FIRE EMBLEM 15: Echoes - Shadows of Valentia Retrospective - ShaneBrained

[@shadowmetroid18]

I really liked Berkut. His voice actor deserves an award for his performance and his descent into madness is really interesting

[@froggy-man]

i also think this

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

Ian Sinclair is an amazing talent. He is probably most known for being the dub voice of Space Dandy from Space Dandy and The Narrator from Kaguya-sama Love is War.

[@mikethepokemaster2012]

I think he overrated since all he does is lose everytime to Alm. He got a good voice though

[@Rock-vk9ei]

@@mikethepokemaster2012 Spoilers below That’s why is he’s so interesting. He’s a noble that was raised all his life to be number one. Now some random “farmhand” hands his royal cheeks to him on a silver platter every single time he fights, and later he finds out that the “farmhand” is actually heir to the throne? His throne literally got stolen from him. We know that he at least wants to win fair and square because it feels like he would not be proving himself. Except he starts caring less and less and uses Nuibaba’s power. Rinea is worried for him as his constant whooping is starting to make him crazy. With all this going on, Berkut thinks even Rinea is going to betray him so he sacrifices her for Duma’s power. Alm literally drove him insane.

[@mikethepokemaster2012]

@@Rock-vk9ei I mean it lose that aspect because Alm himself is royalty.

[@BigmanDogs]

This game definitely has the best art direction imo

[@buttery_gooch6]

i agree. we need more of fire emblem to be designed by the sov character artist

[@Cantripy]

YES

[@rebeccasheng620]

@@buttery_gooch6Engage having the knock off Genshin style aka generic anime style isn’t doing it any favor

[@Sootielove]

The colour design alone is stunning

[@dotkiarika1026]

It's because of Hidari's work!! He also did the designs for the Atelier Dusk trilogy. I really hope he becomes a staple if the "Echoes" title becomes a line for remakes, his colloring give the game such personality and this nostalgic feeling to it too

[@SuperWisemon]

Berkut is easily, not even close, the best character in the game. Fucking insanely good voice acting from him too.

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

Agreed. Berkut is easily my favorite antagonist in fire emblem, and pretty damn high up there for fantasy antagonists as a whole.

[@davidtolbert8446]

BIG FACTS

[@Haarwyvern]

I find him ridiculous and out of place to be honest. Not the worst character of the serie obviously but still pointless haha. The good thing for him is that I find almost every antagonist of the game average so it's not like he is the problem of the game. And I do find like the antagonist are bad since Awakening and even in Three Houses which is by far better written than 3ds games (at least the first two) antagonists are pretty bad. Except one okay, but this is a particular character. I find FE4, GBA's and Fe9 antagonist more intersting or even when caricatural more fun to folllow. With more interactions between themself two. And in this aspect Berkut is maybe the only one in latest game to have a lot of scene around him. That's was just the thinking progress of a random fan, bye bye 😄

[@usvidragonslayer3091]

100% agree

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 he is overrated af

[@mcihay246]

Regarding Mila's Turnwheel, it really helps out with instances of mis-clicks, the enemy getting that 1% Crit kill on your unit, or your unit missing a 90-95% or two. It's not just a safety net for mistakes, but also for BS.

[@XD-kj2uc]

Istg, I haven't played this game cuz I don't have a 3ds XD, but in 3 houses the amount of bullshit I avoided with it was a lot

[@roram_af]

It is a very good quality of life change that also encourages more risky planning since you have a wider margin of options, very welcome change

[@marcoasturias8520]

Something I love about this game is the completion reward. The title screen welcomes you with Alm and Celica as innocent children running, enjoying peace and after completion, they take a stroll as a couple, advancing towards their future... This always touches my heart like only another game has managed, and from IS too! ... No, not fe16's...

[@CyclonSilver]

I'm three months late but, which one was that out of curiosity?

[@lightbrand_]

Is it genealogy?

[@RasenRendanX]

7 months later will you give the answer?

[@GeorgisTrying]

​@@RasenRendanXhere we are at 7 months later 😅

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

24:05 minor correction, Rinea is NOT a commoner, she is a minor noble

[@Steelbleeder]

Post battle mourn quotes are amazing. They also need to add mid battle mourn quotes

[@ninjagamergirl196]

I was surprised that Berkut and Fernand were "forgettable" to you. Berkut was easily a well-known and favorited added character who had a great arc. Fernand can be forgotten if you didnt know his backstory about his family and commoners. For Conrad, I dont really mind him or his involvement in the story. Out of the new characters, I would say Faye is kinda my least favorite because her dialogues mostly consist of her feelings of Alm. However, I started to feel neutral about her because her personality is actually really protective and caring for her friends.

[@DudeCrazy198]

Some of his character opinions have been a little odd imo. He called the Sacred Stones cast boring when I found they were way more interesting than the Elibe characters in supports. They just had less story significance.

[@Lwilibert]

@@DudeCrazy198 i disagree... for anyone who has read a couple great books, 90% of the characters in the whole FE IP are quite generic or cliché. For some reason some people seem to think the lore in this games is top notch and even compare it to stuff like GoT. It's just characters interacting with a couple plot twists and villains with bad shit happening to them to create empathy. Most of the relationships are quite childish and naive in every game.

[@rosheafan]

​@@DudeCrazy198 Sacred Stones has a REALLY BORING CAST. I do not like any of its characters.

[@aka_Ingmar]

It's because his opinions are bad. I mean hell, this is the guy who thought the blood pact plot in RD was "really stupid"

[@ForsythtobeReckonedWith]

I was absolutely on pins and needles waiting for this video. Echoes is personally my favorite FE game and one who's story probably affected me the most. I remember playing it while I was quarantined at my university. I had watched let's plays and listened to the music for years but holding it in my hands was a totally unique experience. I think for me, the standout element of Echoes is it's music. It touches my very soul. Thank you for enjoying it as much as I have and giving it space to shine. I hope you liked three houses too, and I am really interested to see your unique experience with it.

[@runefaustblack]

With Mila's Divine Protection is one of the best map themes in the series ^^

[@ForsythtobeReckonedWith]

@@runefaustblack I think one of my favorite pieces from the OST is Truth, mostly cause I can actually play it on my cello. So I feel very connected to it. I love the whole soundtrack. I use it a lot for HW and D&D funnily enough

[@APurpleFable]

Echoes just has so much heart. It's not perfect, in the sense that many story beats are odd or make no sense. But as others have underlined, its overall artistic direction really gives every moment this nostalgic, poignant feeling that overshadows its narrative issues. I agree with you, it has the best music in the whole franchise in my opinion, easily. And the voice actors, the portraits and stylistic choices are also amazing. It's such a shame that they didn't rework the gameplay more. It deserved a lot more popularity than it got.

[@mads_in_zero]

I think Conrad is really the weakest link of the new characters. Fernand and even Berkut you'd be forgiven for not knowing they were additions to the remake, if you started with Echoes, but Conrad just has the same aura as someone like Marie from Persona 4 - they drop in during what are very clearly new scenes meant to include them throughout the story. It really doesn't help that Conrad steals away a lot of Celica's agency as a character. I love the concept that Conrad gives Zeke his mask though. It's an addition to the lore so pointless I just find it hilarious instead.

[@king_pigeon]

Well now we gotta know where he got that coat! And those boots! And the pants! What designer does Camus wear?!

[@bobosmith101]

I disagree, honestly. Faye has that more in spades.

[@Madeen1982]

This game was a beauty! The art, the music, the voice acting... it has a special place in my heart. I expect the Three Houses retrospective to be insanely beefy.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

I do wish we could have a Switch remaster of Echoes

[@bruyeretv]

@@unicorntomboy9736 this! or i never had a gamecube so the radiant titles would be cool to play on new gen

[@joojishibuki]

This game will always hold such a special place in my heart, such amazing presentation and a wonderful story with relatable characters.

[@Hesketh32]

I was getting nervous you weren’t gonna really praise the presentation of this game which blows other games out of the park by A LOT. The cast for me was also really something I thoroughly enjoyed Berkut and Faye included. In the end what truly stands out for me here is the writing, the art and the music; gameplay wise I will always return to something like fates did but I still enjoyed it in SoV

[@altonlipford1077]

Fates was so odd. Conquest had the best gameplay, and made the whole game worth it, but then had a terrible story. Birthright had a better story (it’s garbage, but it’s better than conquest’s flaming garbage) but downgraded gameplay until Camilla’s chapter in the sewer. Revelation tried to take both sides and ended up being really inconsistent, with some great and terrible, easy and hard maps, and the most average story to the point where I can only remember the basic parts of it. Conquest and birthright are both pretty good overall, but revelation falls short because it tried to take both sides but didn’t know how to

[@Hesketh32]

@@altonlipford1077 Couldnt disagree more. What I personally love about fates is present on the 3 routes

[@altonlipford1077]

@@Hesketh32 to each their own. I respect your opinion.

[@GeorgisTrying]

​@@altonlipford1077I'd go so far as to say they're NOT pretty good overall, they're a mess and the highlights certainly are there, but that's not enough to bring it all together at the end of the day

[@shadowmetroid18]

Grinding in echoes gets weird. The falloff in xp you get is really substantial which makes grinding relatively unproductive, but your levels also really don't give you much. When most characters will get maybe two stat ups per level, the grind does not feel great unless you're getting new classes. The difficulty is also just unusual unusual an FE game. It's more focused on a war of attrition. If your line can hold, you will eventually win. This is most obvious in some of celicas maps where you will take inch by inch tanking everything with Saber.

[@ChaolaoFueChi]

As one who decided to test that grind. I usually get like their stats maxed out, except Celica, cause she kinda got a bad rng.

[@hirotrum6810]

It was worse for me since i didnt really use the blacksmith much at all

[@tessenjutsu97]

i agree with everything save for the part that has to do with berkut. i think he also acts as a wonderful foil and stark contrast for alm, which helps add more layer to alm as a character. not to mention, his voice acting is stellar. anyway this is a beautiful video and i’m just glad to see new fe echoes content every time i see one here on youtube.

[@BHox01]

Echoes is a truly beautiful game. The presentation is really something else

[@DollarinoJones]

I really like Berkut, even as someone who had played (albeit not beaten) Gaiden beforehand. It's partly an appreciation for the aesthetics of he and Rinea's final forms, but I have a personal preference for characters that really effectively serve the themes of the story regardless of how consequential they might be to the overall outline of the plot. Though, being more honest I just have a strong affinity for characters that are Toxic Relationships Personified and it'd be ridiculous to expect everyone to share that particular quirk of taste lmao. I do expect everyone to at least appreciate the Top 10 Videogame Dub, if not Videogame Period, Voice Performance that came with the characte.r

[@jesusmenjibar8716]

I am right at the end of an Echoes playthrough, and I must say I have fallen in love with this game like never before.

[@kong8504]

Wow, this game is old enough to have a Retrospective....Times fly huh?

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

He’s doing every game so 3 houses is coming too. It’s not really based on age, just a chronological journey through the series

[@nexo42069]

This was my first fire emblem game that I played and I don't regret a thing

[@Avalenzy]

The voice acting for this game is incredible! They all fit and help set the tone of the world, and their voice delivery makes their characters so believable and fully realized despite pretty minimal dialogue

[@gamalielmartinez2238]

I love it it’s such a simple story with the fantasy aspect but I love for its simplicity

[@wima13]

My absolute favorite Fire Emblem game. Thank you for this incredible video

[@MetaDash]

Finally the next retrospective! :) For me, SoV was my first exposure to the Gaiden world and characters, as I didn't emulate the original. I think the presentation is stellar, with a beautiful artstyle and bringing the barren NES characters to a new interpretation. And since I didn't play Gaiden, a lot of things were "strange" - magic draining HP? monster dungeons? It's all an interesting ride. I think one of my favorite bits behind the development is Nakanishi (the director) playing Fire Emblem with his dad when he was younger, including Gaiden. It gives the project an emotional side that one might not gleam from Fates, what with it three versions and trying-to-succeede Awakening. Granted not all Gaiden players like SoV, but I think it partly explains why (initially) people were so receptive.

[@SupremeKaioshin]

I've just stumbled upon this channel today and have watched several of the videos in this series, your content is lovely and I can't wait to see the next installment.

[@the9thinning1]

Really like this game, best presentation in the series

[@Oblivionknight]

100% agree

[@Tuffkid42]

I loved your examination of the TurnWheel. I think that’s a very wise way of looking at how it affects gameplay.

[@skrr.6584]

Watching this makes me want to replay this game. Loved it

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

Really liked your praise towards this game and the respect you had for Gaiden while criticizing its flaws

[@Alejandroitier]

This is amazing Shane! So this is why it took a while to post. The video is actually really amazing

[@riggso]

Thank you so much for this series Shane. Although this series is long, it is one of my favourite on KZbin.

[@spara7401]

Fantastic video! Glad to see these are back. The 3H video must've been a doozy.

[@danielscott70x7]

Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia is easily my favorite in the series and quite possibly a top 10 favorite game of all time. I was absolutely blown away by the quality on every front, the story and characters, soundtrack, etc. Great retrospective! Thorough, informative, and entertaining.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

amen, this game changed my life.

[@CaptainAstronaut]

Great Video! I always enjoy watching these!!

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

For me, Echoes was an absolute blast of a first playthrough. But every time I try to replay it, the cracks really start to show. There is such a thing as being to faithful to the source material, where you keep all the stuff that desperately needed to be fixed The game however, did nail everything presentation wise. The voicework, animations, music, and more fleshed out story were all amazing.

[@marcomorgen300]

This was the 1st game I played legitimately (I've played other installments through emulation) and I was so stoked when I booted up the game. It's such a fun experience begging to end, the voice acting, soundtrack, the sometimes jank gameplay. I wish I could be as excited as I was back in then....maybe once a Fire Emblem 4 remake is announced

[@ChromeApollo]

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions but saying Ferdinand and Berkut are forgettable is wild, they are the two most interesting villains for most of the game until Rudolph is properly introduced. Conrad makes sense though cause he’s super whatever lol

[@thenintendian5251]

I first played Echoes around the same time you started this series and I absolutely fell in love with it. So I've been looking forward to this for years.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

x2

[@SpeedWaggin]

I love how I beat Fates last night, watched your video on it, decided I want to play Echoes next, and then your video came out. Definitely gotta watch after I play it.

[@PhoenixBlazer39]

Wow, I finally got around to the Fates retrospective after it had been on my watch list for so long, wondered if one had been made for Echoes, saw that it had, and then only at the end see that it was barely uploaded today. Serendipitous timing

[@unicorntomboy9736]

I wish we could retcon Fates out of the canon and pretend it didn't happen

[@nathanielandersen18]

I have greatly appreciated the introduction of the Turnwheel / Divine Pulse sort of thing. I always play Hard/Classic and refuse to allow deaths. I know a few videos ago you said doing Classic Mode resetting on deaths isn't the intent of the game, but that's how I enjoy it. And it's exactly as you say in this video, the ability to turn back turns is just saving me time instead of resetting an entire level.

[@heartfulcry]

YAAAA i’ve been waiting for this for so long holy shit

[@ricardomendez9179]

Fantastic game. With a glorious OST. One of my favorites of FE and 3DS.

[@Mr96POP]

Ever since you did a retrospective on Gaiden, I had been waiting for the day you would finally review SoV, and I knew it would be a unique video since you were playing each game in chronological order.

[@stetboy]

This game is one of my favorite in the series for one major reason... the animations, more specifically, the battle animations. They are easily the best the series had to offer (so far) with battles that actually feel like a battle. For example, when a unit dodges a attack, they immediately follow through with a counter attack.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

B A S E D

[@outermeowven]

i agree thats why when 3H came out i was so dissappointed with the combat animations being so canned and stilted compared to a damn 3ds game

[@TBoneTony]

The music that was played at the 11 to 12 minute mark. I know of that music, the Fire Emblem music CD that has rearranged music from the Fire Emblem series including the recent 3DS games that I got a few years ago sounds really beautiful during that flute solo. I think it was one of the Battle themes during Fire Emblem Echoes.

[@thesuperthingymabob8209]

As a long time fan who refuses to play on casual mode, I love mila's turn wheel. Unlike casual mode, the turn wheel doesn't invalidate your mistakes and instead asks you to find a better solution. I was going to reset anyway when someone died, the turn wheel's main function is honestly just saving me time I would've had to waste on getting back to the same point. A lot of the time in the older games, when I have to reset a level because of a death, I still do it but I get somewhat demoralised about having to start over and I end up taking a break from playing and I feel that it's a barrier to entry for a lot of people and the turn wheel is a fantastic way to fix it. If I could add the turn wheel back into other older games, I would.

[@magnusprime962]

Personally, I feel that Casual mode doesn’t invalidate your mistakes the way a do-over mechanic does. Think of it like a chess tournament. When you lose a piece, that piece is still gone for the rest of the match. But no one would expect a chess tournament to force players to not use pieces they lost when they advanced in rank. However, a do-over mechanic would allow players to constantly correct their mistakes. It drags out the match and removes the consequences for mistakes unless it’s kept tightly in check (no pun intended).

[@s.k.6100]

I also like that after you beat the game, the title screen changes to Alm's and Celica's adult models. It was just a great touch and dedication to the characters.

[@Fleru-ls8tc]

Man, I thought you stopped doing this reviews~ Glad to see new videos again!

[@cloverraven]

Hard. Classic. Using turn wheel. I still had an unavoidable situation, where I lost a unit I just recruited to enemies that roam the world map and attack first. Leaving nothing to turn back to. I just had to take that loss. Turn wheel is definitely a QOL feature I enjoy. And it still has room for consequences

[@jg452]

This game is so good. I loved every bit of it and every challenge I had beaten. It's so satisfying. I wish to re experience it again and forgot my old experience of it.

[@mesan4641]

LETSGO, I’ve been waiting for this

[@vishuprathikanti9352]

Loved the gameplay analysis sections. I think your point about strategies being the same boing part is definitely true.

[@megamanzero29]

Amazing analysis on Echoes, it was definitely worth the wait.

[@monopolyrubix1875]

This is my favorite game in the series.

[@Chelaxim]

Same here too bad it didn't sell as well as the other games. People really did the Toy Story "I don't want to play with you anymore" to the 3DS the second the switch came out.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

@@Chelaxim the sales are great, but awakening is the game who resurrected FE and Fates the "sequel" that's why sold less

[@Mekkkah]

I think you're absolutely right on the Echoes OCs. The voice acting performance might be good, especially by Berkut's VA, but their writing is not this game's strong point.

[@ElNeekoo]

I loved this game and reliving it through this vid

[@tirex3673]

One thing I want to note is, that in echoes, with rng, Milas turntable reacts a bit weird, as it actually can be used to rigg RNG in your favour, but you have do some things, for it to change. In echoes, after the using turntable, the RNG is determined from the state on the map, so the first time you turn back time, the RNG actually changes, but after that, every time it will be the same. However, if you change the order of things, or where exactly you place which units, the RNG changes again.

[@A_itsar]

Wow just when I was just watching this series, this was uploaded

[@Arkholt2]

Great work. Echoes is my favorite of the series, even though I think Gaiden is a better game in many ways. You went over the most noticeable changes from Gaiden, but there were a large amount of less noticeable mechanical changes that change the experience quite a bit. Growths were changed, stat bases were tweaked for certain characters and classes, class growths were added, spell lists were changed, Falcon knight terror effectiveness was nerfed, the RNG system from Fates was used rather than the 1RN of the original or 2RN of the other remakes... it certainly feels and looks like a faithful remake on the surface, but underneath it's a very different game. That's not a problem, of course. It mostly means that everyone should play both games. But I just think it's important to note that "faithful" does not always mean what you think.

[@siegfried7988]

Been waiting for this like Christmas

[@timotea7109]

Probably top 3 favorite fire emblem games

[@Kale13000]

I'm of the opinion that in terms of writing and voice acting Echoes absolutely takes top spot in the series

[@ItsNep]

This is genuinely one of the best entries in the series, gaiden-isms aside. Such an interesting world and fun cast of characters. It's the only fire emblem game where I was compelled to unlock every support conversation I could. Delthea and her relationship with Luthier was one of my favorites. Really hope we get a return to this artstyle in a future remake, it was so utterly tasteful and beautiful.

[@peytonibarra8992]

Besides FE7 and Awakening, this is one of the best games to give to someone new to Fire Emblem. Echoes was quite easy on normal, hard mode gave me some trouble, but no one starts playing new games on hard.

[@AegisEdge]

I started it on hard and it was an absolute breeze.

[@datalphalion]

THIS IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR.

[@kujibiki57]

Great video as always! I am definitely with you in loving Gaiden, I think it has the best final chapter in the series bar none, and I was a bit sad with how it was made in SoV, it felt way less tense and dramatic, but I would've probably liked it a lot more if I hadn't played gaiden. Also I agree with Conrad being lame but on the other hand I did really like Berkut and Rinea. I also really love how this game depicts its dragon deities, and I think it's one of the coolest lore pieces in the whole series, talking about how both Duma and Mila were degenerating and had both good and bad things happening because of their influence.

[@LegoPack99]

Been waiting for this!

[@OkMakuTree]

A quick correction, Rinea is not a commoner, she’s just from a minor noble house. The kind that would not be seen as suitable for someone like Berkut, who is in line to potentially be the next emperor.

[@chrism8216]

so excited to see this!

[@The_Pikaboi]

I guess its cause the FE11 and 12 retrospective was such a while ago, but I was nice seeing you revisit an old game on the journey. Over the time you've been working 3H opinions have gone all over the place, very interested to see how it felt on your end!

[@dannyhargreaves3340]

Shadows of Valentia has a good story, presentation, and music bogged down by some of the most frustrating mechanics and character moments I've ever seen. *stares at Celica*

[@dannyhargreaves3340]

Also, the movements of the characters in cutscenes seem like puppets as all heck instead of them being humans. Can't control the world through subtly, Duma and Mila.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

Celica is GREAT, and if you cry about difficult just play pepa pig the videogame

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

@@dannyhargreaves3340 lies.

[@AegisEdge]

@@sorryyourenotawinner2506 brother can NOT see that he has a different opinion

[@FrenchSilkPie611]

I know I'm late but I've got some free time to finally watch this video. Can't wait for three houses

[@TuskyBaby]

Rinea and Conrad really don't do much for me or the story, but Berkut and Fernand made that first battle in Rigelian territory 1 of the most hype moments in any FE game I've played.

[@fationmuhollari9355]

The most beautiful Fire Emblem if not anything else. While having gameplay issues, it's the only 3DS game I come back to.

[@Yarzu555]

Oh man this game... While I haven't played 2 or 3, SoV was the only one where I took breaks from and finally had to force myself to beat. Probably a combination of different things but this game just didn't click for me in any of the areas from story/characters to especially the gameplay.

[@PlushSine7]

Berkut is my favourite villain in a Fire Emblem game

[@chatyxd6078]

I'm not a hard core fire emblem fan, I've played everything since awakening but I've played them all casually. The characters and story are usually my favorite part of these games while the combat, which I thoroughly enjoy, is something I blow my way through. Awakening is the one I started with but I'm pretty sure echoes is my favorite Fe game out of them all. I love the smaller cast, getting to use every unit and get to know them means there isn't a single a character I don't at least tolerate, if not outright enjoy. The combat is also awesome, the low arsenal of weaponry forces you to actually think about who gets what, and while weapon arts weren't something I found revolutionary I liked their inclusion. The magic however is my favorite change ever, losing hp gives spellcasting a fun risk I really adore, I also like that magic feels like magic. Mages don't play like every other unit, they have spells that can debuff, have unique mechanics, and conjure summons.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

awakening gameplay is slow af

[@OkMakuTree]

Nice work Shane! I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on SoV, especially considering your play order for the franchise. Keep up the great work on this retrospective series! Personally I recognize SoV as being a quality entry in the series, but it’s not a title I find myself returning to much due to the gameplay. Most of the maps are either mediocre or tedious and the dungeon crawling lacks the mechanical depth to stay fresh throughout an entire play through. That being said I appreciate the story which is pretty solid by Fire Emblem standards, and the presentation and voice acting are both top notch. I personally never understood the hubbub about Mila’s turnwheel, to me it was always just a convenient way to save time or test things for experienced players and a QoL improvement for newbies who are still learning the ropes. The only element of SoV I dislike are the cutscenes since I find the animation to be a step down from both Awakening and Fates. Berkut is also massively overrated, but he serves his role fine as a thematic contrast to Alm and as a filler villain. But all things considered while SoV isn’t my cup of tea I can absolutely understand why it’s so beloved among the community, and I think it was a great way to round out the 3DS era of the franchise.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

tbh, the only times ive revisted it are the two attempts to max the stats of every single character in the game via the star orb. its amusing, but horrifically tedious (at least FE8 let you BUY stat boosters, getting them in SoV's postgame is a nightmare, so I mostly just grind levels with the orb). its fun for a single playthrough, but not very replayable in its base state. Ive played a hacked version where I could reclass any character into any class, and that was kinda fun for a few hours, but all in all, its pretty stale after the first playthrough.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

Gameplay is perfect bro. The combat is GREAT. And Berkut is GOD.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

@@avaliantsoul5408 Nah

[@Xertaron.]

SoV being a faithful remake sounds nice, but then you have to consider that Gaiden was released in 1992 so in gaming terms it's ancient. And while it makes some improvements here and there, it still has many of those dumb moments from Gaiden which weren't as apparent there. Like Samson and Aran in FE1 being mutually exclusive for a really stupid reason and Shadow Dragon didn't changed it in any way, likewise the choice between Deen and Sonya is just a arbitrary in Echoes as it was in Gaiden. Rudolf's plot in Gaiden basically ammounted to "I'll send my soldiers to die in order for Alm and his friends to gain exp" and it's even more ridiculous in Echoes with it's much improved presentation. They give more backstory to this whole idea, but a dumb plan is still a dumb plan no matter how much you elaborate on it. Lack of gameplay changes is especially noticeable when you look at what's new - Berkut and Fernand are propably my favourite villains in the whole FE series and it's a crying shame they cut them as playable characters. My theory was that Rinea didn't exist yet and when she was created and the story was altered and they were cut... exept they have full library of unused voice lines, indicating that the idea wasn't set for a long time, which creates problems in the story. The point where these 2 were to join was likely start of act 4 after defeating them at the border. I know this, because there's a cutout that's noticeable and scene completely changes direction all of a sudden - the justification for Berkut shattering the mirror which facilitated his escape and descent into madness was Alm suddenly threatening to execute him, which he never did before and never does after this scene and it really sticks out. It's like they couldn't decide if they want to keep the game completely intact or make sweeping changes. It had the potential to be incredible, but unfortunately it wasn't realized. And it's a shame, because every aspect of audiovisual presentation in SoV is near perfect.

[@stwbrchips]

Man, I really really love the character designs in this game . Still hoping for a Switch port.

[@Chronoflation]

This is my first time finding this channel and I was like "wow, this guy sounds like the guy from Warriors Dojo. I wonder if it's the same guy" then I went to your channel and saw you're the same guy and was like "haha! I knew it!" Glad to find more content from you! I hope this means we can expect some Fire Emblem Warriors game content on that channel to follow this all up! How fun 😁

[@usvidragonslayer3091]

Very nice video. I love this game so much. Alm & Celica are my favorite main characters and Berkut is my favorite villain. I a little upset that you think Berkut is a forgettable character but i, and many other Berkut fans, dont think so. In fact the one character in this game that i KNOW is the true forgettable character is Jedah.

[@cd4playa1245]

I’ve tried beating this one on 3 separate occasions but each time I just find myself getting so bored. I’m such a fan of all of the others I’ve played, and I really wanted to like this one, but I simply wasn’t enjoying the experience.

[@Posby95]

The turnwheel does change RNG. You might be thinking of Divine Pulse from Three Houses, where it doesn't.

[@gavvy8434]

In my opinion, this is the most underrated fr game. It’s so damn good and I love it.

[@isaacazmee9930]

What a journey we finally reached the latest game!!

[@seanmaddex4104]

I really appreciated the addition of the wheel of time into 3 houses it was nice as a quality of life feature if you accidentally miss clicked or were trying to understand what was going on with the black knight initially. Also I felt like the combat arts and battalions were balanced and it didn't feel like they were as broken as you described hunters volley. I really would love to see a geneology remake on switch if they arent prepared with a full game at the level of 3 houses. Id rather wait for their best work.

[@Space_Lion]

Some of the voice acting in this game was staggeringly good, in particular I think berkut and mae's english VAs killed it

[@nicholashandfield-jones1837]

My favourite Fire Emblem game 🥲

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

I'm surprised by the lack of mention of the post-game.

[@pandymandy]

As ever, with nearly every video game review, I am disappointed by the lack of input on the audio of the game. I am thankful that this spends time praising the good qualities of Echoes because there are a lot, and I might be on a different side of the fence when it comes to the community because I've only ever heard people hate on the game (and yes because of the maps, mostly, as covered). But I think the most important thing in Echoes is its soundtrack - it is far and away the best thing about the game. It is also, by contest from only Genealogy, the best soundtrack of the series and I would be willing to say contends with similarly great masterpieces of gaming history. It is tonally intricate and diverse, it has set roots and innovations whilst making it feel both like a commodity of the world and an exploration of a remake. It tackles the soundtrack in both a Fire Emblem format but also in its own personalised identity. The opening theme Echoes and the title sequence are absolutely gut-wrenching and soul-destroyingly perfect representations of the narrative depth while providing a perspective spin on the rest of the game. The fact the title sequence is a reminder to where the journey began with Celica and Alm running in a field of flowers and a track that sounds almost like anemoia embodied is a testimony to the emotional ethos of the game. The town themes are jaunty and memorable and creative and illicit a similar sense of wonder to a lot of Awakenings Barracks/Support themes but without overpowering the set-pieces nor overstaying their welcome. The combat themes are iconic, preserved and elevated to exceptional heights with not only the original creativity of melody Gaiden entailed but the strengths and variety that the sound design team carries as a whole. Even the map theme, which I will admit teeters a light bit on the side of becoming repetitive in the late game, does a very sound job of setting the tone of Valentia as well as preserving the narrative tension between fights and progress. And without question - as seems to be the opinion of nearly every FE fan I've seen put to opinion on it - Twilight of the Gods and Heritors of Arcadia are two epoch pieces of audio when it comes to gaming music in general. As someone who spent more than 600 hours on Awakening and over 200 on Fates - I only spent less than 100 on Echoes because it was short and self-contained, yet it is the game I most fondly remember and consider the easiest to recall the emotional density and value of. This is because the soundtrack is the ship by which all boarding passengers - narrative, design and direction - all sail upon. And Echoes does so in making its way to the destination of incredible storytelling thanks to this OST better than nearly all other games I've played in my lifetime, sparing only a few.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

the best thing about the game are the chracters and the gameplay the combat animations are the best in FE, even better than 3h

[@TheAurgelmir]

If you ask me the Turn Wheel isn't moot in Classic mode. Because that's where you are more likely to use it. In Three Houses and Engage it has limited uses, although in Engage it's not so limited that I ever ran out. In Three Houses though, in the early chapters when you have very few charges, I did eventually run out. To me it's more of a soft reset system. So you don't end up save scumming a lot, or being overly cautious. It's honestly a very nice system for a game like this. (Especially since these games Love their random reinforcements, which can royally screw you over.

[@tubagal13]

I only played SoV, and not the original Gaiden, but I really like the new characters, apart from Conrad. While he's a Good Boy, I once read a fanfic where Saber was actually Celica's long-lost brother, and I tend to adopt that as my canon instead. (He recognized her bc of the golden dagger she gave him at the start, and she didn't recognize him for a long time bc he lost an eye in the villa fire and had been living rough for years before they were reunited.) Also, I've played this game twice and somehow never knew Hunter's Volley was in SoV?? Time to play a third time 👀

[@Wildstag]

I just want to correct/clarify a statement you make at 34:30, but the Turnwheel does actually affect enemy decision-making, in one really weird way. For some reason, Witch's can teleport before a Turnwheel-use, but after a Turnwheel, they don't teleport but run at the player-units instead. Not much is known about how and why Witch's do teleport, but this is one trick that is affected by the Turnwheel.

[@cat6833]

My take with faithfulness in the fire emblem series. My understanding on how the fire emblem developers design Philosophy when making remakes, is that they focus into adding more into the original, while keeping the original feel intact, rather than replacing. What does the three remakes have in common? They add more mechanics into the game, for example: Shadow dragon has added the weapon triangle, New Mystery has supports and Echoes has added combat arts, etc. All three remakes has given us new characters and build more into existing features, such has Echoes expanded dungeons, where you are given more freedom on where you what to move and when you what to initiate battles and with the story by giving characters more depth. I like this design philosophy with the remakes, I don’t think they are extremely faithful, 1 to 1 remakes or they are not a complete reboot. In my personal opinion this is a great way to do remakes, not too different for new players while it is not too similar for older players.

[@thecursed_1lordofcats738]

The only issue I have with the philosophy is the idea that if something is broken/unfun in the original, why not try to fix/improve the points of weakness? Case in point, the horrible map design in the later parts, such as the map with Gazelle on Alm's route and most of Celica's act 4 swamps. The maps are too large and too empty, and as MarkyJoe once said, cut the map size by 3.

[@DioNoGo]

In gaiden alm ends in a trap at the volcano. He can't escape to the continuous attack of necrodragos and that's why makes sense Celica's decision. In echoes, alm is not trapped. You may choose to return to a safety place and that's why Celica seems dumb to choose what she chose.

[@adrianroque6990]

Great work, although I’m kind of surprised you found this game to be one of the less challenging games in the series. In my experience, it’s one of the harder ones. Not THE hardest (my first play through of Radiant Dawn was a nightmare) but definitely a step up from most. IMO, from the GBA era onward, the games can be relatively brute forced through without much stopping you, but Echoes really throws you a wrench with teleporting witches, AoE attacks, and basically every map with a Duma Faithful acting as the boss. This may be because I haven’t played the original but I’ve always heard from the community that Echoes is one of the harder entries in the series.

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

Just.. Play.. Thracia.. PD: The witches aren't problem,. the aoe attacks? meh is just a little bit difficult, but FE is STRATEGY, if you want easy mode just play other game

[@adrianroque6990]

@@sorryyourenotawinner2506 I am…really confused by your comment lol. Did I imply that I wasn’t a Fire Emblem fan who enjoyed the games? Are you upset that on a personal level I find Echoes more difficult than other titles? Or are you mad that I said that most casual players can blaze through most entries with only a little effort (cuz they can). Like, I know Thracia is the hardest, but does that mean I’m not allowed struggle with another game too?

[@sorryyourenotawinner2506]

​@@adrianroque6990Nah, echoes is hard in some parts but that's the same with.. any strategy games?

[@adrianroque6990]

@@sorryyourenotawinner2506 yes but what I’m specifically pointing out is that to me, it’s harder than most other entries. Yes the series is labeled “strategy” but that doesn’t always translate to difficulty. Yes there’s some hard as hell games like Thracia but there’s also brain dead simple games like Sacred Stones or Three Houses. And for me, a majority of the Fire Emblem series falls somewhere in the middle, while leaning towards the simpler side. I mean, even the first game in the series isn’t really difficult IMO. That’s why I say I’m surprised that he found Echoes easier than others because I’ve had the opposite reaction. To me, Echoes is a harder Fire Emblem game than most. That’s why I say that, in my experience, a casual player can brute force their way through most games in the series without much knowledge on the strategy genre. Echoes, IMO, isn’t one of those games.

[@toma.7065]

Damn, thank you so much for your retrospective. I have been binge-watching all videos in your series over the last few days and I really enjoyed them (especially the ones about the older games before Awakening, which I never actually played). Shame that your viewcount is - relatively speaking - so low considering how much effort you clearly put in.

[@WhenyoBrainGoesNumb]

Incorrect plot summary, I just carefully steered all of my units around Jedah's range because I didn't know how to kill him, and then sent Alm and Celica to kill Duma lmao