Games That Make the Console Look Weak 3

[@GameSack]

What is a game that you think makes the console it's on look weak?

[@Jamesamong007]

Pit Fighter on the SNES

[@brandname6]

Finalfantasy chronicles , and final fantasy anthologies on ps1. Old games on new hardware with much longer loading times.

[@pourgoi_6100]

Quake 4 for the xbox 360

[@mscottjohnson3424]

Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon on the PlayStation 4

[@jessragan6714]

Got it. Chase HQ II on the Sega Genesis. Nobody expects quality 3D graphics from the Genesis, but this is unacceptable even by that system's low to the floor standards. Everything is so flat... flat car, flat road, flattened cartridge after you run over it with your Buick. Taito made some pretty good games on the Genesis, but this ain't it, chief.

[@Write-Stuff]

6:17 Mark's eyes quickly glancing at the screen is the type of thing that makes Game Sack so great. You're the best, Joe.

[@arcticridge]

he screamed CRASH BANDICOOT to us with those eyes

[@Stavekoff]

i thought i hallucinated that

[@joedirtbag6662]

spooky

[@spvrda]

Appreciate Joe going for so long. Never dipped in quality, always excellent.

[@jessragan6714]

He's the cure for the common KZbin screamer.

[@ButchInZero]

That's what she said.

[@zach--m]

It’s pretty incredible, does he work as well or just KZbin?

[@benergizer6368]

I just realized that the other guys isn’t here anymore. (Can’t remember his name) what ever happened to him?

[@Mimi.1001]

@@benergizer6368 Dave left the show in 2019 to focus more on his family and his job at FedEx, he returned occasionally for some special episodes in the past and probably will return for an episode or another in the future.

[@speore]

Having a new game sack episode when you get home from a awful day at work is a God sent.

[@spider-ham7140]

I’ve been watching Gamesack since 2013 and I’m so glad Joe is still making videos

[@bananonymouslastname5693]

I don't know how much effort went into that little joke moving Mark Cerny's eyes, but I assure you it was worth it.

[@dwood78part23]

Another Saturday night with Game sack. Love the topic.

[@vintageroller]

I really enjoyed battle arena toshinden 3. The graphics were much improved for that game. It even had a 60fps mode… which removed all the textures and backgrounds lol. Still a great fighter for the time

[@auoro]

i like that you dont just bash the game, the comparison looks well researched and make the video so much enjoyable. thanks for the content.

[@StankMask]

Best channel on KZbin. Straight up. I’ve known Joe since exporting stereo sound Sega and legit - the best retro game channel is here. Sub immediately.

[@tomcruiiseship9461]

I like your videos too.

[@englishwithphil42]

Joe, you have provided 8 years of glorious entertainment to me. I want to thank you so much for it. Goodbye.

[@geldofpunk32]

Are you ok

[@101Leafy]

Based Game Sack is always here to play and appreciate games with decades of refined taste. My refuge from today's gaming industry

[@1BergerVongSchlauigkeitHer]

Old man yells at console.

[@chrismorozin4145]

I appreciate every word here except the word based.

[@rodmunch69]

I bought Shove It for the Genesis, they had it for $12 on sale at Toys R Us in 1990, and that made it an instant buy for me. The idea that you could actually buy a brand new game at that price was insane. So after finally getting home after being out all day with my mother, and reading, and re-reading the box and manual over and over again in the car - I fire up my new game cartridge... and yep, it's a game where you push a box. I will say that I played this way more than I've ever played any other game where you push a box around.

[@drakabeko5145]

I bought the Saturn first before buying the PS1 2 years later. But before I bought the PS1, I remember seeing Toshinden 1 being demoed at a store and I was so impressed by its graphics. Some time later Toshinden came to the Saturn, and I bought it immediately. Indeed it was such a let down. everything looked dark, the new character art looked worse. I don't know why Ellis costume used dithering but Cupido's stage could be transparent. You thought I'd learn from that but in the end I also ended up buying Toshinden URA and D-Xhird, only to be disappointed all three times.

[@themeangene]

The Saturn can handle 2D transparencies fairly easily if built from the ground up. That's why Sonic R for example has transparent bubble effects. The issue arises when you're trying to draw transparencies from triangles or you don't pay attention to the chip you're using on the Saturn. On a triangle system like the Playstation the geometry is drawn as flat lines from bottom to top. If you try to import triangles into the quad based Saturn however 2 vertices have to overlap to mimic a triangle which causes uneven transparencies. A lot of games made for the Saturn exclusively in the final year finally cracked the problem but it was too late.

[@straightupanarg6226]

To be fair, Shove It on Genesis (and GB Boxxle) was a version of Sokoban, which every system had to have at the time (I first played it as the shareware MacSokoban on a Macintosh 512kE.) For a deep dive, see Jeremy Parish's review on Gameboy Works.

[@martinevans1206]

I believe the VDP2 chip on the Saturn can do transparencies hence the ones in the background in that Battle Toshinden game, whereas VDP1 cannot so the character’s skirt could not be done properly.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

Both VDPs can do transparencies, the same way you could have transparencies on the Mega Drive and SNES, it was just uncommon for developers to use the VDPs to their full potential.

[@jediguy634]

Thanks Joe for keeping Game Sack alive! One of my favorite channels! This series is right up with my favorite with Games that push console limits!

[@BrazenScull]

With no disrespect to Dave, I’m really liking Joe’s single-man approach to Game Sack. It just feels more focused and consistent.

[@bigduke5902]

It's especially funny during certain segments when you're reminded Joe is doing all of this completely alone while a camera records it in dead silence.

[@THEGREATMAX]

I used to own Shove It for the Sega Genesis I later found out there are like 40 puzzle games that are literally level for level copies of Shove It I don't know which one came first, but this is one of those games that was sold a hundred times with different titles

[@straightupanarg6226]

The basic game was called Sokoban, which I'm guessing was what Shove It, Boxxle and all the rest were called in Japan. They were all ports of the same basic game. Later level-for-level copies are pirated editions/ports of Sokoban. For a deep dive, see Jeremy Parish's review of Boxxle on Gameboy Works.

[@metachuko]

11:40 I thought you were gonna mention the swastika pattern when you said "look at this"

[@rsmith02]

Me too!

[@Ganjabeard5000]

CHANNELS THAT MAKE THE KZbin LOOK GREAT 3 - GAME SACK

[@evwaldron]

In Slave Zero on Dreamcast you missed that if you use the verticality of the levels, which is easy to do, the upper buildings have no roofs and you fall out of the world LOL

[@aewtech]

These types of compilations always break my heart. Great video games don't just happen, they take time, hard work and talent. These guys, well, I like to think they really tried their best ... 😅

[@bloodblues85]

The closing gag always makes me watch until the very end.

[@WWammyy]

In my mind the PS1 to the Saturn was what the Super Nintendo was to the Mega Drive. While the Mega Drive beat the Super Nintendo in some ways like faster processor and generally higher resolution the thing that always stood out was the Super Nintendo having more onscreen colours. Same for the PS1 the Sega Saturn beat the PS1 in some ways like 2D Sprites and even 3D didn't look too bad but PS1 ports made the Sega Saturn look weak because of the way transparencies work on the Sega Saturn. But both the Mega Drive and Sega Saturn have examples of games that look great and play to the strengths of the respective consoles

[@emmastarr5242]

The reskinning of Street Combat is especially odd, since if I'm not mistaken, didn’t one of the Ranma fighting games for SNES make it outside of Japan?

[@nopenop1495]

A new episode is always a treat; I look forward to them every other week.

[@vallaurianv6024]

Nice Joe. Entertaining episode which hasn’t left me searching eBay for once! My wallet thanks you.

[@ytmhcubed]

Give it some more years, this channel will end up just a bunch of jokes and crazy end skits. I'm not complaining.

[@ravagingwolverine]

I couldn't remember if it had already been covered in previous episodes, but I instantly thought of Golden Axe for PC Engine when I saw this episode's topic. Good to see it in here. I don't know what they were thinking with that one. Imagine being a PC Engine owner in Japan and picking that up thinking you were going to get a decent arcade port. I suppose reading magazines was really important in those days for such situations. What an epic disaster. And we know the PC Engine can do so much better. Sticking with PC Engine, that Strider port is unfortunate. As the story goes, it was supposed to be a SuperGrafx game, which makes sense since Strider isn't well suited to the base PC Engine. SuperGrafx is so weird. Not only did it only have five games(plus the two hybrid Darius releases as I recall), but those few games came out over a period of almost two years. It's crazy. The PC Engine was a good machine, but it hit its sprite limits fairly often to where flicker was noticeable. The Genesis managed to do Strider thanks to its increased sprite capabilities, in addition to the second background layer, in its high-resolution mode, and even then it probably barely held it together. Interestingly the Strider franchise has an odd history with looking bad. Strider Returns is notoriously awful. The NES Strider game, while still okay, is a buggy mess. It's clearly unfinished. What's weird is that it was meant for Japan, and then never released there. I concede that Toshinden looked good at the time, but it was not nearly as good as Virtua Fighter or Tekken. The magazines really pissed me off with that. The dithering on that one character is so funny when the game zooms out. It's amazing how bad Double Dragon was handled on the Genesis. I recently re-played Double Dragon 2 arcade and I just don't like it, so maybe it was better that the NES and PCE reworked the game. The PCE game is my favorite version. The arcade is plagued with slowdown too amazingly enough. Funny how being an unoptimized mess is the aspect of the arcade they ported faithfully to Sega's machine.

[@AskDr.Stupid]

I’ve never seen anyone wear a Greendog shirt before. That’s awesome!

[@Holammer]

Road Riot 4WD was a pretty fun arcade. The sitdown cabinet had force feedback on the wheel and the seat so you felt getting shot. As a game it's nothing special, it was an experience. Perfect for a huge & noisy amusement arcade, not so much for a home console.

[@JJKoester]

I love these episodes because I'm confident that 90% of the people who worked on the games you're covering hated the experience and said to themselves day after day, "Well, at least this is so bad that people won't remember it even existed."

[@ToH1ZZL3]

I really love this channel, it holds a special place in my heart

[@DuckAlertBeats]

That ATV game... Sounds like the riders are being shot at from off screen, which is very understandable considering the game they agreed to be in

[@mrbransformer4184]

Damn I still love this show. Crazy how long you’ve been doing it, thanks man. Unrelated but finally got a ps5, that Ratchet and Clank looks AMAZING!

[@spahr001]

I thought it would fall apart and become a game streaming site like so many other KZbin channels. Nope. It still puts out the type of quality content with witty humor it always has.

[@TVsBen]

I played Lawn Mower Man on a 486 PC with a CD-ROM back in the early 90s and thought it was super cool and futuristic but I had no idea what was going on or what to do. That combination resulted in lots of 5-minute sessions as I tried to figure it out, got frustrated, and walked away.

[@themcadamsminute8494]

What a great topic for video! As always, thanks for some of the best KZbin videos out there!!!

[@Jesse__H]

Hell yeah love a good late night Game Sack. You can wait your turn, Sleep. Joe's talking now.

[@jeremygregorio7472]

The robot character in Criticom has a backwards throw and you can ring out in this game so you can win every single match by walking backwards and then doing a throw with him

[@badbirdkc]

I remember being super disappointed by Slave Zero. But that just reminds me of when I revisited the Dreamcast not too long ago when I was, uh, making "back up copies" of games and trying them out. There really was a lot of crap games on that system. Ever play Roller Coaster Simulator? It's basically a bare bones wireframe generator. Or Air Force Delta? Or Spirit of Speed?

[@basteagui]

oh my god yes a new gamesack, i'll brew a cup a JOE

[@YamiRemi44]

Favorite part of Sunday mornings👌🏼

[@bluebomber301]

I know that’s not how you pronounce Infogrames but that’s what they get. Agreed.

[@ifkz105]

Any chance of getting an episode (or multiple) centered around the 32-bit demo discs that used to be given away? You mention the Sega Saturn and I just dug mine out and played some of the demo discs I have for it: Sega Screams, a video sampler with one of the 1995 commercials (the video quality was very good on a CRT), the Nights demo, and another later one that had Baku Baku Animal and Daytona USA CCE. It was a ton of fun for a few hours. I even found one that is a Saturn Pop music CD they must have given away with the console. If anyone else read this far, do you also remember the Sega Saturn stickers they gave away with the console? Too neat!

[@seveneyedlamb]

This is probably my favorite channel ever on KZbin... You nephilim make some good stuff about vidya games.

[@americanmeowth3336]

Loved the ending skit, as usual. Games that make the console look weak is still such a fun series, always good for a laugh.

[@CRG]

Things must be tough for Futurama's president Nixon if he's resorted to selling laundry detergent.

[@hemangchauhan2864]

Sunday is much better now

[@3diamonds524]

I don't get excited for new content from any other channel like I do for Joe and Game Sack.

[@jessragan6714]

Wow, I hadn't thought about the old-timey announcer from the All detergent commercials in a while. Thanks! I think. You're not kidding about that TurboDuo port of Golden Axe... I let out the kind of horrified shriek you'd normally make after seeing the Golden *Girls* naked. Both this and Estelle Getty will haunt my dreams for weeks.

[@JFD62780]

LONG LIVE LEON REDBONE! (note: I had to see the Wiki for Mr. Belvedere for that reference!)

[@ButtaMilkBiscuitsGaming]

Man eating Pizza is hard i did that a few times myself, but for some reason i didnt have a camera recording or ALL magically appear....ugh...

[@warrendesenberg]

Love the “Now in Color” on the teaser screen haha. Reminds me of Futurama intros

[@Red5.]

Sunday morning, Fresh cup coffee and a new video from Game Sack, Life is good

[@sawdatstyle]

That stage 2 music in Total Eclipse is one of my favorite tracks of all time

[@DeAthWaGer]

Street Combat/Ranma lets you assign up as jump in the options. Also the other characters are available, but you need a cheat (hold L&R and press A, Start on the title highlighting VS, then hold L&R again on the VS screen and hit left or right to choose).

[@worsel555]

1:38 I will say though that while the Saturn version didn't look too great if you played it on a CRT or even now through a RetroTINK 5X with scanlines the dithering looks transparent. Not as good as the PS1, but better than shown. The Twitter account 5Xpixels has a tweet from Mar 15 2022 showing it and the settings used.

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

6:15 Don't you DARE spread misinformation about one of the most important developers in history. Let it be clear: He made KNACK! And KNACK II BABY!!!

[@vodkahamburger2203]

Clearly the most important games in world history.

[@JFD62780]

AND MARBLE MADNESS! (...but not that Marble Madness II thing that just came into the public eye!)

[@solarflare9078]

And SMS California Games

[@RUOK2000]

That deadly premonitions music took me back. Great episode Joe

[@avideogamemaster]

OMG that Inindo game, I was thinking the whole time it was on NES until I noticed the music being "advanced" for NES but no, its a SNES game, holy shi...

[@Jamesamong007]

Ishido has the most misleading box art ever, i remember the first time i seen it i thought it was something like Shinobi

[@qmto]

How could you not mention the best jumping sound effect ever that’s in The Lawnmower Man on Sega CD? That sound had me rolling on the floor for ages when I first played the game ages ago. Still got it somewhere.

[@igodreamer7096]

24:48 Slave Zero, I really like to play this game in the Dreamcast back in the day.

[@Trainy2]

Very impressive how they programmed that massive slowdown for Double Dragon 2 on the Mega Drive. Theres not many games with slowdown on that system

[@RyRyTheBassGuy]

Seriously. How incompetent were those developers?

[@RealAlphaMale69]

I love you so much Joe. I always watch your videos everynight before i sleep. And now my knowledge about retro gaming is increase

[@Bleusilences]

I liked inindo way of the ninja, but it's obvious it was developed for the nes and got ported at the last minute to the snes. Really interesting game, but really slow. One of the first open world game I played.

[@mrlemonlame]

I actually really liked this game. Not so much for the graphics but other things like the spy-snoop/spy-damage on castles. Oh and the gambling too lol

[@Bleusilences]

After some help from people on a discord, it was brought to my attention that it was an MSX game originally, explaining the graphic quality,

[@regularsharp]

Can't say I've really listened to the theme song in a while, but I just blasted it in my ears with all the power a Valhalla2 can muster. I made me really happy. Love you, Joe.

[@captaincommando2602]

Best video game channel EVER !! I can't wait for another 'Left in Japan' video. Thumbs up Mr. Joe.

[@zg-it]

And now I'm off to buy some laundry detergent. Nice ad placement Joe!

[@EatWave]

Ah yes, Criticom. The game that serves as the standard for which bad fighting games are measured on Matt McMuscles' ongoing show searching for The Worst Fighting Game of All Time. Quite a few games on that show could round out a list like this one.

[@kadosho02]

That list keeps growing. It is wild how many games of the genre hit store shelves back then. Some were treasures, and some were stinkers. But that list definitely covers a ton of stinkers

[@Estorium]

Criticom vs Rise of the Robots? I rented both of them back in the day on my Sega Saturn, and damn was I upset for paying the rental fees. I can't decide which I hated more though, although I am leaning towarda Rise of the Robots.

[@Frieowksf1293]

It's still better than Catfight

[@emerje0]

@@Estorium I'm so thankful that my local rental place back then (Sounds Easy Video) had consoles set up in the game rental area so you could try them out first, saved us a lot of trouble.

[@ferrarikangaroo9271]

The beard is looking sharp mate! Thanks for more great content. Keep the videos coming! Your production value is top-tier. Hopefully one day, I can reach that kind of quality.

[@zwallop]

Your end-skit made me lol in the middle of the night. Thanks for that. :D

[@phunq9087]

Awesome callback to the Leon Redbone All commercials from back in the day.

[@OwlTowel]

Would love to know how those transitional animates between each game were made/edited, they look really neat

[@HikikomoriMedia]

I respect the use of Comic Relief from Deadly Premonition

[@matejuszmatejusz]

And i was sitting there drunk af waiting for the train to get home and poof new gamesack episode! Thank you GGG!(gamesack ginger guy)

[@ilikecurry2345]

He has a name, you know. Please, call him Joe.

[@JimPanzeeEsq]

Hahahahaha, great opening game. I remember seeing Battle Arena Toshinden and thinking 3D graphics looked crap!

[@BenCossette]

Finally Game Sack in color! Been waiting

[@BebehCookieIcecream]

Your editing is insane! Another awesome video

[@rmyancey]

Joe just keeps putting in the mail. Still the best channel on youtube.

[@pda1799]

Per usual, that ending is fantastic. (Ordering pizza)

[@jklmnopq666]

Metal Slug 2 feels that way. Glad the corrented in metal Slug x :)

[@ryun.8072]

"who needs sokoban on genesis" for… people who wants to play sokoban on genesis, i guess

[@richardbors6548]

And why is the crow on sega saturn not here.

[@themeangene]

Oh God one of the worst RE clones of all time and that's saying something.

[@toromei]

“URA” is actually a backronym made from the Japanese 裏 meaning roughly “another” or “more”, as in Ura Zelda.

[@kekeke8988]

That's not at all what ura means.

[@toromei]

@@kekeke8988 As with most Japanese-English, there is no one direct translation, but that’s a close equivalent as far as communicating the meaning. And I don’t see you offering any alternative. ;)

[@themeangene]

Total Eclipse honestly looks pretty good for a 3D game from 1993. I know your criticism was for the re release. I'm just saying I'm impressed by the original. I know that sounds absurd to younger gamers but game developers really didn't smart mastering 3D games until 1997-1998. They had no clue how to optimize the games. A lot of 2D optimization tricks no longer worked like horizontal interrupts.

[@retrovideogamejunkie]

so in the end , slave zero was without music .... (I tried the ripped version on CD ....now you understand my comment)

[@mx3fto]

Was that Richard Nixon trying to sell me laundry detergent at the end?

[@KasumiKenshirou]

It's meant to sound like Leon Redbone, who used to sing about ALL detergent in commercials decades ago, and also sang the theme song to the TV show, Mr. Belvedere.

[@pam8352]

i am asking from me to myself why megacd version of golden axe doesn't have 2 player coop mode.

[@UnderTheSkin13]

It's about time these episodes came in color.

[@AdamAus85]

When battles got really hectic in Body Harvest (n64), that system would have pretty significant frame rate drops.

[@ChaoticHoly]

I think...no, I'm _certain_ that pizza stains is the most excitement that Greendog has ever known.

[@robbyrobot3303]

Lol at Joe being such an audiophile that he enjoyed super hylide for the stereo sound

[@SomeOrangeCat]

Why is Mike Stoklasa trying to sell you detergent? "Half in the bag! ...Joe can't eat pizza good!"

[@zg-it]

Well I woke up Sunday morning, with no way to hold my head that didn't hurt. But the episode of Game sack for breakfast wasn't bad, so I'll have one more for dessert.

[@Pridetoons]

Battle Arena Toshinden had some pretty nice looking sequels for the PlayStation.

[@Level1Sword]

At first I thought the video was mislabeled since you started with comparisons. Recently I've been watching comparison videos, especially games that were early 7th-gen which included the handheld versions. Anyone else find those games fascinating?

[@roderickstrong9298]

I remember that Street Combat/Ranma 1/2 game because I rented the Ranma 1/2 version along with Dahma for the Genesis at my local video store and remember hardly touching that Ranma game.

[@robertlawrence9000]

I remember when me and a friend shared an apartment when I was younger. A neighbor would come and visit him and talk about how good his computer was and talk bad about my game consoles. I was playing PS1 mainly at the time. One day he came over and seen I had the newly released Dreamcast and was playing Soul Calibur. He didn't know what to say at the time other than it looked pretty decent. He knew the Dreamcast wrecked what his PC was able to do. 🤣

[@aerisgainsborough2141]

MSFS2020 PC VERSION:"I'm waiting consoles..."

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

Funny thing about Criticom: it got a reboot on the N64 as Dark Rift and that runs and animates MUCH more nicely. Full 60 FPS. Ironic since a lot of games on the N64 make it look weak due to the system needing specific coding to draw out its full power. Also, not knocking 240p, but scanlines can kiss my butt. I don't want to play my games on a Venetian blind. Thankfully, not all retro TVs show the effect. Anyway, PLENTY OF Switch games outside of Nintendo's own would make that console look like a slug simply because 64-bit ARM is poorly understood in terms of optimization. The very thing that allows the Switch to be a portable system both powerful and energy-efficient is also making running more up-to-date games at a decent speed difficult, almost defeating the point of the concept. But, thankfully, besides Nintendo's own games being good as usual, stuff like the modern Doom and The Witcher III ports exists.