Gaster wants our MEMORIES | Deltarune: Connection Theory | Deltarune Theory Discussion and Analysis

[@spookydood5500]

Thanks for watching! To recap my thoughts (in case you were completely lost) Connection Theory simply suggests that Deltarune's use of the word "power" is tied to the idea of memories, with those memories being the power that connects us to things. Those memories connect us to Undertale, those memories connect us to Deltarune, and perhaps those memories connect us to Gaster. Gaster and Dess aren't ACTUALLY dead, which is what allows this power, this "connection" to keep them around in ways. It's why Noelle is tied to glitches- because she's still connected to an individual lost in the "code." This power is what will allow us to bring them back... Anyways, make sure to like and subscribe! (What? You're here to complain about the part where the mic was popping? No you're not.)

[@Research_Pod]

Well damn man. This is it. This video is absolutely mind blowing, I genuinely think there’s about an 80% chance you literally just solved the game in this video.

[@clourenskidmore9190]

so in short kzbin.info/www/bejne/foXSpWCQiJmko6csi=9bICQEIRD7jHFPIp

[@timedeathe]

9:10 found your easter egg .

[@user-by1xd9sl7u]

even if you're wrong about dess and gaster, i think you basically solved the goners

[@Junnneee]

Agreed

[@maxtheamazing8870]

the gooners

[@Majik-7121]

@@maxtheamazing8870 we all know that’s what we read first

[@aguila-wg3ug]

Agreed. Like, the vessel is grey, it's similar but not entirely to a pre-existing character, the parts are called goners, and the one who tells us to make it is highly implied to be Gaster. It's all shockingly conclusive.

[@user-xt4gh7tn9p]

totally agreed

[@genericlurker5778]

This, may hold a bit more than that. Deltarune is supposedly a parallel story to undertale, and what you described is pretty close to how you actually beat undertale's pacifist route. You use your memories of your friends to bring them back from what is effectively death to help beat Asriel, and then use memory (and the power of several hundred souls) to save Asriel too! Returning him to his original form, At least for a little bit. And then everyone forgets about the fight. Asriel is put back into memory. Flowey is still around, but Asriel was being eroded from the collective memory of monsters for a while. Flowey's own resets started with him visiting Toriel and Asgore, but that didn't last. Then it never happened in the first place. The memorial statue was moved to waterfall at some point, and while monsters still knew about Asriel, he isn't brought up by name very often. Once the barrier is broken there isn't much reason to repeat the story of his death. It was just one more reason the monsters wanted to escape the Underground and fight back against humanity. This even (sort of) extends to the neutral route. You just have to get all the human souls on your side once, then they'll rebel against flowey even after he resets to the start of the fight- remembering your calls for help. And in Geno... the connections are loose but an argument can be made that "Chara" is gaining more solidified memories/personality through your actions. But the most important part of geno is that it always remembers that you did it, even into a pacifist route. (unless you mess with the files, erasing that memory) You mentioned sans, but the Memoryheads are also something with this theory. "Come join the fun" was always a weird phrase that I know a few theorists have picked at.

[@thehugster]

for anyone wondering (probably no one) the image that flashes across the screen at ~9:10 says "kris is the knight" have a nice day :)

[@spookydood5500]

SUBLIMINAL MESSAGING

[@thehugster]

lol@@spookydood5500

[@Not_A_Noob_06-qm5wz]

Thx

[@CantusTropus]

He's right though

[@TheRealRandomations]

I took ages to pause at the right time, and after I finally did, I saw this comment 😭

[@pancakes8670]

The idea that the Goners are other creatures outside of their reality (like us) that Gaster has assembled into tangible forms to act as his followers (preying on their chasing obsession trying to solve the mystery of Gaster) is actually really cool. Now we just have one question. Who saved us? Who put us in the body of Kris and stopped us from becoming a Goner?

[@lourdespachla6516]

chara maybe

[@jennifert.4416]

it's gotta be kris. the voice is like chara's, who is an alternate universe analogue to kris, they would believe the whole Nobody Can Choose thing, they're the only person we know besides gaster who can do Soul Stuff, and the surprise is preserved because we never see them talk

[@lourdespachla6516]

@@jennifert.4416 actually kris is an analogue to frisk, just because you have the same clothes as chara doesnt mean you are chara, if that was true i would be eating chocolate rn.

[@jennifert.4416]

​@@lourdespachla6516tbh i think they're both! kris is the inscrutable yellow goofball and also the depressed knife creep with the weird relationship to their humanity and these two sides of their character were split up to serve undertale's chara/frisk narrative twist and its video game morality metanarrative

[@lourdespachla6516]

@@jennifert.4416 actually, that makes sence.

[@Sappysappster]

"A man dies when he is forgotten!"

[@mateoostorero2223]

Gaster died by mushroom poisoning

[@mchsprod]

Gaster is Mario confirmed 🤨

[@jinjeredge]

Hi sappy

[@murtadhaamin3654]

@@mchsprod I think that's the new game theory tom will cover (since matpat retired)

[@CantusTropus]

*Suppresses manly tears*

[@gerdysertorius]

Obligatory "Human... I remember... you're Dess."

[@mochalavender9398]

Human... I shat myself

[@megaraptoran1990]

My meme basically

[@str4nger-d4nger]

human.... i remember you're dess-nuts

[@TurretBot]

I AM?!?!?

[@doom64hunter]

What's also interesting about the Goners is that they all tie into Deltarune's "eye" motif. They all have some weird stuff going on with their eyes: * Goner Clamgirl's head, as noted, is one big eyeball. * Goner Donut Guy has no eyes at all. * Goner Ficus Licker stares directly at us, his eyes having shadows which the original Ficus Licker doesn't. * Goner Bird/Hand guy has a single discernible feature, its eye. * Goner Kid has no pupils, much like Noelle when she casts Snowgrave. And of course, the Goner Human we construct doesn't have any eyes either, regardless of which head we choose.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

They have messed up eyes, probably because they are blinded to their situation. They're so obsessed with Gaster, that it's consumed them. And that Gaster is using them to bait others into searching for him (including the players).

[@TheSkyGuy77]

""only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way""

[@DuoVersal]

@@TheSkyGuy77goner kid’s only connection to gaster is purely just being a goner. Absolutely nothing else that is for sure canon

[@squidwardtentacles8659]

Goner doesn't feel like a word anymore 😭

[@lourdespachla6516]

it is rude to talk about one when he can hear you.

[@kellymountain]

​@@lourdespachla6516he's a dumb idiot. I hate him

[@sharkenjoyer]

Says the guy whose generation came up with words like rizz and gigachad

[@kellymountain]

@@lourdespachla6516 dont care, hes a doofus

[@souptaels]

​@@sharkenjoyerdon't forget gyatt

[@Beaeaeaedsfdsfd]

The "december is never said" thing reminds me a lot of the whole thing with gaster where you can never name yourself him! i did check though, and you can call yourself "december" sadly.

[@gjk-arts5855]

Can you name yourself dess?

[@spookydood5500]

True, ALTHOUGH (if you really want to get crazy with it) maybe you can name yourself December after the month? The word December isn't JUST a name, whereas "Gaster" has literally one usage, and refers to only one person and nothing else.

[@QSBraWQ]

You could also name yourself gaster after wing gaster the Royal scinetist

[@Beaeaeaedsfdsfd]

@@gjk-arts5855yes, and i'm like 99% confident gaster says "an interesting coincidence" when you do, just like if you name yourself any other lightner.

[@devlinmcguire7543]

​@@spookydood5500 I hope you read this, because this reminds me of how in the Spamton sweepstakes typing in "December" in your URL doesn't work, but changing the wording to just "dess" does work. Thus giving us the guitar 'Find Her' page.

[@TaskMaster369]

"Don't forget."

[@TheSkyGuy77]

"... I'm with you in the dark~"

[@silence_starglitcher8086]

"I Forgor 💀"

[@josecorzo5517]

​@@silence_starglitcher8086 you are alone in the dark

[@silence_starglitcher8086]

@@josecorzo5517 i dont feel alone

[@modestzachman758]

Let me propose my own sub-theory to this theory. This theme of memories can also be said to apply to our two secret bosses. As both Jevil and Spamton are figures that have essentially been forgotten by the people around them. Obviously, not as severe as Gaster, people still talk about them if asked, but they almost never come up in the main story. I always wondered why Gaster would want to “help” these two. Especially because his “help” only seemed to cause them to end up in far worse situations. Perhaps he decided to help them using the power he had just to be remembered by someone. Let him maintain some relevance before he is lost forever. Alternitavely, the secret bosses could act as a breadcrumb trail Gaster left for us to find him. Perhaps this could explain why he mysteriously disappeared. As once Jevil and Spamton were forgotten, they became useless to Gaster.

[@kramkrum3672]

I'm glad you understand just how major and important Gaster has been to the communities of both games, and you get his potential. There's so much lore, so many answers, all waiting around the corner... He's important for good reason. Let's hope we finally get to meet him one day. (And fight him, because... well, we all know that'd be a rad as fuck fight).

[@Benzinilinguine]

10:30 The more likely reason is that Dess went missing years before the story starts in Ch1. Everyone has accepted it and moved on, except her family, who still talk about her.

[@Yuti640]

certainly at least Clamgirl will be important, since Toby is literally teasing her existence with the Clamguy fake out in Chapter 2

[@Narnes64]

This is actually a really fascinating look at Dess. It really connects her to the main story in an interesting way

[@matveyr8621]

I always thought Monster Kid Goner is his alternative version that dies after falling off the bridge

[@QSBraWQ]

So then, the donut guy is version of him who didn't pay for donut and got eaten alive. The ficus licker still stood there for an eternity, withering away himself.

[@CalvinNoire]

​@@QSBraWQ The Bird/Face Goner broke his neck and died (That's why your head should never be like that guys!)

[@QSBraWQ]

@@CalvinNoire but aren't they fine with same neck position in Delta rune?

[@CalvinNoire]

​​@@QSBraWQ That's because there hasn't been a terrible accident, YET. What if he trips and falls to the front? HE IS COOKED.

[@yourMoonstone]

oooh i never noticed the word december is never said out loud. thats a great observation! i think youre onto something with that being a side effect of being a goner. i like the idea that the connection and memories keeps people alive! good stuff dood c:

[@art_durdio]

The whole power connection to memories makes me think of mother 3, where you have to share your ‘memories’ with frogs to save your game.

[@turtle2421]

highly agree here. the way the mother 3 town collectively starts to forget about claus while his family refuses to accept his potential death (flint cannot stop looking for him, even when it leads to him outright neglecting lucas) is very similar to dess' situation. as well as lucas and noelle both being the reserved, sweeter younger sibling contrast their rowdier, goofy older sibling. memory in mother 3 is really important to the final area (a huge spoilers-related worldbuilding twist), as well as duster forgetting who he is etc.

[@theorycrafter300]

I think I have something too add about memory's. in Undertale there is also a fair amount of stuff related to memories like the memory heads and that they give you bad memory's and this is in the true lab (something very connected to Gaster). I think this could be broken down into 2 different "ideas" of memories !the good ones and the bad ones! obviously I think that Gaster represents the bad ones for many reasons and I think in a way that Gaster might still be "alive" like Dess is but all the remains are the 'bad memories" of him. and I think that Dess represents the good ones! I think deltarune could be a game not only be a game about memories but about good ones and bad ones. to sum it up. maybe by Looking too far into deltarune or doing the "weird routes" all that we will end up finding is "bad memories" or maybe even creating bad memories like in the snowgrave route (or maybe even after the secret bosses just look at Kris's reaction after fighting Spamton in the regular route). and we will end up "reviving Gaster" only after finding or creating enough bad memory's while trying to find Dess. But maybe if we just leave things alone "letting sleeping dogs lie" than in a sense Dess will live on forever with only our good memories of her. her living in our hearts! and us not forgetting her is the only way the only true way that she will ever live again by us not forgetting about her and her living in our hearts. that is the only true way to not let Dess die or for her to essentially live on forever! just a theory tho

[@Shark_036]

I think the memory heads will be relevant in deltarune, they aren t recalled for as a callback to the amalgam in the graveyard and the 1 voiceline they have, that s be seeing you, despite we never see them again ever if not in the credits I think those blobs are about to fuck shit up

[@CalvinNoire]

There's actually a very insightful theory on Deltarune/Undertale. Where they connect the BADMEMORY item with the EGGS in Deltarune. You should watch that.

[@panflurr]

dear spookydood, i can confidently say that your videos keep my autism-riddled brain safe from drying up, crumbling and being blown away by the wind while waiting for other chapters to come out. thank you for giving me food for thought in these hungry times.

[@danifaragoi3709]

Mood

[@mindavery]

I heavily recommend playing or researching this game series called Brandish (most specifically the first 2 games), they're often overlooked inspirations of Deltarune, like, really, really big inspirations, I believe learning more about it may be the key to predicting where Deltarune will go.

[@juanj3351]

Imagine it's like in Coco where once you're completely forgotten in the real world, you disappear completely. Where mama coco only had a picture of Victor and was the only one left to remember him til miguel came along and pretty much (even through some mistakes and misunderstandings about someone esle he thought he was related too) miguel reminded who victor was

[@Junnneee]

This is really interesting. I think you've hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points, but I also think there's also probably something we've all overlooked and forgotten(hehe) as well. An ending where we drag Dess and Gaster back... Now that would be very interesting indeed.

[@Christianburn-tq5mo]

this is a pretty basic theory, but in the end of chapter one when the soul is trapped in the bird cage the movement isn't smooth as it usually is. you have to repeatedly press the arrow keys to get it to move in a certain direction which means the soul is in a weakened state similar to kris'. so it looks like the soul and kris have a symbiotic relationship

[@BwanNotHere]

One word **U N D E R R A T E D**

[@hadalwisp3075]

I think you misspeled Undertale

[@kilicool64]

Still watching this, but before I forget, I want to note that Hyper Goner is unlikely to be related to the goners. Legends of Localization: Book 3 revealed that Toby informed Undertale's translation team that this attack's name is a reference to Goner, the ultimate attack by the final boss of Final Fantasy VI. He also noted that retaining the reference isn't important, only that it should sound "extremely powerful and cool." The team decided to translate is as Hyper Missing, since Missing is the Japanese name of that attack.

[@kiwipomegranate]

The freeze frame at 9:11 is a family guy(?) character with text underneath that reads: "Kris is the knight"

[@braydenschreiber5355]

Honestly, I get what you are putting down with the whole "memories" thing. In my opinion it can go two ways(assuming every chapter will have a weird route) In the normal route, we are gonna find Dess. The character that actually matters to the story of deltarune, that matters to Noelle, to Kris, and the entire town we see. While, in the weird route, we are gonna find Gaster. Gaster since Undertale came out has been a fandom obsession, a player obsession. And, the weird route in general is meant to be where the player takes more control. Making Kris do things they don't want to do, whispering in Noelle's ear, etc. We/The Player are steering the game in the direction we want for own devices, for our own wants. If this goes exactly how I proposed it, with the player being why gaster is brought back, while Kris and Noelle the actual characters are how Dess comes back... you could make deltarune one big commentary on Fandom as a whole. Have you ever watched a show and went "Oh, but why they didn't do this? This is what I wanted!" Like you had expectations for something to happen, but the writers/directors/creators had no intention of actually doing that thing? Thats what could Deltarune could be leading towards in a more literal sense. The fandom wants Gaster. The fandom wants an answer to the mystery we've been having for the last 8 years. So, what do we do? We force it, we play god, and we get what we want. It's like you stole someone's script and wrote it the way you wanted it. This could all be stupid ranting due to the fact that Toby has said its only one ending, but hey its just a theory A GAME THE-

[@user-it7rw7vt8j]

yeah but gaster is an important character, he'll probably be the most important character in deltarune

[@Litepaw]

I tried to make an anagram from "goners". Please dont make the same mistake 💀

[@dhark0n332]

What did you spelled?...

[@CG09_TMP]

​@@dhark0n332Gerson probably

[@GoodOlJenkinsYT]

Gersons?

[@CG09_TMP]

@@GoodOlJenkinsYT "Gerson" without the S at the end

[@sinkingwrench]

⚫️

[@supershyguy1476]

“Will Alphys end up the same way?” What does Alphys end up doing in a lot of the neutral routes?

[@CalvinNoire]

**Lightning strikes** (You know the picture..)

[@Kirbyissocool]

There are 5 goners, 6 if we include the mystery man sprite. There are 6 humans besides Chara and Frisk that fall into the underground. What if the goners aren’t controlled by dead monsters, but by the other humans that fell into the underground and were killed by Asgore?

[@TheSkyGuy77]

😳

[@theprofessorpickler]

One thing I wanna point out in regards to what the Goners are is that in the True Lab it’s pointed out that they were specifically looking for monsters that had “Fallen Down”. This is presumably a state outside of death given that monster bodies disintegrate on death and they would’ve presumably had a body to actually inject Determination into, but it’s worth noting that *these specific monsters* were worried to have become Goners. Why is this relevant? Well why exactly did Toby choose to refer to whatever happens to monsters here as “Falling Down”? Well for one not only is Gaster notably found inside whatever The Depths are, which obviously point to being somewhere below with the name, but for two and arguably the more interesting point is that Frisk is shown to have LITERALLY fallen down into the Underground at the very start of the game, and what happens immediately after is that we as the player gain control of them as our protagonist. Now that’s not necessarily to say oh yeah Frisk is dead the whole time in Undertale, that’s a bit much, but it’s worth noting that if Goners are supposedly vessels that can be used by a host to control for whatever reason, and the Fallen Down monsters in the True Lab were worried to be Goners, AND the game makes a point to involve us players as our specific entities in the game world, our protagonist literally falling down before we puppet them around for 5 hours or so is an insane detail if true. Crackpot idea but I wanted to share

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

knowledge is power, memories are knowledge, memories are power

[@DJ_the_idiot]

16:55 in my personal opinion I think the genocide route is more like a creepypasta than gaster

[@RoboVenom55]

If we are ever able to play as the Vessel in future chapters I want to be able to disappear like the Gaster followers, we had the option to run from battles in Undertale which is conventiently absent from Deltarune so this ability would be fitting.

[@Barakon]

The goners are just heartless aren't they? ???: I like plants * A palm tree then falls upon my mushy head, killing me instantly, but I survive through the power of perseverance!* Aye MOTHER OF FUCK!

[@guiltyflygon]

Hi! I made a video detailing a Deltarune theory a bit ago tackling the idea of dreams in Deltarune, and I think our concepts go together quite well. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts, so here's the sparknotes: To start, this theory purposes that Darkners are made from connotations, the additional meanings behind an object that aren't inherent to their function, but follow them nonetheless. For example, we know that Rouxls Kaard is a rules card in the light world and rules cards have the connotations of being overly wordy and useless in an actual card game, which seems to parallel Rouxls's way of speaking and overall joke-boss status. You can jump through these hoops for almost every Darkner pretty easily. Maus is a computer mouse that acts like a real mouse, Ruddin's are greedy because diamonds are associated with wealth (and also the power rangers for Rudinn Ranger), even Queen might take on her motherly traits because she's got a "motherboard". Though, there are specific cases where it definitely seems like there is something more going on. The NEO body for example has a ton of power despite being a simple drawing, or Seam's relationship with Jevil... However, connotations aren't just on a macro level. They're also on a personal level. If, say, the person who created the dark fountain in the unused classroom had been in that classroom before and thus had a relationship with some of those toys... Then things suddenly make sense. And that's where we start to border into your discussion of memories here. After all, what is a memory other than a personal association with something that isn't inherent to it's being? It's meaning your are imposing on an object. So if you were to create a Dark World with objects that you have deep memories with... you could essentially create anything. (That angel doll in the hospital that was made by Noelle and Dess starts to feel really important suddenly) My theory ends with a bit of a shot in the dark, but what else can you expect from a Deltarune theorist lol. Gaster was said to be "shattered across time and space". Do you know what else you could consider shattered across time and space? Your memory. Perhaps Gaster's goal is to create a dark world so vast that everything and everyone that has even a tiny memory of him is swallowed up in it, and thus, he can be completely reborn. That could even explain what Survey Program's function is. It's Gaster plucking all the individuals that have memories of him from wherever they're from, including us, and assembling them all in one little town where his influence can slowly but surely grow. Also, just as an additional concept to bolster your theory here in regards to Noelle and memories, Ralsei states that breaking bonds with darkners (aka fighting them) has the power to make you stronger. So, perhaps the weird route is all about breaking those connections for the purposes of freedom, while the normal route is all about building them into Gaster.

[@neocricket9300]

human... i remember you're *fictions*

[@galvinvoltag]

The Dancing Gaster Jumpscare when I hover over the video, oh my God.

[@vikas_room]

i do really like connections being a running theme! ive always considered the main thesis of deltarune with relation to the question of "what is the point of art?" being "the relationships it lets you build", and you can see this with kris and susie. with regards to memories being power, i think that holds a lot of weight given stuff like the memoryheads and bad memories from undertale (i think P-Rise(??) did a theory to the effect of the eggs being bad memories, and that noelle treating her SPECIAL egg with kindness allowed for it to move on), and of course "don't forget" as you mentioned quite a lot :P the sort of two... routes? yeah, the two routes you propose (Dess or Gaster) might tie in with the trajectory of the weird route, where by peeling back the layers of deltarune's world, leaving destruction and sorrow in your wake in the name of searching for More, you find the ultimate easter egg (gaster himself). i can see the weird route ending similar to the genocide route, but perhaps more definitively? once you've exhausted all there is of deltarune, you can no longer go back to that world. in Dess' case, you and the main cast learn to accept the end of a world, you as the player taking your banishment from the game in stride, the memories you formed with your new friends propelling you forward. you (and the cast) will never forget the time you spent together, and that matters more than any dark world ever could on its own (play oneshot!!! its really good!!!!) ive also always found it interesting how _old_ of a concept noelle is. she dates back to at the very least the original FUN GANG drawing (2014/15?), and seeing as she's not one of the three heroes, it makes me wonder what her role was, and why it was important enough for her to have had an established character and personality. so yeah good video all things considered 👍 kris isnt the knight though (i am shot in the chest)

[@SansBeLazy]

found the channel and now I'm interested! keep up the good work bud! ✨

[@DogDogGodFog]

It's crazy to think just how much death is mysticized in Toby Fox's games. Makes me think that the topic of death must be something really personal to him, considering how he never gets tired of writing about it.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Maybe it was a result of that fever dream he had...

[@josecorzo5517]

For the deltarune fandom. Chess relations Black king: king Black queen: queen Black knight 2: ??? Black knight 1: maybe roulx kaard Black bishop 1: ??? Black bishop 2: ??? Black tower 1: ??? Black tower 2: ??? White king: Assgore White queen: Toriel White knight 1: maybe kris White knight 2: maybe papyrus or Berdly White bishop 1: maybe asriel White bishop 2: maybe Noelle White Tower 1: ??? White Tower 2: ???

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

I do love how this and your Angel’s Heaven theory play into each other. There’s been a popular resurgence of the idea that Gaster probably isn’t this maniacal sinister boogeyman, that he is friend and not foe… which I appreciate. But I don’t think the sinister feeling of his mystery is for the lols either. I really think that Gaster will end up being a very tragic, very haunting villain indeed. As terrifying and threatening, yet as understandable and sympathetic, as the secret bosses we’ve seen so far. The kind of really memorable, gut wrenching character that you feel caught between wanting to hug and wanting to point a crucifix at. Someone truly scary, not just because of the threat he poses, but also because of the things that happened TO him, what he’s GOING through. The kind of really meaningful, compelling character that Toby is really good at writing.

[@gjk-arts5855]

This is so well made!! Really really interesting theory!

[@mads8638]

this is THE deltarune theory to me. this really ties everything together super neatly.

[@silverstar4505]

You said it was a crack theory but, it's actually pretty sound? Good job, I had a great time!

[@Minal_Aurapine]

9:11 Kris is the knight

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

11:28 FMA 13:10 reminds me of The Giver, where people die and are "Lost" 14:54 ohhh so it's like CCC

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

0:57 1. they're gone 2. they're gone 3. they're gone 3. because he's gone. LOL

[@JmtcOriginal]

What about that random "Kris is the knight" Frame 😭

[@stardust-reverie]

this is the most insightful and on point DR theory i’ve seen in a longass time, damn fine work

[@philltheotherguy1868]

Can’t wait to watch the latest addition to the spookyverse

[@mossweaver]

While this is little more then just me spouting off a goofy observation, I do want to mention this anyway for fun- I've seen people correlate goners with Gerson, since it's a anagram and such, but what's interesting is that the actual meaning of the name Gerson is "stranger or exile" which kinda matches the goner vibe, and it makes me wonder whether it's intentional, or just an interesting coincidence, since Gerson seemingly(?) has some sort of meta awareness of some kind, with him saying something along the lines of "I don't fear you because you can't do anything to me here." when you walk into his shop and try threatening him during a genocide run in undertale I don't think he has any sort of role in deltarune, other then just being a dead guy, so I doubt this observation will matter, but it's kinda interesting nonetheless

[@infizer0]

This video is so fantastic. This theory actually makes so much sense, I feel like it's been so long since I've seen someone posit a really unique and groundbreaking Deltarune theory that totally changes how I look at things!

[@mememindmind1010]

Memory is the Key

[@TheSkyGuy77]

"they came, they saw, they Gaster'd" 😆😂

[@Max-ep5ir]

Asgore was the police chief in the town but he was fired presumably after failing to locate/save Dess, which is what drove the two families apart and caused Asgore and Toriel to break apart... I think.

[@TheGreatSayaMan0212]

This theory is just as cool as your angels hell theory I believe this one more than that one because I don’t necessarily think he’s evil Good work!

[@MoonlitLillypop]

The stuff with the goners still leaves the question of why they look the way they do. The goners all look vaguely like other monsters but the vessel is clearly human.

[@NeoKat75]

Where did this whole "the depths" come from? Just a purely fanbase thing aka The Void?

[@jirtini]

I might be misremembering things, but I believe the term “the depths” comes from the name of the background during the Goner Maker section in the opening of the game. In the files the background image is called Depth. This connects to a line from Jevil saying “Hell’s roar bubbles from the depths.” As far as I know, the rest of the depth stuff is all just speculation.

[@bethanyandcloe3589]

This is a really cool and great theory I honestly feel that this is the best December holiday theory video I’ve ever seen I also think that there’s a pretty good chance you solved the game in this video

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Gaster tried to bring back "fallen down" monsters, to ""free"" them (put them under HIS control). So when one does a no mercy route, you're helping Gaster....

[@Benzinilinguine]

There is no way we *arent* getting chapter 3 this year. It has been 2 years since chapter 2. We will find out more around Halloween.

[@d_r_ummy]

With the concept of goners and that forming memories and keeping them (both for Kris and the player) would be one of the key themes of the whole game I think you hit the nail on the head. It made me think of certain things that stick to me like when for example Seam mentions something like the next (secret I believe?) boss will be pretty much impossible, that what if the fact that we as player remember certain parts of the game will substantially enhance Kris' chances in some encounters, but there could be an extra, bigger layer to this, that we could get a perhaps at least slightly happier ending (sticking hard to Jaru's timeloop theory) just because we helped Kris with remembering some things...

[@RmationYT]

I like to think goners could be undead zombies, that used to be fully alive, and when they are thought to be dead, and *forgotten*, a new soul takes a body similar to theirs, monster kid mightve actually came AFTER goner kid. And the reason why we are the only ones that can see them, is because our determination may match the determination they have.

[@ofconsciousness]

Made my day to see this in my notifications. Thanks for feeding the fandom. I really like your take on it. I do think memory is gonna be really significant since it's mentioned so much. Also this theory reminds me of Coco.

[@leedlelel2373]

8:07 LMAO YOU GAVE GASTER LITTLE FEET

[@kuroblakka]

Kris is the knight

[@3X3NTR1K]

One thing that hit me was the figurative aspect of Darkness acting as the shadows cast by the people (and objects) of the Lightner world. That is a KIND of connection, although the usually symbolism is entirely one sided. In this case they are two layers of reality, with with more layers added above and below. Angels above the Light, and Darker than Dark... So I'm this context is a Goner.... A shadow that lost what cast it? Or its light? It's heart? A hand puppet casting a similar shadow in their stead? Darkness being a place of memories does work in this context, I think. And how to save her? Maybe Noelle can use her light to cast her shadow back to the Light? Eh I dunno, I was reaching since word one. 😅 Aside from that, have one more nonsense: my take about banishing the Angels is that we - the PLAYERS - are the angels. And he needs to cut us (our reality is the Haven) off entirely to free himself and everyone else.

[@LunaSophiaZ]

love this video!! the subconscious mind programming that kris is the knight is a nice touch LMAO

[@SpamtonSlapper1997]

This is just good! I've known Gaster wasn't actually wiped from people's memories for a long time but I never had a thing to easily point to for what the goner kid is actually going no about, and that's not even the point of this video. Fantastic work Mr. Dood.

[@aimfulRenegade]

Alternate theory: the gaster followers are goners because he gasted them.

[@truegamer7760]

I honestly can't help but wonder if Gaster's motives are more heroic than people think, perhaps rather than just Dess or Gaster escaping we save them both.

[@basil14313]

man, it's going to be weird if/when we find out the truth about Gaster. I think a lot of the intrigue of his character depends on the mystery shrouding him - the ability he gives to fans to theorize, to make alternate universes, to give him a story. I'm excited to one day learn about Gaster's whole deal, but I do hope he remains somewhat mysterious.

[@wowie-zowie]

I love your vid! Can't Wait till your next stream!

[@Christopherjazzcat]

Interesting take. I love thinking about the different ways the story could go

[@Xesh]

Oh, the main game brings dess back. The weird route brings gaster back.

[@alejotassile6441]

So this is all just a "Dia de los muertos" plot?

[@normal6483]

I'm starting to think that, if not literally then symbolically, the reason no one talks fully about goners and Gaster and Dess is the same; it hurts to remember the dead and deceased. It's hard to talk about the people we've lost. Your video is spot on

[@silvertotodile6958]

This makes me think…and I know this sounds crazy, if this is true, Papyrus Knight would work CRAZY hard with it. Who’s forgotten so far in this game? Who’s been absent? Who WANTS to be remembered? Papyrus, that was a huge part of his role in Undertale, that thirst to be a hero whose name would be remembered for all time. If he’s the Knight…Gaster could “give” him that, if he *FINDS_HIM*. If Undertale’s Papyrus truly is the one from Deltarune…he could’ve gotten there by being plunged into the depths, and Gaster effectively swapping their roles in this reality. One is gone, the other stays.

[@TheGreatSayaMan0212]

OH MY GOD

[@DK_731]

Gaster Holiday

[@gingergingey8271]

I slowed down the video just to see what that quick image flash at 9:10 was.

[@jonieljoestarzawarudo8172]

My theory is that we'll find Dess by BLJ'ing out of bounds, Dess will be like "KRIS!? HOW DID YOU FIND ME HERE!?" and we'll be like "Did you forget? Every day is a Mar10 day.".

[@cpr2452]

memories bring back memories bring ba-

[@cpr2452]

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[@theblindfoldedbirdwatcher570]

Fun fact: In (I think the official Undertale art book), Toby talks about the term "Hyper-goner" as a reference to Kefka's "Goner" attack in the North American 94 release of Final Fantasy III (VI). The actual name of the attack would be more akin to "missing" but was mistranslated. It wouldn't surprise me if Toby was taking from some of the "creepy stuff" from Final Fantasy VI (He parodies the opera scene with Mettaton in Undertale at one point.). Granted, some of the creepy/supernatural stuff in the Final Fantasy VI has ties, I believe, to some of the supernatural stuff from Final Fantasy III (like Cloud of Darkness), Final Fantasy IV (Zemus'/Golbez's mind control), and Final Fantasy V (again, mind control/supernatural stuff from characters such as Exodus (Ex-Death)). I have found that Secret of Mana/Final Fantasy Adventure also has mind control themes, and in Secret of Mana's case in particular, we have a cult (to which I suspect the cult in FFVI is taken from) and a bunch of other supernatural stuff. My point is Toby Fox is likely taking the "Creepypasta"/unnatural elements from these games to form Undertale and Deltarune. We also have proof that Fox was influenced by Live A Live to a degree, which has a poignant yet dark story near the end of that particular game.

[@Ajdin_1103]

Tobi fox going on youtobe just to see that somebody already guessed everything there is about the game:

[@SenpaiBrando]

If what you say about the goners is true, then I think it would make sense for the Knight to be Gaster. I mean you say that Gaster can interact with the world by possessing lifeless bodies, and guess what Kris takes out his soul before becoming the red-eyed Kris. Also, the Entry 17 can be interpreted as Gaster somehow creating a Dark Fountain, then it would mean that Gaster is as far as we know the only person who knows how to create them. Now this is super crack but an explanation to why Gaster possess Kris in particular, we know Kris is obsessed with the occult, it might be that Kris while trying to 'bring back' Dess with who knows what ritual, maybe because of the player obsession with Gaster, maybe because he and Dess are in the same kind of place, but he brought back Gaster instead. Why would he do this you may ask, my idea is that since Dark World are influenced by the thoughts of Lighteners, for someone who's only link with reality being people's memories it's probably a place they can influence more easily (Dess for example can talk through Spamton) so throughout the game we could se Dess and Gaster slowly becoming more and more real

[@lourdespachla6516]

YOU CAN ONLY DIE ONCE FORGOTTEN, I HAVE ALREADY BEEN FORGOTTEN, AND I AM ALIVE... OR WOULD THIS CONTRADICT MY OWN EXISTENCE? WELL, ATLEAST YOU KNOW WHY I AM A PARADOXICAL GONER.

[@TheCollector2401]

Mother 3 music! I love when ppl use Mother 3 music

[@mateoostorero2223]

Deltarune ending will be a Persona ending, with Kris succeeding via the power of bonds and connections

[@jackatk]

18:38 I don’t think the Gaster theorists are “mainstream players”… you have to be pretty obsessed to know about him lol So what’s the draw for mainstream players then?

[@spr_man]

In DELTARUNE monsters never use magic, and most of them lack HOPES AND DREAMS of UNDERTALE's counterparts. In case of Mettaton and their dream to gain a body like in UT, their hopes can power magic in DT (Spamton Neo). The same can be applied to all lightners that visited the dark world. Unlike MTT, their magic is boosted despite not having many hopes/dreams and therefore is weaker. Perhaps Kris's DETERMINATION to quit the player's control (or the KNIGHT's other kind of power) makes the dark fountains much stronger, to the point of boosting all magic in their reach. I wrote this for myself in a notepad and just happened to realise it could be posted as a comment here. Sorry if it's messy, but basically what I'm trying to say - replace memories with hopes and dreams and the theory makes even more sense

[@guytakeda8258]

I think the idea about Deltarune being a means to summon/create something the player is looking for is very interesting, because I had a similar notion that sort of dovetails into it. I think that Gaster's experiment involves seeing to what extent a Determined soul can break out of boundaries that are set in stone by the universe. Now in ch1, we get the Chara fakeout at the end, and then in ch2 we have the Weird Route. Ch1 did not have a weird route. Now consider that Chara describes themself in the UT genocide route as a " demon that comes when you call its name", what i think is going on is that the Weird route only exists because the player wants to find one, and we're effectively willing the worst version of Chara into being by trying to force a genocide route onto a game that isn't supposed to have one, hence why you need to wipe out cyber city by proxy.

[@guytakeda8258]

Accidentally skipped a thought. meant to say that the Weird Route has to exist in ch2 because we had no reason to believe Chara might exist in Deltarune until after we saw Kris's knife, and it was at that point that we "called the demon's name"

[@georgewebb9074]

Great gaster theory spooky dood

[@dantefilsdesparda]

Funny, I was watching your Valentine's card video a second time when I saw this one came out ! I really love your videos, relevant everytime and there's always this good atmosphere ^^

[@gabrote42]

8:34 I am somewhat skeptical of the "remnant of the dead" part of this setup, given what is known anout monsters souls and dust essence, but I am intrigued. 13:00 Good thing that I am an SCP and ISaT fan as well or I would be skeptical 16:48 Memory anchors in the style of Mexican culture? Classic 19:13 Having to pick wether to look for her OR Gaster with changes to the setup to the ending might be cool

[@shadowofroserade]

take a shot every time spookydood says connection, you'll be dead before you can say "gaster"

[@Watchinglisteningandnoting]

There is in fact a spot where December is deliberatley spelled out. When Noelle and Kris are doing the switch puzzle, Noelle starts going on a nostlagia trip and talks about Dess and Azzy.. And each button she steps on is another letter of the word December.