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00:00 The Crucial Role of CPU Power in 4K Gaming: Exploring Hardware Requirements, Performance Benefits, and Value Propositions
01:00 The video discusses the hardware requirements for running the game Immortals of AVM at different resolutions and details.
01:11 The recommended hardware for running the game at 4K 60FPS on high detail is a 7900 XT or 4080 GPU and a Ryzen 75700X or i7 2700K CPU.
01:30 For medium detail at 1440p 60FPS, a 6800 XT or 380 TI GPU and a 5700X or 12700K CPU are recommended.
01:42 The game can be played at 1080p resolution with a 3080 TI and 12700K CPU, but it may be unoptimized.
03:07 The CPU does matter at 4K resolution, as shown in a benchmark comparison between a Ryzen 5 7600X and an i9 13900K.
03:16 The i9 13900K performs better due to its reserve of ecor, providing better overall PC responsiveness.
04:05 A top-end CPU like the 7900X or 7950X is recommended for pairing with an RTX 490 GPU.
04:47 Clean test benches and a fresh install of Windows 11 were used for testing, with only necessary software running.
05:08 The video discusses the importance of CPU in gaming, specifically for 4K gaming with the RTX 490.
10:56 The video discusses the importance of having more than 8 cores for gaming and the potential benefits of the 14900K CPU.
14:36 Tech discusses the value of building a gaming PC with an i5-12400 and a B660 board instead of opting for a more expensive setup.
17:26 The video discusses the performance and value of different CPU chips, particularly the 13600 K and 7800 x3d, in relation to gaming and overall computer usage.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

The CPU definitely matters because my 1950x threadripper Just ain't cutting it anymore for gaming. It's not terrible but it makes my meta quest 3 and consoles seem like a better option

[@adamtajhassam9188]

Just upgraded a 12900k to 14900k 25% NOTICABLE BACKGROUND STABILITY DIFFERNCE love it. w my rtx 4090

[@olo398]

Keep doing what you're doing TD, even though I don't watch anymore cept for a video here and there. Always good true info.

[@mikekrebs5598]

I am still using a 10850k / 3080 for gaming @ 4k/ 1440p UW, but even with older open world games like AC Odyssey my CP utilization regularly goes well above 80%. Will never make the mistake of pairing a high-end GPU with an i5/i7 ever again, the difference is very noticeable in-game.

[@pkpnyt4711]

People need to stop buying games that are POS games developed by dev companies who rely on FSR/DLSS as a crutch. None of these games look so much better than games done 10 years ago. EDIT: Also the reason games at 1440p and 4k need more powerful CPUs now because when you use DLSS/FSR the load goes to the CPU and not the GPU. This is the reason I always said this tech is asinine. It's not leveraging the GPU more (it's more powerful than our CPU) when games should focus the load there and not the CPU.

[@natalie2070]

It’s not the games relying on those technologies it’s the hardware. You can thank Nvidia and their severe lack of vram. I don’t think you understand how much computation goes into lighting and shadows plus volumetric particles. This is a growth spurt so there will be pain but it’s compounded by planned obsolescence and a near monopoly of Nvidia.

[@daniil3815]

@@natalie2070 haha how VRAM matters if 4090 cannot run 60fps at 4k in Alan Wake 2. you are saying nonsense.

[@daniil3815]

then you will not buy majority of the games going forward, majority will rely on DLSS instead of optimization.

[@pkpnyt4711]

@@daniil3815that's your opinion and I agree to disagree. Games might include DLSS/FSR but there will be some where it was just added in for the sake of being added in. Look at Baldur's Gate, that game was made witrhout that in mind and they just added support after the game was created. They did it so people wouldn't complain. The game runs perfectly fine without the need for RT DLSS FSR BS.

[@daniil3815]

​@@pkpnyt4711 congrats on Baldur's Gate playing good natively. But a lot of new AAA games are extremely hard to run, so you forced to user DLSS (especially on low-mid tier hardware) otherwise you will play at

[@1SaG]

Just went from a 12600K to a 14700KF on the same Z690-based system (following a suggestion to upgrade you made months ago in an answer to a YT-comment of mine). Performance increase in high-ish res VR (Reverb G2) is very noticeable and Baldur's Gate 3's CPU-heavy Act III now runs 15 to 30 FPS faster on the same RTX 4070. That's just in 1440p - I don't have a 4k monitor and I don't think the 4070 would lend itself to that resolution. Still: Once I had gotten over my freak-out when seeing power spikes of up to 340 Watt in CPU benchmarks (board is set to unlimited PL1/2 on stock settings), I was more than happy with the added performance. Thanks for making the suggestion back then - I'm not sure I would've gone to an i7 otherwise, because mid-tier CPUs have been my go-to choice since I started PC gaming on a 486 DX2/66 ... :)

[@daniil3815]

congrats. it is a solid upgrade. more P cores, more E cores, nice.

[@Hypershell]

The thread math horrifies me when you apply it to the 7600X. Roughly two threads are left available. On a hyperthreaded CPU. ON A CLEAN TEST BENCH. On the upgrade path, I get it, I still love my AM4 system, but two things to keep in mind: 1.Gone are the days when you can throw a Ryzen 9 chip on a sub-$200 motherboard. Which I actually did on my Asus X570-P (yes, BIOS Flashback would have given some peace of mind, but it's otherwise solid) 2. Power supply. In 2020, before the RTX 30 series was announced, everyone thought 650 watts was a nice healthy headroom for a GPU upgrade. That advise aged like milk.

[@ElecTricKTitaN]

i can see intel in the future being able to produce a chip equal to 2x 7800x3d in p cores and having a 5950x in e cores.. and im happy about that.

[@allxtend4005]

at that time AMD produced Ryzen 7 17800x3d (100 Watt) that still beat the intel 100900k (1000 Watt) cpu ... E cores are the worst scam and people dont understand how a CPU is working right ? you dont need E cores it is a waste of silicon, you can use real cores and they can slow themself's down if they needed but E core's are something that let you pay for less quality, and at the end Intel CPU's still eat that much Power even with E cores ? what the hell intel is so done.

[@ElecTricKTitaN]

@allxtend4005 x3d chips aren't without there flawes either. Both have pros and cons. It's still too early to say either one is a scam. Both are still in its infancy. I'm still rocking a 3900x and will do for some time. You are correct the 7800x3d are amazing but even then they don't absolutely trounce the 13/14900k 100% of the time. Chips aren't just meant for gaming, they have other uses outside the domain of gaming like productivity work too which intel desktop chips are good at, even better than amd in some scenarios. So if you look at the picture overall it's titt for tatt.

[@elitepauper7400]

​​@@ElecTricKTitaNokay but many people do game. And any gaming rig can do productivity. But not any productivity rig can enjoy smooth gameplay. The 7800x3d is hands down the best cpu ever released sofar and is really the only choice i would point any pc Builder too unless you really only do work on it.

[@walkersgamingpcs]

CPU matters with a 4090, is the way I put it. If I’m building a gaming PC with mid range money the money should go to the GPU. Get minimum CPU for the platform and possibly upgrade that later.

[@MH-zk7hc]

I went from a 3900X / 32GB 3600CL18 / 2080Super / 970Evo to a 7950X / 64GB 6000CL30 / 4090 / 990Pro and was shocked, how a lot of games utilize all (or nearly) threads. And the CPU usage is surprisingly high. But the real treat was playing Cyberpunk buttery smooth WHILE my system was downloading, extracting and installing a couple other games in steam. Not a quantifiable point to make, I know, but hell of an experience for a tech enthusiast. 😄 Just like the absolute lack of micro stutters when multitasking on multiple monitors, programs etc.. It's not about what one NEEDS, but what makes sense when you spend 3x the money for a perfectly fine console on a GPU alone. Don't cheat yourself out of a great experience because of bad advice when you're already spending a lot of money.

[@jodiepalmer2404]

The advice on getting a top of line cpu is sound advice. One of the games I play Fallout 4 loves the high-end AMD CPU 7950x3d because of the large amount of cache it has. People average between 140 -160 FPS whereas, my current system i7 4790K + 1080ti only average 80 FPS.

[@deenycest10710]

Spending over 1000 bucks to upgrade from a 10900k or 5900x cpu to a 13900/14900k or 7900x/3D for a few more 1% lows for 4K gaming is bananas. Happy Halloween kiddo

[@MackanRules]

This video comes at a good time for me as im looking to buy a whole new 4k setup with a 4080 but i was unsure about the CPU. I was thinking about the i5 14th gen but now i guess im getting the i7 14th gen.

[@RickMyBalls]

i paired an i7 5775 with an RX 6800 and immediatly learnt that an amazing gpu doesn't carry an ageing cpu in modern games.

[@CRF250R1521]

Lol! Yeap.

[@bh0llar702]

If people think all the new cpu's coming out with all theses cores and devs aren't going to use them your crazy

[@LexLutha]

I had a 5800X paired with my 4090. I just upgraded to am5 with a 7800x3d. So far so good, but I am definitely planning on getting a big boy when zen 5 drops.

[@williambreeze2659]

This does make sense!

[@joeschmo2693]

Is my 7900X going to support an anticipated upgrade from 1440 on a 3080 to 4k on a 50XX?

[@RRhoads27]

You assume everyone plays the same types of games. Some games are much more GPU heavy than others, while others are much more CPU heavy. That is the beauty of building a custom PC, you get it specced to your needs.

[@jodiepalmer2404]

I play older games like the Elder Scrolls Series and Fallout Series as well as add mods to them. Plus, the games are better optimized on Nvidia GPU's at the time. There are still some problems with AMD GPU's except Fallout Series runs a lot better on AMD x3d series CPU's because of the extra 3d cache. At this time, there is group of people who still running some tests on the early Elder Scrolls Series i.e. Morrowind and Oblivion.

[@stanisawkowalski7440]

With combo of resolution + CPU + bottleneck there is neverending confusion around people. To these people, just know one thing and maybe you'll finally get it: your CPU won't give more fps in higher resolution, so compared to other CPUs it sucks in e.g. 4K the same as it sucks in 1080p. When in e.g. 1080p X CPU gives 140 fps and Y CPU gives 100 fps, they will give quite the same numbers (few percents lower) in higher resolution. Showing that needs lowering details or swapping GPU for stronger.

[@AngryChineseWoman]

I have a 4090 and "only" a 13700k. Come at me, TechDeals !

[@Krenisphia]

So do I. The 13700K is only very slightly slower than the 13900k where you won't even notice it in games without a framerate counter.

[@kramnull8962]

Yeah but you score 30K+ R23 vs. a 7800x3d with 18K tops.

[@dethskullcrusher]

That 7600 + Expensive MB everyone on a budget thinks at least once, but if you're on a budget you end up using that CPU for a long time before you have enough money for an upgrade and is just not worth it, ideally you buy a CPU at "X" usd and the MB at "X/2" usd, but in todays market a good MB is just expensive not like it used to be, so i guess paying the same ammount of cash for the CPU and MB is not too bad in todays market (as long is not 700usd each), in my case i bought a 12700KF for 215$ and a Z690-E ROG Strix Gaming Wifi for 210$.

[@ryzendave9303]

with the current state of game optimisation and the fact things move forward faster these days,, where should i go upgrade wise i have a 3440-1440p 35@ 180hz monitor a vr headset on order and i have a 5900x and 32gb ddr4 4000mhz (2 x16,2 slots spare) asus b550f gaming wifi2 mobo and a 4070ti asus oc ed.. will be grabbing the new hyte case soon y70, and want more fps at my current screen res allthough i do use a 65' 144hz tv/monitor ocassionaly.. goal more fps in coming titles! dont want to buy whole new pc so in stages or do i just save ?

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

In late 2022, Ryzen 5 and Intel i5 processors could achieve 95% of the performance of high-end CPUs when gaming at 4K. However, with the introduction of the RTX 4000 generation, CPUs suddenly became a limiting factor. At that point, in order to fully utilize the potential of your high-end graphics card, you needed to invest in a top-of-the-line CPU.

[@franksam8610]

I can get anything I just upgraded from a 3080 to a 4090fe at a discount new from bb would the 138k, 149k being close to price or a 7950x? What would in your opinion be better or alll the same? I play 4k like open world games and Spider-Man or red redemption

[@daniil3815]

if you are interested specifically in Spider-Man, then check benchmarks 14900k vs 7950x. I believe it shouldn't be a big difference, make sure your monitor has enough HZ to show you all performance.

[@michaelangst6078]

So does this mean we have to keep waiting forever for CPU tech to catch up? The 14900K has to be the biggest disappointment yet when it comes to actual gains in games over the previous year

[@rangersmith4652]

If you have a 4090, getting a flagship CPU adds but a small percentage to the overall cost of your PC. A 4090 cost $1600, and a 13900K costs $550. Add another $1000 a mobo, SSD, RAM, PSU, and case. Add another $600 for a display and another $200 for peripherals. Your total is $3,950, conservatively. It's probably more. Your 13900K is ~14% of that total. If you think the CPU doesn't matter, you could just get a 13600K for only $308, or ~8% of the total. Or to put it another way, by choosing the 13900K over the 13600K you raise the total price of the system by $242, or ~6%. But here's the real analysis to perform: If you run that system for just two years, the CPU bump cost you $10/month or a whopping 34 cents per day. What must you avoid buying to free up that $10/month? Something of minimal consequence, I'll wager, if you have 4090 money.

[@supertiger2607]

I have a 13700k and an msi liquid x 4090 😅 I had the 13700k with an evga 3080 12gb and sold that gpu to a friend and used the money to help pay the 4090. I was interested in getting a higher end cpu but I might just wait for next gen at this point… should I just go for a 7950x3d or wait?

[@MaydayYT]

0:09 x book sounds like a porn mag lmao

[@jedpratte]

Like city skylines 2. Can’t even run high fps with 4090 at 1080p lol. My 10850k and 3080 still holding strong at 1440p. Will build a new machine when 15th gen and 5000 series nvidia is out.

[@xpodx]

I play games from 2001 and some at 2008, some 2017 and up to 2023, so all over the place, i game at 4k 144hz and gonna save for the 5090, i have a i9-9900k and will play all my games at 4k 200% scaling and 144fps min, and then upgrade to 8k 144hz or higher in 4 years.

[@yves1926]

CPU matter is independant of resolution : It is all one need to know

[@takehirolol5962]

Tech, the Intel Necromancer as always.

[@LutherLeonard1]

True, frame rates proves your point.

[@akumatie]

The 7800X3D and 7900X and the 13700K are the same price which one would you buy for 1440p high settings in modern games like City Skylines 2, rdr2, Cyberpunk? For a 3070ti.

[@Zombie101]

7800x3d

[@SuperGuerillaGamplay]

7900x or 13700k

[@harlemstruggle]

I wonder about the top capabilities of my Ryzen7 2700x CPU is and what the best value 4k monitor/TV. I want to max out my Ryzen7 2700x CPU but not sure what GPU is best to upgrade.

[@takehirolol5962]

Just get Zen 3, Zen 1+ is not even good for the minimums anymore. Not even worth it for 60 FPS locked gaming since you will suffer with the minimums.

[@harlemstruggle]

@@takehirolol5962 no.

[@uncrunch398]

Is it accurate to say it _does_ or _now_ it does?

[@benjihutch24]

Ryzen 7 5700x and a RX5600xt here, and lots of bills to pay. but i still have fun. its still a gaming pc

[@allxtend4005]

just people who never build pc's themself for a long time dont understand that CPU matters alot this is why Ryzen 5800x3d and 7800x3d are awesome cpu's. for everyone out there, get a old Ryzen 1800x/2800x/3800x and test it with the same gpu then get a 5800x/3d and you see ... more fps with the same gpu in all settings if not CPU limitations. when i upgraded from Ryzen 3000 to ryzen 5000 i saw a HUGE FPS jump with the same hardware and just CPU swaped. On intel side ... i really dont know who will go for a 13900k over a 7800x3d for gaming.

[@Abra_Ka_Dabra_008]

Great video. Some of new games like Starfield are so CPU intensive irrespective of what resolution you are playing. In addition, these new games are using upscaling too so that makes games more CPU intensive too.

[@cmstudios11]

were you guys shadow banned? I literally had to search for you guys to see any videos at all from you?

[@josephjroy6593]

Intel i5 were covered by gamers, 8n tge past 20 years, for their overclocking potential. Before DX 10 or 11 came along, games were all single threaded. Remember the meme : Can it run Crysis? That game appeared when cpu (dual-cores) speed dropped in favor of 4 cores.

[@olimphus26]

People’s minds are still in 2016 😅

[@ryanvtec3885]

the ryzen 7600 is still way to high here $299 plus tax for a six core nuts

[@IronmanG74]

Im running an all core clocked at 5Ghz i9 9900k with my 7900xtx on ultrawide. Looks i need something new for Xmas....

[@maho8204]

See It you can tune RAM and overclock a Little bit further... It would help alleviate the CPU bottlneck by a lot, till you get somethinf better

[@IronmanG74]

Ram is maxed. Happy with performance currently. Probably wait for the next zen gen

[@xpodx]

What res is your ultrawide? Maybe just get a higher res monitor? I have a i9-9900k and 3090 and game at 4k 144hz and 5k

[@bill_g.]

Factorio with large bases is actually better on intel, 7800x3d only wins in small bases, which is irrelevant anyway becausethe animations are prerendered in 60fps, no benefit in having higher refresh than that

[@alias5152]

I am always for better to have more and not to be used ( to idle ) than not having enough, when comes to cpu.. It will not hurt.. I am big lover of pc components and pc's and this is why i think in this way, if someone don't care and just want specific game to run.. ok i understand.. buy what is "good enough" and not spend more than you need.. Problem occurs, you buy it now for the future, you don't buy it because of past.. Answer to those people who are against high core flagships.. they are the loudest crowd and most of them don't even understand how components works in which scenario...but it's important for them to say "Oh tech and people like him just want everyone to have 16 cores cpu.. best gpu etc.." .. not realizing they are in that bubble in present and past.. and when future become present they always get pissed and shocked.. how we don't need more etc.. crazy..

[@mgaming7]

I have no house payment or car payment. both are paid off. But I have a few K in credit card debt. So I went 14700k, 32GB ddr5 7200cl34, 1200W PSU, 2TB NVME, and kept my case and my 3080Ti (for another year or two, maybe look at nvidia 5080). should be good for 3-4 years. game at 4K. can use dlss if I need to on some games. I am more of an mmo / rpg type vs high FPS shooters. upgrade from a 6 year old cpu.

[@JorgeAlarconL]

I already lost interest in correcting people about this topic through the years. Buy whatever you want. If you it right, enjoy. If not that's sad 😅.

[@MrSammy76]

I'm a noob and I apologize for that. Lol. I built my pc last year. Before the 7900x3d came out. I purchased and built my PC with the 7900xtx paired with the 7700x cpu. My display is 4K 144 Hertz. Did I screw up? Thanks in advance.

[@Trip4man]

Complicated to answer... It will depend on the game you will be playing. For example, on Alan Wake 2 you'll barely touch the 60FPS mark with top of the hardware... On other games a 144Hz display could make sense. Although I'm not sure if there are games that can reach 144FPS at 4K... Seems a lot but, well, there's less demanding games for sure (not a fan of CS so I don't even consider that a game). So you went a little overboard on a display with a 144Hz refresh rate... Because you won't be getting 144FPS at 4K with demanding games ("demanding games" or most of the games as long you don't include CS on that list).... Doesn't make sense having a 144Hz display if your hardware doesn't deliver 144FPS you understand? It's not exactly a mistake... Because actually your display is future proof... The only thing you will be changing is the hardware from now on... So make sure you treat your display like a baby you know 😆 Well, a different type of baby because this one doesn't like blankets or water

[@user-vb6lr8dp4m]

rx 7600 is 245 usd, rx 7800xt is 510 usd, arc 750 is 210 usd, rtx 4060 is 280 usd which to buy, please help

[@saiprasad8078]

I always buy a top end CPU and medium range GPU -- been doing so since 1998.

[@Ladioz]

It's also a good reason to buy a top end cpu to upgrade less frequently. it is quite stressful and time consuming to replace a cpu that is also not from the same generation or company. GPU's can be swapped without hassle

[@thedarkangelpt]

i have a 5900x with 3600 ddr4 and a 3080. i only play on a 4k 120hz tv. is my cpu enough ? i dont care using dlss.mainly my games are cod and shooters

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

If you get a current top end GPU your CPU will become a bottleneck even at 4K

[@chrismoule7242]

8:35 - yes - this: please, please listen to this everybody. Gaming at the cutting edge is simply far, far less important than living, so if you need money for the latter you mustn't spend it on the former. That way lies disaster.

[@fredEVOIX]

consider DLSS is as a secondary gpu also asking things to the cpu in parallel of the normal gpu, now keep in mind RT are other different cores not just a software feature, when you use both you get the magic combo of overwhelmed by requests CPU + increased watts on gpu, as a 13900k 4090 owner I see no reason for nvidia to release a 5000 series currently as shadow of the tomb raider 1080p benchmark with a 1080ti it was 99% gpu limited and on a 4090 it's 99% cpu limited, cpus can't follow a 4090 already and on top of that you add DLSS and RT...intel will have to go x3d or something, one point I disagree on is the 4090 being to play 4k only, i don't (except on my tv) what you get playing 1080p or 1440p with them is a system running 120-144Hz vsync all max details for 330w at the outlet 4090s are half asleep running less than 4k and it's a good thing my room is much cooler now, imagine running a weak car engine at 8000rpm or a powerful one at 4000rpm it's exactly what your get, it's still a plus in my book, I tried a 240Hz oled monitor and returned it...sure I could run games in 1440p 240fps...for 600-800w nonstop as soon as the game menu appears, no thanks the change in room temp was very obvious, 4k 60fps is fine but I imagine if I had a 120hz oled it would be the same deal...massive heat and watts

[@Ladioz]

This guy has been opening my eyes for the past 2 years how important CPU is. So wait a second... just because you play at ''4K resolution'' you think that you can just plug in your 4090 and use a cpu from 5 years ago? like a i5 9th gen or something? Good luck when it comes to playing that Spiderman game or some other open world cpu heavy game. Ive seen people replace their 3900x or 5600X and get stuff like 5800X3D. (which is what i did) and it was the best thing ever. It gets the most juice out of the gpu that you have..

[@Superiorer]

A 7900x above a 7700x for gaming? Why? The 7900x is slower.

[@TechDeals]

You haven't used a PC as more than a game console, have you? :)

[@C7TJFVB7CAZ_TyonorShap]

hehehe badummzz@@TechDeals 😅👌

[@Maxl1710]

15 euros for windows isnt thaaat cheap

[@Zombie101]

all cpus will go the way apple did, ARM chips. faster and cooler

[@christohees9150]

Pc optimized games is dead😂

[@johannesburgreal441]

I like your content but it's just too long and rambling. With so much content to get through, watching your videos becomes painful. Don't you think you'd reach more people and add more value if your videos were shorter and more to the point? again, I do think that your knowledge is helpful but i just cannot watch your videos

[@daniil3815]

those are not recordings. it is unedited block from live stream. kinda easy way to make a video. obviously quality of those videos cannot be perfect since it is live recording without scenario.

[@yakbreeder]

I watch all KZbin video at 2x speed. Start at 1.25x, then 1.5x, then 2x. Once you get to 2x, you'll never go back.

[@CaptainScorpio24]

​@@yakbreeder😂

[@raulhidalgo6817]

Then don't watch it, what is he holding you down and forcing you to watch?

[@kramnull8962]

@@raulhidalgo6817 Everything he was unsure of to begin with.

[@heyjoe113]

What about the 13600k and a 7900XTX for 4k gaming. Will the CPU bottleneck the GPU?

[@ardithconley2628]

Most folks say I do not play with a full deck anyway. However, the real bottle neck with folks is not the CPU only or even the GPU. If you do not have the monitor none of that really matters that much due to even if you have the highest CPU or GPU does not matter if you do not have the Monitor to display the high end out come. I. E. my present 32" 1440P 75 HZ monitor is only going to display 60 FPS. Better hardware may hold that better but none is going to top end any RTX4090 even with my Ryzen 5700X. I have had a RTX 3070 which is over kill for that set up. I upgraded the RX 7900XT still 60FPS. Just play the games and enjoy them even if you have to turn down the settings. Upgrade smart. Just places your monitor on a higher priority if you want to take advantage of the higher end CPUs and GPUs.