Created over a year ago and found me today! Thank you for reminding me and God bless! Praise the Lord!
@ouranoswealthgroup704211 ай бұрын
‘When he stops whispering and you start reciting it.’ *I got chills* EVIL. …reciting it as your word straight to manifestation. That’s wild!! & so true. That strategy is SLIMY and SLICK!! Just like the destroyer of good. Checkmate.
@alwaysfacingtheSonАй бұрын
My God is so great 🎉🎉🎉 Thank You Yeshua!!! ❤❤❤
@ana_smith2 ай бұрын
I just have no words, no comments.... Too much power in just one conversation 🔥😮. THANK YOU AND GOD
@JazminArmstrong10 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure this saved my walk with the Lord. I’m ready to sit up now. 🥲
@FollowThePillar10 ай бұрын
🙏❤️🙏
@kamaniflowers3437 ай бұрын
Yes sit up and EAT!
@mariamunozpiz6070 Жыл бұрын
In 2012 I was suicidal that was that dark cloud but Jesus found me and began a work in me. Been in the wilderness ever since but counting it all joy
@joannekrayer19 күн бұрын
This was EXACTLY what I needed. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y. Yahtzee! ✝️🙌🌠
@erinvanwykkАй бұрын
The vulnerability, wisdom and yet light-heartedness of this video is amazing and a true blessing. Thank you, men of God. Thank you, God, for imparting your wisdom and counsel through this video
@starbritenh26 күн бұрын
Pastors this messages ring so true for half Americans today. Thank you for these videos that we can turn to to hear God a little bit better. I stay in word but your videos are so beautifully aligned with bible and God's love
@ouranoswealthgroup704211 ай бұрын
‘Disappointment weaponizes your pain’ Amen re examine. Reflect. 💯
@Jansew18327 ай бұрын
Talk about a Masterclass in defeating anxiety, depression and oppression may God bless you both for your obedience and teaching!
@auzziezworld11 ай бұрын
I love how geeked up they get when exposing the enemy lol Praise GOD
@kamrynduling9163 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm the one lamenting the loss of a brother. He just passed unexpectedly 2 weeks ago. It's one of the hardest things I've ever endured. Everyone keeps praying for comfort and all I want is for Jesus to sit in my pain with me. As to what y'all said in the episode all I want is for God to sit in this cut with me. There's so many things that you spoke on that spoke to where I'm at right now. Thank you for the conviction around reading my bible. I've only picked it up once since everything went down. And I know I need it now more than ever. It's time to eat.
@nondumisomadlala1692 Жыл бұрын
May the LORD JESUS indeed come and sit with you my dearest Sis. Last year May I was there and as i cried every night on the pillow, all I could say is "Help me LORD JESUS". I went to church prayer, I couldn't sing, couldn't lift up my hands but just cried (sat with GOD) whole hour in HIS house and in HIS presence. I went again the next month and did the same... just stood there crying and I uttered "May the LORD bless me and keep me" - the ground was so shaky i had to pray that unto myself. my appetite was shut off completely by grief... something that had never happened to me, to hardly eat for 4 full weeks. Lastly, I woke up daily and went to work and hence the cries were at night. And 4 weeks later I laughed for the very first time and the sun shined then on in my grief yes as it takes time / years even and even a lifetime. May HE keep YOU.
@styleonrotation Жыл бұрын
I just want to tell you this truth…over the lie that has been planted, The Lord is with you he is sitting right with you in what you are facing right now, For he says he will never leave you nor forsake you 🙏🏾 I thank God for your life and for the life of your brother, I pray for you to feel God’s presence and for Him to heal your heart & mind with His truth written above, May you see and know Him in a new way in Jesus name Amen 🙏🏾
@krnglmr33 Жыл бұрын
I lost my brother suddenly as well in 2019. I was so angry with God but a friend of mine gave me the best advise ever: make sure you seek God. At the time I didn't know what she meant and I wasn't really feeling it. BUT I found myself going to Him more and more...angry, depressed, suicidal, all of it. He brought me out. He rescued my life! He is with you l, look to Him. Love you sis.
@DarknessFalls29 Жыл бұрын
I lost my brother 9 years ago to his own hands. I'm still wondering why? Not sure if Jesus will answer that burning question.😢
@julymorisom Жыл бұрын
I am sorry! I went through difficult seasons too and if I can give you an Advice is cry to God and don’t isolate yourself. May our Lord Jesus keeps you company in this difficult time
@clairekitao4798 Жыл бұрын
That girl in a corner was me. I don't usually cry watching a pod but this one had me bawling my eyes out. After the pod i went straight to prayer and i cried out to God, i cannot tell you the massive healing i got when He spoke to me. Thanks a lot for doing the pod, may God receive the glory
@abbeyabernathy1606 Жыл бұрын
“Some wounds don’t need to heal. We just need to live in it. That’s why Jesus came back with His still there.” Wow
@ouranoswealthgroup704211 ай бұрын
‘Whatever you been lyin in, just sit up’ Cuz the Holy Spirit will do the rest after that act of faith. My God! POWERRRRRR!!!!
@DaphneTruelove Жыл бұрын
SIT UP, GET UP, EAT!!!! Today, tomorrow, & all the days of your life. Thank you Pastor Tim & Pastor Preston
@PatriciaRose9072 ай бұрын
"... And he STILL has promises for you" 😢🙏🏽♥️
@LauraS-qi6gu Жыл бұрын
What just happened? I almost threw up, i cried, i sobbed, i rejoiced, i learned, I'm hungry...i don't even know what's going on here. As a testimony, I recently, with complete and total help from the incredibly loving God of the Universe, got out from under the worst dark cloud I've ever experienced and this was SO good, timely and Spirit- filled i don't even.... Thank you. This cut went deep but oh my my my...
@dinamac017 ай бұрын
Love you! Happy for you!
@godlover99183 ай бұрын
Why has this video not gone viral to all the wounded warriors out there. This has changed everything for me. "GET UP SIT UP AND EAT!!"
@TOSORIO-q8h4 күн бұрын
Rewatching and I’m the girl in the corner. Please pray for me. Amen
@tavia.a.m Жыл бұрын
Sit up, get up, and eat... reminds me of 1 Kings 19:4-8... when Elijah asked for God to take his life and an Angel came and said "Arise and eat." It always rubbed me the wrong way when I was troubled because it felt like God didn't care that he was so troubled and depressed. But now, thanks to you both and the Glory of God, I can see a new perspective. And I've tied 2 Corinthians 12:9 to 1 Kings 19. He sees us, He knows we are hurting, AND (as Tim says) His grace is sufficient enough to carry us through. Thank you both very much 🤎
@godspd142 Жыл бұрын
“Egypt isn’t for me - but the path to the promise may be more difficult than I anticipated” The weight behind this is indescribable
@troymillerpgh2 ай бұрын
Wow. I caught this in podcast/audio form at first and didn't realize this was from 11 months ago! I'm deeply under the cloud right now and this came up exactly when I needed it. Thank you.
@PatriciaRose9072 ай бұрын
Same
@nikkimaddox383110 ай бұрын
Thank yall for this wow !
@reneesilmon8304 Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t write fast enough and rewound several times to not miss the saving points! I am overwhelmed and in plain awe of GOD and how He spoke through you both!! My GOD I THANK YOU!!! Change the narrative- never agree with a liar This one got me - satan doesn’t lie to GOD because he can’t! GOD says a liar can’t tarry in my sight! I have NEVER heard this put this way and it makes so much sense! Satan drives to darkness but GOD leads us to the light.. He is the light… there’s SO much more here
@theangelinreallife Жыл бұрын
I am the girl in the corner ---- speechless, all I can say is thank you x 1000.
@TheKelliLam9 ай бұрын
It’s WILD this was on a whim! This touched my soul because it answered so many questions I didn’t know how to formulate and ask. I’ve listened three times within 12 hours. So many gems to find, understand, and apply. It’s the sermon and didn’t know I needed to hear. Grateful for both of you 🙏🏽
@Ambers_Walking_In_Freedom7 ай бұрын
"Disappointment weaponizes your pain" 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
@princessdi7022 ай бұрын
1:04:39 - This reminds me of a province in my mother’s country (Philippines), where a storm pretty much flooded an entire town, and yet they still went to church to praise God, even when the water was up to the waistline. When a news reporter asked one of the church members why they went to church,… if memory serves me correctly, they said that since we are still here, we will still praise God. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@nikamoff58359 ай бұрын
YOUR SITUATION AINT GOTTA CHANGE........ YOU GOTTA CHANGE!!!! Lord Lord Lord 👏👏👏
@TheBasementPodcast Жыл бұрын
WE LOVE YOU!!!
@NaomiRaeKarake11 ай бұрын
Amen - and he still has promises for you - even if it’s not in the same city 😮 thank you for this conversation
@reclaimingyourvoice Жыл бұрын
My brothers are savages ready for war!!! WHEWW Jesus help me! Sooo gooood!!!!
@angielovesshoes10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your obedience and for doing this Lord knows I needed to hear this.
@nikamoff58359 ай бұрын
Lord I can listen to you guys all day!!!! I went from your Wilderness video to this one because I cried the other day to someone on the phone and literally was crying out why it seems there is a dark cloud over me.......one thing after another, hit after hit on my finances. I feel like I just cant get a break but THIS RIGHT HERE IS SPEAKING LIFE INTO WHAT SEEMS LIKE A DEAD SITUATION WITH MY FINANCES. WOOOOO Jesus I THANK YOU LORD Hallelujah!!! ........GIRL GET UP!!!!! 💃💃💃💃 GOD BLESS YOU BOTH!!!!!
@ihavethefloorpodcast2 ай бұрын
What a conversation.. God bless you both! AMEN
@TebriaC Жыл бұрын
Heyyy POTC(people of the cut) family it’s always a good show when we can pull up a seat with Tim and Preston
@ouranoswealthgroup704211 ай бұрын
‘They got a blueprint for how to handle the next dark cloud’ 💯💯💯💯💯 Yessss, Cuz they don’t stop comin no matter how u might wish them away. You will have to manage them. All leaders do
@kristenreidx Жыл бұрын
That was for me. GOD! LORD HAVE MERCY ON ME! THAT WAS FOR ME!!
@wildyac8077 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Uncle Tim went innnn! Wow so many gems, so many…i don’t even know what words to put on it, but wow. I’m gonna listen to this again because wow!
@rickybaker7123 Жыл бұрын
The Lord used the algorithm so I could watch this today!! I’ve been in a funk since my divorce that was completely my fault and this has stopped me in my tracks from coping with more fornication. Thank you Lord I can take this L and receive the sufficient grace.
@vanessacastagnoli11262 ай бұрын
Wow! This spoke to my heart! Every piece of this conversation. I feel blessed to have heard it.
@gcarla8706 Жыл бұрын
Get up! Out of the dark-corner. Set up ! For your light has come. Eat! The word of God. I’m am blessed beyond words. Thank you 🙏
@Jacque_Njoroge Жыл бұрын
Halleluyaaaah!! Thank you Jesus. Light of the World
@redpandavlogs248911 ай бұрын
Wow, wow, wow! Everything comes full circle. So much wisdom from the Lord and healing for those in the dark night of the soul and in 1.18 minutes. Thank you!
@april7872 Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing podcast. I am in a battle right now, but I am the one who is praising and worshipping Jesus still.
@lazinameyer8127 Жыл бұрын
Wow wowWOW!!!brothers lost for words at such Godly Revelations. I pray God that a lot of chains are breaking off in the lives on God,s people. Thank you
@bekks_ Жыл бұрын
I’m suffering from own consequences at the moment. I could never blame God because I know he didn’t want me where I am now. It’s my own doing. It’s hard and I’m regretting many things but all I can do is remind myself that life will get better and even though I’ve gone against what God wanted, he’s still here for me. I’m legit at a low point. The enemy knows that too so I can’t let him win!
@Destiny-x3i6 ай бұрын
I’m proud of you!❤
@lashaysg95Ай бұрын
How are you?
@sherylwynn8007 Жыл бұрын
Wow, wow and Praise God!! This is so rich!! Sit up, get up and eat 🙌🏽 and we may as well drink from the fountain of life too🙌🏽 Thank you sons and servants of God🙏🏽
@jenniferferdinandnwafor6682 Жыл бұрын
I'm the girl you are talking to I've gotten up I'm stepping out of the darkness and into the light, thank you!!!! Thank you!!!!
@jenniferferdinandnwafor6682 Жыл бұрын
I'm just here crying, thank you lord for loving me enough to set this conversation up
@keyshajones116211 ай бұрын
The imagery in the first few minutes of the girl in the corner had me immediately burst into tears. I’ve been trying to claw my way out - I just wanted to say thank you for recording and listening to God… I didn’t know I would need this but all I know is I’m sitting up - getting up - and eating.
@Twixy-513 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Thank you, my brothers in Christ. God bless you.
@nancyfederoff2158 Жыл бұрын
This IS the BEST leaders cut you've ever done!!!!!
@elonadamhir68967 ай бұрын
I understood exactly what you were saying with the seducing spirit of depression. I was literally balled up on the corner of the bed just 2 days ago giving into that feeling of what I call "succumbing to the darkness" when you know that voice in your head is lying to you, and it's just feels easier to give in. I feel like God led me to this video, thank you! I love you guys.
@deenamorrison823 Жыл бұрын
This was for me, it feels like my 3-inch deep cut just got cleaned with saline solution. “Some cuts don’t heal, some have to be lived in”. That was the line for me. Thank you for this, I am the little girl in the corner.
@Ambers_Walking_In_Freedom7 ай бұрын
"The easiest time to talk to the enemy is when you're in pain" 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🤯👀 Lord, help me fix my eyes on You and You alone. May I hear and respond tto Your voice and Your voice alone. In Jesus name, Amen 🙏🏼 🙌🏼
@CROrsak Жыл бұрын
Wow. It’s me. Wow. Thank you Abba. Love yall
@cherylthomas83105 ай бұрын
I heard this podcast two days ago and today I'm sitting listening to it again and literally taking notes because it was a prophetic word for me! I was that girl in the corner defeated with fear and discouragement especially on that day and God allowed this podcast that was filmed 8 months ago pop up on my YT feed. I instantly came out from under that cloud after listening! Glory to God!
@firebald29153 ай бұрын
My daughter died in January 2024, my Mom is near death and a long distance 2year relationship has ended two weeks ago. Endings all around me. This CUT brought relief to my Soul. God's will, not mine, be done. Thank you !
@Keishandria__2 ай бұрын
just wana check on you & make sure you are still doing good? God is Good & this video was great but I never want you to feel alone, Your Christian brothers & sisters are still here for you. Love you ❤️
@firebald29152 ай бұрын
@Keishandria__ Actually, God's Grace has been large and full for me. I'm so thankful for all He has done during this time. Yet, He chose to hide me in the cleft of the Rock and brought out healing I needed other areas. Praise God, Jesus and the Comforting Holy Spirit. Thanks for your prayers and concern, much Love- stevie.
@shawntaewillis6256 Жыл бұрын
This was soooooo good! So many gems! Disappointment weaponizes your pain, depression holds your hand to death, to Eve. Just so good! Thank you gentlemen.
@aspiringheroine Жыл бұрын
I watched this yesterday, but I'm coming back now that I've organized my thoughts. At 21, I know without a doubt that I'm the girl that you described in the opening, so much so that i burst into tears just hearing you reiterate that image. I believe I received a word from God from at the beginning of this month about what the end of my year would look like, and I've been frenetic about it, fearing that I wasn't doing my part and that He would take his "promise" away from me because of that. I've been attacked spiritually every evening for the past two weeks with hateful thoughts uncommon to me (usually, I struggle with being self-critical of my performance, but these insults focused on my appearance), yet I couldn't escape them. I cried every night and even began to agree with the deprecating comments, wondering why I felt so weak against what I knew were darts of the enemy. This Leader's Cut showed me that I was 'jumping the gun' to disappointment before the end of the year, thinking that if the word I heard turned out to be false, it would hurt less then if I wallowed in these lies that felt like the truth now. This video made me realize that I may not know whether or not it was God that said the word I'm choosing to believe, so I may not know whether or not it will come to pass. But like I told Him this morning, whether He said it or I misheard...I don't have anywhere else to go. I can only follow the Pillar. Even if I wanted to walk away from Him in disappointment or depression, I don't think I could. What else is there worth following in this life? Thank you, Uncle Preston (if I can call you that😅) and Uncle Tim. Your obedience has helped me countless times, and this Leader's Cut was no different🤍
@heatherduhon808811 ай бұрын
This was sooo fire!!!
@briannaesther8130 Жыл бұрын
I was the girl in the corner in her funk. Thank you God for helping me see it differently. For a shift in perspective. 😭
@founciamartin8808 Жыл бұрын
I needed this so so much. Thank you. I'm getting UP. SITTING UP AND EATING. I GIVE YOU GLORY LORD JESUS
@ashleygrace1573 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a young woman battling fear during a custody battle, being sober for over 5 months and walking through financial hardship. The things that used to calm my fear are no longer a part of my life praise God. This is a piece of why everything feels bigger. Thank you for being led by the Holy Spirt every week. ❤
@Destiny-x3i6 ай бұрын
Praying for you ❤
@tonyah62611 ай бұрын
So good! Thank you for sharing!
@Misc.BCT.2023-lz4mo Жыл бұрын
I effing love this guy Kevin! I can’t wait to see Joshua on TV.
@aprilskye27 Жыл бұрын
Yes & amen.
@deed6041 Жыл бұрын
I literally am so full... so much of what was spoken, i resonate with... it's been two years since we lost our eldest child, our son, 18 years of age, to a brain tumor. God gave him more time than the diagnosis. The trauma and disappointment...whew...we were in ministry and growing. My challenge is, reconciling that painful, heart wrenching season with who I know and have already experienced God to be. I cannot escape Him, yet my loss is so great...I war and I cannot even begin to put into words the battlefield of my heart, my mind, my soul...if there was a cause and effect...if there was an action and reaction...maybe i can rationalize it all...whew...this conversation had...My Lord... Thank you both and Blessings to You!
@gbrown2179 Жыл бұрын
Wow! My niece sent me this and my God! Amazing word! Amazing nuggets that I WILL live by! Thank you so much, men of God!
@koreyT22 Жыл бұрын
I literally got goosebumps at the end of this podcast. This month alone I'm dealing with the lost of my grandma, huge financial struggles, and heartbreak all at once. I took notes the entire podcast and looking back on what I wrote my perspective has changed. I no longer feel like a victim but instead I feel god is with me even more than before and that the strength that im developing right now is needed for my next season. I will continue to praise him and be reminded on what he said about me. For the first time in a long time I see light at the end of the tunnel. Thank you both for an amazing episode!
@destinyfurfilled Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely the woman under the cloud i needed this message
@_fan831711 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. God spoke to me through you guys! Continue to be used by our lord and savior!
@nikitamcdonald6796 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this message! I didn't pass the Bar Exam this July and a dark cloud was on the rise, and this message caused me to get to the root of this outcome. NOW I am ready to GET UP, SIT UP, and EAT! Onwards to the February Bar!!! Thank you Tim Ross and Preston Morrison!!
@abelhara283511 ай бұрын
I didn't pass my medical license exam this November. I was under a dark cloud for weeks because I came so close but couldn't make the pass mark. On to the February exam!
@missleticia86 Жыл бұрын
Hi! Basement Dweller here! I love this convo. Can i just say that the expressions shared between you two are so awesome! Can definitely see the close connection with you. Love it!
@peterimmanuelking Жыл бұрын
Wow! This was so good! This video needs 100 million views! Thank you lord for giving Tim and Preston the platform to share your wisdom with us! Man, this was an eye opener! Sheesh! 🤲🏾
@kristolmethonfire7 ай бұрын
Watching you two get soooo high off the Word and each other is awesome.
@kimbunting3229 Жыл бұрын
Self aware and God aware
@sarahjohnsonfells Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This message was an answer to my hearts cry this morning letting me know he is present! God Bless!
@angelyoung20502 ай бұрын
When you described the woman in the corner….instantly heard God say, please listen….I need you to hear every word…I listened, I’m Soo emotional but I’m relieved because I needed to hear this stern yet comforting talk from God RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@_TajaNaja Жыл бұрын
This blessed me BEYOND words. I don't even know what to say except thank you for this.
@michelleblessed8581Күн бұрын
This blessed and taught me
@AlanaHamilton9 Жыл бұрын
Praise God, Is all I can say. Divine timing, divine connections, He always knows what we need & when we need it. Thank you Jesus for these men. The obedience is so prevalent. 🙏
@juliannemundell8429 Жыл бұрын
Wow just wow.
@0103mcmxciv Жыл бұрын
I have watched this back 3 times, to run back all the gems that were dropped in this episode. Truly, this episode changed me. It was so timely and I believe God intended for me to hear this. Thank you so much 🤍🤍🤍
@valerieolds625 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this segment. I’ve been saved for more than 25 years and when I lost my spouse I thought Hod forsook me. Listening and believing all the prosperity and victory messages didn’t prepare me for loss. Hod has brought me to the other side and your session confirmed sooo much I believe God has shown me through my healing. Thank you again ❤
@ashleyfranklin470810 ай бұрын
I have had this video saved in my “watch later” for such a time as this. I’m about halfway through it & y’all haven’t quite touched on my situation, but a little. It’s an expectations issue for me. I’m walking through a season of faith + obedience that has been much harder than I thought it would be. And God told me my finances would not be an issue in this season & yet they are. I got my dark cloud last week & it’s been tough. I blamed God for sure cause it feels like He isn’t holding up His end of the bargain. AND I know that feelings aren’t facts. I’m wading through it & we’ll see how things land. Fighting my way out. Thank you for this.
@mphol978410 ай бұрын
Hang on and keep showing up. God is right there with you. It doesn't have to be pretty and spiritual. Continue doing your part, which is to show up. The rest is up to Him.
@ouranoswealthgroup704211 ай бұрын
Ohhh, Tim, this might be the best interview I’ve ever seen you in. Or a very close second from your own show. Just wow! There is so much depth here. The accuser of the brethren… Righteousness is the will of God. The slave and pattern to sin is the weakness. Thank you God for the blood!! But that work of faith IS WOOOORRRRKKK!!!!! This is why we must BE READY to give an account for the hope that lies within as Paul tells us!
@Coast2coastwoman Жыл бұрын
How I wanted to cry when Preston said Satan’s biggest plays is to tell us what God hasn’t done. Yoooo. I felt that so hard because it happens every single time when I hit a major rough moment. These conversations are so fruitful. I pray that these conversations never end. Please ❤
@battisegreene7928 Жыл бұрын
You want believe a lie the more you hear the truth. simple but life changing!
@izzy319th Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was struggling so much, trying to get out of the funk I've been in, and when you talked about unmet expectations, and the heartbreak of disappointment, it finally clicked. I wasn't struggling with old habits, the struggle was against disappointment in myself and God. I feel so light hearted and unburdened now, because of your words. Thank you and God bless!
@kirstenross9328 Жыл бұрын
Tim talking about the Pharisees said “they wanted to stay legal” AFTER telling a story about how the Lord would not allow or merged him out of the legal system to speak to 10’s of thousands of vulnerabilities and Gods grace. Idk if you caught that too but I feel like that part of his testimony alone is a perfect example of everything he preached. The holy spirit is always at work on these pods. LOVE!!
@irenekaigo8847 Жыл бұрын
The best duo I know of, I always look forward to these pods.
@juneimosley1054 Жыл бұрын
Thank you , thank you, thank you. My cloud has been lifted.
@abby999 Жыл бұрын
as soon as you said young woman, tears came. they are flowing. i have been living a lie for well over 10 years. and even though my pure heart has never given up, i have lied and lied and lied because i am deathly afraid. this pod is a godsend, looking forward to finishing it.
@Sacious1989 Жыл бұрын
Wow Tim thank you for this story from your life. I am still wrestling with my past because I put Jesus glitter on it instead of taking the L 🤯🙌🏾😭
@mbalimkhwanazi9948 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this viewed it on the 11/11/2023 I was in such a funk. I allowed the enemy to lie to me. Felt the part about Paul plea, Yes I too made strong in my weakness. Thank you both for being lead and pointing me to food the bible
@LearsiMusic1 Жыл бұрын
Been in church for 29 years and never heard this perspective 😊