Game Theory: Exposing Destiny's LOST PLOT!

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You think you know the story of Destiny, but do you really? Who IS the Traveler? What are you even really fighting for? This episode will shake even the most hardcore Destiny's fans' understanding of the game they're playing. Who's side are you on, anyway?
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[@GameTheory]

Make like a tree and leaf...A LIKE! Long live the Brotherhood ;)

[@SakuraStallion]

+The Game Theorists That was such a bad pun... I love it.

[@thaip.120]

+The Game Theorists THANK YOU FOR FINALLY DOING THIS ONE! :) :)))))

[@reecepokorny9323]

+The Game Theorists HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@nhorvath6259]

+The Game Theorists Oh no, he's one of them too.

[@mrfahrenheit8417]

MatPat I love you and all (much homo) but get out. NOW.

[@alyxlynch1981]

ah, the good ol, days. *joins fireteam "you got gjallarhorn?" "no.." *kicked

[@jasperzz2859]

Same thing but now izanagis burden

[@30na89]

@Łyonel Kahee-ros i want that result screen back in d2..

[@erenarmin6403]

OMNIGAL

[@alyxlynch1981]

@Thatoneguy still can't believe they brought it back

[@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989]

@Thatoneguy Actually Ghally isn't a requirement as it was back then due to it's perk allowing other rocket launchers to have Ghally rounds. What I see more often demanded are Wellocks.

[@izdone]

You’re wrong, we don’t just fight mindlessly, we fight for *L O O T*

[@vanzwho854]

I have been grinding for months now... Why do I even need this spare reashions god roll? I've lost track of time, I've lost all my emotions, and I've lost my mind. I don't even like playing gambit but I have to keep going even if the darkness takes over me completely. -litteraly every guardian

[@gandorias8641]

Playing nightfall just to get the same exotic every time Me: am I a joke to you

[@zanereeves6482]

FOE THE LOOT

[@tubbysza]

We get the loot to keep killing. An endless cycle of killing.

[@kriegenjoyer6913]

Lol

[@llredfive7247]

Watching this after the game awards light fall trailer I’m kinda scared how close he is

[@anomaly3623]

We need him to do more destiny theories

[@Alak-Hul_Darkblade]

@@anomaly3623got some bad news

[@EBjeebies1081]

“I only said I spoke for the Traveler... I never said it spoke to me.” - The Speaker (2014-2017)

[@knalb_]

He was a baby he never deserved to die so quickly He’s 3 years old

[@vanzwho854]

F

[@creativenamegoeshere2562]

I never got attached.

[@dav_dmn]

damn, the red legion (cabal) did em guud

[@chaosincarnate7304]

@Liam Lavelle Maybe he was supposed to live for 1 year? Who knows.

[@Apidooom]

I think Activision is the real villain...

[@pokemonkiller3570]

+Apidooom true

[@lukejohnson6415]

+Apidooom yes. play warframe better than destiny in every way

[@MyBullet01]

+Apidooom lol far from it bungie CEO is a scumbag who sold out his company

[@knarwhals]

lol

[@Odysseusx86]

+Fernando Ferreyra A scumbag working for a scumbag company, should be a nice fit

[@BigAustin]

Mat Pat: There isn't enough story. Me playing Destiny 2 Shadowkeep: Say sike right now.

[@mirandabrown8271]

For a guy who likes deep lore he really doesn’t like destiny’s set up.

[@DedlyAidan]

ah i see a fellow 2019 steam player

[@Sevastous]

Shadowkeep felt a bit dissappointing.Forsaken already did it

[@DedlyAidan]

@@Sevastous forsaken was depressing Cayde-6 DIED HES THE BEST CHARACTER

[@tyletcher8978]

When you here the Darkness is your salvation👀

[@aidenlamarche1221]

It’s scary how close he is to being right now that the darkness gave us stasis

[@ryozo_]

according to the nine and the drifter the difference doesnt matter

[@Phoenix-qu4wg]

13:57 it says a group led by Crow. Crow is a character in D2 now, I think mat pat might b right-

[@Silphianable]

@@Phoenix-qu4wg after d1 came out a playtester leaked details of destiny 1 before it was revamped mid development. originally you'd encounter the crow early on and hed lead you to rasputin, in exo form as originally you'd see this exo and it would be revealed that under rasputins core (look up hidden room under rasputin for visual reference) was a machine that would allow rasputin to take a physical form, and the missions would lead you through the story and it would be revealed that not only the speaker was evil but so was the traveller

[@tangent.arc38618]

eramis could have been right

[@axtchaos8719]

@@ryozo_ "I said I spoke for the traveler, i never said it spoke for me" That red war campaign line hits different now.

[@PeytonSmith2006]

Who is also here when beyond light is out

[@julianarias2481]

Destiny will never die😈

[@creativenamegoeshere2562]

I have no time to explain why she had no time to explain!

[@ShaesKyu]

can’t believe i’m back. it feels so nostalgic

[@rancidpotatos8226]

Un-killable, matpat needs to make new theories about destiny 2

[@jessicamassa9377]

@@rancidpotatos8226 if he does it'll be a bungo sponsored one off

[@cedricholcomb4187]

Destiny 2 is out, cayde is dead, and more destiny theories must be made.

[@cedricholcomb4187]

As a Christmas surprise, you should do more theories on Destiny.

[@bryanpseno4203]

Cedric Holcomb I hope that happens

[@ampedgrognak9717]

He absolutely butchered this story

[@tellmeninetails5819]

Eh I'd rather hear about warframe.

[@frezu9382]

Yes

[@rivihk7304]

Go 5 years into future where you actually CAN wield darkness.

[@Royal-fl2oe]

How in the actual heck did he get this close based on like four lore entries? Incredibly impressive

[@eranronen573]

He's so so wrong

[@Royal-fl2oe]

@@eranronen573 well yeah ofc he’s wrong he’s making predictions from literal years in the past. Just saying the predictions he made were surprisingly close compared to the info he was given

[@eranronen573]

@Royal-fl2oe not even about the predictions, he got some of the timeline wrong and misinterpreted some of the lore he read

[@Royal-fl2oe]

@@eranronen573 👍

[@khora3845]

I mean, he misinterpreted the Card about the Exos' dream of the Deep Stone Crypt to represent all Guardians

[@jackmoseby5922]

i now see the traveler as the moon from majora's mask...

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

+jack moseby *plays dramatic music* *Gasp*

[@258thHiGuy]

Implying that it wasn't exactly what it was the entire time

[@Baclex]

This.

[@newrecru1t]

+Cameron Perez Its called the *DRAMATIC STING EFFECT*

[@_GLXC]

+jack moseby same here XDDD

[@ConnorChameleonShow]

So technically, the Traveller is the Death Star but with a white coating so no one suspects Darth Vader

[@connorcalder8191]

+ConnorChameleonShow exactly Destiny 2 - The Return of A New Hope (The Empire awakens) confirmed.

[@wiktorwyka666]

best theory so far on this comments section xxD

[@ConnorChameleonShow]

Wiktor Wyka thanks xD but its quite obvious sooo

[@ConnorChameleonShow]

Connor Calder yeeeesssss xD

[@soldierorsomething]

White coating..like in a cake....and the cake is a lie!, omg

[@beans9732]

Matpat: *Destiny Rant* Me: Wot?? “Checks release date* “Oh...”

[@aviaviavian]

Honestly saem

[@Lexy34234]

@@aviaviavian *same*

[@thelatenightgamer2624]

lol anyone ranting now is just moaning unless they want more lore

[@director00donut39]

Not like he’s wrong, MATPAT hit it square on

[@jasperzz2859]

Wait... he didn’t talk about the hive and the deep, which is the darkness...

[@mee4644]

And we now know, with Shadowkeep, that the "Ghost Flower" was indeed manipulation. And that the reason the wound never healed, well, it's the Black Garden.

[@fallen5983]

i havent played shadowkeep yet because im broke but does it directly mention the ghost flower or is it something like a side mission you have to go out of the way to find or what

[@mee4644]

@@fallen5983 It's more of a relation than it out right saying anything. At the end of Shadow keep, #warning# spoils may be ahead, the darkness tries to persuade you to its side through planting doubt in your mind (in da black garden). I simply see that as a similarity to the ghost flower persuading the other guardian whilst they were in the black garden. Just an assumption. If you want to know what happens in the end, though, I'd recommend playing or watching the final mission. Kinda bonkers.

[@isaacdaffer1711]

The same thing is happening with the Season of Arrivals.

[@gabrielking7855]

@@mee4644 youu

[@mee4644]

@@temenochi6443 If you're going to light up a year old comment I had, at least use proper grammar. And I don't want to turn this into an argument over how to interpret what it said. It'll change from person to person.

[@mpcollins1993]

The Guardians don't just kill. They also dance.

[@ryanmcdonald9022]

and t-bag

[@rojoskies81]

hobo joe that's a primary directive given to every guardian to do by the speaker, praise be to yevon.

[@ricerice8940]

And they evade annoyingly when they're a Nightstalker. OY.

[@raxos787]

guardians 'guard' the traveler pun intended

[@pelicanpeppers]

Destiny 2 and we've killed multiple gods, learned the exos are actually of Vex origin, wield the so called Darkness as ice powers, and have now stepped into another war with the Cabal. Did I mention the Darkness wiped out a portion of the solar system again? Time for more theories MatPat

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

Now more since Levi is back and it seems like the traveler doesn’t like us.

[@matthewholloway8703]

@@jibanyanawesome8577 Oh its even worse now, it tried to leave and was just stuck with nowhere to go

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

@@matthewholloway8703 After Rasputin had to end himself for us.

[@matthewholloway8703]

@@jibanyanawesome8577 May he rest in pixels

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

@@matthewholloway8703 We salute that awesome robot

[@BigSpazzard]

Watching this video a week after beyond light came out and Guardians can literally wield darkness, went on a murder rampage after their friend was killed and have started talking to the darkness itself is so weird how Matpat was genuinely onto something 5 YEARS AGO... We need more theories from Matpat on destiny

[@lowki5195]

I can agree he was on something, but it has it's flaws such as the Pujari qoute actually being about Deep stone crypt and how exos were made as war machines.

[@BigSpazzard]

@@lowki5195 oh yeah definitely not 100% accurate, but it was shocking how on the right tracks he was

[@BurnUp_]

“ I speak for the traveler, but I never said it spoke to me.” -The Speaker Plus, according to Crota’s End it shows that the darkness seeks to destroy literally everything. And the fallen fighting Vex, Cabal, Taken, and Scorn shows that they just want to earn as much are as they can. The traveler was showed to have developed a sense of protectiveness to humans during D2’s campaign stopping Ghaul from destroying the Guardians. The light is much like a side of a war. Not the overall enemy, so it may have its faults but it developed a protectiveness for all life on its side, including The Spider and his army

[@narrator8534]

He made this 4 years ago he can't tell the future

[@brysonkuervers2570]

Then again it could be for more selfish motives. There was a lore entry in D1 from Rasputin’s POV. He detected the Traveler was going to leave the system as the Darkness arrived so he fired every weapon he could to disable it and force it to protect humanity, which it ended up doing because if it didn’t, it would’ve been wiped out too. I feel it partly wanted to protect us to further its motives. Ghaul had absorbed most of the Travelers Light, by destroying him it got it back which it the gave to us, it’s warriors. It is nice to see that the Traveler hasn’t moved since it awoke but could it be staying because it wants to, or because it has to? Only time will tell

[@papercamera2989]

Bryson Kuervers it was a plan and we never saw if that happened or not

[@kaimattermanipulation8585]

he needs to update this theory.

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

The fact this was made before seraph… and by extension Lightfall…

[@parkermaisterra8532]

Fun fact: The Warmind (basically a super AI made for war) Rasputin was one of the first beings to discover about the coming darkness so it made plans to cripple the Traveler in case it would leave and so would force it to protect humanity if it didn't want to get killed.

[@funkysportsbag]

source?

[@pechytoloco]

which grimoire card?

[@defiantabyss9882]

Alexander Profit he ran a bunch of simulations and he found out about the travelers departure, after all he gave all exos consciousness and he's basically a quantum computer. also, he gave Siva an order because he thought of the iron lords as enemies who were after SIVA (since they are the travelers chosen and have light. or he could've known Felwinter was a previous warlord and thought he was an enemy.). but as we know he lost control and went into a sleep mode until we woke him up again.

[@ianlogrono7709]

parker maisterra u

[@gundyninor2450]

parker maisterra wow

[@Admired]

I just learned more in 15 minutes than I did playing Destiny all year.

[@brycemckechnie4928]

this

[@FrenchToast02]

+Demon Catursday serious?

[@deadlightdrifter3462]

same

[@stormcommander6387]

+Admired Sad but true D:

[@blueprotoss18]

+Admired Could say that about any game especially Borderlands, Fallout, and the Elder Scrolls.

[@creativenamegoeshere2562]

Who else wishes matpat would make a new destiny 2 theory? Maybe one about stasis?

[@williamklemp3764]

Between stasis and the new strand abilities I'm basically Begging MatPat for a new D2 theory lol

[@Thaydel2]

That epic gamer moment when the traveler wakes up

[@Coolest-Daniel]

Hey you your finally awake

[@iamshmity1808]

I know

[@vuvuzela4570]

Ah.. the red war.. brings me back

[@SizemoreTV]

That epic gamer moment when the traveler heals itself

[@nyancat7511]

That epic gamer moment when the Darkness is actually just a group of black doritos

[@coryandrews9235]

Light is evil? What is this, DeathNote?

[@jericho7173]

no its star wars

[@jesseclark7105]

I was waiting for this comment to appear because I thought the exact same thing.

[@jimmydean2157]

No, this is sparta

[@irukaio]

Good...good.

[@TheEpicgamestime]

No, this is Patrick.

[@RockR277]

Sounds interesting. It would be cool if the story takes this route, maybe have your character be part of a rebellion and have them fighting against other guardians.

[@finikksu]

+twittburning I heard there is like 3 more destiny games in the plans, one every year. The best I think would be in the last game (or the one before) to make players choose sides, choose to protect the traveler or attack it, and that would make a whole pvp war

[@MrDanachu]

+twittburning Kinda like how the Halo franchise is evolving. Master Chief being hunted down by other Spartans. It is Bungie after all.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

+twittburning That's what the Crucible is for. It was made so that way Guardians loyal to the Traveler would know how to fight against deserters.

[@yeetilinguini6733]

+Theodore Hodbor I thought it was for training supers to be more powerful like rift was for voidwalkers to have a bigger nova bomb

[@yeetilinguini6733]

+Theodore Hodbor I thought it was for training supers to be more powerful like rift was for voidwalkers to have a bigger nova bomb blast

[@LowIntSpecimen]

"The line between Light and Dark grows ever thin. Do you know which side you're on?" Uldren Sov from one of the last cutscenes from Forsaken. Edit: Rewatching this theory, i'm prety sure the ghost fragment "Legend" is about Exo dreams, not specifically guardians.

[@mirandabrown8271]

bruh bruh realistically mat is completely right. I mean... look at the lore from ‘graviton forfeit’

[@Friedhumperdink]

My fav part of the gardeners lore is at the end where the darkness itself says “do not rush to tell me, I will come hear your answer myself” (or around that) It gives me mad goosebumps

[@t-hamos9498]

Yeah he said that

[@Hestaka]

"The line between light and dark is so very thin, do you know what side your on?" there fixed it

[@basix4089]

Nobody: The ruinous effigy: I’m’ boutta end this mans whole career

[@Joker-77763]

Coming back to this now...I don't know how to feel. He gets so much wrong, yet almost all of his predictions are right.

[@problem13150]

Witch queen do be hittin diffrent thou

[@vogavation]

Lightfall be hitting way different now

[@jibanyanawesome8577]

Exactly this. This was some out of pocket crackpot theory that became true.

[@matthewvanderwater218]

At 10:25 you lore out of context the deep stone crypt is something only exos feel and only exo people like banshee also dream of the deep stone crypt

[@662mann8]

matthew vanderwater yes

[@jacobwong7486]

@@662mann8 commenting, "Yes" adds nothing to the conversation.

[@tettettettettet]

I found it funny he mentioned resets, this theory is pretty bad, he is also ignoring that the fallen want the traveler not to destroy it

[@mrtegs]

@@jacobwong7486 yes

[@jacobwong7486]

Mr Tegs nein.

[@willowhernandez7612]

The thing about the Traveler making us a proxy army is the most likely. The Fallen have an event called the Whirlwind which was pretty much the Collapse for them, and they also had the Traveler, which they called the Great Machine. Oryx came to the Fallen's home planet and tried to kill them and the Traveler, and when they seemed to be about to lose, the Great Machine fled. That's what led the Fallen and Hive to attack us, as the Traveler came to humanity next, hoping to create an army strong enough to defeat the Darkness. Boom.

[@mr.stabby5294]

Taken Darkness is different than Darkness that lead to the Collapse. Plus, with Siva added into the mix, the Great Machine could have been many things; after all, they worshiped Sepiks Prime, the big dumb servitor. What if they just had a bigger, little less dumb servitor.

[@ceph_and_seethe]

Mr. Stabby The Traveler could be a bigger, less dumb Sepiks Prime.

[@mr.stabby5294]

That is brilliant!! (no sarcasim intended) that is literally the best thing I've heard. I can completely see that.

[@user-mg5re4yq2h]

5:38, absolutely! There was whole lot of them! In Destiny 2 we call them "Shatterdive Hunters"

[@jordanziegler8376]

*nearly 7 years later after seeing the traveler try to piece out on us for Savathun* Me: huh, this guy was on to something.

[@vertex1933]

You really need to do something like this for COD zombies. So far there have only been theories pieced together from the little info they give us, but I would LOVE to see what you come up with!

[@cooleo812is]

Yeah I would love to see a theory on that especially considering how deep those plots are

[@Player1Joined]

+Mike Romo Spoiler...The Nazis are aliens

[@mariosonic8324]

YESSSS

[@walachiablu3300]

+Mike Romo You are not thinking right

[@DragonDDark]

agreed

[@ZobmieRules]

Seeing that thing floating up there just makes me think of The Moon from Majora's Mask.

[@SolarFantom2314]

I thought I was the only one lol

[@chrisa.9032]

dam it now I won't be able to unthink that.

[@shinoki407]

damn weebo

[@deeevs4542]

+shinoki407 weebo ? a " weeaboo " is for the content of anime m8 :/

[@SomethingScotty]

+Asriel Dreemurr A weeaboo is anyone not native to Japan, typically Americans in this case, who are so engrossed with Japanese culture that they forsake their current lifestyle. They eat only Japanese-style foods, try to use Japanese in every day conversations(and fail miserably at it), watch nothing but Japanese shows(anime, drama, etc.,), eat all of their meals on the floor, only sleeps on bedrolls, so on and so forth. So basically they are posers trying to be something they are not.

[@deadly_john2644]

I'm appalled that he got this close to breaking down the story of destiny. I wish he still did videos on this game.

[@savagetomxr16x43]

Bro the final shape is in less the five months. This is scary close. This is what we do know. The darkness is a byproduct of the veil that’s connected to the traveler and now the witness a being of darkness is using his power inside the traveler to rewrite reality. And we still don’t know why the traveler gave us a golden age

[@Yoshi-uv2vd]

Guess u could say I see it in a whole new "light"

[@karamel_kara]

Yoshi 808 wow

[@jackcooper7685]

Yoshi 808 hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@manthawiphak965]

Yoshi 808 AHAHAHA that was a real funny...

[@jackcooper7685]

Yoshi 808 hahahahahahah

[@thedutchman6866]

nice

[@michaelmangraviti6772]

Don't you find it interesting no one has gone inside the traveler, or, at least scanned it?

[@SuperJoshgames]

The Legendary Traveler mask says "I've been inside the traveller you know, Smells faintly of Vanilla"

[@SuperJoshgames]

The Legendary Traveler mask says "I've been inside the traveller you know, Smells faintly of Vanilla"

[@panobato5984]

Yes we have, as a mask...

[@nickylitle]

+Michael Mangraviti they didn't know what it was. They didn't want to take any risks. If it ain't broke don't fix it

[@systamatica]

+Michael Mangraviti how can go "in it?"

[@th3grav3mak3rgaming8]

I would love for him to do a destiny lore at the current point of d2. Some of this has already been confirmed, like the fallen having the light at some point. Also there’s a lot of other lore points that would affect his theories.

[@Joker-77763]

Him doing a theory on Destiny now would give him so much of a headache with all the lore he would have to dig through. He would have to have someone who knows the lore like Byf to help him. Actually, that would be a very entertaining video for them to do.

[@shreknskrubgaming7248]

@@Joker-77763 agreed, him and Byf should team up for it.

[@Supernovaisayoutuber]

Me about to head into beyond light: “He’s wrong, again, now you owe me $5”

[@FTL_Rhelik]

I think matpat is pretty good but personally just watch 'My Name Is Byf' for destiny lore

[@yushakader4991]

After I played forsaken I watched My name is Byf and it made a lot more sense

[@seanathaalexand]

Both of the previous Lore Masters are good. Byf is my favorite, though.

[@josevillanueva9943]

Same

[@valkyrieace5768]

Yes

[@wharrison654]

Myelin and Byf are the best

[@avinashsingh1642]

Can we have a mathematical/physics theory next time, Mat? It's been a while...

[@avinashsingh1642]

+N1ckel exactly! Hope MatPat sees this post and replys to it.

[@avinashsingh1642]

+N1ckel maybe...

[@bipensheep4774]

+Avinash Singh i hope so

[@GameTheory]

+Avinash Singh Don't worry! I have a few of those in the works :)

[@brycemckechnie4928]

+The Game Theorists yay

[@Mittens_McG]

So many of the comments are "You're wrong because of (insert story here)" This video is over 4 years old. Most of you are taking about stuff that came after this video was made. Chill. No need to take it so seriously. He did call it a crackpot theory, after all.

[@texasbeaver8188]

But HEY! That's just a theory ... a GAME THEORY!

[@rimworld64]

@@texasbeaver8188 *why!?!?!??*

[@mamadied5722]

@@rimworld64 what

[@rimworld64]

@@mamadied5722 *enboldened speaking*

[@ArvindRajAgnosticAtheist]

I mean. It is wrong. So.

[@ordoarc4739]

The card about killing everyone you knew from one reset or another was specifically about Exos and how their memory is wiped periodically, not about guardians in general.

[@davidking6242]

I didn't know Destiny even had a plot...

[@anedcav]

+kwadwo baidoo *Drops Mic*

[@mojoforthewin3069]

+kwadwo baidoo WOAAAAAH!

[@Gillymonster18]

+kwadwo baidoo How would you know? You don't remember how you even got there. All you know to do is fight. You don't know to look for a plot.

[@wotizlove]

+Dylan Holder upvote this comment, i wanna see game theory do it :D

[@Zeruckiven]

+kwadwo baidoo Of course it has a plot. Almost every game does: You goodie. They baddie. Kill plz. ty. Best plot evar. Let's keep repeating this since nobody seems to realize what we're doing. Just in this case it mgiht be...BACKWARDS Dun dun dun!

[@luzikarbuzik1023]

10:23 was actually about exos, not the guardians. Clovis (creator of exos, the sentient playable robots) wasn't a huge fan of human rights.

[@rudrapandya1653]

I know no one is probably gonna see but when he said that “we killed everyone” he was talking about exos they had to do this. Also exos are made by humans not the traveler

[@LUISMARTINEZ-kx2zg]

Yes but controlled by clovis bray

[@legendofacriuswithornament2019]

Clovis used the Darkness to make exos

[@ThxRealUnknown]

The thing is that the Traveler is a completely neutral "Machine"... It just wants to survive the Darkness, that is hunting it. The Traveler fled the Fallen, because the Hive were assaulting them. The Fallen had to leave their solar system and found out, that their Great Machine is now in Sol. The Cabal only want to capture the Traveler and destroy the human race, because for the sake of victory. (Also Gary/Ghaul wanted to use its "Light"). The Hive is a complete other Story: They were told by the Wyrm-Gods (Worm Gods), that they HAVE to snuff out all of the Light and the Traveler is the "biggest source". The Vex are a bit more complicated: They just want to understand the Light, for it is the only thing they can't simulate..... (I love the Destiny Lore and everything involving this universe... and I hope this clears something up) by the way: I am not english, so excuse me, if my grammer or vocabulary is not the best.

[@Subs-rf2si]

ThxUnknown that’s really cool

[@TankDragonSherman]

The question is, if the traveler's a machine, who made it?

[@Aarrence]

true

[@chickenking2025]

ThxUnknown I think your grammar was good

[@EmptyBonesJohnny]

ThxUnknown the traveler left before the hive invaded and it also left behind a fountain of ether

[@nonuvurbeeznus795]

when all they knew of humanity was a steel crowbar coming at them down a dark corridor

[@sadickess4108]

HISSSSSSSSSSSS

[@anthonylopez275]

HISSSS

[@ianbaker672]

the crowbar snaps in two

[@MegaBetaman]

+Ian Baker just kidding

[@ianbaker672]

***** at least someone gets it

[@jacklox1234]

It still baffles me how mat pat doesn't do more theory's on destiny, its a game theory GOLD MINE of lore

[@thomasmartin1260]

YOU MUST DO AN UPDATE!!

[@zouloslecoolos]

These are the games i'd like to see in Game Theory -Prototype (like can a virus like this exist ?) -Plague Inc Evolved (like can those viruses can exist ?) -LEGO Marvel superheroes (like you did with DC) -Metro 2033 (like can you survive in the subway in a post apocaliptic world / bullets : crap or cash ^^) -Broforce (like how can the Terminator and Rambo can meet)

[@willier47]

Oooh Jak and Daxter is Jak The OG Mar or is he a descendent??

[@marcusalm7350]

+La Vodka There are some viruses and bacteria that exist IRL that you can play as in Palgue Inc. So it could happen, but it would be "hard" for the bacteria/virus to become something like that. Evolution takes a bit more than a few button presses to happen :)

[@nostalehalo]

we can survive because the soviets designed the metro to be like a big bunker that helps people to protect themselves against fallout and radiation

[@zakiatmaji02]

+La Vodka Its a game, Anything can exist

[@ChrisTrick]

I hope mat see this

[@Tristan16978]

How epic would it be for the final expansion to be about how the traveler betrays mankind and the raid is to destroy it

[@FirstLast-dp3jx]

You are telling the Future!

[@F0XHunter]

+Arutia Avalon is he?

[@mkwmaster777]

you do know Bungie and Activision will work on this game for 10 years right?

[@Tristan16978]

+Miners Productions yes I know that they said that but that doesn't mean that the final DLC won't be like that

[@mkwmaster777]

you never know.... it would make sense though, the final raid?

[@kadex2123]

You should do a new Destiny video now that the story has progressed significantly. Maybe give a theory about Witch Queen, Lightfall, and The Final Shape?

[@adamfenix213]

Interesting enough, Pujari's story kinda happens to you when you reach a certain point in Shadowkeep.

[@TripleMoonPanda]

Thats why I rewatched this video, I think MatPat might've gotten it right.

[@GTLive]

8/10... Needs more SHELLMET!

[@mrfahrenheit8417]

Yeah. #PulledAStephanie #CatPat #GTLive #BlameJason

[@we1f]

+GTLive You didn't watch it all...

[@daveservice9580]

6/9 needs more "exposing"

[@CaptainRayFox]

+GTLive My professional opinion.... uh 10 out of 10

[@mnemic9564]

Needs more Accelgor

[@Kuchenjaeger]

"Lost plot"? So ALL of the plot?

[@ShadoWolfxNinja]

*_airhorn noises_* SHOTS FIRED

[@dannydang4738]

it's funny bc it's true

[@cunningtub5906]

truth

[@warlordhax5995]

+Fade Senpai ^

[@d.anowon8900]

Ohhhhh

[@goodsir1004]

"why did we do it" to turn them into a gun

[@DarthDude44.]

You know, he's almost 100% correct. The latest expansion explores this side of the story extensively. No spoilers, but check out The Witch Queen if you want your minds blown...

[@jimdoodle9334]

We need to spread this to all the destiny players #TheTravelerMustBurn

[@BrandoCommando21]

the travaler is miss understanded

[@DCIcebreaker]

All the destiny players have already taken every bit of information for story and pieced it together, so no need to spread

[@kuyajayden8442]

Who cares this is not fnaf

[@blakechandler167]

Destiny 2 confirmed

[@blakechandler167]

Destiny 2 confirmed

[@movableacorn3313]

The biggest clue is the resputin cards. Resputin was pretty much a backup for humanity if anything went wrong, and resputin found fault with the Traveller. He was linked to all if the weapons of the golden age able to bombard anything that he believes would hurt humanity. Seeing the darkness arriving far before humanity did resputin went looking for ways to save us. The only way he found was AIM EVERYTHING AT THE TRAVELLER stating "you move, you die". The Traveller was forced for it own life to create the ghosts to raise an army to protect humanity for its own good. Moral of the story, don't mess with the Russians.

[@christopherthompson2244]

movableacorn 3 actually it was to shoot at the traveler only if he tried to leave

[@masterofthelyokianmonsters2886]

movableacorn 3 The soviets proved that.

[@the_real_pengu]

Rasputin lol

[@Allan.T]

Cool beanz

[@emPtysp4ce]

The cards also seem to imply Rasputin didn't get to actually pull the trigger. The Traveler didn't run and Rasputin didn't shoot at it, he was just ready to do so if he needed to.

[@redfox972x]

i wish matt would do another destiny theory... we know so much more now, even without matts help.

[@yggsedits7178]

Watching this after the release of beyond light blows my mind

[@basouwersloot7473]

I found a fusion rifle with the description: All that is dark is not Darkness. Strange right?

[@franciscop.3279]

It's probably referring to Void Light, dark in it's own way, but Light nonetheless

[@Lylybeebee]

I found good one. Doom of Celchis: "Protect the Great Machine! Protect the great-" Which kinda means Celchis's doom was protecting the Great Machine... DAN DAN DUNNN

[@franciscop.3279]

Lylybeebee Yes, the Fallen loved the Traveler, and once it left them, they followed it, probably killing anyone that had the Traveler helping them as they think it's theirs.

[@mat.quantum2671]

Ok let's face it the only way to always win is to be MLG Pros and 360 no scope der asses den we always win

[@butterfly-rr2uh]

I have that fusion rifle like that too

[@griffincrannell5592]

Also, in addition to the traveler having a past of going to planets, destroying them and leaving, somewhere in the grimore it mentions the traveler attempting to leave and then we used a weapon from the golden age to wound it so it stayed with us.

[@basile6316]

+Griffin Crannell Rasputin shot it, the warsat of earth

[@griffincrannell5592]

+Basil E Yeah Rasputin, but hes a warmind, not a warsat

[@stwcrusher]

+Griffin Crannell I remember that. It was in a trailer as well i believe.

[@phillipst9823]

+Griffin Crannell yeah in the grimoire for TTK rasputin says that he was the one to shut down the traveler because it attempted to leave

[@phillipst9823]

Griffin Crannell true haha... personally why don't we just give up the traveler? i'm already a badass sith lord

[@icyskelly204]

Traveler appears Scp foundation: I want every gun to fire on that moon

[@hunterschwartz7738]

The fact that this can’t be proven wrong and it’s year 5 of destiny 2 and year 7 of destiny is insane

[@dr.phalangesofgaming]

Make one on Destiny 2

[@nexelray3207]

Maybe this is why the bad guy from Destiny 2 wants The Traveler. It's a machine that makes you Imortal, perfect for a war like race like the Cabal. And since it's a machine, who is there to say that it can't be reprogramed?

[@MrGameQ11]

also his point with darkness think of void the bridge of light and dark now makes sense

[@koruton_7854]

YESSSS cant wait for pc version to come out on the Blizz app

[@creeperave3768]

Ted Smith one quick correction, Ghaul was the runt of his family, not a deformed albino... I just got the game a few days ago and played through the mission where he tells you this, so it's still fresh for me

[@creeperave3768]

Ted Smith well, I'll be... I don't have that auto rifle, so that would be why I don't know that tidbit.... although being a runt is not a disfigurement, it's just a sign of weakness in warrior societies... so I'd guess the respirator looking thing he has to wear on his face is probably in relation to the disfigurement... or maybe even disfigured is just a descriptor of the albinism itself... but disfigurements are permanent and being a runt is not (I was technically the runt of my family and doctors said I was never supposed to even reach 5'... I am now 5'9" and am among the tallest in my family)

[@TommysMatchbook]

Me: *Finishes quest* My Ghost: "Congratulations! You-" Me: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, just give me that juicy exotic helmet!"

[@yushakader4991]

Nah you get a blue arm piece

[@deanrobinson3435]

Gets gray ghost

[@yosurushi1427]

Reminds me of the shadow keep campaign after the last cutscene

[@goat_exe]

nah. GIVE ME STOMPIES!!!

[@flaming_skull]

Let me guess #gungang

[@oceanjay9234]

I can’t believe he could be right with the fact that Savathun had ghost on her side and the traveler allowed it

[@tronicalli7587]

This aged well, with all we know now. If you think about it, the witness fits every description at 7:19 too. Shows how much care bungo put into destiny :>

[@Dipsxi]

Firing your writing leads only to use their ideas years later doesnt seem to me like a lot of care.

[@TienAnta]

A year later and i still don't trust the traveler

[@jake9085]

OJ MASTER I don't even trust the moon god dammit.

[@tylerlynn69]

Every now and then while I'm in the tower I'll just stop and look at it and remember this video

[@Tony73727]

So Dead Orbit's intentions on leaving Earth is actually a good call since Earth was doomed anyways

[@Tony73727]

Daniel P​ I meant after the Collapse. Of course they didn't exist then. What I mean is Earth is still doomed, a lost cause knowing the only Light available is the Traveler's dying breath.

[@Tony73727]

If the Traveler is revived do you really think it's going to stay at our side? It left the Fallen without a second thought, how long are we useful until the Traveler is revived and realizes the Cabal could be an upgrade to its army. The Speaker is already hiding things from us. Not to mention The Traveler deliberately caused the collapse which killed innocent children, elderly, and disabled... for what? Just so it can revive the able-bodied to defend it and carry out its mindless duties of killing so that it becomes stronger than ever? No, something that could kill me just to revive me and make me its grunt for the sake of its defense isn't a good thing. The Traveler is what we're doomed by.

[@Tony73727]

Daniel P We are dead things only meant for killing, doesn't seem like an improvement in our good guy book.

[@Tony73727]

Daniel P​ Well, I honestly can agree that Earth isn't entirely doomed, they just need to clear out the Fallen and Hive. So they can re-branch out and expand, since there is vegetation, assuming us Dead Beings still eat.

[@Tony73727]

Daniel P I don't think the Cabal would leave us alone after killing Ta' aurc and a large portion of their army. xD

[@tiredhedgehog4608]

I like it when Mat gets an idea from social media and credits it.

[@henrygrady3830]

Dude you were dang close. Though we have come to realize that the darkness is being controlled by a person. The witness. That is the true enemy of the universe

[@michaelmccabbin2084]

there should be a change.org petition to make matpat the new ghost

[@MagicalFishy]

Heck yea!

[@lechevalier-ns2pt]

+. “UDaRealMVP01” no how about a change.org petition for destiny to be remade right ?

[@michaelmccabbin2084]

lechevalier6661 Hahaha damn we need a better story

[@lechevalier-ns2pt]

Seth Eddings GO MY DRAGONS !! KILL THIS SPAM WITH FIRE !! ( not talking about you -_- )

[@Siriuscantpvp]

Yes

[@gaigethemechromancer1179]

I think the biggest reveal here is that someone actually got an Exotic...

[@JyeGuy]

True im lvl 34 never even got legendary

[@shadeymcbones6707]

+Jye Guy lol legendary's start to appear everywhere when you reach endgame content, not really a shock that you havent got any at lvl 34, maybe if you did some of the old endgame content i guess

[@ranger6600]

I got an exotic shotgun, it had an attack of 155, I dismantled it because of that. I didn't know better.

[@ranger6600]

+Chandler Steelflex I got it from the chest in the level 26 (I believe) Prison of Elders.

[@ranger6600]

+Chandler Steelflex It was called Junker or something like that.

[@Fouwl]

8 years later and he was so close

[@danielcrowley162]

watching this after the reveal of Beyond Light, The Witch King, and (where I believe this theory might come into play), Lightfall makes this theory even better

[@jasonking2998]

He misinterprets several points so I don’t think so.

[@Lional]

@ 10:25 you quote a grimoir card, but you take it out of context. The quote is from an Exo's point of view, talking about a dream that all exos have eventually, and consistently as far as I know. It is dealing with the Deep Stone Crypt. All exos were built as war machines, but the Traveler didn't build the exos, mankind did. A company called Clovis Bray actually built the exos. You can do your own research to find out why/how, but like I said, the quote is taken way out of context. Just saying. Also, you should do an updated theory of this game, either before or after the Forsaken expansion is released. Good video bud.

[@JO-cz5gx]

I was going to tell him, by the way do you think the exos were created and their mind developped or were humans minds transfered to exo's body ?

[@Lional]

JO995 To the best of my knowledge, the human consciousness was transplanted into the body of an exo. When doing Cayde-6's treasure maps in Destiny 2, sometimes you'll get a journal fragment of Cayde telling his son Ace that the next time he sees him, he will be a robot, or something to that effect. So I'm pretty sure that the Exos are all pre-made at Clovis Bray and they are awaiting human consciousness. Also, on Mars, you can activate consoles that give much more information about the whole thing, I just don't remember them word for word and I really don't feel like logging in to find out.

[@wolf_boi9734]

Rob Mills they aren't war machines they are a way for humans to live forever but besides that u are good

[@Lional]

Lone wolf This quote was taken literally from the very first line of the Exo page on Destinypedia.com - "The Exo are a race of humanoid war machines built long ago for an unknown purpose and fashioned in humanity's image." I originally heard it from the KZbinr My Name Is Byf.

[@CaironOzi]

Weren't the exos built by Rasputin?

[@spacewizardpip1111]

So does this theory prove that Dead Orbit is right to say we should leave the Traveler? It all makes sense now....

[@carlosbenies688]

Maybe but i think FWC holds more truth now, then the rest. "War is a constant, Guardian." EDIT: No matter what we would be fighting something

[@spacewizardpip1111]

I get that, I'm more a Dead Orbit guy because, the Traveler has just caused problems after the collapse.

[@carlosbenies688]

i know just wanted to say FWC is bae

[@spacewizardpip1111]

The Traveler is a liar, after the collapse it gave us Guardians to protect itself. I never trusted the Traveler because, it's just basically using Earth as a proxy army. Guardians are made to be killers to protect a being that has gone from planet to planet, making more of The Darkness. If the Traveler left Earth we'd probably be with The Darkness.

[@ryanbaker1207]

I agree more with future war cult. It's too far to go back now. We need the light. Without we will be wiped out before we know what hit us.

[@lixoid4010]

This aged very well

[@glaacial4830]

he predicted stasis 5 years ago

[@jessicamassa9377]

no,he didn't he says the guardians are the villains which according to the dark future lore is the exact opposite of correct

[@leekshooter4825]

But the Traveler smells of vanilla, surely it can't be evil!

[@OperationalSeraphim]

Rip Cade-6 2014-2018

[@Callsign_Curry]

I hope we are in the forst on mercury all the time and this didnt happen 🤔

[@bizarre_majima]

Yeah I know infact matpat plz take care of Ace

[@karen-gf3nk]

It’s Cayde

[@bizarre_majima]

@@karen-gf3nk It's Cayde-6

[@clonetrooper0426]

SCP -049 Im the cure, my son got two stuffed red pandas he didn’t know what to name them. Two minutes later it’s Cayde and Ace.

[@adrianbowen4024]

It’s wild how every theory mention in the card at 7:30 are all completely true, the Witness and Veil are all of those things.

[@Dustin_Studios]

I feel like MatPat needs to update on the story now since the story has taken a drastically different turn then the one that was taken out of the first game. I mean he has time to make endless lore videos about the truth about Five Nights At Freddy's. He could surely do an update on the story now in Destiny. Just an idea.

[@monstaproductions4983]

Just more food for thought but if you dig deep enough you learn that rasputin after seeing that the traveler was going to leave the planet decided in a last ditch attempt to Shoot him down.. Yes you read that right! Rasputin forced the traveler to stay by shooting him down thats why theres huge damage at the bottom of the traveler but nowhere else! Also rasputin was shut down during this event in an attempt by the traveler to wipe out all past knowledge on how the collapse was brought about BUT rasputin already realised this was going to happen and set up safety measures. He knew this because when they were researching the vex he saw every possible outcome of the future and in this future he saw the traveler betray earth and its people. So what Rasputin did was implant himself subconsciously into exos that he specifically built in order to live forever and got them to come back and re-animate him after the collapse but which exo you ask? easy its Cayde because in one of the cards it says only 4 eyes have ever been able to gain access to rasputins lair and cayde was human at one time before he was turned into an exo by rasputin and had his memory wiped during the collaps. Basically the 4 eyes belong to him, 2 when he was human and 2 now that he is an exo. Subconsciously cayde re-activated rasputin and basically now rasputin and the traveler are at war. Basically Rasputin outsmarted the traveler and started a huge death game and he knows the outcome of it all. The traveler realising it got fucked over was forced to create ghosts in a last ditch attempt to gain an army before the other races it fucked over tracked its whereabouts down and tried to seek revenge. Also just an interesting thing to go take a look at is when you go to the tower quickly go look at the traveler, you will notice that its actually healing! some spots that looked battle damaged are actually gone now and its getting more vibrant and less dirty looking.

[@defiantabyss9882]

noice

[@fort809]

Exactly. I wonder if matpat read the grimoir AT ALL.

[@sp4de5]

Well damn son, you did some good thinking. Cayde tho

[@sp4de5]

Well damn son, you did some good thinking. Cayde tho

[@chaoticreaper0575]

+MonstaProductions just throwing this out there if thats the case then why would you be defending Rasputin if guardians were made to fight for the traveler then wouldnt the traveler have its ghosts and its speaker label rasputin as a "Threat" and force the guardians to wipe him out?

[@dogeinator1235]

We killed a god because the game requires it and that’s probably how you get that sweet SWEET loot

[@jackhussey6435]

Dogeinator 123 as papa console taught sweet preceious leut!

[@forsgsrekylgevr2113]

Kills God - gets rare

[@link_team3855]

that's using game logic. game logic doesn't pass here. sorry.

[@lolidkman2512]

Papa console taught you well

[@estrelaplatina5711]

Well, it's not truth 100%. You kill that "god" to let traveler heal himself.

[@Eos_Hunt3r]

did he- he made a joke about the armor- we dont get purples anymore, we getting lots of blues

[@deepseastonecore3017]

We might need to update this Theory

[@yarry6952]

Ha! I made my character an Exo, so technically I AM a killing machine! Eat That, MatPat!

[@crab7252]

Derpo Kaiba, the President of Derpo Corp. me too... me too

[@dejigamer2166]

no matter what race you choose your character can always feel feelings as demonstrated throughout the game and as we all know robots have no feelings and their goal is to do what they've be told to do so if you character has feelings it can't be a machine eco is a race of living breathing people in this game

[@luisf2793]

Derpo Kaiba, the President of Derpo Corp. me too

[@allstartrilogy2901]

Derpo Kaiba, the President of Derpo Corp. I made my character an exo to

[@finnegan.v7831]

Overkill ALL THE WAY!!!

[@beetlepenny8561]

With the release of Witch queen and seeing everything that has happened so far. Mat Patt was on to something

[@GoldTrojan]

Wait till beyond light then we will actually wield the darkness

[@eaglekiller888dragon2]

wlep it sucks and now we lost a lot more content than we got back

[@justinbauer6449]

@@eaglekiller888dragon2 beyond light was great, and brought one of the best raids in the game. It was the season that came with it that was bad.

[@ittapupu8405]

I hope he'll do another theory with the Taken King or Rise of Iron

[@desertcroc4418]

same

[@thegamingwizard9561]

Rise of Iron ?

[@falken3413]

+Jesse Kozlovsky new DLC comin September where we fight a fallen mutant army and a war mind I suppose and we help Lord Saladin ( Lord Salad 🍲) and occasionally becoming an Iron Lord!

[@thegamingwizard9561]

oh thx

[@matarese2868]

The taken king ought to be a good one

[@Tarfudude]

Laughed so hard at the Light Trump

[@akumabamf1]

Russia instead of China

[@SilentSub]

+caleb thomas so funny XD

[@freegamereviews783]

+caleb thomas Obama would have been a better fit. We still know nothing about the man and the golden age of the US has come to its end during his presidency.

[@SilentSub]

Free Game Reviews Not disagreesing, since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but Light Trump is a funny idea, almost as good as Tronald Dump

[@Leafy46]

Looking at this as of Beyond Light, this is an interesting rewatch.

[@Mylotan]

Well this is a fun one to come back to after 5 years Destinys story has really expanded greatly in half a decade.

[@alexandergambino1640]

Anyone else feel that the enemies in destiny represent the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse? War - The Cabal Famine - The Fallen Pestilence - The Vex Death - The Hive

[@mydeadboarbill9600]

Even the gun 4th Horsemen!

[@DarkKnightofHeaven]

+Tytus Wellington the darksiders 4 horseman are not exact to the true 4 horseman. teh darksiders horsemen are war, death, fury, and strife. Traditionally the 4 horsemen are war, death, famine and pestilence however since they are biblical reference its very interpretable, due to the only one actually being named and described is death so when I say exact the better term is traditional, with the first three being the main ways to die at the time of their inception (war, famine(starvation), or pestilence(plague/disease)) and the final one being death incarnate(and hence the strongest of the four).

[@ryandavid5363]

That makes a lot of sense, and if they did purposefully add that someone at Bungie actually has a good idea for once 😝

[@unitfifty-five7372]

yea

[@DaneTheInsane675]

+Aizen Sama Conquest is sometimes interpreted at Pestilence instead, and it makes more sense like that often considering the order in which the riders appear.

[@ScottHermanFitness]

Halo 5 is all about Master Chief rebelling to defeat THE TRAVELER!!!!!

[@psychedandelevated2854]

Scotty! What are you doing here! Great vids man!

[@vantave9946]

The guardians are a biproduct of the traveler!

[@headhusky5707]

Yes, the master chief has returned to kick the traveler in the face and show who is the real boss.

[@brah9649]

+HeadHusky but the guardians fight along side master chief after they defeat there instincts of killing first and see the error of their ways.

[@headhusky5707]

JonesJimBobskie _________ Master chief already did that. Maybe you're referring to Locke, who just has a target, that is all he knows and all he cares about. Never asked anything else, doesn't know anything else. Has one mission and plans to fulfill it, despite the ones who ordered it.