Examining the Church of Christ: Part 3 | Answering The Error

[@jamesfitch4569]

Don you are an amazing encouragement and excellent example to all Christians. Even though you had a very bad accident you have never compromised your service to Christ, God, and the church! You have remained strong, kind, and faithful! My faith has grown stronger just by your faithfulness. I pray for you and your family all of the time my faithful brother in Christ ❤!

[@jorgeza88]

Thank you so much. My English is not the best, but I did understand most of it. I washed the video from Trey and the other two gentleman’s a few month ago, and I knew back them they were not telling the truth about the Lords church. I was just bautice for the remission of sins September 4 2022. (Before I use to go to a Pentecostal denomination for a few years, it was hard to leave, but after studying the word of GOD With my oldest brother, I came to the conclusion tru the word of God that I was on error, so after hearing the truth I decided to obey the gospel and be bautice according to mark 16:16 acts 2:38 22:16 Romans 6: I thank God that my brother took the time to read the word with me and showed me the truth tru the word of God) I came to your channel a few months ago and I’m learning a lot from you Guys, I thank you for everything you guys do, I’ll keep praying for you guys. God bless all of you @ gbntv.

[@michellewilson2995]

You are the right path my brother. Keep studying the word. I think there is a Spanish program on " From the the Deep End" Jonathan Jenkins on KZbin

[@DRMLiveJazz]

Masterfully handled, gentlemen. It is good to hear Scriptural discussion about this topic. I know it took patience to wade through the rambling error. This is important work! Thank you, Aaron, Don, and GBN for you exemplary patience and sound theology and teaching!

[@harolddavis1493]

All the church of Christ has done for me is steal the joy that I had when I gave my heart back to Christ Christmas before last

[@kac0404]

@@harolddavis1493 How did the church of Christ steal your joy, Harold?

[@mauriceb53]

@@kac0404 He will never answer your good question brother. The problem is with him, not the Church of Christ.

[@kac0404]

@mauricebro53 He's not going to. This is the same guy, on another thread, got mad and told me to go back to Africa and ask me where I live because he said this is war. This guy has serious issues.

[@gawnan8066]

It is so clear that Trey knows very little about the Lord’s church. What he thinks he knows are misconceptions and misunderstandings.

[@gawnan8066]

@junkyarddog If that is so, then why is it named in the Bible? Romans 16:16. Why is it that I can trace everything I teach and practice to the Bible? If what you say is correct then my doctrine can be traced to the 19th century only. If it can be found before that date in history, as you claim, then that proves your contention is false.

[@gawnan8066]

@junkyarddog where did anything you accuse?

[@gawnan8066]

@junkyarddog I don’t believe anything you accuse me of so I am not misled. Maybe you are being misled if you think the things you accuse me of are things I believe.

[@gawnan8066]

@junkyarddog you may want read what you wrote. You stated being misled!

[@guyc66]

I’m 56 years old and have never heard anyone speak so many falsehoods about the Church of Christ. I can only hope Trey returns to the truth.

[@harolddavis1493]

Well maybe you could help me out I was raised Baptist baptized in a Baptist Church I went astray but I gave my back to Christ Christmas before last I found a church of Christ they told me that my baptism was wrong in terms of the Baptist preacher but I believe in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ I believe he's the Son of GOD I've been rebaptized in the church of Christ the issue is before I went forward to make a public confession that Jesus is LORD and SAVIOR and got rebaptized I privately said the sinners prayer I've had people on KZbin tell me my salvation was in vain but that's the only thing I knew at the time but I believe in the finished work of Christ what's your thoughts I'm struggling spiritually over this

[@harolddavis1493]

@junkyarddog thanks they have made me question my salvation even though I believe in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ I got rebaptized but just cause I said the sinners prayer that's all I knew at the time but I had given my heart back to Christ and I had a certain peace and they stole it from me GOD BLESS

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@@harolddavis1493 You need to understand that Paul's Gospel is not the same Gospel that Jesus preached or that He sent out the 12 and the 70 to preach. 2 different Gospels for two different groups of people for two completely different purposes. Peter was telling Jews they need to be baptised in water for forgiveness of sins. According to Paul's Gospel, the moment we believe the Gospel of Grace, The Holy Spirit seals us until the redemption of our body. The Holy Spirit also removes our sinful flesh from us in the circumcision made without hands. The Holy Spirit also baptises us in our spirit into the Body of Christ. Our baptism is not a physical dunking in water, but Israel's is. They are to be Kings and Priests on earth for the Kingdom, and according to the law a priest must go through a ceremonial cleansing process: baptism. That's why Jesus needed to be baptised. Today, we are saved only by believing the Gospel, Paul's Gospel. Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the 3rd day.

[@harolddavis1493]

@@bugsocsollie1694 I do believe in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and been rebaptized because the coc said my baptism in the Baptist church was wrong I gave my heart back to Christ Christmas before and I was looking for a church t ok go to and I found the church of Christ they say until you get baptized then your not saved because that's where the blood contacts you I have been in spiritual destress because of all the comments from Coc people and some won't coc preachers won't even answer my questions check out Jonny Robertson and look at him GOD BLESS YOU

[@harolddavis1493]

@@bugsocsollie1694 I agree thanks for this although the coc would do everything to rip it apart as they did my joy it's Sunday but I don't even want to go the coc next door but I have transportation problems right now I have transportation but they won't take me to a different church but I believe and have been rebaptized but they took what you just said it and will twist it around that's the way I have noticed and I wish I had just a regular Christian church to go to

[@kofiking6981]

28:31 1Ti 4 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto 'the doctrine' ; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

[@gawnan8066]

I love God! I love the Word! Thank you for the remission for sin! Acts 2:38.

[@harolddavis1493]

Well what happens if you believe but can't find someone to baptise you then what what do if you can't find a church of Christ then what but you believe in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ

[@jamesfitch4569]

@@harolddavis1493 what if you just obey the gospel by repentance and baptism for the forgiveness of sins!!?? That’s the only “what if” that the Bible addresses besides “ what if you don’t obey “ and the answer to that is “He that believe AND is being SHALL be saved, he that believes NOT shall be dammed!” Mark 16:16. God never deals with hypothetical situations. You either obey or don’t obey. There’s no gray areas for salvation. People use the hypothetical to deceive themselves as well as others even though they read in the Bible the commandments of Christ that baptism is essential to salvation!

[@harolddavis1493]

@@jamesfitch4569 I've obeyed I believe and have been rebaptized I'm just telling that because like me for instance I want to find a non denominational church but can't find someone to take me because right now I have transportation issues I have transportation but I live with my dad and his girlfriend who won't take me anywhere but to the doctor I gave my heart back to Christ Christmas before last in my home I came from a Baptist background I had to walk to church and still do when I'm not working but I found a church of Christ I said a prayer before I got rebaptized nothing wrong with that then I went made a public confession that Jesus is LORD and I got rebaptized when I left I felt bad afterwards I don't know why like I did something to offend the lord since I had been baptized already but that was in a Baptist Church I believe in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and what he did on the cross I'm not perfect I stumble at times I know I need to do better but I did mark 16 16 and asking the lord constantly to save me come into my heart because I have had nothing but discouragement I'm struggling spiritually and mentally right now but I know who CHRIST is what saves me is his BLOOD are you church of Christ and if so I know this because people on KZbin have been sending me discouraging comments about my salvation I'm struggling to know if I really am saved I've done everything I know what to do before I attended a church of Christ when I gave my heart back to Christ I had a new sense of peace I want that back hypothetically questions is what I say if someone is having a hard time with this I'll explain more later but I believe with all my heart I read my Bible everyday I'm studying Ezekiel right now because I like a deeper understanding of the word I've read the whole Bible i know what Peter said I have done that but just because I said the sinners prayer before I got rebaptized people say it was in vian I don't agree it's all I knew at that time but regardless JESUS CHRIST BLOOD saves I have always believed though I went astray I came back I Pr ray everyday I think CHRIST BLOOD is powerful enough

[@harolddavis1493]

@@jamesfitch4569 and by the way there is only one church of Christ in my area the rest are denomnation I don't know if I need to be baptized a third time I believe in the finished work of Christ his BLOOD is what washes our sins away

[@bryannorris8049]

​@@harolddavis1493 This almost never happens because faith comes by hearing the word of God (Rom 10) and that is usually through personal discussion. Follow as close to the New Testament examples of being baptized by other believers if it is at all possible, but if no one can or will, I wouldn't risk my soul waiting on baptism until someone could facilitate. I would say we see Naaman (2 Kings 5) as an archetype of baptism, and he was told to dip himself. However, remember confession is also a requirement and that you absolutely cannot do alone. Surely God doesn't mean what he said was the first appeal to sin. Satan tells a lot of modern people, God wouldn't really condemn someone who couldn't be baptized but wanted to, therefore you don't really HAVE to be baptized even if you can.

[@sareenamorrow4150]

Great job Aaron and Don!

[@MrCaza7096]

@14:00(ish) Trey gives the 'I20/ 120mph ticket example'....Aaron uses that same situation and corrects it to True Calvinism... fantastic point

[@MegaNetty1]

It is amazing that Trey dismisses alllllllll these verses that clearly PROVE that once saved always saved is a deadly doctrine that is making many twice as fit for hell as he is. That is very hard say, btw...Pray for these people! This is so scary that he and many, many others have been lead away from Gods truth.

[@michellewilson2995]

@junkyarddog back up what you are saying with scripture. You cannot go to human court without having proof to go before the judge. The same way you cannot accuse the Lord's body and not have proof, that is scripture to back up what you are saying. Isn't that what the Jews did to put Jesus to death? False accusations. Please provide something that contradicts what we teach with scripture. If you don't have that, just listen.

[@kac0404]

@junkyarddog Instead of constant insults, why don't you backup what you say with scripture. It's very clear, you can't do that. Pathetic!!!!

[@leadanon127]

Who says - one saved forever saved? I have never heard this in the church of Christ wheree I attend. We had this topic and we disagreed about it. Since Church of Christ is not denimination, every congregation has own beliefs or every individual has some beliefs. I know that in my congregations would not agree with me about doctrines, but we usually emphasize principles and morals. We are take whole bible as one book, but I know some churches of Christ favour only New testament. We don't celebrate holidays like Christmas and Easter, but many do. Maybe we already became some other Christian church. This is only the result of freedom in Christ.

[@steveblaylock632]

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@harolddavis1493]

That's hard to do in the coc are they really the remnant of the church the apostle's established in ad 33

[@kac0404]

@@harolddavis1493 Why are you trolling with hate, Harold?

[@harolddavis1493]

@@kac0404 I'm not trying to be hateful in any way you should have seen the message i received from Jonny Robertson and it's the first church I've ever heard of to proclaim that they are the only true Christians and everyone else is lost false and that isn't what is expected. from as church I'll be back with you on this

[@kac0404]

@@harolddavis1493 How many churches does the Bible speak of? What's the name of the church?

[@harolddavis1493]

@@kac0404 the body of Christ is one it's spiritual it's all those who have been saved by the BLOOD OF CHRIST and been baptized for the remission of sins that's the body of Christ the church is not a building it's the people that make up the church that being said any non denominational church that preaches truth the way it is written in the Bible is a church of Christ back during the early church they met in homes and wherever they could do there are different names for the church i don't get why it's complicated it's simple

[@jamesfitch4569]

Thanks for continuing to refute this heresy! Trey is a cold hater of the Lord’s church to the point of being offensive ! Gwendolyn Thomas here ❤

[@harolddavis1493]

Define heresy the body of Christ is spiritual all those who by faith have accepted Christ as savior and lord and his blood washes our sins away we confess him with of it mouth and get baptized

[@harolddavis1493]

And yes the church of Christ is a name for the church but the apostles established the true church after they passed it was handed down to others who went and didn't agree with this or that then they split started a new church and then those guys didn't agree with something before you know it you have Calvin and others the chatholic movement alxender Campbell movement in the 1800s he started a group called the disciples of Christ then it turned into the church of Christ the pentecostal movement as Ecclesiastes says there's nothing new under the sun but I don't think trey hates the Lord's church I'm a coc member and they have confused me so much that I don't know if what they say is accurate the body of Christ is not a building it's all those who by faith have accepted Christ as savior and it doesn't matter what the name of the church is it's what they preach that's important

[@harolddavis1493]

@junkyarddog hey once again thank you for saying that

[@jamesfitch4569]

@@harolddavis1493 if names don’t matter then please have your employer put my name on your paycheck every two weeks 🤣!

[@jamesfitch4569]

@@harolddavis1493 no one is talking about a building but you! The church is the spiritual body of Christ that follows and teaches His doctrine and wears His name because He purchased it with his blood! We don’t follow Campbell. We follow Christ. If you’re a member of the church then you should know that! Romans 16:16, Acts 20:28. What are we teaching that originated with Campbell?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

28:31 "But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, _which are able to make you wise for salvation_ through faith which is in Christ Jesus(2 Tim. 3:14-15)." This guy needs to hit the spiritual weights in a major way.

[@studiodemichel]

My opinion is that John Calvin overreacted to Catholicism and the New Testament having any law or requirements. People have to ignore so many teachings of Christ and His Apostles in order to believe reformed theology. We live in a kingdom. Jesus is King. The King is the Law. Thanks for posting. On to Part 4!

[@harolddavis1493]

The kingdom of God is here on earth explain

[@studiodemichel]

Matthew 16:18,19 where the Lord declares, "I will build My church" and said to Peter, "I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven." In one breath He calls it "My church" and in the next "the kingdom of heaven."

[@studiodemichel]

basileia tou theou - the mistake of the Jews is they were expecting an earthly kingdom. The King is Christ. His Kingdom is spiritual and everlasting. He rules our hearts by faith as our King.

[@harolddavis1493]

@@studiodemichel if the kingdom was physical here the one world government rev 13 would be on the earth right now

[@harolddavis1493]

@@studiodemichel if the Jews accepted Christ at the time the kingdom would have come but now it's in waiting till Christ returns and sets up the kingdom read Daniel Chapter 7

[@murfyhousemouse7075]

"the Church of Christ is the Church of Christ " Paul Maze. Thank you brothers for Reasoning from the scriptures and not Reasoning from man made doctrines to make the scriptures say what they don't.

[@kac0404]

@junkyarddog No it wasn't! Sorry, your trolling and lies are not working.

[@michellewilson2995]

Trey is completely confused. Was it Paul that said when I was a child I spake as a child but when he became a man he put away childish things. At some point you grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. It's a choice, we choose to do good or bad

[@kennyroach3327]

@junkyarddog where do attend church, and how long has it been around?

[@harolddavis1493]

@@kennyroach3327 how long has your church been around I mean when was it built I know your going to say ad 33 but when did the building get built and when did you name the church the body of Christ is spiritual

[@kac0404]

Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. Romans 16:16 KJV That's long before the restoration movement!!!!!!!

[@harolddavis1493]

@@kac0404 well yes but the church at the time was called the church of Christ the church of God in revelation Christ called it just the church at Ephesus Smyrna and so on the body of Christ is another name like I've said before it doesn't have to say church of Christ on the sign outside you have to go in and hear to see if it is a true church I bet you there are some church's out there that have slipped we are in the last days the Laodicean age

[@kac0404]

@@harolddavis1493 Yes, there are several names for the church. Church of Christ, church of God, Bride of Christ, church of the First Born, etc. The fact is, the church has to follow the pattern as the church in the Bible.

[@thundershadow]

At no time ever was there a law imposed upon infants.

[@rebelliousbynature99]

@Robert Cox +Robert Cox Have you heard of circumcision? That was a law imposed on infant boys.

[@thundershadow]

@@rebelliousbynature99 * Have you heard of circumcision? That was a law imposed on infant boys. * Circumcision... was the responsibility of the Parents not the infant. The infant was introduced to the law which circumcision signified. Circumcision itself was not the law but it represented the agreement between God and the people of Israel.

[@rebelliousbynature99]

@@thundershadow It may have been the parents' responsibility, but it was still imposed upon the male infant.

[@thundershadow]

@@rebelliousbynature99 * but it was still imposed upon the male infant. * I explained to you the difference between circumcision and the law. The New covenant and the Apostle Paul explains the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. It's the difference between the old and new covenant. The New covenant is based upon belief and obedient faith. Children can assuredly operate in a predictable and for them acceptable manner. Children eat, poop, pee, sleep and cry. We do the exact same thing and there is no law against those things. Babies CANNOT SIN! Neither can they believe except instinctually. You might as well give it up... there is no way you are right.

[@rebelliousbynature99]

@Jarvis Price Circumcision was imposed on the infant males. That is both historically and definitionally true. Everything else you ranted about is irrelevant.

[@JSBrown303]

One thing about babies being born in sin that I haven't ever heard brought up (it may have been, I just haven't happened to have heard it yet) is that in Matthew 18: 3 Jesus said that "except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven". So, according to the born in sin folk, Jesus would be saying "unless ye become sinners ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven".

[@michaelthornton20]

There are over 30000 groups out there and everyone has their prooftexts. I believe the key is to learn your prooftexts and learn the folks who worship down the street and try to put them all together.

[@None960]

I say this with all sincerity of heart it is very sad because Trey doesn’t know the Bible. A caution to all is we must search the Scriptures Acts 17:11; Jn. 5:39; II Tim. 2:15. There are many false teachers in the world I Jn. 4:1; Mt. 7:15-20. Teachers will give an account for what they teach including myself Ja. 3:1. God help us all!

[@findinggodswisdom]

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. God does not command us to do anything we can't do.

[@vickirenshaw8631]

So, if I was baptized at a young age & for the wrong reason, fell away for years sinning a LOT, then came back & repented & was even rebaptised, does this mean I can't be forgiven by God? I won't have a home in heaven?

[@michellewilson2995]

Of course you can be saved as long

[@michellewilson2995]

As long as you continue in the faith

[@jarvisprice1992]

What do you mean for the wrong reason? Did you hear about the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus? Did you believe it? Did you change , even at a young age you can turn from being naughty and sinful and follow God. Did you confess Christ to be the Son of God? If so, all you needed was repentance. Look at Simon in the book of Acts. He thought he could buy the Holy Spirit after he was baptized and Peter didn’t baptize him again. He told him to repent! Repenting is ongoing.. daily. Moment by moment. If you have obeyed the steps unto salvation, whenever you sin , you ask for forgiveness. Baptism is where you put on Christ and received the Holy Spirit which does not go away.

[@kellytisdale7322]

There was a law for Adam. Don't eat of that one fruit or they would die.

[@raymondpadilla7919]

YES..... RIGHT ALONG WITH ALL OTHER RELIGIONS.

[@steveblaylock632]

Jesus tells us that faith cometh by Hearing the word of God- Romans 10:17. Jesus tells us to BELIEVE that God raised him from the dead- Romans 10:9. Jesus tells us to REPENT of our sins- Luke 3:3-5. Jesus tells us to CONFESS with the mouth the Lord Jesus- Romans 10:9. Jesus tells us to be BAPTISED- Acts 8:29-39, (in water, as the eunuch was) Jesus tells us when we are baptized (in water, as the eunuch was) we put him on- Galatians 3:27. Jesus tells us to be buried with him, (in water, as the eunuch was) and to be raised to walk in newness of life-Romans 6:3-4. (in water, as the eunuch was). We show our love for Jesus through obedience to his word- John 14:15.

[@steveblaylock632]

If we’re saved by “faith only” then we’re saved without confessing Jesus as Lord, Romans 10:9-10, if we’re saved by “faith only” we’re saved without repenting, Acts 17:30, if we’re saved by “faith only” we’re saved without having our sins washed away, Acts 22:16, if we’re saved by “faith only” we’re saved without being buried and being raised to walk in newness of life, Romans 6:3-4, if we’re saved by “faith only” we’re saved without putting Christ on in baptism, Galatians 3:27.

[@scottdavis2252]

If it's true that God would command one to do something they cannot do, is God not causing them to sin? Completely contradicting James.

[@seldonward8963]

I think Cultish has twisted scripture.

[@ryanjones2297]

What I don't get is the reformed theology believers don't even really believe their own theology, or they wouldn't have any evangelists. You can't change, God has to do a miracle on your heart, so their preaching is irrelevant. They should just wait in their office for the people God performed the miracle on to come to them. Assuming they believed what they are preaching.

[@bryannorris8049]

Having come out of Calvinism to the truth: Calvinists doctrinally believe that a result of being elect is a diligent devotion to obeying the things that God commanded. If you are given a saving faith, then you should do Biblical works including evangelize. I don't say this to defend their beliefs but to help you understand and talk with your loved ones who are caught up in similar beliefs. What I see in the denomination of which I was previously a member, many members rarely attended, and most others lived lives that did not demonstrate "election." The practical reality of teaching "unconditional election" is not being firmly told our behavior matters in the sight of God undermines diligent pursuit of Godly obedience. Worse, it is only a small step from not pursuing righteousness to actively pursuing sinful behavior.

[@ryanjones2297]

@@bryannorris8049 I get that they feel the need to evangelize, because its the logical thing to do given the scriptures, but it makes no logical sense when you believe in unconditio0nal election. If that is what God is doing, it makes no sense to command people to evangelize.

[@colepriceguitar1153]

Many calvinists end up doing the same thing for different reasons which can all be summed up as “because of” not “in order to.”

[@ryanjones2297]

@@colepriceguitar1153 The only problem with that is the rest of scripture makes no sense if you translate the greek root of "for" in that verse as "because of" instead of "in order to" in the rest of scripture. You get things like Jesus died on the cross because our sins were forgiven.

[@colepriceguitar1153]

@@ryanjones2297 oh I don’t agree with Calvinism, but that’s what ends up being the difference.

[@michaelsmiley15]

Noticebhow he is staying in romans he never reads from any other scripture

[@thedynamicsolo4232]

Where is the argument? We use Greek, Context, the text, the audience, the import, the early church fathers, Aramaic and there are still "once saved" thinkers? God is not the god of confusion. If we are biblically honest, we stick with the original text, use the bible to interpret the bible and ANY scripture that is properly applied is NOT WRONG. Why don't they just say it "We reject the idea that baptism is part of your salvation as an act of obedience and for you to preach what Christ preached and what the apostle commanded is wrong". That is what is being said when you boil it down. The one thing that should UNITE us is the one thing that is being fought against, proper biblical interpretation. Sad.

[@leadanon127]

Church of Christ is not denominational, so, it can't be cult. Truth is that there are people who attend this church who wants to apply own ideas on others. Many of them attend other protestant churches and bring their ideas into Church of Christ.

[@tylerbird5413]

​@junkyarddog I have seen you comment this many times, and you are just not correct. You should watch part one of this series as Aaron and Don do a wonderful job explaining who Alexander Campbell was, he was just a man that wanted to restore the church back to the New Testament from reformers like Calvin. The church does not go by any of his teachings because he never came up with his own teachings, he just realized he wasn't doing what the Bible said to do and he along with his family was baptized into Christ. Unfortunately Im sure there may be some religious organizations with Church of Christ on their building that is teaching error, it sounds like Trey was attending one of those, but The one true church of the New Testament only goes by the teachings of God's inspired word. We have nothing to do with Alexander Campbell.

[@colepriceguitar1153]

I’m in the CoC but I’m going to be intellectually honest and say that we are a denomination for all intents and purposes.

[@kac0404]

@@colepriceguitar1153 Are you really a member of the church of Christ? You sound very unlearned.

[@colepriceguitar1153]

@@kac0404 have been my whole life. What makes me sound “unlearned.”

[@kac0404]

@colepriceguitar1153 First of all, saying the church of Christ is a denomination. What makes you say that, being a member?

[@Josiah-l8e]

The Thief On The Cross In Luke 23:43 CHRIST said to one of the thieves that was crucified with HIM Today shalt thou be with ME in Paradise. Many people take this verse out of context and teach that since the thief on the cross was not baptized therefore baptism is not essential for salvation. Since we cannot know the thoughts of others, we are not able to judge their motives, but we can make application of what CHRIST said in Matthew 22:29 Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the Power of GOD. . So, what do the Scriptures say concerning the thief on the cross and the necessity of baptism? First, the thief on the cross did not need baptism. CHRIST makes a statement in Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the SON of Man hath Power on Earth to Forgive Sins. Therefore, my LORD had the Power to Forgive the Sins of the thief and Baptism would not have been necessary. Secondly, Baptism for Remission of Sins that applies to us today did Not apply to the thief on the cross seeing that he lived and died under the Old Covenant/Old Law/Old Testament made through Moses. The New Covenant/New Testament/New Law given through our MESSIAH went into Effect After the Death of CHRIST. Hebrews 9:17 For a Testament is of Force After men are Dead: otherwise, it is of No strength at all while the Testator Liveth. Also, John 1:17 For the Law was given by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by YESHUA CHRIST. . We can see these principles after my SAVIOUR Rose from the dead and before HE ascended into Heaven. HE gave commandments to HIS apostles in Mark 16:16 He that Believeth and is Baptized shall be Saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. This is under the New Covenant/New Testament of CHRIST that applies to us today but did Not apply to the thief on the cross. Faith only will Not save. Baptism only will Not save but Both are Essential for Salvation. . The Holy Bible does not say whether or not the thief on the cross (Luke 23:43) was Baptized before he was on the cross, but we do know a sinner has to be Baptized to be Saved (Mark 16:16) under the New Law/New Covenant. . As my LORD lived HE could save Any One from their sins and Anyway HE chose. Thus the sinner of Luke 18:10-14 was Justified and the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43 was promised Paradise, because these incidence happened Before YESHUA Death. When YESHUA died, salvation can only be given according to the conditions of HIS Will. . This is where the costly mistake is made. Countless numbers of people are patterning their salvation like the sinner of Luke 18 and the thief on the cross. However, this does Not meet the conditions of the will found after YESHUA Death. In order to be saved today, we Must Hear (John 6:44-45), Believe (Romans 10:17), Repent (Luke 13:3,5), Confess (Matthew 10:32; Romans 10:10), and be Baptized (Mark 16:16). To fail to do these is making a costly mistake because our souls are at risk! . In summary, concerning the thief on the cross we read of a Believing and Penitent sinner and a Compassionate and Forgiving SAVIOR. Concerning salvation for anyone living today under CHRISTS New Law/Covenant/New Testament we must accept all that is written and be willing to Believe that CHRIST is the SON Of GOD. Mark 16:15-16, Repent and turn from our sins. Acts 2:37-38; Confess our Faith that YESHUA CHRIST is the SON of GOD. Acts 8:36-37, and be Baptized for the Remission of Sins. Acts 22:16. Please Consider in View of Eternity!

[@eliphasphiri4090]

What makes the church of Christ a cult is the cliam that its the only true church OTC ❤

[@st.christopher1155]

It is ironic that neither of these groups are willing to discuss in depth the origins of their theology and the history of your founders. Both John Calvin and Alexander Campbell completely miss the mark when it comes to the truth about salvation in Christ Jesus. John Calvin was a murderous man and a fatalistic Gnostic and Alexander Campbell did not even believe his own teachings about baptism. In fact, he never got rebaptised after supposedly getting his revelation about “restoring the gospel”. So by a strict following of the CoC’s interpretation, their very church’s founder is in hell right now. But he is not alone, as John Calvin is likely right there beside him. ✝️🙏🏼📖

[@tylerbird5413]

The churches founder is Jesus Christ (Matt. 16:18). You should watch part one of this series as Aaron and Don do a wonderful job explaining who Alexander Campbell was, he was just a man that wanted to restore the church back to the New Testament from reformers like Calvin. The church does not go by any of his teachings because he never came up with his own teachings, he just realized he wasn't doing what the Bible said to do and he along with his family were baptized into Christ. Unfortunately Im sure there may be some religious organizations with Church of Christ on their building that is teaching error, it sounds like Trey was attending one of those, but The one true church of the New Testament only goes by the teachings of God's inspired word. We have nothing to do with Alexander Campbell.

[@Andrea-in9hs]

Study your Bible young men. Seek truth.

[@speakeasyarchives8764]

You don't need a multipart series trying to defend that the COC is not a cult. It is a cult. When you tell people that playing instruments when serving God is a sin and is tied to your salvation that is a cult teaching. Paul says it's a different gospel.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

Can you please post a link to the 2 witness evidence that they teach that it is a SIN tied to your salvation to play instruments? (I would LOVE to see this evidence of this false gospel teaching!) of course if you can not provide this evidence, you are literally putting forth a false witness... and THAT is a huge sin so, please provide your evidence! Thanks!

[@speakeasyarchives8764]

@inTruthbyGrace my ex COC teacher at the local church in Kilgore Texas told me that.

[@speakeasyarchives8764]

@inTruthbyGrace it's good to know that I can have instruments in worshipping God and its not a sin attached to my salavation. You are the first COC person that inferred this.

[@kac0404]

All of the passages that deal with music in the worship of the church use the words “singing”, “sing”, or “fruit of our lips”, except for Ephesians 5:19 which reads, “making melody”. This is a translation of the Greek word psallo. It was synonymous with the word “sing” and is translated so in all of the other passages where it is used. If there be any argument about this word, Paul tells us what instrument to psallo with: “the heart”. Since Paul is giving a command, if he had reference to playing a mechanical instrument of music we would all be obligated to do so. It would not be optional, but mandatory for every Christian. The early church did not understand it this way, as they never worshiped God with a mechanical instrument. Therefore, instrumental music in worship is an addition to the word of God. From passages such as Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32 and Revelation 22:18-19 we learn that God would not have us to add to His word. As Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 4:6, “Learn not to go beyond the things which are written” (ASV). In 1 Timothy 1:3, Paul admonishes, “teach no other doctrine”. Remember, “Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ, hath not God”

[@speakeasyarchives8764]

@kac0404 when you tie salvation to instruments that's a faults gospel.

[@Dodge57-sm4ii]

You are wrong!

[@TwinPinesFarms]

Please stop showing their clips. I've pulled all of my hair out.

[@lesliesavage9229]

This guy in the green shirt has no idea what he is talking about.

[@ronaldharding3927]

Of course. All religions and their different sects are a cult, by definition. It is from the cult that a society belongs to that it gets/develops its "culture. The Church of Christ is sect/denomination that has its beginnings in the Baptist and Presbyterian sects of Christianity. Alexander and John Campbell felt that Baptists and Presbyterians were two liberal and pulled out and formed the "Christian"/Disciples of Christ, but it wasn't long before they split and Alexander, John's son, pulled out and formed the Church of Christ.

[@ronaldharding3927]

That would be "too" liberal. Sorry about that.

[@lorainabogado]

Yes it’s a cult

[@michellewilson2995]

Can you back that up with scripture? You can't just say something, make an accusation and leave it there. That is not an intelligent argument.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

your evidence would be much appreciated by me, the producers of this video and especially Trey (he is a bit empty handed in proving the Church of Christ teach the Calvinist precepts he has ascribed to CoC).... so please, we are seeking sources to refute or confirm this allegation...

[@lorainabogado]

@@inTruthbyGrace Well, nowhere in the Old Testament does it discuss having the messiah come to earth twice because the job was not finished the first time. That makes you part of a Jewish cult.