Game Theory: Who Would Win -- Samurai, Knight, or Viking? (For Honor)

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[@NoxMortem]

The Historical Accuracy dropped faster than the French Nobility at the Battle of Agincourt...

[@Marlfox70]

DAYUM burn

[@mohamadameen94]

Ahhh Agincourt...

[@NoxMortem]

Yeah, treating them like Pork Hedgehog was wrong.... Like this VIDEO!!!

[@morsletum5348]

But most of them survived and got killed after the battle.

[@karstencowley6303]

NoxMortem dam son

[@goliathe7654]

"he's got a bow!" "you idiot, we've all got bows!"

[@coolguydoesminecraft]

Hauberk, that is what knights used, good against swords, bad against arrows.

[@Mr-R.R.]

Spartan0941 it doesn't matter if a samurai has a bow or not. A samurai's bow wouldn't have the power to let an arrow penetrate the armor easily at all. Also, knights didn't really carry bows in battle but either way a Knight would have had the most probable chance of winning

[@Mr-R.R.]

Ilsu what is bad against arrows?

[@Lowco5]

Ilsu chainmail is good armor and even then they would wear a padded gambeso/aketon underneath that, wich if properly thickened, could even stop a longbow arrow, not to mention a 60/70lbs yumi bow

[@arx3516]

But in continental Europe there were divisions of specialized mercenary crossbowmen. Knights often profited from the covering fire of large crossbowmen divisions.

[@dodgie]

"These warriors seem mythological but that's because mythology is all people really know" And that folks is how you DO NOT do a research

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

Put it on 500 for ya. I hate unclean numbers lol.

[@jeffreygao3956]

With that logic, how can he expect anyone to take him seriously?

[@ridiculouslyoverpoweredsup4421]

Sorry but have to take that like away.

[@realdragon]

"Viking didn't wear armour" I think chainmail is some type of armour

[@siphesihledlamini2905]

Thank you and he allowed the knights to stay even though they both used chainmail

[@jonajo9757]

In general, they had a fine assortment of armors.

[@tylerdeath3759]

Typicly gamberson aka bio degradable armour(leather being most commen do to if it was properly layered you can be shot with a long bow and not even be scratched) and what ever armour they took from rhe slain...aka chain mail, plate mail and steel weapons...compared to a samurai whos swords were never steel only iron do to poor forging techniques...and whos bows would never be able to even hurt a viking let alone scratch him.

[@jonajo9757]

@@tylerdeath3759 Yeah, this is definitely filled with misinformation. Firstly, yes, japanese swords are steel. They aren't on par with the quality of late european spring steel, but it's still fine quality steel that could be used to make adequate weaponry or armour if you were able to afford it. Plus let's not forget that Europeans of the early middle ages practiced folding steel and pattern welding. Two, that last statement depends as the draw weights of war yumi varied, and we basically don't know the actual draw weight of an 11th century Yumi. Plus the viking period had warbows which were mostly for both use for war and hunting. So you'd get bows around the 90lbs range.

[@jonajo9757]

@@tylerdeath3759 Oh, also you're forgetting type of armour worn, the distance, and other factors. For example, a foot archer is typically used at long distance whereas mounted are a lot more closer, and able to pack a bigger punch at closer distance.

[@bumbumbimbam99]

"Even Skyrim got it wrong" *The entire internet shows up at his house*

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

this entire video is Matpat grasping at straws to make the samurai seem better and that statement was the final nail in the coffin. Call me crazy but last time I checked an atlas of Earth, Skyrim wasn't shown on there. Maybe due to it being a fictional country

[@brightflamed_crusader1452]

Skyrim is a fantasy game. The nords are based off of vikings but they *aren’t* vikings so they can wear horns because it’s fictional.

[@ratboyoftheratrealm5844]

This was probably one of the weirdest things in his video, actually made me mad

[@rederen3350]

I don't want to go r/iamverysmart, but horned helmets would've just made it easier to get knocked off, or if they were attached something nice to hold on to as they slit their throat. Also, there isn't any evidence of horned helmets anyway, so...

[@ratboyoftheratrealm5844]

@@rederen3350 Yes, there usually isn't evidence of fictional characters doing things. I don't want to go r/Iamverysmart, but fictional means not real. Maybe it would be a disadvantage, but it is heavily implied in Skyrim that those iron helmets are a traditional nordic thing many of their warriors have had.

[@kevinoneal9779]

First came Shad, and in his glory, he stood with the knights of old. Then came Metatron, with his discipline and skill, he stood with the samurai of legend. Hark! Upon the horizon! The mighty bearded leader of the savage northmen! *Skallagrim* *****and also Snap, Shad's young squire. He was there too.

[@Chatedh]

Skallagrim wielding 1000 pommels!!!

[@diarmuidbalfe7264]

Kevin O'Neal Hehehehe! Classic!

[@reniorjd]

Kevin O'Neal poor SnapJelly, so easily forgotten.

[@finn87632]

He shalt end them all rightly like the icelandic sagas foretold!

[@kevinoneal9779]

**and also Snap, Shad's young squire. He was there too.

[@wargle2515]

>Extensive research >Wearing Greaves on your arms Pick one

[@kevinoneal9779]

I laughed for a solid minute at this!

[@Silver19897]

Wargle I didn't even notice omg that's great

[@idkm6776]

Wargle research

[@idkm6776]

204 likes , 0dislikes, 4 reply. S Logic

[@dionaeamuscipula6649]

I don't get it

[@remkometkrullen]

As an archaeologist this video clearly demonstrates to me the importance of education and involvement of the public about history and our archaeological finds.

[@OverlordZephyros]

well game theory is just entertainment ... he doesnt have a degree on this stuff

[@kissme1518]

I prefer genetic research rather than word of historians.

[@AB-nr5je]

@@kissme1518 Aaaaand your usage of "prefer" in an issue as complex issue as this earns you the Retard Award 2023! :) Congratulations!!! YOU are RETARDED! :)

[@spilleren9173]

@@kissme1518 I mean, you gotta pick where you trust which. Genetic research is useful at times, but not when you have to find out what sort of equipment vikings had.

[@offside_frag]

@@OverlordZephyros but still he should at least get his facts straight

[@MrArmystrong85]

Skallagrim and Shadiversity: I'm about to ruin this mans whole career

[@1990tcyta]

Metatron join the chat

[@billyng8482]

They destroy this man career with the pommels

[@wintrydolphin36]

For real

[@zankyono8467]

Burger Power they will do it rightly.

[@reio4641]

@@billyng8482 rip samurai then

[@jaketaylor804]

I started laughing when he said that Vikings only wore cloth armour and then he put a picture of a Viking wearing mail and a helmet with a big round shield :) :)

[@JustAnOldBenz]

Plus that pic wasn’t accurate to the timeline he was talking abt

[@jacobjucker341]

@Duckervert knights were the 1% of Europeans and samurai were the 1% of the Japanese. An English peasant won't have mail or plate armor either.

[@jacobjucker341]

@Duckervert there's no point in mentioning that most vikings didn't have that since we're comparing the top warriors from each culture.

[@ireallycant4416]

@Duckervert based on informative history of sweden. Most vikings have shield.

[@ireallycant4416]

@Duckervert the face you be making once ww3 starts

[@Sb_Antimony]

This video: *exists* Skallagrim, Shadiversity & Metatron: So you have chosen death...

[@sirhoward.]

I see your a man of culture

[@razvanel9731]

@@sirhoward. Indeed

[@custodianvrael6471]

Check matt eastons video, thats a beatdown from hell

[@AliAsghar-cv3og]

Not once did he bring up the pommel throw, 100% bullshittery and beta

[@commandergree]

Uhm all Historians

[@bullbegger2281]

so painful to watch. Sad part is people will watch this and believe all the things this video got wrong.

[@fuzi5303]

I did when I first saw it and then through this discovered so much about arms and armour throughout history

[@roujan3063]

Indeed.

[@ydi7438]

@Kalina Ann sad thing is no one will call him out for his false information and pseudoscience based videos.

[@ydi7438]

@Kalina Ann 😂 well said

[@b1oodfistgamer43]

@@ydi7438If you scroll through the comments you can clearly see literally everybody calling him out on it and many have made videos debunking this video.

[@solarixsixfivesix6950]

Actually, everything in this video makes sense. The knights and the vikings obv forgot their shields at home, and the samurai were clearly firing advanced HEAT arrows that can penetrate up to 300mm of steel, so it doesn't matter that their bows only were capable of only 70ish lbs.

[@Janonas]

And we cannot forget that the Glorious Nippon Steel Folded Over 1000 Times can cut throught anything.

[@amwq112]

1000 degree arrow vs knight

[@bluefootgamer7303]

The katana was actually folded over 16 times. It had 1000 layers - it had not been folded 1000 Either way, the samurai are still BADASS!!

[@bluefootgamer7303]

I mean 16 times not over 16

[@modlio745]

lol! Good troll. Have a cookie.jar

[@siarlses]

Matt: The vikings die instantly Vikings: go on to win every single faction war

[@arontuske9348]

@Demiclea But majority of them

[@chewbaccazmzach2752]

This video aged like the Samurai do in faction war

[@rocatiusmatautia-solomona1314]

I figured out the faction war schedule of who wins, firstly knights win less often than Samurai's despite their large presence, a high number of Samurai players play Knight characters however so it's quite random to figure out or pin point knights specific victory frame. Samurai's have more chances of winning faction wars much more during a holiday or weekly/monthly event or around the end of the year, i don't know how. But my theory is that Knights and Viking players are played by people with less time on their hands during the holidays compared to the Samurai's. Vikings commonly win everytime.

[@melissamacdonald7330]

Yes

[@thelistener1252]

It actually how you play the game an how good you are so it doesn’t matter because I win more when I play samurai

[@sold0ut210]

"Hey guys, the knights only have Hauberks because proper armor costs money. That's why the samurai win, because they somehow have money the knights don't have. Also the knights don't use shields." Okay MatPat.

[@terribleauthority]

i think im going to have a stroke, lmfao.

[@Darek_B52]

I know right! He never even bothered to bring up Kite shields or the fact that Knights wore some light armor under their chain mail (forgot what it's called but still come on Mat Pat!)

[@pawhunter340]

Darek Baird they wore gambisens under there chainmale which combine with chainmale can stop arrows people under estimate chainmale a sword can't cut through it its impossible

[@njoYYY]

A sword cant even cut through a well made wooden shield. lol

[@alexanerose4820]

Charging in, falling with great force, supposedly dazed, then shoot in the face. Yeah, mobile firepower beats this guy.

[@californiaball2599]

Matpat after video: I think I did... okay. The history section of the internet: *Cowabunga it is.*

[@thefrozenwarrior2159]

Accurate.

[@Gloin79]

All things I know for a fact are wrong Vikings -quilted cloth is actually pretty effective you you'll be hard pressed cutting through it -Chainmail and Iron helmets were worn by norse warriors - quality swords and dane axes were used by norse warriors Knights -Don't show butted chainmail, please just don't, they wore rivetted mail -knights wore helmets Samurai -Best armour except the huge gaps aurond the armpits -European mail is more mobile and lighter than 11th century samurai armour - I'm not sure but i don't think 11th century samurai armour was made of iron except for the helmet but I'm totally not sure about this one Deathbattle -you think a horse will go down from one arrow? historically they could take a musket shot and keep going -We know rivetted mail could stop saracen arrows wich were shot from similar draw weight bows as the samurai -Knights in the 11th century had shields so they would be able to stop the arrows Seriously this video is so poorly researched it makes me doubt every other video you made If you want sources on any of these facts I'll be glad to give them to you if you comment

[@blamees]

i love you. thank you

[@JoahTheThread5ive]

horses also wore armour

[@hanseirikopsahl720]

Gloin79 also the horses of the knights where faster than japanese horses as the knights horses are from arab breeds that are bigger and faster.

[@MeriadocMyr]

You are wrong about the bamboo armour stuff, in the 11th century, japanese samurai had plenty of acces to iron. and no one had acces to full platemail. Europe being 400 years ahead of asia in the 11th century is completely unsubstantiated. You do know that china inventer gunpowder around the 9th century and the use of gunpowder spread to europe and japan at around the same time (12th century). I do however agree that an arrow could not pierce chainmail with a gambeson underneath.

[@reniorjd]

The Yumi or samurai bow was not close to the bow of a European war bow, only 30 or 70lbs. The long bow was 150lbs and gambeson could even stop a longbow's arrow.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

I hope I'm not the first person to point out how completely and factually Shad of Shadiversity destroyed this video.

[@roberte.o.speedwagon5811]

And Skallagrim as well

[@zombiejaba3935]

Exactly

[@-shura-5515]

Don't worry, you're not.

[@captaincaribbean9792]

We have nearly the same profile pic

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@captaincaribbean9792 We literally do have the same profile pic, mate. They're just centered differently.

[@screenvinylimage733]

i feel like matpat completely forgot that shields could be used to block arrows

[@flavorlessquark8614]

Arthayx L Yeah, but both the knight and samurai have horses, so basically all the samurai has to do is run around the Viking and strike him endlessly with arrow. the knight has a spear, so there you go, Viking is dead anyways

[@Grimjar]

Simple solution.... Stay in a forest. Horses and forest isn't a good mix. People take Vikings for some stupid cavemans.

[@PcGamerHero]

Shields and gambesons. Thick enough cloth armor can block arrows and most swords. Light armor - suck in fiction, awesome in real life.

[@skaudivee]

Even so, in that hypothetical, since range is a samurai's strong point, while of course not infinite, they would have plentiful arrows. And while the horse wouldn't have infinite stamina, it would have more than a person, as they're more often than not, a prey animal in the wild. Used to fleeing rather than fighting. even if they were to turtle mode perfectly and block, what I would imagine to be, around a hundred arrows... the time spent moving to block properly would be taxing. But this is all just speculation.

[@tardigrade4143]

Well That's true.

[@icezem4797]

"The vikings are CLEARLY outmatched" That did NOT age well

[@coolslender9685]

You got me

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

considering it happened a thousand years ago, its more like it cant age well. its simply incorrect

[@luistrejo1970]

The Vikings aren't outmatched, how else did they become personal bodyguards of the Byzantium Empires Emperor? Magic mushrooms can give one great insight into the weakness of the enemies strength and let me say, The Vikings were masters of the Merry ways lol xD

[@frostbitefade424]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 he's taking about the campaigns in the game

[@magnustherad3291]

Yeahhhhhhh I think Vikings are beat when the win every faction war

[@felixsilverberg2611]

Did buzzfeed do your research?

[@joris4235]

Felix silverberg BURN

[@512TheWolf512]

Felix silverberg oooh, so good

[@mikaelv4484]

that would explain why the only non white male won the fight

[@Flansey]

ay lmao

[@imnotcreativeenough7208]

whoever wants medium rare can turn around now cus this is a full on roast BOO YAAAAAAHH!!!! good one mate

[@hobbsy7657]

what's scariest to me is the lack of comment from matpat recognising his mistake . would respect him alot more if he owned up

[@rehwr]

HobbsyYT He actually got salty about it and said he did research until he deleted the comment.

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

Robert Harden Shows how much he cares about it. He should at least fix it in the comments. The better way and probably most wanted is that he makes a update video. Or what also often got requested is that he deletes the video.

[@eduardolopes22]

Kind of lost some respect for his channel (got nothing against him personally), he does this sell out videos, and he (or his team) dosen't even do proper research. I guess Ubisofts money was better then some integrity. What a shame.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Eduardo Lopes Gee some guys in here even defent him calling guys who call him out haters. I mean really I am one of the oldest gametheory fans and I call him out when he goof up, or in this case make the whole video wrong

[@dokonaut]

can someone tell me what this thread is talking about? what mistake? what deleted comment?

[@asharkydude]

The knight section was so painfully short, this whole video felt like matpat was fanboying over samurai

[@witchhunter6755]

That would be because he was

[@tangedy]

yeah I thought so too

[@garthfrench3528]

Ye

[@CornerOfJudgement]

Ima be honest. I'm a samurai main

[@jamiejames416]

plate armour is superior to lamellar armour, and in some cases is lighter.

[@dashl7155]

"When you start to peel back the myths and legends around these warriors and actually look at the facts around them" That one didn't age quite so well considering all the historical inaccuracies in this video.

[@randomguy2023]

Yep

[@Aero3691]

Did...did Matpat forget that SHEILDS exist?

[@livinglifeform7974]

+Black haxoros Not in the timeline they're in. Samurai would have had poor armour back then.

[@livinglifeform7974]

+CobaltBlue The katana was a good sword, it's just not the god of swords like people make out. It had a really good cut, in some cases reported to kill in 1 hit and take down many people with GUNS! But it has many downsides, no handgaurd, no pommel, quite comberson, can't stab and rather short.

[@sinister6929]

Living Lifeform katana can stab

[@Xenolaothe67]

sinister 692 Katana can stab...but can it stab through a kite shield?

[@horvathbenedek3596]

+Living Lifeform You are almost as bad as Matpat in terms of accuracy. I will say it ONCE as a sword enthusiast and mechanical engineer-in-the-making: 1) Taking down people with guns as a swordsman is not the quality of the sword, but the wielder; or more likely, the incompetence of the gunners. Practically any sword can kill in one hit, if the opponent is not wearing armor. 2) It has a handguard, it doesn't have a crossguard; this is important because many European longsword techniques rely on the use of the crossguard for leverage. 3) Not having a pommel means absolutely nothing in quality. It means the sword is not peened, and that the point of balance is not affected by the pommel. For this exact reason, the katana's point of balance if relatively off to the tip, and the blade behaves a lot like a stiff, two handed machete. 4) Cumbersome? Dude, it weighs at most 1.2 kgs! If you meant its point of balance, you are right. But it is by no means heavy. Generally weapons are light. 5) Can't stab? Bullshit. 6) rather short - first time you are completely right! It IS short. Now, what was the ACTUAL problem with a katana: It was made out of pattern welded high and low carbon steel. However, low carbon steel can't be heat treated, which is a process that ultimately makes the blade harder, more resilitent, and most notably, spring. I don't want to go too deep into metallurgy, the point is, the katanas's high carbon edge was neither homogenous (is was fitted inside the softer socket like the maya's obsidian swords - small pieces, one at a a time), nor able to ensure the required elasticity of the blade. So, in short, the katana BENDS when sideways forces apply to it (which is about any strike onto hard material, like dirt, armor, other swords, shields, etc). Modern katana replicas are homogenous steel, and thus don't suffer from these shortcomings, but historically, it is not unheard of that a katana breaks or bends irreparably during a duel, simply due to shitty forge welding or bad materials.

[@arghhhhhhhhnf]

actually why wouldn't the knight block the arrows with his shield?

[@boobio1]

because thats racist.

[@ikemartinmartin8671]

Orthodox35 I under stand if they see it but if they didn't it's rip

[@dutchman767]

well hes on horse back so he can just go in circles around the knight, firing his bow . the knight ist to slow with his heavy armor to block every singel arrow , so he dies at the end

[@darthphantom273]

It's a shield. The arrow hit is back. The Knight probably reached for is shield to protect himself from the arrows. But the shield wasn't on his back...

[@darthphantom273]

It's a fight to the death. People don't think that fast.

[@Criticcizm]

Sounds like you got your information from Deadliest warrior lol.

[@Criticcizm]

Vikings wore mail, no, not butted mail that you can rip apart with your hands. They wore riveted mail, which if you would've done your research, you would know protects them very will. Riveted mail is extremely strong. Arrows or swords can't really pierce it. Dont believe me? Just watch a video on youtube testing how strong riveted mail is, or, you could just do research. Just a theory.

[@seosaidhmaceanruig1024]

Even deadliest warrior got more right than he did.

[@benlin1432]

WiffyLight ,

[@Quincy_Morris]

WiffyLight deadliest warrior is a great show. Unlike this mess of inaccuracies

[@tincano-beans2114]

but is it a poorly researched game theory?

[@LetsTalk-co2lz]

Man, I wonder which faction MatPat likes the most?

[@killcount4750]

Knights

[@gac7324]

Samurai

[@Bear-q3g]

Vikings

[@za.monolit]

your mother,

[@IronDruids]

You really should check out Skallagrims reply to this video, along with others like him in the historical arms and armour/historical combat youtube community. You brought this channels conversation into their wheelhouses and they've brought up some really interesting points that kinda disprove this video. Again, you should really check him out and through him the other youtubers that are also replying.

[@DoktorWeasel]

Yeah, it's a bad time to be putting out poorly researched stuff like this and claim it's a historical analysis. There are actually people who really do understand this time period. There are several major KZbinrs who do exactly this kind of thing. So they can point out all the bad information in here (as can their viewers). I don't know what it is about medieval arms and armor that makes every gamer think they know what they're talking about. No. For people who actually know this stuff you can check channels like Scholagladiatoria (my favorite for swords and weaponry), Knyght Errant (the best for armor), Skallagrim (the most popular), Metatron (I'm not as familiar with him but he does some good work on Japanese arms and armor).

[@logansmith2703]

Iron Druid Shadiversity debunked the knights skallagrim the Viking and Metatron the samurai

[@IronDruids]

+Logan Smith Thanks for letting me know. I bookmarked them already and will be sure to give those video's a watch when I have the time :)

[@IronDruids]

+DoktorWeasel I completely agree with that, and if someone is ever thinking about doing a video on these kinds of subjects it would only be smart to consult/chat with people who know their stuff forwards and backwards. And thanks for introducing me to Knyght Errant, I'm going to be checking him out later :)

[@logansmith2703]

***** Yw bro

[@tripthethird3605]

Knights' armor made them slow? Phillip Augustus was pulled off his horse at the battle of Bouvines by enemy infantry and beaten by their weapons (which couldn't pierce his armor) until his men drove them off before, in the words of a contemporary chronicler, "with his great strength, (launching) himself back onto his horse."

[@RockerMarcee96]

Well if they would have hammered him for long enough (for about 10-15 minutes) he might have died. But it was pretty much required for any knight to be able to vault upon his (or any) horse in full harness.

[@tripthethird3605]

That's my point exactly. Armor is much lighter than you would think. Watch Shadiversity's video on it.

[@RockerMarcee96]

Sam Whoreston I practice HEMA I have worn gear for normative combat (though not mine but it fit me anyway oh and normative combat gear is a good 5-10 kgs heavier than actual field gear) and it's bad in the first few hours but it didn't feel heavy at all. It's hot and uncomfortable but hey it protects you from death. But for example we read Giacomo Di Grassi's opinion on what feats a knight should have we see such as to be able to run fast and for long in harness, vault upon horses, be very quick both on foot and on horse and in general be well exercised. Not necessarily strong as an ox but to be as fit as possible.

[@Legiro]

Are you actually suggesting that a man having a well distributed weight of 15 to 25 kg on his body could be capable of such feats in Medieval times? What a blunder! Next thing you'll say is that modern soldiers are carrying similar, if not bigger, weight and are still expected to walk more than 3 miles without complaining. And even if you do, surely you understand that 15 kg of armour obviously weighs at least 30 kg. Because its armour. Its heavy. And never was designed with ability to move your joints and perform any kind of physical feats. Because knights only fought on tournaments, tied to the horses so they didn't fall. And occasionally died to Black Plague.

[@tripthethird3605]

Legiro [citation needed]

[@AdrielClaflin]

I can hear Skalagrim screaming from here.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

you mean you can hear him.... battlecrying.

[@shrapnellove2224]

The Pommel!

[@AdrielClaflin]

That's what Mat forgot! The age old technique of ending him rightly!

[@ArmouredProductions]

I hope Skallagrim, Shad, Metatron, and others rip this apart. Bout time Game Theory was taken down a notch

[@naoura4939]

My ears are already hurting from it...

[@enclavesoldier8893]

“And past episodes here have shown that knowledge of cultural history can help you win games.” You don’t win much in historical games do you matpat?

[@custodianvrael6471]

Fallout tactics yeah?

[@Rain-73019]

YOU AGAIN?

[@Human_traain]

Elaborate

[@deadmen8698]

He never won any historical challenge, he thought Harold goswinson was a modern military solider

[@enclavesoldier8893]

@@Human_traain Matpat is effectively saying that knowing history helps you win historical games. In spite of this during his video his presentation and research of the history was poor, meaning he probably doesn't win historical games a lot by merit of his own reasoning that historical knowledge helps win historical games. Sorry for saying historical so much lol. Was trying to get it more in layman's terms

[@anthonyolander1065]

so shields dont exist, vikings inhabit an unihabitable wastland, knights don't own horses, and the game isn't set like it is, unless you're a samurai

[@Haos51]

I find it funny how in the game proper, Knights and Vikings are seen with horses, and the Samuai aren't. What's more it appears that they live in a swampish area in the game so they probably don't have any horses with them.

[@clb9935]

Haos51 camargue lifestyle amiright.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Well the thing this theory really underestimates is just how dangerous axes actually are in combat. Battle axes in addition to being able to be wielded with only 1 hand could EASILY deliver enough sharp force to seriously damage chain mail armour and it could easily grapple shields leaving those using a broad shield especially vulnerable to attack. Samurai's and Knights would use swords but I guarantee they would not rely on them in battle, if you use a sword your main aim is decapitation (or to cut flesh, not armour) so your primary weapon would be a polearm or spear variant such as a trident. Then there's the addition of Crossbow's which were extensively used by knights while shortbows were often used by Samurai. To put it simply... The Viking has the means of doing the most damage but the other 2 combatants are capable at keeping their targets at a distance with their primary weapon choice. Between Samurai and Knight the final factor would be a matter of endurance and stamina from the Knight vs Mobility from the samurai but either way it''s likely the looser would die to multiple internal injuries after such a battle.

[@imgunnafuckingkillmyself5151]

vikings also had spears and bows, and their bows had much greater range. they used chain-mail too.

[@Darksky1001able]

Actor Adam Anouer there's a video that shows a person in full plate doing somersaults and cartwheels. There's a lot more mobility in plate armor than people believe. But what I think it and agree is that it does boil down to stamina, luck, the individual fighter, and just who knows how to hit where. A samurai is awesome, I love the knight for I crusade for Holy God, and I admire the Vikings. But as Skallagrim says, there's so much to take into account. You'll never really get a solid answer try as you might.

[@malcolmwright5793]

"The wealthiest vikings wore hardened leather." Mattpat. Where did you do your research?

[@pawhunter340]

Malcolm Wright ikr rich Vikings wore gambisens with chainmale and shield and they even had swords

[@malcolmwright5793]

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest vikings ever wore cuir bouilli, and the wealthiest of them tended to wear.. you know. The armour of the time period. Mail. I don't actually understand where the idea that they wore hardened leather even comes from, because the materials certainly would not survive long enough to turn up as archaeological evidence, and we've had a hard time finding *any* examples of widespread use of leather as armour. I legitimately want to find out what he researched that he could come out the other end with that kind of misconception.

[@legionnairewizeman4604]

Matpat meant the Viking FROM 11 century

[@malcolmwright5793]

Who historically wore mail and carried swords at their wealthiest, rather than being so poor as to barely be able to afford a seax, which by the way, being knives were rather ubiquitous at the time. The idea that leather was the height of their armor is pretty laughable considering almost no one historically used leather as armor, and that there is no evidence to support that assertion.

[@unknowndane4754]

The 11 century is near the end of the viking period so at this point they've already spent 200 years fighting the european, so it would be insanely weird if they didn't know and follow the common military trends of the time

[@Baron_Alice_Stares]

did you just forget that shields exist or what?

[@redeagleprogaming8182]

Jay Red you don't use shileds on horses

[@davidbodor1762]

Of course you use shields on horses wtf is wrong with you? You even have special shields designed for better mounted combat! Not that you need a special shield to be honest because almost any shield will do, especially the king of all shields, the kite shield which was used by both mounted and dismounted knights.

[@intellectualhybrid2]

redeagle pro gaming that's why you have armoured horses

[@Gabdube]

Pretty much everyone in the world that used cavalry also used shields prior to the development of early firearms. The only historical period when professional warriors who weren't archers did forego carrying a shield was the european late renaissance, when bows became obsolete after the refinement of full plate armor. For Honor does not seem to be inspired by renaissance-era warfare (except for the samurai armors and european longswords).

[@connorb3306]

Knights used shields on horseback

[@LordCaric]

I realize this video is four years old, but there's a few points I'd like to add regarding Vikings. First, take away the horse, making everyone even in that regard (if they weren't raiding, they could ride horses into combat). Wealthy Vikings used mail and swords just as often as Knights. The average Viking didn't often wear mail, but neither did the average foot solider a Knight or Samurai would be leading into combat. A Jarl and his loyalists (the same as a Knight is to a Lord) would have used mail, helmets and well-crafted swords. A Jarl paid his men well and gave them gifts. Also, a few successful raids were often enough to purchase these items. They had sturdy, solid shields and were very good at using them. Vikings used bows quite often in combat, as well as spears and javelins. The average soldier was expected to carry a bow and spear when called to war. A Viking could just as easily shoot their opponent or the horse. Good mail can stop arrows and is often worn with padding or a gambeson underneath, which is another layer of protection and better than most people believe. This video discounts the Viking as easily defeated, but I disagree. If Samurai and Knights are wealthy and able to afford better gear, then you must compare a wealthy Viking and not the average farmer going on a raid. A similarly wealthy Viking is vastly superior to what is described here. There's a reason they almost conquered England. Another quick point, Ō-yoroi was not light.

[@The360MlgNoscoper]

Samurai didn't even HAVE chainmail. They didn't have the metal for it.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@The360MlgNoscoper The existence of Kusari-gosuko would disagree.

[@Portalingking]

@@jeffreygao3956loser

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@Portalingking This loser is about to force feed you crow meat.

[@Excaliwolf2]

Mat, watch Skullagrim, and Shadiversity, as well as Metatron. They might have something to say on your argument.

[@Schnitzelwario]

Skullagrim vs. MatPat in a DeadLock that would be interesting ;)

[@awesomecow7264]

Dont forget the other two large medieval KZbin channels, Metatron and Shadiversity!

[@hatskeleton635]

This video's logic: Vikings - Clueless bandits with no tactic or combat training. Knights - Wear metal armor for no reason and shields that are useless. Samurai - Invincible dragon warriors who use swords that are more effective than cannonballs.

[@michaelbrankin9392]

Hat Skeleton! Honestly people forget that Vikings actually wore armor they weren’t running around naked and Knight steel plate armor is hardly limiting at all and they where layers or gambison and chain mail that can stop arrows plus a shield and they trained from age 7 so basically this battle is complete bs and the samurai would not win in a land slide if anything I’m thinking a knight would definitely win

[@Liamvshobos]

And other people are forgetting this is a video game channel. xd you sure you aint just salty you picked the wrong class?

[@jouburt9545]

liamvshobos why would he be salty about that? You can change at any time unless your half brain dead. Also he was trying to prove who would win with true historical facts but got it all completely wrong.

[@TheFerretofEarth]

Michael23 Brankin29 Yeah But Samurai secret weapon is Running away with his fast horse

[@lolwhosjayden217]

Hat Skeleton! I known right

[@badday4885]

This video: All Vikings: armor too expensive All Knights: good armor too expensive All Samuri: only THE MOST EXPENSIVE ARMOR

[@lurg5049]

here why don't I throw in an extra thousand for the Apple horse armor.

[@junyibiolasion674]

Im guessing he just thought you could only be a samurai if you had these sorts of luxuries, but in reality, many samurais didnt actually fight nor were they wealthy by any means

[@Hades-1021]

All Knights: only buy shields and swords

[@dontme6152]

@@Hades-1021 they had a spear for cavalry

[@AkGamerRo]

Knights were GIVEN the BEST ARMAMENT and TRAINING their lord could afford in exchange only for their loyalty. No need to worry about the price of a sword when your boss buys it for you.

[@RyanElliott99]

The knight is a slow tank like fighter. Knight cartwheels towards you in full plate armor...

[@i_love_starwarshookers693]

Saw that vid to😅

[@casanovafiems1508]

Your about to be converted to Christianity.

[@picklejho69]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u3qHWHo85_icU

[@gangrenousgandalf2102]

@@i_love_starwarshookers693 Loved the backflips

[@porterpoteet]

The knight would have won because he would just throw his pommel and end him rightly.

[@Kackpuh]

I see we all enjoy Skallagrim once in a time ^^

[@benscott1951]

Kackpuh the meme will never die.

[@carltonlee17]

Kids, never do this at home alone, even if it's just a pommel of your plastic sword, since pommel itself can cost ten times the destruction of an atomic bomb when thrown rightly. So, be safe, do it with your parents.

[@patrick_stalefish8236]

lol

[@JessidGallardo]

Tommy Gun you sir are a hero

[@Litl_Skitl]

Or the knights could use their SHIELDS.

[@shudini985]

Tygogaming as of talking of 1000 time period, knights were broke af as they were just mercenaries hired to protect castles until the government made them an official army

[@martynkalendar]

We are literally not talking about the 1000 period, we are talking about the 1100s. And knights weren't poor during the 1000s either for that matter.

[@Jim58223]

@Nin Shuhood you sir are a moron

[@KyranSparda]

Shot in the leg, finished with a spear to the face. The end. ;)

[@RockerMarcee96]

To be considered a knight in England you needed 40 pounds of yearly income. To put things in context a full suit of armour would cost you around 5-10 pounds depending on where you buy. The full equipment of a knight cost him around 20-25 pounds with shields, armour, horses and weapons.

[@MafiaKarnickel]

You should watch Shadiversity's reply to this.

[@duchessskye4072]

^Upvote this guy

[@votecthulhu9378]

yep

[@Zaczac111]

Just watched it, and man, dude nails it.

[@solarfry17]

Uglúk yah

[@Nutt_lemmings]

Knights win...im predicting

[@alexweh]

Matpad: its unfair to compair a 15th century knight in full armor with a viking Also: 11th century knight with longsword.

[@olimpiacookiethrower]

"In partnership of Ubisoft"

[@alexanerose4820]

Unless Ubisoft told him to make the samurai win, then no it was not.

[@K-ro7lm]

the legitimatly may have told him to dismiss the vikings, I mean from what i see, most of the youtubers and streamers go viking, and in game its had a big effect on the battle with vikings winning 66% of the time on the map

[@Jack_Arbor]

DunkMaster Funk what game were you playing where there isn't a sea of green?

[@Noobazzah]

The amount of people who are now thoroughly misinformed is kinda sad.

[@dream6562]

Noobazzah he did his reserch tho

[@Noobazzah]

Gerardo Mendez no, he did not. So many things were outright incorrect. For instance, Scandinavia wasn't (and isn't) a frozen wasteland.

[@IrisKatze]

It's alright. I was one of the people who trusted Matpat with this information but then immediately noticed the debunked videos in the recommended list next to this video and got properly caught up. It should be alright. Maybe

[@denogowli]

Actually we have found viking swords from roughly that time period that were made from steel that was stronger than any other type of steel from that time.

[@denogowli]

Also they were NOT a raider society. Most of them were farmers and traders.

[@olaskar156]

Plattfisken and They had these things called shields to block arrows

[@Stonemask5]

You are confusing vikings with nords. Vikings were raiders, but not the nords.

[@DavisSgt]

Plattfisken Crucible steel?

[@Ranieac]

Plattfisken even experienced warriors spent most of their lives not fighting

[@anglosaxaphone672]

Matt REALLY needs ta get his historical gnosis in check. all of them would be pretty evenly matched.

[@dreadnought1240]

repeat after me knights are not slow

[@SiddarthaTB]

DREADNOUGHT oh wear iron all over your body and try to say u r fast and flexible

[@Fishlord136]

Hypnotic Elf 10 they were used to wearing that so it felt to them as if they weren't wearing anything. Also all the weight was focused on the hips so it felt like less

[@aurourus6894]

Full plate armor does not restrict movement or slow you down at all. You can get onto a horse in seconds in full plate and even do back flips. Mail and gambeson is even lighter and still able to block 150 lbs war bows. The bows that samurai used were about 70 lbs.

[@tru8637]

Knights are not slow *Eurt Continues to chant this*

[@glattmasmas1485]

knights were not slow * (thats whats written in metatron's video)

[@akifaiman7388]

So a knight - Shadiversity A viking - Skallagrim And a samurai - Metatron Walk into a bar Matpat: i got all facts wrong

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

MatTwat will never admit to his faults, in fact I think I remember not long after being called out he actually insulted the ppl who called him out on his historical accuracy before he quickly deleted the post so as to not look like the uninfomed immature egotistical moron he is

[@theapproachingstorm2133]

@@GenericUsername-qp1ww Then we have the other egotistical pricks like you, he got stuff wrong oh well, why do you think it's called a theory

[@samasterchief]

@@theapproachingstorm2133 matpat being factually incorrect is not the problem here. What is really bad is that apperently matpat couldn't accept that he was providing false facts and therefor lashed out on people who were trying correcting him. Its embarrassing how childish matpat initially handled the issue.

[@theapproachingstorm2133]

@@samasterchief Yeah, but it's also childish to deal with it in the manner you're dealing with it, in the end none of it matters, he made the video, for debunked, was a bit childish, so what? It legit doesn't affect anyone

[@samasterchief]

@@theapproachingstorm2133 oh definitely. This video was 2 years ago, most people don't really care much anymore about what happened in this video and just joke about it. I was talking about your statement and tried to justify why people didn't like how matpat handled the situation.

[@boreman_rides]

matpat: vikings didnt wear armor documented proof of viking mail armor: am i a joke to you?

[@witchhunter6755]

Yes, you are

[@boreman_rides]

You just had to be that one guy didn't you 😂😂😂

[@witchhunter6755]

@@boreman_rides Deus vult

[@boreman_rides]

@@witchhunter6755 ?

[@witchhunter6755]

@@boreman_rides yees?

[@northstar1727]

Matpat: and the winner is the samurai Historians: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@Rain-73019]

please dont

[@GeraltofRizziaa]

And every single medieval warfare enthusiast on KZbin systematically picked apart the claims made in this video.

[@awesomecow7264]

Well they are historians or what you would call medieval KZbin channels that made their research to try to give accurate historical information about their preferred field of history. They picked it apart due to the point that this video made so many misconceptions placed in Hollywood and the media.

[@marioflyer8819]

Brent Kelley can ya be a bit more specific

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

and oh boy it was glorious

[@kinginthenorth.stark.7616]

"Vikings didn't wear armour and their weapons were terrible" Ummmm "All food and Animals in Scandinavia instantly frozen, so the Vikings had to raid" What? Where the hell did you learn that? "The Yumi bow could easily penetrate a knights armour" .....what...... "Knights didn't wear any head protection" Ok, pls stop, This is getting embarrassing

[@bigge6]

King In The North. Stark. "Thanks God you stop" XD

[@kinginthenorth.stark.7616]

Lol

[@kinginthenorth.stark.7616]

Agreed man.

[@werrkowalski2985]

But of course, in Scandinavia you eat snow and wood.

[@DarkCaptain3]

Hope you know that the neck and under the shoulders, elbows, and knee's were all weak points in the knights armor during that time frame. During that time period also Samurai's did excel at archery. The arrows were not shoddily made either. The knights didn't tend to wear helms unless they were of the Lord class (the ones protecting a Lord). Those knights were fairly more trained and they were not as common. I will say though that the Vikings originally reason for raiding was due to not having plentiful things within their own lands but it later on became something they enjoyed over time so they kept doing so.

[@thenorwegiant-rex6656]

«They had nothing to protect them from arows» shield: am i a joke to you

[@witchhunter6755]

Yes, yes you are

[@christianleitel7906]

It's shield* 😁

[@gamingtriscuit9200]

Yeah like what happened to those? With the shield the knight would have been able to block attacks while trying to take down the horse

[@witchhunter6755]

@@gamingtriscuit9200 as would the Viking

[@christianleitel7906]

@@gamingtriscuit9200 Also knights used horses but Matpat is too stupid to know better

[@senatorarmstrong8960]

“He’s got a bow” “You idiot, we’ve all got bows”

[@holdenk380]

Says you wear greaves on your arms *TRIGGERED*

[@holdenk380]

IT'S GAUNTLETS i think

[@genocidechild9150]

Crawmerax correct

[@maj.peppers3332]

This quite literally triggered me when I heard it

[@ravoln2457]

Or vambrace. Though Im not sure if that term would fit in the time line. Still, a common name for armour of that area of the body.

[@wikieditspam]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. --Attributed to Winston Churchill.

[@GameTheory]

Dear Comments, Let me hop down here and clear up something: Saying that we didn't do research is simply INCORRECT. Both Austin (from THE SCIENCE) and I did plenty of research into the "average" weaponry for each of these three types of warriors around the year 1000. That said, I openly welcome and look forward to watching your videos outlining your research debunking our work -- I'm not above admitting that we make mistakes. But I am sensitive to claims that we didn't research...we do a lot for each episode...but admittedly what we can teach ourselves in about ten days or reading and page hopping pales in comparison with people who have studied this material for years. This is actually a big reason why I often avoid history episodes -- not because I don't enjoy them, but because history as a study is so massive and oftentimes, imprecise depending on the source. Thanks for letting me explain myself. Now, if you'll excuse me...BACK TO GASTER! MatPat

[@DarkLink1996]

MATPAT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!

[@sheenaorten7441]

agreed! also you have to take into account history also depends on perspective. For example in wars, there are different perspectives on who's the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' based on which side you choose will give you different thoughts of the enemy and of the allies. I love learning about history of different cultures and this is probably one of my fav theories yet. I commend your work mat!

[@commanderdestruction2690]

Hi Good theory.

[@do-re-mi-fabeat4449]

yo, mat these guys are just jealous hater bru XD

[@veritastheseeker]

The Game Theorists tea

[@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901]

Remember when MatPat used empirical evidence and not stereotypes? Those were good times.

[@Ezio999Auditore]

i member

[@JimGiant]

Yeah this was before he became Ubisoft's bottom bitch.

[@TomatoBreadOrgasm]

No. That never happened.

[@westy229]

pepperidge farms remembers...

[@panicpillow6097]

indeed, his logic has always been scewed and his premisses have often been straight up false

[@thetalantonx]

Watching Skal's, Shad's, Meta's, and of course The Sword's Path's videos about this has been fantastic. So I guess this served some purpose, even just as fertilizer.

[@bladedoodle]

Mat, you have Metatron, Skallagrim and shadiversity calling you out for inconsistencies. It's not just us nit picky viewers anymore.

[@thechugdude]

bladedoodle just watched all their videos... awesome..

[@markvigaming3648]

bladedoodle they're just nitpicky viewers with small channels, your point?

[@thechugdude]

Mark VI Gaming Nitpicky must be another phrase for historically accurate.

[@markvigaming3648]

gladomi OP used the phrase pal, not me. Besides, if you internet warriors are gonna call someone out for something, call them out on something that matters like the theories he does on science, the world of technology and more recent history that still matters.

[@thechugdude]

Mark VI Gaming He's generally not incorrect when it comes to most of his videos so no one can "call him out" on those. When someone gets their facts mixed up then yes it should be corrected as to not spread falsehoods.

[@bretlynn]

Skallgrim and Lindybeige will hear of this

[@samson136]

Earl Grey Hot shadiversety to

[@samiamtheman7379]

Shadversity already made a response video

[@Dot.17]

Earl Grey Hot Well Izanami and Izanagi will hear about this too

[@nealcleaver9530]

Fear not, for they shall end him rightly

[@justus4justice]

Skallagrim already states in his latest video that he's working on a video about it.

[@SpagTheDwarf]

Shield : im about to end this whole mans theory

[@sntreulfravn2321]

Yeah ikr, vikings be like sheild wall bitch

[@joenuts8312]

@Bug Man That was during the Norwegian invasion of England. Sadly, they lost, but some of them were glorious.

[@sat_gaming5025]

"And past episodes here have shown that knowledge of cultural history can help you win games". Matpat would loose every fight with his bias of samurai, they aren't faster, and knights aren't slower.

[@picklejho69]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u3qHWHo85_icU Proof knights can be fast as hell

[@jamiejames416]

Matpat ignoring that knights were often lords of their own feifdoms with plenty of money to spare

[@Waftey]

And being able to hire militia as grunts to help them

[@patricklevens4751]

Ahhh. No

[@jahnukainen_8912]

@@patricklevens4751aah yes but of course, because blankly stating that something is wrong without explanation, obviously makes you correct.

[@patricklevens4751]

All lords where knights but most knights where not lords.

[@thegeneralgamer4921]

@@Waftey That wouldn't have changed anything, since he didn't include the samuri's grunts either in the battle

[@ArcaneSunset]

so accurate the first 3 vids I see in the suggested videos are debunking videos by historical YT channels, Skallagrim, Metatron and Shadiversity for respectively Vikings, Samurai and Knights. Sorry Mat, this is a mess.

[@chrispy_091]

Not sure I would trust their information anymore than Mat's, except maybe Skallagrim, if only because he uses common sense in the actual function of these weapons and armor than any actual knowledge of how this stuff worked a thousand years ago.

[@JacquesdeJef]

they do better resarcg, they know their stuff their aire hisory geek

[@ArcaneSunset]

Christopher Flores that doesn't make a bunch of stereotypes any more credible. Shadiversity and Metatron have given a verifiable take on the argument, as did Skallagrim. I've studied medieval history and those claims that Matpat made on knights made me cringe so hard... Vikings and samurai too, but my knowledge there gets a bit less accurate and only driven by personal research.

[@ArcaneSunset]

JacquesdeJef well, yeah, pretty much. There is verifiable material one can consult to test those claims and they clearly know a lot of it.

[@chrispy_091]

What is this resarcg you speak of?

[@InvictusByz]

"Their weapons were generally garbage" No. Just no. The Norse were importing steel from Damascus as early as the 8th century, giving them access to the best steel of the time. Your research on this episode is what is garbage. And the Norse did not raid for their entire living, they traded, usually furs, to people farther south. They also apparently made great cheese, as noted by the Viking Cheese making village in Andalusia. Also, the norse did wear god damn armor. They had chain and lamellar (The same basic type of armor the samurai used), both were serious forms of defense for their time. Did you do *any* research? Apparently not since the norse also did have god damn swords. For instance, the Ulfberht, which were definitely not knives. Also, if we are considering from the same time frame, the Knights of the time did not just slaughter the Viking raiders, in fact the Vikings in 867 were laying waste to the Anglo-Saxons in Britain and setting up their own kingdoms. The Saxons had Knights. They still lost.

Accuracy rating: "The Turks are the heirs of Rome"

[@roboparks]

The Norse- Normans were the First to employ as a standard Heavy horse or armored horse. Likely from there travels as mercs to middle east. Persians had been using Armored horse or Catchphraks for 100s of years. Most western European kingdoms were still using light or only the man was armored not the horse.

[@MotRi1986]

I`ll just ad one small thing, the Vikings did in fact use a small sword called a seax, it was in many way just a sidearm that they used almost exclusively in the shield wall, the Roman gladius is in fact a really nice weapon to compare it with. But in this video it is stated that it was a weapon for the rich and that is wrong, it was a really common weapon for all Germanic tribes through out the immigration era and early medieval ages and historians and the Saxons was especially famous for using it.

[@roboparks]

Morten Ringdalen A Sax or Seaxe (Old English) was a tool first before it became a weapon like most barbarian weapon, A Sax can be compared to Bowie Knife about the same length. But the Sax was used for cutting . The Word Sax or Saxon is french. The Germanic word means to cut "Sachsen"

[@thotpatrol5159]

Saxons never had knights. They came after the Norman invasion.

[@celtic7029]

Matpat: vikings only had shields and axes as weapons The ulfberht : am i a joke to you

[@amartyabiswas4972]

You're the first person I've seen in the comment section, who mentioned about Ulfberth

[@celtic7029]

@@amartyabiswas4972 yeah well I've done my homework about history

[@amartyabiswas4972]

@@celtic7029 same here. This theory was disappointing

[@celtic7029]

@@amartyabiswas4972 heh Tell me about it

[@amartyabiswas4972]

@@celtic7029 I'm mildly disappointed that he is just portraying the Vikings as mindless brutes, while the Knight doesn't even gets much of mention. And then starts fanboying over Samurais. I almost started laughing at the end of the video.

[@pfigor]

Moral of the video: You DO NOT mess with the sword community

[@alldayagain]

Or... Don't mess with the History community. They take their stuff very seriously

[@CrystallizedBlackSkull]

Igor Fernandes SWORD COMMUNITY!!! SKALL! SKALL! SKALL! SKALL!

[@RapidNameChange]

Igor Fernandes or they'll bitch, piss, and moan. Sounds like a typical KZbin comment section :)

[@pfigor]

RapidNameChange Of course there is piss and moan, but the majority I see here are facts thrown like a pommel in the face of the sarracens. End inacurate historical facts rightly!!!!

[@nemtudom5074]

I wish this would be as big of a shitstorm as tf2 vs overwatch, i wish.

[@Aramyx]

matpat : I know who would win between a knight a samurai and a viking! Shadaversity, Skallagrim and Metatron: So you chose death.

[@alpakapucuf3394]

(so you have chosen death, i belive, sry for nitpicking)

[@karlmarx3947]

The Samurais are original and primarily an archer cavalry very similar to the mongol and the Huns because they all practice asiatic warfare, So that being said just look at the history, the Huns designate the roman legionaries and the the Mongol butchered the Europeans knights that outnumbered them 10 to 1 in their expedition in Europe. The asiatic archer cavalry warfare is unparalleled only the invention of firearms saw its end

[@brutheius1054]

@@karlmarx3947 that's very misleading to say that honestly. Because the mongols and huns fought the Europeans and Roman's in different manners than the samurai would of. They had a "coward" fighting style that involved tricking into ambushes and forcing falls charges. Saying that the samurai would fight this same way is simply wrong in my opinion, when you look at the mongol invasions of Japan and they did this very strategies to beat the samurai as well.

[@spumeman]

​@@karlmarx3947 actually the european knights performed well against them, it's just that the mongols had superior commanders and tactics

[@Cru128]

The holy trinity of the three classes of warrior.

[@the_knightcatTTv]

Ah yes. That glass horse. They take one arrow and flop. My favorite type of horse.

[@pyrauxe3507]

@@haaaah7 feeling pain and being struck with a disabilitating or killing blow are not the same thing and that goes quite so for horses

[@isaacshefton5835]

Have any of you taken an arrow?

[@the_knightcatTTv]

@@isaacshefton5835 I have during an archery lession

[@isaacshefton5835]

@@the_knightcatTTv whered ya take it?

[@atomicks3467]

They can still run into battle

[@atombossd952]

This video: exists Historians: so I see someone has started to fanboy over the samurai

[@a15godzilla]

"Money is truly the greatest weapon of all"... Makes you wonder how the revolutionary war was won by the colonists... or how Rome fell to pillagers and raiders... or how the samurai struggled with guys in black armed with modified farming equipment...

[@D990990990]

Jacob Worrell he is talking about himself.... no mather what he saysor how much he lies, the add money will still fuell his chanal and he can lie some more

[@1bobbyflower]

Both Great Britain and Rome literally ran out of money...

[@xinweiliu617]

I wouldn't think American can win the war without the French aid, so it is still about money. French support of the Revolution war was in fact a crucial reason that they ended up having a revolution too. They tried too hard.

[@ericm1839]

Jacob Worrell americans didnt fight by the rules of "proper combat" and they were helped by the french for sure.

[@alexebogdan6075]

Jacob Worrell Or how England was invaded and subjected to Danish Law for 30 years. That is a great exemple of vikings vs knights

[@austinsiebenhaar8848]

He brought up batman calling him “samurai batman,” but didn’t say anything about him being called the dark knight.

[@Matthew-qu2yd]

there is a whole movie about batman being a samurai 😂 - Batman Ninja

[@pizzatime1107]

Matthew it’s a pun

[@Matthew-qu2yd]

@@pizzatime1107 was I not adding to it?

[@morgiewthelord8648]

Matthew no?

[@JohnDoe-ic9jv]

Also, don’t forget Samurai and Ninja are two entirely different things. Samurai didn’t like the type of combat the Ninja’s used. They thought it was dishonorable and below themselves. Calling Batman a Samurai is wrong, not only because the movie is called Batman Ninja. But also because Batman’s style of fighting is more akin to that of a Ninja’s. Batman uses stealth and strikes from the shadows. Striking fear into his opponents.

[@newkingdomofprussia9985]

Matpat: Vikings were terrible *Harold Hardrada, Viking King of Norway 1046-1066:* *[Laughs in Money]* *[Laughs in Experience from fighting Arabian Pirates in the Mediterranean, fighting for the Kievan Rus, Fighting for the Byzantines, fighting in the Holy land and much, much More]* *[Laughs in CHAINMAIL ARMOUR]*

[@gipsy_3o3]

Plus didn't Vikings take drugs to enhance there strength also didn't they take pain killers before battles

[@disparatebroom7705]

He overlooked Hardrada, one of the Vikings that had one of the coolest names ever

[@rubam7214]

Why do tell, how did his tale end? Did he die peacefully at an old age surrounded by wealth or did he die a hero's death? Oh wait, wasn't he shot through the neck using a narrow.....

[@cruelfish4824]

@@gipsy_3o3 Bit late reply but that is largely a myth, they only took drugs when they wanted to party, berserkers did probably gnaw on their shields and get wasted before a battle tho, lol. They did drink a lot more milk though which meant they were a bit taller and healthier.

[@gipsy_3o3]

@@cruelfish4824 ohhhh great clear up thanks

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

Ah yes, the dark age of The Game Theorists.

[@lemonslisterine1862]

You forgot the super-effective technique the knights used-- unscrewing their pommel and throwing it towards their enemy. The Samurai wouldn't stand a chance.

[@outstandingdogmarron9890]

Lemons & Listerine they would end the samurai rightly.

[@nomaem3341]

Lol The Pommel of Mass Destruction!

[@sinistertwister686]

thats how they bombed Hiroshima

[@mcsroom8930]

or they can use a shield

[@pacesettenbrino2065]

END HIM RIGHTLY!

[@lordgomez4493]

So you're saying a samurai would go through chainmail with an arrow but a Viking wouldn't with all his strength put onto an axe?... By the way didn't Vikings have bows too?

[@pacesettenbrino2065]

Yeah and Viking bows were good, comparable to later English Longbows (the Kind that can go through improperly made full plate).

[@DanateDMC]

@@pacesettenbrino2065 nah. The longbows are stronger overall. The thing is that people wore armour that could stop arrows so really with a setup like this a knight probably would have won due to having a better weapon. Samurai would get fucked up by the virtue of technology of year 10k b.c. (thick clothing) so a spear with s rage advantage has the highest chance of winning.

[@gizmothepiefaceman3062]

Vikings had pretty much the same equipment as the knights

[@ukiyo1371]

And everyone had shields, so ugh, Vikings and Knights go down by something armor and a shield would stop?

[@mr2incher583]

Samuri are most likely to lose,The real match would be Vikings and Knights

[@MadM0nte]

Wow. Just wow. This I've never seen so many misconceptions put into a single video.

[@masterchief3007]

MadM0nte I have...

[@cinderwood3218]

The problem I have with these videos is it's always "the best potential Samurai (who is already the pinnacle of his nation's warrior caste)" versus the generic European soldier/raider that we'll call a knight/viking

[@A1Bunddyy]

So you’re not gonna mention at all how much stronger and heavier knights swords were? Or that they wore helmets like the samurai? Or that many had kite sheilds that covered from the torso to the knees. The whole reason a shield exists is to protect from swords and arrows. You also disregarded the shield for the Vikings.

[@fransthefox9682]

Knight swords are actually light...

[@fransthefox9682]

@@Monterey96 The majority of knight swords are pretty light.

[@A1Bunddyy]

@@fransthefox9682 they really weren’t. Swinging 40 inch 4 pound pieces of metal is pretty hard especially with the greatsword which weighed 10 pounds with armor. Katanas are shorter and weigh 3 pounds. Also most knights didn’t even carry Longswords they’d carry maces which usually weigh 10 ibs and are about 3 feet long which is still longer than a katana which is a huge advantage. Also the weight is also a huge advantage. Katana weren’t even used by the samurai they’d use long bows and spears which still wouldn’t be able to get through the shields of the knights or armor

[@conor6607]

@@A1Bunddyy Except most longswords are 3lbs on average, with a little under 3 and 3.5 being an acceptable range. Very few actual longswords are 4lbs or higher. The heaviest sword is the Zweihander, and it weighs at most 7.5lbs. Furthermore, this video is comparing the three groups as of their 11th century variations. In which knights were using arming swords which are somewhere between 2-2.5lbs. Maces don't weigh 10lbs and are usually much smaller than three feet, in fact I can't recall a mace at three feet so I would be very interested in the one where you get that number from, so send me a source/link if you can! Lastly, the main weapon of a knight, throughout their existence but especially in the 11th century, is the lance. Knights are like Samurai in that they are elite cavalry usually whom can fight on foot if needed. Maces, swords, rocks, battleaxes, warhammers, and other weapons are generally sidearms to be used once the lance is out of reach, broken, or no longer effective due to range. Now, I do agree with you that swinging around a sword of any size or make is incredibly exhausting. This is coming from someone who trains and practices with real swords frequently. However, the Japanese and Europeans really wouldn't be very different from each other strictly due to sword strength. Cheers!

[@A1Bunddyy]

@@conor6607 although this is true the long sword and even arming swords are leagues better than the katana. Arming swords were double edged and and still longer than the katana. Arming swords were used with shields which is an even bigger advantage.

[@alexanderthelegend]

Vikings actually were more advanced than you portrayed them...seriously they were successful raiders.

[@joe1574]

Not in the 11th-

[@thatoneguy1565]

Yep they made the ulfbert (might be spelling that wrong) wait i am

[@daan626]

@The Anti-CHAD yes but in that time you had only one lord in your environment who has good weapons and his soldiers where just boys with sticks the vikings where succesfull, but that has also to do with their number, their weapons , their opponent and their scaryness . i dont know if they fought good in like big big battles

[@shymebc]

Raiding the poor is vikings strong suit...but war...ehhhhh, there's a reason viking lost *All* their territory in England and Ireland. Their army's were too small and less better equipped compared to what the fyred (hope I spelled that correctly) system that Alfred the great astablished...making half of the population ready for war and with some of the best equipment for the time.

[@redpotato2585]

@@daan626 they did, the only thing stopping vikings are their lack of siege equipment and lack of reinforcements. Also their armies are small bc scandinavia is not that densely populated

[@basedtvrk9125]

I'm not sure if this is the greatest joke of all time, or MatPat just doesn't know history.

[@Lord_Numpty]

Given how poorly he handled being called out, I think he's just a smug idiot.

[@witchhunter6755]

Both

[@MrCanadaben]

@@Lord_Numpty How did he handle it?

[@froggers9096]

Cmon guys, its a 3 year old video. Their work ethic and effort most certainly improved. So lets put this video to rest and just let the comments already talking about that be read by future viewers

[@TheXxdaknessxX]

@@Lord_Numpty yeah, how did he handled It?

[@Distruct10]

Skallagrim is already on his way to debunk this video, he said on fb :^)

[@Ninjamanhammer]

Shadiversity and Metatron already have too.

[@Jonathan-js3vi]

Ninjamanhammer SnapJelly too

[@sindreherstad8739]

It is done :)

[@devreed5931]

So we have the whole trilogy all doing videos

[@thicboibigsmoke7220]

SugarNaught I can debunk it now. If anyone from dark souls (as in a playable character) was in this game, they would win. Think about it, they take down so many huge creatures, and more than one at a time.

[@WankersCramp69]

MatPat: "Samurai would win" Lawbringer: "Allow me to introduce myself"

[@Preytorcam]

*Distant sound* Did you hear that? *Sound flies closer* It can't be...... *Pommel flies by, grazing my beard hair* SKALLAGRIM : Nay! t'is peasant Mat giveths to thou blastphamous wordings! By the grace of Odin thou Mat shalt be perish'ed, thou naughty mushrump!

[@slug524]

Insatiable Chaos *claps*

[@Nverdis]

Omfg I'm picturing that scene right now and it is priceless! Also, I'll have you know that Skallagrim did indeed end Matpat _very_ rightly

[@brodycolvin5992]

Insatiable Chaos I love you.

[@MrFridgeToast]

I love this

[@goodknightunited5918]

Just a warning to anybody who watches this and isn't very familiar with Medieval military history: this video is VERY inaccurate.

[@RockerMarcee96]

up you go.

[@JBergmansson]

It's a shame that MatPat seems to value entertainment and storytelling far above the actual truth these days...

[@unlistedlife4627]

true

[@chickenxdcurry6895]

Good Knight United So who would win in your opinion?

[@konradplatt3833]

for someone who studies history mostly every sentence is a pain...

[@akiwiwithaface8911]

To be clear, ten guys with m16s would not have won the revolutionary war, they would be overwhelmed

[@OriginalDizzleKing]

A kiwi with a face now this is debatable

[@DutchHeathen]

I love how THAT is your objection to the historical inaccuracies here. :P

[@daboss640]

There were around 50 000 British troops, and m16s have a 20 round capacity, so unless each guy has 250 magazines on him...

[@nucleye9515]

A kiwi with a face not if those guys drive tanks

[@DragonHeart53]

True. but scare tactics also play a good part in a war. seeing nearly a dozen guys clear an entire platoon of soldiers, that's gonna get word back to the superiors and things can play pretty differently. Also, most modern assault rifles, including M16s, use a 30 round magazine. infact, most rifles that use the nato 5.56 cartridge all use the exact same 30 round magazine. meaning you can take it out of your m16 and put it into your G36 and use it. or your M4. point is, in any given battle, it's extremely difficult for a combat force with significantly less advanced weapons and armor to actually win in a fight. Sure. Holleywood would like you to think that borderline caveman level civilizations can beat a space fairing civilization in a fight. (looking at Avatar) But it's just not the case.

[@mariagonazalez295]

Did Matpat forget that knights also have bows?

[@jackstorm1014]

I think you forgot to do your research Sir Mat

[@jumpscaretimesanddimension5827]

jack storm I don't understand the hate on this video. (I haven't seen the whole video yet)

[@ATMOSK1234]

Alot of historian youtubers came forward to point out that almost everything in the video is wrong.

[@shadowhunter240]

well, i believe it does get intense when youtubers, who study history get involved. personally i don't know a lot about samurai or viking culture or knights, but i do study medieval weaponry and A) people didn't go bare chest in a fight. especially with the raiders. Please let it be noted, that i love matpat and his vids, but as a guy who studies history and myths, this was one of his worst one. No offense, my fellow fans.

[@BloodyValentineJoke]

he didn't forget it. he saw that it didn't serve his purpose and slowly but steadily killed it by burying it alive.

[@jackstorm1014]

BloodyValentineJoke i like this guy, this guy is nice

[@emm_4595]

The Norsemen had the same chainmail as knights lmao

[@thebigdumb5859]

Not in the 11th century

[@ShadyAnchovy]

@@thebigdumb5859 chainmaile is common armor in Europe since antiquities, what make you say Norseman doesn't have chainmail in 11th century?

[@stix5472]

what about full plate armour huh?

[@rehwr]

@@ShadyAnchovy Dude, iron age Romans had chainmaille.

[@ShadyAnchovy]

@@rehwr that's what I said

[@Yapperdapperdo]

matpat: vikings will be dead because they have bad amor me: do you think they carry shield for looks

[@witchhunter6755]

And the knight had kite shields, very good shields

[@Бћчешц]

@@witchhunter6755 Vikings had the same aromor as knights in that period + Vikings had better sword, VIkings shields is very good if not better then that period kite shield

[@witchhunter6755]

@@Бћчешц kite shields were better at horse back, round shields are better at infantry but both surpass samari, I personally would choose kite as it is larger and more protective, though round shield is still very protective, but not as protective as kite

[@Бћчешц]

@@witchhunter6755 round shiled have centar grips that are much more advantage then kite shiled, i would always go rather for round the kite but still both are great .

[@witchhunter6755]

@@Бћчешц ye, one huge andvantege was the grip and center shield boss, if a heavier arrow hit since it's a grip not a strap then it most likely won't hit your arm, though against a Yumi, I don't think one should worry about arrows penetrating

[@tehziountrain8584]

Alternative: the knight gets back up and says “dis is but a scratch.”

[@Quincy_Morris]

I've been a huge fan of this series but seriously matpat you need to publicly apologize for all the misinformation in this video.

[@alexanerose4820]

People here think they know whe none of us know for sure. It's all one big fad at this point.

[@rossowinch69]

He says 'I know that we live in a day and age, where people are afraid to be wrong' to say thank you to people who apologized to him about the Gaster video, but never once even mentioning this video and its inaccuracies.

[@RockerMarcee96]

We may not know for sure everything, but we know a lot. And MatPat got every single thing wrong in his video that is approved in academia or martial arts communities.

[@Strifegar]

Yep, I have to agree. While he said he did research, its obvious that he didn't.

[@thelordpotatoesorjtswagste1945]

he needs to make a video crediting the people who corrected him and make a new verdict

[@GCurl]

That's even less historically accurate than kids hitting each other with sticks on the playground! XD

[@cool4247]

9:16 You know that if vikings want to invade such a place they would bring siege weapons right?

[@gar0th650]

@@m.m2594 its not sure Ragnar even existed but ok.... You are doing the same as matpat and getting your info from media, but the vikings did raid Paris many times.

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

No BeCaUsE tHeY aRe ToO sTuPiD tO fIgUrE oUt AnYtHiNg AnD tHe TrEeS wErE fRoZeN lOl

[@johnreid2221]

@@gar0th650 Rollo the Walker did exist and he didn't raid Paris but he did form Normandy towns and his off spring a mean like 4-5 generations later had got putt on the British thrown

[@jeffreygao3956]

True but that difficulty of siege warfare is one of the few things this video got right.

[@walledsand]

To everyone whos mad about the outcome "Remember that's just a theory a film theory thanks for not raging

[@kiingelijahh7160]

The Game Theorists: I tHiNk BaTmAn WoUlD bE a SaMuRaI *then sees there is a Dark Knight movie*

[@SheriffOfLoserville]

You know there is a "Batman Samurai" right?

[@kiingelijahh7160]

Sheriff of Loserville yup

[@JS-mb9he]

I mean he was trained by ninjas

[@codandmgsrock]

ok um there IS a samurai batman it wasn't canon in the dark knight canon but idk its confusing but its real

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@@SheriffOfLoserville except Batman has always been referred to as the Dark Knight, if I remember correctly ppl referred to him as that even be4 the first DK film came out

[@chadthundercock4982]

So kids remember. 1. Shields don't exist 2. Vikings lived in a wasteland and could not survive without raiding 3. Vikings went into battle naked 4. Samurai are the only people in the world to have used bows 5. Samurai arrows can go through machine guns and reach the sun 6. Katanas are the greatest ever and can cut tanks in half 7. Viking weaponry was put together by a drunk 4-year-old 8. Knights had swords heavier than Thor's hammer 9. Mail is basically butter 10. BERSERKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@steveman751]

I hate that everyone thinks that large swords are heavy, the bigger greatswords are like 3kg, and can be swung almost as fast as a katana because they generate so much momentum.

[@louisethomas1033]

You are wrong on so many levels.but it's ok matpat is the one to blame ps I like him a lot but he just chose a time period were vikings practically didn't exist

[@randomstranger_3]

This made my day. And you should edit/change "guys" into "kids". That would be hilarious XD

[@Scarlet_moon.]

shield cant protect your horse from arrows,and in combat the one that stays on his horse wins regardless of weapon,true viking had cloths,mostly leather(fur) to keep them warm,but not much protection.And yea chain mail is butter when it comes to protection from longbows,in truth if you stacked paper instead of chain mail of same thickness that paper would provide better protection from arrows and i mean way better.Also if anyone thinks you can block arrows as they come then that guy is idiot,by the time warrior falls from horse and gets his balance back another arrow is already on its way.When it comes to combat,archers on horseback are superior to any other unit,why do you think Chinese built that wall?Archer on horseback are superior to even full armored templar knight,because there is no way for knight in full plate armor to ever get in melee range of archer,and reason for that is simple,archers use lighter armor which is less strain on horse which in turn lets horse be faster and can run longer.You can put all 3 of these against one mongolian archer and he would probably win.

[@Asalieri2]

we're talking 12th century here. Full plate armor came much MUCH later. Gambeson + Chain Mail is more than enough to withstand 12th century Japanese arrows.

[@speedrunningchannelban]

We've got some serious alternative facts going on here...

[@jenprovo9940]

Sverdhugr Kveykva hilarious, but not true

[@Drace90]

Ugh! "Alternative facts" is just a better word for intentionally misleading lies. The worst you could say abut this video is that it's honest but inaccurate. There are worlds between the two terms.

[@thehollowlingwin]

@Drace90 Dude you are trying waaay too hard to defend Matt. You can't even call the video honest cause he claims this is a historical analysis and there are MANY details that are just wrong and don't make sense.

[@potentiallyRealWarrenGraham]

Just because its wrong doesnt mean its dishonest. If I honestly believe 1+1=3, then me saying 1+1=3 is not a lie.

[@speedrunningchannelban]

Jen Provo because Gods not real you freakin mormon!!!

[@kingdice2578]

5 years later and I’m still waiting for a follow up video, taking the characters as they are into account - and also now including the wu lin