Games that Make the Console Look WEAK! - Game Sack

[@ZetZatar]

I have all versions of Virtual Racing except for Joe's Cat... But I'm looking to fix that.

[@hdofu]

How's the donut version handle?

[@aaron_aj_knight_95]

I want the donut version.

[@cocodojo]

Man, you must be able to pull of some sweet donuts with the donut version!

[@illdonproductions5503]

Virtual Hylide...wow... I admittedly wasn't a fan of this channel at first...then honestly, the quality grew on me...you guys are on point...and after seeing the many advertisements you guys come up with, ...gotta give props where they are due. Much success to you both in 2017!

[@GameSack]

Thanks!

[@Tochir0]

wait, can you show me the 32x version again?

[@blakegriplingph]

The Ninja Gaiden Trilogy re-release sure reminds me of those so-called "remasters" of last-gen titles these days. :P

[@Vexonia_Music]

Kinda like what 2K shat out on the 15th with the Bioshock Collection?

[@timhouston8007]

The games in the Bioshock collection looks considerably better than the originals on console. The 60 frames alone is a huge boost. Not to mention it includes all the DLC. NG trilogy is worse than the originals. Bioshocks are clearly better in the collection.

[@Vexonia_Music]

Tim Houston I'm personally referring to the mess that is the PC version of the game. Yeah it does look better (at least when you edit the INI file to turn on shadows that for some stupid reason is turned off by default) and thank god that they fixed the physics so that they don't run at 30 unlike the rest of the game, but they really didn't do much to the game to be honest. Hell, there are a ton more of technical issues with the PC version, and just strange changes like how the first person models are locked at 60fps, while in the original game they weren't locked to a frame rate. I've heard it's good on the consoles, but on PC, it's a fucking mess.

[@otaking3582]

Kingdom Heart 1.5 and 2.5 both feature full 1080p graphics (including the pre-rendered cutscenes) as well as updated textures, character models, animations, etc.

[@DamianYerrick]

Console games are locked to the TV's vertical blanking, which is 60 fps unless you're using SD output in PAL land.

[@friendlyoctopus3512]

That virtual hydlide segment got me so pumped I had to go lift weights for 2 hours to calm down. It is just so real my mind is blown. I got confused and went outside and punched a tree in my yard because i thought it was a treant.

[@H00ps]

I was thinking on getting a ps4, then saw the VIRTUAL HYDLIDE!!!!! game and will now buy a saturn

[@kefkahkefkah]

ps5 bbro

[@L2Nuku]

I see alot of comments of people here making the link of looking weak to being bad, this is not the case per say, looking weak just means they aren't taking advantage of the hardware they're on, they can still be very good games.

[@Goddot]

Probably 90% of Wii games made the console look like it was less powerfull than the gamecube, as many were just adaptations of PS2 games... So there's quite a lot of choice there. XD Even Nintendo themselves were a bit at fault there, WiiSports looks like an early Gamecube game, although it was intentionally kept simple. (the Wii was about twice as powerful as the 'cube. You notice it with Mario Galaxy and Zelda Skyward Sword's graphisms.)

[@qishmish]

twice as? eh? anyway xenoblade chronicles are impressive

[@HardcoreGamer4Ever]

I heard the Wii is built from pretty much the same hardware as the GCN.

[@charliekahn4205]

@@HardcoreGamer4Ever With a few upgrades, like internal storage, added RAM, and a faster CPU.

[@LuisAndion]

Here is my suggestion: 95% of the Wii's library.

[@frankschneider6156]

+Luis Andion, nope. Those games don't make the console look weak. It's just that 95% of the Wii's library are simply horrible games (there are a few gems, e.g. Geometry Wars Galaxies, but they are quite rare).

[@syaifulsaad7178]

fanboy alert! wii library sucks!

[@danm8004]

wiik

[@tightlypackedcoil]

The problem is that the wii is as weak as its library conveys.

[@thefunkdroid2777]

+tightlypackedcoil Super Mario Galaxy is the proof that the Wii was much more capable than the 95% of it's catalogue shows.

[@GamingPalOllieMK]

wow Virtual Hydlide looks AMAZING! I'm trading my Little Samson for it!

[@РогулинАлександр-ш6м]

Little Samson not enough. You need to add Flintstones: Surprise at Dinosaur's Peak also.

[@GamingPalOllieMK]

I would if I still had it :( but I can throw in Panic Restaurent, Mighty Final Fight, Hagane, Rodland(PAL) and a whole bunch of others!

[@McCoy-00]

Add in NWC 1990 or Pepsi Invaders on 2600 for that trade in

[@Kim_Justice]

Oh my god, the Virtual Hydlide bit had me dying.

[@HHog]

Same here, hahaha

[@SargeScum]

The comparison with the super computers LOLLLLLLL

[@thepickles8833]

Virtuoso versus Virtual Hydlide, GO

[@protocetid]

it went a bit too long

[@TheWiddaC]

I actually thought it looked good lol

[@Puremindgames]

I don't even own a Saturn and I want Virtual Hydlide

[@charliekahn4205]

It needs a rebase, but it uses tons of innovative concepts. The engine just couldn't handle it.

[@Fattydeposit]

Bit harsh... Flicky was meant to finally be an arcade perfect port - and it succeeded in its mission. New Zealand Story is the best home version by far. These are 8-bit classics and shouldn't be judged next to, say Gunstar Heroes or Thunderforce IV. Nice episode though, of course.

[@CarozQH]

Yeah, Flicky was released as a budget game in the west, it really didn't need any amazing scrolling effects.

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

as they sqy around the Midway point just because it's a weak game doesn't mean it's a bad game. I think people misunderstand the point of this episode, the point was to illustrate games that did the direct opposite of push a game system. The game does look like fun and it probably is fun but it's a game that could run it on virtually an Atari system

[@Fattydeposit]

cthulhu Pthagn That's a fair point. I guess I've just never thought of those particular Mega Drive games as being particularly bad examples of the console's power. They both run at 60 fps and originate many years before the console existed. The technical jump between, say, Streets of Rage and SOR2 is more impressive to me than any technical disappointment that Flicky and NZS might represent as Mega Drive games, if that makes sense.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

But there's clearly a negative connotation to "games that make a console look weak."

[@Icelink256]

Eh... there's Mappy. It'd be fine on the NES.

[@otaking3582]

The New Zealand Story? Isn't that the game that Guru Larry constantly talks about?

[@HistoryVM]

Yep. It is New Zealand Story is a hit in the EU. The only big problem with the Genesis version is that it seems to be a port of the NES version and not of the arcade version.

[@Hellwyck]

It's a hit in the UK too. There are two arcade versions; Genesis was based on the World version while the UK ports were based on the Japanese boards.

[@kristina80ification]

and the NES version was based on a pre-release board for some reason.

[@RetroClash95]

Wrong. The vast majority of the ports are based on the arcade release, including the nes and amiga ports. The Mega Drive version is based on an unreleased prototype of the arcade game.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

The Virtual Hydlide bit was killer! XD

[@GamersXtreme]

The Virtual Hydlide segment will go down as one of the best Game Sack moments ever! So good, I made it a goal to get Virtual Hydlide for my Sega Saturn 👍🤣

[@AGL57]

This actually made me go and buy myself a copy of Virtual Hydlide :D

[@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00]

"Red heat can kill you." **throws out DVD of the Shwarzenegger movie** Thanks Virtual Hydlide for that essential life tip!

[@theglurgle]

This is one of the most well put together, thought out, well edited channels I subscribe to. You both should be proud, it's criminal your subs aren't 5x higher! Best retro gaming content on KZbin.

[@zendell37]

Definitely the best last lines in a feature length film. "Your yard is awesome!" "Damn right it is." Noice.

[@TheGameChasers]

Only 27 minutes? Unsubbed.

[@GameSack]

Hey it's the guy who nearly got Game Sack cancelled due to the awful ending skit he was in!

[@TheGameChasers]

Game Sack Too bad we failed.

[@GanjsmostPrime]

Could you guys collaborate again but instead of covering games maybe you could just hurl abuse at 8bit Eric?

[@GameSack]

GanjsmostPrime Eric is always in need of some abuse.

[@nathanwarner4584]

Game Sack I know this is over 3 year's old but just in case you do see comments on old videos I just want to know what this is about? Is it a joke I'm not getting as I've only seen about half your videos and so may not have seen the one it's referencing or is this real? Like did this actually happen? Game sack almost getting cancelled because of this guy? And what video is that? Only reason I am interested is because I dont get why anyone would want to cancel game sack or even attempt too do so.

[@Blurgleflargle]

Battle Monsters is one of those games to whip out when having friends and lots of beer around. Lots of fun when you're drunk and need a good laugh.

[@SuperHamsterGaming]

I wonder how many late developed Master System games got crammed on a Genesis cart because it was backwards compatible and the Master System was on its way out.

[@frankschneider6156]

The Genesis was absolutely not compatible with the SMS, at least not out of the box without an adapter. The SMS used an 8-Bit Zilog Z-80 CPU, while the Genesis used a Motoriola 68000. That is even less binary compatible than french fries and horseradish flavoured whipped cream.

[@SuperHamsterGaming]

Frank Schneider You're partially right, and partially wrong. The Genesis does have a 68k CPU, it also has a Z80. Usually the Z80 in the Genesis runs the audio program, but it is also used for backwards compatibility with the Master System. All the Power Base converter does is convert the cartridge shape, and trigger the pin on the Genesis slot that tells it to go into Master System mode. The Master System games run on Genesis's own Z80 with no other conversion needed. In fact if you have a Genesis Everdrive you can load Master System roms right of the cartridge. The only Master System games that won't run on the Genesis are ones that use the SG1000 graphics modes. The SG1000 was Sega's system before the Master System and the Master System was also backwards compatible. The Genesis however does not have SG1000 graphics modes. So yes the main CPU in a Genesis is a 68k, but it does have a Z80 and is 99.99% compatible with the Master System's software.

[@TheDeeplyCynical]

A bit of trivia, Phantasy Star (the first game) had a limited edition Mega Drive release in Japan was just a master system ROM in a Mega Drive Shell. The Z80 CPU took vontrol of the system and ran the game in SMS mode.

[@frankschneider6156]

Super Hamster Gaming First: Great Answer, I obviously didn't know about a Z80 as a Co-processor at the time I wrote the post. So thanks for the info. It actually somewhat explains, why the Genesis is largely quite up to the level of the SNES, despite otherwise weaker specs. But I doubt that the Z80 usually did most of the audio stuff, as it has 2 dedicated processors for that (I just looked that up): a Yamaha YM2612 and a TI SN76489 (probably a DSP). So it seems to me, that the Z80 was indeed included from the beginning foremost with SMS backwards compatibility in mind, but Sega changed the cartridge slot and omitted a card reader to be able to sell an (obviously planned from the start) power base adapter. Sneaky bastards.

[@TheDeeplyCynical]

Frank Schneider The YM2612 was the FM synthesis chip, The SN76489 was a Programmable sound generator used for sound effects and Master system audio the Z80 is used to control both sound chips in Mega Drive games. whereas it can be used as the main cpu when running master system games EDIT The backwards compatability is more like the PS2 where it used the CPU from the original Playstation to control I/O functions but could be used for PS one games as the main CPU and not the Emotion Engine

[@Vectrex4Life]

Funny you guys talked about The New Zealand Story when I just got the arcade PCB of the game in the mail today! I suppose the Mega Drive port does make the system look weak, but graphically it's almost identical to the arcade version. I think it's definitely one of the most unique platformers out there

[@GadgetUK164]

I always love this videos on this channel, but tbh this (and only this) episode seems to have missed the mark I think, Loads of games shown here are really good and Flicky is one of them, and New Zealand Story. I even quite like Athena - it's ironically one of the better ports, but it does suffer from bad hit detection. All that said, maybe they do make the system look weak, but they aren't bad games I guess is what I am thinking.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

I played it a lot on the Amiga. Great game.

[@slucchi723]

the Amiga version was the best one for both graphic and music and yes, it was a hard but fun game

[@Vectrex4Life]

I can agree that the Amiga port is the best of the ports, but it is missing the secret level select and the invincibility debug mode that the arcade version has.

[@Jordykirk]

+GadgetUK164 They did say in the video though that weak games aren't necessarily BAD games. They seem to have enjoyed most of the games they talked about.

[@heardofrvb]

2:12 Oh, and The Simpsons Road Rage and Hit and Run aren't?

[@Skip2TheEnd]

And Prototype, Scarface:The World is Yours, ect.

[@BladeBlur]

funny you didn't mention their best game: Hulk Ultimate Destruction

[@solarflare9078]

I think they meant anything on the SNES. They were also behind a Speed Racer game that ran at 8 FPS

[@lqcrow]

Awww, almost sorry to see Athena at the start because has a special place in my heart as a game my mom and I played when I was a kid. Almost sorry. But really, having played it again recently I can totally agree that it does nothing for the system.

[@abbyandhannahsdad2224]

I played it a lot when it came out but never realized how bad it was till now.

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

Boys play Virtual Hydlide for the first time....and is how they become men.

[@elgoog-the-third]

I'm actually a bit disappointed - I downloaded it recently for the name, but haven't played it so far. It looks like with a bit of optimization and dedication this could have been an impressive title.

[@minhgtr]

Lol virtual hydlide was the best section. My whole household couldn't stop laughing

[@falconxpunch4065]

holy crap!!! a new game sack episode!!!!

[@Iliek]

Right on schedule.

[@seamusboucher383]

Fun fact about Flicky on the Genesis. The cartridge size for it is one megabit or 128 kilobytes, but only 57-58 kilobytes of it are actually used. One mega power was also the minimum cart size for the console.

[@davebladegun3009]

Battle Monsters is actually one of my favorite Saturn games. One of my friends plays it with me for at least an hour every time he comes over to hang out, it's really just loads of stupid fun.

[@GTB-yu2be]

Before I watch this video, I got to say. You guys are my favorite KZbin channel. I've watched most of them multiple times. Some of my favorites, Sega CD, Double Dragon, X68000, After Burner, Outrun, and most recently, SNES. You guys made me appreciate KZbin and realize the hard work that goes into it.

[@GameSack]

Thanks!

[@tetrisdave]

Thank You!

[@JuanJimenez-mf5jm]

Teddy Boy for SEGA All-stars Racing 3!!

[@princessbumbertonsdelight3946]

This guy sounds like Arin from Game Grumps' Mike Matei voice and has the same kind of humor. “Get it together game designers, sheesh!” LOL

[@TheRosswise]

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the phoned-in PS1 ports of Final Fantasy 4, 5, 6 and Chrono Trigger. They were straight ports of the SNES versions, but with a few seconds of FMV and a LOT of lag added. Yeah, I know, ports. But you mentioned Ninja Gaiden Trilogy, and those were almost straight ports.

[@GameSack]

We didn't include any straight ports. Stuff like Ninja Gaiden Trilogy and Flicky had to be completely reprogrammed for the system.

[@robmortimer4150]

I recall ISS on the PS1 was essentially the SNES game, but not sure if it was reprogrammed or a port.

[@GameSack]

Rob Mortimer When it gets to that generation it's hard to say. Those consoles were powerful enough to do straight ports.

[@SotNist]

I played Athena for 10 minutes at a babysitter's house once when I was 6 or 7, and couldn't remember what it was until a few years ago I finally saw the SNK Arcade game Athena on PSP, and realized that was it. All those years all I could remember was the tree boss, an extending boxing glove, anime look, and a female heroine. The arcade original isn't a particularly great game, but it's one of SNK's better, lesser known also-ran games imo. Looks and plays much better than the NES port, but it's essentially the same game.

[@atari-staffroom]

Actual arcade perfect (well near enough) versions of Flicky and New Zealand Story. How awful. lol

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

Joe's backyard is awesome. Can I stop by with a metal detector as well and keep what ever I find?

[@NanaKyoto]

When GameSack goes for the Virtual Hydlide-esque skit, you know you are in for a real treat.

[@iCach0]

The Virtua Racing bit never gets old for me X^D

[@UltimatePerfection]

Any XBLIG game on x360.

[@samhain81]

becoming a patreon simply because of that virtua racing segment made me spill cofee over my lap with lolz

[@10minGameplay1]

Must ...... play ...... Virtual Hydlide

[@qishmish]

just pretend that its Dark Souls port

[@b.o.353]

I owned Insector X back in the day and enjoyed it. Totally forgot all about it though.

[@strawhataddison]

Im ashamed to admit, virtual hydlide looks kind of cool to me...

[@qishmish]

it has "dat atmosphere".

[@Boojakascha]

I feared I was the only one. Maybe playing it is bad, but I really like the look of it.

[@Chaos89P]

Looks better than the NES version, unless it also has saving issues. The choppiness'd grate on my nerves after a while, though.

[@PikaLink91]

Me too^_^

[@Killbomb]

It does look like it would be a decent game if it ran at an acceptable frame rate.

[@paulnewhouse5126]

okay wow i LOVE it when it says, "Mankind was never meant to wield such power!!" hahah i fkin love it!! :)

[@dason5408]

Aww shit I thought I'd be the first commentator

[@wayge]

nothing to worry about. let someone else look like an attention seeking idiot

[@PEACEWALKER1992]

14:22 This had me laughing so hard, when I heard this in the background while I was preparing for work xD It's moments like these, which I always remember, look up in the sky and think to myself: "Thanks Game Sack"

[@stewartbladensb]

I love waking up on a Sunday morning with a full sack. I just stay in bed till it's empty again. 😊

[@protocetid]

This is a topic I wouldn't have thought of myself, wonder what is next.

[@OmegaMaxter]

It's on my "novacore" list to beat Athena Bebe's kids was based off an old fat albert-esque cartoon from the 1992, showing that shovelware will always be shovelware It's funny because Kiwi is a slur for new zealanders. i dont know if it was back in 1990

[@OmegaMaxter]

im just going on what my aussie friend told me. maybe not a racial slur in the same vain as the N word or others people know in the states, but he said they don't like being called kiwi.

[@NefariousWes]

I really liked the idea of this episode, guys. It was great. Man, I remember how much it bothered me that Insector X doesn't have parallax-scrolling! And you guys got me wanting to blow the dust off of Fist of the North Star and give that a shot again. Oh, and I was always curious about Flicky. I'm definitely gonna hafta check it out.

[@Mystemo]

Ninja Gaiden Trilogy is a neat compilation but it feels like Tecmo did everything in their power to ruin it. The controls feel less responsive and some of the graphics even feel like a downgrade from the NES, they even censored the blood from Ninja Gaiden 2 which even managed to make it past the censors on the original NES. But the music was the worst sin of them all! Even the best remixes where inferior to the NES originals and whoever decided to take the 4-2 theme, the most metal song in the entire trilogy, and replace the instruments with a xylophone deserves to be banished into the world of Sonic 06.

[@vittekantilles4178]

Holy crap I haven't laughed this hard for years as when I saw the Hydlide part. Well done guys!

[@lumiere245]

Virtua Racing and Virtual Hydelide have pretty cool aesthetics despite the technical shortcomings

[@lumiere245]

Well, Virtual Hydelide's is unique at any rate

[@JustinLeeper]

The Virtual Hydlide piece was great. Reminded me of Super Mario 2 Hardcore. May want to make it its own video if you haven't already. As for other games that fit this category: Animal Crossing (GCN), Akiba's Trip (PS4), Bonanza Bros (Gen), Quest 64 (N64).

[@adesignersperspective]

I CAME 5,026 TIMES DURING THE VIRTUAL HYDRIDE SEGMENT. OMG.

[@bald_engineer]

Nice job guys. This is one of your funniest episodes to date.

[@BlueNeon81]

You can add any recent Dreamcast game.

[@qishmish]

those are homebews though

[@BlueNeon81]

I accept that, but every Dreamcast owner wants a great game for that console, not just 2D shooters. Many homebrew games for other consoles may push the hardware limits, so why is nobody trying to do so on Dreamcast, too?

[@AenimaEater]

I only want more 2D shooters because they´re my favorite genre ;)

[@qishmish]

BlueNeon81 yeah i m curious how far 3d could be pushed on Dreamcast.

[@DamianYerrick]

Probably because pushing a 32-bit or later console exceeds the budget that a startup of ex-hobbyists has access to.

[@Dragonfire511]

Also wear a Colorful rainbow faerie armor on VIRTUAL HYDLIDE!!!

[@SuperPiposaru]

The moment I saw the thumbnail, all I was thinking was "How dare you! Bebe's Kids is one of the most boundary-pushing games of its generation!"

[@RawrX32009]

💀💀💀

[@sewart]

Regarding Flicky: It seems so basic because it was originally a downloadable title for the Sega MegaNet service in Japan, so the memory footprint was pretty small. That's why it was released as a budget game here in North America. Fun Fact: Sonic 3D Blast (which takes place on Flicky Island) has almost the exact same play mechanics as the original Flicky. Five little birds follow you around which scatter if you get hit, and ultimately unlock the exit to each level. And clearly I wrote this note before getting to the Game Can segment :)

[@geekseyes]

Joe & Dave , this is the first time I disagree with you guys, i think Athena is a great game, its like super popular in japan and other places,,and some people played it on the C64 & ZX spectrum and still love the game, i play it on the famicom and love it. i cant believe you put it on a list with bebes kids. and if you get a chance to play the arcade version of the game you will love it.

[@geekseyes]

ok so i did some digging, wanted to know if the NES version is really that bad and found this "Athena gained some amount of popularity in the West due to it's NES home conversion. Some of the multiple routes have been removed, and the sloppy controls have actually been made worse. Some of the damage has been rebalanced, but you can still find yourself getting massacred within a span of a few seconds. The graphics have obviously taken a hit, although they still hold up respectably, but the same can't be said of the offensive musical soundtrack. Athena is consistently voted one of the worst (and hardest) NES games of all time. It didn't help that much of the appeal behind Athena was ruined by the Western artwork"

[@geekseyes]

wow i guess the nes version deserves to bein this video, now i want to get my hands on a copy and try it.

[@jakublulek3261]

Psycho Soldier is still better game, even more than arcade version.

[@geekseyes]

Jakub Lulek totally

[@jakublulek3261]

For Geeks Eyes Only I like Athena, I played arcade version long, long time ago but Psycho Soldier have 2-players and my second favourite SNK character, Athena Asamiya. But Psycho Soldier never had home console release, only on PSP as Minis.

[@HelloQro]

your cat is the best version of virtua racing by far !

[@loganjorgensen]

Damn, now I kind of want Virtual Hydlide. 9 fps, wow. :O

[@acvieluf]

Apparently, an important strategy in "Insector X" is don't get the S power-ups! Thanks guys, really messing with my "get all the power ups" OCD here.

[@ceverettsmith]

I have the flu and I am on my fourth hour of watching Game Sack videos....

[@tetrisdave]

Hope you feel better soon.

[@Ashamaxa]

Virtual Hydlide... now i've seen everything. Great episode guys!

[@MartyRobinson68]

Bravo on the Virtual Hydlide review!

[@ilikecurry2345]

I'd probably include Mega Man: The Wily Wars, because technically the game looks like a 1989 release despite its inclusion of the 1990-released 3 in this pack. Really, the most technically-impressive thing would be Hyper Storm H and his 2 healthbars.

[@BarneyAnFriends]

Cool a Ninja Gaiden Trilogy on the SNES. I never heard of until now, what a shame that it sucks compared to the originals. 😖

[@tetrisdave]

Yeah and the worst part is it's stupidly expensive.

[@fireaza]

Regarding the pronunciation of "manga" here's how it breaks down. "Manga" consists of three sounds "ま" ("ma") "ん" ("n") and "が" ("ga"). You might recognize two of these characters from your Alex Kidd shirt! Anyway, for pronunciation, here's how they should go. "ma" as "Ma!" like how New Yorkers call their mothers. "n" like the "n" in "net" And "ga" like the end of "Sega". The trick is to remember that each of these sounds are a single syllable. Don't flow them together like we normally do in English (i.e don't turn "ma" and "n" into the single syllable word "man"), and keep the pronunciation the same as when they're by themselves! Ma-n-ga!

[@ShelltoonTV1]

Fist of the North Star has never been treated well in a game format. You guys should take a look at the very first Hokuto no Ken game on the Famicom next time you do a compilation like this... it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[@CarozQH]

But what about the Master System and PS/arcade games?

[@koopakape]

don't you mean KARATE CHAMP

[@WeizHerGigBuddy]

I had Fist of the Northstar on the gameboy as a kid. It was a terrible version of Street Fighter, but I liked it cause it was portable

[@genomaru]

Aside from Ken's Rage, which a lot of people still probably hate because of Musou/Warriors.

[@KaskelotenZebbe]

That Virtual Hydlide segment was amazing!

[@volitionVX]

Joe, I think you made me wanna buy Virtual Hydlide...

[@jstpierre81]

Virtual Hydlide would have been an embarrassment on the 3DO. Speaking of which : the 3DO Doom port is hella offensive and could easily make this list.

[@KWKBOX]

I always thought Nut's N Milk was pretty weak on the NES.

[@GTXDash]

To be fair, that's a pretty old game, something like 1983. According to my research (CoughWikipediaCough) it was the very first 3rd party game released for the Famicom. Nuts & Milk falls in the Pac-man and Mappy category of games.

[@DamianYerrick]

For an NROM-128 launch game, it isn't really too much weaker than Lode Runner or Donkey Kong. And if you like this sort of gameplay, try Zooming Secretary for NES.

[@burnum]

Flicky was also on the Sega Smash Pack along with the Sonic Ultimate Genesis Collection.

[@Optidorf]

I think the best version of Virtua Racing is Joe's cat.

[@anthonyjohnson9088]

please do something on the F.E.A.R series...I have so much respect for u guys the best channel on KZbin hands down!!! Keep up the FANTASTIC WORK,

[@1chiTheKiller]

I totally wanna play Virtual Hydlide now...

[@UnoSquid]

Somehow I knew Flicky was going to be in here. It really does look like a Master System game.

[@stokesa3122]

nO ViBeS nO BeViS nO BeViS nO ViBeS

[@DrMcMoist]

Rules to live your life by, my friend.

[@nolanaubuchon6283]

B E P I S

[@olive2294]

Come on, new zealand story is one of the best game on the megadrive! what happen to you gamesack? the music even in mono is fantastic and the gfx are so cute with good use of colors and the level of details is very good for the megadrive, this game is a lot of fun and in my top 3 on megadrive.

[@atomicskull6405]

Athena is simply what the NES was like without an MMC chip in the cartridge.

[@RawrX32009]

What is an mmc chip

[@0Fyrebrand0]

I feel like a lot of the very early 3D polygonal games on 32-bit systems were exceptionally ugly, even despite them being "cutting edge" when they came out. I can't say they made the systems necessarily look "weak," because horribly blocky, barely-discernable models were the only kind of 3D graphics that ever existed. But coming fresh off the very best late-gen 16-bit 2D sprites, not to mention the 2D games being put out for the new consoles at the time, really made early 3D graphics look awful. It took me a long time before I was sold on the idea of 3D graphics as a valid or desirable concept. I wanted to play games that looked like Chrono Trigger or Symphony of the Night, not fuckin' Virtua Fighter. And visuals weren't even the end of the problems. A lot of early 3D games struggled with the very idea of how controls should work, or how cameras should function. Jumps were floaty and weird. Levels were either really small, or really empty. This is precisely the point where platformers became less about getting through a stage and defeating/avoiding enemies, and more about repeatedly combing every inch of the area for collectable stars/coins/bananas/jiggies. I will ALWAYS deeply resent that movement. Even the big companies like Squaresoft and Nintendo couldn't get through the awkward "3D puberty" phase without some embarassments. Super Mario 64 may still be really fun, and uh... I GUESS Ocarina of Time has some good dungeons if you're that desperate... but graphically, those games have always looked hideous from the day they were born.

[@lalilulelo]

Most JRPGs in PS3 looks like a PS2 game.

[@qishmish]

Dont go too much with exagerrating though. I mean, usually when i hear that someone says "looks like ps2 game" and i check that game and, OMG, looks like ps2 could NOT handle it's models, textures, locations etc. It may still look UGLY and in same time obviously being higher technology wise than ps2 hardware could do >

[@JackieFroSTALKER]

People really tend to forget what games on the PS2 actually looked like. Some of them did push the hardware pretty well but they still didn't look close to the average PS3 games as far as I can think of.

[@slucchi723]

in particular the Nippon Ichi games (like the Neptunia series) have detailed characters but very poorly realizied ambients

[@manaphylv100]

I think the problem with the Neptunia series is the graphics engine they chose isn't the best for the job, but they still look much better than, say, Ar Tonelico 3 and Cross Edge. Maybe they should've gone with cell-shading like the Atelier series, which has pretty nice graphics - especially in the later titles like Rorona Plus and Shallie - and none of the frame-rate issues that plagued mk2 (and Victory to some extent).

[@Shima33BB]

Hey! Don't you dare diss Flicky! That game was my shit as a kid!

[@daywalker3735]

virtual Hydlide > Skyrim

[@MoonSpiritChannel]

Nice yard indeed. Wonder if my yard has any treasures, but probably not.

[@6runge]

Well this is akward.... I Wanna play Virtual Hydlyde noW

[@TyKonzak]

That's a nice yard. You should get some dogs. At least seven dogs.

[@applemctom]

The bonus stage in Earthworm Jim 2 is a direct copy of the bonus stage in Flicky...

[@HHog]

_(Ignore my previous deleted reply, I mistakently thought you meant the actual Flicky game rather then its bonus stage.)_ Mm, it is pretty similar, but on the EWJ2 bonus stage the idea is to bounce the puppies from one side of the stage to the other, not outright catch them.

[@RadioTails]

I would have said it was based on the Fire Game & Watch game.

[@HHog]

True, that or the old "Bouncing Babies" game for DOS.

[@applemctom]

Cool, I didn't know about that DOS game.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

That's nowhere near as bad as Sonic 3D Blast copying the entire Flicky *gimmick* to force you not to blaze through the levels in thirty seconds.

[@dan_loup]

Awesome Possum for the sega genesis. It's an completely awesome product of the 90's made by the very popular company atar...*AHEM* Tengen, and in terms of frame rate it is almost like a 2D VIRTUAL HYDLIDE.

[@RussiaGoodFantastic]

how is Athena a bad game? it looks fine for NES by the way

[@boobio1]

You r right Its not!!! Dave probably touches children.

[@solarflare9078]

Look at "Battle of the Ports - Athena"

[@Swissair171]

For the record, The NewZealand Story was actually ported from the 8- and 16-bit computers of the time.

[@cptnoremac]

I always thought Earthbound looked like an NES game.

[@solarflare9078]

That was what most critic reviewers agreed about the game too, and keep in mind most journalists were pro SNES too. Yeah, graphically, I think Mother 2/EarthBound was quite shit too, and the audio wasn't the best either (Not to mention the slowdown too... I guess it needed some blast processing :p). Final Fantasy 6 destroys Mother 2 in every regard, but it's still a fun game.

[@Gamerguy8585]

Dang i wish i had that bag that pulls out all of those consoles

[@goldenheartOh]

I'm lost. Why was MoonWalker buried in the yard?

[@GameSack]

You got me. I guess my yard just has neat stuff.

[@vuetoob3983]

cause mike is dead and therefore buried.

[@XeviousD]

The definition of a Hidden Jem, explained by using a Metal Detector.

[@StriderRyu7]

There's treasure lying around.We just need to find it....

[@level94836]

I've found sonic and sega all stars racing on DS in a walmart parking lot, nobody was there so like a rebel i took it for myself and it worked i wonder if i just ruined some kids life

[@gammaphonic]

22:22 is the part your looking for.