Re: HardwareCanucks - $350 vs. $2000 CPU Adobe Premiere Benchmark

[@GamersNexus]

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[@Psittac20]

18:45 back in the day something could tax an internal process such as the fsb while leaving the core untouched, or perhaps the cpu cache or what not. I'm unfamiliar with the architecture of modern cpu's however I'm sure there is some sort of internal speed limit that doesn't show up on task manager. BTW I'm taking a shine to gamer nexus vid's recently as I'm bored with my other tech channels and youtube in general. However "tech Jesus" is filling a viewing niche that I have right now. Maybe when I get my half a basement finished (1/4 of my house) as a lan/tabletop/vr/model area I will need a GN mod mat and a test bench section. Oh the fun things I could do with more space! /end tipsy ramblings edit: have always appreciated the straight forward no BS take on tech edit again: I know your a lone wolf in the vendor world, but if there are some cages you could rattle........ we need reverse flow fans. queue pc011 dynamic

[@noenken]

Would be nice to see similar support for the AMD APUs. But ... we are talking about Adobe, soooo ...

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

so, When will the Render rig update vid be out (grin). I totally get using something that is cheaper and just as fast. Great vids Dmitry and GN crew. B)

[@chriswright8074]

Gamers Nexus Sony Vegas is better

[@debojitmandal8670]

Can u compare igpubof premiere with final cut pro pls

[@optimumtech]

Thanks for making this, I've been saying this for a while and have been receiving a similar response lol.

[@SuperGimpanzee]

The only reason it makes sense is due to the currently inflated prices of other components, otherwise, having 2 $300 cpu render boxes would always win hands down. Even in the current priceing enviroment, it's a close run thing.

[@TheBCProject]

Just wanted to say that I highly appreciate Gamers Nexus and the team behind the channel that works so hard to bring us this content. So Thanks!

[@efernandez2]

I wonder what would happen if Adobe took the same approach with the Ryzen 5 2400g?

[@GamersNexus]

It'd be interesting to see!

[@disk0__]

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[@Weaver_Games]

efernandez2 I can't wait for 2022 when Adobe finally gets around to supporting it!

[@A.Froster]

Weaver Games *2040

[@efernandez2]

Weaver Games Lol Adobe took this much time to optimize for just Intel,. It'll be a long time before they do the same for AMD.

[@__aceofspades]

Dmitry kinda asked for the fanboy war with the clickbaity title. The sad story is, no matter what CPU is better, software can drastically determine your performance, and historically Intel has had the advantage there, for better or worse. People shouldnt be mad at Dmitry or creators that simply buy what works the best for them, they should be mad at companies like Adobe for their software optimizations.

[@J0cK3rFr3aK]

ac3ofspades878 well said

[@foureye7058]

Ryzen has been around for what two years now? And even current Intel architecture traces its routes back to Nehalem, that's an entire decades worth of potential software optimization and bias towards Intel. It's a miracle that Ryzen processors perform as well as they do in general use cases, and productivity. Edit: That is speaking as someone with a Ryzen workstation, but also someone who used a 3770k for five years.

[@Najvalsa]

FourEye One year actually so even more props there, but yeah.

[@SamualWilliams]

There was clickbait?

[@MarceloTezza]

Voice of the reason here people! Great comment!

[@corvaxL]

Have you guys considered testing DaVinci Resolve? It's an up and coming alternative to Premiere that is generally better with hardware utilization and gives considerably faster render times. There's a free version that has most of the features of the paid version if you want to try that.

[@toymachine4253]

I'd like to see benchmarks, though some of the differences may or may not require relearning content creation techniques, which may reduce the benefits

[@Pabula]

Im also interested on seeing Resolve and Vegas into how are the usage of Cuda, Intel IGPU and lots of cores.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

already on it. migrated with version 14. version 15 has fusion integrated which is there version of after effects. used to take 2-3 hours to render videos on my laptop with premier. now takes about 10-15 mins tops.

[@kn00tcn]

heh, 'up and coming' -> version 15 well the free edition is recent at least

[@johnbancroft5242]

I use Davinci Resolve Studio, (currently on V.15) for colour grading and editing, (It's used on many Feature films and TV shows) I currently use an 8 core Intel 5960X overclocked under water to a stable 4.4Ghz, I was going to buy the 16 core AMD Threadripper, but they have announced the release of a 32 Core (64HT) Threadripper 2, that should be released in a few months. 32 cores you say, yes, Davinci resolve is optimised properly and will use all the cores you can throw at it, thats why it is so much faster than Adobe Premiere, (in which numerous test have shown Adobe can't use more that 6 cores at best) don't regret that you spent a fortune on the worst performing NLE, (Adobe P) as long as you are only working on short projects it's fine, but for larger projects in high quality it's far too slow.

[@Xaltar_]

Purchasing should ALWAYS be based on 3 factors: 1. Use Case 2. Research 3. Budget There is absolutely no room for fanboism if you possess a brain and an original thought. What do you need it for? What platform is best for that application? What is the best setup you can get within your budget. There are far too many people in the world that polarize things that really don't need to be polarized. It isn't always us vs them and really, it should NEVER be us vs them. We are not warring cave men, grow up.

[@GameNexusProductions]

What's there to be confused about nexus? Most people were not upset with canucks switching to a intel processor; what people were upset by is why he even made the video in the first place, and titled it in such a way that he did. A title like "ditching RYZEN ..... going back to INTEL" infers there is a major problem with the Ryzen processor, when in reality there isn't it is just crap programming by adobe. I do not believe the content even warranted being created as it is for a single use scenario which is niche at best & doesn't provide any statistical information on its own. The overall approach to the video felt unjustly backhanded towards Ryzen processors for no real justifiable reason other than personal preference.

[@clayallen_art]

The video's title may have "implied" that there may be a problem with AMD that you then "inferred" as an insult to your fanboi'ism (I just made up a word).

[@StreekG]

I think while the video naming could have been more thought out, the video is good as it brings to light the inferior performance with adobe products on Ryzen that people might not have known about otherwise or wouldn't have bothered researching.

[@GameNexusProductions]

Nice job being such a lame fuck to care whether I inverse the meaning of infer & imply, however please do tell me in what way is it that what I said is fanboy hearsay? I would wager that you're simply displeased with the fact I disagreed with either gamers nexus or canucks which is ironically what you just accused me of. I personally don't give two shits about the processor someone uses, I would've said relatively the same damn thing if it were the other way around. What I am not a fan of is intentionally misleading information which can create misunderstandings for the sake of personal gain.

[@GameNexusProductions]

@streekg the video has no statistical data at all. What he stated in the video was that he wanted to switch to intel for reliability, however he presented no evidence for such a claim and if you have ever used premier with both intel chips & amd chips you would know that the program doesn't play nice with any one company over the other. I believe the problem with the application comes from using adaptive programming over multiple threads in order to make compatibility simpler to write. In my personal experience the program stabilizes the more consistent your system behaves, meaning having as little boost fluctuations on the processor and GPU. However there tend to be updates which can just break things for premier for both intel and amd. These are just my personal findings, however you should take them lightly as I have only used premier with about 2 amd processors(1 fx & 1 Ryzen), 1 intel processor (Haswell), and both a gtx 970 and vega 54. I have not tried all variations of cpu and gpu.

[@clayallen_art]

I'm just drinking beers and poking a bit of fun. If you want to put up odds on your wager, Ill double it, as I am not displeased with anything. I saw something that amused me and I commented on it. For fucks sake, my workstation is a threadripper rig and my gaming rig is still a x99. My brand loyalty is to cost effectiveness. If your feathers are still ruffled, well... I don't know what to say.

[@Jdmorris143]

If tech Jesus calls it the American metric system, it is the American metric system.

[@kimh9337]

LoL ... I like that compromise! As long it's a unit that is global recognized and compatible, I don't mind if we call it 'Tech Jesus amount of stacked toenails' :-p

[@CrashPilot1000]

That's what I thought!

[@Bourinos02]

It's good so it must be American, right? ;-)

[@mareck6946]

So Trump is good? Something is wrong here :p

[@russelrenznerosa8969]

lol.. There's a Tech Jesus too? Wow, something will top off Korean Jesus. Duuuuuuuuude!!!! xD

[@diablosv36]

Nevermind AMD users, spare a thought for those who bought into Intels HEDT platform, they spent thousands, and Intel has just pull the rug under their feet with this, the only reason why Intel continues to make moves that is killing off their HEDT platform is because the competition from AMD .

[@aprisia]

If you are not a professional yet you bought a $2000 CPU to render, well, then you are a damned fool. As for the professionals, well, I'd say that you'd have to weigh your overall profit margins with what you have now vs what you can upgrade to right now and do the math. If upgrading right now, once the investment cost is calculated in, makes you more money in the long run, then do it. A professional should never care about his tools except as a matter of taking care of them properly so they can be used for longer.

[@davidwilliamscomau]

The big take away is Premiere is bad at multi core/gpu :) Davinci Resolve has a lovely linear speed increase, runs faster, far far better image quality, is less buggy, and the completely free version is almost fully usable for most use cases. I'm a fan(boy).

[@spencercarruth9706]

Yeah, I really don't understand why so many people insist on using the Adobe Creative Suite. Hitfilm + Resolve is a really nice combo for video editing and FX work, nevermind Blender. Adobe's coding has been shit for years, and I don't know when they will learn this.

[@justinleyba5959]

It's more popular because it has more people using it and therefore has more people and forums to be able to look at for support, tutorials, advertising and more. It makes it a lot easier for people to use if they can reliably look up anything they want on the software.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Seems like Adobe needs Ryzen Specific Optimization. Seeing as AMD took 46% CPU Share with Ryzen 2 it makes sense that they should really add in some high core count optimization.

[@canderson7776]

"Just optimize for more cores lol"

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Christian Anderson True. That would be the best option.

[@Manhunternew]

Christian Anderson That's not the only difference. There are instructions which work better with intel than AMD. But also the other way around, so adobe could optimize for these aswell and ryzen would have same performance

[@oliverjr73]

@nbw doughboy: While Adobe definitely needs to look into some Ryzen optimization as AMD's market share has certainly increased dramatically since the inception of the zen architecture, the statistic you are referencing is untrue (or at least misleading.) AMD took 46% market share of LINUS TECH TIPS users who also used LTT's affiliate link to purchase from Amazon. While AMD is definitely in the conversation now when deciding which CPU you should go for when looking at multi-threaded workloads (and to a lesser degree when looking at single thread workloads,) 46% market share would mark a sea change in the computing industry. AMD has bloodied intel's nose with Ryzen, but soaring to a 46% global market share over a juggernaut in a little over a year would be an unprecedented trouncing. It would be akin to Ubuntu suddenly eating into 46% of Windows 10's install base in the same time period.

[@wile123456]

Oliver duCille AMD is doubling their production all the time, their market share is increasing, not just for Linus viewers

[@StreamerHighlightsSH]

waiting for my 2700x to arrive tomorrow, been using a x58 mobo and xeon 5650 for years now. can't wait to see the performance difference.

[@issaciams]

"Ditching Ryzen... going back to Intel" is a title just asking for the video to get downvotes. Lol honestly I liked it but I get why it would get those downvotes.

[@darklingcorner-yoisakinade7863]

Amd and Intel fanboys are like 2 religions. Use the wrong word and it gets their blood boilin.

[@RealLex]

Hey Steve, Old video I know but it was timely for me. I'm looking at putting together a new PC for my editing (1080 no 4k) would the 8700k still be a good choice or should I look at one of the new offerings? I'm still running a 4770k and a gtx 770 it's served me well but time to move on. Maybe on of the new i9s or a threadripper? Budget is modest. (All in under 3k) got some recommendations for me?

[@breadbuttrjam1604]

Hey, get something with Intel UHD or Ryzen w/ more threads

[@DriftingInRhythm]

"It's one of the few updates from Adobe that doesn't instantly cause crashing and freezes and all kinds of fun... Features..." I love this channel lol.

[@overreactengine]

Hey Gamers Nexus, just wanted to say I really appreciate the little timer bars you guys put on the sides for graphs, and especially for your Ask GN! It's the little things. :) Keep up the great work!

[@vladdyboy2612]

The reason I personally had a problem with Dimitri's video is because of the clickbait and making it seem like Ryzen was at fault instead of Adobe. I had the same issue when he claimed that his Ryzen system was unstable only to briefly mention at the end of the video that a clean Windows install solved all of his issues with the system...

[@Justchuck69]

Same with optimun tech he was thinking that wow this 8700k beat the threadripper but i tried to point out that most HEDT cpu weather Intel or AMD suffer due to poor optimization in Adobe products ! After leaving my links up for 2 or 3 days and he did not address my comment i deleted it and clicked unsubscribe !

[@Phlebz]

"I had the same issue when he claimed that his Ryzen system was unstable only to briefly mention at the end of the video that a clean Windows install solved all of his issues with the system..." this is the reason I don't watch their videos anymore

[@annoyingguyoninternet1631]

AMD does not have anything come CLOSE to quicksync Ryzen sucks at this

[@Kenshin9977]

What about NVENC ? I mainly use Sony Vegas so I don't know if Premiere supports it but since Vegas supports NVENC I'm sure Premiere supports it too. Isn't it faster ? Doesn't it make this comparison irrelevant from the moment you have an NVIDIA GPU ?

[@Silveraga]

Already put a like because your content is always awesome and you guys are making well documented benchmarks! Thanks for your hardwork and continue being the best on youtube, that’s why i support you on patreon! ❤️

[@rhythmcaster2018]

Thanks to the vacuum video. I, for the first time, become a humble Patreon. Love your content GN.

[@rogerlost5851]

The fucking irony

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂 I like how he talks us thru the benchmarks, it sounds like im at the horse track 😏🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎

[@hananas2]

I'm glad you're doing an ad for something not everyone might know about and is actually useful and can improve performance a little bit for not much money at all. Repasted my Dell XPS with kryonaut and now the thing keeps max boost for much longer, very happy for 10 euros!

[@JoeJacksonJr]

@ Steve, if you have not yet checked out Puget Systems website on Adobe Pr performance optimization. Its a good read and has very helpful information. I am rocking a i5-8400 currently but will be getting the 8700k in a few months, the 8700k was not available here when I built my system. What I recommend is a 8700k, 32GB DDR4-3200, NVME for the OS, 1TB SSD for Scratch/Cache/VideoFiles, additional drive for storing finished videos, but still fast enough to export videos over too. If you export 4k to 4k or 1080p to 1080p a GT1050ti 4GB or GTX10606GB is recommended as a 1070 or 1080 will not encode them any faster. However if you down sample 8/6k to 4k/1080p or 4k down to 1080p. Then you will see improvements in speed going to a 1070 and then to a 1080. But those improvements are not huge, but they are still improvements. I myself have the GTX1060 6GB, but would recommend a 1070 8GB for the extra VRAM. VRAM is hugely important and if you run out it will hurt your performance more then anything else during rendering. One of the biggest things you can do to improve performance is to only use the OS drive for OS and Program Files. Keep all the footage your working on, plus your Cache/Scratch Disk folder on a separate 1TB SSD. It does not have to be a ultra fast one, a WD Blue or Samsung EVO will work great, but you do want them on a SSD. Putting your files your working with on that separate SDD can yield performance improvements from 10 to 30% from Pugets Systems testing and from my own use it is indeed noticeable. You will want a HDD to export to or another SSD. I use a WD Blue 3TB (currently) but I would recommend a 7200RPM WD Red if you can get your hands on one. They keep getting sold out here where I live.. As for RAM everyone thinks you need ton of it. No not at all. Most people can get away with 16GB as long as your not say exporting with Media Encoder and working on a Separate Project in Premier. From my experience 32GB is more then enough to have Media Encoder, Premier, Photoshop and a barrage of other programs all open at the same time. More then 32GB is a complete waste..

[@TopCarsTV]

Can we expect Premiere Pro update to work with Ryzen 5 2400G integrated GPU? Would that mitigate the need for 2700X? What if we have 2700X and a dedicated gaming GPU, the board shifts again in favor of Ryzen?

[@Dia1Up]

I didn't thumbed down HWCunucks video for being a fan boy (I have a 1600x), I thumbed down because if that click bait they used. I will say I was blown away by the difference. Very impressive. I wonder if they would enable such a feature on the new APUs

[@Silveraga]

SeenCreaTive wheres the clickbait?

[@davidfuller581]

AMD probably would just leverage the OpenCL/OpenGL performance of their on-die GPU.

[@Dia1Up]

Silveraga on Hardware Cunucks, not GN. "Ditching Ryzen!!!".

[@dickr9345]

SeenCreaTive Seems fairly petty to me. The content is what matters, not the title.

[@SamualWilliams]

There was clickbait?

[@vskye1]

I saw the original video from HardwareCanucks on this, and saved it to my watch later folder cause I found it was interesting and perhaps something I could use at a later date. Bad fan boys. Thanks for the followup Steve!

[@philscomputerlab]

This actually got me thinking, AMD should have some sort of cloud service, letting potential customers install their software, and run their own tests. For example I use the Shotcut video editor, nobody is benchmarking this program, so I have no idea how much of a benefit I would get from upgrading.

[@kn00tcn]

it's free so ask people to benchmark it, i dont want a company cloud service, i want a user community (actually isnt that what userbenchmark is? but i dont know if they curate the app list or anything)

[@Jimster481]

What is this used for? I have a Ryzen 7 and can benchmark for you if you send me files to test.

[@DumpTown]

OUTSTANDING analysis and commentary - thank you, Steve!

[@deemo2075]

I don't understand why you only have 258k subs. Your content is easily some of my favorite in terms of in depth information (though your voice can put me to sleep almost on par with Morgan Freeman :p) and you test things that a lot of others seem to miss. Keep up the great work man. Love the content. I also appreciate the extremely reasonable international shipping rates on your store! Any plans to have some long sleeved shirts made?

[@christopherjames9843]

Steve, I think people called him about because in 2017 he was ragging on Ryzen performance. Being unstable etc... Then it came out Dmitry didn't even do any kind of clean install of Windows. He just took an SSD out of an Intel build and that was it. He finally came clean about it.

[@MustangsbyMatt]

Rest in Peace TotalBiscuit.

[@GamersNexus]

Didn't see this until just now. As we tweeted a moment ago: Total Biscuit was an early, big influence of mine. I saw TB at a local event many years ago. When I asked where he would invest his money if he were a new YTer, he replied, "Audio. People can tolerate shit video, but not shit audio." Brilliant advice. You'll be missed, TB. ^SB

[@nertz4579]

Mustangs by Matt I've been in a internet cave, what happened?

[@keithbrandt2521]

Nertz TB passed

[@nertz4579]

keith brandt Damn. Ty for the response

[@vonkruel]

I hadn't heard about this. I admired his courage and how he continued doing the things he enjoyed. RIP TB

[@splitframe]

12:40 What is the bottleneck in this scenario? It doesn't seem to be parallelisation since on the 4k test the 7980 performed better. Is it the Ram? I just wonder why in this scenario the values are so close together. Are the CPU's under-utilized because of some software limitation?

[@mdh.3421]

What is really frustrating about any of this is we are just an Adobe update away from all of these results being completely different. I want to build a new system but I want an ITX ryzen system and I don’t know what board to buy. So many decisions

[@Justchuck69]

Almost all Adobe software is really old and should be redone from the ground up but that would be costly and time consuming !

[@robertmartin1116]

Fantastic analysis as always!

[@Juggernautdemon]

No, it was due to the clickbait title, which he acknowledged was clickbait.

[@dickr9345]

Juggernautdemon Did you see the comments? Many took issue with the video itself, not merely the title. Calling him an intel shill and implying, or flat out saying, that intel paid him to switch back is not taking issue with the title.

[@Juggernautdemon]

Dick R Well they don’t speak for me, but many people disliked him resorting to clickbait.

[@__aceofspades]

Yup, honestly I and a lot of people could care less which company someone goes with, but when they make jabs at the competition, then youre asking for backlash. Theres always two sides, and reviewers shouldnt be seemingly taking one or the other. Id Steve was hardcore Intel, id unsub, if he was hardcore AMD, id unsub. And honestly, now is not the time for reviewers to throw shade at AMD CPU's, its their first real competitive CPU product in almost a decade. If Dmitry had titled the video 'Why no single CPU is the best at everything'. or 'Best CPU for Adobe premiere', the hate would be negligible. But he made a flamewar clickbait title for views, and he got them, but he also should have expected the pushback from AMD fans. Ps. I am not an AMD, Intel or Nvidia fan, I buy the best for me when I upgrade.

[@SamualWilliams]

How was it clickbait?

[@Zyxlian]

Did the meaning of "clickbait" change, and did I just miss the memo? I don't see any clickbait relating to this video. With the amount of people claiming that the title was clickbait, i'm kinda questioning reality at this point.

[@ttebroc235]

7:59 - GN, Is it worth it to look at the same test but with a Ryzen IGP CPU as well? Or is that not an option that you've cover in the past that I have missed?

[@aiSage48]

I'm interested to see an update of this video with the Ryzen 3000 series (R5 3600 especially).

[@spiritwatcher8880]

Did you end up trying to edit in premiere with an r5 3600? Im in between the 3600 and the i5-10600k

[@claysmagicalland9097]

I've yet to see a presenter/researcher who will explain things so thoroughly and with such gusto as Steve. Kudos to y'all. My new favorites.

[@SnipedGaming]

How would the r5 2400g perform with this new hardware encoding?

[@WoodWorkLIFE]

Use case for multi render would probably be if you wanted to upload to FB, Instagram, and Twitter to promote the YT video. Adobe timeline scrubbing and editing are screwy when you are rendering since it is accessing the same memory needed to edit.

[@WoodWorkLIFE]

Super interesting video, especially the end looking at usage during live playback,

[@TrailFeatures]

I'm switching from Coke to Pepsi.

[@Juggernautdemon]

Trail Features You have lost face.

[@Najvalsa]

Trail Features Don't get carried away now. We're not savages here.

[@ColtonSpears]

Great Decision. Red team just doesn't taste as good to me as blue team unless it's really cold.

[@AlphaCore_]

Trail Features I approve, my son. Keep following the path of light.

[@DookieTwinkle]

NNNNAAAHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@Kabab]

The most goddamn useful video I've been hunting for the past several months. You frikin nailed exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you.

[@vicheaterx]

Boy do we need guys like GN out there testing all this hardware that would otherwise take me days/weeks. Great job! Subscribed, liked, shared.

[@vicheaterx]

2400G would benefit from it's IGP while rendering?

[@enby-girl5020]

The whole fanboy nonsense is so annoying. I've been doing research for my build for several months. When I was leaning towards a 8700K, Ryzen fanboys attacked my forum posts saying the 1700X was "objectively better" and when I was leaning towards the 2700X, folks said the 8700K was "objectively better." It's completely ridiculous. There are benefits to both and it's a tool. I have purchased a 2700X because right now, it seems to meet my requirements but I decide later Coffee Lake or Cannon Lake is better for my use case, I'll switch. THEY'RE JUST TOOLS.

[@MrSamadolfo]

😒 Dont be Fooled, Its a straight up Cult! 😈

[@MohondhaY]

I have also purchased the 2700X this week and one thing that makes me feel great is the fact that I can keep using this motherboard for Zen2 and the the one after that, meaning a cheaper upgrade path! Also seeing the performance boost in Zen+ I can definitely say that the Zen2 will give a massive performance improvement and being able to use Zen2 with my current mobo makes me feel comfortable and happy!

[@arianakhan6665]

Lucinafan1847 ת, *Intel i7* if you're a creative professional on the clock, who uses Adobe, or other commercial suites, wants better hardware/software support. It's the mainstream choice. *Ryzen 7* if you're a software developer or learning to code, running virtual machines, or create films on the lieks of Blender. The average home user/gamer can get away with either, focus on cost to performance imo.

[@CBR600xF4i]

Love Love Love the countdown bars on the graphs!

[@alf_prime]

Hey Steve, did you guys tried other software apart from Premiere for editing the videos? You might get better performance with something like Vegas or Final Cut. Thanks for the videos as always, you guys rock!

[@MrSamadolfo]

Alvaro Claver 😏 Dont u mean Final Cult 🍎 heehee 😁😊

[@BrandonWyrsch]

what a thorough video, you answered all my questions in regards to video editing. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to do this. I've spent hours looking at video's to assist in my next upgrade and this was by far the most influential.

[@Lionheart1188]

What'd you expect Steve? His click baity title was asking for it.

[@topbanana8438]

just ignore the fan club, they buy a ryzen for the future, 1 year after buying the first ryzen lool

[@Atemu12]

13:30 Do you know what the GPU actually works on to cut down the render time by *that* much?

[@jacksylvester4763]

We were annoyed with the choice of a i5 he should have gone for i7 😂

[@arokh72]

Though it wasn't the point of the video, I still got a better understanding of video production out of this video. I was always under the impression it's just a matter of filming the vid, edit out any 'bloopers', and upload. Knowing there are other aspects involved, such as blending, colour correction, sound correction, etc as part of the process was quite interesting. Any chance of having a video dedicated to what's involved, from a tech perspective, in producing quality content such as this?

[@PERSPECKTiVE]

So um... off topic but I can't wait til that Mod Mat arrives to my door. Getting jealous watching these youtubers show it off. BTW thanks in advance for overclocking it with your signature.

[@klobiforpresident2254]

*envious

[@samiyanes1598]

I don't know what took me so long to subscribe. Great videos!

[@dreadswizzard9142]

I never understood why Intel high end cpus have igpus

[@thetrashman5252]

Define "high end" because all their x series cpus including the lowly 7640x and 7740x dont have igpus and neither do their xeons, so really its just the mainstream chips left.

[@J0cK3rFr3aK]

Jesse McCree well said

[@danbodine7754]

Levi Lemke Intel Qvs is awesome.

[@myownsite]

It's quite nice for QuickSync, which has the best quality of the GPU hardware encoders. OBS replay buffer is awesome and more customisable than Shadowplay.

[@osgrov]

You'll be surprised to know that about 2/3 of all PCs are used without a discrete GPU, e.g. running on the igpu. Imagine all the office PCs and stuff like that, none of those will have a GPU of any kind, typically. There's public stats on this somewhere, though I forgot who published it. It's something about market share for GPUs, was posted a few months ago. Intel were like in the high 60s market share whereas AMD and Nvidia were around the 10-20% mark. Pretty crazy.

[@telfer3388]

11:37 - creating proxies from 4k or 6k material from a month long shoot sometimes times couple of days. So a CPU that could create those proxies in the background without hampering the editing (prep fpr the same project or other projects) in the same time would be a huge thing.

[@davidbrenner4161]

This is what you get when a certain fanbase has spent years convincing themselves that their preferred brand is not interested in making money.

[@heckyes]

Yur hex waterfall animations are a bit distracting. I like the blue bar, but the hexagon highlights are a bit difficult to ignore. Great content as always.

[@junkerzn7312]

What I don't like is... so ok, Adobe is accelerating production using a particular iGPU. Why can't it do the same thing on, say, a 2400G ? Or a machine with a low or medium-end PCIe GPU (thus cpu-agnostic)? It kinda smacks of a potential conflict of interest between users and Adobe if Adobe has this kind of feature but it only works on a narrow band of GPUs. I wouldn't want to get myself stuck following on their coat-tails for that reason. -Matt

[@nizamrahman4665]

No one is saying Adobe won't work on it. AMD fanboys should do well ask Adobe to include those APUs as well, rather than bitching at everyone that Intel CPUs gets a good speed bump. Channeling their effort into something productive is better than bitching everyone.

[@Justchuck69]

Most wont be using a laptop too do a lot of video work except in extreme cases ! Most would be using a decent desktop computer for all their work except maybe when traveling or other extreme cases ! They get a kick back from Intel for optimizing for there cpu and integrated graphic chips

[@Najvalsa]

Could you do a PSNR and/or SSIM test with FFmpeg or another tool of your choice, to see how the software encoded and hardware accelerated outputs stack up against each other in terms of quality?

[@TheDalayur]

The fact that you call it fanboysm proves that neither of you realised that people didn’t dislike that video because they only root for the underdog, but because of the wording in the title. It was clearly a clickbaity title meant to provoke a reaction and he got what he asked for. The exactly same video, uploaded with another title, that reflected the reality in the video, that hate would have never existed in the first place. And the people that diskliked that video, were his subscriber base, me included, not a random coven of hateful triggered amd witches. Take notice of what distirbes your fans and be realistic when you post something. Your titles at GN are always on point, you never get that kind of reaction because people know what to expect from the beggining. Also he uploaded that video in the week that ryzen 2 got into stores in many european countries. So people may have perceived it as a bit of an intel sponsorship video. Details make the difference.

[@CoalitionGaming]

Do you know if there is a support list of how old of iGPU is compatible with this new premier feature? I cant seem to find one myself...hmmm.... Would be interested if Ivy Bridge is supported and i can test my 3770k ivy 4-core vs my E5-1650v2 ivy 6-core

[@AFPMPU]

He kinda asked for it. On his first Ryzen vid where he documented his user experience with the platform he's been complaining about how Ryzen is slow and there are hitches everywhere. He tweeted about it more than a couple of times. Only to find out at the end that he didn't do a fresh install of windows. The hitches he said, where eliminated after doing a fresh format. Throughout the process he's kinda making it look like Ryzen is just riddled with bugs until the end when it turns out to be user error. And as everyone is saying it doesn't help the situation when he's putting up clicky baity titles along the way. Click bait titles are the doings of lesser tech channels. I respect and applaud his works on case reviews, but anything aside from that not much. I suggest he sticks to where he's good at. Cause no matter what people say, he is still a tech icon. And whatever he puts out in youtube and social media, his followers including the new ones will see it as gospel.

[@NovaDoll]

I stopped watching after he used an i5 and was about how much better it was. It was confusing as the cheap processor he choose did not match what he claims he needed. I lost alot of respect for him after that and didn't realise he was having windows issues. Also other people who had ryzen claimed they never had these problems. I have the 1700x but don't like premiere for editing 4k video because the time line is stupidly slow compared to using final cut.

[@playmaka2007]

I have some recommendations for your edits in premiere. ProRes or Cineform mezzanine files will usually process much quicker in Premiere than the h.264 mp4 files I see on your timeline. Granted, whatever camera you use may not be able to shoot ProRes, but you may consider having a computer convert those files prior to editing like Linus. Also, a little tip I found for Warp Stabilizer: Premiere analyzes clips linearly when that effect is applied. If you split the clip and apply warp stabilizer to multiple segments at once it will complete faster by using more threads, just make sure you don't apply different crops to each clip by accident.

[@andreaslegomovies]

In my experience (gpu accelerated scientific computing), when nothing else is saturated, the bottleneck is usually memory bandwidth. So more memory channels might show a significant improvement.

[@ig33ku]

1:15 is that an AMTEL Hades NUC?

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

Btw .... It is a software "problem" ! NOT cpu !

[@annoyingguyoninternet1631]

It's quicksync

[@jimichan7649]

@ 11:40 If you have to render 2 things simultaneously, why not just build 2 separate i7-8700K systems? It would be cheaper and faster than 1 i9-7980XE system.

[@tormaid42]

You [Edit: You prospective video editors out there] shouldn’t be using Premere for compressing video for uploading, just making mezzanine intermediaries. x264 is higher quality and far, far more efficient.

[@tormaid42]

Basically, Adobe’s h.264 encoder is optimized for PSNR, not psycho-visual compression, which is good for blu-ray, but bad for the web.

[@GamersNexus]

Our workflow uses Premiere. We don't really care what you think we "should" be using, as it's irrelevant. Also, for KZbin, you'd be hard-pressed to find a difference once you upload the final edit. Unsolicited advice falls on deaf ears when we already have a good workflow.

[@tormaid42]

Gamers Nexus You asked for input from people who work with video. Do whatever you want. I just wanted to share some of my knowledge re: Adobe’s h.264 encoder that a lot of people don’t seem to understand. Perhaps I was wrong to use the imperative, though. I was trying to speak more generally, not tell you what to do.

[@douglasmannor6510]

Gamers Nexus Well said.

[@GamersNexus]

We didn't ask for your input on how to do our work. We asked about what you do.

[@mjc0961]

13:22 - Ouch. I feel that pain. When I upgraded my GPU to a GTX 970 years ago, the editing software I used didn't support that card for CUDA acceleration, so those last two giant bars is what my render times started looking like. Definitely feels bad.

[@b00marrows]

Here's a thought: There's two ways to think of it, "fanboyism" is one yes, but don't put everyone under the same banner. Hating one company dosn't mean you instantly love the other.

[@SianaGearz]

You know what, your sponsored ad almost convinced me to give Cryonaut a shot. I mean MX2 is not the most thermally conductive thing in the universe, but it's just so reliable!

[@parsastrife6629]

The problem with Hardware Canucks video was that he was totally like okay AMD sucks and I don't like it and I'm ditching it. And he didn't speak of how even Intel's own HEDT is a bad deal vs the 8600k. Just look at the video title. I'm pretty sure the video title made some people dislike only for that reason. Other than these reasons his benchmarks were perfectly valid.

[@TheEVEInspiration]

I am wondering why Ryzen based APUs are not a better option for the use case where a typically crappy Intel GPU suddenly seems to shine. Makes me suspicious of Intel paying Adobe to uneven the playing field (as they did with Dell before to bury strong AMD competition and their at the time superior product).

[@SianaGearz]

Intel and NVidia also just have more resources to dedicate to software developers by essentially doing a huge chunk of work for them.

[@BallisticTech]

No he said: "well it's time I'm switching back to Intel now don't get me wrong our entire rising experience we've done so much content around it has been incredible and the amount of time savings we received using the eight core sixteen thread 1700 X monster has been immense in comparison to what I was using in the past with Intel but I think it's time to switch back to Intel see how those guys is doing in terms of stability in particular for Adobe Premiere and that entire suite of applications"

[@TalesOfWar]

He said nothing of the sort. When he moved to Ryzen, it was genuinely faster and smoother than Intel, then Adobe released an update to Premiere that optimised it for Intels QuickSync built into the iGP of their CPU's and the performance balance tipped in their favour. He explained it well enough. He even did a second video showing a more in depth reason with charts and everything for why they moved back. This is an Adobe sucking thing. Blame them, not Dimitri. He just has the fortune of being able to swap back and forthe when one platform is doing better than the other for his workflow.

[@ChristianStout]

What I took from this is that having more and faster CUDA cores is more important than your CPU choice.

[@aminamchannel]

he got a load of shit because of the clickbaity title, reasons were legit though. Havent seen any adobe benchmarks where highend amd cpu's were faster than high clocked intel cpu's. Its just a limitation of adobe's engines.

[@MacherTV]

Very wise words at about 4:40 👍 Best greetings from Austria. 👊

[@watch_todays_noah_jon_kleck_yt]

still, screw elitist intel charging premium for unlocked cpus and sitting on their laurels waiting for amd to do something before they care. now theyre lagging behind allegedly struggling with 10nm while amd is on 7nm

[@foureye7058]

It's unfortunate yeah. They got lazy and when AMD put up instead of shutting up, Intel played their only ace and upscaled the existing platform. They're going to have to put in the same kind of effort to continue stacking up over the next couple of years.

[@dickr9345]

IKR? Like can you imagine if AMD took an R7 2700, threw a factory OC on it, called it an R7 2700x and charged more for it? ;)

[@saladwithsalad]

Dick R Found the salty intel fuck ;) Like can you imagine if intel rebranded Nahalem for 10 years with extremely small performance bumps ;)

[@ericwright8592]

Obviously you know what you need to do next Steve. Live stream a top ten score for overclocking an Intel igpu. Joking aside, I'm genuinely curious if overclocking or changing power limit in XTU would boost igpu acceleration in Adobe Premier.

[@Honeypot-x9s]

Didn’t hardware Demitry use an coffeelake i5 ..? Not an i7...? Demitry’s clickbait is why I was pissed to be honest. And I think he added fuel to my fire when he opted for an i5 not a i7.. it to me made the video feel. completely like he was being a shintel..

[@deepbludreams]

That's how he gets his views, he was begging for a flame war to get views, not the first time he's done that, he's kinda a asshat at times.

[@bobhumplick4213]

how is it clickbait? he said he was switching to intel from amd and he did? what is clickbait about that? and the fact that it was an i5? what does that have anything to do with it? i asked a guy about why all the hate in the comments of that vid and he said "well do you expect when soembody says something so controversial?" how is that controversial? we are not talking about blood diamonds or abortion. the fact is that since youtube mangles the quality of encodes anyway you can make vitually the same quality video with an i5 and quicksync acceleration as a 2700x with a lot less heat and power and cost of hardware in the same time and so they switched to try it out. whats controversial? how is that clickbait? how is that being a shill? so anybody who doesnt jump on the hate intel bandwagon is a shill? come on man

[@React2Quick]

I wouldn't say it was entirely clickbait but Dimitry kind of did bait people in with the way the title was named, it almost implied something is/was wrong with Ryzen.

[@ChrisPBacon9]

bobhumplick dont play dumb you know he did it because he knew it would get people riled up

[@bobhumplick4213]

im not playing dumb i just think people should be able to say what they want. but if he was smart enough to use the rampant fanboyism lately to his advantage then i applaud him

[@fabiovillelaoficial]

I do not understand one thing. Where does Intel's IGP take advantage? A person who owns a pc for video editing usually uses an off board video card to use for example the CUDA Cores in the case of Nvidia. Is there any advantage in having Intel in this case? I had Intel until the end of 2017 and migrated to the Ryzen. I did feel a drop in playback performance on the Timeline and that's why I'm asking. Does Intel's IGP make playback more fluid? Why in the render / export what will be working will be the CPU + GPU or in the case of Intel work CPU + GPU + IGP?

[@alittlelooney5361]

I recently defended another You Tuber from the Intel Mafia who was being relentlessly attacked for switching to AMD because it fit his needs better and I will defend Demitri just as strongly, Fanboyism is a mental disorder.

[@gazlink1]

Alittle I think creators need to realise that it really doesn't matter sometimes when people hit the dislike button, not to the people that watch and use the buttons. Its really not a big deal. It might be to creators for their stats and payment but for people watching its just a button. It means almost nothing. You know yore getting actual hate from e.g. the comments or the content of tweets etc. Pressing dislike or like means not very much to many people, and its very easy for creators to read more into it than is actually meant because of what it means for the profitability of their video.

[@krystian3797]

Alittle Looney I love amd for what they are, the underdog, but they're nice when it comes both to cpu and gpu markets, they care more about innovation than money. But here I am with an i7 8700k because it gives me 5-15% more fps. I am not a fanboy by any means of any company, I just appreciate what amd does and how it does it. But Intel is better for my use case.

[@alittlelooney5361]

Elink1 - The like and dislike ratio does have some effect on their income though. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't like someones opinion for whatever reason. Fanboys of both sides take it way too far. I myself have been critical of a HardwareCanuck video and posted my thoughts but it was an honest opinion because I thought the review was poorly done. The Red and Blue Team fanboys are like Liberals or Conservatives in today's political world, if you say anything that goes against what they feel is gospel you are demonized. There are too many who think they are too smart and couple that with the Red v Blue tribalism and it's a toxic combo.

[@alittlelooney5361]

Krystian - That's the way it should be. I have both Intel and AMD systems, my main rig has a 1600 now and used to have be skylake 6700k. When I changed is was about 6 cores 12 threads for $200 that brought me to the 1600. Blind loyalty to either one of these companies is just plain stupid. Attacking others for making their choice based on their needs is retarded.

[@alittlelooney5361]

Yes I believe it was.

[@JustCantGetRight]

Rendering two things at once has helped me when there's lots of composition to be done. Having all of my overlays/alphas in one clip (instead of 5-10 stacked on each other in the timeline) really helps in making editing smoother. I only do it very rarely though.

[@thomaslangman9216]

I'm too early to know what to say?

[@GamersNexus]

Conventional wisdom suggests "first" is sufficient.

[@Nesformers]

Thomas Langman Just say you're glad that GN uploaded a video and that you look forward to watching it, if that's the case.

[@dickr9345]

Thomas Langman IDK, are you?

[@CustomPCBuilderUK]

Another thing to consider is not everyone has the money to upgrade their CPU every time a product of one company gets an advantage over the other's product, especially those who have recently bought or built an entire new system that's way faster than the 4-5 year old PC they were using before, I think they are happy with what they have and will only upgrade when the system start to slow down and show it's age. Good video.

[@HayateAzekura]

Im very impressed with the use case on the i7 8700k and that use case of that igpu. Wow, very very impressed. This is way better than all that HEDT stuff. Now I am honestly waiting to see how that 8 core coffeelake going to be. Wow!!! Now I am wanting to see how a high Intel core cpu does with an igpu.

[@roikhanulyahamidan9978]

Hayate Azekura intel HEDT CPU doesnt have igp

[@HayateAzekura]

Roikhan Ulya Hamidan i know but I want to see how it will do with one.

[@ColtonSpears]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the 8 core coffee lake hits the same times as the 7980xe while both are OCd. I'm really hoping it's compatible with my Gaming 7 Motherboard.

[@Broxerlol]

Great video as always.

[@mariodrv]

He should have named the video differently to something other than blatant clickbait, like "The benefits of using iGPU in Adobe" or "Adobe lets you use iGPU for rendering now" etc...

[@BulllRush]

Thanks for making this video, it is totally worth the time to show scientifically repeatable results, even if some won't be swayed by those data. One thing I wasn't clear on - if you disable the iGPU does that cause Premiere to put a heavier load on the 1080ti ?

[@jh77sly]

Since I've had to deal with Intel's RMA support (or lack there of) I refuse to deal with them directly for anything. I have no problems buying laptops using Intel stuff as I get support from the laptop maker and not Intel, but since Intel jerked me around and attempted to refuse warranty while also refusing to show me a report as stated in their own RMA support documents at the time (no clue if it's still that way) and only decided to shut me up and send me a good part when I let them know I was a failure analyst at another semiconductor manufacturer means to me that they would give zero cares about end users, but because I work for a global semiconductor manufacturer and may have sway in the company, they decided to shut me up. Bunch of jerks. I've never had any issue with AMD and their support, other than a reply time that was sometimes delayed. I've also found out through other failure analysts in the area that have dealt with and even worked for Intel, that this is actually normal mode of operation for Intel. This is the main reason I refuse to use Intel when building systems for myself or others unless they insist on Intel for their own system and are willing to deal with their support themselves.

[@HayateAzekura]

jh77sly i had no problem with Intel RMA support. I had a bad i7 6700k and sent mine to them. Got another one within a week.

[@jh77sly]

I would hope that their support is like that now, but they took 3 weeks to finally send me the replacement motherboard after receiving the bad one and never provided any proof (pictures) to their claims that I damaged the board. This was 6 years ago though. Things may have changed by now, but I won't hold my breath. I'm just one case of how companies lose customers for life with petty BS. As a case in point, when I had to RMA my Gigabyte motherboard because I was getting excessive voltage on USB ports and non-working ports, they sent me pictures the day they got the board. They had no problem answering questions and providing proof. Intel flat refused to provide any proof.

[@impresum881]

And what to buy now for Adobe Premiere and other programs, video editing? Intel i5 8400/8500 or 2600/2600X ? Thank you.....

[@1.0xY.m0r0n]

Can we just fanboy over the tech rather than the tech companies...

[@mjc0961]

Can we not fanboy at all? Fanboying is being blind to the cons of things you like and blind to the pros of things that aren't the thing you like. Fanboying for Ryzen is just as stupid as fanboying for AMD. Don't fanboy at all. You can have preferences, everybody has preferences, but don't be a fanboy idiot who ignores that sometimes your prefered thing isn't the right thing for a given scenario. And yes I realize "fanboy idiot" is redundant.

[@1.0xY.m0r0n]

mjc0961 calling fanboys idiots is insulting to idiots everywhere.

[@wildmanjeff42]

I agree. buy what you want and be happy about it, be respectful to others' views

[@Neil3D]

I've had this hate. Objective benchmarks on 3D CAD showing Intel outperforming AMD and so many people can't accept it, even in the face of objective facts they'll resort to accusations of fraudulent testing to try and support their narrative. It's both hilarious and infuriating at the same time.

[@TheExileFox]

this should have a very low impact if you use an officially supported card to render instead of some integrated shite (no, geforce or radeon is not officially supported even if they "work". FirePro or Qaudro are pretty much the only series of cards that have official support as well as the grunt to compensate for sitting further away from the cpu cores)

[@matthewfarrell317]

Which is interesting. Because i was doing testing for my new build and I found that the Ryzen 7 was faster for simulations. So am building based on that, as they are my most used case for solidworks. This wasn't online benches. I had the Ryzen and Intel in front of me for the tests. I guess its important everyone does their own tests for each case.

[@TheSailorKing]

Gamers Nexus keep up the hard work and well documented tests, I wanted to ask by using iGPU in Intel platform for hardware acceleration will it lower the quality in comparison of software ? And how much lower will be the performance of the i5 8600K vs i7 8700K with hardware acceleration ?

[@BusbyBiscuits]

Kyle was asking for the hate with the click bait title. Seriously, what was going through his head, and what did he think the response was going to be?

[@CrazyLegsFE]

More testing please! According to the Intel processor page it looks like most processors in the last 6 plus years support quick sync( which according to Adobe is the feature used for acceleration) I would like to see some benchmarks for ivy, haswell and skylake parts using this for comparison. with this enabled does this make the older CPU's more relevant?

[@dimitriid]

Look you made a good case about well, this use case. I can respect that. However, I do get a little bit tired of all the "gaming press" singing the Ryzen praises but still using intel for basically every single personal build because well, those sponsors are more attractive than putting your money with your mouth is in regards to how they truly feel about Ryzen. And last but not least yes: I am afraid that I implicitly trust the opinion of an outlet like yours that makes an effort to remain unbias over the opinion of vacuum salesmen.

[@algis-kun8777]

This is so good, It would be great if we got a PC build video (despite you pretty much defining the specs at the beginning of the video and the article) for this as it is completely interesting, also it is interesting how Adobe has decided to include the use of iGPUs which where mostly unused and how it greatly brings down the video editing workstation price sweet point WAAAYYYY Down...

[@floridaman9968]

I prefer Ryzen because I multitask, lots of browsing tabs, music, etc... If I was a hardcore gamer I would use Intel. I have generally preferred AMD but I dont like the cult mentality of the tech community often.

[@MrSamadolfo]

😒 amd is similar to linux, they are a cult

[@artyknotswastaken]

what about after effects? would a 8th gen i3 be faster than some more expensive cpus?

[@WitchVulgar]

Senpai notice me

[@vapenation7061]

may the tech jesus bless you with his numbers. amen.

[@KahlDragonborn]

Also for ask GN I’ve been running into an issue with my R7 1700 OC’d to 3.925Ghz at 1.35 volts hitting 100% usage and shutting my PC down. This is when I’m downloading an update on WoW or League of Legends, I’ve checked my temps for CPU and it’s steady at 48c or 50c. When I go to Task Manager and go to Affinity and turn 2 or 3 threads off it doesn’t hit 100% usage and works fine? I’ve looked everywhere for an answer and came up with nothing the only thing in common on both games is they are both on my M.2 which is getting into the high 80’s and I have the MSI Carbon MB and figured it could be the sheild over heating the M.2.