Gavin Ashenden & Rod Dreher in conversation."Culture, Crisis & the Catacombs.'Catholic Unscripted#4

Gavin Ashenden & Rod Dreher in conversation."Culture, Crisis & the Catacombs.'Catholic Unscripted#4

[@elizabethdarley8646]

I'm writing my art bio for an organisation. As soon as I mention my faith, I will most likely not be shown any more interest. I have little income right now but I will obey Our Blessed Lord and bravely state my Catholic faith. They are a committee and I will pray for their eternal souls.

[@elizabethdarley8646]

Is anyone here experiencing this?

[@DonalLeader]

Keep this up. Your life of truth will inspire others.

[@DonalLeader]

I would love to hear more extended discussion of the ‘corrosive spirituality’ that afflicts the Catholic Church today. I also agree with you that Jungian psychology has become a substitute religious belief system for many.

[@markmarley2556]

A wonderful discussion between two brothers in Christ. As much as I enjoyed Gavin's perspective on Anglican political conflicts on his previous show, the discussions on this channel focus on the essential conflict between good and evil and address what is truly important.

[@grahamwilliams8871]

This show was the best so far !

[@elizabethdarley8646]

Dear Dr Ashenden, you look as if you are back to full health so to speak. You look to be blooming again. After appearing pale and tired at your last episodes of Anglican Unscripted, it's nice to see you looking strong again.

[@bmellander]

Dr. Ashenden, you never disappoint. And I suspect you are much more than an admirer of Christ. Riveting discussion and I look forward to the next one.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

In light of Rod's reference to the Benedictine monastery in Norcia, I feel I should add - in case people do not know - that the monks have rebuilt their monastery at a spot higher up on the mountain, and (I believe) with earthquake resistant materials etc. After the trauma of the quake, they have resumed their life of prayer, and even have new vocations and professions. They may have seen the destruction of their ancient church (only the facade remained) yet their spirit and their commitment to Christ has not dimmed.

[@MrDanSB]

Gavin, I love Rod Dreher. Thanks for doing this interview. I always enjoy listening to you. Yes, Evangelical fire with perichoresis and catholicity are the order for the day.

[@traceyedson9652]

Very good, thank-you. Finally, Gavin talks with an Orthodox. Looking forward to more. Just for this: cultural strengthening, not religious bickering.

[@crownedbee5840]

I was thinking and praying today,God help us get through what is coming,and today on the radio heard about the fourth man in the fiery furnance.He will go through it with us,we will not be alone.

[@julianlord5366]

"We in France" very frequently put our lasting hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@Apriluser]

Amen.

[@Petros545]

An incredible episode Gavin & Rod. Thank you for your commitment and dedication. I would love to learn more about the cells organised by Fr. Thomas Kolakovich. Have not been able to find any information about him.

[@billo875]

Excellent. Here in Ireland it is very obvious of this being the incoming reality. Strong, courageous and holy priests and religious men and women with a zeal for the gospel, instead of the desperate happy clappy nonsense that only creates religious indifference and a blindsightness into left totalitarian rule.

[@Denis-tg6jw]

Billo! 87! I last visited Ireland in 2018 (Cork City). There was still a noticeable Christian ethos, but coming from England I don't have much to compare it with.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

All the same, one must remember Christ's words, "Do not be afraid, I have overcome the world", and also Our Lady's words to Sr Lucia of Fatima, (which I can't quote word for word). She referred to the final battle (over marriage and the family), and that her Immaculate Heart would triumph. So if one has faith, one also has hope (and, one must assume, love also).

[@Denis-tg6jw]

Absolutely right Sonia. We must never forget Jesus' words, I will be with you until the end of time.

[@DonalLeader]

Gavin I was sorry when you left Anglicans Unscripted but now that I have seen this video I can only applaud your decision. Please keep this up. I live in Dublin and I can assure you that you have some very engaged followers here. May God bless your great work.

[@TerryPMartin]

Outstanding. Anglican Unscripted are going to have to up their game.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

A winning goal of an interview, don't you think?

[@pastorjoshandrews]

wonderful episode. I rented "The Benedict Option" to listen from my library.

[@aes9638]

Excellent interview!

[@johnjon1823]

Excellent discussion, many interesting points. Bookcase looks great by the way. None of us should be surprised at anything if you can read the signs of the times. Our Lady mentioned ...that this time be an incentive for personal conversion.... to pray in solitude to the Holy Spirit to strengthen our faith and trust in the Lord. How much more do we need to know, we have Akita, we have Medjugorje, we have a plague. Just like in the days of Noah, they go on and on and no repentance yet. This is all a call to repent, to prepare oneself. How much more can God do! He sent His mother, for DECADES, he blots the sun right out of the sky, literally! Our lethargic response will not do. Evil is in high places and its power is very great in the media, in the academy, all over. You can see it seething at the president, the disrespect, the twisting of words, the deliberate fabrications, lie after lie after lie about what the man really says. Never has such deliberate distortion of the truth been so wide-spread and so unified at the same time in so many major sources of the media, absolutely unprecedented. They foster division and hatred of country, and anyone with a differing opinion threatens them. You know they lit up the Empire State building in red to celebrate the communists anniversary! We are deep in insanity and from that flows easy murder of undesirables. If they rationalize killing children in the womb nobody is safe, nobody. We are all only a tick away from their genocide.

[@marywardell977]

Yes, you are correct with all of this. The world has closed its ears to God and replaced Him with all manner of idolatry and perversions. We faithful are having to swim around in a slurry of evil. Detachment from all of this meaningless tinsel and constant prayer will be our only hope. If the world thinks Covid-19 is bad, wait till chapter 2. If the world does not stop its idolatry and cease its apostasy then worse will follow. We have been warned :(

[@skmcc9252]

Thank you Gavin and Rod, what a wonderful conversation. It's taken me most of my life to come to terms with growing up in the 60's, particularly in regard to Christian beliefs. As Gavin said, "we have grown up in an eroticised culture the whole of our lives" - so prudes ...........we are not, just deeply spiritual people who believe in the on-going presence of Christ. We live in interesting times, but whether it's a curse or a blessing ....... I don't know? Maybe, it's our job to make it a blessing:0)

[@mjkhickman]

Wonderful episode. Thanks Gavin!

[@Taft1]

Back to the catacombs, indeed. "Blood and ashes - time burning On the skyline dark against the stars A solitary horseman - waiting"

[@pamelatilneyellis4670]

Wow! What a conversation! Thank you Father Gavin. So much deeper than Anglican unscripted. It's such a relief to hear someone of your knowledge saying things which I have begun to think.

[@arthurchurms683]

Fr Gavin and Rodney: Your discussion has been such an eye opener. Grateful thanks to you both for speaking so honestly on such profound and HUGELY important matters. I sincerely hope that you'll come together again on Catholic Unscripted and share more of your wisdom and insights. Every blessing to you both from, Arthur (South Aftica)

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Much thanks to both gentlemen, a fantastic interview!

[@lizziegillings5380]

Absolutely brilliant brilliant teaching bless you both

[@MichaelPetek]

I agree with Gavin's assessment that Europe is in the bag for Islam. It's too late for continental Europe everywhere to the west of Poland.

[@nickmazzola8855]

Excellent and meaningful during these difficult times.

[@ronaldestep4100]

“Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me… “. The Church is the only people fitted for the days of darkness, dearth, and death for they alone possess the Light, the Cup of Salvation, and the Bread of Eternal Life.

[@johnthetenor]

Dear Doctor - your videos and insights are wonderful. God bless you and yours!

[@livetwice7702]

What a beautiful salutation ……See you at the Resurrection……..I will Remember that ……..I truly believe that very dark days are coming and I feel the need to be part of an church in the catacombs, I pray God will guide the faithful there …

[@leojmullins]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video. You have given me strategy and hope for my children grandchildren and non-believing/lukewarm christian friends.

[@andrewm9221]

O ALMIGHTY Lord, and everlasting God, vouchsafe, we beseech thee, to direct, sanctify, and govern both our hearts and bodies, in the ways of thy laws, and in the works of thy commandments; that through thy most mighty protection, both here and ever, we may be preserved in body and soul; through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen.

[@williamwilkes503]

Gavin, a beloved Russian priest of blessed memory in my area was once approached by a woman who asked him, "Father, how long would it take to become Orthodox?" He replied ""A lifetime my dear, a lifetime!" It seems difficult for many converts to Eastern Orthodoxy to really understand this, as we often seem them - while still in Orthodox diapers - presuming to prematurely critique and even criticize the Mother that graciously, and most often too hastily, took them in without proper catechesis (most often a period of two years in most jurisdictions). In all fairness to a real sense of balance, you must read some Eastern Orthodox theologians, writers and intellectuals who go so far as to say that The Benedict Option is "0% Eastern Orthodox theology".

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Another well-known convert (to Catholicism) is Dr Scott Hahn, who also thought about becoming Orthodox. But he found it too "ethnic", that is, there were many orthodox churches - Greek, Russian Ukrainian, etc, all fairly independent from each other in the matter of belief or acceptance in some areas of Christian faith. He did not find unity there (and felt he wasn't accepted - in one instance - in a Greek ortho church).

[@treeannie8831]

“Protestantism with a pope” sadly true!

[@elizabethdarley8646]

Yes! We had NO IDEA that the Church was modernised when He powerfully commanded PD and I to become Catholic with a capital c in 2018. We found the loyal priests quite soon after being baffled as to literally where to GO to be Catholic! Hurrah! Hallelujah! God took us STRAIGHT to the SSPX in UK Praise God! I love the SSPX. I do tend to go on but I can't help but LOVE God's holy Society which is growing BIG in France so the priests tell us. Fr Holden told me that I obviously want all the Truth and not just some of the Truth. Hence, the SSPX! I want it all, I want it now!!!

[@elizabethdarley8646]

PS I was raised atheist.

[@treeannie8831]

God Bless you Elizabeth and welcome Home! No SSPX near me :(

[@elizabethdarley8646]

@@treeannie8831 Ah! Thank you so much, Tree! Where are you? I'm in Holmfirth

[@elizabethdarley8646]

We travel 34 miles EACH way to trad. Latin Holy Sacrificial Mass with the SSPX. Some travel 55 miles EACH way!

[@marywardell977]

Fantastic episode and so good to hear from Rod Dreher and get his input. More please gentlemen! This episode covered so many important points and I can't wait for the next one :)

[@johnkennedy4023]

As an old man, I notice the old man tendancy to say that only the collapse of civilization (or whatever) will wake people up. Each generation has its challenges that God has sent them. My daughter is a better person than I am.

[@artbliese89]

Thanks so much for this conversation which is much of what I have experienced as a pastor. I'll be passing this one on.

[@brotherbroseph1416]

Brothers and sisters, please pray for me. I was going to ACNA church but left 2 years ago. I and my wife are discerning between Orthodoxy or the Catholic Church. We are having a difficult time, please pray 🙏

[@terrywatsonjr7433]

Thank you Gavin for another great episode! I learnt a lot from this interview with Rodney!

[@petewalker6321]

Very interesting discussion - thank you.

[@brentgoodman4401]

Brilliant conversation!!!

[@JourneyingwithLaura]

SPOT ON!!!!! Thank you so much, Gavin and Rod, for speaking spiritual truth AND hope for the world = Jesus Christ, and Him crucified for our sins.

[@brianpryor9624]

We are in the garden of Gethsemane awaiting the crucifixion. It does feel like that as a culture we are in that state of limbo. What a wonderful interview.

[@anselman3156]

As an Anglo Catholic, and one with a similar "pre-Ockham medieval" bent to Gavin, I just wish that the modern papacy were not so far removed from the "great tradition". I have also considered Eastern Orthodoxy, but find similar modernist tendencies within that. Rod is right to acknowledge the strength of (small o) orthodoxy in some Evangelical circles who adhere to the great tradition of pre-modern Christianity.

[@andyh9139]

Gavin, you made a fascinating comment at 30 minutes in: that the progressive tourniquet will tighten in the next 7 years. Why so specific, or did I miss something?

[@dourtandouar1318]

Good Louisiana guest with Roman roots that moved onto Orthodoxy after the church sex scandals broke. Like the FRENCH book behind Rod. He speaks "Southern English".

[@aletheia33]

Thanks a lot for the very interesting conversation. I read wih great interest Rod’s “The Benedict Option” and “How Dante saved my life” and offered several copies of the books to friends. I also met and talked to father Cassian Folsom described in the book who was a prior of the Norcia Benedictine monastery described in the book. One thing which worries me and am not sure whether the diagnostic of Rod is so much accurate - has the battle for the family, natural law and sanctity of life been finally lost in US ? Why so much “endism” in Rod’s books. A smell of Apocalypse coming on Christians. Is this surrender and crying that the cultural war has been lost not too pre-mature? Without an attempt to resist and still fight back in a Christian way? Rod is, in places, rather depressive in his assessment of the overall situation in Christendom in US. Interestingly Austin Ruse notes “endism” of Rod Dreher and his pretty pessimistic (some might claim a bit sour or realistic) vision of Christianity in Western democracy like US. See www.crisismagazine.com/2020/rod-dreher-and-his-endism I am not sure whether I am convinced with Rod reasons given for his departure from Catholicism. The Orthodox Church suffers from similar sickness, as well as protestant brothers, not to say civil society. Interesting exchange on how faithful Christians can survive in more and more indifferent, secularist and often left-driven, LGBT/gender ideology motivated society (perhaps more politicians of the liberal and left wing). There are methods exercised in former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe during communist regimes and other angles of the world. Rarely you can make a career in the structures of power as you need to be in line with “party line”. That is why my father, a very good physicist could not go abroad to do research in the West because only party members and not practicing Catholics could go abroad. So he lost many chances of climbing up academic career but he never regretted

[@1yogachris]

Satan is alive and well and profiting from our division and disarray. Most people have been put into a Spiritual Coma and cannot appreciate the danger that we are in.

[@elizabethdarley8646]

Yes! We ask Padre Pio to pray for our daily Intentions in our daily Family Rosary. Our saints we ask to intercede for our Rosary are Saint Mary Queen of the Most Holy Rosary, Saint Philomena, Powerful with God, Saint Padre Pio, who suffered also, for God, Saint Joseph, Holy Foster Father of Our Blessed Lord and Holy Spouse of Our Lady, Saint Michael, Archangel, Who Is Like God and Saint Maximilion Maria Kolbe, Founder of Knight of the Immaculatae, Martyr, priest, Religious and more saints will no doubt be sent to us.

[@brentgoodman4401]

......and the bookcase really works well:)

[@MsHburnett]

Hello Fr Gavin, this is an interesting guest, this is a successful interview format

[@gwenechotaylor96]

I will have to listen to the Benedict Option after this interview. My intuition has been a sort of leaden feeling of dread - an amorphous sense of something sinister lurking. I guess that others feel it too. I wish this Cup could be passed from us.......

[@patrickquin8674]

I love this so much.

[@Mark_Dyer1]

The message of the Holy Spirit in these times may be, that ALL those who worship and adore the God-who-was-in-Christ, need to 'de-professionalise' Christianity. Back to the Catacombs; and let the structural 'church' take care of itself......if it can. We can have confidence in God. "Your will be done!", is surely not merely intercession, but a statement of fact.

[@grahamwilliams8871]

I definately think 'worship music' needs to 'de-professionalise' as you put it, it's become like a show in some churches.

[@nickstone3113]

My great neice' attwbded Kings and sang in choir and i often sat in the cathedral for services and saw the barreness. I often thibk the anglican boss currently may have a connection to that. I would adk you to read up on saint surgeon bishop Luke of Simferopol. At the moment i feel the very concept of the Church is at risk and we , orthodox too ,stand on the brink.

[@Jean-yn6ef]

💚

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Wow! What an interview/program to greet me this morning! Grand stuff, but still, can't agree with Rod Dreher re US religiousness. Evangelicals are fervent, prayerful, but need political and legal support to counter the onslaughts of their progressive opponents. (Governor Northam?)

[@surferatapollobay1341]

Thank you for insights and reading the times we live in...Gavin..i could not catch the man's name that set up the family in Slovakia..can you help

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Fr Thomas Kolakovich, (I think).

[@nickstone3113]

My question to you is after reading the stripping of the altars thst you mudt know , why did Vatican ii not restore this powerful pre - reformation liturgy of worship? Seems to me as an orthodox the outcomes were hyjacked. . I sadly see most catholic churches would shock Luther ! The occassional priest and i knew of one ,made a difference ,but could only keep back the dark during their ministry. The other thing is the Reality of Evil.

[@elizabethdarley8646]

God took me to His medieval monastery ruins to show me that He wanted my soul for eternity with Him. I fought it but I had to admit to Him that I saw beauty in the stone carvings. He knew how to reach my heart. Now, my art is about the Chapel of the Nine Altars at Fountains Abbey in Yorkshire. www.elizabethdarley.co.uk and I hope someone here finds something of value in the images which are inspired by the new British tourism of the late 18th century- Turner, Girtin.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Enjoyed your video, and loved the water colours. I am a painter myself (but very occasional) and feel most at home working with pastels. May the Lord bless you in your work.

[@elizabethdarley8646]

@@soniavadnjal7553 Hey! Thank you! Sonia. Where did you find my video?

[@soniavadnjal7553]

@@elizabethdarley8646 it was embedded in one of your comments (cu4).

[@MsHburnett]

The new USA graduate SEMINARIANS have increased in numbers and their post training.questionaire results indicate they prioritised the adoration of the rosary and holy hour before the eucharist and good works on the church.The worm is turning

[@soniavadnjal7553]

There is no "adoration" of the Rosary, which is incidentally very biblical. It is popularly called the "Bible in beads", because the meditations dwell on the events of Christ's life.

[@soniavadnjal7553]

As the conversation seems to tend slightly towards gloominess (of suffering) I would like to add a story not unlike Rod's, about the Croatian priest. In 1945, a community of franciscans in Bosnia Hercegovina - the Croatian part of Bosnia - was killed and burned because they refused to renounce Christ. At that time, one of the younger friars (it was a large community of 30) was not at the monastery, but was visiting his parents. When he heard his fellow friars had been arrested, he said to his parents, "I must go and die with my brothers". And he returned to the monastery to be killed with them. Is not this the triumph of love over fear, over death? The martyrdom took place in a town called Siroki Brijeg (translated, "Broad hill", pronounced Sheeroki Breeyeg). It is located about 20 miles from Medjugorje.

[@MsHburnett]

Beware the cultural marxists

[@julianlord5366]

FWIW Gavin, the Devil is less clever than the cleverer among us.

[@aletheia33]

I would argue with what Rod Dreher said about lost culture war. Perhaps to some extent the culture war is lost in the US but is it completely lost? No single place of resistance at public square, defending fundamental human rights, Christian values? Such places exist, not many of them but they are there, both at global level like lobbying at the United Nations where we have solid examples of fighting being continued to protect innocent human life and to block promotion of so called reproductive rights (like abortion) as fundamental human rights, to stop demoralizing LGBT driven sex education promoted by WHO. See for example what C-FFAM does at global level (c-fam.org/) or what Ordo Iuris Institute does at EU level (en.ordoiuris.pl/). The war is not yet lost. But I would agree with Gavin, in many countries especially in UK, FR, NL, BE, Spain, Scandinavian countries (especially here with super-efficient machine of social engineering which resulted with almost completely atheist or agnostic society) many battles were lost to those who undermine fundamental human rights (natural law), fight religion, or promote consumerism, ecology and sport as new religions. There the situation is very difficult but not hopeless. We should not be afraid. The God is in control of the world. Let me refer to St. JP II “Brothers and sisters, do not be afraid to welcome Christ and accept his power. Help the Pope and all those who wish to serve Christ and with Christ’s power to serve the human person and the whole of mankind. Do not be afraid. Open wide the doors for Christ. To his saving power open the boundaries of States, economic and political systems, the vast fields of culture, civilization, and development. Do not be afraid. Christ knows ‘what is in man’. He alone knows it.” These were words of St. John Paul II that we would hear many times during his long and remarkable pontificate. But he spoke them for the first time as Pope 42 years ago today, October 22, 1978, to the crowds gather in St. Peter’s Square for his inaugural homily.

[@jamesgibson2179]

You mean ‘degenerate’ sexualised culture - not ‘progressive’.

[@grahamebennett3875]

Apostate Romanism . It is not the Gospel the New Testament teaches. Read Galatians. That is the true gospel Paul writes about not the false Romanism Catholicism teaches. Catholics are not Christians.

[@veronica_._._._]

You're being silly now we are THE Christians, you legion are the ones who think God needs "reforming". Cease your word play.

[@julianlord5366]

ewww, your channel appears to have been zapped ; though your videos seem still to be available if you know how to look for them. i.e. : "This page isn't available. Sorry about that. Try searching for something else." Typical, I guess, of the type of treatment given to those speaking the Truth from Revelation !!

[@julianlord5366]

Ah !! It's back !!! (phew !!!)