Game Theory: I SOLVED The Oldest Pokemon Debate!

[@rpgrage7711]

"Pokemon sizes make no sense" Literally the first sentence and I already know it's going to be a fun math episode

[@bryantechno4704]

Yeah

[@Godzilla6543]

Jehehehhehehe

[@BlitzerXYZ]

finally a math episode not a lore video for some random indie horror

[@ilikefootballandbaddecisions]

It doesn’t make sense because wailord(correct me if I spelled that wrong) can learn bounce.

[@livstuff]

@@ilikefootballandbaddecisionsu spell it like “wailord”!

[@snapdragoon1236]

Honestly the real question is can it even submerge itself under water. I imagine it’s be like trying to push one of those wakeboards under water but if warlord comes shooting back up say goodbye

[@wolfofragnarok1]

I presume it can take on water in some way to weigh itself down. Submarines tend to be less dense than water afterall. Or it's just using Pokémon magic.

[@JamesDavy2009]

@@wolfofragnarok1 Or they take in gastroliths to act as ballast.

[@dratiboy]

It is called the 'Float Whale' Pokemon, maybe it's not supposed to go under water. Then again we can clearly see a Wailord underwater in BW2 in the Marine Tube...

[@ryudragonuv]

​@@wolfofragnarok1 My thoughts exactly. That 800lbs weight could be a 'dry weight' and just like subs a Wailord just takes on water to sink--also like pufferfish and some other marine life. Or it just has a swim-bldder to adjust its buoyancy.

[@tijlfabian9301]

no science to back it up btw just theorizing while reading the comments.: Whales need to breath air and not water so it needs to be able to surface quickly. And maybe like @wolfofragnarok1 said it maybe can take water inside of himself to make himself more heavy.

[@Trident_Gaming03]

This episode feels like what Game Theory videos used to be, more based on math/science than assumptions and plot-building

[@raider_reaper_4194]

The only thing is Pokemon remedied the height situation by adding Height to each individual pokemon now. I have a Shiny Charizard 10ft tall in Pokemon Go who I traded to Home and then to Scarlet.

[@SonicEndouRed]

I miss these kinds of videos so much

[@fatcatsgoneblack]

All their number crunching moved over to the analytics to maximize view farming. Love Food/Style Theory but GT and Film Theory have both completely lost my interest till today.

[@Void_Everfrost]

the difference between this and other videos is that the formula is simple and usable where as videos like fnaf looked into a problem that doesn't have an equation and also NO CANON INFO ty scott he changes it constantly that past theories became irrelevant quickly

[@ricardoavacado3901]

Some were like this. a lot were not. Austin mostly did them

[@LocalMaple]

I assumed Wailord would intake or expel water to adjust their weight/buoyancy as they swim. Whoever weighed it took away the water weight. This explains in-game shots of him diving.

[@naysmithgaming]

This suddenly makes so much sense.

[@ethane6891]

Would olso make sence why you could battle with him on land

[@UltraAryan10]

Gen 3 also introduced the move Water Spout which was exclusive to Wailmer, Wailord and Kyogre. So this highlights Wailord's ability to intake water which is then expelled offensively through this move.

[@eleven9286]

​@@UltraAryan10"expelled offensively" is just funny to me for some reason

[@UltraAryan10]

@@eleven9286 lol, well it might still expel water when its chilling, you know just to float up to the water surface.

[@alexhakimipour2559]

An easier way to explain the Pokédex using length as height is this: Dudunsparce has 2 forms, one with 2 segments and one with 3 segments. The 3 segment is taller than 2 segment in the Pokédex even though they have the same measured height. Thus most long Pokémon like snakes, worms, eels (Or in this case whale balloons) are measured in length.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

Oh yeah, serpent-shaped pokemon are measured by length

[@Awesome_sly12]

Yeah, all Pokemon have a canon shape, like tall, wingspan, and length. It depends on the canon shape.

[@aleksabanjevic8316]

I h8 that they say that it's hight, when it's either or, just saying size would be easier, and u can guess when it is referring to hight or length based on the mons body shape

[@schnipple]

GT x YIAY

[@SketchUT]

Yeah that’s what I think furret’s height comes from. It just includes the tail, which adds on a lot. Or so I hope…

[@ArchangelPlays]

It was so refreshing to have a video that goes back to the roots of game theory with a scientific/numbers related theory. Lore is great, but I missed the days of dissecting the numbers of how Link’s arm will be ripped off by the hookshot. Sometimes it’s more entertaining to bring games into our real world in a Myth Busters-esque fashion. I hope they do more of these kinds of videos.

[@OgKafrizel]

same

[@DHawkBeats]

Same bro I was just thinking about how I missed these more physics style videos and not the lore ones and then I can across this one in recommended

[@dafilmqueen556]

Can you say that calculating whether a fictional non-human humanoid society could be sustainable counts as a science theory, or does it reach too far into lore theory instead? I ask simply because that’s what I think would be fun to watch on Film Theory.

[@ArchangelPlays]

@@dafilmqueen556 I just like the numbers lol. The whole channel is video games which are all fictional, but some theories are story based, some are numbers based. I just missed the numbers based theories 😅👍

[@ethanisnotsleeping]

He may not be lighter than air, but Wailord is still DRAMATICALLY lighter than water How it can dive is beyond me

[@fonzie_tron7272]

Probably by swalling and expelling water

[@ElNeroDiablo]

taking on/expelling water as ballast, like how a submarine is designed to float at the water's surface to load crew and stores (food and drink) but can do controlled sinking to literally become "below water" (sub, marine).

[@raywang2337]

Pokémon logic

[@Bandit_Artz21]

You know it’s like us as humans we can float on water but we can also dive with enough force so waillord has lots of force apparently

[@alexsup21]

​@Bandit_Artz21 but the average density of a person is 1010 kg/m^3 not 2.18 ...

[@marmackerel]

this feels like old days theories,,, so refreshing!! hope to see more content like this :)

[@uvossos5171]

it is an "old days theory" XD

[@ZeldaboyOG]

Wait.. at 1:15. This is just THE SCIENCE. Not watching.

[@11thDC]

This is what happens when you run out of fnaf

[@MumboJ]

Notably, Wailord is close *enough* to the density of air that he could presumably bounce around like a beach ball, which is exactly what the developers intended with his design (and that of his prevolution Wailmer, who looks to be made of the same blubbery material). Honestly surprised they got this one right. Edit: Wait, wouldn't it have been way easier to work out the density of Wailmer, the devs literally gave us a spherical whale to extrapolate from, lol.

[@MijmerMopper]

Wailmer is a beach balloon, Waillord is a zeppelin.

[@theshepdawg6809]

Yay science episodes. Ever since Austin left there’s been a sad lack of these. Please do more!

[@frostbitlion1727]

agreed. lore is nice and all but science is the foundation of this channel

[@lusiant]

Austin left?? Aw man i love his episodes :(

[@theshepdawg6809]

@@lusiant Yeah. He’s been gone for a while. Unfortunately, it was due to shenanigans involving KZbin algorithms and deprioritizing “The Science” episodes and it ultimately hurting the standard Game Theory videos. I think it’s something along the lines of “This channel produces this kind of content, and something that doesn’t line up with that indicates this channel is unfocused, so we’re not going to push this channel’s content as much as we could.” Take my words with a grain of salt as it’s been a while since I looked into it. Austin uploaded a video to his own channel explaining the reasoning in much better detail, so I’d look for that. All the same, he did stress that he had no ill feelings towards Theorist, Mat, or any of the other Theorist staff.

[@carol-annecollins]

Dude I miss Austin so much. Hearing a video start with DEAR… just made my day :)

[@siyabongakhumalo4492]

Wait ? Austin left !?! Aaah well..

[@joseknavarro]

I had no idea Blender could give volume measurements (I've never had to use it, or any 3D modeling program ever). I was gonna suggest getting a Wailord figure and submerging it in water (after making sure it doesn't have any grooves or anything for water to get into) to measure the water displacement and calculate volume that way. It also would've been a nice educational lesson for kiddos watching this so they can learn how to find the volume of things that aren't shaped like anything without needing 3D models or anything.

[@SgtSupaman]

Submerging it in water requires a physical 3D model, though, so it isn't that much different.

[@nightowl3891]

That's an awesome idea! Archimedes would be proud

[@xplitegaming8295]

@@nightowl3891 hah, birds.

[@ultraindigo]

I am actually modeling something in Blender as I was watching this episode and thought of the exact same solution as the one they used. The only difference was that I had completely forgot about the Switch game and was wondering where the heck they were gonna get a lore accurate 3D model without attempting to create one themselves.

[@Ronbonco_Studios]

Furret is such a W Pokémon, happy to see it being acknowledged. Also I love the fact that it can tower over many Pokémon.

[@lirich0]

pfp checks out

[@D-S-9]

I can not sufficiently express how happy I am to see these sorts of theories back on the channel. Thank you! Also… yeah… I miss Austin.

[@James-tk6vm]

Same

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

These are the biggest reason I subbed back in the day! The technical science is hitting close to home! Austin does his own thing now! Just so yk! Edit: Is there a playlist for technical science? I swear I only see lore videos at this point which sucks.

[@yarielrobles9003]

What actually happened to Austin? He seems to have just disappeared from the channel

[@loadingresourcesdotdot]

@@yarielrobles9003he made a video on his channel about it

[@williamklemp3764]

​@@yarielrobles9003 is posts under the Shoddycast channel again now, he's got an explanation video on why he left GT over there. As far as I know, it was just scheduling conflicts, and real world life problems that caused Austin to have to split from the gang, and iirc there's no bad blood between the two which I was happy to hear, as collab vids between Matt and Austin are some of my favorites

[@doim1676]

The next logical step can only be figuring out wailord's terminal velocity through air and based on that the actual force it hits the ground (or water) with if it dropped from high enough *and* wether or not it would start giving names to all the objects and probably bird pokemon it encounters during its fall

[@Compucles]

Maybe wait until there's a Grass type Pokémon based on a petunia?

[@grantarmstrong2968]

10 kg/m^3 is the approximate density of a beachball, wailord is 1/5 that. Imagine a beachball but lighter hitting the ground and that is wailord

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

"Hello ground!" ~WHUMP!! "Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as they fell was, "Oh no! Not again!""

[@GuyThePerson]

@@GreyWolfLeaderTW if that's not a reference to the hitchikers guide to the galaxy i will eat my hat

[@douglasmarshall6949]

I think it is also worth mentioning that the sizes of pokemon can vary slightly. I'm pretty sure in Pokemon GO the sizes are randomized with parameters, so you could have a very long length combined with a very light weight

[@DaTimmeh]

Same for pokemon Arceus. I'm pretty sure min weight with max size wailord could float.

[@lucaslongolucasksenha7827]

I never knew that Lucario was that short (Especially when you compare his size with Ash and Cinderace since he is just a little shorter than both and some of Lucarios trainers in the anime)

[@bsg-jay7093]

Ash is also 10

[@aaronolson6736]

the anime has been fairly consistent but it will also have its fair share of inaccurate sizes. Though with Go, Let's Go, PLA, and now SV the dex like most measurements only gives us the average sizes so thats normal, even if Pokemon species have a larger range of size.

[@FrostbiteMinicon]

The intro to this episode already made me happy. Furret getting love for it’s hilariously strange height always makes me laugh

[@douglasmarshall6949]

not to mention ledyba and muk

[@UltraAryan10]

Its not strange if you consider the value be the length of its whole body, its always ducked down a bit due to the position of its feet with its tail being parallel to the ground so unless it can stand on its tail it like Sentret, it will be closer to ~4.5 feet in terms of height. If its walking on four legs and you look from top angle then you can see its 6 feet length properly.

[@vashistreddytadi]

It reminded me of LWIAY

[@FluffyDoggie]

10:17 I like how MatPat casually dropped the greatest pun to ever exist

[@shaiky1681]

I'd love an episode by the GT team going over the Scarlet Violet books and implications

[@Hunterdear]

I completely misread/misunderstood the title. I thought this was going to talk about which pokemon was the oldest or maybe which one was created first. Instead I found out that wailord has more to talk about then just their egg group.

[@Buzz_brawlstars1]

Same

[@ParadoxlYT]

Same XD

[@04MikeB]

Assuming water density is the same, and that wailord is at rest in pokemon shield and sword, you can determine the density by its buoyancy. It is roughly halfway submerged, indicating an actual density of 500-520 kg/m3 (correcting for water salinity). You'd need further correction if the lungs are full or empty.

[@Dexuz]

You can always hand-wave it away as "Wailord sucks up water when it needs to dive".

[@Indian0Lore]

Also, when measuring weight(not mass) it is done with the buoyant forces working on the body. It can’t be lighter than air if it has a weight.

[@Dexuz]

@@Indian0Lore Pokémon like Gastly float around, you can't put them on a scale. The Pokédex describes mass, it's just being silly with the naming, we too often say weight when we should really say mass.

[@exavier5616]

I missed the more math centric episodes like this, glad to see them come back.

[@jetpoweredvids7583]

​@LoganVIogsbro was so impressed he had to reply twice

[@abigailgriffin-wc3fm]

Yeah, I much prefer these to the lore videos

[@8bitdiedie]

Too many theories nowadays are essentially try-hard conspiracy theories about a game’s plot

[@xKarenWalkerx]

They fired Austin the one who did them for most of Game Theory. Great to see Pokémon math episodes without the nagging and cynicism of Austin.

[@fiusionmaster3241]

@@jetpoweredvids7583 This just made my day hahaha, thank you

[@DarkWizardFoxo]

honestly it makes me really happy that we're doing pokémon again like I was so excited about the series a couple years ago where you were going through ridiculous pokémon entries in the Pokedex and explaining why they're insane or whatever and I was sad that that disappeared so I'm glad to see it mildly come back

[@AssortmentInc]

watching this knowing Mat is gone soon makes it so much more meaningful.

[@limegrass6194]

I would love to see more Game Theories on individual Pokémon.

[@douglasmarshall6949]

Petition for them to do a theory on magcargo's body temperature

[@wandrr27]

This channel would essentially never run out of content.

[@yamato-qi3es]

Even if walelord was lighter then air my theory is that he uses the water to decrease or increase his density by swallowing water then removes it with the blowhole saving energy used by swimming when becoming lighter

[@fallen_angelmemesforlife9172]

So Walelord is basically a living submarine. That's actually really cool.

[@JumblyRumblyGoose]

*wailord

[@soanabmekali4034]

I thought something similar too Instead of water it's like an air ship with some kind of air bags all over it's body

[@yamato-qi3es]

@@fallen_angelmemesforlife9172 yeah probably

[@filmandfirearms]

@@fallen_angelmemesforlife9172 Submarines dive using flaps in the same way as an aircraft changes altitude. That's why a lot of early submarine designs had issues with being too long, because they could dive at such a steep angle that the bow would be nearing crush depth while the stern would he nearly clearing the water

[@XFound_FootageX]

Goodbye matpat, we will forever remember you😓😓

[@Namonstar]

I missed these old style theories. Finally what I subscribed for has come back 😭

[@CharmedPop]

Same! It's been awhile. Definitely lean more towards the lore but these are always pure mathy fun!

[@BlitzerXYZ]

​@@CharmedPopI like lore when I care about the series. The thing is these lore videos often touch small indie games that I just don't care about

[@CharmedPop]

@@BlitzerXYZ Definitely understandable! I usually watch him play most of them on GT Live so I have some foundation. But I can see some like Garten of Banban not being everyone's cup of tea!

[@OwentheKingofDudes]

I know this is an unpopular theory, but I think the the fact that most Pokemon field research is performed by unpaid child interns (You in the games) is something to consider.

[@BenightedInk]

This isn't a unpopular theory, it's a hilarious theory 😅

[@SamanthaLaurier]

That could account for any inconsistencies we see in measurements.

[@vyor8837]

​@@SamanthaLaurier except that it isn't even true because most of them include phrases like "it is said" and "legends say" or "it is rumored" It's literally a collection of rumors, measurements, and historic legends and myths.

[@SgtSupaman]

To me, this is straight up canon. The entries are full of nonsensical exaggerations, myths, and legends that don't mesh with the actual world in the game. The Pokedex is 100% being written by children that aren't doing any real research.

[@vyor8837]

@@SgtSupaman you know what else is full of those things? Your history books. All of them.

[@SilverZeruel]

Hadn't watched Game theory for a while (only food and film T.) and it was refreshing to find this video, closer to the classic style.

[@blunderingfool]

I'm left wondering why they didn't just extract the wailord model from the 3DS titles and size it up, and then go from there. (Since Blender can be set for real world measurements, it's set to meters by default) Glad to see you had the exact same idea. The fact it took until S&S for someone to get around to it though, that's just disappointing from the úbrefans.

[@Undomaranel]

He was saving this one on the back burner, just like LoL waited to fix ASol.

[@andreferguson1132]

This feels like an older style game theory video and I gotta say, I love it!

[@tomby_]

Bonus theory: how much oxygen do grass types produce? As, if you remember, the pokemon world has not only pokemon that are dragons, but also more grass types. Now, if they are plant types and do photosynthesize, that would mean that the oxygen produced might be much higher in real life, making the air density much thicker. So, first, we have to check how many grass type pokemon there is. Assuming that the total population of pokemon is equivalent to that of irl animals, then that would be 20,000,121,091,000,000,000 pokemon total. Now, we currently only know about 1021 of these pokemon, so i'll be guessing using the percentage of grass types. Since there's 147 grass types, that roughly gives us 14%. Now, that gives us 2,800,016,952,740,000,000 grass type pokemons. Since the average plant produces roughly 120 ml of oxygen per day, that means that they all produce *336002 km² of oxygen* per day (336,002,034,328,800,000,000 ml). For reference, all the trees in the world make an estimated 360,000,000,000,000 combinde, 933,338× lower than what grass types produce! Now, if trees produce about 28% of all oxygen, that must logicaly mean that theoretically, 1,285,714,285,714,285 ml of oxygen is made each day (1.2 km²). This means that grass types produce 261,334× more oxygen than everything on our planet does. (Mathew I dare you to try and correct me)

[@JamesDavy2009]

I thought volume used cubic units. By your logic, the Pokémon world would have at the very least the same oxygen concentration as Earth did back in the Carboniferous period. This explains why a lot of Bug-type Pokémon are so big.

[@Yellowfruit65]

Plants undergo photosynthesis to produce energy to live. Grass types pokemons eat food, so they get their energy from eating, which implies that they probably do not do photosynthesis. Or at least not all of them do. Or if they still have the ability to do photosynthesis, they don't always do.

[@tytofurcata1]

The types aren't spread out evenly. There are a lot less mews than than there are oddish.

[@Noseihtam266]

I don't think every grass type pokemon can undergo photosynthesis, it might be more accurate if only the pokemon with the chlorophyll ability are counted, or else pokemon like grookey or sawsbuck that are mammalian would also be able to photosynthesize

[@tomby_]

OK, I'll redo the numbers and research. I'll notify you once I've finished!

[@Patterrz]

Wailord, maybe lighter than air?, definitely can breed with Skitty

[@DandTBros]

Truuuuueeeeee

[@theinsanegamer1024]

And diglett, don't forget that.

[@FireKing003]

“DMV the one place dreams go to die” got me laughing on the ground

[@eiagra]

I'm glad to see 3D measurements to help settle size accuracy as opposed to pixel measurements since, as you rightly pointed out, there's a significant margin of error depending on scale. I was trying to figure out the height of my orsimer character in ESO and had started with pixel measurements and a rope texture (with a generous 2-5% margin of error) but once they introduced precision adjustments with a 1 cm scale, with the help of a mod to notate coordinates, I was able to get measurements within 1 cm of accuracy. Also, orcs in ESO are 226 cm at shortest and 240 cm at tallest -- around 7'5" to 7'10.5" in imperial. Probably not canonical, but in-game scale can be vastly different compared to real-world or canonical scale, especially in an MMO or other game where you can have a third-person camera (so as not to have a cramped view).

[@xepixicewarriorx2689]

No wonder there are so many wailord balloons in japan.

[@SuidicalRaccoon]

8:05 I think Legends Arceus gave us some real insight on this, Pokémon shrink down to fit inside a pokéball, thats also why Wailord is smaller when in battle, or to fit on screen, because Pokémon can Shrink down for pokéballw they can too for battles.

[@sagejungwirth4155]

I came into this ready to poke holes and take names, but thankfully i didnt need to. Im very suprised and overjoyed at the amount info you gathered inorder to do a really great pokemon theory. Well done 👍

[@andrewmcalpine2522]

I know the pixel measurements would be slightly confusing to estimate, but wasn't there another full size model of Wailord in Pokémon Xd gale of darkness or Coliseum on the GameCube?

[@Compucles]

Those games actually did a pretty accurate job with the Pokédex sizes. For example, I always got freaked out by how much smaller the Roselia were in those games compared to the anime, but no, according to the Pokédex they really are that small.

[@DerekWorth02]

So, would wailord be able to actually jump out of said water and make a splash in the first place (as the pokedex describes)?

[@James-tk6vm]

More of this please, we all love the science episodes!

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

I love these episodes! The reason I subbed back in the day was for the technical science so this is hitting close to home!

[@thomasrupprecht9385]

Even if Wailord "density" would be lower than air, it would not be lighter. Since Wailord weight would be measured at 1 atmosphere, you'd need to add the density of air on it. A helium ballon has weight but you can only weigh it when in a vacuum chamber. So you would need to weigh Wailord in vacuum to get its propper weight and then perform the calculations to get the density.

[@Poké-SealTM]

0:17 The perfect size for a plush!

[@madnessarcade7447]

I was wondering when he would do a Nintendo theory again

[@fiusionmaster3241]

Turns out, today is your lucky day

[@Ruizon1]

I've missed these episodes. This made me laugh so hard, enjoy calculations and enjoy weird videogame "logic."

[@pepperonipizza6115]

Same.

[@warraven6320]

And the forced suspension of!!!

[@BlakeTheDrake]

I am *absolutely* there for a Cosmoem theory... and just more like this in general. Applying science and math to videogames is what we're all HERE for!

[@EtaryaFae]

Right? The second I see a Pokemon Game Theory (or Lockstin video), I'm clicking so fast. I love the breakdowns of this series, even if it's something I know well.

[@ChanceDrive]

A short series on diff Pokemon size problems would be awesome!

[@jonathangarling960]

Although the conclusion is sound, this theory only works on the assumption that air is the same density in the Pokémon world as it is in the real world. Drifloon, being a floating Pokémon, and said in lore to carry away children who grab onto it, would have to be far lighter than air, but doing a rough assumption of spherical size gives it a volume of 4*pi*0.4^3=0.26808 cubic meters, and with 1.2 kg as it’s weight the numbers leave it with a density of 4.476 kg/m^3, 3.65 times heavier than air. Even if we assume that it’s volume is 3 times bigger than this to account for the strings and additional parts, which is unlikely, it will still be heavier than air. This leaves the only reasonable conclusion being that drifloon either has jets strapped to it to carry the additional weight, or that air, in the world of Pokémon, is denser than the air found on earth.

[@RiddleAnim]

Cosmoem is absolutely tiny,and shares top slot for single heaviest Pokemon in the 'Dex... Does it violate its Schwarzchild Radius?

[@timothyskidmore1554]

Earth's schwarzchild radius would be about the size of a basketball.

[@level1slime]

I'm already upset at the Voltorb that can learn surf and now I want that in the games lol

[@stevdor6146]

If pikachu can do it...

[@creeperkinght1144]

that'd be hilarious to see. Imagine your going to the beach with friends and fellow Pokemon and you look out and see a group of Voltorbs with shades riding the waves.

[@archael7807]

I have two theories to test, both refers to game: "dead by daylight": 1. Survivors do not remember their faild trials. If they do, they would loose hope too soon because even death is not escape, and they would loose fear of death, one of strongest emotions, that the Entity feeds on. 2. Not every killer (and maybe survivor too) is real killer from their universe (especially license characters). evidences are: a) Enity is not omnipotent, it cannot force powerfull being to follow its commands. b) Entity powers are traverse the multiverse and create, even living things, from the fog. Both theories needs more research

[@Leo-the-frog]

i love episodes like this, i LOVE pokemon theorys. this is just what i needed today!!

[@641mamaluigi]

11:28 forget the density of cosmoem, think about how much it would weigh in dynamax form, it would break all realities

[@Jason75913]

Cosmoem doesn't even come close to a neutron star's density. A calculation of its Dynamax form weight would be fun, but not reality-breaking, lol

[@CooFynn]

You need to do more Pokemon theories, I love them so much.

[@giboit.]

10:28 Missed opportunity to use Rillaboom for the drum roll.

[@TheMonkeyKing4]

Then it wouldn't be funny

[@spaceocelot35]

There was a massive wailord in older spin-off games like PokePark 2. Though the Isle of Armor Wailord was probably more accurate and easier to obtain for this measurement. Just felt like it was worth mentioning. Swimming up to the huge Wailord as Oshawott was a very memorable moment playing that game. Quite nostalgic.

[@JadeTheProtogen1]

WHY DO I HAVE TO SUFFER WITH NEVER GETTING THE CHANCE TO GET POKEPARK OR POKEPARK 2! CURSE YOU NINTENDO FOR TAKING AWAY THE SHOPPING CHANNEL!

[@kaimemes]

The Pokédex entries in the game for the dimensions of lucario don't really make sense when you consider that in the context of the anime (if I recall correctly lucario is taller than Ash but Lucario is also really short according to the Pokédex so I guess Ash is just extremely short?)

[@davidkiknavelidze2130]

Lopunny and Lucario have the exact same heights, yet in gen 4 anime Lopunny seems shorter than ash and other characters while Lucario is taller, so probably just anime inconsistency.

[@tuseroni6085]

he IS a 12 year old child after all...

[@موسى_7]

​@@davidkiknavelidze2130anime gets all the sizes wrong

[@dsoipask]

Anime is not canon. (Also, one of the fan theories/explanations say that the pokedex is usually written by 10-12 year olds, which would explain strange numbers and descriptions.)

[@eoghanley]

MatPat, you can probably tell from other comments, but we NEED more episodes like this (if making these types of videos interests you, of course). I like all your content, but I haven't been this interested in one of your videos since the classic days of Game Theory

[@fiusionmaster3241]

Amen

[@amandaadkins7263]

True

[@blueZLegend]

So im watching the video and i paused it just now at 9:21 minutes in and just before this I'm thinking "just make a model in blender and use its features" and then you do it! Wonderful

[@slayazes3925]

This felt like a blast from the past! the Corny jokes, the editing, the subject and methodology, all felt like i was a teen again watch early GT, 11/10!

[@kiracomments-chca2747]

Ikr! :D

[@Seth1459]

Now do an episode to calculate the amount of force Team Rocket would have to get hit by in order to send them flying off out of sight like that and if that amount is even survivable, regardless of falling/landing.

[@dakkath414]

It's definitely not survivable without cartoon physics

[@LRM12o8]

With that kind of acceleration, their bodies would just explode in the real world...

[@_Sparky144]

There's an academic paper on Wailord?! This gives of the vibe of those snimals named after Pokemon!

[@plasmawind3302]

These types of videos really bring me back to watching these as a kid 😭we need more

[@danieldutoit2187]

Okay but here's something I haven't heard anyone mention: could Wailord's "weight" not maybe just be a reading in a scale? That is to say the net force exerted on it by the summation of gravity and the buoyancy force of the surrounding air, converted to mass units. So the fact that its net force is downward already tells us it's heavier than air, but we still don't have its true density.

[@kacpermoranski3175]

It's so old style GT I got intro backlash at 1:03 and I LOVE IT.

[@sillysiblings4834]

ikr!

[@baliyae]

Been a while since we saw a Pokémon theory. This one sounds interesting.

[@Justinderhorrorfan]

3:11 Love the ASPITPAY reference

[@Determan10]

I fully indulge myself in the lore episodes of game theory but man if I don't miss the team busting out pixel measurements 😅

[@dustinroberts6963]

Did you consider Wailord's spinoff game appearances in Pokemon Colosseum/XD, Pokepark, Pokepark 2, and Pokemon Battle Revolution for 3D models?

[@C.B.P.I-agent_472]

Yeah but they might not be 100% consistent

[@KenjiShiratsuki]

I've always assumed that for quadrupedal Pokemon it's talking about standing height from paw to top of the head. I'd be interested to know where other Pokemon like Arcanine and Umbreon end up on the scale. Though I suppose I could just hop into Violet and toss them out at a picnic. The games might change the scale though.

[@stevdor6146]

Umbreon @3'3" and 60lbs, is slightly more dense than Arcanine @6'3" and 340lbs. As size doubles, volume goes up by 2³ = 8x, so a Arcanine with density of an Umbreon should weigh 480lbs

[@rsig1317]

Finally, something that isn't "LOOOOOOORE" on loop for 15 minutes straight.

[@eEePersonal]

Wait, can we assume that Wailord is completely solid, or is there some hollowness within Wailord? Would that affect the density?

[@JonathanBeck_Joo]

The hollowness would affect the density of the flesh of a wailord, but the density is based on the displaced water, so it doesn't matter (unless wailord can replace that air with water).

[@stevdor6146]

Yes, hollow affects density. If wailord swallows a bunch of water, it adds a bunch of "water weight"-mass to its body mass

[@MaxwellGunt-ul2ne]

This is great, it feels like a classic game theory video even though it’s only from 3 months ago

[@Iracondus]

Honestly now I just want a pure Flying Type Wailord regional form

[@skellix_]

i seriously missed these kinds of videos, please make more of these matt

[@kattr00mgacha]

The word length is giving ao3 🥶💯🗣️🔥

[@Matt-ro4qe]

These were the kinds of episodes that have kept me subscribed for all these years!

[@michaeldaniels642]

8:02 (maniacal laughter) he's going to use Sword and Shield! It's the only one with a Wailord of appropriate size

[@mantisvessel7016]

Meanwhile, a to-scale 3D model of Wailord having existed in Poképark since the 2000s:

[@MasNas624]

Yet when you catch a wailord, it shrinks to be smaller. I’m looking at you SWSH!

[@TheAbsoluteMost4972]

At least pokemon legends arceus solved this by saying pokemon can naturally shrink which is ehy pokeballs take advantage of that. I assume warlord shrinks to be more comfortable with its trainer when they travel.

[@MasNas624]

@@TheAbsoluteMost4972 it looks cute even when small at least.

[@quinnbell2388]

Out of curiousity, how does the SwSh model size compare to the size in older 3D games like Colisseum, XD, and Battle Rev? Wailord in those games always seemed absolutely huge

[@JadeTheProtogen1]

Those games are smol i believe. The one you want for comparison would be Pokepark 2 wonders beyonds wailord in the cove area aka the first area. Swim up with Oshawott.

[@quinnbell2388]

I meant comparing the model to the one from the isle of armor dlc that they used for measurements. I remember Wailord being as big as some buildings in Colosseum, XD, and Battle Rev@@JadeTheProtogen1

[@JadeTheProtogen1]

@@quinnbell2388 oooohhhhh okay

[@JadeTheProtogen1]

@@quinnbell2388 I've never played them

[@kyleengelmann4192]

Another point to all this: I feel like in universe the measurements of pokemons' weights would've been done by weighing them in atmosphere, meaning wailord's given weight might just be what's left after accounting for buoyancy from the air, which would mean there's no heckin' way it's lighter than air

[@StackatackaStudios]

0:08 FIRST! Also my bestie Anna, she’s 12 and is 5”10’ she’s TALLER THAN A GODDARN CHARIZARD

[@Im_just_some_guy]

5:53 this is why game theory got famous, the humor is unbeatable. R (radius) H (height) PI (yum) 😂

[@TheMonkeyKing4]

Google PI and you'll be surprised on what you find

[@samanthaharrison6840]

*SPOILERS* (Movie) Vanessa is the same as the daughter and the Vanessa in security break because 1. They all have the same Eye color 2. Looks obviously they *the Vanessa's* look the same 3. In security breach Vanny *Vanessa* glows purple now why would her whole body glow purple if she's just brain washed? Because she's a robot with the daughter of William Afton stuffed inside. Think abt it the books tell us that hyper realistic suits. And in the movie Vanessa says I wouldn't be any help now u may ask why William couldn't control her. its cus she wasn't in the picture also VANESSA IS ALSO WILLIAMS DAUGHTER idk man this could probably be disproven lol

[@nott52]

U should explain the lore of btd6 (bloons Tower defense 6) because it doesn't really explain why the bloons r attacking

[@zackarynott8538]

I agree

[@shayda_wolf]

5:27 wait are you hiring? I’ve got an English bachelor degree. Not much for math and science but if you need a literary analyzer (or over thinker lol) I’m ya girl. (That’s pretty much the ONLY skill I was able to refine in my years in college, that and my writing has gotten better at least lol.)

[@TheJello]

You probably overthought this one because it was just sarcasm. He’s not actually hiring lol.

[@cherryblue3967]

Bro it was a joke😭✋

[@Da_NooB_21]

I love the "Reddit's Accuracy Rose" at 7:25 Great touch

[@LittleJellyHat]

3:12 I thought that this was an ad

[@Furyisdead46]

💀

[@TheJello]

I thought I was watching Jacksfilms

[@SamuelKayode-l9p]

Aspitapy intro easter egg

[@ultra-gamming-2022]

MatPat never fails to deliver an amazing video

[@mightygandalf9208]

You havent even seen the whole thing

[@NickyYey]

Hahahahahahahaha

[@MacheteToothpick]

Here’s a theory: why aren’t creepers hostile in Minecraft Legends, but are in the base game?

[@commonviewer2488]

What if you Dynamax? How will that affect buoyancy?

[@ninjabunny.66]

Dynamax doesn’t actually involve the Pokémon growing. They distort space which makes them look bigger. So depending on how much they distort space either means squat (the air around them also warps and it’s net neutral) or all are lighter than air (That 6 kilo pikachu is displacing a whole buildings worth of air).

[@Ellicess]

I love this! Obscure questions about big video games using real-world science was why I fell in love with this channel all those year ago :)

[@kiracomments-chca2747]

Same

[@madnessarcade7447]

8:40 look to the anime

[@Sleepyhead_037]

Please do a theory on Scarlet and Violet! It's long overdue 😭

[@thajocoth]

Response to your DMV joke: Here in Texas, it's the Department of Public Safety, or DPS, which makes sense since you take psychic Damage Per Second that you're there.

[@ThatPandaSid]

I've got my popcorn ready

[@JumblyRumblyGoose]

I think the reason that Wailord is so light is from moved that calculate damage from weight. If you use that type of move with a 150,000 pound Pokémon, it wouldn’t be that balanced, would it?

[@Speederzzz]

I believe there are brackets and at some point getting heavier doesn't affect damage of (for example) grass knot. But that's based on my gen 4/5 knowledge, maybe it was different in gen 3

[@stevdor6146]

If you are talking about Heavy Slam, its power is capped at 120 base attack if the user is more than 5x the weight of the target. its 120 power doesn't become 'unbalanced' by having more weight, but would increase the number of viable targets if it topped the heavyweight leaderboard