Live Not by Lies: A Conversation with Author Rod Dreher about Moral Resistance in a Secular Age

In this edition of the popular podcast series "Thinking in Public," Albert Mohler talks with author Rod Dreher about moral resistance in a secular age from Dreher's new book, Live Not By Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents.
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[@timothyhatcher5763]

This is one of the most important conversations that America needs to hear right now.

[@greggmaynard5658]

Absolutely agree

[@trulyso734]

Not just America that can do with hearing about this (basically from folks who have preceded in sufferings under current/past socialist orders). All of the "west" and western influenced lands worldwide appear to be facing this same challenge now.. The insidious Thing in the air producing that rather sick global centralization culture at whatever costs (ends justifying the means) seems to have arrived in this postmodern times within just about every country/nation. By the by, the jesuit order is unrelated to Christian faith at its core. I'd think they support the very marxist socialism here purported for conservatives (who tend to identify in any/some way to traditional christian values) to stand up to 'resilient'ly in the post's discussion.

[@prov2.3-5]

As a homeschooling mother of six, we are not far from that educational option being taken from us. Praying for God's guidance.

[@JB-kx9bx]

Doubt it considering cuts to education funding.

[@waldensmith4796]

I thank God Dreher for his accomplished journalistic career and educating us on the history of communism and it's infiltration into western civilization .We need to guard western civilization from these destructive ideologies.

[@SamsonCheung]

Great wakening call of our time to all Christians, across national boundaries and cultures.

[@ArmorofTruth]

Very encouraging to hear a Christian leader speaking boldly about these truths that are too often overlooked by the very leaders so many turn to for guidance.

[@michellemobakeng5938]

He is a Christian leader. Good. How about our pastors doing the same ?

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

56:23 this hit me hard, I am 27 and I didn't grow up in a stable family either, neither did a good portion of my friends and I'm acutely aware I don't have any idea how the whole stable relationship thing 'works'

[@misselder1]

I’m currently reading The Coddling of the American Mind by Lukianoff & Haidt. I highly recommend for anyone wanting to explore further the plague of wimpiness that is overtaking our younger generations. Spot on, gentlemen! Thanks for a great discussion!

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Yas. She a fierce anti fragile biotch

[@therealtoni]

After 12 years of Catholic School; my son went to university and lost his faith. Then; cut off contact with his parents. My heart is broken.

[@misselder1]

I just prayed for him (and you) and will continue. I am reading this on Divine Mercy Sunday in the Year of St. Joseph and have asked their help. He’s in good hands!

[@paulawagstaff686]

@@misselder1 So did I...and then I found Christ.

[@dtcowlick]

Excellent and Insightful discussion!! Around the 54 minute mark, there are comments about the importance of the middle class in stabilizing a society like ours. A predominant middle class was one of a handful of necessities that were required to keep a nation self governing. Some of the others were: a literate and educated populace; a nation of people who were basically law-abiding by being voluntarily compliant ( as opposed to those in a heavily policed state ). I don't recall the other requirements, but it seems as though the devil is doing well at undercutting all of those necessities in our nation, and is effectively destroying America from within.

[@benininho]

Seems to be really an important book. Thank you for this conversation!

[@NekoFilm]

We need to fear both, 1984 & A Brave New World scenarios. Everything we’re going through reminds me of The Book of Daniel.

[@bradmatlock8994]

Great discussion. I’m reading the book now

[@dotboutwell2877]

Wake up America❣️

[@kristyleavitt8007]

Thanks for this important discussion!

[@petermathieson5692]

Bought the book Live Not by Lies and found it both chilling and inspiring.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

"We as a people have forgotten how to suffer." 19:25

[@g.willikers7712]

Great book. I pass them out to people I care about.

[@conniewh4189]

Excellent

[@traci3868]

Fighting for the right to be unhappy is such a profound statement and it's very true.

[@jasonschultz6548]

At 39 minutes, Albert challenges Rod's position a bit because many of the woke Americans are not actually poor (as during the Bolshevik revoltuion) but middle class. So Albert asks why are they falling for communism/soft totalinarianism. Today, due to two generations of young people learning intersectionalism/identity politics in the universities, much of our younger middle class "believes" they are victims, whether that is true in reality or not. The elites taught everyone to believe the captalistic white man has subjugated them, robbed them of property, justice and freedom. As a result if the masses will just follow the intellectual elites in this holy revolution against their oppressors and those traditional institutions, then utopia can be achieved here below.

[@jimbuford4147]

I read over 40 peer reviewed articles on the efficacy or lack thereof of masks that dated from the past to the future and not a single one showed any real benefit to mask wearing and in many cases was shown to be harmful. Many of these studies were found on the CDC website but likely have been removed by now. This was early on in the pandemic.

[@pasqualecandelora2878]

And this is why wars are fought! Get ready people!

[@travissharon1536]

Social distancing.. reasonable... Astounding. When asked where they got the number 6ft, the people who made the policy said, well 9 ft was too much. Source? THEY MADE IT UP!!

[@HazHarpo]

Listen around 17:25. Rod Dreher nails it

[@365clubcard]

We deserve what we get.

[@duncescotus2342]

Resist the the resistance. And resist the resistance of the resistance. And resist the resistance of the resistance of the resistance. You get the idea.

[@bonivermectin4087]

"There's nothing more quickly dated than relevance."

[@MrBiwinning123]

What was the name of the fiction book that Dreher recommended?

[@drew0292]

Alexandria- Paul Kingsnorth

[@johntambakis2846]

alexandria

[@surferatapollobay1341]

What was the name of the priest that encourage the family

[@MrMrscoffey]

Good

[@ejdonarber3771]

I hope you can have a conversation also with Jordan Peterson.

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

Haha awesome idea.

[@bcw21358]

Yes, please! Jordan Peterson ASAP!

[@SoCalNico]

Liked this specifically because he used the phrase "that really redpilled me"

[@Mr196710]

You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. Get ready....

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

mohler should interview e. michael jones. not gonna happen, probably, but it should.

[@larrysmith2636]

No "interviewers", no panel "discussions", no audience "q" and a, equal less madness.

[@patr10t762]

SOCIAL DISTANCING is part of the "grooming" consider the definition of "social" as it pertains to coming together and sharing. Still have doubt? Ask yourself why is it not physical distancing since 6 feet is the magic number. I would like to see the Christian community change the narrative to physical as an act of defiance.

[@kyledonahue9315]

Lol wut?

[@patr10t762]

@@kyledonahue9315 A Miriam Webster definition of social distance... : the degree of acceptance or rejection of social interaction between individuals and especially those belonging to different social groups (such as those based on race, ethnicity, class, or gender) Physical distance... : a greater than usual physical separation between people during the outbreak of a contagious disease in order to minimize exposure and reduce the transmission of infection

[@kyledonahue9315]

@@patr10t762 Can you translate that word salad into English please?

[@patr10t762]

@@kyledonahue9315 Definition of social distance 1: the degree of acceptance or rejection of social interaction between individuals and especially those belonging to different social groups (such as those based on race, ethnicity, class, or gender) From Merriam Webster, does that help? Cheers

[@116unashamed]

Great interview. But I really can't understand how Dr Mohler can speak this way while allowing Professors such as Matt Hall and Jarvis Williams to teach at his institution. As a former Marine Corps officer I can't fathom going to fight against Communism while promoting Communists to my squad leader billets. This interview flies in the face of his actions.

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

a large part of the blame for these modern, wicked machinations is the ahistoricity of the protestant reformation. you can't sever ties with a thousand years of christianity and european history and expect people to have deep, lasting ties with their own spiritual roots.

[@paulawagstaff686]

Was it Christianity?? Christianity is following and OBEYING Christ's words. It is not living in the OLD Testament.

[@philmattox8500]

The New Testament is a continuation of The Old Testament. The Church for the most part was One until the split in 1054 between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. Approximately 500 years later Protestants split from the Roman Catholics and ever since have been splitting amongst themselves. As an Eastern Orthodox communicant I believe although Christians are divided that the The Holy Spirit does dwell with all who believe in God in Three Persons , Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For Christ Himself said "...where two or more are gathered in My Name there am I also." So if you are a Christian you have a choice to attend a Christian Community wherein God speaks most clearly to you. For me, who was raised a Southern Baptist and converted to Catholicism in my youth, that Christian Community is Eastern Orthodoxy. For you it is obviously something else. But we should practice charity with one another at all times.

[@larrysmith2636]

How's that "kinder, gentler" conservatively compassionate "New World Order" working for you so far? Have a nice day?

[@timothyhatcher5763]

Dr. Mohler why should we not adopt the modern technological convenience? Are there other reason then just the surveillance state?

[@vanillathehexican4142]

Mass death not a good enough reason lol

[@Cliff_Simon]

Can someone please help me understand this: I have never understood why is California so left wing? Among wealthy people including celebrities, why is is Socialistic thought so prevalent? Anyone watching from California?

[@jacobsamorodin9937]

Have you never read Animal Farm by George Orwell (his caustic satire against Communism)? In it he wrote, (quote) "some are more equal than others". Communist leaders and their promoters want to be rich and give the average person in a Communist society a false sense of equality.

[@Teal_Seal]

Also, Dreher explained in another video that advocating socialism: 1-eases their guilt (whiteness, wealth) 2-gives a sense of meaning and purpose 3-replaces religion I’d add that most blue voters believe socialism means everyone will a) get more and b) *someone else* will pay for it. I’ve also noticed that blue voters tend to focus on superficiality: -Dems make same promises decade after decade and when they don’t deliver, they get away with blaming Republicans. -race and gender/sex are paramount over qualifications and track record -90% of criticism toward Trump was on his hair, spray tan, and tweeting (they couldn’t bring up the opportunity zones, HBCU funding, First Step Act, Middle East peace deals, etc without publicizing his accomplishments. A staunch lib friend hates him so much she claims socialism is a small price to pay for not having to hear about his tweets anymore. SMH -many accept media unquestioningly. If you ask them about killing the XL pipeline, they think it’s good and haven’t considered we still need oil for certain products and will now be transporting it via road n rail and buying it from other countries - not to mention the jobs lost. They hear what they want to hear and go on with their day. 😣

[@Cliff_Simon]

@@jacobsamorodin9937 That is truly something. Even if it initially means the rich pay more taxes in the beginning

[@Cliff_Simon]

@@Teal_Seal Thank T T. I am from Canada and as an outsider looking in to your great Country, I can't believe how quickly in one sense this all happened. So many are so blind to reality. It's like it happened over night, but yet at the same time it didn't happen overnight. Kamala Harris is case and point to every point you made. Way too unqualified, way too many failed policies from before, way too unpopular, and way too far left to represent the Dems in the beginning; yet scores high in defeating Trump as a VP therefore Kamala Harris is in. Truly sad!

[@nichole317]

I’m watching from CA, born and raised here, but I can’t answer your question. I spent my entire life being solely obsessed with becoming a famous actress. I wasn’t interested at all in politics or history, but would just go along with what was believed by everyone around me: Christians are bigots, Republicans are ignorant and selfish, the USA is racist country, abortion is a good and necessary thing, “do whatever makes you happy”, etc. Wasn’t until 2018 that a man at a Starbucks gave me a Bible and reading it and believing it changed my whole life.

[@johnenglish4652]

Jonathan Edwards said Harvard is lost. or words to that effect.

[@bensilliman7325]

and he was right

[@transparentzwindows]

Is Albert Mohler, TGC etc. doing enough to fight back against CRT? These guy are so far behind the power curve on this that Christians need to walk away from these hirelings and empower more faithful/robust men.

[@thecrew777]

The only thing that gives me pause is the push for ecumenicism "or else". Like born again Christians who's faith and all in all is in Christ can't possibly endure this faithfully by relying on God, rather than numbers of men.

[@MB-dp1rj]

It means a "parallel society/culture" is warranted...it means increased unity among the mass of ppl who oppose this evil/wicked virus that has infected not only the US but the entire West. One can easily see the eventual "Balkanization" of America...and that may not be the worst eventuality and may even be a necessity for our survival. The unavoidable result of a country that engages in unremitting (extreme) diversity, multiculturalism and identity politics is eventual "cultural segregation".

[@dotboutwell2877]

America, wake up! Do not make the deal~you will neither have Joy or Peace😞 If you ask, do you think we should be masked up- American’s say ~ I am not smart enough to make that decision😞

[@UnderTheFloor79]

Mohler purged his seminary of anyone who opposed the woke religion. He seems two faced.

[@pasqualecandelora2878]

How so?

[@UnderTheFloor79]

@@pasqualecandelora2878 Jon Haris has done some videos and interviews about Mohler. Apparently, Mohler speaks against CRT in public but promotes it by hiring professors who teach it. He then fired anyone who spoke up against CRT at Southern. Check out the Conversations that Matter channel.

[@pasqualecandelora2878]

I will..thanks

[@lauraanderson7358]

CORPORATOCRACY

[@greggmaynard5658]

Agreed - this is our “rhyme” to the Soviet system and Maoist China - either way, Corporatism is today’s totalitarianism

[@louisaccardi2268]

Wait a minute Dr. Mohler and Mr. Dreher. We have all kinds of shopping malls that are almost non-functional due to Online shopping right to your doorstep. Those areas could be quickly used as areas to stuff people in for retraining. They have those types of retraining centers in China. The type of Christianity here in the U.S., is water to the ankles and not water to swim in. It is Laodicia lukewarm so they will go with the flow because most of them are carnal, worldly and barely saved if that. We have too much half baked believers and a lack of conviction and deep repentance. They know little to nothing of the terms contrition, brokenness and consecration or travailing prayer in experience. What about self-denial and taking up your cross and following Christ no matter what comes or goes; even death? All through the Old Testament there were always a remnant and that is what we have here, only a small remnant who are sold out completely to God.

[@PostMillMan]

At least China’s social credit system tries to reward good behavior. Our social credit system seems to reward all the deviants of society.

[@brotherardash1960]

Auntie Rod went and got a D-I-V-O-R-C-E so he could sashay from one Hungarian bathhouse to another. You folks sure know how to pick 'em, ah tell yuh hwut

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

Dr Mohler please have Jordan Peterson on here.

[@midnightstarism]

Being poor is serious. Be serious. 1 is a number. If it is wealth, just write 1 in your pocket and you'll be rich. He wants more of what is good. His personality is good. Now he got 2 personalities instead of 1, and is schizophrenic, trying to eat healthy and rebelling against himself and eating unhealthy. He takes numbers seriously. He doesn't take me seriously. So I'm not math to him, I'm a world that he believes can't exist. Am I correct math, always correct, always serious, never a fantasy, or am I incorrect math, a world in which smarts doesn't equal success? Add 5 days of work together and it equals 5 dollars? 1 thought plus 1 action equals no dollars sometimes, 1 dollar other times, loss of keys, subtraction, at another time.

[@midnightstarism]

The universe was chaos and then formed into planets; the earth is random chance, chaos, not formed into a planet yet. Two ears, two arms, one heart; round sun, round moon, square earth. Moon and sun, things in the heavens, stick to a pattern, stay on course; go in an order; things on earth are wild, making sharp turns, chaotic, unreliable. Round is a shape, a structure, domesticated, a to-do list, a clock. Earth is primitive, an alley cat, an accident, messy, not a time.

[@midnightstarism]

Focusing on nasty things and hurt makes you physically ill. Pills and food are dead, the nasty. Working out hurts. Focus on those things as the answer to your ills.

[@TJ-kk5zf]

here's a public thought: reinstate Fuller, you hypocrite!

[@vanillathehexican4142]

You guys are missing the point, there is so much information we should be talking about medicine all day long, where is the discussion about dilute hydrochloric acid injections, GH3???? Crickets...ridiculous!

[@KateKing217]

Rod: Are you injected⁉️ Can You please help people understand your position on choosing to be injected aka vaxxed Thank you 🙏🏾

[@veryexciteddog963]

he's probably paranoid about disease ever since what happened to his boyfriend...

[@KateKing217]

@@veryexciteddog963 ⁉️🤔

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Nice graphics. Abhorrent beliefs.

[@haddonsdad1829]

You lost all credibility when you said you make people wear masks.

[@madeinusa5395]

This guy looks nuts and not at all in peace. Dreher that is.

[@TheModernPost]

Dreher is such a ghoul. Gross.