Sawdust to silence a whining diff - will it work?

[@mwce2]

My dad used to tell me about banana peels being used. He was a mechanic for 57 years

[@fabbricaitalianaautomobili5859]

I heard the same

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Wow really. Lol i love old mechanics they always have something up the sleeve.

[@roubenssonrw5862]

My dad told me about that as well. Would be cool if they try it out

[@crypt8902]

++ used that in my jeep but just few weeks then sound came back again

[@iainoggy]

I bought a fiat cinquecento that had banna in gear box put in prob to sell it

[@XGamesJ6]

You should make a Clear Thermostat Housing, I'm curious to see how often it opens and closes, to maintain temp on a cold day.

[@XenoWiz]

YES! Ive always wanted to see this!

[@kinsmart7294]

Just get an thermostat and put it on boiling water.

[@XGamesJ6]

@@kinsmart7294 Well yea I can see it move, but I'm curious how it functions during normal use on a -40 degree day. Does it only open partially? Or does it open and close over and over and over etc.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Amazing!

[@therobb5738]

thermostat? whats that? lol jk

[@Shotgun_Messenger]

The whine you are referring to comes from the pinion depth as related to the ring gear. It happens on vehicles that have a damaged crush collar or a myriad of other problems in the diff assembly. This is only a basic explanation, as many other factors can also cause the typical whine on decel vs accel . Using bad ground up gears won't get you the result your looking for. Still great video guys.

[@anthonyleske6840]

My thoughts as well.

[@trueblue862]

This is pretty much what I was thinking, their diff is too far gone for this to work.

[@jeffduncan02]

A worn pinion bearing will make a whine at speed too.

[@rigardt548]

Could have better results if they have set the backlash on the pinion first,probably

[@wannabeetiger]

It was a good video nonetheless!

[@southysuper6036]

Admittedly I took lead foil and ran it through a coffee grinder and packed the differential of my own ural motorcycle combined with grease to quiet it down for a few hundred kilometers to get where I needed. It worked like magic. I’ve heard of transmissions and differentials packed with sawdust. I did not know the lead trick was common. I thought I was clever at the time.

[@shawnsatterlee6035]

Yeah lets put saw dust or powdered lead in a transmission. U do realize a manual is a gearbox? Go head n dump stupid shit in a automatic n see what happens.

[@208xj]

@@shawnsatterlee6035 no shit

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

cool story bro

[@joey66436]

you might have been clever at the time but you won't be clever anymore after all that lead coffee

[@erikziak1249]

The secret recipe is to add finely ground hot paprika, the Hungarian style. Also some Csabai sausages, roughly cut to pieces small enough just to fit through the hole. I would say about 0,7kg of paprika powder and 0,5 kg of Csabai sausages for that Lada differential. Also, no oil, but rather lard. About 1,3 kg should do the trick.

[@charlesphilips2920]

i couldn't read this without laughing

[@benniethejew]

tastieee

[@danbergthold3481]

Hi Erik, I'll be in Hungary next week for a family trip in the region. I haven't been there since 1990 when the road was full of Trabants! How is driving there these days? Are the cops tricky and nasty or can you go as fast as you find safe like in Poland and Germany?

[@davidtoth8975]

@@danbergthold3481 I'm Hungarian. No more Trabants, sadly. Cops and cameras are well documented on Waze, with traffic coming from the other way alerting you if they saw any. Still, driving fast is discouraged by the road quality, which is absolutely dogshit. Do not rely on signage to navigate, they're bad.

[@danbergthold3481]

@@davidtoth8975 Koszonom, David! (Sorry, I don't now how to get all those cool accents in there!). This is very helpful information. I know that much has changed since I was there and this is much appreciated intel. Back when I was there, almost nobody even had a telephone! I can't wait to get back the fabulous Hungarian food and wine!

[@rayceeya8659]

I think this story goes back to the days before they were using hypoid gears in differentials. Like when diffs still used straight cut gears.

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

Heavier trucks and buses often use diff gears with less angle meaning that they have some kind of audible humming but no grinding like the shot diff.

[@TsunauticusIV]

Do “will it blend” videos with the clear diff cover. Shove random stuff in there to see if it grinds it all up. Lol

[@forrestcarroll9350]

I test drivetrain components for a living, I can tell you for a fact that a diff will chew up anything and everything including itself when given enough torque.

[@corydorastube]

@@forrestcarroll9350 They have an appetite for stray digits.

[@dmntd1]

@@forrestcarroll9350 true. My pinion bearing went and one of the bearings came out along with part of the retainer... Sounded like a shotgun went off. No evidence of the pieces when I got home.ground up. When rebuilding, I tried to use denim doubled over a few times to jam the gears while tightening the pinion nut... Yeah.. It grounded that up in a hurry.

[@harryspence2701]

I can confirm that the banana and it's peel worked in my case. In 1970 I worked for a small construction company (3 workers plus owner). We had an early 60s Chevy pickup with a bad whine. The boss had me drain the rear end and add the peel of a one banana. Then mash up banana with a fork in the drained oil and use it to refill the diff. He had me use the truck for 2 days it went completely quiet. Then he sold it. He told me this would only work for a couple hundred miles. He said after that the oil/banana mix would turn into something that looked like black Jell-O sticking to the inside rear end housing and rear end was trashed.

[@da_SpiffR]

I was really hoping to see the diff. taken apart to see where the lead ended up.... too bad there was no transparant cover; maybe could have seen what happened right after start up. Great video still.

[@raven4k998]

saw dust is much safer then powdered lead which could cause lead poisoning if it leaked out and got into a person no one's ever gotten saw dust poisoning🤣

[@SoggyCoffeeAddict]

When they showed the undercarriage I was 100% expecting it to explode on the street. I was riding with one of my uncle's on the way to the scrap yard with about a 5000~ pound load of scrap metal, and literally a few hundred yards from the weighing scales just inside the yard. The differential exploded going around a bend just before the straight away to the yard. Then not even a month of being repaired, the transmission completely gave out at. You guessed it, the scrap yard. Where a big semi rig pulled him out of the way on the side of the road

[@forrestcarroll9350]

At least the truck was already close to where it was gonna end up heh

[@davidtoth8975]

Yo should try that Xado stuff. Used one in my transmission when it was whining and it did absolutely nothing. Would be interesting to see an in depth, unbiased review of their products.

[@Lee01Mr]

Try the egg in a leaking radiator

[@White000Crow]

I’ve seen it work. I’ve personally prefer course black pepper.

[@rogerfrancis65]

I put eggs in radiator with a leak, scrapped the car 6 months later still had tge same water in it.

[@White000Crow]

@@rogerfrancis65 when I did the black pepper it lasted for years on a 300k engine. I sold the car with the pepper still in there.

[@eh6971]

For me personally bacon seems to do the job.

[@nicostenfors5690]

@@White000Crow Cinnamon powder works wonders.

[@davidjernigan8161]

I've heard of using sawdust, bananas, straight STP, or motor honey.

[@nicostenfors5690]

I've tried STP, had to insert it with a spoon to the diff lol. Noise was slightly reduced but not gone.

[@archiethedog4515]

I've seen an African semitruck have its differential filled with bananas to help it since it was failing. It actually worked.

[@bruceraykiewicz6274]

When I was very young, back in the early '60s', we could not afford major repairs to our cars. I remember old timers saying that they added 'oatmeal' to a rear end to quiet it down. And sometimes to a standard transmission to make it shift smoother. thanks for your many fasinating videos.

[@F14foreverF14]

They should use the transparent diff again for this experiment, it would have been awesome to see the lead shot through the transparent plexiglass.

[@raven4k998]

yeah, and put a camera to watch it as it runs so we can watch it work in action

[@666louis]

Mythbusters - Garage 54 edition ^.^

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

*Fifty year ago i used inside bicycle tyre tube cut in small pieces to reduce diff and transmission noise* worked well

[@rne143c]

I worked in a gas station in 1964 and I saw the mechanic empty out a rear end that had saw shavings in the rear end but it wasn't saw dust like you put in... Use shavings not dust. Old used car trick in the South East of the USA.

[@mschiffel1]

You need to add a few bananas to the sawdust/gear oil mix. A bit of grease from the grease gun is a must. This works fairly well in getting things quiet.

[@redsable6119]

Then sell the car.

[@sultankuto8724]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 well said good sir

[@kleetus92]

The lead thing I've head about, but most guys called it 'white lead' which was actually lead oxide. It would help in lubricity, and it was a common racer's trick to get some additional performance over the pack of competition.

[@edifyguy]

Ah, the pigment version. That's an interesting thought.

[@youandiryan]

I am so very happy and fortunate that during these times with Russia you guys are still uploading. This is one of my favorite channels on KZbin

[@CajunShrek]

Or also a zinc additive or maybe some of that engine pellet stuff that you stick in for head gasket repair

[@South_0f_Heaven_]

Great episode Thank you for providing the high quality content like always. Vlad and his cohorts are top notch especially in these contested times. Fantastic job as always 👍👍👍👍👍

[@jacobuscoetzee6689]

As long as it whines it's working when the whine stops then you have to start worrying

[@agungriski5224]

in Indonesia its common to use thicker oil such as train oil or trsnsformer oil(electrical trafo)....banana....saw dust or even fill diff with chasis greas

[@wallbanger1968]

I remember an episode of The Andy Griffith Show where Barney Fife bought a worn out car from a little old lady who "only drove it to church on Sundays." One trick was to put sawdust in the rear end to quiet the noise for a few days, just long enough to sell it.

[@DarkLinkAD]

Steering wheel became a dancing Cobra

[@volvo09]

I had a suuuuper rusty 300k mile truck with a terribly leaky power steering rack. It wouldn't hold fluid at all (it leaked out of the racks input shaft) I drove it around empty most of the time and muscled the wheel so I didn't have oil leaking all over my driveway... but before I traded it in (for scrap value, I just wanted to transfer the plates) I tried putting sawdust in the fluid to see if it would clog the leak. I put a few quarts of sawdust fluid in (3 tsp per qt of fine sawdust, and after it leaked enough out the leak slowed down dramatically! It went from emptying the res in 10 miles, to lasting a week! 😂

[@peterbrown6224]

They should put these tips in the owner's manual.

[@genehunsinger3981]

GEE!!!!!!You outta bottle the stuff,,,,LOL

[@davidfleishman2275]

Drain the diff oil.Then pump the diff full of EP#2 grease.Then drive.

[@countryguywithcamera]

Maybe try a diff that's not quite so knackered 🤣🤣

[@daniellee9015]

I had a friend who was a mechanic and we had a bad CV joint and did not want to spend money on the car so he put cow shit inside the CV joint to stop it groning when going around a corner it was a vauxhall cavalier or Opel Vectra brilliant video guys

[@TGBdani]

😄😄

[@mrPauljacob]

Cow shit lol... He was a confident dude lol

[@danbergthold3481]

If you live in an urban, cow-free area, would canine, feline or hu-person feces suffice?

[@digitalchaos1980]

That look on his face around the 4:40 mark is hilarious! 🤣🤣

[@KerbsterCrushtic]

Something potentially interesting to try: Using a clutch disk as a brake rotor Or using a brake rotor as a clutch disk

[@sawdamutkharbuki1152]

Try replacing a steering wheel with a tyre 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@peterasztalos6370]

Our bus sounds the same :)

[@gifilipo]

I think the banana thing that other people suggested is true. Heard it before from several different mechanics. They said that the whole banana, green ones, are the best thing for it. For power steering is the corn flour that makes it smooth

[@DarkLinkAD]

Power steering is so thin, just use 15w 40 instead of corn starch

[@IRDazza]

Love you guys. THe crazy shit is excellent. Hope all goes well with current, dramas, send the best to all the crew from DOWN UNDER. Wish WE could have so much fun!! Thumbs up.

[@raven4k998]

they are real life myth busters man they try things for the hell of it to see what happens

[@jockmctavish1549]

I always thought that sawdust in the diff works better with thick grease an a wee bit of oil...no just oil

[@airsoftmnmetalhead1]

Look at that no shimming required

[@superdupercake]

could hear the gears being machined down on deceleration haha

[@marcinbanachowski6886]

The dust should not be a dust...it should be something bit thicker... Have look for it in the pet shops. Than it will work... I know the story since my childhood and it real works.

[@_r.t-]

More shavings than dust

[@android584]

I like it that they can take cars out on to the road in various states of repair and registration in a relaxed state, rather than be paranoid about giving thug cops an excuse to send a large fine and loss of demerit points your way, as Australian drivers are accustomed to.

[@danbergthold3481]

Sounds like things have really gone downhill since they took everybody's guns.

[@gabrielv.4358]

"It seems to be quieter" "[Applause]"

[@BigJ1931]

Paraffin is a great use for rear ends as there is nothing to stop up like a engine from the 70s from use of Castrol oil that had paraffin in it mabe even transmissions

[@vinnygraziano1318]

Nah, as an American, I love what you guys at Garage54 do. You have the same internal questions I have in MY head. But you guys have the b@!!$ to actually do it. I love this channel, and Vlad and Surgae and the rest of the "Garage54 Gang" as I like to say

[@dahgman3225]

So what I'm hearing is, yes sawdust could work at first signs of a whine. But not so much for a badly damaged one.

[@joseph-mariopelerin7028]

My dad was a crook, he was selling cars... I saw him many time rolling the speedometer by hand and putting sawdust in the engine oil so it doesn't smoke.. for a quick sale!

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

That makes you an older fellow if your dad was rolling speedos back. It's been quite a while since you could make a drill travel 30k miles on a dashboard. How long did he had to keep that drill running to get 20k miles from it?

[@joseph-mariopelerin7028]

@Thesaurcery4U2C he used a sewing machine sometimes up to 3 days... Drill were too fast, melt the mecanism

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

@@joseph-mariopelerin7028 Thanks for the answer, I always wondered about how long that would take someone. Years ago, you would always hear that the dealer probably rolled it back. Your old man was one of the guys who helped to spread that concern huh. Oh well. My Dr. office is 10x the crook your father was. I think that I saw the drill being used in a movie or something.

[@joseph-mariopelerin7028]

@Thesaurcery4U2C now that I remember, it was the drill that melted first... Sewing machine were more sturdy... He had a setup with a blower fan, that's the one that melted the speedo, But yeah... crooks everywhere, it's start with our politicians... What a mess eh!

[@PavelZajec]

When I was a kid my dad told me they would use sawdust, bananas and bread to quiet noisy differentials and transmissions.

[@joey66436]

The problem is with this diff is not a worn gearset as much as a bad small/rear pinion bearing. Under deceleration the pinion gear is drawn into the crown gear causing terrible noise. It would be better to test this with a diff with still in-tact bearings, but a noisy/worn ring and pinion. It would likely help with that (albeit temporarily) as it will thicken the oil. The typical gear wine at 45mph / 80km/h type, rather than one like this.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Maybe a can or two of restore which has powdered copper, silver, and lead in it along with a can of STP, or motor honey.

[@Triple88a]

Saw dust in the diff is the dealership special lol

[@halomaniacp90]

I have a suggestion for a build, make a Lada with 4 motorcycle engines each powering one wheel

[@ninjasupreme5966]

I would love to have a lada here in the US.

[@PatrickMersinger]

I’ve heard of this being done with the engine. Adding sawdust with the oil to improve compression.

[@TESBADWOLF]

These guys make auto-mechanical engineering looks like legos

[@seagie382]

Powdered lead would ideally work the same way as molybednium in the oil

[@ddavidobbar]

saw dusts and banana peels, no joke it works for a little while

[@petelattimer6808]

having known people who have tried it, usually when the diff bearings are worn, they say it works BUT the diff doesnt usually live long. a couple of hundred miles at best. usually done to make it quiet and sell the car.

[@fuhkoffandie]

In India I've seen them put whole bananas, in truck rear ends, & transmissions, to stop noise, or a leak, or something.....

[@K-Effect]

I heard the same thing years ago when I was a kid, use a banana to make it quiet long enough to sell it

[@doraexplora9046]

God that was funny. That would have to be the worst sounding AND looking diff I think I've ever seen being put INTO a car. That noise. OMG there really was some carnage going on in that diff.

[@springfield197]

I remember this, this use to be a thing back in the 70’s and up to the 90’s where old car dealers put saw dust into the diff to make it sound good when it had problems to sell the cars faster. Because they are used and old cars they couldn’t get money back. I had this happen to me with a 90 Caprice. Bought it 2015 and after a while it died.

[@supercuteguineapigs]

You did the Salt Bae with the sawdust!!!! 😂😂😂You are my heroes ❤

[@thefreedomguyuk]

The trick is to fill up a worn tranny/diff with shreds of banana skins. The ling fibres are quite tough, and can fill out tolerances for a little while.

[@jasonbirch1182]

Using a diff that is completely wasted is the issue. If it was just a whiner and added stuff it might help but that thing is horrendous to begin with.

[@markellis4229]

It’s still good for a another 100k lol 😂 Ladas have bulletproof engineering

[@thedon7536]

we used to do this in the 80s when we used to sell cars

[@thefreedomguyuk]

Indeed

[@Rckageek]

5:16 damn daniel !

[@dontcare563]

People don't flush older transmissions because the sludge is the only thing holding them together!

[@charleslink6128]

A whole head of bananas peels and everything gets rid of it. It’s an old timer trick for stock car racing here in the USA

[@Resurrectionaudio]

I heard of a guy packing ground beef into the differential to hide the sound while he sold it

[@Dsmwarrior1996]

Another life hack, a couple handfuls of sawdust will also help with a slipping automatic transmission, it obviously won't fix it, but it will make it drive again, no guarantees on how long it will last, up to 6 months maybe, but I have done it before and know it works

[@mycarpounds]

I was told years ago ..when my trucks rear axle seals started leaking on a long roadtrip to Alaska from BC Canada to put sawdust or banana peels in it to help slow the leak so we could make it home!! And we made it!!

[@VintageCR]

it is clear that sawdust makes the high pitch notes less noticeable. The lead balls apparently do the opposite.

[@bradzv8crazy]

Giday guys, Brad from Australia. Historically here down under in Australia we stuff the diff with banana peels. I'd like to see you guys try that in your diff. Cheers!

[@gvii]

Holy smokes, that thing was absolutely annihilated, lol. Besides the ring and pinion missing chunks, I have to believe that the bearings are all pretty much hammered poo at this point as well. I don't think anything short of the hand of God would make that thing quiet again. Well, maybe the Doctor's sonic screwdriver could too, but even that would have a hard time. Hahahaha.... But whatever, it was a fun watch anyway. As it always is from this crew.

[@blueridgemountainprepper2166]

You should try this again with powdered graphite. It's extremely slick

[@Nik-8it5p]

Wellies work wonders too!

[@mikeforce5926]

I think powdered lead would be like the lead in a pencil.Also called graphite.

[@KowboyUSA]

The lead shot to powder manufacturing line - the things our mad lads will do to make a video lol

[@hecker4758]

I would like to see what is happening inside with that transparent cover.

[@redneckbtnd9766]

you should put transparent case on and see how the saw dust and the led balls react in the diff

[@shawnsatterlee6035]

Normally the "whining sound" comes from a bad pinion bearing. Normally.

[@deant876]

If you spen as much time to grind up that lead, just replace the bearings

[@CajunShrek]

I would think that a Molly additive would do the trick cuz it would cost some lubrication stickation to the gears

[@oxide32100]

i should imagine the theory of wood shavings is creating a buffer of sorts in between the worn gears, which should quieten any noise, but cant see it working in a real life theory.

[@robertwalley6692]

They used to do this in dishonest car lots when you bought cars as is, a few miles down the road the transmission fell apart when they first sounded great. The effects will last only a short while nothing long term.

[@Microplastic_Therapy]

Sawdust also cures engine knock

[@brianmeattey4151]

My father said he blew a piston in a old car and back then money was not accessible as much as now but so what he did he said was took the wrist pin and rod and piston out then he said he put a price of log the size of the hole in then drove it in the cylinder then put it together and he said ya wouldn't know for a long enough .but that was before my time .but I'd really like you all to try it and see if it actually worked as he said .so give it a try and see how it acts he said he sold it and it sounded great and the person never knew and was driving it for years but ya try it yes?I really hope you do it would be interesting

[@edifyguy]

On a carbureted engine with enough cylinders you can lose one like that and not have it be a big deal. I had a 3.0v6 in a Mercury Sable that had one cylinder with a head gasket failure leaking compression to atmosphere; it was usually a dead miss and a total waste of fuel. Because it was multi-port fuel injection, I disconnected the fuel injector on that cylinder and drove it quite happily on 5 for 40,000 miles or so. :) His solution simply deleted the cylinder entirely and would have a similar effect, though it would adversely affect engine balance because it's missing parts meant to be moving.

[@byronnelson1556]

Tell ball. Bearings in crankcase gut the oil filter

[@rhyswoodman6781]

Try non Newtonian fluid in the diff.

[@Not2480]

A day at garage54 would be a good prize. Local.(100 .mile radius)

[@SuperPeter05]

The before and after video edits. Gold 107%.

[@kittty2005]

Use strips of cork that's how it was done in the 20s and thirtys. The cork strips could be fed through the fill hole until the noise stopped then you give a test drive to the customer then sell him the car and get the heck out of town before the rear end blew up. LOL

[@milandjuric3119]

Toothpaste... No oil, use only toothpaste

[@yachalmighty6676]

You got pretty evil numbers of subscribers :). Good job as always!

[@danbergthold3481]

Vlad, great facial expressions during your initial test drive; you're looking a lot like Dr. Evil again! Voiceover guy, you're doing such a great job! I love the low-affect, Kermit the frog delivery! I'm quite curious. Your accent is clearly North American but your word choice makes me think you might be Canadian vs. USA-American. Am I right? What's your story? Please spill the beans! Stupid Idea #1: How nice would it sound if you guys were to randomly saw off several of the meshing gears? Fewer gears = less friction = less noise, right? Something tells me I may have this wrong. Stupid Idea #2: My wife's Lexus is a very quiet car. Your research in this video has me thinking that maybe I could make her car even quieter if I filled the differential with sawdust. It's a low-mileage, 2021 model - still under warranty. Would you agree that this is a terrifically good idea?

[@Mark.D.H.]

Love the way they take a scrap car and just cruise around town!

[@danbergthold3481]

Whaddaya mean? That's a nice Lada! Have you seen the one they burned to the ground and then revived? It's a MUST-SEE.

[@Mark.D.H.]

@@danbergthold3481 Yeah I'd forgotten about that one. So funny.

[@michaelcook7090]

The way I heard the story/rumor about sawdust in the differential was that, along with the sawdust, there was added banana peel(s). Worth a try?

[@badbanano]

The old racers put in banana peels, but I think it was just for the posi trac clutches.

[@SP-mp9yi]

Sawdust in the Manual Gearbox was a real thing in 80's England to take out the slop in the shifter but the rest of that vehicle probably never made it before you would notice 🤣. You were never going past another MOT

[@vicu2sk811]

I think the best option would be tin.