Game On AM4, But Facing Frame Drops? Here’s Why and How to Fix It!

[@draebo]

This is interesting though. Makes me wonder if my 10600K is bottlenecking my non XT 6700. I feel like I'm not getting the 1080p performance I deserve on apex 🤔

[@Alex-ii5pm]

The best way to find out is to use MSI afterburner, if you see 99% GPU usage you are not CPU bottlenecked.

[@draebo]

@@Alex-ii5pm I'm definitely gonna do that. Good suggestion

[@AeiKei]

I think you are at the limit of bottlenecking, for context I gained around 10-20 fps after upgrading from a i7 5930k (similar to an i5 10400) to an Ryzen 7 5800X with an RX6700 XT. Mind the Ryzen has PCI-E 4.0 and supports SAM wich brings some boosts so this might explain it rather than anything

[@GhostAcez]

My Ryzen 5 2600 has been bottlenecking my RX 6600 in some games really hard, like in Elden Ring.

[@GhostAcez]

@45eno You know? That is actually probably causing the bottleneck more than the cpu itself tbh. I didn't think of that. I'm considering upgrading at some point soon, but it's fine for now it's just not as good as it should be.

[@rendonwade1130]

I had a 3090 and a 3900x, and upgraded to a 4080 (I know terrible card) and didn't see any updates. But upgraded to a 5800x3d and boy that fixed it. 3900x even with the more cores was holding that card back big time. I was getting half the frames from the 3900x vs 5800x3d

[@mariobastidas3102]

I went from 3700x to 5800x3d with my 3080 and boy was there a big change!

[@MrSunglxzz]

went from a 1700 to a 5700x on a gtx 1080, this card was finally able to unlock its final form.

[@Hypershell]

Wow, 5950X is still going for $500? I paid that in April of 2022 and I thought it was a splurge even back then. If you shop eBay aggressively, you can find a 5800X3D for $320, and I even spotted one for just over $280. I don't think that's unreasonable for a "middle" upgrade path; 5700X is minimum and 7800X3D is all-out (mobo, ram, paste, possible adapter, a lot more labor, it adds up). All three are valid options.

[@austininmedford]

I disagree with Tech on this one, I would stay on AM4 and either get the 5900x or the 5800X3D

[@bullyakker]

$320 for a 5800x3d or hit up a microcenter and grab a 7800x3d, motherboard and 32G ram for $469 or a 7700x bundle for $399

[@Xilent1]

@@bullyakker The problem is everyone like me don't live by one. I'm 2 hours away. Don't mind the drive. 5800x3d performs similarly to the 7700x so it should last just as long. Now if you're gaming on a 4090/7900xtx etc then you shouldn't care about buying a 7700x. I sound like TechDeals now, but I'm aiming for the 5800x3d as I have a 3700x and experience what is talked about. Optimizing Win10, GPU and CPU does help, but don't get rid of all stutters 😑

[@austininmedford]

@@bullyakker yep also reasonable depending on their budget

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@Xilent1No it doesn’t get off the strong drugs your clearly on. Clearly most games don’t all benefit from v cache and when they don’t the 5800x3d is worse than the 5700x.

[@AeiKei]

5900X is overkill for gaming just because it's 2 CCD's instead of one. I was asking myself if I should upgrade from 5800X to 5900X and came to the coclusion that I should put that money towards a 7800XT instead because the difference between a 5800X and 5900X is at most 3-4 fps in games

[@MH-zk7hc]

My vote: 5700X for a minimalist solution. With that it's a somewhat balanced system, that he'll get quite some years out of, if he manages his expectations. And when that one is EOL for him, he should build a completely new and well balanced system. Everything else seems like a waste in terms of gaming performance in the meantime, from what we know about the use case.

[@whysoseeryus3053]

x3d with 4070ti is only real logical solution without changing platform and will last quite some time.

[@Snafu2346]

I ended up getting a 7800X3D I got at Microcenter in Houston for $339. I have yet to fully put it together, been busy at work, I just spend a few minutes putting it slowly together day by day.

[@bullyakker]

7800x3d, mobo and 32G ram @ microcenter for $469

[@Snafu2346]

@@bullyakker yeah I saw the bundle, its okay. The Ram is fine, but I hear very 50/50 on the Mobo. But I was doing a white themed build this time around. I know, cheesy. 9 out of 10 other times I would have just taken the bundle. I've always just done black builds but this time around I was doing white. so I went with a white/silver/black mobo, and white gskill ram.

[@MAR-jq7co]

Went from 3700x to 5900x, well worth it

[@InnoSZN]

Enjoy that cpu :)

[@Alex-ii5pm]

If you are gaming only the amd 8 core CPUs are better. 8 cores on a single ccx opposed to a 2 six core ccx. If your game uses more than 6 cores you will notice increased latency and stutters due to this, its also known as the AMDip.

[@lucifernikral5567]

@@Alex-ii5pm I’d still take the 4 more cores better boost clock too

[@curtismariani6303]

I like the advice, just going up one generation is not really a wow upgrade. Having said that as you say it’s a cheap upgrade to a 5700x. The problem with prebuilt especially here in the uk is they often bundle with poor psu’s and other components so big upgrades aren’t straightforward. His friend could try doing a completely clean install of window first, with making sure the right power plan settings are enabled. AMD does have a power management quirk which can cause dips. I run a 5800x3d (agree too expensive to justify now) with a 4090 3440x1440 and it keeps up fine in Warzone. I cap it at my monitors 175hz refresh rate anyway and it is very smooth other games like Alan Wake 2 and Starfield run without issue either. Anyway my point is, I recently had to do a fresh windows install after iCue completely broke, installed all my programs as before. I ran the usual benchmarks to check everything was working okay and got a noticeable improvement in all fps measures after 3 runs. I wasn’t expecting it, but I hadn’t carried out a fresh install of windows after replacing my 3090 as I had only done one a few months prior. Anyway couldn’t believe the difference. Just a thought

[@maxstueven1965]

This is why I went from 3700x to 5900x when they were realeased. I am still very happy with my 5900x.

[@DraughanTV]

"Let's spend 900$ on a gpu and cheap out on the cpu without upgrade"

[@goldenheartOh]

You don't know until you do. It depends on the game too. Maybe he was looking at the wrong benchmarks.

[@benchvirgin4243]

Got my 5950X three years ago , still love it , my 4090 is the work horse at 4K .

[@benjihutch24]

Since watching Tech I'm always holding out for the WOW upgrade instead of the incremental.

[@blkspade23]

I don't get the treating the cost of a board and DDR5 as insignificant. The 5800X3D is still punching well above it's weight and would be great for someone with a decent AM4 board. If on a 300 series board, yeah maybe do a full upgrade. Its a toss up on a 400 series, but B550/X570 he might as well keep.

[@hinchlikescake7592]

I'd bet most people still on AM4 are on a lower budget and have a older generation GPU. Some would just rather spend $300 rather than $500 on a new build and having to go through and rebuild their PC. Which is way more of legwork than just swapping out a CPU for another. For maybe 10-20% more performance but only if they have a 4080 or 90. On games that aren't GPU bound. 5800X3D's also hold their value well because they're still decent for gaming and are best in slot of AM4. Alternatively there's the 5600X3D and soon 5700X3D for those on a budget that shouldn't be too far behind for gaming for less money.

[@davidcole2337]

Running Ryzen 5800x3d with RTX 4070Ti and most games have zero issue running over 60 FPS at 1440P.

[@azjeep26]

just because he had the money for 4070 ti money doesn't mean he has endless supply of money. I suggest giving him plan #2 buy the 58003d I read that amd might be keeping am4 around for awhile. yes i seen the point about going to am5 but that only works if cash in hand . motherboard cpu ram is not cheap. unless he can use tax money next month

[@whiskyGerman]

thank you, now im feeling good with my 3070ti and r5 5600, but upgrading to AM5 instead of a r7 5700x makes more sense.

[@Wollmütze-l5w]

In one tower I have the 5700G and in the other one the 5900X. I do not see any of those bottlenecked by Enlisted as the only game I play. Unrestricted, the 5700G is used up to 30% paired with the RX 6600 and the 5900X is used to about 20% with the RX 6750 XT both the same game (Enlisted) and settings on High. The most important is the newer design (Zen 3 vs Zen 2) like he said already 1 single die versus in Zen 2 2 x 4 core dies connected with separated memory and specially the core count. Go allways for an higher core count if you can. I could not justify the 450$ price for the 5950X so I went for the 5900X for 342$ at that time (now that is priced at 288$ at amazon). But I chose to have more cores which makes the whole CPU much more faster while let's say loading Enlisted. Otherwise the 5900X has not any speed advantages which matters over the 5700G except in things like running the antivirus on Windows which takes half the time. If you have the money go for the 16 cores of the 5950X and then for the 12 core 5900X over an existing 8 core even an X3D model. More core is preferrable than X3D - I woul;d say even in gaming. Since the 64 MB cache of the 5900X does not make any single difference in fps compared to the 16 MB of cache of the 5700G. Then it is Enlisted which is an hardware friendly game. For AM4 I am happy with the 5900X since even this one is hard to cool with an air cooler. How will you maintain low your noise on the case and PSU fans with an 5950X? I had issues with my case fans and PSU fan running all the time high with stock settings of the 5900X (the case is an allmost open air flow case so no air restrictions) so I had to undervolt and temp limit the CPU to 70 Celsius and 0.1 V and change the PSU fan and connect it to the motherboard in order to quiet things down. The noise just was unbearable even with the 5900X. Think about that as well. I bet the case fans will be running allways with the 5950X since 16 cores want to be cooled down. And on top of that the PSU fan running constantly on medium to high.

[@Jason-ol1ty]

I turned the settings all the way up and haven't noticed a single frame drop while playing solitaire.

[@antho2935]

Bought my 5800x3d last year this time at $329. Lowest ive seen this year is like $322. Insane it's near the same cost after a full year.

[@Bdot888]

I went from a 3600x and 4070ti to a 5700x and at 1440p my %1 lows and averages went up and every game runs smoothly! Cant go wrong with a 5700x

[@NGreedia]

Unless the 5800x3d has a massive price cut, I'll be bypassing it from my 5600 which still runs games fine to AM5 as even now a cpu, board, ram bundle costs slightly more than the 5800x3d alone. Doubt the 5500x3d or 5700x3d will be priced competitively either.

[@ElladanKenet]

In 2020, when I was shopping for my current rig, most of the stuff I was looking at kept screaming to me that "6 cores is all you need" and "8 cores is pointless." Boy, am I glad I got a 3700X instead of a 3600X. Because there are absolutely games I play today, that I wasn't playing then, that make use of those extra cores and threads. Part of me wonders if I should've gone for the 3900X, but I truly believe the extra money there would've been a waste, or at least, I would've gotten a lot less value for it. I'd have been tempted to wait 5 or 6 years before doing any upgrading, and to be frank, I shudder at the thought. A 3900X might still be, uh, okay in 3 more years, but on a per core basis, there's a lot better now, and nothing I do quite needs all of that. And if I was sitting on my GPU for another 3 years, I can promise that my 3060ti, which is already starting to need settings tweaking at 1080p, would be in hot water by 2026 So, I'm at peace with my decision, and comfortable with the fact I'll be doing a new rig build a year from now.

[@elvertmack5039]

Microcenter combos depending where you live. Amd 7900x with motherboard and 64gb ddr5 ram....600 bucks.

[@armyraw29]

ya my 2700x in world of tanks does the same thing basically choppy often and chokes pretty much every time i click or do somthing despite 100fps or 60+

[@TheGriefmaker]

I had a 2700x on a X470 board and have had similar problems with World Of Warships to you. I upgraded to a 5800X3D and it is like night and day, smooth as butter.

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

Don't knock upgrading your thermal paste. You can get at least another 10-20fps with a thermal paste upgrade. I upgraded to 6000 m/t 32gb of thermal paste and it did wonders.

[@darthdadious6142]

Not everyone can just drop a wad of cash on a new mb, ram, and cpu. If he wants to get rid of stutter, and doesn't have a ton of cash (most people), get the 5600x3d or 5700x/5800x(3d).

[@Xilent1]

I agree, but his point is, just pay the extra $100. For some that may be significant, but lets be real, in PC gaming on this level, its not expensive.

[@darthdadious6142]

@@Xilent1 I want to see a motherboard/memory combo for 100

[@blkspade23]

​@@darthdadious6142Yeah a decent B650 board is $150 alone, plus another $90-$120 for a 32GB kit of RAM.

[@kevinrichards1666]

Something to consider is someone's time and effort. Someone might not want to reinstall windows and pull their whole system apart purely for time reasons. In this case considering the video card he has, I would say go 5800x3d if you want to keep the system for a few more years. That chip will always hold some value as it's the best gaming chip on AM4. I would also be okay saving the money and going 5700x.

[@whysoseeryus3053]

honestly at this point slotting anything other than x3d chip in am4 as final upgrade in gaming pc is long term waste of money. (soon allegedly new x3d 5000 series chips are coming)

[@skullcrusherk9795]

Hello recently i bought an RTx 4060 msi gaming x and i paried with my Ryzen 3 3100 16 gb RAM and it stutters on warzone and bf 5. Maybe the stutter is from bottleneck because the cpu is too weak. I don’t know. I tried to Max out the graphic settings to put more stress on the gpu and it worked but it’s not ok. What can i do? Thank you. My mobo-b450m ds3h

[@billthrasher3587]

I bought a Ryzen 7 7700x, B650 pro wifi MB and flare x 6000 ddr5 for $399 bundle at Micro center and i believe the deal is still going

[@glennpatrickdomingo584]

I have a 5600x w/ a 7800xt playing on 1440p, is it worth it upgrading to 5800x3d? Mostly playing esports titles, Monster Hunter Rise and Final Fantasy 7 Remake.

[@exxor9108]

Huh... I was under the impression that the 3700X was just a single die. I didn't know it was two separate ones.

[@bobkluiters2402]

Single die 2 with 2 core complexs

[@brendanlee5302]

I've got a 4070ti with a 5900x (bought second hand £210) on an X370 Gaming K5 mobo with a Arctic Liquid Cooler 2 240mm and stuck a mini noctua fan on the vrms to keep cool. I have to say it's buttery smooth compared to the 5600x lol. No regrets.

[@fransarj]

Wondering if I should change to a 5800x3d from a 5900x on my 3090. Playing AAA ultrawide 1440p😊

[@Xilent1]

I wouldn't do that. Just go AM5 at this point.

[@bullyakker]

Nah! x3d are faster in SOME games. That 5900x is still a dang good chip!

[@FatswellSmart]

the real solution is to be running a custom debloated os and turn off all of the running services you can permanently ideally getting it lower than 100 ish on startup.

[@ToGrimmToWin]

310usd for a 5800x3d am4 CPU upgrade or 415 am5 b650m 7600x 32gb 6000mhz ddr5 kit combo at microcenter seems you may as well go am5

[@kevinmccrea1335]

I always thought the 3700x was a single c c d. And the 36,39,and 3950x were dual ccd

[@Xilent1]

Nope. I get those stutters he's talking about. Though optimizing CPU, GPU and WIN10 does help a TON

[@mattb8135]

Question, would the 3800x make any difference vs. the 3700x? I also have a CyberPowerPC rig from 2020, which I decided to upgrade this black friday. It had a 3800x with a 5700xt GPU. I upgraded to a 6800xt GPU. Unfortunately, they originally included a crappy 600w PSU, so I grabbed a nice A-tier 850w to be safe. Went ahead and took everything apart, cleaned and reapplied thermal paste on the 3800x. The machine is running much much better with the 6800xt, and no more coil wine with a proper power supply. So my question is, have I now bottlenecked the GPU??? Am I missing a ton of frames with the 3800x? I play 1440p always, and mostly RPGs, not FPS or esports titles.

[@bullyakker]

My oldest son went from a 3700x to a 5800x(non 3d) and gained on average 20 fps using a rtx 2070 at 1080p. That's how much that cpu was holding back a 2070. a 3800x wouldn't show much improvement over a 3700x. If you can, get a 5800x non 3d for $190-$200. 3d versions ARE better in some games but also start at $320. At that price, hit microcenter and get a 7800x3d, motherboard and 32G ram bundle for $469

[@ResilientME]

3700x & 3800x are 1FPS difference at best, they are basically the same thing.

[@mattb8135]

Thanks @@bullyakker ! I may just do that.

[@mattb8135]

Thanks @@ResilientME ! I recall Mr. TechDeals saying something probably 2 or 3 years ago about the 3800x actually having better architecture than the 3700x. I can't remember the details exactly...but like you said, might barely make a difference. I like how it performs for the most part...but I probably just don't know any better having nothing newer to compare to. I probably have frame drops and stutters and don't even realize it because I'm used to it....

[@ResilientME]

@@mattb8135 Maybe? I just moved from a 3600 to 5600X3D for Baldur's Gate 3. Its a big difference all around holding more consistent FPS & streaming in textures faster where games have high CPU demand(the city in BG3, populated areas in American Truck Simulator, etc.) Its not noticeable elsewhere to me; even in BeamNG where I'm GPU limited. I don't play system crushing AAA games though.

[@ksouvenir5561]

Just try to find 🔍 5800X3D on the used market for around 250$ 💰or wait it on sale for around that price until AM6 with 32 physical core is out 🧠. You do not need a AM5 just for your RTX 4080 .

[@The_Chad_]

Gotta love that AMDip

[@yamilmontes1365]

AMD's chiplet design was completely built for workstation purposes, hence the insanely easy scalability. HOWEVER, that same design does not always work for gaming. That infinity fabric can only do so much before it either has signal drop-out, or has to slow down to fetch more data. When it does this is when you notice the poor 1% and 0.1% lows. Zen2, 3, and 4 all suffer from this. You can be running 6200C28 on a 7950X and still have frame time issues cause the fabric is the bottleneck.

[@Allosaurus87]

wait few weeks for the ryzen 5700x3d

[@georgeindestructible]

I did and do not have stutters with my 5800x but it cannot hold 120 fps on certain (very single threaded games, such as WoW and more specifically in raids) regardless of the GPU settings, clear CPU bottleneck right there (i can see one core being maxed when the fps drop regardless of the CPU usage being low), upgrading to a 5800x3D isn't worth it because of the price and also having to do an entire system upgrade to get a 7800x3D is also not worth it for the same reason but even worse, motherboards alone costing at 300-500 euroes, nah i'll tank it for as long as i can.

[@russelrenznerosa8969]

If an R5-7500F3D were a thing for $220 and shipped globally.

[@wayner2ll704]

I have 5600x and a 7900xtx. Runs good enough for me.

[@wayner2ll704]

Huge bottleneck on some games but when my monitor works great I don't notice much between 100-165hz.

[@chrissyboy7047]

​@@wayner2ll704I had virtually the same setup, was the non x 5600. Was great. I play at 4k and upgraded to the 5800x3d and there wasnt a huge difference in fps in most games

[@Monster-Abee]

The 5800x3d is 100 dollars too much. I wouldn't pay nearly 300 for an am4 chip today period.

[@q3mago]

i would go with 7500F from ali

[@MyRkAcc]

"Just drop 400 for a cpu, 200 for a mobo and 150 for ram. Better then 300 for a cpu that gonna perform about the same with your card." Hmm... Nah not if you are fine with using AM4 for 2 years or more from now too.

[@FOTON_FOREVER]

It's called AMDip and it plagues all Ryzen cpus from 1000 series to 7000series and X3D ( X3D somewhat remedies that problem but dip still exists ), just yesterday i had argument with some AMD fanboys and did a short video to prove it that it happens and problem exist ( i have r5 1400 OC 3.9ghz and 2x8gb ddr4 3133 ) i face same issue that Framechasers showcased on multiple occasions with 7800X3D, small barely noticeable 1% low and 0.1% low microstutters that annoy the hell out of me, i honnestly wish i knew this before i upgraded my gpu from RX 560 4gb to 6750xt just to see stutters are still here and are even worse as i have higher FPS now than before ( 60 all the time vs 30-40s on my 560 )

[@markotto1767]

i got a good am4 motherboard with 3900x , 64 gb of ram 3600 cl18 (4 stick single sided single rank) and i play games (ok 12 cores was not a good choice). i'm waiting for my 5800x3d from Amazon in these days. My card is 5700xt but i will upgrade soon with a flagship card, probably 7900xtx, to play @1440p, maybe 4k. i don't need 9999fps, i don't like competitive games but good looking games@144hz. No new system to build and maybe no SO to reinstall (i'd like your opinion about that). hoping lt will be a goog choise for me. ok i thought a lot about the price of 5800x3d very similar to 7800x3d in these days...

[@auggieaxiom5726]

Wait 60 days new x3d

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Its called the "AMDip" Its an inherent part of the MCM design. Since they use chiplets there will always be some sort of Latency. That is the dip in framerate. That's another reason why you can look at any benchmarks and notice the Intel parts might have lower Average framerates but it mostly always has higher 1% lows.

[@aldwinjum7533]

changing from r7 3700x to r5700x means changing also a mobo that would support the 5700x and probably a ram, right?

[@williambreeze2659]

He might as well go am5. Dude has a 4070ti, spending money shouldn't be an issue.

[@yuyuy193]

personallyid say 5700x cause am5 new processors are coming out in what 3 months? save the 500$ and just be happy sell the 3700x for prob like 80$ or something and that cost goes down even more then upgrade the entire system in like 4 years

[@yuyuy193]

apparently the used 3700x is worth like 97$ so at 80$ hes only spending 90$ to upgrade his system id say thats the play personally.

[@raven80wolfx2]

I got 7900xtx and 5900x. It's decent, but I swear I am being cpu bottleneck. I could upgrade to 7800x3d, but lose out on cores. It makes me want to wait for ddr5 to get cheaper. It also could be years from now that amd gets better cpu with more cores work properly. Along with games removing denuvo I can only hope hardware can smash the issues with current games. As pc gamers, we are taking major L after L with ports even on the best hardware. Gamers lying saying oh it runs fine on my system. When they have no clue what bad performance is.

[@blkspade23]

I ran into CPU bottlenecks with a 6800XT and a 5950X, so yeah you'd be getting even more with that GPU.

[@sc337]

If you have a partner at home that cares a lot about how you spend on luxury goods, it's pretty easy to sneak-in a 5800x3d and no appearance changes on your PC whatsoever.

[@justsomegamer2285]

There's no "that" much difference between 5800x3D and 7800x3D in average, so just go for 5800x3D 😂

[@jfralick100]

If all he does is game he could go for 5600X3D from microcenter.

[@wizardry-y3q]

Ryzen 3000 Is utter garbage better get 5600x

[@TheSauuron]

is not "utter garbage", its simply overshadowed by newer tech.

[@sdasmah]

5800x3d. (Used or on sale) Is the way to go

[@Xilent1]

Interesting. Just found this on Ebay $265 US: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D + 16 GB G.Skill FlareX 3200C14

[@sdasmah]

@@Xilent1 beauty of the x3d chips are that's Ram speed is not as important .