3DO vs Jaguar vs 32X - Which is Best? Or Worst?

[@GameSack]

Which platform do YOU think wins? Why?

[@vegaspaul9428]

Yeah I think you nailed it. Still have my 3do and 32x, never knew anyone who had or decided to buy the jaguar. 3do really was ahead of it’s time and I myself being a plumber who doesn’t wear a tie would know. Thanks for the great vids as always.

[@vidsofyermom]

@@vegaspaul9428 Hello Kitty Dreamcast.

[@malcolmar]

Another great episode. Thank you. I too think the 3DO was pretty impressive for its time and I also feel the Jaguar just did not live up to its potential. With all that said, I'll take the 32X. It is the only one I had back in the day and I still own one now. It is one of the reasons why I became a retro gamer. The backwards compatibility with Genesis games was a big plus and I feel a lot of its games have aged well and are fun to play today. There were so many 32-bit Sega arcade games that would have been perfect for the 32X but sadly we never saw that happen. If any indie developers made system pushing 32X physical releases I know I would be on board with that especially seeing all the great modern Sega Genesis releases. Doom Resurrection was incredible for the 32X and very cool to play on real hardware.

[@froedlmetallmann4643]

Well, considering the games, all three basically were overpriced crap. Each one has some play-worthy game(s), yet none would justify the price. The 32X led to the tower of doom, needing lots of cabling, as well as not providing power daisy chaining.

[@Fr0stM00n]

Having all those systems, I have to say I played the 3DO the most because of NFS however because of how crazy it looked, the 32X is still my favorite of those three! Too bad you didn’t include the CDi as well as the Nuon! (I still own all those systems but sadly they are all collecting dust!) thanks for another great episode! BTW, is there a Game Sack Discord group?

[@wraithcadmus]

This was a fascinating era, the gap between the 16-bit classics and the ascendance of the PS1. No-one knew what would work and what wouldn't, so they just went for it.

[@DreamMarko]

"Since you're a hummingbird you have lots of weapons" is such an unexpected and great sentence to say :D

[@project_boredom2940]

I found an Atari Jaguar for $20 at my local game store. It came with no cords or anything but after giving it a good clean and the right accessories it is now working!!!

[@jessragan6714]

Then after you played some games, you hoped you held onto the receipt.

[@project_boredom2940]

@@jessragan6714 Ngl, I kinda like the system. Sure it came out at the wrong time but I think if it had better development and timing it could’ve been a classic.

[@tempestfennac9687]

@@project_boredom2940 I heard programming for it was really difficult, which is apparently why Doom and Cybermorph lacked music in levels. Which games do you own for it?

[@project_boredom2940]

@@tempestfennac9687 I have Cybermorph, Tempest 2000, and soon I’ll be getting Zool 2. Not sure how many games I’ll get for the system. Probably just a couple more like AVP and Doom when I can find them for a good price.

[@andrecondesso8057]

​@@tempestfennac9687 Figth for life.

[@StRoRo]

For me having a quick 10min blast of Afterburner Complete is worth the ownership of the 32x alone.

[@talideon]

Star Control II is so good! It's essentially an RPG with 2D space combat and resource gathering minigames. The story has a lot in common with Mass Effect 3 up until the point you run into Marauder Shields as it centres around gaining allies.

[@TonyToon]

I wish I’d played SC2 back in the day - it’s like the Star Trek RPG (minus the stuffiness) we all deserved.

[@rebeccasam3434]

Yeah, star control 2 is amazing, at least the 3D0 version. For me, the only N64 game that sells me on the system all the way is Zelda, but that’s neutralized by star control 2, and ignoring those two I think three has a stronger Library. I’m not sure in the United States but in Japan it has a larger Library than n64 also.

[@ericl7519]

I'm an Afterburner and Mortal Kombat junkie so I just HAD to have the 32x.Great presentation as usual!

[@rebeccasam3434]

I’m really impressed by how good those look. At the time I really didn’t care because I moved way past being impressed by that, and ironically I’m more impressed by the graphics today that I was 30 years ago! It doesn’t look as good as the Saturn versions, but it still looks silky smooth to me and pretty damn impressive

[@turbinegraphics16]

I believe the Jag development kit allowed using jpg files that are then uncompressed by the hardware into ram as the games were about 2 Mb which is smaller than a lot of 16 bit games and some 8 bit ones.

[@blaat44]

Iron Soldier for the Jaguar was my favorite game on the system by far. I couldn't remember the name of the game for years though so thank you for covering it!

[@Blas4ublasphemy]

I believe that game was also released on the Apple Pippin and Nuon. I wonder what a CIB of one of those is worth now?

[@Super_D36]

This type of competition episode would be perfectly suited for handhelds.

[@TheKillogicEffect]

I recall getting the 32X with Doom and asking myself "This is better?" then I pulled it out of my Sega and played Sonic and Knuckles ...lol.. Great video sir and thank you for all the awesome work you do!!!!

[@mii9010]

Don't forget the 3DO also had games like Policenaughts, D the Kenji Eno game and Dr Hauzer (an adventure game that's a hybrid of Alone in the Dark and RE) Honestly there's actually quite a decent amount of cool looking JP exclusives on the 3DO and since it had a niche enough following people were willing to experiment. Konami was even planning to make Metal Gear 3 on it

[@NinjaRunningWild]

And Escape From Monster Manor.

[@stoves5877]

also didn't the 3DO have it's very own Wing Commander?

[@Marc_Araujo]

I still wish that Policenaughts got a Western release on the 3DO.

[@genstarmkg5321]

@@stoves5877 I don't think, though it got WC3 and a remake of the first one (now called Super Wing Commander)

[@stoves5877]

@@genstarmkg5321 Super Wing Commander that's the one i'm thinking of. Yeah while not a "new" game it was new enough with new animations, sprites, and voice lines. It felt like a new game. Still suprised it wasnt on this list.

[@konradfun]

For that Spacehulk game you're supposed to use the tactical menu to coordinate your squad. It's a strategy game that also happens to allow you to go into first person and shoot things. You're not supposed to play it like Doom or Wolfenstein.

[@archive3do769]

People try the same thing with way of the warrior. As if they can spam the controller like they do in other fighting games. Then they get mad when the game refuses their spammy inputs and it "sucks and feels bad!"

[@NinjaRunningWild]

Yeah, it's obviously based off the board game which is turn-based strategy (& hard).

[@GameSack]

@@archive3do769 LOL someone actually defending Way of the Warrior?

[@GameSack]

@@NinjaRunningWild Yeah I mean obviously. How could I miss something so obvious?

[@archive3do769]

@@GameSack I learned how to play it. Beat the tournament mode twice recently when revisiting it. Took me like 15 minutes tops focusing on how to play it, and I'm diagnosed ADD. Surely you can manage to match the same.

[@Athesies]

Ive always been interested in these consoles, theyre like a mid point between the 16 bit era and the true 32 bit consoles. Im keen to see how you compare them

[@rebeccasam3434]

3DO definitely is part of the same generation as Saturn, PSX, and n64. I’m not 1000% sure where I would peg the other two, though they probably count. I might stick Sega CD with them also. But at a minimum 3DO definitely is part of the same generation and looks a lot like a Saturn or a PSX

[@Athesies]

@rebeccasam3434 eh to each their own but the best looking 3do games like road rash and need for speed kind just look mediocre on the ps1 to me. 3do didn't run those technically decent games super well, I struggle to imagine it running something as comparably impressive and smooth as say spyro or sega rally, though I could be wrong

[@rebeccasam3434]

@@Athesies my take has always been that it’s less powerful than those two, though I’ve heard some ports from 3DO look and run worse on PSX but I’ve never played anything I played on 3DO on PSX. Plus I don’t know how things would’ve been had it had the same level of development later on that the other two systems were getting. I know it’s GPU isn’t completely worse than PSX, but I would assume overall it’s the weakest of the three just based on when it launched if nothing else

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

3DO came out years before the other 32bit consoles so it was compared against the 16bits at the time.

[@rebeccasam3434]

@@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 well, it came out one year earlier, but it’s most comparable to Saturn and PSX.

[@thegardner80]

I had a Jaguar back in the day. This is actually a pretty fair assessment. One thing, Defender Plus is the best mode in Defender 2000.

[@nicksofps7941]

This was a fantastic episode. I had the Jag on pre-order back in the day with AvP and Cybermorph so I found myself weirdly routing for the Jaguar to get the nod here, it put up a decent effort at least lol.

[@theharvardyard2356]

My main takeaways from this video: The sound effects are hard panned left or right like an Amiga game.

[@telengardforever7783]

God, I remember the 3DO display stands where EVERYWHERE in the early 1990's. The demos running on them were awesome! Real voice and music and amazing graphics. My NES at the time just couldn't compare. But my father looked at the price tag and was like "Nah." I guess back then adults weren't used to paying sky high prices for everything like we are now. I remember the 3DO price was around $800 for that machine which seems like a steal compared to the pandemic price of a PS5 around $2k.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Only one of these consoles has a version of Pebble Beach Golf Links on it, so therefore the 3DO wins due to Stadler by Association.

[@chanhjohnnguyen1867]

Craig stadler is only in the Saturn version iirc

[@JomasterTheSecond]

​@@chanhjohnnguyen1867 That's why it's Stadler by Association - he doesn't appear but it's associated with him.

[@Mittens0407]

What about Golf Magazine Presents: 36 Great Holes Starring Fred Couples?

[@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT]

I was hoping the cyber morph would end with " where did you learn to fly?" And you did not disappoint

[@michaelwalsh3474]

This is a great video. I'd love to see more like it in the future if at all possible. PlayStation vs N64 vs Saturn. Or Dreamcast vs PlayStation 2 vs GameCube vs Xbox (I think that's when gaming peaked). Thank you for all your hard work, Joe. 😊

[@Bob-lw5gs]

They already did ps vs saturn

[@GameSack]

Thanks! PS2 vs GC vs Xbox is one I'd definitely like to do. The game selection for the video would be TOUGH!

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

I was thinking the same thing and we all know that the PlayStation would win hands down but that depends on if Joe decides to use the same rules as he did with the 32X, Jaguar and 3DO which would make sense.

[@ramadjones]

While I'm an Xbox fan, Playstation 2 would absolutely destroy the other consoles in comparison. The PS2 library is ridiculous. The DC, GC and Xbox have some solid standout titles, but... yeah.

[@goldenheartOh]

​@@ramadjonesI was big on graphics back then, so Xbox was my choice. PSX controller felt awkward for me too.

[@GuestZer0]

You want the absolute best of the absolute worst? You've come to the right place!

[@sharoyveduchi]

I'd rather buy a 3DO or Atari Jaguar than a PS5. At least they have exclusives to speak of.

[@Slabbin_Cabin]

​@@sharoyveduchiBrilliant narrative. Buy a dog shit console as long as it has dog shit exclusives!

[@cogitoergodumm]

I've never played any of these consoles, so it's interesting to see such a side by side comparison. Really well done video!

[@CommodoreFan64]

If you know where to find the Bios files for the SEGA CD, and 32X(make sure you find all 3), and you still have a DVD drive in your PC to burn SEGA CD games to a CD-R, then it's very easy to emulate using KEGA Fusion, and has been so since the early 00's, so yeah give it a go, you won't regret it, and I highly recommend Virtua Fighter with a friend, and a few beers. Also while Knuckles Chaotix is a game I don't really care for the music is fantastic, and their sound test in the game is still the best way to listen too it by far with the build in visualiser.

[@Holammer]

Another great episode introducing two new bugbears for Joe. Jpeg compression artifacts & Amiga style hard panning. The panning issue might have been mentioned before.

[@corey2232]

I'm only 20 mins into the video, but there's a really fun shooter on 3DO called Captain Quazar that deserves a mention. Phoenix 3 was also fun to play, though I'm not sure how good it is in 2023 (I haven't played it in like 15 years). Edit: For the "Miscellaneous" category, FIFA is often considered the best 3DO sports game. Also, Foes of Ali was actually a good boxing game for anyone interested. 3DO also had good ports of Wing Commander & Syndicate.

[@616Entertainment]

Well, there's a new Game Sack. It's go time!

[@Unquestionable]

Very cool comparison video and perfect way to end my weekend. Was at a local gaming convention and TIm Kitzrow, the announcer from NBA Jam/NFL Blitz/and tons of pinball titles, was a guest and told some interesting stories about working in the industry during that era along with just being a great guy in general. Actually had a signed copy of the 32X version of NBA Jam available for sale along with versions for pretty much every console it was released on (picked up the PS3 remake myself as I was super curious and heard good things like a decade ago).

[@SigSantilio]

The Jaguar doesn't win on paper, 3DO does. Jaguar lacks texture mapping support which is very CPU-intensive if you don't have hardware support for it (same for 32X). Jaguar and 3DO are very different and perform better in specific scenarios for each one.

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

Jaguar specs are typical Tramiel soap on a rope nonsense, don't relate to actual game performance

[@nng1979]

In terms of raw processing power 32x would be much faster than 3DO and Jaguar. Just one of the SH2's deliver superior floating point capability and integer performance than Jag's MC68000 at 1.5MIPS and 3DO's ARM12 at 3.5MIPS. Neither of the 3 systems really had hardware geometry support and had to use their respective processors to brute force them but 32x could sling about 20-30k in practice which is more than a Pentium 60 would muster in software back in 1996. Color depth was where the Jaguar had a leg up but mainly in splash screens and bitmaps and was still constrained by that 68000. 2 megs of RAM for a console in 1993 was a luxury and both Jag and 3DO benefited from this as this was literally 20 X more work memory than the previous generation..THAT was the biggest upgrade.

[@pharmtek]

I disagree. 3DO is a very good system on paper, but I think Saturn is the best game machine ever.

[@popixel]

"Since you're a humming bird, you have a lot of weapons at your disposal." 😂😂😂

[@turrican3839]

There were a handful of more shooters avaliable on the Jaguar such as Skyhammer, I-War and Battlesphere

[@ControlAllDa1337]

Same for the 3DO, PO'ed most notably

[@jonnyelpoiss7]

They also forgot star wars arcade for the 32x

[@turrican3839]

@@jonnyelpoiss7 They didn't lol

[@jonnyelpoiss7]

@@turrican3839 sorry, I meant in the shooter section. 😅

[@palebeachbum]

Every time one of your new videos pops up in my feed and I see 3DO mentioned in the title, I'm all over it. 3DO was by far my favorite console. Having played on a 286 MHz PC for several years, the 3DO seemed so amazing at the time. Even though the gameplay itself wasn't anything too spectacular, they felt immersive to my 12-year-old brain due to the CD-quality audio and faster frame rates than what I was accustomed to on the PC. I finally had to give it up around 2005. My 3DO died. I couldn't find anyone to fix it. I bought a used one off eBay and it lasted a few months before it started having issues. I sold it along with ALL of my games. It was hard to do and made me pretty depressed. I have lots of great memories playing The Need for Speed, Road Rash, Return Fire, Crash and Burn, The Life Stage, Alone in the Dark, and many others.

[@ScrapKing73]

I have two of these, the Jaguar and the 32X. If I had to let go of one, I’d easily keep the Jag. I have a Sega Nomad for Genesis games, and Jag software is more interesting to me than 32X-specific software. There’s also a pretty vibrant homebrew community for the Jaguar, including new commercial software. I bought “Defender of the Crown” for the Jag recently. :-)

[@RivalAudioTTV]

I like how you snuck in one "Where did you learn to fly"... just for us ;)

[@DavidBrown-bs7gg]

Had a 3DO, it blew me away when I bought it. Some great innovations, like a headphone jack in the comtroller, and the CD visualiser. Not to mention the original Need for Speed

[@damonappel]

The 3DO's Need For Speed still stands as one of my favorite racing games, ever. While the PS1 version had a better frame rate, it dropped the competitive notion which the (albeit corny) FMV scenes provided. It also inexplicably removed the car slowdown when you hit the berm. On 3DO, even a slight roll on the gravel could shave off that second or two you needed to pull off the race win. Which made you focus even more intently on driving fast, accurately and dangerously. Such a great game. NFS alone was worth the purchase of the system. --And an in-store kiosk demo in a Media Play store was the reason I started saving-up and trading-in to buy the 3DO, so many years ago.

[@9ner]

@@damonappel after learning more about the 3do, it's kind of like the dreamcast of that era. innovative with flashes of what was in store for 32 bit gaming while having a fun library. pretty damn cool system.

[@Chris.in.taiwan]

Joe, would it have helped if the 32x had an excellent outrun port?

[@mightydegu]

This was probably the biggest missed opportunity with the 32X, along with the lack of a true Sonic game. Space Harrier and Afterburner are amazing on the 32X, so games like OutRun and Galaxy Force should have been priorities for Sega.

[@Chris.in.taiwan]

@@mightydegu Sega is missed potential in a nutshell

[@freddiejohnson6137]

Nothing would have helped the 32X because Sega of Japan didn't want to even make games for it as they wanted to concentrate on the Saturn and an arcade port from years before wasn't exactly going to get people noticing it

[@charlesanthony6368]

I loved the sound test in knuckles chaotix

[@EmperorMAR]

Thanks for listing the games on the website so they are easier to check out. The Jaguar had some stronger Fighters and Racers than I realized. And I confirmed that, though not quite as bad, the jpeg artifacting is still noticeable on CRTs

[@cajampa]

I agree with the 3DO as the winner. I had an crazy amount of fun with Return Fire multiplayer, Road Rash, Need For Speed back then. One game you missed on the 3DO in the shooter category was Wing commander 3.

[@Sly88Frye]

24:41 Okay wow a shooter where you play as a hummingbird shooting all kinds of crazy magical weapons is something I just could never have imagined that pull the crap that is somehow a really creative and brilliant idea

[@OhMyPoBoy]

I’ve been thinking about picking up a 3do lately. It has no copy protection, so i’d be able to explore its library by simply burning the games to cd. If im not mistaken, it renders 3d with quads instead of triangles!

[@Sinn0100]

Just make sure you buy the right discs. I believe Verbatim CD-Rs work with the 3DO but I can't remember for certain. I haven't burned a 3DO game in a very long time. Just research the discs first because some CDRs have a success rate at like 10%. Oh and make Road Rash one of your very first burns, you won't be sorry.

[@matthewnikitas8905]

As long as you’re ok with burning a hole in your wallet to buy games then hey go for it 😅

[@Sinn0100]

@@matthewnikitas8905 Not necessarily...it really depends on what he wants. I mean 3DO is high but not Neo Geo AES high. Plus he can burn every single game and play them without issue. Doing it that way and he's spending what...a few dollars per game? I don't know as I haven't purchased a spindle of CDRs in a long time.

[@jessragan6714]

@@Sinn0100 You know what really sucks? Burning games for an Amiga CD32. Good luck getting ANY discs to run on that mofo! (I probably need an ODE or somethin'.)

[@Sinn0100]

@@jessragan6714 I have not tried that at all. I have never seen an Amiga 32 in real life. Hell, I saw an Amiga 500 once at a friend's house. I thought it was pretty neat.

[@mattlockhart7423]

I had a 3DO and 32X while my buddy had a Jaguar. All three systems had their perks.

[@chrisbent5734]

Oh no! I can't believe this was the last episode of Gamesack!

[@mistertitanic]

Fantastic episode all around. It's good to see some focus on these C-grade systems that we've all known about for decades but barely any of us have played. I sure learned a lot.

[@SvennyMcG]

Really fun pairing and comparison! Neat to see more light upon these consoles 🎮

[@raygleason4306]

Worth mentioning that Atari Jaguar games are still being developed and released similarly to the Sega Dreamcast. I also think you missed my favorite racing game on the Jaguar, Power Drive Rally.. it’s a really good play

[@duhdeedee]

3DO clearly had the most interesting game library of all the underachiever "next gen" consoles. It's also got a ton of weird-ass Japan-only games.

[@Borh7777]

It's funny now but back in 1994, it was a real question, with the Amiga CD32

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

I hope for your sake you didn’t buy the Amiga 32

[@Borh7777]

@@officialFredDurstfanclub ah ah, no. I had a friend with an Amiga and did not like it, so I bought a 3DO. It was the least bad choice I guess ?

[@f1reb4ll77]

CD32 library was quite comparable to the Western Sega CD titles.

[@bawitback]

I would use the description on 7:05 Pitfall for Johnny Bazookatone, it gets better! Missing Royal Pro Wrestling on 3DO in the fighting game section. Space Hulk on 3DO is fantastic, give it some time it's worthwhile in the end. You're missing F1GP and AutoBahn Tokio on 3DO I'd say for the better. I've been on a 3DO kick the past few months completing several games and playing a bunch of others. I really thought 32X would be the winner here, despite its lack of games it makes up for some solid titles (admittedly still next to a few stinkers). I've grew to appreciate Jaguar simple 3D flat colored games in time, but still my least out of the three. Missing notable 3DO games Blade Force, Doctor Hauzer, D, Out of This World (Another World), Trip'd, Twisted, Family Feud to name a few.

[@f1reb4ll77]

AutoBahn Tokio is terrible, but F1GP is quite comparable to World Tour Racing. MegaRace was also fun. There's also Wacky Races 2 which is somewhat similar to BC Racers, but worse.

[@videogameobsession]

Hey Joe, will you consider doing an episode covering every Doom port? That might be a 12 hour episode.. Sorry, bad idea.

[@DarkReturns1]

John from Digital Foundry did an excellent video on that subject! I think it was an hour or two long haha

[@Locomamonk]

too overdone nowadays... I think AVGN did one

[@bizarrosparks]

Stop skeletons from fighting has a great doom comparison video.

[@francescosmith7859]

He doesn't cover every port but there's a much older episode where he goes through the 32X (which ends up being his favorite), the Saturn, Jaguar, PS and N64 versions. I'm pretty sure the episode was titled "Giving Games a Second Chance." He also has a newer episode about a month ago where he brings up Doom again and he likes the newer games. That one was "Franchises that got a second chance."

[@videogameobsession]

Yes_, the DF Retro on it was good, as was the SSFF, but they didn't cover manynof the more obscure Doom ports in depth. I'm more fascinated with playing Doom on my Kodak DC-260 digital camera from 1998 than on any if my consoles. It would of course require either borrowing many of these "appliances" to play Doom on, or to get help from the community for footage and info.

[@paultimate14]

You probably didn't realize (and may still not) just how funny it is to show the Dolphins intercepting the Broncos at the time of this video's release.

[@wompha1]

Primal Rage was released in North America for the 3DO. it was the first version of the game i ever played.

[@JosephLamb1989]

The graphics on the side of the road at 3:18 is where the marines got their camo from lol

[@sakaki69]

I think you forgot something here: 3DO games at the time looked next gen. It was breathtaking to see Need for Speed, Road Rash, Fifa, Gex, Street Fighter, Star Control II, Total Eclipse and others running in your screen. That's the reason I bought a 3DO in '94, no regrets. I already had a Genesis with a Sega CD and I felt the 32x and the Jaguar had nothing to offer in comparison, just more of the same.

[@jbmaru]

The Jaguar features the most technologically advanced 16-bit games

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

32X is so underrated. It had high potential but it wasn't used it right.

[@maxxdahl6062]

They had a bunch more planned but canned too, like a 32x CD version of virtua fighter, daytona usa, primal rage, etc.

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

Maybe it's the setup. Likely from some flawed design of the original console that didn't plan out power and video passthru.

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@gluttonousmaximus9048 I doubt it was that as much as all of the CPU's and other co-processors they had to write for. Passthru's shouldn't matter too much.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I love the SEGA 32X, but I feel it should have been a stand alone CD console with at least a quad speed disc drive from the very start, and the Saturn not even existed with how poorly SEGA handled it, and I feel it would have been a better bridge till the SEGA Dreamcast came out.

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@CommodoreFan64 Nah the 32x itself was a bad idea that even sega of america didn't want, but sega of japan was forcing a stop-gap system on them thinking westerners weren't ready for a jump to full 32 bits for some reason. Sega of america tried to lessen some of the damage and production costs by making it an add on.

[@redacted2275]

I played most of the platformers mentioned here on PC back in the day and watching them being mentioned side by side made me realized that by that time, PCs were already worthy competitors against the 32-bit era of video games... Also, we still lived in the boom of shareware CD-ROMs/floppy disks days containing most of these releases, it was an affordable way to at least experience them a little without the need of buying three, four consoles...

[@BiohazardEXTREME]

Seeing all those performance captured fighting games really makes me appreciate how good Mortal Kombat was. I think a lot of developers back then really underestimated how much effort it took to make MK games look and feel as good as they did. It seems like a lot of them thought, "Oh, it's easy, you just capture footage of real people and you're done." But the art team at Midway did a lot of airbrushing and repainting on a lot of their sprites, to get them to look clean and consistent, and they painstakingly made sure that the actors' movements were performed just right that they would work well as 2D animations and feel good when playing the game. Definitely not as easy as it might seem to some developers.

[@jonbourgoin182]

You know Joe used his own gameplay footage or we would have seen the acid piss fatality from Primal Rage

[@RetroDawn]

Excellent that you made this! And you were very fair. I love these systems! You missed some great games on at least the 3DO and Jaguar, though. For 3DO, there was Super Wing Commander, Wing Commander III, Star Fighter, The Horde, Twisted, Zhadnost, Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: DeathKeep, BattleSport, Blade Force, Another World, Flashback, Captain Quazar, D/D's Diner: Director's Cut, Immercenary, Iron Angel of the Apocalypse, Kingdom: The Far Reaches, Slam 'N Jam '95, and more. For Jaguar, by far the best one missing was BattleSphere, which is amazing.

[@gerardo_contreras]

32x is the worst because it co-depends of the Genesis

[@_NoDrinkTheBleach]

The sentence "since you're a hummingbird, you have a lot of different weapons at your disposal" broke my barely awake brain.

[@stathissim]

I remember back in the day 32x was within our reach in terms of price and the fact that pretty much all of us already had a Mega Drive. There was no way our parents would get us a 3DO at that price. The Jaguar was nowhere to buy..

[@Sinn0100]

You missed a game for the Jaguar that in my eyes puts it above the other two. That game is Skyhammer and it's stupidly rare. The game features a fully polygonal open world, incredible draw distance, and all at a decent frame rate. The game looks so good it could stand toe-to-toe with a mid-generation Playstation/Saturn game. Think of the game G-Police for the Playstation but with slightly better graphics.

Agree, Skyhammer is amazing. And because of that one, I still think the Jag had muscles to compete on par with the rest of the 5th gen. Skyhammer wasn't even a finished game (I'm guessing lots of code left to optimize), and it still delivered super quality graphics, music and gameplay. Imagine the Jag with more shelf time, betters devs, better budgets, larger dev teams, more optimization on the code, etc. A great console for sure.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

lol, Jaguar is a lame console just like Atari itself being lame 🤣🤣

[@Sinn0100]

@@Adamtendo_player_1 Uh-hu...Spoken like one who knows very little about the industry or what Atari has done for it. Thank you for the useless comment.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

@@Sinn0100 Atari were only ever great in the late 70s and early 80s, I know enough to know that other than people old enough to me my grandpa, most people know that Atari apart from some arcade classics like Gauntlet and Road Blasters, will never be up there with Capcom or Konami in the arcades or Sega for that matter because Atari’s games just weren’t all that impressive compared to those giant’s arcade games.

[@Sinn0100]

@@Adamtendo_player_1 Okay, so it's obvious to me that you are young and your information is....we'll call it American centric (that's okay with me, I'm an American). Here goes...oh and know when I found out about this I was absolutely floored. I would suggest you look up the Atari ST and Atari Falcon post haste. You see while we in the US were talking about how powerful our little 8-bit consoles were...Atari (and Amiga) were making Earth shattering waves in the UK and Europe. The Atari ST was a computer built to be the best video game machine on the market. It was a monster that not only ate the Nes/Master System's lunch but it easily went toe-to-toe with arcade games of the time. We're talking about a machine that was affordable, wildly popular, and just stupidly powerful for its time. People in Europe/UK were playing fully realized 3D polygonal based games while we thought Double Dragon for the Nes was the best. Think about that...if it wasn't for the Sega Genesis who knows how far behind we would have really been. Addendum- You do know that Nintendo basically forced Atari out of the American video game market illegally right? They forced all 3rd party licensors to sign an exclusive contract preventing them from making games for anyone else (which was illegal). The three times Atari got new games for the 7800 at the same time as the Nes...the 7800 looked/played better. Check out Commando for the 7800 vs. Nes and tell me what you think.

[@11vag]

Thank you for putting the effort into making these videos. I know it takes time.

[@markwebster4996]

Having Denver play Miami in Madden after the recent 70-20 game is a nice tough! Subtle details

[@neoclassic09]

The new doom they made for 32x might be the best version out there. Two player and great gfx

[@fiskburk2908]

Joe I love the quality of sound in the bgm, thanks for your effort!!

[@AdamJDM1]

I always considered the 3DO the best of the "bad" videogame consoles. I bought mine on a trip to Japan a few years ago, and really enjoyed the console for what it is. Also the build quality on those first gen machines were absolutely premium as well.

[@bornwisedistruction]

Gamesack gives you that old school ZDTV/TechTV Warm glow of your CRT TV at 3am feeling!

[@bruceg22000]

Joe, I bought the 3DO for $700 too. Fortunately, I decided to return it and got my money back.

[@MVLGAMING]

I believe you can use a zapper for Demolition Man on the 3DO. Though I do have a 3DO and Demolition Man, admittedly I've never own the correct zapper to use it. (I know its not a zapper, but KZbin doesn't like certain words. You know what I mean!)

[@FamousWolfe]

I just realized Cybermorph looks like a crappier version of Terminal Velocity and Fury 3! The resemblance is uncanny though, you can absolutely see where a lot of the ideas from Cybermorph carried over into Terminal Velocity and Fury 3.

[@urmie]

Best part of Demolition Man is when you select Easy in difficulty settings, Stallone says “You suck”. 😂

[@dmitch1983]

I like how the 666 turned red. Excellent detail.

[@Laserdreamz]

2 player Return Fire is one of the most glorious gaming experiences ever!

[@ivey77426]

All 3 of those are garbage platforms not worth your time, yet, somehow 32X looks like it actually has better games than the rest. Unexpected when you think about it. Yes the 3DO has far more games than both Jag and 32X but vast majority of those games are trash anyway.

[@codybourdot]

Jag is the only console I ever sold and never looked back. Handful of amazing titles, otherwise a genuinely bad system with a terrible controller, janky CD add-on, and no dust cover. 32x might be the least remarkable, but is the only one of the three to have a degree of quality control from its parent company and stands with a modest library of average to mostly non-embarrassing games. 3DO is by far the best. Tons of crap, but the library is massive enough accommodate with lots of hidden gems. Not a lot of exclusives to write home about, but the real strength are its arcade and computer ports, which were the best way to play a lot of those titles on a console at the time.

[@BlownMacTruck]

I really wish we knew more about the motion capture actor for the guy who played Angus in Kasumi Ninja. Imagine Joe interviewing that dude…

[@JasonRasmussen]

I didn't even bother with the 32X when Toys R Us had a huge bin of them for $19 with games going for $5-10.

[@RetroGamerBB]

You know who id vote for ♦️🟦🟡 Primal Rage wasnt japanese exclusive on 3DO btw. @12:27 Foes of Ali could have been in the 3D fighter section on the 3DO side.

[@sharoyveduchi]

If the 3DO or Jaguar released today in the same spirit (same amount of exclusives, same amount of game variety, ability to get the whole game and not worry about updating or DLC) they would completely outclass the PS5 and Xbox Series X.

[@RetroGames4K]

Nice video, and very nostalgic😁👍🏽. By the way, wich upscaling filter do you use? It looks amazing😮

[@froedlmetallmann4643]

I think, the Jaguar is the best looking one of the three. Although, the FZ-10 looked very nice.

[@GregsGameRoom]

Jaguar looks like a console Batman would create.

[@doomguyplays]

Aaahhh, the Bloodstained T-shirt for Kickstarter backers. A man of fine taste

[@LCTesla]

One thing you could have covered was the controllers - pretty sure the 32X would blow the other two out of the water on that front.

[@nelsoncabrera6464]

There is an error on the 3DO specs. The 3DO could only do 50,000 to 100,000 polygons per second not 9-16 million and most textured and lit games did considerably less at around 20,000 polygons per sec. If it were capable of those numbers it would make the 3DO nearly three times as powerful as a Dreamcast and would nearly match the Gamecube. As for the Jaguar, there were so many bugs in the TOM and JERRY microcode that I remember people swapping photocopies of errata docs that someone had smuggled out of Atari because in their hubris (and frankly stupidity) they refused to provide proper support to third party studios working on Jaguar games. I remember getting my developer's packet and becoming bewildered at it's sheer insanity. Nothing was indexed, there was barely any annotated sample code, one document would contradict the other, etc. I actually got much better support from other devs than I ever got from Atari. It was a shame really because the machine was a 2d powerhouse and it was decent at 3d in the right hands. Also the colorspace implementation was insane leading to many games looking dull. I attempted 3DO development at one point but couldn't afford the devkit. I did get to play with one that a colleague loaned to me and must say while the documentation was no-where near the level of PS1 or even Sega Saturn kits it was head and shoulder's above the steaming pile that Atari was including in theirs..

[@GC-ps9mn]

The 3do pack in game looked more enjoyable to me than the jaguar one did but I haven't played either one so I wouldn't know for sure. The jaguar game just looked off putting to me in a way I can't really explain. Also I had no idea Dana Gould did the voice for Gex! That's cool.

[@Dr.W.Krueger]

They all have their unique appeal

[@damonappel]

A rightful and well-earned win for 3DO, and you didn't even mention Bladeforce, Star Fighter or Starblade: some of the best games on the system.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

Good to see you included the infamous line from Cybermorph at the end of the gameplay footage!

[@SolarMoth]

since you're a hummingbird, you have lots of different weapons at your disposal

[@Viprz]

This was the era of bad business decisions. It was interesting that 3DO licensed it's tech to several brands, I think this was the only time something like that happened during a production run. In the end they were too expensive and not enough good games. The Jaguar had some hits but could've been a lot better. The system was too hard for most developers due to the lack of support and documentation required to utilize the Tom and Jerry processors. Disappointing considering it was Atari's last chance to stay in the market. The 32X was simply unnecessary as the Saturn was only a year away. The cash grab left a bad taste in the mouth of many gamers as the 32X was discontinued after only one year which, in my opinion, was the beginning of the end for Sega in the console market.

[@tahustvedt]

Every retro hobby has a "smelling new parts" thing.

[@fringeelements]

40:33 - "You pilot the world's slowest and most unresponsive mech" Excuse me, have you ever piloted a mech?

[@viktordjemin7262]

Awesome Video. Please do more Console Comparisons like this in the future

[@ryanhursh6322]

Way of the Warrior was 🔥 and had White Zombie in the soundtrack which is the first time I can recall real music making it into a video game.

[@Biozeminado]

26:34 The reason why the game is running too fast is because the game's framerate is tied to the console output resolution. If you have a Japanese 3DO w/output mode switch or any 3DO w/3DORGB kit and have the output set to 240p rather than 480i, it overclocks the game way too fast. You can see the same result (albeit much worse) with the 3DO port of Another World.

[@nicksrandomreviews]

Fun fact: Primal Rage on 32X actually comes with another version of the game. If you don't set your 32X up correctly, the sprites will vanish, allowing you to play Mormon Primal Rage.

[@OctoberRaven]

Kolibri is arguably the best hummingbird based shooter on the 32x

[@HesarealNoWhereMan]

You did not mention P.O.ed on the 3DO. The greatest first person shooter ever invented.