M4 vs AK47; which is deadlier?

[@CivilianTactical]

After close observation I noticed something. I think they would both be extremely painful and might even kill.

[@mytwentyfirstreasonnn]

very insightful my friend

[@ratgobbler]

No, I’d bet they’d just bounce off.

[@KevinLambertperfected]

Your bullet...... .... It Will keeeel.

[@docferringer]

AK-47s are also able to fire underwater and full of sand. Some would claim that they also fire under sand and full of water, but that sounds like a western lie. Such conditions only exist while taking fire in the rain and within a foxhole/on the ground, a common thing for cowardly, NATO troops. Russians have no need of cover! The only time sand and water may approach a russian weapon is when our Babushka rises from the grave and pours vodka down our throats!

[@potatoes_yumm]

1.5m and no verification mark? Come on youtube!

[@fell9654]

The hot table is clearly the deadliest because it is doing the most damage to the ballistics gel

[@It-b-Blair]

😂😂😂

[@theartefactum]

😂 I also noticed this suffering melting...

[@shovelhead2155]

😅😅😅

[@justjonazjameson5559]

Tables are dangerous! That is why Scott kills them before they can melt innocent people!

[@jeremyp5210]

Ever hear melted ballistic gel gettin rolled around on a hot table and think man.... I should call her?

[@strongerthangokusupermanba9981]

The 5.56 round that destroyed the head was because of the extended magazine that let's you shoot a 50 caliber clip per bullet and that Lazer makes sure you never miss.

[@TheMopar97]

Brandon said so

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

Wow you're right. If they made the gun out of wood that would have never happened.

[@pelicanbeak5884]

The laser pre heats the body causing it to be more susceptible to ghost rounds massive damage. Stay safe

[@DavidWilliams-ig5ec]

Fortunately, no "shoulder thingy that goes up." Otherwise, super deadly.

[@chad_8313]

GarandThumb actually dumped an entire 30 caliber clip in half a second.

[@nopenope7777]

I love that you get a special forces AR vs a barebones AK. It feels like the literal definition of each gun lol

[@squidy4082]

Modularity yeah

[@samuelw4492]

Ar is easier to mod in the US

[@squidy4082]

@@samuelw4492 still better for modularity

[@samuelw4492]

@@squidy4082 yea like I said it’s easier to MOD in the US

[@Hole_Motorsports]

The only thing that matters for this test is the barrel anyways

[@Kevin-z4s8r]

In my experience, neither are deadly, the only truly deadly caliber I have ever encountered was the 9mm, it had the power to blow the lung out of the body, meanwhile, the AK47 and M4A1 only inflict flesh wounds. EDIT: Guys its just a stupid joke, your taking me way to seriously.

[@mfreed40k]

Don't forget the 50 caliber which can take out helicopters and jets.

[@jmkhenka]

And replace the FMJ with a softpoint 55gr bullet, and it will do the same. 9mm is anemic compared to even intermediate cartirdges for rifles..

[@kj3n569]

But an AR-14 weighs as much as 9 moving boxes. If you drop that on yo foot you gunna die!

[@YumiiSauce]

​@@kj3n569yes but that is a self inflicted wound via being a right wing nazi dog whistle. the 9mm weighs just about nothing and has the punch of a semi truck

[@Caryll_byrgenwerth-scholar]

Bowing the lungs out is but a flesh wound. 45 ACP does not just inflict flesh wounds, but destroys the soul, assuring that your enemies do not come back as undead.

[@tmac5972]

After watching this, it just confirms what I have always believed : I don't want to get hit with either round!

[@chadleywinnets]

SCIENCE

[@EricLing64]

Yeah at the end of the day it's all about setting up the situation so you're more likely to send your round into your enemy's body, while not receiving theirs. So many other factors determine that.

[@Christoph-sd3zi]

I would still rather get shot than stabbed

[@mrscoot595]

@@Christoph-sd3ziwhat if u got shot by a knife?

[@XiaOmegaX]

Even getting hit by a 22 is gonna take you off the playing board.

[@Timberland1963]

Either round is going to be painful or worse than painful but what really hurts is not seeing Charlie in a video for such a long time.

[@snicklefritzd3612]

I disagree. I miss when it was just GT. Charlie has his own channel.

[@vipe650r]

I agree.

[@aaa3d473]

@@snicklefritzd3612facts. He’s really not that funny

[@josephjones1232]

​@@aaa3d473both of y'all must be fun at parties...

[@Seelenschmiede]

Nah, please keep him off. He's just annoying...

[@BradyBaker-t7b]

Dummy: falls in half Him: appears to be a pretty devastating wound

[@newheadstart]

Lol

[@billytodak3595]

I love how you guys just sit down at the end of every video and just have a meaningful conversation. Quite possibly my favorite part about you guys.

[@joebenson528]

The neocon globalists at NATO should be more willing to sit down instead of blowing up German shared pipelines. Then maybe the world world be at peace.

[@reallymentalpig1173]

I find it a waste of time

[@doesntmatter4477]

So he is the way he is precisely because he finds their conversations at the ends of videos a waste of time? Lol wut

[@oldesertguy9616]

I read a book by an Army surgeon in Vietnam, talking specifically about the wounds he treated by different calibers. He pointed out the 5.56 didn't do much damage, UNLESS it hit something hard, like bone or equipment. At that point it became devastating. I attended an autopsy where a guy was shot by one of our officers (after he had murdered his girlfriend). The bullet that initially hit his arm struck bone, and it looked like someone had put a grenade in his tricep. His tricep was basically gone. That was with a standard 55 gr. fmj.

[@elmateo77]

From this and other testing I've seen, it looks like modern hollowpoints are much better at dumping energy quickly in a soft target.

[@bravo_cj]

Well, I guess that has something to do with the engaging distances and the specific ammunition. Typically at high velocities, the 556 will basically explode in a pretty short distance when it impacts. The fact that the Russians very quickly made the 545 to replace 762*39 really shows how effective smaller caliber rounds can be. Besides, if my memory is correct, the Viet Cons were actually surprised by the devastating damage done by 556, the very teeny tiny round.

[@oxide9679]

Sounds like a certain Gaige Grosskreutz. 🤣

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

good thing it wasn't a AK he would have lost his arm 😮

[@fakename287]

​@@DANTHETUBEMANlmao

[@LARPeratorsAnonymous]

This made me curious, it would be cool to see hits on ballistics dummies at 100, 200, 300, 400, etc with different calibers and rounds. Dope videos as always!

[@whiterabit09]

Awesome name 🤣

[@scratchy996]

I think AR 15 vs AK 74 would be a more relevant test, considering what's happening right now.

[@-Zevin-]

@@scratchy996 To be fair they did test 5.45 a while back, and it just outperforms 5.56. I'm a 5.56 guy myself and there is great modern 5.56 ammo and living in the US it makes sense, my AK is even in 5.56. It's not that 5.56 is bad, it's just 5.45 is exceptionally good. Because of the long bullet and hollow nose with steel core it yaws consistently at almost all ranges, this causes much greater wounding potential. It's why people have called it the magic or poison bullet, you can get shot in the leg with 5.45 and have the bullet exit your neck because of the wild yaw.

[@user-bp2ij4zr6m]

I had the same curious thoughts as per the actual effective ranges.

[@stevecade857]

Throw in a bit of body armour to start as well.

[@Liftrunshoot727]

Tac medic here: since you mentioned it and didn’t expand I thought I would 🤷🏻‍♂️. Tension pneumothorax, commonly known as collapsed lung is a form of obstructive shock when air gathers in the pleural cavity and builds pressure against the lung, which can prevent expansion of the lung. As the pressure builds more it will apply pressure the heart and cause a shift in the mediastinum, kinking the vena cava and dropping the preload of the heart, which will eventually prevent the next heart beat and the casualty will die if not recognized and treated rapidly. Commonly caused by penetrating or blunt force trauma to the chest cavity. Recognition: blunt force or penetrating trauma to the chest, diminished or absent lung sounds on the affected side, progressive shortness of breath, altered mental status, tracheal deviation, unequal chest rise and fall, decreased spo2. Treatment: seal penetrating trauma with chest seals (check for and seal exit wound), needle decompression at the 2nd intercostal space mid clavicular or 5th intercostal space mid axillary, finger thoracostomy, chest tube. Hope that helps someone.

[@judjudersawn2596]

Also jugar venous distension is a good sign. Also he said pneumothorax was blood in the chest cavity. I think he meant hemothorax.

[@armandomora8842]

Good breakdown 🫡

[@JustAdude291]

Tension pneumo is a complication of a pneumo. The patho is the same in which there is a buildup of air in the pleural cavity between the lung and chest wall, which disrupts negative intrapleural pressure and causes the lung to collapse. Tension pneumo is the complication in which there is so much air buildup/pressure it causes hemodynamic instability/shock, respiratory distress, and exerts pressure on surrounding organs and tissues. Chest tubes with a water seal are commonly used because it restores negative intrapleural pressure and uses gravity suction to pull out air/drainage and allows the lung to re-expand

[@JustAdude291]

@@judjudersawn2596 youre right and you can have both simultaneously called a hemopneumothorax. Common in traumatic chest injuries

[@WhatLiesAwaitUS]

Huh, wait a minute. Ok so.....uhm, wait say that again! Jk

[@grumpyd7569]

You guys should put something over the gel so it gets some shade so it doesn't melt in the sun. The black table you are using heats up also through the clear gel. The gel is soft after heating up in the sun which may cause inacurate data. A white table should help keep the gel cooler also.

[@popegregoryiv916]

My thoughts exactly.

[@blakekenley1000]

Yeah. But pink mist.

[@ExplosiveFetus]

As long as they're comparing rounds at the same time and the gel temperature doesn't change between testing the 5.56 and the 7.62 it's still a valid way to compare.

[@eriklarson9137]

Imagine thinking they don't know that. Lol.

[@Monkey45983]

@@eriklarson9137what did you get out of this comment? Like seriously it’s a recommendation bc the gel was melting no need to look for an argument.

[@matthewconnor5483]

What often gets missed is that the vast majority of shooting is at unknown distances and is suppressive fire. That favors flatter shooting rounds and more capacity for a given weight. The Russians saw what the m16 did and went to the ak-74 for a reason.

[@phillipnichols4125]

I never thought about it quite that way. Solid point.

[@two23rem]

True, but the Russians never did anything to improve the accuracy of the delivery system until as of late.

[@brettkelly5894]

Give me 7.62x39 anyday I'm not going past 500 yards

[@matthewconnor5483]

@@two23rem The Russians really did a missed a lot of opportunities for force multiplying accessories like optics on their rifles. Even something like the ACOG is a huge benefit to have for the average line unit. Unfortunately the AKs layout doesn't lend itself to upgrades or modular systems the same way the M4 and M16 do. Also the gas piston is going to be at a bit of a disadvantage for accuracy simply because the amount of mass moving back and forth. The Russians also never put a lot of r&d into better barrels. AKs are notorious for being out of concentricity in other manufacturing defects.

[@hackxy1165]

good point but you are also more accurate with a 556 platform, more accurate shots not because of the gun but the recoil, 556 you can more accurately put rounds down range vs a ak-74 but the ak-74 (if maintained right) will be more accurate not considering recoil, its kinda a vice versa and maybe comes down to preference or the situation

[@HelplessTeno]

I think the fact that this debate has been going on for over 50 years goes to show it's hard to go wrong with either (when you don't consider import bans)

[@The_SmorgMan]

Yeah… most of us aren’t skilled enough to make the differences matter. I’m guessing most of us haven’t been in gunfights to even visualize and appreciate the differences.

[@Haisecooked]

Starting from the Vietname War

[@static7415]

PSA makes good ak American aks

[@kuessebrama]

I like both guns and the difference if it comes to beeing deadly as not so big that you would have real advantages during a fight and for normal fighting distances the accuracy of both is good, 5.56 has maybe a slightly longer "effective range" but like i said in a fight so normaly in the 50-150 yards range, maybe 300 they are both good and if it goes further they both loose massive on performance and it would not be practical to fight with a enemie wich is like 500 yars away with assault rifles, because you would probably not hit anyone really in such a situation.

[@Goorood]

For post apocalyptic World i'd pick an AK-74 over those 2 no questions asked. Smaller 5.45x39 round, can carry more bullets, low recoil and just as reliable as AK-47 or AKM, and no need to keep it clean like M4. Perfection. 👌

[@mananaVesta]

I love how in these comparisons by Americans, the AR is always kitted out with optics, lasers and all the latest bells and whistles, and the AK looks like it just dropped off the assembly line in 1961.

[@RobertSanchez-c5i]

That's part of the point the M4 can be modded to anything you need while the AK cannot

[@cosinesinetangent7440]

Probably because the ak isn't that modular and most guys aren't ak fiends so they probably got it for the video And personally AK's are pretty lame

[@mananaVesta]

@@RobertSanchez-c5i Yeah right, you can't put anything on an AK. You have to run it like you bought it because - reasons.

[@thomasj.8081]

@@cosinesinetangent7440 >rail adapter >modernized variants featuring pic rails and mlok "ak isn't that modular"

[@928pcar]

@@RobertSanchez-c5iweird, my SAM7 is kitted out to the extreme. Looks much better than M4s and shoots a much deadlier round

[@CranjisMcBasketballMD]

I own and love both the AR and 7.62x39 AK platforms equally, and this video does a nice job of showcasing their different strengths. The 7.62 AK really continues to shine at what it was originally designed for, 2-300m engagements and under as it was originally fielded as a sub gun replacement for the soviets. It’s increased delivery of energy and barrier/brush penetration sub 300m Vs the 5.56, as well as ability to run for 10s of thousands of rounds with virtually zero maintenance or parts replacement make it an extremely effective carbine for its intended purpose 3/4 of a century later. The 5.56 AR really shines in its wide variety of rounds for different purposes and it’s ability to really outclass the 7.62 once you begin approach 300m and beyond, and of course the modern day AR is no slouch when it comes to reliability either. Both carbines remain fantastic performers for their intended roles, and it’s why I usually alternate between them each range day.

[@srmse.]

Amen

[@ds6872]

Don't forget the AR can be repaired/reconfigured in minutes with simple hand tools

[@dryciderz]

​@ds6872 this is true but a basic field strip and cleaning can be done with an AK in a few minutes and there aren't any small parts to lose

[@dryciderz]

Both rifles are fantastic, I totally agree. If I had to chose one it would be AK mostly because of the round. I trust it more against other mammals I might have the fortune or misfortune of meeting in the wild. I'm not talking combat, because in that case I'd rather have whatever I could get resupplied with.

[@mattg6282]

Damn, that was perfectly said! You have gained a like from me good sir 👏🏻

[@Osiedlowy_Platacz]

During my basic training I graduated my rifleman specialization with the AKM. What a lovely rifle! Very accurate up to 300m, but after that it becomes kinda difficult due to the recoil and slow round. However, it feels very good to shoot it, like you can tell it was made for war, not for piercing paper. After tranisition to 5,56 platform it felt like having a toy. It was much easier to handle the 5,56 when you are already good with the AKM.

[@sterlingcampbell2116]

Doesn't matter what it feels like. What matters is effectiveness. I can pit three rounds on target for every two rounds of 7.62. Plus 556 has bastly superior penetration. To say nothing of lethality past 300 yards being far, far superior

[@justsayin7937]

​@@sterlingcampbell2116😂 please dont.

[@BlueSkooma]

@@sterlingcampbell2116 If there is a disparity between cailbers then that just means your a bad shot lol

[@kuessebrama]

@@BlueSkooma you are right.

[@kuessebrama]

@@sterlingcampbell2116 both calibres are not really good past 300 yards, this rifles are not made to fight past 200-300 yards. I can hit with 7,62 as good as with 5.56, the max range if it comes to precision is a bit higher for 5.56 but in generell that would not matter in a fight because fights with assaultrifles are normally at max. ranges of 100-200 yards, most of the time under 100 yards, so the slightly higher range of the 5.56 does not really matter, except you are on the range and want a bit more range to shoot, but if you want that you are better of with a different calibre.

[@zskinner3235]

Ignorance about firearms is the deadliest.

[@Aeroshogun]

This is what the left specializes in.

[@Aeroshogun]

@@zakwilliams6236 that “boomer” is right.

[@michaelalbert6421]

ACTS & PROVE my guy👍

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

Also this has been done a million times.. AK 74M vs M4 would've been a more accurate & closer comparison

[@Aeroshogun]

In case my comment was shadowbanned, ignorance is what a certain political party specializes in.

[@gertkriel6080]

What I learned; Don’t get shot.. at all..

[@It-b-Blair]

Love to see 300yd ballistic gel comparisons, and other variations on range testing. Maybe a pt 2?

[@infidel66687]

Good luck hitting the end of a gel block at 300 yards with a AK. Pretty much an impossible task. With the M4 it would actually be possible to hit at 300, making the M4 much more deadly.

[@Stahlkabel]

@@infidel66687 you never shot a ak on 300yard didnt you? if you are a good shooter and own not a cheapy / crappy china ak its easy.

[@jamfd3s788]

@@infidel66687I think he’s talking about ballistic gel dummy because it’s actually human sized and can show what the ballistic results look like in a body shot at distance

[@michaelray5023]

When I was in Boot Camp back in ‘02, the Admin Marines were hitting targets at 500 meters with the M4 no problem and they were ‘Expert Qualified’. These guys were just recruits, but they all made it is why I called them Marines.

[@char-2The-Tsar]

​@infidel66687 say you never actually shot an ak without saying you never actually shot an ak.

[@karatos]

I did a contract to test some domestic pistol and shotgun rounds about a decade back and we used the same blocks. The distortions are from surface finish on the block. You can put the block on plexiglass or similar and film from below and as long as the surface is clear then the block is clear, allowing great detail. Can also put a piece of glass or clear plastic against it or even pour water on the top to inspect easily without distortions.

[@eriklarson9137]

This guy. Can you give Mike some tips on weapon handing too? He knows nothing about that.

[@karatos]

@@eriklarson9137 you don't think people want to see clearer slow motion video of the cavitation and such? He is decent with guns and they have a lot of charm but they are not engineers. Though from what I've seen in other videos I probably could teach them a thing or two about long range shooting. The whole point of the clear block is to see everything clearly, and also it is designed so it is semipermanent as opposed to the organic stuff. I think the only benefit he was using is it is also less temperature sensitive.

[@dennyhleucka7786]

Omg could you imagine how horribly dry and boring it would be if Mike and Charlie were engineers? Gaaaaaawd it would be horrible! Plus I don’t think any engineers would have such funny ways of miss saying SDI

[@-Zevin-]

@@dennyhleucka7786 Honestly you need to meet more engineers. Some engineers I have known are the funniest people, can't make a generalized stereotype for all engineers. Mathematicians on the other hand....

[@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76]

@@dennyhleucka7786 Good thing they're both doctors in New Jersey

[@aries144]

Just a heads-up: it's been reported that clear gel may not display fragmenting rifle ammo performance as well as traditional ballistic gelatin. Sucks, because the old stuff is a royal PITA to deal with.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Why?

[@Austin152-S]

@@MeanBeanComedy probably gooey AF think about it.

[@CCW1911]

Clear gel is made to make it easier to see the wound track and is not made to meet FBI standards like traditional ballistic gelatin is, so for serious results look at the tests done with FBI spec gelatin.

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

“If you have an AKM you’re poor...” this is the kind of unbiased comparison I’m here for

[@ImWagon]

he targeted me with that comment i think

[@snafu_vfx]

Miss when AK’s were cheaper than AR’s as a whole

[@Khan.WrathOf]

You just know that whenever the SDI plug comes, Charlie, no matter the distance, regardless of time or circumstance will stop what hes doing and whisper "slippery dental injury" to himself.

[@dillonc7955]

The day Charlie gets censored is the day freedom of speech is at the brink.

[@nathanstack2951]

Where is Charlie? He hasn’t been in the last few recent vids.

[@Kremit_the_Forg]

His neck hair standing up, gazing into empty space... Whispering "Sweaty disabled idiots"

[@2014gmcV6]

I have been wondering where he is to

[@nathanstack2951]

@@Kremit_the_Forg by far my favorite 🤣

[@ristorasanen2111]

This reminds me of an interview of some Iraq vet, who told that they prefered 7.62 for urban combat for it's instant stopping power. He said that when you hit someone with 5.56 they are dead, they just don't know it yet. But when you hit someone with 7.62 they dorp like sack of potatoes.

[@andreyfendich]

I mean, 7.62x39 is equivalent to a 30/30 and 30/30 can drop medium to large sized game.

[@The_SmorgMan]

I’d also have .308 at longer ranges so there’s that

[@robertsims9201]

Just have both calibers. Both have their perks.

[@Emperio-zc5zr]

@@robertsims9201or have way of both worlds they sell an ar15 chambered in 762

[@robertsims3759]

@@Emperio-zc5zr Absolutely not. Not a fan of those. My Arsenal SAM7SF AK47 takes ARs chambered in 7.62x39 for walks. If it's 7.62 it's gotta be an AK.

[@thechrisofduke]

The deadliest thing in this video is Mike's smile

[@GarandThumb]

aw shuckkssss

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

Wut bout dat ayse? 😍🍑😩

[@JustFries95]

​@@stoptrackingourdata8158 AngryCop has the dumpy of the group. Sorce: unsupscribe podcast

[@genricjohn]

@@stoptrackingourdata8158bro… no.

[@jungletroll3844]

@@stoptrackingourdata8158 💀

[@user-po5po6pn8o]

When I first started watching this I was thinking it won't be a true test without Hornaday and the 8m3 style projectiles..this is why your the best channel. A shed a small tear when you broke those out.

[@haveaday1812]

So my close friend (let’s call him Mr. Mayhew) has the unfortunate distinction of being the only Guy in our unit to have been hit by both an AK and an M4. The Ak he took a round through the deltoid muscle, same day I took a ricochet off my NODS mount. This was in Baghdad around 2005 in SAdr City. He got a through and through with the AK and recovered in about 7 weeks. Then, in 2007 when we were back in Baghdad he was walking in a chow line and some Nasty guard POG had a live round in his supposed to be clear weapon, had a negligent discharge with his M4 and the round went right into my buddies shin. The round ripped off a chunk of his calf and snapped both his Fibia and Tibula in half. This one effectively ended his military career. So, if you ask him, he’d Say the M4. Side note: the guys around him nearly beat the NG guy to death, and he ended up in Leavenworth. The guys who savagely beat him ended up getting other than honorable discharges. I wasn’t there at the time, but I saw him at the aid station like 30 min before he flew out. The whole Situation was gnarly.

[@fal2218]

😂

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

@WillWaaaghForDakka what are the NG’s? Or nasty guards?

[@silverwolfe3636]

@@RosaParksWasWyt National Guard. Nasty Girls. No-Gos. there are few more, but they'd flag youtube's terms of service lol.

[@mauganra2589]

This is the kind of story that gives you more perspective than a range test on gelatin ever will.

[@WDLC1911]

I would think a 7.62x39 into someone’s shin would create havoc as well. Stay close to God and stay on your toes. You want nothing to do with the pointed end of either - not that anyone doubted this.

[@ДҜ74Џ]

I really appreciate the content Mike! Your vids helped me through a rough time.

[@bibifromsenegal3617]

Hope you’re doing alright brother!

[@RL-RL]

Mikes' videos always make me feel better as well. I hope you are doing well, and will feel better soon. 🙏

[@GTFBITK]

If things get too rough, don't be afraid to ask for help.

[@randybugger3006]

These videos helped me through a rough mime. I didn't know mimes could be as rough as that. Damn rough, that mime. Thanks guys.

[@robforskinstein]

@@randybugger3006mimes can be very mean sometimes, and they’re very condescending acting as if they’re trapped in some box that we can’t see.

[@jonathanwick1265]

Can you do a 5.45 versus 5.56 comparison or 300 BLK versus 7.62x39? It would be interesting to see how they stack up against each other.

[@-Zevin-]

They did do some testing with 5.45 a while back, and it's clear it has much greater wounding potential than 5.56, one constant is the 5.45 because of it's longer bullet hollow nose and steel core it yaws almost every single time, even at extended ranges. 300 BLK vs 7.62x39 would be interesting though, I imagine they would perform similarly depending on bullet type ballistically they are very similar in drop and energy. In allot of ways the 300 BLK was a attempt to make a 7.62x39 type bullet shoot out of a AR platform, a middle ground between the AR-15 and AR-10.

[@jcows12]

The blackout holds a bit less powder but shoots similar velocities, you can benefit from a 16" barrel for better performance but they also run excellent with short barrels allowing for a compact portable hammer. 300 blk with a 110 VMAX will cause a lot of damage because the projectile is quite soft and expands easily while getting a great increase in velocity over its heavier offerings.

[@throwaway-ws5mo]

Banana ballistics did this

[@albundy7459]

@@-Zevin-it was developed to be shot subsonic. It wasn’t designed to do more than that. That’s why it was called 300 whisper before it became commercially known as 300 blackout.

[@tylermallory2504]

@@jcows12 I don't think the 300 was developed to compete with the ak it was built to out perform the 5.56 ar with half the length.8" barrel 300 Carry's 10% more energy than 16" 5.56 out to 400 yards. easily suppressible and same platform and more energy for kicking doors!

[@colddeadhand7414]

My first fighting type rifle was a Romanian WSAR-10/63. As ergonomic as the AR-15 pattern rifles are, the AKM is still the rifle I will always gravitate to more. It's like an old friend. I would not feel the least bit undergunned with either platform though. They are both fine weapons.

[@UrsineArms]

Yeah, maybe the AR is better, but the Ak is a vibe

[@ZaxCal]

I feel the exact same way. My AKs feel like they have a soul. The ARs are just tools.

[@zchris87v80]

​@@ZaxCal that's an interesting way to think about it. And improving the AK requires more metalworking than just dropping in a new part. It's kind of like driving a new toyota corolla vs. an old muscle car. But I'll be honest, fudds also push me toward the AK. Love it when they all start chastising you about your "commie rifle".

[@NakatomiButtlet]

Loving that 13:10-13:11 ThumbpScare, very much cool thank you.

[@nephilimritual-band]

happy i wasn’t the only one to notice

[@chilly3125]

😂nah man what was that? seriously

[@charlesdemers1197]

@@chilly3125 The editor had a bad night of sleep ig

[@calebreinhardt1607]

I noticed it to. Glitch in the matrix.

[@uncannyvalley3190]

If I had to guess, it looks like he edited out a sponsored segment. Usually the unique sponsors are when he's inside like that jumpscare was.

[@sethperry1323]

“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

[@TortillaChip521]

@@hungryburger1170WW1, WW2, etc.

[@Weimerica8841]

Holodomor

[@superiorshotgun4348]

@@hungryburger1170Spanish Civil war was justified

[@Jack-sh6xr]

@@hungryburger1170 gamergate, etc.

[@slavicemperor8279]

@@Weimerica8841 didn't happen

[@roosterboy7357]

You should get white tables. The heat from the black table is not only destroying the block but changing the consistency as well.

[@FishFind3000]

Direct sunlight isn’t helping either.

[@darksu6947]

If it ain't white, it ain't right.

[@twistedyogert]

So if some mad scientist invents a laser that shoots in the sunlight spectrum then things will be nasty.

[@brett9382]

Or at least put some Styrofoam down to insulate it

[@scottfreeman258]

Just a quick correction from an old Combat Medic with a CMB that cut his teeth with the Big Red One Pneumothorax is air in the pleural space. Hemothorax is blood in the pleural space. Hemopneumothorax is both blood and air in the pleural space. Awesome video! Keep up the fire!

[@shifty198885]

Would have been really neat to see a 7.62x39 Soft point vs a 5.56 Soft point as well. Those are gnarly in unarmored targets

[@crohkorthreetoes3821]

the Hertzers 154gr soft points work real good on soft targets

[@Kiamors]

I have a box in case of deer, as fmj are illegal for taking deer in my county.

[@hammersandcaffeinepills]

​@@crohkorthreetoes3821my Peene 69 gr hardpoints are insane

[@RufusMcTwigglefart]

Yoooo, I've seen what the SOST ammo did to unarmored bodies and it was gruesome.

[@eljefeamericano4308]

...allegedly.

[@OneForChrist177]

As a poor family man I have an AKM with a flashlight mount leaning on my night stand. Can get wolf dirt cheap at the stores around me, can get it cheaper online and I have to do about zero maintenance on my rifle and I can hit a man sized target within 200-300m and deliver the effectiveness of a 30 cal. round. Great for penning cover like cars, small trees, multiple walls. Really couldn't ask for more.

[@MB-jg4tr]

I concur. But, I keep a 12gauge security model as my immediate HD nightstand tool. ...AKM after the immediate bump-in-the-night. Found a very nice condition lightly used Romanian WASR10/63 for $450 last year!

[@bintjbeil7892]

As a poor man I have a 19th century Napoleanic era British Pattern 1800 Infantry Rifle with a poker laying between the crevic of my hardwood bed. Zero maintenance and hundred percent reliability, even with cheap ammo.

[@PinChE_LoCo]

AKs are more expensive than ARs .

[@eriksturdevant8589]

Agreed. Price point, track record, durability...AK-47 wins handily.

[@pauperslament3467]

As a real poor person. I have nothing. So much for _my_ "rights."

[@BasicDefense]

I've seen the AK aftermath in houses in Mexico and there's a reason people use them to clear out neighborhoods and they do damage from car to car. it's a thick heavy round and "cuernos de chivo" have that nice aesthetic look to them.

[@ElBach1y]

Le dicen cuerno de chivo por la forma del cargador???? Jajajaj definitivamente más cool que banana clip

[@BasicDefense]

@ElBach1y Si es por el cargador, tiene años ese nombre en Mexico mas años que yo yo creo, siempre se escucha "saca el cuerno" o "aqui estan los cuernos de chivos" chulada de arma pero muy buena

[@skeleton1765]

Or… Ak’s and the ammo for them are easier to smuggle en masse.

[@madmenenist1464]

@@skeleton1765 in the past decade there’s been a huge amount of ar15’s and m4/m16 rifles being used by cartels in Mexico but the ak is still the status symbol in Mexico

[@madmenenist1464]

Cuerno de chivo is the coolest nickname for any gun that I can think of. Sounds great to say “yo traigo un cuerno de chivo” sounds macho af

[@wonderbreadmodelsandhistor1566]

Dude...where has this channel been all my life. Sub'd

[@DMS1791]

I can’t wait to see tests at ranges 100-300 yds. If you guys can do ballistics dummies at that range it’d be epic.

[@sloppyfloppy79]

That is where the differences will show. The m4 will probably do very poor however an A2 model with a 20" will do very good.

[@Lowiqpeoplethinktheyresmart]

What is your definition of very poor? 62 grain tumbles better at those ranges. Still over 6-700 foot pounds at 300 which is twice as powerful as a 9mm at point blank

[@sloppyfloppy79]

@@Lowiqpeoplethinktheyresmart Tumbling and fragmenting are two different things that have very different cavities and wound channels. The 62 grain out of a 16" has on average, 300fps less velocity than it's 20" counterpart. Since energy is a factor of velocity squared, the 20" delivers more punch, capable of fraging the projectile at 300 meters whereas the 16" is at its frag limits at just over 200. Most people have difficulty hitting targets beyond 200 so it's something true marksmen care about and not your average shooter.

[@Viking_367]

@@sloppyfloppy79yeah not many people will ever have to worry about terminal ballistics at that distance. For one, not many people can make the shot, 2 if you’re sniping someone at that range with this small of a caliber.. not a smart or strategically sound move because your picking a fight with what is that moment, not a threat and that’s the only scenario you will conveniently get a torso size target to sit still outside of cover and 3 majority of gunfights over a much smaller distance than 300, getting hits is luck as targets are bobbing up and down peaking and shooting. You’re taking fire, so you’re concealed and barely popping up to take a shot and re cover yourself. You’re not looking at a stable target and focusing on fundamentals like people seem to think they would be, as if warfare is at all similar to their days at a flat range

[@sloppyfloppy79]

@@Viking_367 You assume battlefield conditions from averages? I am in an area where I can see for over 30 miles in all directions. Very little cover and concealment. Out here in the Mojave Desert, it's not unusual to take shots at deer and antelope from 300-500 yards. Good luck getting closer.

[@SaturnVII]

What I really respect is that the M4 has been engineered to be good but the AKM simply *is* good within its designed parameters and considering the fact that it is in fact a 70 year old rifle I think that says something. And to be fair, the M16A1 pattern also is quite good of itself and its drip is unmatched

[@michaelsnyder3871]

You should note that the AR-15 design is now sixty years old and dates back to the AR-10 of 1957.

[@lampredgo5440]

Nope, you’re wrong buddy, AKM and AK47 are different weapons. AKM is modified version of AK47, the modification was made in 60s. It was finished in 1969. And then AK74 comes out. The design isn’t so good and it has low durability. It jams a lot and doesnt protect from mud, dust, sand and other things. It was made to be a cheap weapon that would be mass produced.

[@SergioGarcia-lu5yo]

​@@lampredgo5440 tell that to the Arabs who were shooting with little to no problems

[@Lonrok]

​@@lampredgo5440 The AK-47 is the one that had poor performance in field tests, that's actually why the AKM was created, better performance, better ergonomics and easier mass production. The AK-47 was a bad rifle, the AKM is basically a better version of the STG 44 (I mean this because the STG 44 is still used to this day, proving its effectiveness) being used in basically every conflict since its creation

[@tetaouch9823]

@@Lonrok Kalashnikov said that during military tests the AK-47 was tied to a tank and dragged along the ground. Not protected from dust and dirt? AK-47s today uses vietnamese mud instead of lubricant.

[@deand5602]

When's the next "Becoming deadly" long form video coming out? Love those vids

[@francisdotso8594]

Yeah, those videos are amazing, love all the knowledge he shares

[@ajee3229]

We need more of those videos.

[@dreadnaught688]

We need to know

[@slavicemperor8279]

we need those vids more than ever now considering overall state of the world

[@RobotCheetah1]

That would be nice to see

[@Willoajsjs]

“I’ll buy you new chucks dude” “These are vans!” 😂

[@maxsinclair2401]

dad moment

[@Senkushi]

for me, this video shows the importance of knowing what your ammo is capable of alongside your weapon

[@mtmadigan82]

We used to talk about lethality between the rounds. From shooting ammo boxes of water or cinderblock walls to see what our 556 would do compared with an ak variant. What we finally came out with from our tests was the accuracy over distance was significantly better for ar/m4. This was important in Afghanistan, unlike iraq. Going through dark areas we all had nvgs. 3rd gen pcs14 and pvs 7. This was when things got fun. If youve never used night vision, its unbelieveable. A whole new dimension of existence. You can see people and they have no idea your there.

[@fallinginthed33p]

It's happening again in Ukraine. Giving regular infantry NVGs opens up a new operational arena by turning night into day.

[@loganmarcotte8944]

556 is going way faster

[@thebronzetoo]

Call of Duty must be Rad!!

[@josephmatuszak3855]

The steel penetrator in the 5.56 works a bit like a "powerball" because of the speed and weight of the round. It may penetrate, but it seems to force expansion as well.

[@luislongoria6621]

That execution

[@bartowflorida]

Have a few friends and family members that have done tours in the middle east and it’s seems to be common for them to try to get their hands on AK’s while over there, even though they weren’t allowed to bring them back here

[@EliteBadFrog]

Great vid. Would love to see the comparison with 5.45×39mm as well!

[@Heinrich_STG44]

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing Dude.

[@oskar6661]

I'd give the nod to the 7.62x39 simply because of what you mentioned earlier in the video. Cheaper, bulk, ball ammo...is as effective as more expensive, fancier ammo from the 5.56. The 7.62x39 is also a bit less dependent on speed to do it's job, etc. Add in the better barrier penetration (again of simple cheap ball ammo), and I'll lean that way. Even a "bad" AK round is still 122 grains of screw-you. I would be curious what weird rounds Lapua has - as they produce really expensive, nice hunting rounds for the 7.62x39. Generally I don't see any "fancy" AK rounds outside of the bulk hollow-points, etc.

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

The bulk tula hollow points in 7.62x39 don’t actually expand. It makes them slightly more accurate somehow. I don’t really remember how but yeah

[@hawk66100]

This video has showed me that if any of these rounds hits you, you are pretty much done for. Your basic FMJ ammo performs almost if not just as good as these “Gucci” rounds.

[@Ryan-cv9ww]

It’s because he needed to use true 8m3, not sure if he was using that or just normal Tula hollow point, as well as just m67 which is common mil spec ammo specifically made for more yawing when it hits targets, not sure why he didn’t use m67 as it’s milsurp when he used mil spec ammo for the 5.56

[@hansblitz7770]

Hornady makes a plastic tip HP x39 that is nasty.

[@danielschmidt123]

Used to be cheaper. It's all about the same currently.

[@cbwelch4]

Depends on the use case and environment. Beyond 300 yards the AKM in 7.62 is less precise than an AR as it becomes subsonic sooner dusrupting its flight path, but under sustained fire the AKM won't shut down as quickly or cook off rounds as soon as it keeps the heat forward of the receiver better. Terminally the performance of M43 is better. Well documented. Anecdotally 5.45 due to its construction does more damage on a flesh medium as well as the tip of the bullet is designed to break off causing the bullet to yaw. Both platforms are accurate enough. The AKM not being accurate is a myth. "Deadly" is mostly a function of the shooter.

[@edwardnigma6568]

@Garand Thumb An interesting video you should check out is on that was done by Military Arms Channel where they utilized the various military iterations of the 5.56 cartridge in all the military issued AR variants going back to the M16A1. A quick spoiler, the M16A1 was the only AR rifle adopted to ever pair a 20in barrel with a 1:12 twist ratio and when a 55gn M193 is fired through that particular barrel, the results are devastating. I was shocked to see damage performance that appeared consistent with something like .308 or 30.06. The whole point of the video was to test what was presumed to be Fudd lore, whether or not the M16A1+M193 combo was the deadliest iteration and the results were surprising to say the least. If memory serves, MAC conducted their test on Watermelons just like Gunny Ermey would have, itd be interesting to see this particular experiment receive the Dr. Garand treatment with ballistic dummies, irreverent humor, etc.

[@ThunderTaco206]

I was a combat medic in an infantry platoon in OIF. I treated both 5.56 (old M855) and 7.62x39 wounds, and the 5.56 exit wounds were always, always way worse. Like, big enough that I had to use four or five full rolls of kerlex gauze (this was pre-z fold combat gauze making it's way to us) for one exit wound in soft tissue. I mean, I could get my entire hand in those wound cavities, and I wear size XL gloves. Don't get me wrong, 7.62x39 wounds were ugly too, and getting shot with either is going to fucking ruin your day, but if I was told I was absolutely going to get shot and had to choose which of those two rounds I was going to get hit with, I'd take the 7.62x39.

[@MB-jg4tr]

Yikes, thanks for sharing

[@luckymetal13]

Funny how youre proly mixing up both rounds because the 762 would be much worse, its a bigger cailber. Theres a Iraqi vet who killed ra9heads and said 762 was thw more deadlier round. His 556 couldnt keep them out of the fight whereas the 762 would put marines out of combat immediately

[@Cessna210Guy]

A lot of older 7.62x39 ammo was steel core, that stuff never tumbled. New FMJ is lead core and tumbles very quickly, shown here how the FMJ still does a ton of damage.

[@ThunderTaco206]

@@Cessna210Guy And yet even in this video with the premium rounds, the 5.56 was better.

[@MB-jg4tr]

@@luckymetal13 I think he probably is mixing them up

[@775boyscout]

The 8M3 is dependent on the age of it. The older 8M3 that was sold in the early 2000's is scored inside the hollow point and fragments very easily. The newer 8M3 was labeled as the same on the box, but doesn't perform as well.

[@BetweentheCheeks00]

I was surprised as well because usually 8M3 explodes like the soft point

[@cwmoreash]

I got half a case from SGammo of the 8M3, or 8V3, I'm tired, I haven't shot it yet, but from videos of the ammo I remember seeing them take apart rounds and have the scoring on the inside of the jacket, so I have high hopes for their performance. Golden Tiger brand.

[@775boyscout]

@cwmoreash The old 8M3 I was talking about, that I've tested multiple times before and seen fragmentation in, is the blue and white box ammo made by the Ulyanovsk factory. Golden tiger is typically made by Vympel, so not the same ammo. There was also an older round that was called the 8M1 effect, and it had a nipple at the tip with an air gap inside.

[@cwmoreash]

@@775boyscout Yeah I know about where GT is made, I understand the different factories, I just mean I am really hoping the Vympel stuff performs like I have read of older 8M3 performs. I will try to remember to test it out on something i can recover the bullet from and look at it.

[@Raptor091288]

Are we talking a single shot in controlled circumstances? Because AK47 would win that due to the difference in caliber. If we're talking active combat situations with hundreds of other factors, I'd lean towards the M4 due to it being lighter and more controllable during sustained fire.

[@GarandThumb]

this is a simple round for round ballistic test

[@jakegrube9477]

Yea nah ,bore diameter isnt everything my guy, 55gr 5.56 out of a 20 inch barrel performs comparable to .308 in terms of terminal effect

[@bodybong]

The true test is right after micah retires......

[@Raptor091288]

@@GarandThumb Makes sense, for FMJ rounds through a generic setup vs flesh/gel, my money's on the AK. For specialized rounds, 5.56 all the way. I feel like there's been a lot more R&D on making 5.56x45 effective than 7.62x39. Typical Russians going "Nyet, rifle is fine." no doubt.

[@devon5078]

this still isn’t a definitive truth. depends on if you’re using 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 and how far away you’re shooting. I would take an m4 over the ak every day of the week

[@dank-bongripper9836]

Akm and m4 are from completely different periods. It's better to compare akm to a later m16 variant. Or m4 to ak74m or ak100/200 series

[@GenX-Grampa]

The MAN behind the weapon! THATS which one is deadlier!

[@30rdmaga]

Facts!

[@Th3Mavr1ck]

Im glad you guys did a video about this, never heard 1 person talk about this ever.

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

Never heard an argument about this once in my life. Truly an original content idea.

[@Tr4wnet]

fun fact: I am currently crying so hard right now. This is seriously the most beautiful, well put together story ever. I can’t believe how magical it was 1:12. That part truly made me shed a tear. And especially at 6:34 that part was just so truly heart touching words can not describe the series of emotions I felt. I absolutely loved the climax it had insanely excellent detail. Oh and we can’t forget the conclusion. The conclusion was the greatest and saddest conclusion I have ever seen better than any of the books I have read. Thank you so much for creating this absolute masterpiece. This is essentially the most important masterpiece of film history. It is a tragedy that this, it can’t be called a film, but a transcendent emotional experience, will be inaccessible for most. It beautifully encapsulates the human struggle to its basics; suffering, pleasure, faith, despair. It connects with the characters within the viewers, individuals suppressed within our own subconscious. 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This might be the most impactful piece of art I’ve come across in my life, and I’m definitely coming back to it in the near future to study it more deeply. this is an absolute masterpiece, I was brought to tears listening to this and seeing the bacon go whirly swirly in a circle countless times. it absolutely moved my soul , and I don't think I can ever be the same. this bacon has changed my entire mental state , I am now at peace with who I am and what I will be doing later in my life. So much great graphic design, so much suspense, so much greatness in this one video. i have forgiven all my enemies and now I am a man of a pacifist life. I will move on , gotta move on , as the song says. the bacon is so inspirational , it shares it vast wisdom with all of us , and we are all so lucky that it would bestow it's great words with us. we are all children on bacon. hail bacon. hail bacon. The spinning bacon, rotating in one direction with this music... This made me tear up. How could a cat do such a thing? I'm struck by awe by this masterpiece. Especially when the cat dances, showing its lightly salt covered tan skin. I can hear the crunch just from here, and so as the beautiful sound of the bacon scraping the dark, smooth velvet floor. The flavor, music and everything can be heard, tasted, seen and felt from a screen. You can really hear the breaths between the music artist, empathizing her love for this rotating bacon. Truly what I call modern art. This was the most legendary performance by any bacon I have ever watched. The acting was top tier and very life changing. This is one of the greatest work from a piece of bacon I have ever seen especially on 57:42. I am crying. This has made me go through an emotional rollercoaster. I cried, beat off, and also watched a movie while watching this premiere. This has made me go through so much. I passed depression because of this. It really inspired me to become an outstanding young man. Thank you.

[@556bc]

DocGKR did.

[@It-b-Blair]

@@Tr4wnetchatgpt much? 🤪

[@abstractapproach634]

Right, completely novel concept. No one has wondered how these weapons systems compare!

[@RedTang1138]

Damn every time I’m watching another vid I see one of yours in the suggested that just dropped and it’s always a topic I really want to see covered and you guys deliver each time. From a 2017 follower thank you. Drop more merch so I can blow my money.

[@GarandThumb]

onwardresearch.com

[@jberry1982]

Damn Gerrand rocking the Tri band with SSB mode Radio and helmet mount kit today the twin antenna gave it away those exact radios even docked into a docking station with built in 100watt linear amplifier that was in nearly every US military vehicle

[@jberry1982]

I love those radios unfortunately they won't work with any other set cuz of the 1,000hz sqeultch tone in the receiver

[@kevmoful]

I’ve shot deer with a 64 grain soft point in 223 from about 40 yards . It was effective deer ran about 20 yards and laid down . Took the same shot with a 154 grain soft point in 7.62x39 the following year . I hit that shoulder bone and it was just destroyed , deer just dropped on its face and was done. At the time box of those Tula soft points was 4.99 for 20 and I have a few 40 boxes that I paid 6.99

[@drmanhattan5219]

I think a fairer comparison would be the M4 vs AK74. 5.56 is a lot more similar to 5.45

[@Marveljesis]

I mean most aks that people own are 7.62x39 so thats more of a fair comparison since not a lot of people shoot 5.45

[@RealBelisariusCawl]

Yes, that *would* be more of an apples to apples comparison, BUT it’s not the debate people always have. People always ask about whether 7.62x39 or 5.56x45 is the better round.

[@medieval_flail]

7.62x39 more common

[@alpolo007]

I think the best would be M16A2 vs AKM and M4A1 vs AK-74.

[@danielschmidt123]

I dont think the video was about a "fair comparison"

[@davidbere000]

I would love to see a feature with Paul Harrell, and a incorporation of an .308 caliber weapon in future videos!

[@kareldebures7006]

Oh yeah!

[@lukaszimmermann2215]

Meat target time!

[@Arkancide]

.308 wins everything in regards to damage performance. Not even a competition.

[@empireoflizards]

Also, Idaho ain't that far from Oregon, lol

[@WritingFighter]

I never seen a debate regarding M4 vs AK-47, not specifically anyway. Except in 1 vid with shooting on cinderblock targets. M-16 vs AK-47, yes. M4 vs AK-74, yes. Right off the bat, the barrel length was mentioned which "may" give the M4 a disadvantage as noted in commentary.

[@FilipinoFinesse]

Interesting results. I’d be curious to see the comparison between the 5.45 60gr FMJ and 5.56 55gr FMJ

[@ghostmourn]

Yeah I came looking for this comment. Id really like to see how the "poison bullet' does in these tests.

[@mattmarzula]

​@@ghostmournyeah. Too bad a free and accessible system with searchable video content didn't exist. Wherever would you look to find that?

[@rustysausage69]

Bump. Thats truly an apples to apples test IMO

[@clydebailliff]

Amen. Do it!

[@robison87]

Cant go wrong with both. I do know when i was shooting cinder blocks it took about 3 5.56 rounds to smash through the block the same as a single 7.62x39 round.

[@warrenharrison9490]

7.62 goes thru wood poles and trees better than 5.56.

[@crewchief5144]

An AR with an AK "Master Key" style underneath. I'm for it.

[@PotzyMccoy]

Good advice for anyone who is fighting against or hunting blocks

[@warrenharrison9490]

M855 is pretty good at busting blocks.

[@robison87]

​@PotzyMccoy If that's your take away then that's on you. However, it demonstrates the superior barrier penetration of the 7.62.

[@Christopharis]

Watching that M193 just obliterate the artificial spine at 15:27 really feels different when you're lying in a hospital bed with a broken back. Anyways great content as always Mike!

[@f.schmid468]

God bless you and may you have a good healing journey!❤

[@michaelrunde4262]

These rounds cause expansion so violent that it literally makes the air trapped in the cavity combust, thus making your body into something like a diesel engine. Gnarly bro

[@chistopherroberts8473]

How can we get a definitive answer without Charlie's input. 😂

[@fell9654]

13:10 lots of KZbinrs try their best to make a seamless transition to the sponsor portion of the video, GT does not give aF 😆

[@ThadeuAzevedo]

Awesome video. Just awesome. Another cool comparisson you could do is performance in short barrels. 5.56x45 vs .300blk vs 7.62x39 . Something along the lines of "What's the best caliber for short barrel rifles ?" .

[@UppityWhiteMan]

16:32

[@UppityWhiteMan]

😅

[@gullahgeechee2699]

300 blackout burns pistol powder and was made for shorter barrels to perform like an AK47 using supers and .45acp using subs.

[@Math-Man-9]

13:11 why was there a picture of him????

[@cornholio1612]

I'm really curious to hear Charlie's opinions on this topic.

[@nathanstack2951]

Have wondered where Charlie even is? He hasn’t been on recently…

[@Ben-uf3dc]

Mike, your advice is always top tier. You have an extremly lucky family to have you in their lives.

[@thetrentpete]

Where’s Charlie? Is he safe? Is he alright?

[@GarandThumb]

he’s getting himself moved!

[@shaunpatterson9148]

It would seem, in your worry, that you moved him

[@mikemasek5039]

Charlie has been kidnapped by Hamas

[@thetrentpete]

@@mikemasek5039 😂

[@anthonyjurado6162]

Shout out to micah bro amazing camera man. Love this channel.

[@frankschmidke5615]

For better comparison value, and starting with the M4 in 5.56mm-one should use the AK74 in 5.45mm (more likely apple to apple comparison). I was fortunate enough during my service years to shoot on many occasions the AK 74 beside the HK G3 and some other. The AK 74 had a V0 of 900m/s and a 525m effective firing range, very accurate considering the iron sights we only had at that time. More precise was the HK G3, but not as durable in the field after three weeks (of learning the first name of each of the moles we encountered by digging out our "holes" for the day).

[@jarrettmartin4143]

If you had to pick 5 56 ar m4 or 5.45 akm what would you pick

[@VolkovVelikan]

Finally a smart person in this channel’s comment section

[@VolkovVelikan]

⁠@@jarrettmartin4143the 5.45 was created with a gnarly mindset in mind. The idea was that it will enter the victim’s body and then cause a wounding effect internally rupturing the flesh inside without a bullet exit hole. The 5.56 seems to penetrate better basically going through much much easy. I’d use 5.45 because if that wounding effect.

[@jdmmike7225]

That OTM from Sierra looked pretty devastating as well. Left huge pockets in its wake. Great vid fellas 🤙

[@Wind_slash0]

That expansion reminds me of when grosskreutz's arm found out

[@kekistanimememan170]

@@Wind_slash0 which was generic fmj I believe. Barrel length does wonders.

[@nehocdrofsnop]

I'm a little disappointed that your ammo selection for the AKM was so limited. The Russians developed some pretty intense loadings, never mind the Czech's 127gr and the Yugo's M67. There's also some pretty impressive commercial loadings like TUI from Fort Scott.

[@HumbleWarrior7]

M67 is some gnarly stuff. Plus the SST round didn’t fully expand because of how warm the gel was .

[@nehocdrofsnop]

​@HumbleWarrior7 it's not called Hamburger Maker for nothing! Haha

[@MB-jg4tr]

I know of the M67 hollow cavity yaw, but not the Cz 127g. Brief explanation?

[@nehocdrofsnop]

​​@MB-jg4tr to my knowledge Czech surplus is loaded to much higher pressures than regular combloc m43, with a slightly heavier steel core.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

It's getting a bit harder to source, so that might have been a factor, plus I like Garand thumb but he definitely has his bias.

[@novemberman8203]

The background music really helps people to maintain their attention. It makes the program more entertaining.

[@Thatoneskymember]

A good indicator of how deadly it is relies on if the live leak logo is in the corner

[@rg-nv8156]

I would love to see a test like this but with a sheet of drywall behind it to demonstrate more of a home defense scenario dealing with over penetration.

[@SmithandWessonBlazer]

He's done one with several different calibers but not specific to 5.56 vs 7.62

[@rg-nv8156]

@@SmithandWessonBlazer drywall after it goes through ballistic gel?

[@SmithandWessonBlazer]

@rg-nv8156 Ahh I'm mistaken. That's what I wish he had done. It was just through drywall.

[@Armored_Muskrat]

It's going to fly through. In fact, it'll probably fly through 30 or 50 pieces of drywall. Houses don't have much more bullet stopping ability than air unless they're made of brick or stone.

[@rg-nv8156]

@@Armored_Muskrat you think even after going though a "ballistic body"?

[@jakebailey5537]

in my time speaking to afghan special forces, they preferred the akm in 7.62 over the m4. They said when they shot taliban with the akm they tended to stay down, but with the m4 it took a couple more shots sometimes.

[@matthewpham9525]

How are those guys doing nowadays?

[@user-nq4hw5eb9d]

Ive heard this from our special forces guys as well. Within 300 yds 7.62x39 is miles better on soft targets. A more fair comparison would be .300 blackout and 7.62x39

[@zm1786]

​@@matthewpham9525the taliban guys have switched to m4s and m16s lol

[@southwestrecusant]

Yep, those guys are credible--all the bravery of the South Vietnamese special forces.

[@southwestrecusant]

@@matthewpham9525 Pretty sure they were falling off of our planes after they fled from the Taliban in record time.

[@jordanchumney7373]

I really appreciate how quickly he gets on target and shoots. No wasted words either. Dude is on a mission to inform and instruct lol

[@spartan117gw]

The content we need, but not the kind we deserve

[@pyeitme508]

What's up!

[@brandon_crow1291]

I'd really like to see this same test at distance rather than close range. Like maybe at mid sort of fire fight range. Cause at least from what I've heard thats where the real difference is at.

[@beanhurst]

I don't think 7.62 was "eclipsed" with modern 5.56 loadings, I think the loadings in the video weren't comparable. Modern 7.62 is difficult to get your hands on, obviously. But the AK is on brand with cheap ammo superiority. Edit: Since it seems there will be a longer range video at some point and since the 7.62 round selection will probably be similar it's worth keeping in mind that the AK-47 was primarily meant to replace the SMG. As long as we're not using modern 7.62 loadings we should consider the fact that the AK's long range performance isn't "lacking" exactly, it was designed for much closer range. Despite the range markings on the rear sight, those are ridiculous.

[@clydebailliff]

A lot of work and development was invested into making the diminutive AR more lethal. The AK rounds came effective right out of the crate in its infancy. Had the venerable AK ammo received the same efforts it be even better. The Kalashnivov bullet launchers and blammo are effective and will certainly outlive us all...

[@Breeki01]

I think the true comparison shouldnt be between 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 but should include 5.45, alot more research and development has gone into 5.45 during the recent years as it is the standard military cartridge used by russia and other soviet block countries.

[@Radbot776]

If you want to cause lethal insane damage with 762x39 you need to chop the tip of the bullet off at a 45 degree angle with some pliers or grinder

[@mikec8086]

​@@aionarkhe5260once 5.56 was introduced , 7.62x39 was going to be pushed to the wayside. 5.56 is much better for logistics and increasing the firepower of individual rifleman. The soviets saw this and developed the 5.45 to have similar benefits.

[@David-sd5cj]

Phenomenal job guys!!!

[@grizbauerbyoqrf4578]

With you being such a fan of AAC ammunition, I'm surprised you did not squeeze in the 5.56 75gr AAC Sabre Black Tip round. I would have been very interested to see it featured here. Maybe in a future review? Either way, love this content!

[@jimbailey490]

Dear Mr. Thumb, You amazingly combine science, action and humor that draws the viewers in and keeps our interest. Thank you for what you do. I thought that only ball type ammo was allowed in international war situations. If you or your viewers would clear that up for me I would appreciate it.

[@tannerskatrud7504]

As a non expert on the subject, the specific wording I have heard is hollow points aren’t allowed. Maybe the “open tips” aren’t technically considered hollow points even though they probably do about the same thing?

[@jimbailey490]

@@tannerskatrud7504 thank you

[@Holret]

That was not science.

[@ivanslonyara]

everything that's not allowed is allowed

[@jefforymerten9613]

@@tannerskatrud7504 You're right: OTM (Open Tip Match) is not considered a "hollow point" because the small hole (OTM) is not a functional "hollw point" and is for increasing turbulence in front of the bullet - thus reducing drag - not for creating larger wound channels.

[@joederp7512]

The m855a1 penetrator did go through you can see it on the slow-mo. It deviates downwards while a bone fragment flies upwards.

[@fenris.507]

A fair comparison would be cool. You know AK weapon platforms can actually be modernized, right? Honestly extremely similar to how much you can customize your Ak so why the hell are you using a stock one

[@tequenhoshorts]

Genuinely the best duo in the gun community. Thanks boys.

[@nightlife_owl]

Good video. Garand obviously has his own bias when it comes to the weapom platform but doesn't outright trash the AK. I'd like to see a more modernized AK vs the m4 comparison.

[@sui1162]

In my opinion, 5.56 excells in certain areas where the 7.62 doesnt and vice versa. Both are deadly rounds, but I guess it depends on the situation.

[@dinonuggiesguy4847]

Solution: bring both

[@sui1162]

@@dinonuggiesguy4847 yes

[@saucyscrambler8710]

Which application do you think excels in what field?

[@j-crancranford2153]

​@@saucyscrambler8710in my opinion, ak is better in brush and thick wooden areas, m4 more accurate in range with less kick. All my personal opinion nothing else.

[@m1abrams1776]

@@saucyscrambler8710 7.62 is cheaper if you just wanna do plinking in the woods

[@B.Man18]

The round that destroyed the head was a 5.56 high capacity magazine with a pistol grip that made its velocity faster. Lmk if I’m right

[@bust3rboris]

You know, I'd be really interested to see a comparison of .300 blackout with other similar cartridges on these targets. Like the difference between sub and supersonic loads, and maybe even compare that with 9x39. I've always wondered how well those would actually do on human analog. I've been wanting to give my wife a .300 blackout AR, but I've never been sure if the rounds performance is good enough for me to trust it with her life.

[@vittoriovuocolo2438]

My wife is getting a 300 blackout because I don't trust she can make a good hit or hits with 5.56. She is retired army but goofy as hell sometimes.

[@johnmoore8067]

@@vittoriovuocolo2438 Why would she be able to hit better with the 300?

[@mitchjames9350]

@@vittoriovuocolo2438 sounds like .22 would be safer.

[@Gigachadly]

Trust me bro there’s no way your wife would survive a .300 black out she’s not a superhuman.

[@waty0usay1]

I kinda wanna see you guys nail ballistic gel from 500 meters away.

[@juvofirme]

that would be very difficult with akm because of how short the distance between rear sight and front sight. nobody ever mentions that the iron sights on akm are like a pistols.

[@rob6850]

Yes, same test but at 500. Get Henry over.

[@mistaajones]

no. let's keep setting up the dummies within spitting distance so that we can go from 1000 videos of this to 1001 videos showing the same exact thing! why do something different?

[@eljefeamericano4308]

An additional point about books, specifically in owning them, is that nobody can log in and edit them to fit the times. Printed material doesn't change. Absolutely great video.

[@alexisdetocqueville9964]

Never thought about it like that. A great point.

[@jeffh6960]

1984

[@eljefeamericano4308]

@@jeffh6960 They can't edit the books on your shelves unless you let them!

[@LostBeetle]

Unless the mandella effect is real...

[@Frenchfrys17]

That goes both ways. It means content you like can't be edited to something you don't like. But it also means content which you don't like will always be content you don't like. The latter may cause alot of anguish for many.

[@scottkain8977]

Conclusion: Do not get shot with an M4 or an AK at ANY range with ANY type of round. Also: Go read a book is the best advice I've heard in a while. It might even increase the vocabulary of some of you individuals. Cheers my 2A brethren.