Game Engine Tier List

Game Engine Tier List
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[@nocultist7050]

It's hard to make a bad game with Source because it's hard to make a game with Source without being Valve.

[@stickguy9109]

Based

[@vibaj16]

and Valve makes great games every few decades

[@michaelzomsuv3631]

Yeah, I know this video isn't very serious, but for real it belongs in F tier.

[@MaxIronsThird]

Well, Titanfall and Apex are on Source.

[@gururu1286]

Titanfall 2 and apex are not valve

[@mkks4559]

The s in Source stands for S tier.

[@theseangle]

Scratch in S also stands for Scratch tier

[@TonyMenCraft]

Ource

[@kiewass]

I literally said it before he did it. lol

[@hodayfa000h]

@@theseangle scratch isn't even a game engine it is ass

[@flow185]

@@hodayfa000h blasphemy

[@sherlockbarelock7169]

"never seen a bad game made in source" Hunt down the freeman: Hello there

[@NPLighter]

Postal 3 as well

[@z4pp820]

doesn't count, hunt down the freeman can't be classified as a game

[@arjix8738]

@Professional Idiot integer overflow be like

[@ThisIsGlitch]

postal 3 💀

[@ThisIsGlitch]

@Boozer its not a mod... its a game

[@NathanOnline]

I love how it jumps from b tier to f tier

[@scattagain]

What What jumps from b tier to f tier

[@vibaj16]

@@recker7017 no it isn't

[@brwed]

i love how i also see you n8 and axolotl in polymers comment sections it is pure gold

[@dugtrioramen]

@@scattagain as in the first game is a pretty decent engine followed by a horrible engine

[@piicoooooo]

@@scattagain only joe will know...

[@rios7744]

not putting unreal in c++ tier was a huge miss bestie

[@The_Harsh_Truth]

more like SSS tier

[@EdKolis]

Unity could be in C# tier, then.

[@EHMM]

@@The_Harsh_Truth no

[@LessThanPeachy]

I wish I knew c++ so I could utilize all of UE. I know quite a bit in other more top level languages like python, lua, and Java, just not c++. I’m sure if I tried learning it I’d pick it up pretty quick, but yeah.

[@hingedevoper69]

@@The_Harsh_Truth sss: shitty shitass shit tier

[@KANJICODER]

Any time a company goes public that means "Liquidating the company and squeezing all the money out of it".

[@darrennew8211]

"Let's turn the well-deserved reputation into cash!" It happens almost always whenever the founder leaves a company, unless the company is a *pure* money play (Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc)

[@suspenceful7426]

Scratch is responsible for my love of gamedev. I remember it being a huge craze at school when they added it to the library computers. I remember little game jams with my friends etc. good times. Now here I am 10 years later using Godot.

[@subi-dev]

Yeah, as much shit as scratch gets for being low-quality, I think it really is a great tool to inspire kids to gamedev. I also started with scratch in like 3rd grade. I made the most god-awful projects imaginable, but I loved doing it, and here I am today, also using godot.

[@giuseppetomassi5546]

@@subi-dev is godot better than unity for 2d games?

[@subi-dev]

@@giuseppetomassi5546 personally, I think so, mainly because of the node stricture, but I think you really just have to download and try both in order to see which one you like better, although if you don’t want to do that, godot would be (in my opinion) the most reliable option for a first choice, and for experienced game developers (I’m still only a novice at best), I’ve heard that it depends on the game itself and that godot’s better at some things and unity’s better at other things

[@giuseppetomassi5546]

@@subi-dev thanks, i will try both, starting with godot, if i feel comfortable i'll continue with that, btw godot 4 seems promising

[@megaloex2904]

I started using scratch creating an Sonic game Now i'm making a earthbound ripoff in GMS. It's beautiful

[@souporwormgaming]

As a Construct 3 dev, I can confirm that it is ridiculously fast to make small games in it, but longer games probably take a bit longer than most engines and I have no clue how the frick Vimlark makes the games that polished.

[@AngelShrimpChips]

Vimlark is the GOAT of game jams

[@sawsbone7303]

construct 3 is amazing

[@TGameDev]

He's got a small farm of goats he maintains so he can sacrifice one comfortably every game jam.

[@Lasmelan]

Construct is awesome for quick results! It's not too limited for 2D either, the only reason I moved towards Godot was because the project I'm working on needs strong optimization, but outside of that Construct works just fine even for bigger projects.

[@lilrockstar77]

@@Lasmelan I just found this out the hard way. I have what’s probably a project that is too large for construct 3 and probably need to Learn godot

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

"I don't think I've ever seen a bad game in Source" Hard to make a bad game when you have to know how to write code in C++ to even _try_ to do anything with it

[@generic6099]

it's a natural way of keeping the standards high, gatekeeping by unintentional design. and that's a great thing, you'll never convince me otherwise when so many modern games nowadays utilize the latest and greatest tech via UE or Unity yet fail to realize that games are meant to be played, not stared at.

[@zackwumpus9364]

You can start by making maps in hammer. use its scripting language. if your own gmod it has lua integration for servers.

[@djjimmaster8261]

GameMaker will always have a place in my heart. My programming life started as a kid learning BBC Basic for Windows, but Gamemaker is really what started my love of programming. So many hours spent creating passion projects that are unfortunately lost to time. 10 years later and I am a professional game programmer now. GameMaker defined the course of my life and, while limited in what it can do, I will be forever grateful to it.

[@artcorbeau]

you like BBC?

[@itameio6161]

same. Gamemaker presented me to the programming world. Started using it like in 2009 or something. I'm now a freelance webdev, I still play with it from time to time.

[@gamechannel1271]

I grew up with game maker as well. But I quickly grew jaded of it in the GM Studio 1.x days. It was becoming increasingly apparent that I was developing on a platform that wouldn't exist years from now. The regular online license validation requirement made me extremely uneasy. I never looked back after switching to Godot.

[@SurnameName]

@@gamechannel1271 yeah. this. not only is the constant license validation a problem that will make it unusable once the validation system goes down (they did provide an offline validator 8 years ago or so but that's sadly no longer available), but gamemaker games have always had serious compatibility issues with different versions of windows (this has gotten somewhat better in the studio era, but still). what finally killed it for me, though, is the switch to a subscription model

[@TeppuTeppu]

@@SurnameName like, even unity has an offline validator

[@extrem780]

Ngl I was expecting scratch to be lower, not because I think it should be lower (I've literally been using it for 5 years lol) but because overall a lot of people overlook it as being a crappy language for like 7 year olds. You are one of the few devs who actually looks at it and doesn't say "Ew scratch" Respect ✌

[@DigitalCanineGamesStuff]

to be fair scratch isn't really meant for game development...

[@Vexxel256]

@@DigitalCanineGamesStuff bro what are you on?

[@Vexxel256]

@@DigitalCanineGamesStuff scratch was literally made for game development

[@DigitalCanineGamesStuff]

@@Vexxel256 Scratch is NOT meant for game devlopment it's meant to teach kids how to code through visual scripting...

[@extrem780]

@@DigitalCanineGamesStuff I see your point, but technically it's still a game engine so...

[@HiIExist-y6o]

Scratch is sometimes underrated. But I actually think it is impressive how with simple rules you could make many good games. Even 3d games

[@vibaj16]

scratch isn't so much a game engine as it is a kid-friendly programming language with a couple game engine aspects (e.g., sprites)

[@Tricke432_YT]

@@vibaj16 it is a game engine since you can make games with it duh

[@vibaj16]

@@Tricke432_YT I didn't say it's not a game engine. I said it's closer to a programming language than to a game engine

[@Tricke432_YT]

@@vibaj16 you literally said "scratch is not much of a game engine"

[@vibaj16]

@@Tricke432_YT no, I didn't. I said "scratch isn't so much a game engine..."

[@Cuprite1024]

Respect for the RPG Maker placement. :)

[@pessskychaos4874]

Scratch is basically what introduced me to the world of coding, and it was probably the best introduction anyone could ask for

[@starrymohannad]

for me it was blender game engine yes blender had a fucking game engine and it was great

[@pessskychaos4874]

@@starrymohannad wait what

[@Seraj2336]

@@pessskychaos4874 Yea I also started with Scratch and it's still awesome because it is by MIT

[@floatingtablestudios6287]

As a construct dev, the programming is very limited, but it's minimal coding and built-in graphics creation make it *very* attractive to artists. It's the gamedev platform for people who hate to code. It is kinda limited, and really really big games tend to break, but if you want to get into jams it's incredible. Price is a bit annoying but they have a semi-crappy free version that's cool if you just wanna try it out.

[@sawsbone7303]

they do have non block scripting in construct for more complex stuff. i enjoy the process of figuring things out with code but as a visual learner construct is just so awesome. theres some big games out made with construct primarily using the block code

[@kartmakerbrosu1053]

“I’ve actually never seen a bad game made with source” *Shows Source 2* Source: 😐 Source 2: I see this as an absolute win.

[@JacobKinsley]

I'd love to see someone who's spent a total of about 1000 hours in each engine make a list of which engines are best for long term. I think it would totally shock everyone.

[@astrahcat1212]

RPG Maker in S tier. I completely agree. I don’t use it anymore myself, but people take for granted just how amazing that piece of software is.

[@laong44]

There are many other interesting game engines you forgot to mention and which ,at least, deserve a quick look: O3DE, Flax, Stride, Cocos, Defold, Bevy...

[@scarm_rune]

rust is a joke

[@stickguy9109]

@@scarm_rune Agreed

[@ioneocla6577]

@@scarm_rune why ?

[@ioneocla6577]

O3de is mostly just lumberyard

[@terryriley6410]

@@scarm_rune In theory, Rust fills a niche that was pretty much vacuum before, that is to have a low level lang without GC but without the myriad of ways your program can go wrong. In practice, there's already good software made with rust. Your assesment about rust being a joke is thereby declared false until you provide more (or any) evidence.

[@XorDev]

In my opinion, GameMaker deserves better. It's not called "GameMaker Studio 2" anymore and hasn't used that logo in years. Make sure to form an up-to-date opinion!

[@aquaponieee]

it now is a subscription based service and that heavily nerfs it

[@XorDev]

@@aquaponieee True, but it's cheaper than every other paid engine I looked at

[@aquaponieee]

@@XorDev not the point

[@XorDev]

@@aquaponieee It is important when comparing game engines GM goes for as little as $50/yr, Construct 3 is $120/yr, Unity Plus is $400/yr.

[@PaulPlay]

Buildbox is super expensive and their revenue share is hilarious - also, you can basically only work with templates and can't compeletely make your own thing

[@pranavchaudhari5828]

To be very honest, I haven't heard much about the softwares that you have listed the 'S' Tier. But I'll put Unreal engine in the 'S' and Unity in the 'A' tier.

[@dolxx42]

I cant believe you forgot Microwave! I make incredible games with my microwave and he even makes popcorn for free!

[@KaelumKrispr]

Can't believe you missed blender game engine 😔

[@BungieStudios]

*🔫 delet this* 😱

[@xalix77]

*mineirinho intensifies*

[@noireel5977]

i love godot, it's easy to use. the only downside is that there are very few tutorials available.

[@davidsnyder518]

I can't believe you've been sponsored by Core in the past and didn't put it in the list.

[@Speed-TV]

"Unity is the best engine for starting out" Scratch, Godot, Gdevelop: Am I a joke to you?

[@gingerphoenix10]

I am so happy you put source in S tier

[@barbarianbarbara981]

Dragon Nest who's still using engine from 90s yet still have the best pvp combat until these days makes me so proud

[@MiningJack777]

2:35 (HDTF) "May I introduce myself?"

[@scrungly_hank]

in love with godot and i mostly agree with your tier list

[@baddev2720]

Funfact: One easy alternative and powerful engine of construct 3 is GDevelop. You should try it

[@savalioanananimus]

Me: “Scratch is definitely F” Also polymars: “S” **drags scratch to S**

[@lksxxtodin5292]

Everything that I know about programming I learned in Game Maker, It's easy and not limited. The community of GM is amazing and full of awelsome people.

[@willem6161]

Game Maker is a great engine, but to say its not limited is simply incorrect.

[@SurmenianSoldier]

@@willem6161 how so? so far i've been able to do everything i wanted in it

[@futuregamer25]

@@SurmenianSoldier For one the only supported language is GML which is very much on the slow side and is a tad low on features, 3d is nearly non-existent, no built in lighting engine, incredibly limited physics engine, ordering of object code is done with separate events where there is no ability to create your own, and a lot of smaller things like the camera being locked to the pixel grid (literally no fix for this) The engine is incredible for most things 2d, but it gets limited when you start trying to do things more advanced

[@yigitbulut4972]

Lol gm was my first game engine when i was 12 used it for two years and it is awesome for 2d sprite games for people who want to make games but keep it simple, yes you can do a lot more like 3d which is a lot harder with so much limitation but the cost of going beyond and above is high.It has a different atmosphere and its awesome, so comparing it with others are not really needed since their goals,methods and users and gms goal and methods and users are so much different.

[@Livonade]

Agreed

[@the_procrastinator8606]

3:10 construct is strictly good for that kind of games tho. as a previous user of it for over 2 years, I can def that if you scale your game even a little bit over that size, the foundations will absolutely crumble - in comparison to what you could do in the likes of godot and unity, at the very least (modular components, hierarchy, scene templates, performance, effects, data manipulation, etc) it is absolutely blazing fast for jams tho, since you generally wont care about any of the scalability features above

[@BruceOnder]

You need a G tier for Gdvelop

[@DoorknobPlus]

"I have never seen a bad game made with source" May I introduce you to Hunt Down the Freeman?

[@candjim]

PolyMars: this is every game engine GameMaker Studio: Am I a joke to you? PolyMars: *y e s*

[@SleepyDrone6402]

I was surprised to see scratch in S-tier because it’s so simple, but it makes sense because it’s so simple.

[@aggressivedriver9109]

I've read this a while ago about CryEngine. "the problem with CryEngine is that no one uses CryEngine"

[@Speed-TV]

This dude really forgot the desmos graphing calculator, like c'mon man 🤦‍♂

[@DevinSAA]

As a Unity developer, and knowing what bad things Unity’s been doing nowadays, it seems hard to switch engines considering Unity is what I’m extremely used to. That’s obvious, considering the only full game I’ve released is made with Unity. I’ve made many others in the past, but they weren’t as good/finished as that game. Maybe continuing to take a break from game development is a good idea, but I still gotta get used to another engine other than Scratch.

[@kulak8548]

Try Godot for three days and you probably won't turn back. I was using Unity and tried out Godot on a whim, realized the engine is awesome. With 4.0 it's really going to blow up, so now is a great time to start learning it. There are still some drawbacks but the engine developers actually understand and care about the updates users want, unlike Unity that is a black hole.

[@mgmgmg07]

Unreal engine is unity for children (jk please don't cancel me, it's humor)

[@prezadent1]

Humor? I think you have failed at whatever it was.

[@audellaroque4730]

"Please don't cancel me" Who is going to cancel you over this nonsensical joke that makes no sense

[@paradoxaddict8978]

I think you forgot Clauswitz engine

[@LitoMike]

3:33 finally some appreciation

[@DinoMax0112]

As someone who has spent 4000 hours making things with source I approve of this message.

[@ziggyzoggin]

he put scratch over godot lol

[@infamousphazer]

What about roblox studio? Despite roblox itself having a reputation the engine itself can make some pretty great games if your good enough with free and easy access to pretty good servers

[@agoldendragon]

How did he put Unity only in third place? Once the graphics in the engine were really not that good, but since they released the update of the pipelines everything is perfect in the graphics!

[@Gordoxgrey]

The core engine is an absolute pain in the ass to work with since it's so light on core features, and the additional features (packages) are always in experimental stage. Can't even load up older version project because they're not compatible with the new pipelines and upgrading them with the built in pipeline tools doesn't even work correctly.

[@agoldendragon]

@@Gordoxgrey The engine is very good and simple to learn, with it I reached a level of intuitiveness that with Unreal I could only dream of, and in the last update unity released more than fifteen (!) packages from experimental use to version 1.0

[@Gordoxgrey]

@@agoldendragon Unity is easy to use for Small projects and indie titles. When it comes to bigger games and bigger team sizes and trying to do anything outside Unity's core, its an absolute nightmare to deal with.

[@agoldendragon]

@@Gordoxgrey On what basis do you say that? I worked in a team of over 500 people and unity worked great.

[@Gordoxgrey]

@@agoldendragon Observations in the community, complaints from friends who use unity in a large team, and grievances from Devs who worked on some big titles

[@erinlane1769]

I recently found a smaller game engine being developed called MicroStudio that is fantastic for people who are new to making games, and even for more advanced users. It's like LOVE2D but with a simple game engine interface and can use Lua, Python, JavaScript, and its own language MicroScript which is very Lua-like.

[@Floky]

How dare you put the GLORIOUS unreal engine in only B tier!? Absolutely unacceptable... I can't believe this.

[@lpnp9477]

It definitely has its limitations. Ones that can be worked around, but try to make a character run around a loop like Sonic. You will spend weeks making it work. It's amazing for most stuff though and is my engine of choice.

[@GreedyDrunk92]

I am now convinced, that you're a time traveler

[@NichtDu]

You forgot microsoft word Tbh macros are soo polished and the syntax highliting is so good that its easily the best ide and game engind at the same time

[@petersmythe6462]

From a developer point of view I really don't want to use source. There is a lack of flexibility that is much more typical of an early era of game dev.

[@shanewaslost4283]

technically, the scratch logo (i.e. the shortcut for the exe on a regulat desktop from 1.0-2.0/2007-2018) was just the scratch cat head, so the entire scratch cat sprite would be uneeded. P.S. this is only about the pre-3.0 logo, it was changed to a code block with the scratch font "s" in janurary 2019

[@Scudmaster11]

Scratch instantly S... thats great because it really is a great language and engine... just waiting for the day the 3D version comes out.... for I cant really pull of 3D vary easily .... but the language is good for starting out... it's easy to understand.... has basically the most functionality over other typeless languages... and more

[@messengercreator]

but sudden scra/tch so Godot is sukuna

[@Scudmaster11]

@messengercreator there is always turbowarp and penguin mod... there is more then you think... also... how about FALSE

[@henrybeat]

Bro took ice cream sandwich fan a little too far

[@ishanimallawarachchi1307]

>Never seen a bad game made in Source. Hunt down the Freeman begs to differ.

[@estranhokonsta]

Every time that in tech one rates things is normally a very bad sign and i usually dismiss it and the people that make it. But in this case you did begin by saying that this list was based on Your Favourite game engine. Which shows sincerity and put that list in a correct context. That immediately gives that list a credibility that those other so called best don't have.

[@uz_zu1699]

That one kid: “HOW ABKUT ROBLOX?”

[@Insill]

Actually Lumberyard is no more, it's known as the Open 3D Engine (O3DE) nowadays.

[@tonyanimations5377]

The thing about srcratch is that it does't only learn you how to code and use a game engine, its also very easy to use but so powerful when we become good at it.

[@vaishanthjv2519]

no it's not powerful

[@stormstudios1]

"it does't only learn you how to code" bro forgot english

[@tonyanimations5377]

​@@stormstudios1 1) I am French. 2) You are not better, you say "bro", that's slang too. 3) You didn't tell me anything incorrect, so thank you very much.

[@tonyanimations5377]

​@@vaishanthjv2519 Just check Griffpatch projects !

[@stormstudios1]

@@tonyanimations5377 uh whats wrong with slang? also instead of "it does't only learn you how to code" it should be "it doesn't only teach you how to code" not learn

[@VFOXGAMING.]

ItsMagicGameEngine: I know I suck to the bone

[@KingThrillgore]

I think giving Source the S tier is a bit too much because we haven't even SEEN a Source 2 release, just Workshop tools.

[@kk5dire]

Half life Alex and S&Box moment

[@RaijdanProductions]

I know Roblox isn't really a game engine, but I've seen some insane stuff done with it

[@snappyink2909]

Where would you put pygame?

[@melo-7904]

ID tech 1(the doom engine): easy S teir notes runs on a fxxking calculator, limited to dos if you don't use source ports, use gzdoom if you want more complicated stuff and not simple changes, people still make (full) games on this now almost 30 year old engine (shrine/shrine 2/ Lycanthorn, sonic robo blast 2, freedoom.wad etc) The wolfenstien 3D engine (i call it the wolfen engine) C teir notes use the rise of the triad engine, less ports then doom (which is surprising since wolf3D is not only older but more basic), needs heavy modification to work properly with new music (even midi) games that use it: wolfenstein 3D, wolfenstein spear of Destiny, shadow caster, Blake stone, rise of the triad (modified enough for me to distinguish the 2 here but they are the same engine none the less) rise of the triad engine (I call it the triad engine) A teir direct update to the wolfen engine cursed with only about 5 source ports and like 2 that add stuff (not including the new ludicrous edition) games that use it: rise of the triad

[@_EverLade]

you forgot Stencyl (although that game engine is forgotten, you should rate it)

[@bitbreaker_creator]

2:34 hunt down the freeman has entered the chat

[@tragicreeze]

"These are the only game engines... in the world" Love2D: Am I a joke to you? Also I know this is probably a joke, so don't be mad about it.

[@user-uk9er5vw4c]

did you really put unreal below other engines?

[@kulak8548]

Godot users like myself are rooting for Godot to be the Unity killer. Realistically it probably won't happen that way, but it sure would be satisfying to see an open source engine outpace a multi-billion dollar company, and wildly enough it feels within reach.

[@armandostockvideos8386]

Bro, I'm learning Unity :( I hope nothing kill it :(

[@hunnitroundheath7456]

Godot will pass Unity for sure, Unity is on the way out, it's just a matter of how long it lasts

[@hotlinefrenzy]

This is the very hypothesis stereotype from a typical "solo dev making game engine from 0 by using notepad" king of guy

[@rex_melynas]

Speaking about source, Davey Wrede on The beginner's Guide (a good game, made in source, if you enjoy walking simulators) said source is a game in which is easy to make third person games consisting in rectangular rooms connected, and nothing else. The stanley parable was also made in source, but moved to unity for the deluxe edition, mostly because it's easier to port to multiple consoles.

[@iceypumpkinhead]

"amazon lumberyard" amazon what now?

[@masxe4106]

Hello, construct-using dev here, 1. Construct 2, though lacks a couple features (wich can easily be recreated in construct 2 anyways), is free 2. We aren't wizards, vimlark's a wizard I have no idea how he adds so much polish 3. The scripting restrains though exist aren't usually as bad as you'd expect because they can be overcome in around an hour

[@HelmutKohlrabi]

Unity actually doubled it's working force from 2020 to 2021 but recently layed off about 200 people.

[@stufco]

I would definitely drop Gamemaker lower. I started on it thinking it was easy and made several apps, seemed cool, but in retrospect the ide was pretty rough and not improved by gm studio 2. What really killed it for me though was the community management. Basic questions would get downvoted as though it wasn’t marketed to total beginners and so often the first response was essentially “RTFM.” It was super lame and sad, and now I’ve got several apps in limbo cause the IDE makes me feel some kinda way

[@trustycrusty1773]

Unity's great, but I'm so sick of seeing every modern game built in it. I miss the days when action platformers each felt unique

[@R6Roblox]

love how this is missing a bunch of game engines

[@ponesicek]

Where goldsource, the ultimate game engine?

[@wiiu7640]

How in the world do you put scratch in S tier? It's not even a game engine, it's a modular programming language.

[@cyanuranus6456]

My Favorite Game Engines are The 3D Ones. Like Godot, GameMaker Studio, LWJGL, And More. I Chose Godot Because in Wikipedia. It Was False Godot Game Engine is Created in C++. Godot Game Engine is Created in C#. And More. I Love Flare3D Game Engine

[@xalix77]

As a Construct2 developer, that tries to break the engine limitations, i can say that description is perfect

[@gabxvyan]

"I have never seen a bad game made on Source" Half-Life Source: am I a joke to you?

[@vibaj16]

well, he said "Source", but the icon was Source 2, so it wasn't made in the engine he was rating

[@BungieStudios]

@@vibaj16 Does Source 2 even have water yet?

[@vibaj16]

@@BungieStudios probably, idk

[@brenday_da_bababoei_cat]

@@BungieStudios it was recently added with s&box, about uh... 5 or 3 months ago?

[@BungieStudios]

@@brenday_da_bababoei_cat About time. I don't understand why Valve has Facepunch building on it. That means unreliable support.

[@Badtoimz]

You forgot such "amazing: game engines such as ogre, and off brand rpg maker engines

[@TeppuTeppu]

The concept of "unity not being good at anything" is pretty common in youtube, but saying godot has better 2d than unity is a huge overstatement. Unity has been in development for many years and the toolset is huge. I do believe it would have a lot more depth than a fairly new game engine, even if it is only in 2d.

[@MacronLacrom]

Scratch isn’t a game engine; but you can make an engine with scratch

[@sdhority]

Unity fires 4% of their staff, primarily devs working on a dropped open source project "fired half their employees" lul

[@petersmythe6462]

"Scratch" Oh this is easily one of the worst for anything complex. The performance isn't even that bad anymore if you port to turbowarp, but the developers seem to insist on things that make it either cumbersome or just plane debilitated in the name is education and security. 1. Scratch is terrible for Data Structures. 2. Scratch has read-only Strings. 3. Scratch has no good way of creating a new variable/list. Some asinine construct of custom blocks doesn't count. 4. Functions in Scratch are pass by value and void return type. 5. Lists are limited to 200k in length. 6. File i/o is limited to manual list export/import. There is no way to do automatic file i/o. 7. There is no way to skew or stretch a texture in the current version of Scratch, which means that easily stamp-filling triangles for 3D rendering isn't an option. 8. Cloud variable limitations are highly problematic for any serious use case. Overall, Scratch is cool but I really hate the limitations it imposes on you. Definitely the kind of environment that forces you to work around its eccentricities rather than giving you the tools you need to do what you want.

[@SyncronedStuff]

And what is with Geometry Dash? Best game engine possible

[@jimmy999S]

Godot deserves S tier. Why? Because it's FOSS, you don't have to pay a dime, you can see the engine's source code and even contribute to it.

[@Lucifer_ZC]

I mean.. Unreal Engine was supposed to be at the S tier. It does everything.

[@Thesupperals]

Game developer here. I have used all of these engines. Unity and Unreal will always be in competition because Graphics and morons mix easily. The majority of Unreal games are first person based and Unity is user friendly. Godot will always beat out the competition due to zero licensing fees. Source (and source 2) are designed by valve who isn't financially available to the public. Buildbox is the best tool if you are not going to code- it is not only for phones. Amazon lumberyard is based on CryEngine which is out of date, but is the friendliest crossplatform provider you can find for online usage. Game maker studio is strictly 2D and teaches the basic fundamentals, how much work and dedication you will need, as well as how crucial specialized tools are from the start. Construct 3 does the same thing as game maker studio and Build box with added extras. RPG Tsukūru is a simplistic 2d pixel engine purely for RPG elements, long stories and phase based gameplay. Scratch is barely even a game engine, but it is designed for those in elementary school if one is interested. This tier list is trash due to biases, poor comparisons and possibly having no experience using them. If you did, you would understand that you can only contrast so much when using potatoes to solar systems in your examples.

[@moneodev]

Not biased at all here

[@BlazeTheCatMan]

did his nephew really create the Godot engine logo!??

[@jackygemme863]

Wait until he finds scratchJR.

[@linuxrant]

I'd add GDevelop in A or even S tier. That inconspicuous little engine is a beast.

[@digitalpotato4867]

Godot exports to linux phones and eg350 families with comunity devs. It's a platform that include more platforms. It is an obligated S tier.

[@zackakai5173]

I adore the Source Engine to death, I just wish it was a little easier to work with. The in-engine geometry tools still kick the shit out of Unreal's though.

[@ThisIsGlitch]

i hope you're not talking bout Hammer

[@ajarynn593]

@@ThisIsGlitch Source 2

[@twinnie5393]

@@ThisIsGlitch even in hammer its much easier to get a level down lol, unreal is honestly a mess in that regard

[@ThisIsGlitch]

@@twinnie5393 part of me agrees and part of me screams no, I've used both and... idk, hammer is quirky, buggy and inefficient, unreal objectively better in every regard, but i cant bring myself to like unreal's level editor