I BOUGHT & TESTED the FAKE Concept 2 Rower on Amazon...

[@mihaelachiscovici]

Arrived as expected with all parts intact, also included two hex keys for assembly. kzbin.infoUgkxwOUUBdw8-88Iu4QnQS7q6b2NwZkHiYVl Had to adjust mine slightly to fit my bike, this was easy enough with instructions. I bought it to train with my track bike and found it to have resistance similar to climbing a slight gradient. Takes a while to learn to balance but there is plenty of guidance to help on the internet. Edit: There was more resistance at lower speeds because of the number of contact points but at higher speeds it is much easier as you don’t have to contend with drag.

[@busterchops]

No joke, I bought my Concept 2 in 2000. It is still going strong with very minor issues (I changed the chain once, the handle once and the seat about a month ago. The monitor also crapped out on me about 3 years ago). I have put millions and millions of meters on it and it is still rock solid (knock on wood). Well spent money.

[@reesecollins482]

thats what happens when a company offers easily accessible OEM replacement parts, should be the standard for ALOT of things.

[@markkovalcson7243]

I've had a Concept 2 Model C since 1993! It's still going strong nearly 30 years later! I upgraded the handle with the newer design when the Model D was introduced many years ago, but that's about it. They are built to last! It gets regular use still looks brand new.

[@jonscot8393]

I'm currently rebuilding a model C and doing a lot of cross referencing with the D and E, keep the C. the other models have been lightened in many ways.

[@bankuei]

One thing I really appreciate about your channel is that you do take time to consider the viewpoint of a casual person who honestly might be best served by a low end version of equipment. I myself got a cheap no-name rower and it's fine; rowing isn't my primary workout and it gets by for what I need; but there's definitely a zone in a lot of equipment ranges where you're taking a risk that the product won't even hit the bare bottom needs or that it'll break before anyone gets their money's worth, and I'm glad you're at least letting folks know where that line is when you do look at these things.

[@jamesbussey2911]

C2 Rowergs cost over a thousand pounds in the UK, which is generally the case for our consumer goods: a £ Sterling for a US dollar. However, I've done 20 million metres on mine, and it's going as well as the day I bought it nine years ago. They do indeed hold their resale value - about 90-95% of the price for a new one. I'll resell mine to pay for my funeral in maybe half a century's time: longer than that if I keep rowing 🖖🤓. It's the best expensive fitness investment there is, and if one starts a C2 logbook, there's no way out of that particular addiction save death...and this is another good thing about Concept 2: they send you free stuff every 5 million metres - t-shirts for 5 and 15, a sweatshirt for 10, and a sports bag for 20, as well as pin badges each time. 👍 I did my first million or so metres on various gym rowergs, and decided to buy one once I'd realised I could commit to using it a lot, and doing the online challenges. I used to do a lot of road running and racing, but quit that after I started losing strength and speed in my 40s, so indoor rowing has replaced that as my main sport. The rowerg doesn't train all one's muscles, though: I do bench presses, press-ups, dips and various pull-ups, chin-ups and muscle-ups to fill in the gaps.

[@balcerzaq]

860 pounds in UK

[@cannibalholocaust3015]

I saw a nearly brand new Black C2 with new Rowerg lettering going for £150 on Facebook marketplace. Usually older people will buy them, use them once and sell at huge loss. Keep an eye out

[@andrewhussey2002]

I on my fourth Concept 2. Not because I've ever had a single problem but when I get short of cash, I sell it and then buy another one when I'm flush again. Resale prices mean it's way less than borrowing money! 😁

[@l0rd0f0xygen]

you really reviewed a rower without showing it being used....

[@obe1withtheforce785]

And plugging it too

[@toby9999]

All we needed to know were the differences between this and the c2, and they were stated.

[@barkpeterbark]

I got an older model Concept2 (with the PM2 computer), essentially the same as the newer models, for just over $400 off of Craigslist. If you want a Concept2 for a lower price, just wait it out.

[@oaktree1626]

Just checked Craigslist in my area and found one for $499.

[@apeekintime]

In my area the best price I have found for a used model (and it looked WELL used or had been left outside) was $800.

[@barkpeterbark]

@@apeekintime Yeah for sure, you have to get lucky, but you *can* find one.

[@matthewchan9807]

Yeah if you’ve got a model C, you can always upgrade the monitor very easily to a pm5

[@FitnessSheriff]

I got same for $500. Guy had it in attic, stopped using it. Only had 3 logged workouts on it....my dad has the original PM1 with wooden handle, that was in our house for my childhood and he still does his daily 8K meters on it.

[@SwindonRunner]

Concept 2 have a great online community and online tables, you can measure your performance against rowers around the world at various distances, times etc. That is a great motivator.

[@DampRaccoon]

For some, the cheaper entry point will allow you to workout in a way you couldn't otherwise. For others, getting cheaper equipment isn't as thrilling or exciting if you're just trying to fill a void, and you may not be as excited use it. Spending more on something might also cause one to use it more just to get the value from it, which could lead to healthier habits moving forward. While motivation to work out and all that stuff should come first of course, I think knowing yourself in what else is effective is necessary, too.

[@rthomp62]

You get what you pay for. Support the companies that actually designed and built a reputation for quality like Concept 2. Some things are worth saving/waiting for.

[@guitarsandcars2586]

Yeah but no normal person wants to pay 1000 + dollars for a damn exercise machine. Plenty of machines for less than a thousand that are just as good.

[@mauort6870]

@@guitarsandcars2586 normal is very subjective. it wouldn't be the best selling most recommended rower if people weren't buying it.There are plenty of normal people that are just more committed to quality than you for example.

[@ak-zw8jv]

I'd love to see you review the bells of steel air bike and fringe sports raptor bikes. Both belt drives so seem most comparable to rogue, but cheaper AND include all the add ons.

[@ravenjento]

I ´d like to see that, too :)

[@lukenath6983]

Bump

[@satinderjit4]

Yes please

[@jaybercasio9913]

MWR sales on military bases sell used concept 2s for $200-$350.

[@ImmaOneManBandMan]

I've worked with a Blitz bike for quite some time. They're more like an assault bike but quieter and smoother than a belt on the fan. It's definitely not as Sturdy as the Echo as the steel and overall construction aren't as solid as the Rogue. That said though, it's still an amazing air bike for the price. Absolutely.

[@morningstar8187]

Concept2 ergs aren’t even that expensive compared to other gym equipment. If they were like 5k and the knock-offs $500, I’d understand. But it’s not worth buying a fake one to save a couple hundred bucks. The authentic ones last decades. Your grandkids might be able to use it. And it’s a standardized piece of equipment. People use them for challenges and even indoor rowing competitions.

[@Kendharma]

exactly! there are still 30 year old concept rowers on the used market. Concept will outlast your rowing career.

[@dinhdatVN]

I live near China and the original Concept2 with shipping is nearly 6 times the cost compared to the locally-made knockoffs. $250 vs $1.4k. That's more than a grand I save in a place where a grand goes very, very far. I figure if I use this enough to break it, I will be able to justify spending the money on the good stuff.

[@ambachu42]

@@Kendharma I’ve got a Series A, everything is original aside from the monitor - the old one died from battery corrosion. Made in 1984 and used it today!

[@FitnessSheriff]

There is also the massive online Concept rankings data that will only ever be comparable....on a Concept Rower...standardized indeed.

[@YvesChanYou]

@@dinhdatVN I bought mine in China on the second hand market for 6000 RMB in pristine condition, instead of 8500 for a new one. Prior to that I bought one of those many knock offs of Waterrower, but the monitor was horrible so I decided to invest in the real stuff. Besides their sturdiness, Concept2 rowers will always beat their knockoffs thanks to their monitor and the ecosystem of apps that are compatible with them.

[@drrydog]

4:01 "they typically suck.. this one does." LMAO love it

[@CloaknDagger]

"I'm not a plasitcologist" hahaha I lost my shit omg you and Sam are so fucking funny together

[@binlin1402]

I just happened to have both c2 and this fake c2…Long story short, DONT BUY the FAKE C2!!because CNY I had to go back to my hometown for 1 week and then I decided to buy fake c2. I decided to return it after 5 mins rowing on it, same reason, the shock cord is so so hard, it makes the feeling so much different than the authentic one.

[@stealthassasin1day291]

People tend to overestimate their future work outs. I doubt the average person using this cheaper version will likely put out enough kms to break it.

[@apeekintime]

Usually people don't use their home gym equipment enough to break it if it is reasonably built unless it is their one piece of kit. My next pickup is going to be a rower but I doubt I'll log more than couple hours a week on it. For now a cheap belt driven bike is meeting my cardio needs and the rower will just supplement my cardio rotation and HIIT work.

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

@@apeekintime but plastic breaks off it lol. Not worth 500

[@anthonyponafala7973]

@@apeekintime yeah bro im rocking an " dp airgometer" fan bike i picked up on fb market place for $10...works fine...does what it supposed to do lmao. hell my entire gym which includes a 350lb high/low tower, smith machine with high/low pully, bench press with hig/low pully, treadmill, fan bike, rower cost me less than $300. picked up 2 sets of 310lb bar/plate sets from dicks for $250 each...so all that equipment and 500lbs of plates and 2 bars for under $800...

[@BacktotheOutdoors]

We had a Concept 2 a long time ago. The resale value is so high that after selling it, I had basically rented it for a couple hundred dollars. Investing in the Concept 2 is the way to go. If you ever sell it, you’ll have spent less money on a net basis than you would have otherwise spent if you bought the knock off and tried to resell that.

[@higherlifts420]

@@anthonyponafala7973 yea you just can't lift over 300lb or you'll bend the bar.... sounds like you have a garage full of junk

[@erik7747]

I bought an airgo 8.0 for $650 out the door brand new and it is just like this model. the plastic rollers and the foot beds are a little lower quality. the monitor is pretty good it has bluetooth for heart rate and tracks everything the concept 2 does. In 6 weeks I have fallen in love w/ this machine and what it does 2 my body! My next rower will be a concept 2 but would recommend the airgo 8.0 for the price.

[@erik7747]

I find if I wipe down aluminum rail for seat after workout and take a microfiber towel 2 the roller and keep roller clean the seat moves pretty good.

[@tobeykwe1]

I have a similar China sourced rower. You won't be able to replace the stock monitor with a PM5 since the connector's different. The China monitor also counts calories and distance wrong since it just takes the strokes and multiples it to get calories (strokes X 2) and distance (stroke X 4 or 5). The sensor coil is completely missing from the China one.

[@davidprendergast7697]

And does your damper do anything? I change the resistance on mine and feel nothing. Only difference is that the meters go up slower

[@tobeykwe1]

@@davidprendergast7697 makes the workout harder for sure (how it feels) but I don’t notice anything different about the calories or distance.

[@MarielenaSabate]

What if you replace the power generator too?

[@candlewho5837]

as a rower. I only will used concept 2 equipment or nordic track if erging solo. Having a monitor that is interactive is super helpful for me maybe its just my adhd or whatever but Nordic track and concept 2 is all you need. Much love

[@monkeyb1820]

it's a neat idea--but I think someone would be a fool to buy this (new). They are saving less than 400 bucks on something that ideally should last for years--but the murtisol will likely have random pieces on it wear out and break every few months, while the C2 is basically good as new many years later. I bought my c2 new 11 years ago, but would have no problem buying used if it looks like it is coming from a private residence. I'd be hesitant to drive far to buy one from a gym or someone that was using them for crossfit b/c those ergs are more likely to have a slightly 'ragged out' feel to them (stretched chain). But if a person is really handy with replacing parts, they should consider any fairly new model C2, imo.

[@deadapostle]

You can buy two of these for the price of a concept2, but parts were breaking on this during the video. I think you'll end up buying ten if these in the lifetime of a concept2.

[@dinhdatVN]

@@deadapostle in China, far from Concept2 manufacturer's site, they are selling these knockoffs for $250 shipped, whereas the Concept2 is $1400 shipped. Crazy I know. I know C2 is better, but are they 6 times better? IMO This is an execellent way to try out rowing, like I intend to do.

[@monkeyb1820]

@@dinhdatVN it depends on frequency of breakage and the 'feel' of the knockoff. It's likely that the c2 is 10x better b/c the C2 takes a beating with basically nothing breaking. Someone really powerful (maybe pulling like sub 1:40 for 500m) might stretch the chain a tad after a few years, but I'm not even certain about that.

[@DampRaccoon]

The overview of build quality, replacement parts, etc. was good but with the other major differentiator being the display, more in depth compassion/visual examples here would have been beneficial.

[@rodolfomedini9931]

I was curious about this as I see them time to time.. Can you do a follow up on the concept bikeerg clone?

[@mattstankiewitch54]

Concept2 Rowers are the gold standard in the indoor rowing community. Good review.

[@Motrunk]

Like the review. In this case I’m gonna save up for the real thing. Thanks for sharing.

[@herrp8765]

I've had my model D since 2013. Just under 16 million meters and counting. The only "maintenance" is an occasional oiling of the chain. Otherwise it's by far the best $899 I ever spent. I've bought a lot of bicycles, but this is my solid go-to. Go to your local gym, try out a Concept 2, then spend the money and treat your body right. Happy rowing.

[@herrp8765]

@@audiblefart6211 Yes it was! Great investment.

[@herrp8765]

@@audiblefart6211 And I got $700 for it a few months ago when I sold it. After 4-5 days a week on it.

[@ExpeditionaryRanger]

If you can afford 500 + repairs and hassle over time, you can afford 1000 (not sure the exact costs now). I have a C2 with over 1.5 million meters. Not an issue. Not one. The fact that this is falling apart already does not make it worth it. Not only is the C2 the std in crossfit, it's the std across the globe for all amateur and elite rowing crews, Olympics included. It's one of the most perfectly engineered and designed machines, not just in fitness equipment, but as a consumer product overall. I can't see how anyone would ever regret buying a C2, unless they got it, refused to learn proper technique, and hurt themselves in the process. The only other erg that seems to be prevalent in the serious competition rowing crowd is the RP3 dynamic. It's a lot less reliable, but crews use it for that closer to the in boat feeling. And, twice or three times the price of a C2 I believe. If you could only have one piece of fitness kit for the rest of your life to maintain general strength and cardiovascular health, all you need is C2 rowerg. Period.

[@jamesmiller8030]

Plus you throw less money a country who is threatening us and uses semi slave labor to build. Buy the concept, support american engineering.

[@c_hopchuck.3261]

I paid 1600$ with tax shipping and a few accessories, still very happy with my purchase

[@BGing_Foodie]

Not sure how it compares with the RP3 dynamic, but you can also put the C2 on sliders to get closer to an in-boat feeling. C2 used to sell a dynamic version of their erg for $1250, but it's not available right now. Not sure if it's been discontinued forever, or just during the pandemic to better meet the demand of the regular C2.

[@Nightbird.]

C2 is overpriced..plain and simple. Look at the damn thing. It's not rocket science. And there are plenty of copy-cat rowers that are built just as well as the C2..even though the one in this video isn't. To say everyone can afford to spend over $1k on a rower is privileged elitism and total bullshit. Reality check, please.

[@Nightbird.]

@@jamesmiller8030 And your computer and/or smartphone were built using that same "semi slave labor" along with all your clothes and every other electronic piece of equipment in your home. Made in America doesn't mean shit if American's can't afford it. And most can't afford spending over a $1k dollars on a simple rower whose design has changed in decades. It's priced so high due to greed..not quality. And most of us know it.

[@atothegee9943]

Definitely love to see a ski erg comparison too!

[@py1te]

Purchased a Row Warrior that is another Concept 2 rower clone. Looks great but that’s about it. Unless my unit is defective, there’s zero discernible difference in resistance/tension between levels 1-10. Returned it and ponied up for a Concept 2.

[@andyobrienAOBSS]

Leave the handle on the rest holder and you stretch the shock chord cutting the life of the shock chord considerably. Always return the handle to the monitor stand when not in use. The erg will maintain its original feel much longer.

[@johnathankrage83]

Thanks for the tip! I just ordered the concept 2 so I'll do that!

[@wp8767]

This is some internet myth repeated BS nonsense. I've seen rowing team C2's with 20 million plus meters on the original shock cords and they still return all the way to the chain guard just fine after the handles were always put in the rest hook. Plus shock cords are a whopping 12 bucks from Concept and take 15 minutes to replace...

[@andyobrienAOBSS]

As someone who has rowed for over 4 decades and rowed on C2 ergs for nearly as long this is not only an internet myth but is a deeply ingrained concept in the rowing community. It is a rule that the handle needs to be returned to the monitor stand after every row at nearly every boat house and rowing program. Anecdotally I can say that as a former rowing coach in a High School program that received many donated machines the handles that were stored in the rest holder usually needed a shock chord replacement. Again anecdotally my local gym purchases a C2 erg every few years. The members return the handle to the rest holder only; on a new erg in a matter of months the erg begins to loose resistance at the start of the drive.

[@a23gc]

I have the Murtisol I bought cheap on OfferUp. It was almost new, but Had to replace the footrests and straps from Concept as the old ones cracked after a month of use. The computer only registers about half of the distance, so that was pain to figure out. It does the job though.

[@ianderso426]

Do you know if it’s really possible to swap out the monitor with one from C2?

[@a23gc]

@@ianderso426 I’m not sure. I’d be interested to find out as well. I’m not sure how accurate it would be with the hardware.

[@Na-by3if]

Do more low budget cap stuff

[@alexlinton1252]

Wouldn't it make sense to wait an extra month or two to save for the Concept 2 when you're already spending $530 for the knockoff?

[@avinashtyagi2]

Sure, if you're in such a situation, but say you got the $530 as a gift, and won't be getting enough to afford a C2 any time soon

[@calumsimpkins2554]

@@avinashtyagi2 if you got it as a gift thats a different story but personally saving i would wait an extra few months..... im currently saving up for mag grips in the UK the set of 7 is £850 but can get ones simular on amazon for £199 but want the proper ones its annoying just a mind thing I suppose

[@bipennate]

Interviewer: "It says here on your resume that you are a plasticologist. Very impressive." Coop: ...ummm...

[@jaydenjd]

I have been servicing gym equipment for over 13+ yrs and have come across some original bone stock Concept 2 rowers from 1998/2003 with original/chains/bearings and everything untouched aside from batteries in the console👌👌

[@Papa.BearOz]

Rogue. Rep. And titan are the three top companies for home gym equipment. How about reviews on other company’s equipment like: American Barbell - barbells and knurling Vulcan strength Force USA - smith machines, ghd Valor Fitness - special machines Griffin Fitness - compare contrast to rep Fringe Sport - barbells Wright Equipment - plates Get Rx’d - single column pulley tower Bells of steel - combo ghd/rev hyper Giant Lifting - specialty bars

[@amunra4256]

Seconded. I enjoy the videos being made and watch virtually all of them, but I'd definitely love to see reviews for products from other brands

[@taylorhill8001]

Concept rowers are fairly well priced for such a useful and sturdy piece of equipment.

[@monkeyb1820]

total bargain considering the quality. And they've been the same price for over 10 years, which is unheard of (without any sacrifice to quality).

[@IamMrDisaster]

C2's are one of the best values in exercise equipment already. The only way to go cheaper is sacrificing durability.

[@jhanphillipco]

SRP in US is fairly price but when shipped overseas, it doubles.

[@IamMrDisaster]

@@jhanphillipco Ouch.

[@herrp8765]

Definitely. Besides using small container of chain oil and wiping down the rail, there's no maintenance and they are rock solid.

[@davidprendergast7697]

Coop! I bought this rower and you are right, the monitor sucks! The other thing that really confused me is that it's damper ......doesn't do anything really. There is no increase in resistance when you move it, maybe it's just my model but I wonder did you (or your camera man!) notice this? You really feel it in the concept 2 but on this rower I can barely tell.

[@WarpandXeno88]

Ordered a concept 2 today because I want the real thing! I have had two cheap rowers and NEITHER were as good as a C2. My opinion is the C2 is a better machine that ANY rower on the market and if you are going to row with serious dedication--get the best machine. I have seen C2s at the gym get used, abused, and even misused and they keep on going. Other than being on the water the fricking thing is perfect!

[@SR104]

If you are following a gym programme that prescribes specific cals/distance etc. then you have to get a C2 as replicas have different algorithms

[@thomascray]

I kept waiting for you to elaborate on why the monitor isn't as good...

[@allenblack2049]

you should make an update video on this rower to see how it’s held up and maybe compare to the new BoS blitz rower. love the content you put out!

[@rohanlady4]

I'm on the verge of buying a Concept 2 rower for my family. I used it at the gym today and did 1500 meters at the start of my workout and another 1000 at the end of my workout. Since I have a very large son and a very large daughter who have expressed interest in using it as well, the weight limit of 500 lbs is a huge deciding factor for me.

[@thebard20]

Jujimufu once said his buying philosophy is either buy the cheapest thing possible and replace as needed when it wears out or buy the best possible and keep forever, but avoid the mid tier completely. I'd like to know what coop thinks of that and whether he would prefer this mid tier rower over another one that is perhaps half its price? Slightly separate point but I wonder how many people who can afford a c2 are going to this knock off to save money - i imagine it's a lot of people in the lower budget spending another 150-200 for the hope of much higher quality. Good video really enjoyed it as usual

[@edgarsanchez5806]

You should do another video of the copy rower after 6-8 months of use. I bet that is when you really see the difference and the value of a Concept2 rower.

[@davidprendergast7697]

I have the cheap rower a yr now and it's still working great! My only annoyance is the monitor. If anyone could figure out how to stick the concept monitor on one of these that would be incredible

[@marce.strong]

​@@davidprendergast7697 could you find out?

[@davidprendergast7697]

@@marce.strong I could not sadly!

[@charliesmith5189]

Interesting that you review “and test” the rower without even showing one complete row. Maybe it “looks” similar, but how does it perform over an hour long workout? Does it maintain a consistent feel? You also say the monitor is poor, but don’t really show the display, any functionality, etc. As you probably can tell, I’m a Concept 2 advocate. I’m a believer in spending a bit extra for quality, and the Concept 2 rower is a favorite of mine.

[@nickmondo222]

exactly Charlie! he did not even test them. Useless.

[@scottcharlton129]

Valuable, as always. Thanks Coop!

[@mariacheguitarist]

Hi .. I just wanna ask one thing .. can I place a pm5 monitor on this .. ? I have a copy like this and I want to place a pm5 monitor on this ??? Please reply ??

[@masanchezl]

Did you try the pm5 monitor on the fake concep2? Scores the same distance, cals? I mean you can improve a cheap rower machine with pm5?

[@marce.strong]

Great idea!

[@studio500]

Would be great if you can do a thorough review of Jammer Arms from REP and TITAN as they are comparable. Jammer Arms are the closest you can get to having a machine like movement at home gym but there's limited videos on it. Thank you!

[@richardmather1906]

I don't think the comparison should be this versus a C2. It is this versus whatever else you can get for the same money. And it sounds like this one may hold its own pretty well at that price point.

[@FullJikama]

They compared it because of the design look almost the same

[@bigk2080]

I spent 600 on an Amazon water rower 2 yrs ago and I have zero complaints.

[@joecowan3719]

Will you be doing a review on the Sorinex P3 GHD? Looks like a good price point and size for home gyms.

[@billcarrington5289]

The Concept 2 is one of the best values I’ve ever seen especially in fitness equipment most of which seems generally overpriced to me. It’s so well designed and constructed it could literally last a lifetime. For all that I have to add Concept 2 customer service is unquestionably the best I’ve ever dealt with. Real humans answer the phones and connect you with other real humans that actually understand problems because the product has been around so long they’ve seen everything. They have a record of my purchase and my name and can reference any thing that has happened previously, it’s like they actually know me when I talk to them. Finally their monitor also seems the best of the several I’ve seen, the basic stuff is accurate, easy to access and synchs easily with an online logbook to monitor everything. Pretty high on the list of best money I’ve ever spent

[@nicklung5113]

Is that the new REP trap bar I see in the background!? Really looking forward to your review on that product Coop!

[@Useruytrw]

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[@twistedbarbell3950]

Plasticologist - LOL! As the saying goes, you get what you pay for and cutting corners usually comes back to bite you in the butt! Thanks for demonstrating the risks with considering the knockoffs.

[@jamesb9891]

I bought a knockoff concept2 from a local fitness equipment liquidator about a year ago when stuff was harder to find. It was branded as their house rower. The main difference (compared to C2) that made me return it was that it didnt read distance while "coasting" it only recorded distance of the pull. Curious if the model you reviewed had the same issue... Im assuming these clones are made in the same factory as each other and just rebranded differently.

[@FriendlyCleaningKC]

My knock off, the monitor lasted one day, im going to take coops idea and order a real concept 2 monitor and put it on

[@barrymcgrath1126]

@@FriendlyCleaningKC how did this work out? Considering doing the same.

[@FriendlyCleaningKC]

Not great, the wiring doesn’t just plug in.., so I had to order a new generator and it still doesn’t communicate with the monitor… may have to get a new flywheel too… so yeah, I wouldn’t recommend it

[@ianderso426]

@@FriendlyCleaningKC thanks for this. I was suspicious it wouldn’t be as simple as Coop made it out to be

[@CaptainStonks]

@@FriendlyCleaningKC Hi, just curious how this turned out for you as I may have to do the same to mine. Did you buy a new flywheel as well? Thanks!

[@FIX4GYM]

the problem is not in cheap plastic, or rather not only in it! the flywheel is made of plastic, while in the original it is made of metal. because of this difference in weight. also because of the plastic flywheel, there is no resistance when rowing

[@Noname304y2u2]

Gym's are constantly going out of business or replacing equipment and since most of them use Concept2 rowers I'm fairly sure you can find a used one near you for about 500 dollars. Considering they sell parts on there site that seems like the absolute best option.

[@javieriribe8699]

I like these type of videos. Next one a budget air dyne bike?

[@andychow5509]

$538? The Concept 2 is $900. I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy the inferior one. The C2 also now syncs with bluetooth to your phone so you always have a log of your workouts with a lot of very accurate data. I guess you could buy the PM5 computer, but that's $160. At that point it's a $200 difference between both and one has cheap plastic rollers and inferior rope, inferior everything, including resale. It absolutely makes no sense to go any way except C2. If you can't afford it, wait.

[@amunra4256]

This is one instance in which I definitely would not buy the cheap knock-off. Just my opinion, and of course everyone has their own. I would definitely have less motivation to do cardio if using a cheap knock-off, and I hate cardio, so I need all of the motivation I can get there lol

[@lukea2806]

Sounds like Coop is just mad at Sam for not listening to him 😂

[@garymacmillan6401]

I bought a Concept 2 for £650, used it for 3 years then sold it for £600.

[@OWPhD]

Props on the AG hoodie. Best made and all I wear.

[@malugueant5961]

Row Warrior rowing machine is awesome alternative to concept 2 and price is about $660 so why pay more ??? It a Texas Startup and they have 5 years support including parts replacement. Their customer support is also really good. Highly suggest Row Warrior Rowing Machine if you cannot afford concept 2

[@mellocello187]

The C2 lets you compare your times with anyone else on a C2. You could train for CRASHBs with solid intel.

[@StonedRambo01]

Damn Coop..... 1:19 You keeping some Big Macs warm on that dumbbell rack back there??

[@chrisdunford9711]

Hey man , not sure if you do a lot of these sorts of videos , but right now I am a bit torn between saving up for a rogue dogsled the model that's 103 lb's 4 posts and modular . Or buying a cheaper one , I'm in Canada rogue will be over 500.00 before shipping . I have a small dedicated space my own , I've given up on gyms a 100 % , cash is tight even though my workout space is a priority so many other things come first . But I've decided a good dog sled needs to be a part of my home gym , any suggestions ? Or your opinion ?

[@veterancustomwoodworx9858]

Yeah man. The Snode or the Krato! Very similar to Nuobell

[@ballattacker3]

Hey Coop can we get a review on the Versa Climber? Just asking for the community. Especially after seeing Gunnar’s amazing editions to his.

[@tomcrandall3582]

Resale resale resale. Concept 2's tend to hold their value over time. I do think that C2 needs to up their game with the monitor IMO.

[@chadbogner4621]

It sure was a major factor in buying a new one myself last month. Facebook marketplace I never seen one under $800 and that one had nearly 1 million kms on it. Sold in a day. Most were $900 some only had less than 2 hours. All sale here in under a day but the new one shipped direct was just under 1k.

[@paulthorade6977]

I bought a RT Rowertrain, and I paid 630 dollars. It is an identical knock off of the Concept, with some slight differences. First, my Rower is quite a bit heavier than the Concept. Secondly, the monitor. It's the monitor that makes me wish I had waited to buy a Concept. When I was looking it was impossible to get a Concept. They were on back order with Concept and Rogue fitness and I just didn't want to wait. But not wanting to wait, was a mistake. My seat is more comfortable then the Concept, and because of the weight it's not prone to any kind of movement when someone gets on it who knows nothing about rowing. Yet they get on it and they go like a bat out of hell, but the machine stays put. The positives of this machine do not make up for the negative. The negative comes down to the monitor, and the monitor on the RowerTrain is complete garbage. Do yourself a favor, any of you who are thinking about buying, wait till you have the money for a Concept rower. You will be glad you waited because the monitors on these knockoffs are garbage!!!! When you get a Rower, make sure you get on the KZbin channels of DarkHorse Rowing and Training Tall, these two guys were college rowers and are the best at explaining proper technique and GREAT follow along videos.

[@ChanNaFUn]

In fact, a counterfeit sells for only 1/7 of the original in its country of origin, with no tax. And it's more stable than you think.

[@richards6431]

If someone is looking to make a simple lifestyle change they should buy a couple pairs of $100 running shoes and go for a walk/jog three to four times a week for 20-30 mins. After doing that for say 6 months to a year they can then decide if they want to buy cardio equipment.

[@martinpata2899]

Or go to a gym and use that cardio equipment for sometime before buying it

[@MalcomMcLeod]

Can you do a review of the Snode adjustable dumbbells?

[@zg4705]

Barbells... Vast majority of us do not need and will not notice the difference between the best of the best Rogue and Eleiko barbells and a lower tier barbell company like Bear or whatever. That doesn't mean you should buy a cheap knockoff, because a good barbell is the most important part of a home gym, it simply means that your money is better off getting a more economic bar.

[@micheleybarra6253]

Hey Coop, have you tested the Titan MAGNETIC RESISTANCE ROWING FITNESS MACHINE W/ LCD SCREEN? Curious about it's performance, quality, etc.

[@richarddeblaquiere8443]

It's hard to pass up on something so proven as the C2 rower. What is such a high level of known durability, community, and trust worth? I'm sure more than the difference in price even for the casual rower. While it's good to have this information and "debate" I really don't feel this is even close. This is true for so many things in life but rarely is it this obvious when you have so many high level people using for so long. I have had a C2 Rowerg for just under a year but was inspired to buy because my aunt has one that feels just as good but has to be around 20 years old. I don't even want to go down the path of the concept of trying to support the most local company which this country has forgotten but will probably be forced to remember when we realize that putting our reliance on some foreign entities wasn't a good idea. Amazon doesn't care about that, though.

[@coggieskaz7115]

I use the concept 2 at the gym so I don't think I could tolerate the issues mentioned here on the cheaper one.

[@sebastianek23]

Once I bought and tested fake fleshlight...long story short...got a rash, ER visit..but they managed to save my 'best friend'...My advice just get the real thing :)

[@mediamayhemmoments]

Simple economics is that you can buy the C2 for £1000 use it for 5 years and sell it easily for £750. Therefore cost of rowing the best rower on the market for 5 years is £250 (or £50 a year). It's a no brainer to just go C2. Great review!

[@nicholashale6620]

This is why accountants think so little of economists: They play in pretend land with "theory money" and accountants can only deal in real dollars. The cost is what you have to hand over to acquire, period. You can't discount a *potential* future sale, which you do not know the proceeds of, against the current real dollar cost. If you can't lease a C2 for $50/yr, or buy one for $250, then that is not the cost of ownership. The cost of ownership is what you paid to acquire. If you can offset that later with a sale, cool, but it doesn't change your cost today, or even then, you just managed a "gain on sale" when disposing of an asset (which is awesome).

[@mellocello187]

@@nicholashale6620You’re taking about the cost of purchasing. People citing resale value are basing it on real market prices.

[@michaeldalinis8432]

Not at all related to rowers, but I was wondering what's your take on leverage gyms? I was considering selling my power rack and using the funds to invest in a plate loaded leverage gym.

[@jhanphillipco]

I'd buy Concept 2 rower for 1000 vs the 500 cheaper version. But sad to say that Concept 2 rower here in our country sells around 1600 to 2000 usd. Bummer. So ill stick to the cheaper jow and maybe if there's a distributor that sells close to the price is US, I will get one.

[@SarahJonestoo]

Great review. Thank you

[@CockneyEastwood]

Be nice to see it in action and I’m not sure but based on other reviews of fitness equipment I think some people tend to use the machine to show how it operates ? Dunno 🤷‍♂️ might just be me

[@jubbyju]

This chinese knockoff rower is version 1.0. The bad reviews tell them what to fix and within a few months they will have a v2.0 that rivals the C2. Hundreds of items on Amazon sold from china have similar tactics, and as the chinese make adjustments and update releases, the reviews improve as the quality improves. I suspect this was a rushed engineered product to make some quick cash while producing the updated version. Wait till Fall 2022 and then do a re-test the their new rower (probably launched under a different name if the reviews on this rower are bad).

[@T3chnoJunk13]

I would probably change out the main components that makes sense per dollar to get the same feel. It won't cost a lot.🤷‍♂

[@jasonludwick3504]

Got my beautiful C2 off craigslist for 200$ it was practically new. Couldn't believe it!!!

[@DeanCulver17]

This man has under cabinet lighting for his weight racks. And I want to be like this man.

[@KamenRider000]

Coop when are you showing your dumbler standard prototype?

[@ShawnJernigan-f7n]

Do you think an concept 2 controller would work on one these overseas units? I have an opportunity to pick a friends unit up extremally cheap. It is an Amazon that looks exactly the same as the one you demonstrated in the video, but a different brand, The unit was hardly used, and they are moving to small place and want to dump it. I would like to buy it, and then install Concept 2 controller on it if possible. Just want to know if you think it is actually possible to that without serious modifications. Thank you in advance.

[@Rich_Lahman]

Let’s see how much money “Sam” is going to put into that knockoff rower with Concept2 parts. Bets are open!

[@mariomontecillo2748]

Hope you can make a review of the HEKA 90lbs adjustable dumbbells with hexagon shaped metal plates. Thanks

[@tonystyles21]

Review the 2 in 1 rower sitting and standing rower

[@ericmorgan5813]

Can you please review the titan fitness plate loaded functional trainer

[@-that_guy-1674]

not gonna lie ima bite the bullet. ima buy once and cry once and get the concept 2.

[@markatkinson8282]

Have you done a comparison of the knock off endless ropes from Alibaba etc yet?

[@grahamfenwick7898]

Have you heard of the Metis rowering machine, if so what do you think, it looks exactly like the concept 2,however looks can be deceiving.

[@crossbowhunter9118]

Please do a review of the new eco rower. And flip sleds from rouge. They both look so cool

[@atimholt]

I do wonder how accurate the P5 monitor would be if you retrofitted it onto that one, though.