Giving Games a Second Chance - Game Sack

[@jojobizarre1067]

FFVII: "I think it's almost end of the first cd" Nope, still a long way to go.

[@GameSack]

I found this amusing. KZbin was excited to report an upsurge in activity (which means more engagement and thus more channel growth). Not making this up, too funny! www.joeredifer.com/crap/dislikes.png EDIT: I imagine that probably 7 to 10 of those come from regular "dislikers" who thumbs down every video we put out just because we're us and they don't like us for whatever reason. We're used to it. The rest of y'all probably did it because we didn't like a game as much as you think we should, and that is also amusing.

[@prufrockrenegade]

Your like to dislike ratio is great on this video though, just like all your other videos. Keep up the good work, we all really appreciate it!

[@Serros13]

Don't pay attention to fanboys Joe, they're minority. The majority of your fans are mature thinking people who accept your opinion and appreciate the fact that you and Dave are not making click-bait garbage videos. Keep it up!

[@jotabe777]

It´s funny, guys. I almost totally disagree with your opinions about this games, but I really appreciate and respect them. Your gaming channel is amazing, thanks for sharing and keep up the good work.

[@buttpaste]

You should try Legend of Kage 2 on DS, it's really good.

[@GameSack]

lastusableusername I got that one brand new for $10 not long after it came out. It wasn't bad but I didn't get much further than... I wanna say maybe the 8th level? I can't really be sure, I'm only guessing.

[@jimmychongo3149]

"the battles move soo slowly" haha the battles in FF7 are actually pretty fast paced for FF- do youself a favor and stay away from FF9 if you found 7 slow. Also you were nowhere near the end of disc 1, you were essentially still in the prologue.

[@Gamesackfan-bn6eg]

He's played Final fantasy 6, and he likes tons of Jrpgs.

[@devonodevon]

"Doom isn't really anything to blow your wad over" I see what you did there

[@lifespanofafry1534]

I don’t.

[@colinkmetz9876]

@@lifespanofafry1534 Doom game data files used the .wad extension.

[@MarquisSmith]

We all have games that don't click. Hell, sometimes we have whole genres. For me, it's the majority of RTS games. I appreciate them, and enjoy watching others play, but.... I dunno. My brain just isn't wired that way. Turn based ones are fine though.

[@johnnyslokes2712]

Thats how I am with most RPGs. I hate the fact that they are usually turn based and just standing there in a line waiting to get hit. Much rather they be implemented more like Secret of Mana and you can freely move around and attack and dodge like a real fight, just makes more sense with my brain

[@MarquisSmith]

@@johnnyslokes2712 I was thinking more turn based strategy than turn based rpgs. I like a couple, but like yourself, I'm more into ones with real time action like the aforementioned Secret of Mana and the sixteen bit Zeldas.

[@johnnyslokes2712]

@@MarquisSmith I can find examples of all sorts of different types of RPGs that I've found pretty good just definitely have a type that I gravitate towards

[@JacobGreshamHill]

Apparently the Saturn version of DOOM used to run great, but then the higher-ups in the company told the devs to stop using the hardware libraries and do everything in software due to it being closer to their coding practises. Which is why Saturn DOOM runs so poorly.

[@JacobGreshamHill]

***** Yeah, took me a while to find a site where someone had grabbed the quote itrunsdoom.tumblr.com/post/100366595303/when-i-started-the-project-i-had-to-do-a-demo-for

[@melvintaylor1918]

Another great episode. When I saw FFVII included, I knew you'd catch some flak in the comments. There are people out there who simply do not understand how others can't love it. No worries, as though I loved FFVII, Mortal Kombat, Doom and Bonk's Adventure, I appreciate the opinions and commentary you guys have. In fact, I liked this episode so much I'd like to see a part 2.

[@Soulintent95]

I know your comment is old as hell (im just rewatching game sack for fun) but its nice to see someone not upset by someone else's negative opinion on a final fantasy game. I really dont like the series... but unfortunately thats taboo! People get so upset.

[@TheVidman90]

But the rufus fight is super easy u just let him beat on you till u get ur limit break and spam it over and over again.

[@Swordslinger-hb1ns]

For me the Mass effect franchise. First time I played it it was Mass effect 2 on my PS3 because they hadn’t ported the first one yet from the Xbox 360. At first I couldn’t get past the tutorial but I went back to and I instantly fell in love with. One of best rpgs ever right up there with Elder Scrolls, Witcher, and of coarse Fallout.

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

I've realized since the first time I watched this that I think he was having scaler issues with the Doom ports on PSX and other 32bit systems. They don't seem that dark elsewhere. That or the brightness in game or elsewhere wasn't turned up, or the voltage on the output was wrong for either the scaler or system. I could be wrong but I know for some scalers there's some weird mismatching that goes on, it's not a problem I've run into on the GBS Control over component to VGA so it's hard for me to say.

[@vyperii]

Code Veronica is still to this day my favourite survival horror game ever. I really felt a connection to the characters, the story was clever and the scares were truly thrilling. Amazing game!

[@theSato]

"..I still don't think DOOM is anything to blow your .wad over." Haha, nicely done, thanks for the smile this morning ;)

[@GameSack]

Ha ha someone got it! I knew it was only a matter of time. :)

[@theSato]

Game Sack Yeah, the fact that you didn't force-feed the understanding of the joke made it a lot better - that feeling of "heh, not everyone is going to catch this" :D Thanks for the video! ♥

[@somethingodd1]

Game Sack I was wondering if that was intentional or not. :P

[@dukejaywalker5858]

Sato I don't get it...

[@KesMonkey]

"I know Jiu-jitsu" - Leo, from The Smatrix.

[@ProtoMario]

I am so glad I am not the only one who dislikes Final Fantasy 7. Its way too slow for me, and this is coming from someone who loves RPGs.

[@KrisFirebolt]

ProtoMario I'm still waitin' on that one day where you be like, "Kris, you dun' haveta +1 every thing I say.." And then I'll be like, " _eh.._ ~shrugs~" XD

[@axelsonic10]

BUT PROTO!!!! I agree with your opinion.

[@TheJadeFist]

Its over rated, I too tried to play the game and just got bored early and just quit, haven't really revisited it. How ever 9,10, and 12 were much more enjoyable games.

[@ProtoMario]

TheJadeFist I played through 12, but I will never say that any of the charecters made a lick of sense, because most of them didn't.

[@TheJadeFist]

ProtoMario 12's plot was a bit harder to follow then most, but the gameplay and atmosphere more then made up for it. Maybe I was just suckered in by the Tactics Advanced world being reused.

[@Mephianse81]

I would say with FF7 changing the battle system to active and increasing the battle speed may increase your enjoyment of the game, just a suggestion. JRPG's are definitely not everyone's cup of tea.

[@rodflounder]

Are there any games you remember loving as a kid, but played them recently and hated them?

[@Yesdjxnekdk]

Jack and daxter

[@trinidadmetroid]

Mighty morphin power rangers for the sega genesis (where you can play as the green ranger and dragonzord).

[@ReddieBeaty]

Honestly, the only version of Doom I've played which is worth playing is the PC version. Honestly, to use your terminology, that is a good game to blow your wad over. It's just fantastic, and manages to be massively exciting. If you're into mods, Brutal Doom really makes the game a ton more fun than an awful lot of modern FPSs. I honestly didn't even grow up with it, but it still managed to capture my imagination when I first played it.

[@RJ-cq8dd]

I'd disagree. The Playstation port is amazing. The soundtrack is completely different and gives the game an eerie and desolate feeling.

[@johnalbertson79]

Honestly.

[@roninkraut6873]

I grew up with Doom and I was overly happy to finally get it one special Christmas morning with my new 32X.

[@tribemaster101]

honestly, yeah. Honest!

[@SnesRulez]

ahaha Rufus near the end of Disc 1 XD

[@drwang4884]

SnesRulez - My Game World exactly what I was thinking haha

[@bojidarmartinov5949]

SnesRulez - My Game World when was that

[@dmjsra04]

Game sack is so well produced and edited. You guys should have your own tv show.

[@KaskelotenZebbe]

What a great episode. I love how Dave can drop the pride and make fun of his own looks, that is a very good character trait to have.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

I've always wanted to know what a followup or even a remake to Burning Rangers would be like on modern hardware since the premise was pretty solid

[@AlucardsQuest]

I think it would be awesome if someone cleaned the original up and made it HD first!

[@PiousMoltar]

Yeah Sega probably should have done a sequel on the Dreamcast... or any time since really.

[@drunkensailor112]

check phantasy star online. that ran on the same engine.

[@asadavis9532]

Where did you go?

[@Serros13]

New episode of Game Sack, my friend's wedding can wait!

[@tetrisdave]

LoL!!

[@dingo4010]

How was your friends wedding.

[@PapaJoJ]

@@dingo4010 he didn't go, obviously

[@steverempel8584]

Try playing the PC version of Doom, using a modern Doom engine, like Doomsday, or GZDoom. You don't need to add any mods, but it improves the experience, I use high rez textures, high quality music, etc. You should also try the Brutal Doom mod, it changes the gameplay significantly, but for the better. All those other Doom games you played are crap compared to that experience. After that you should play the Super Nintendo version...

[@SuperMarioGuy12345]

Steve Rempel Playing doom with a modern doom engine does not mean you're playing 'the doom'. You're playing a custom version and remember, at the time, PCs could not handle such engine. And by guessing, if you actually play doom, you'd probably don't like it.

[@steverempel8584]

I doesn't matter what I'm playing it's still really fun, and has all the same levels, items and enemies as doom, and 90% the same game play, (there's an option to make it 99% the same gameplay, by not letting you look up or down, but I don't want to do that.) I have played vanilla doom, and although still good, the mods make it better, and I see no reason to use the vanilla engine anymore. In the same way I don't see the point on turning graphic settings down if your performance is good at high settings. Also, by your logic, any of the console ports of doom also are not 'the doom' as they would all use different engines than the original. The brutal doom mod is the only change big enough to have a truly new game, although I do really enjoy that mod, I don't always use it. The SNES version of Doom, and the console ports on this video, suck compared to the PC orignial... especially the SNES version, I still don't understand how I was able to beat that version....

[@SuperMarioGuy12345]

Steve Rempel Well, all the versions of doom(except for the 32x) look cool. I've played the PS version. I don't have an SNES, Genesis or 32x to actually experience. I've also played GZdoom and it's pretty fun, but it's just the same game just with added features. It's your opinion anyway.

[@steverempel8584]

Pixelized Dreams That sounds similar to my opinion. I use GZdoom with my brutal doom mod, and Doomsday Engine when I'm not using that mod. I actually prefer the Doomsday Engine, but when I set my mods up, Brutal Doom didn't work with Doomsday. I would recommend you try Brutal Doom, and Doomsday engine. I also play hexen and heretic. I don't like heretic as much, but I don't know why, and it's bugging me...

[@steverempel8584]

Pixelized Dreams Also you could try the SNES version on emulator, the whole thing is just a mess of pixels, especially when the enemies are far away. Password saving for each level. Terrible controls, bad performance, missing levels. Playing the SNES version of doom, on PC using an emulator is the peak of awsomeness. Actually, I did play Turok 2 and Golden Eye 64 (For N64) on emulator, using a modern FPS keyboard/mouse control scheme, that was fun. I own all those games on cartidge so it's legal.

[@Kaimax61]

Can't help it, but the impression that I got from this video is that the dislikes come from just being bad at the game . Especially felt like that from the FF 7 part. -Did you actually check the "configs"? Besides changing the battle system from ATB to Recommended or Wait, there's also an option to change the game speed there. -And it's actually hard to lose against Rufus at that part (It's not even halfway of Disc 1 lol), The Elevator Boss is kinda tricky as you can only do range attacks and seeing your Barret is dead it makes it harder. Aside from that, Congrats on the 100.000 Subs. Started watching you guys from the Left in Japan 1 Video.

[@GameSack]

Is being bad at FF7 something I should be ashamed of? I gave it an honest second chance, what more do you want?

[@zerogear976]

Game Sack just feels like you played it wrong or rushed it making everything 50 times harder.

[@GameSack]

zerogear976 I have more than 7 hours of gameplay footage. I played until I did not want to play any more. Why would I continue playing a game I did not want to play? I guess my second attempt just wasn't good enough for some of you.

[@GameSack]

***** That's what I was really hoping to do... get outside. That was my goal for this video to at least do that. But I couldn't. And I had 4 other games to record and lots of other life things to do so I had to call it quits. Granted, I'd have more fun doing my laundry than fighting through that elevator battle again.

[@theSato]

zerogear976 I wouldn't say that it's rushing through the game just because you don't sit around in every zone for an hour more to grind. Good single-player RPGs don't make you do that, you get enough exp and such from naturally playing through the game to succeed, and grinding helps with extra/bonus stuff, makes bosses easy, etc.

[@elleCX01]

In hindsight, it seems Square Enix agrees that the Rufus fight in FFVII should be the end of something...

[@Sinuev1]

Doom nothing to blow your wad over? Is that.... is that a double entendre in reference to the modding scene?

[@GameSack]

Yep! I had to find a way to work that in there. :)

[@Andrew_G4CH]

Game Sack Well done, cause as a player of the PC version, I laughed quite hard at that.. :D

[@greecoboost]

Game Sack I admit I didn't get it right away but when I saw Sinuev1's comment, it hit me: the files that were often modded had the extension .WAD Very clever!

[@8-BitEric]

holy shit i needed this so bad tonight. love me some game sack.

[@mortal2266]

Tru dat

[@wonderduck2345]

I know man I've been waiting for a new gamesack.....CHODES!

[@nintenjoel]

Me too man, I always enjoy their new episodes.

[@NaturalProgressGames]

Fuck yeah!

[@chronictron]

I got your game sack for ya right here sweet cheeks

[@okchief420]

Hey Joe and David congrats on hitting 100,000 subs you guys deserve it! Well actually you aren't there yet you're about a 1k shy but by the time you get around to reading this comment you will have hit it already! I hope to see you at next year's Retropalooza my friends long live SEGA! Oh by the way I'm only 2 games away from a full NTSC SMS library fyi lol.

[@GameSack]

I just read your comment That means we're at 100K! Yeahh!! Oh damn. Your comment is only a 1/2 hour old. :)

[@nintenjoel]

Game Sack Congrats!!! You guys deserve it... such a great show!

[@SiatsTheJoker]

I'm sub 90k. I thought that I was already subscribed, but it said I wasn't. Thats happened to me with a few other channels.

[@theSato]

Siats I was subscriber #50,000! :D I should totally unsub and try to get 100k. Kappa.

[@tetrisdave]

Thanks! Congrats on the SMS complete set. You will see us at Retropalooza next year it's gonna be a good time.

[@thedangerroom7747]

"I think it's the end of the first disc, or I think it is" Yea man, I remember thinking the exact same thing when I was 7. But nah... naaaaaah.

[@absoluteego]

wow i've never heard of bubble ghost and it looks cool

[@PeteSkerritt]

I've tried for so many years (and so many versions!) to get into Mortal Kombat. Honestly, I like the settings, the characters, the lore, etc... but the gameplay to me feels like busy work. Too many weird button/directional combos that never feel intuitive and require multiplication table-level memorization to really pull off. Buttons for blocking and running also just confuse me; I'll stick with Street Fighter II controls. The Legend of "Cage"-- I mean, Kage. A local arcade when I was in high school had this coin-op, and I tried it maybe twice. As mentioned in this video, the controls felt floaty and never as tight as I think they should have been. In addition, I don't think that (novice) players ever really get the sense of where they're going or feel any sense of progression in the game. I've thought about snagging the NES version to try it again, but haven't yet pulled the trigger. Finally (for this comment), DK64. I want to play this and like it, but I get lost very early and lose interest. While I understand the more open world and use of hubs, DK64 hasn't felt like its Donkey Kong Country brethren-- easy to learn and difficult to master. Perhaps it's time to give this game another go. Thanks for another fun video, guys. LOVED the end. :)

[@RetroHiDef]

As far as FF7 I assume its safe to say that he didn't know you can significantly speed up battles.

[@JazGalaxy]

Chippen Dale speed up battles in FFVII? How do you manage that?

[@RetroHiDef]

Settings change battle speed.

[@JazGalaxy]

doesn't that just make the active time bars fill up faster?

[@RetroHiDef]

which in turn allows the game battles to go faster as well. Which is exactly what he was complaining about. I am 33 now but then when I was younger and playing FF7 for the first time I had it set up pretty fast and I was rocking through the battles with ease and speed. It's not for everyone but FF7 is definitely one of the best RPG's I ever played. JazGalaxy

[@steverempel8584]

With the Final Fantasy games, you can usually speed up battles, there's an option for that in the options menu. At the fastest setting I usually can't choose my abilities fast enough and the enemies attack while I'm choosing, and it adds a bit of a challenge. Your gameplay footage suggested you weren't playing at this fastest level. You do need to enjoy those turn based battles to fully appreciate Final Fantasy games, usually that enjoyment comes from developing and designing your characters (In FFVII's case, how you choose to equip Materia, do you give them magic materia to cast spells, or not give them any so they are stronger physical fighters, and later in the game with more independent and support Materia, these choices get more interesting.)

[@BrySkye]

Yeah, turning up battle speed and text speed to max is something I would recommend doing the second you get control. I think the defaults were setup to try and make it all a bit less overwhelming to people new to RPGs. The game might have benefited from having a couple of pre-selects when you select a New Game, rather than expecting people to dig through the config screen of the menu. There' also the option to change the Active Time Battle system to, well, Active (or Wait) instead of the default which is kind of a hybrid inbetween the two. When its set to Active, the battles won't effectively pause at all when you're selecting things in the menus or performing moves, and that goes for your enemies as well as your own team. Whilst that makes it harder, you'll spend a lot less time waiting and can pre-select your characters moves whilst other actions are taking place. It's perfectly fine not to like the game of course, this is just to say that one of the main critiques of a game given here is something that can at least be adjusted quite easily without hacks or cheats. Speaking of, if that's not enough, the PS4 port of the PC version has a literal fast forward button, lol. I have to admit to being quite fond of the materia system, in that its so flexible. Which also means it's incredibly open to abuse if you figure out ways to fully exploit it with certain combinations that can effectively make you unstoppable. It was also nice being able to basically full customise all the characters, so you could build a party based on your favourites, as opposed to needing to use ones with the exclusive special abilities you wanted at that point in time.

[@drunkensailor112]

That was all fine in 1997 but not today. Turn based rpg battles are terrible now unless they are strategy rpg's

[@Ducksauce33]

@@BrySkye Yeah but to truly become unstoppable with materia like being able to beat the weapons let alone beating Ruby with out being hit. You will need to master, and clone allot of rare materias which takes a astronomical amount of grinding with out a game editor. You also don't get allot of them till later in the game. The fact you can miss some materia and never be able go back to get it kinda sucks.

[@RarefoilB]

You know Joe, if you wanted to give Doom another shot and see it as it's best, why not just play the PC version? Ultimate Doom on Steam is the same game, just with extra levels (and some inconsequential tweaks), and that's easily obtainable for $5, and getting the disc isn't too much of a hassle (if not that, it's at least at a pretty good price from what I remember). Are you that much of a stickler for console gaming? And Dave, what is your response to the large critique of DK64, which is that there is much, *much*, *_much_* too many things to collect even for the genre, and that to merely complete the game, the complete total of a majority of the collectibles are required to be collected (simpler version: to just beat the game, you must be super OCD and not leave a single thing un-collected with one or two exceptions)?

[@GameSack]

I don't really have a PC that can be used for gaming (that I can also record) and I don't care to set one up. I'm definitely more of a console guy. Just a preference. If that upsets anyone (and I know it does) then I consider that their problem.

[@kmmm007]

Game Sack It is never too late to get into PC !

[@zubirhusein]

Game Sack It's Doom though....any computer made in the last fifteen years can play it without breaking a sweat....playing a youtube video takes more processing power than Doom

[@Ultimatewario89]

Game Sack Well if you didn't wanted to play the game on a PC you could have played the Xbox 360 version, also Doom I and II are available on Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil and Doom 3 BFG Edition.

[@cablemodem]

Game Sack Doom on the console definitely was a thing back then. There was a huge amount of hype in my group of friends when Doom finally came out to the 32x. Turns out every Doom port I've played is crap. But the thing is, even the PC original is not that good on the first play through. Slowly plodding about in nonsensical mazes searching for keys gets boring fast. Doom came into its own for me when I ran through the game at the Ultra Violence difficulty level with the knowledge of the stage layouts. That's when you get the "id" feel that is present for me in Doom and Quake. Fast, non stop carnage with superb audio and perfect pacing. I don't hate you for not putting in the tens of hours to get to that part. You're an adult with adult responsibilities who is in addition to that running a top of the line (my favorite for that matter) youtube channel.

[@calminaeon]

Respectfully disagree re: Doom 64. Once you get going in it, it's seriously one of the best of the "classic" style Doom games. Music is really ambient and cool, too.

[@review_stooge]

calminaeon certainly a great FPS if you're a fan of the genre I think

[@johnalbertson79]

Its pure ass.

[@thisisnotachannel]

Doom 64 is my favorite classic Doom.

[@NickEnlowe]

"I think I was just about at the end of Disk 1" *is actually only getting near the end of the first TOWN*

[@corsairegg]

Giving bonk a second chance? It was love at first sight. One of the greatest platformer of all times.

[@fafa1648]

Turbo Bonk's is great -- especially the music! But the control issues are understandable, but personally had no issues. Doom... Look. I understand you two are console only, but absolutely no version matches the original PC game which is still heavily played to this day due to its endless mods and wads! But if you are judging the game strictly on console, then you're right.

[@thisisnotachannel]

Doom 64 is *better* than Doom on pc. Just my opinion, though.

[@InsomniacOvrLrd]

"Doom isn't anything to blow your WAD over" Good work guys. ha

[@theneroliveira]

Hell no man! Doom 64 is the greatest Doom Ever! Seriously, it starts weird but you get used to it and it will be epic by the time you advance mid-game!

[@moviemetalhead]

Doom 64 is the underrated Doom, but the best Doom. Totally agree with what you said.

[@robertwilson3866]

+Thener Oliveira It looks crappy in this video though.

[@corey2232]

Look at it in the side by sides at the end. It looks much smoother and graphically superior, as well as runs better than the counterparts. It also new content and stages, and the 64 controller was the best controller for shooters of that era (hence all the good FPS games coming to it Turok 1-3, Doom 64, Goldeneye, Hexen 64, Quake, Perfect Dark < best one FYI, etc.), it just feels weird going back to it now-a-days. Doom 64 really is a great version of Doom.

[@brony4869]

agreed. i felt my blood practically boil when i heard them dissing on my Doom 64

[@AlexKidd]

I know these comments are old, but I got Doom 64 when it was new and instantly regretted it, not a good game, I think maybe all the years since it now doesn't seem so bad, but at the time it all seemed horribly outdated, with the 2d sprites, getting lost for ages etc, Golden Eye was so much better when I got it a few months later

[@sonicmario64]

One game that I enjoyed playing after giving a second chance would have to be "Shining Force", which I thought was hard the first time I played it until I figured out how to play it properly, and I found it to be quite enjoyable for an RPG on the Sega Genesis. :)

[@Jayhooft]

Best video game show on KZbin.

[@iornhide132]

I loved your old video about Doom 128. Also, how about trying ocarina of time again? You said you didn't really like it in an old video.

[@GameSack]

Yes, that would be a good one for next time.

[@CarozQH]

Game Sack ... or Majora's Mask maybe? It has a much better story and it looks nicer than OoT.

[@GameSack]

CarozQH Well I would be the one to try OoT again. Dave would be the one to try Majora's Mask again.

[@ssjup81]

Game Sack Oh wow, please please please try these games. That'll make this Zelda fangirl happy and interesting to see if you guys have any better opinions on them. Then again, even if you don't, it's still interesting hearing your opinions on these things.

[@CarozQH]

Game Sack Majoras Mask is a game you have to play for a long time to fully appreciate it, unlike OoT, which is just too generic in my opinion.

[@SitarKnight]

I love every episode you guys put out! Thank you for constantly putting them out.

[@nutz4gunz457]

Doom on the 3DO has the best music by far. Sadly it has the frame rate of a flip book.

[@GameSack]

Yes! I really did enjoy the music on the 3DO version. I don't remember the game itself but I must have rented it because I have a few of the tracks recorded onto MiniDisc, of all things. The music also makes an appearance at the end of this vdeo.

[@rodmunch69]

I loved MK on the Genesis BUT I had to have the 6-button controller AND I didn't use my stupid thumb for the buttons, when you use a 6-buttion Genesis controller you should use your first three fingers on all three buttons, then you can do combos and such - but the downside is you can't hit the mode button, but I'm not sure if that does anything in this game.

[@Alfred6009]

OH MAN! DOOM 128 looks like the best game ever! Most lifelike graphics i have ever seen. Another great vid guys!

[@DJIndy]

Oh man, if your goal was to get to the over world you were SO close. After you beat that boss, you just quickly get out of the building and go to the first mini-game of the game where you ride a motorcycle and use Road Rash style combat to protect your party, finishing up with one last boss battle at the end of that mini-game, and then you're out. I'm don't recall exactly how long all of that takes, but I think it's something like 15 minutes, give or take, depending on how long you spend on the boss. But, to be honest, even though the game get's a lot better and adds a lot of new dynamics after that, and the story gets much deeper after that, if you don't like it by the end of midgar you probably won't like it in general.

[@JazGalaxy]

I don't know if I can agree that the story in FFVII gets "deeper". Defintely more convoluted, but not "deeper".

[@DJIndy]

JazGalaxy I'm not sure how you could argue it doesn't get deeper after that point. It's fairly shallow while still in Midgar. Afterwards they start fleshing out the back stories and connections of characters, start showing a bigger picture, add layers to motivations, the history of the planet comes out more and becomes more relevant, so on and so forth. It doesn't become the most compelling story ever told, but it certainly gains depth from what it is in Midgar.

[@JazGalaxy]

Obviously I'm being cynical, but I feel like the straightforward plot of Avalanche vs. Shinra is the best part of that game. After that, as it delves into Cloud's identity crisis, it ceases getting deep, in my opinion, and just shuffles it's feet with layer and layers of misinformation and obfuscation to create a false sense of depth and meaning. I feel Metal Gear is guilty of the same thing. I feel like there is a difference between a plot actually being complicated, and simple plot being told in a very complicated way.

[@DJIndy]

JazGalaxy Depth and complication are not the same thing, though complication can sometimes add to depth. There is also a difference between depth and good or appealing, though again, greater depth often helps with those qualities. Still, a lot of people find shallower, simpler stories more appealing, and they do sometimes have their benefits if done well. The Avalanche vs. Shinra plot line is fairly shallow, but that doesn't make it bad. I personally prefer where the story goes from there, including where it goes with the other characters aside from Cloud, but I also find stories about identity very appealing.

[@cj694x2]

JazGalaxy Despite its issues, I found the plot in FF7 to be WAY more interesting than 90% of other RPG's back then. Anything non-Squaresoft was usually pretty generic.

[@MrBobLucas]

I hated Zelda II when I first played it.. Went back to it a year or so ago and stuck with it until I completed it and I actually really enjoyed it!

[@RetroClash95]

yeah Zelda 2 is awesome.

[@LizardkingMario]

I absolutely hate Skyward Sword. Everything about it just feels wrong. And I really did like all the other 3D Zeldas, or can at least see why they're great. I would give it another try if I hadn't sold my wii.

[@tetrisdave]

I finished Skyward Sword but wasn't impressed by it.

[@mykie242]

Completely agree, Skyward Sword was such a disappointing followup to Twilight Princess (Which I loved).

[@ShadowlostArts]

mykie242 I did enjoy Skyward Sword, but I found Twilight Princess more enjoyable.

[@RowdyRodimus]

I'll get my "Hardcore Gamer" license taken away but since A Link To The Past and the Capcom Gameboy games, the only Zelda game I have really, really liked (nay, LOVE) is Hyrule Warriors. Yeah, it's not a Zelda game"proper", but it's just awesome.

[@mykie242]

Nothing wrong with that! Hyrule Warriors is so very, very awesome! I've been playing it so much...and slacking on my KZbin channel making duties...

[@moviemetalhead]

Doom 64, The Legend of Kage, DK64, Bonk's Adventure, MK1&2 and RE:CV I all liked right off the bat. I'm glad you guys gave these games a second chance. Another great topic.

[@agentj007gaming9]

And FFVII, metalhead. Even if it's not your favorite Final Fantasy game, the idea of someone not liking it seems utterly&#160;implausible.

[@moviemetalhead]

+Agent J007 Gaming I was never a big fan of turn based RPGs, though I have given a few a chance. I never really ever got into the FF franchise going back as far as SNES. While I don't dislike FFVII, I'm not into it because of the genre it fell in.

[@Kem1kal13]

Knowing you guys have a new found appreciation for Resident Evil: Code Veronica and the Mortal Kombat games (even if just a little) makes me feel good inside.

[@DFMusic811]

Well, time to go back and play Goldeneye. I hated that game when I first played it. Wish me luck.

[@moviemetalhead]

Absolute Absol Verdict?

[@DFMusic811]

Wasn't expecting somebody to actually respond. Still don't like it. To me it's boring, has shitty controls, and is just very underwhelming for being called the greatest first person shooter ever. There were better shooters before it and there are better shooters now. Everyone goes crazy over how amazing the multiplayer is, yet it's just basic split screen. I don't get it.

[@moviemetalhead]

Absolute Absol To each his own. I had no problem with the controls and up to that point, movie licensed games tended to suck outside of the arcade, so it was actually cool to play a good one. But like I said, different strokes.. At least you gave it another try.

[@kd9262]

dfm Don't Fear Music It's far from the greatest fps ever but I did enjoy the variety in missions depending of difficulty. Just out curiosity, what are the shooters that came before it that are so much better? Outside of the typical quake/ doom response

[@AlexKidd]

Never heard anyone say they hated Golden Eye when it was new

[@jeffcox6539]

Code Veronica wasn't exclusive to Dreamcast.

[@robertwilson3866]

Why no Jaguar Doom? Meant to be one of the best. Doom 128 looks awesome and the Nintendo 128 even has the power to give Dave hair :O

[@robertwilson3866]

***** They should buy one with all the money they make from being world famous KZbinrs.

[@pseudobleedingheart9075]

Jag Doom would be among the best, but it doesn't have music

[@kadorna1]

i can't believe this guy cannot swipe or roundhouse the opponent. just a hint; it's BACK + KICKS, not DOWN

[@yamigekusu]

Dr Chaos on the NES. I played it when I was a little kid and thought it was a bit too weird for me. Fastforward to 2010 or so, and I actually started to play through it fairly well. The game is ungodly difficult at times , and you have limited ammo for your weapons. I actually figured out how to get through the room exploration parts to help the game progress. I actually beat the game! And that final boss...holy shit the final boss is hard

[@DownKneeFresh]

Brian Reeves here. it's five years late, but ill just say that i'd do it again, too.

[@intensellylit4100]

who?

[@walkernel]

@@intensellylit4100 3:30

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

Joe, you should keep trying. I was able to beat Rufus and move on to the overworld of FF7. You gave up too soon, dude.

[@jakeholland1848]

Kenneth Ayoob ya the game opens up after that and becomes epic

[@rm2kmidi]

With FF7, it sounds like you're just not into console-style RPG's, cause random battles are kind of a major component of most games in the genre (hint: they're not wasting your time, you get exp through fighting monsters). FF7 isn't so widely regarded because of how well it holds up, it's widely regarded because of it's place in history and its influence on a generation or more of console-style rpgs. It's still a great game, but the gameplay has not aged well.

[@GameSack]

I like plenty of console RPGs. Loved the Phantasy Star series. I know how random battles work and I know what they're for. They're just not interesting to me in FF7.

[@theSato]

keffypoo I don't agree. I have fond memories because of nostalgia, but the game (FF7) has aged poorly in my eyes. FF6, Xenogears, and 10 have all aged pretty well by comparison to me. But hey, opinions, right? :)

[@rm2kmidi]

Game Sack alright, I just don't see how they're any different from any other rpg. The interface is pretty slow and clunky though. You didn't get the part where you start using summons,but they don't let you skip those sequences, and the stronger ones take quite a bit of time. I do see point, somewhat.

[@rm2kmidi]

Sato I think SNES games just generally had more responsive controls than Playstation, and FF6 was just pretty well made. Xenogears didn't age quite as well, but it's so unique that it still stands out.

[@rm2kmidi]

keffypoo Can't agree, FFVIII is my favorite on Playstation. FF8 and 9 were more sleek, but you can't blame FF7 as it was their first attempt to make a game like that.

[@OldMan_PJ]

Great video, especially the old video at the end. One game I replayed that changed my opinion of it completely was R: Racing Evolution on the Gamecube. When I first bought it I spent about 15 minutes playing it and gave up. The controls didn't click with me and the races seemed difficult. When I replayed it I figured I would play a solid hour to get a proper feel for the controls. Lo' and behold it ended up being one of my favorite racing games. Once I mastered how to take the turns fast the difficulty felt exciting and I ended up beating it 100%.

[@skins4thewin]

Seriously, I could watch a whole episode of just that last DOOM sketch you guys did. Do you guys have more footage like that from the past? Would love to see it! Oh, and who did the remix of that DOOM track that you guys used? It was dope! Would love to check out more of it.

[@PedrocaRicardo]

Comment section is like: "Wait, you don't like a game that I like? You are so dumb!"

[@boss_pedal]

Goddamn those FF7 fanboys are annoying. Why do they get so offended that you personally don't care for the game? Great video guys.

[@Trialwolf]

Final Fantasy 7 has to be one of the most divisive games. I personally hated it when it came out and that is coming from someone who loved all the previous games on the NES and SNES so I was just shocked at the linearity of the game and how stripped down weapons and armour were, plus the amount of grinding for the Materia was just insane. I have played it again recently but again it just didn't appeal to me like FF 4 or 6. FF3 is my favourite though due to the massive amount of party customization as well as having a bit more freedom in where you could go in the overworld (though some areas were still blocked off it was still better than later games)

[@enigmaster84]

I wonder for those like me who like the game but don't think it's the best JRPG that ever existed. We are hated by both sides :p

[@siveon298]

I would say Final Fantasy 2, 4 8, 10-2, 12, 13 to 13-3 are more divisive. But that's because the fanbase has been split up for years. That and the fanbase is fuckin' schizophrenic. Possibly a bit masochistic too.

[@BluBoulzor]

FF3 was a blast on the NES... Sage and Ninja class anyone? I think the FF3 party was the most godly of the whole series. Sage class can use any magic of the game PLUS has tons and tons of charge meaning they will never ever run out. Ninja was just so freaking broken too. Legendary weapons everywhere, cool secret towns and stuff, plus the biggest baddest coolest airship of the whole series. 3 part final dungeon, damn that was a cool game. If the encounter rate wasn't so high / running away wasn't so hard it would have been just perfect.

[@cj694x2]

BluBoulzor I never played that one cuz I didn't live in Japan.

[@siveon298]

***** Bro do you even emulate?

[@HoldenRaps]

Gamesack! Just wanted to say I really enjoy the videos ya'll make. I don't usually watch KZbin videos over 10 minutes in length, but ya'll do a great job at keeping my attention. I recently started trying to build a video game collection, and this channel helps give me an idea of which games to prioritize, and which ones can wait. So thanks for the videos, and keep up the great work. P.S. - Loved Doom 128, me and my friends always tried to 1st person videos like that as kids. Peace ✌

[@tetrisdave]

Thanks! Glad we could help..

[@LeeBondo]

Loving your version of Doom 128 with the G10 repeater there guys. I have that gun too. Mines all chipped up and nasty tho, yours looked brand new.

[@chaos120m]

Joe how can you hate on ff7 yet love fantasy star?

[@chaos120m]

i find fantasy star boring. Guess that's why I have moved on to games like oblivion and skyrim

[@BluBoulzor]

Because Phantasy Star is actually fun to play and has a better plot than FF7? If nothing else FF7 stole Aerith death from PS2 and PS4. So yeah if you played the Phantasy Star series you basically played better rpg than FF7, even Phantasy Star III is slightly better than FF7

[@chaos120m]

BluBoulzor Well you are entitled to be wrong. Fantasy star is ass. But thanks for playing we have no prizes for you.

[@BluBoulzor]

chaos120m Skyrim is so innovative they pumped their logo from FF4 easy type title screen.

[@MizfitZer0]

Because.... opinion?

[@derloco2035]

"FF VII is overrated" I am glad to hear that I am not the only one with that opinion ^^

[@sofakingimmature]

Joe, I get where you are coming from with FF7. When I first played it, I too got so bored with the game that I stuffed it in my collection. I only picked it up again after my little sister played it and got past Midgar. The idea that the tutorial part of a game who last HOURS before it finally opened up is mindbendingly stupid in 97'. That's kinda a flaw with some Square RPG's. They spend so much time on their story and character development, that their combat/battles feels like an after thought. I find it ironic that everyone is giving you crap for not liking the game. You said you played it with , "no cheats, not guides. Just playing it the way it was supposed to be experience," and everyone telling you that you are supposed to change it to configurations.

[@PickleRick91x]

sofakingimmature because there is a fucking option menu in the game that says battle speed. You don't need prior knowledge or a guide to figure out a options menu.

[@AlexKidd]

You shouldn't have to immediately mess with the options menu though, that is a sign of a poor game usually. Also if you speed it up you're just playing a slow game faster than you're mean't too, it's not really fixing the situation. It's the equivalent of saying a movie is boring, & telling people to watch it on fast forward as the solution

[@skins4thewin]

I absolutely LOVED the DOOM skit at the end of this one. My favorite ending skit thus far!

[@Ninjamohawk]

"I still don't think Doom is anything to blow your wad over" Lovely pun. Just exquisite. :)

[@deathsdoor07]

I will never give FF XIII a second chance.

[@Eandia]

So you quit FF7 just as the game is getting started, losing to Rufus dog no less because you fail to realize you need to take it out first, and you have the gall to say its overrated?

[@GameSack]

Sounds like I hurt someone's feelings! Listen, I played over 7 hours of this game. I gave it an honest second chance. If I don't like the game, why would I continue playing it? Do the core mechanics of the gameplay change? I highly highly doubt that they do.

[@Eandia]

You didnt hurt my feelings, you struck me as someone I shouldnt take seriously. You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but saying a whole game is overrated when you havent played but a little bit of, thats a bit disingenuous dont you think? You could at least say "what" about the game you think is so overrated, because you havent even experienced the story so it cant be that.

[@GameSack]

Eandia If you watched the entire review, I said what I liked and that was the characters, story (from what I saw) and the music. And I said I do not like the battles much at all. They also seemingly comprise the vast majority of the game. I'll agree that I haven't seen much of the story, but I have seen the large majority of what the gameplay mechanics are like. And I just do not find them very fun. If this were a movie, I could see your point. But otherwise it's like saying that I can't decide if Shinobi is a game I enjoy or not by playing the first two stages. I needn't play through an entire game to decide that I do not like it. If the game takes over 7 hours just to "get started" then there's something seriously wrong with the way the game is designed. The game is massively hyped. Many games are. Perhaps some of this led to my expectations being too high. I don't expect you or anyone else to change their opinions, that's not what this show is about. We can only give you our opinions. And many FF7 fans seem very, very bitter about it.

[@Eandia]

I cant agree with that because RPGs do take longer to get going, since most are 30-40 hour affairs, in FF7s case it is introduced in Midgar but really comes off the ground when you get to the world map which you didnt do. For the same reason you are saying this game is massively hyped, I can say that you are conditioned or inclined to look for faults because you're tired of hearing how good people think it is and you went in with very high expectations. What drew me in was the story with the game and the only thing I reacted to was that "the game" was overrated when in reality you liked the characters, story and music yet only had a problem with the battles. Im not bitter about it, and I enjoy finding different opinions and discussing, I just think alot of people, such as you, put all ff7 fans into one group and are more inclined to find faults with the whole game, even though as you admit, you enjoyed a great deal about it except the battles.

[@Adrian_of_Arcane_Lore]

Eandia The thing is with most FFVII fans that in the same way you guys think that people who dislikes FFVII is "inclined to look for faults", you are clouded with nostalgia and fail to see the game for what it really is. I have tried to play FFVII on multiple occasions but the mechanics of the game is just bad to the point of almost being broken. I've come much farther than the guy in this video (about 15-20 hours in) because I wanted to give the game a fair chance, but the vast majority of the actual play time was a pain and the story (so far) did not in any way make up for it. The biggest issue with the game is the battle system, it's painfully slow and awkward and basic enemies take far to much time to defeat, and there is entirely to many battles. Apart from that the worst parts of the game were the horrible minigames that you are forced to do time and time again. I would never recommend someone who have never played FFVII to pick it up, since the chance that someone without a previous relationship to the game would like it is minimal. If someone wanted to get in to the series I would recommend FFVI which is a game I loved and far superior to FFVII in my personal opinion. The mechanics in FFVII is stuck in this awkward timeframe where they mixed old and new ideas and therefore it's very dated. Games like FFVI and Chrono Trigger is more refined in many ways, and therefore there mechanics are more timeless and even though they are older games, the way the are played feels better in almost every way. It takes serious dedication and oversight of bad mechanics to get in to FFVII if you have never played it, and most players simply don't think that the pretty decent story is worth all the time that the game wastes.

[@Saxcat20]

I imagine a few fanboys 'might' have been butt hurt by some opinions here, lol

[@VGMProf]

Great video! I'm glad that you guys always mention the music of the games. It would be awesome to see an episode devoted to some of your favorite video game soundtracks! "Games with great soundtracks." Also, congrats on crossing 100,000 subscribers! Cheers, guys.

[@Hoosierguy1986]

Games I gave a second chance are Mass Effect games, Tell Tale games, and The Orange Box on PS3. I just couldn't get into them at the time. I love them now.

[@Kassandraoftraken]

i can't believe people get so angry because someone doesn't like their favourite game!

[@dj2bklyn]

Correction he said I know Kung Fu lol

[@gregruopp1056]

Keith Kemper ...”show me” Classic

[@payhemseht]

The original Legend of Zelda on the NES I can't stand that game... I've only been trying out console games for the past 6 years (I was more into PC games as were most Europeans) and on the list of "must play" was LoZ and oh boy was it a bad experience... From "A Link To The Past" onward everything got a lot better (one of the best games I've played better) but the original was just so confusing and time consuming, unless you had a guide which would negate the point of playing. Maybe it's because I've tried it at a later time in my life where I don't have the time or patience to experiment as much as I used to. By comparison, I have wasted some time in point and click games (Currently re-playing Monkey Island) but I've wasted far less time in those than the masterpiece that is the original Zelda game...

[@tetrisdave]

Yeah the first Zelda is not an easy game. It takes tons of patients to get through. With the SNES Link to the Past Nintendo made it a bit more friendly and a lot of fun.

[@Chaos89P]

It's the lack of a good map that did it for me. Same problem with Zelda 2, sort of. I haven't been able to get into Simon's Quest for that reason.

[@markasscop]

the stupid lake secret and burning a random tree to get to dungeons is what killed it for me

[@JazGalaxy]

The original LOZ is not as obtuse as people say it is. But, it DOES require the player have the instruction manual, which modern gamers don't understand but that was incredibly common and well-understood at the time. As a PC Gamer, though, you should understand that concept after hearing it. Like PC Games, LOZ came with a map that showed locations and instructions for how to get there.

[@toshineon]

I never really liked Final Fantasy VII when it first came out. I played it again earlier this year, and this time I thought it was really good.

[@carlopton]

That ending video from 1997 is awesome. Great job. Game that frustrates me, I hate, and then I go back for more, that would be Dead Moon on the TG16/PCEngine. Yesterday I actually made it further than I have ever made it before. So I immediately tried it again, got mad, and gave up. Of course I will be playing it again. I guess I love the abuse.

[@johnandbrianversus5082]

Dave would you ever consider playing Bonk's Adventure while wearing a thong ?

[@tetrisdave]

Nope.

[@leonardoantonio8756]

I had to admit, I never liked any gears of war games

[@Lord_of_the_Pies]

Leonardo Antonio I was so close to loving gears but the inexplicable lack of a jump button turned me off. sick looking game though!

[@leonardoantonio8756]

Dubsy The repetitive gameplay, the color palette (grey, dark grey, brown grey, dark brown grey, black..)and extremely rigid gameplay didn't cut it for me.

[@MetalRainbows6922]

Leonardo Antonio judgement is the best because their is more colors

[@kd9262]

Fluffytaco lol judgement was the worst one

[@Soulofcalm]

You guys are just so cool

[@OGBuddah]

Joe says the Rufus fight feels like the end of the first disc. . . And the crowd goes wild!

[@presidentsnow7315]

LOL Legend of Kage was one of my favorite NES games back in the day. I played that game to death.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

you know, it's sad when you gave up on FF7, JUST about when it really starts getting good, you are too impatient for RPGs Joe, way too impatient.

[@cannonp1]

I understand if you don't like mortal kombat, but saying you don't know who the characters are make me think you were in a comma during the 90's

[@valletas]

"Near the end of the first disk" Man you are missing a LOT of content on the first disk

[@tomparham1768]

I've got to agree with you on the final fantasy 7 decision. I love the game but every time I go to play it again I just find disc 1 so tedious, more so each time I replay it. I just play keep a save and start from when you get the little red buggy thing, I can't remember what it's called

[@smuckola]

The next-gen graphics are realistic enough to render Dave some hair textures (are they *each* individually real though?), and a VHS filter with that gritty realistic 90s feel.

[@TonyLikeGames2]

How dare you guys have your own opinions!! UNSUBBED 2 da max POWA!!!

[@Bdb83]

sucking at the controls doesn't make the game bad lol

[@agentj007gaming9]

Final Fantasy VII not "exceptional"? It was a ground-breaking game on many levels, from graphical style to the ingenuity that was the materia system to the plethora of fun minigames (some of which actually influenced game events). And yes, an engaging storyline with outstanding music to boot. Final Fantasy VII isn't "over-hyped"; Final Fantasy VII is "appropriately hyped".

[@BluBoulzor]

FF7 is basically a toned down version of Phantasy Star II.

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

Minigames that you were forced to play- that's what got me. I didn't enoy them, probably because I didn't have hours to kill breeding a freakin' chocobo. My problem with PS1 RPGS is definitely the time it takes. The annoying load screen between fight screen and world screen, the random battles, etc. At any rate, I think FFVII is weak in comparison to FFVI, which also took too long. Grinding before that Kefka fight! Graah!

[@BluBoulzor]

Joseph Brandenburg THIS. Hell if I want to play rpg I'll do it on my NES instead, hey at least on my NES the loadtimes aren't 3 hours long. TFW when ogre battle, FF5 and most others games both on the snes and psx were much faster to play on the snes. As for FF7 itself it's definitely one of the weakest entry of the series. I'd pick the black sheep FF2 over it any day a week.

[@docspectre1352]

You´re right. FF7 is still legendary and that´s the reason why many gamers still wait on the remake on PS4. FF6 is very good too but you can´t compare it with FF7. The most of the FF7 hater are like "Oh you say FF7 is soo cool? NOO, try to be cool when i say it´s not!" Btw. Who in the world ever played Phantasy Star 2?? If it were that good, everybody had played it and everybody had talked about that time, just like they talked about FF7. Stop hating and recognize that FF7 is the still one of the best RPG´s ever made. ;)

[@jakublulek3261]

But it was released around time when Baldur's Gate launched, I bloody picked that over FF7, and it aged much better than FF7, plus we have HD version already, when FF7 remake is still in making. It is funny that me, who is really into japanese games, would prefer Western-developed Baldur's Gate over japanese FF7 but I always considered Final Fantasy series as stuck in weird void between Japan and USA/Europe, not enough japanese but not enough western either. And I know only three games that are in this same spot and peaked my interest: Lollipop Chainsaw, Madworld and No More Heroes. Blimey, I am still waiting for Valkyria Chronicles to get some recognition (and not bad publicity like with that awful Valkyria Revolution), that is future cult classic for sure.

[@marshy9948]

I'm guessing there wasn't a lot of poon running around that house back in '97 :)

[@ChipRichey]

Looks like you guys will be passing 100,000 subs in the next few days! Congrats! That's awesome!

[@thatboytoni238]

I'm some years late but the game I'm about to say may come off as a surprise to most. Growing up I was raised on NES and Super Mario Bros like a lot of kids in my generation but I never got into Mario 3. I liked 1 and World the best, only ever played 2 and 3 on the All-Stars collection like a lot of people. I decided to play a bunch of NES games recently and try to beat them, having always felt bad for not giving Mario 3 a chance I did. It's a pretty long game, hard as balls getting up to world 7 and beyond, and I have to say I can see why it's a lot of people's favorite. I used to think Mario looked funny and the different suits were stupid but now I really have a newfound respect for the game. Challenging through reflexes, not necessarily through memory. Good music. Varied boss fights. Cool items/powerups. The Bowser fight was cool too.

[@mortiphasm6816]

I had a similar experience with Code Veronica, which was the first RE game I played. It was fairly difficult at first, especially given the limited ammo, but I eventually came back and finished it. It helps that the knife is a lot more useful than other games.

[@disparityband]

I wondered if the "DOOM is nothing to blow your wad over" line was intentional. In the original DOOM on PC the data files were called ".wad", or just WADs. Although capable/intended to wad together many maps and textures (episodes essentially), the word basically came to mean "custom map". I've downloaded many a wad. I'm unsure because I don't know if these guys only know console gaming or what.

[@seriousspikesam7770]

Most memorable 2nd chance was maybe Sonic & Knuckles... Once upon a time I laughed at Sonic '06 and Werehog and thought "what the hell was SEGA thinking?" I got a present handheld with 20 Genesis games and tried playing S&K because it looked most interesting but I couldn't figure out how to get out of the chain traps and ended my game there. Later, after actually reading the manual I learned about the spin dash and enjoyed the game a lot. Today I have purchased most of Sonic games from 1 to Racing Transformed, make sprite videos and still see light in the future of the Blue Blur. Thank you for reading this pointless message and merry Christmas (in 17 days)!

[@tetrisdave]

Good story and Merry Xmas!

[@AnArchyRulzz]

Oh man, Bubble Ghost brings back some memories. It was a game I played a lot as a kid on my original Game Boy, my sisters usually hogged the good games like Super Mario Land 2 and others, they didn't like that game so I played it a lot. Definitely a hidden gem.