THIS TITANIUM BICYCLE REALLY IMPRESSED ME!! *BLACKHEART ROAD TI* (MODERN TITANIUM)

[@GCPerformance18]

Some people really say titanium has a certain feel to the bike and that it is superiors riding experience then all other materials..... I don't know how to speak on that but there is something special about this bike, it is NOTICABLY more comfortable then a lot of the other bikes i ride but at the same does not lack the performance I thought it would compared to the high end aero bikes. Maybe its the dropped seat stays on the titanium for the added comfort or the internal cables ink the cockpit that added the extra aero to the bike but, I think this is my favorite go to bike right now, I will be riding this on A1A for a while.... Call it what you want but I would be extremely happy if I made the purchase on a bike like this just with the overall ride, checks all the boxes on how I would want a bike to perform and it is something different then what everyone else has and gives you some character to the bike your riding which I love :)..... stay tuned where I am going to take a blow torch to it to add some colors to it 😮😮😮

[@thomasullmann7447]

I ride Ti bikes and ai think the comfort thing is a bit of nonsense. If its well made it should be stronger than carbon and easier to see if there is damage, they also suit mounts/fittings for touring better and heavish loads. I built my falath evo this year and was surprised that its pretty much as comfortable as my Ti touring bike

[@___Bebo___]

Steel and Ti bikes absorb vibrations better than carbon, that is what you are feeling. Not being bounced up and down and rattled by your bike, enjoy.

[@willspower3]

@@thomasullmann7447 Probably more of an indictment of the Elves, Venge, and Winspace having awful compliance due to chunky aero seat posts rather than any inherent advantage in Ti. Ti having special comfort qualities is a false narrative, and unneeded. It's a great material for bike frames for other reasons that are actually valid.

[@thomasullmann7447]

@@willspower3 Well Id say the difference between the two in terms of comfort is minimal, and given the different wheel sets and tyres I cant say the frame even has played a role in my experience. The main type of cycling I have done over the past 13 years has been riding with a tent and guitar, living in rain, snow and sun and going across various countries, some days up to 400km. When Ive arrived in cities I wanted to have a bike that is nimble and mobile. I've also wanted a bike that doesn't rust, is robust along the x y z axis, and that can hold a decent weight on the seatstays. Since my Armenia adventure setup (the background picture in my youtube profile) Ive built a dropbar Ti bike for added performance/positioning. Ti frames are great for various reasons that I think are underplayed with too much focus on the comfort issue which is more likely to come with seatpost material/shape and geometry.

[@queayai558]

anyone knows if this fits 32/35mm tyre?

[@nitrouspeed3583]

I was riding by Venice CA and unfortunately got a puncture that took forever to seal. I pulled into a shop called Luft to just ask for some air so I could get home. The owner of Black Heart was there and was super friendly, he gave me a pump and offered to throw a tube in for me just cause. Very nice guy

[@GCPerformance18]

thats awesome, yea that is there home base I think for the bike for the first dealer

[@Real28]

I have a Lynskey Helix Pro. The ride is sublime. I am not out here trying to compete for strava KOMs. I just wanna ride, have fun doing it, be comfortable and look good. Mine was originally 5600 but i got it on an overstock sale for 2800. Worth EVERY penny.

[@GCPerformance18]

same here, when I take this bike out I just go out for fun its a blast

[@robbchastain3036]

Thanks, GC, and I think you have articulated what a lot of us are thinking, why pay 15-grand on a latest-and-greatest carbon bike which, as we see with designs and trends, will look like a dated bicycle before long and will not last as long as a frame in metal such as titanium. So I am all for a gorgeous titanium bike such as this, something to be enjoyed for years and then, perhaps, by a family member or someone who appreciates timeless bike tech and design.

[@GCPerformance18]

Really a bike that grabs the attention of a lot of people and stands out. It’s like the word titanium holds great value

[@timlee3000]

Thanks!

[@GCPerformance18]

thank you so much for that!@!!!! that is awesome

[@FrankMacDonaldskye]

Thanks

[@GCPerformance18]

wow thank you so so much!!!

[@_MrSnrub]

I love the black and silver, looks classy and modern simultaneously. Gorgeous bike.

[@rowinssonmorillo604]

I am a lover of titanium bicycles. I currently have four, but I have to admit that the designer of this frame took great care of the design and aesthetics.

[@GCPerformance18]

this bike is very modern design

[@RomeoSantiago8541]

I had been in contact with Zach regarding this bike.......been back and forth about buying a second bike.......this video convinced me to buy it.....good stuff

[@GCPerformance18]

Hell yea!!! This bike is awesome and timeless. I am really enjoying my time on it

[@daviddjerassi]

Thank you a great review GC a life time frame no other needed love the video.

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks so much

[@hamedizzy5137]

I just got mine it fitted with duraace and DT Swiss ERC. Love this bike.

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

Awesome video,the long wait is over.Glad you recieved all the parts and respectable weight to.Save riding.💯👌🏻🚴‍♀️

[@kevin-joelcoupland5106]

Beautiful build - well done I love the aero rims combined with the smaller tubing from Titanium or Steel

[@GCPerformance18]

this is my go to bike

[@aidanmasterson50]

I just love the look of this bike.

[@Strange_Brew]

I bought a Litespeed Ti bike in 2017 , all carbon parts. Sram Red. I sold the Felt and Cervello carbon bikes. Yes, the Ti litespeed is a bit slower than the Cervello R3 however the ride feel and lifetime durability outweighs everything else. The “cool” factor is another perk.. I’d go with Litespeed bikes. As an engineer I can say titanium is a very hard substance to work with. Litespeed has decades of experience with Ti dating back to the Lunar lander.

[@GCPerformance18]

I hear you, and i understand this, but for me I enjoy the looks of a bike as well as how it rides, I know this might not make sense to you, but this is what I enjoy. and that is what really matters

[@driliagor]

Agree. Bikes are like cars. It HAS to be beautiful. If you don’t like how the bike looks, who cares if it rides better…

[@wood1030]

Love this bike! I’ve had Ti bikes in the past, Merlin road frame and a Lightspeed Mtn hardtail. You’re right to say Ti bikes don’t necessarily give you the performance of other materials, particularly Carbon Aero bikes, but what they do give you is a “magic” ride feel that is comfy, relatively light and very subtle road feel. Maybe not the best climbers in the world because of the sort of soft compliance (flex) but it is an all-day-ride comfort. The thing I loved most about having a ti bike is it’s durability, low maintenance, doesn’t corrode or scar like other frame materials, so you don’t really have to worry about little everyday scratches and nicks like you would a painted frame and just the exclusive feeling of having a (Simi) exclusive material between your legs. It’s a material that can literally last your lifetime and beyond. The aesthetics of this particular brand is awesome, especially for the price. Bringing modern tech like internal cable routing, slick graphics, dropped chain stays and mad flexibility in tire sizes is not something you see everyday in a disc wheeled Tianium bike these days. BIG 👍🏽 for Blackheart for bringing it the masses!

[@ravianantharamaiah7567]

Beautiful bike, congratulations. I use a Lynskey Helix endurance.

[@GCPerformance18]

Thank you so much and that is a very nice bike

[@peterago1082]

Everyone should own a Ti bike, the ride is so much better than cf, i own a Trek Madone SLR, E'monda SLR and Litespeed Forzi FI, L1SL and just picked up a Ultimate G2 Gravel bike , love them better than the Treks

[@seanbresnahan2149]

if you haven't taken the torch to the frame yet you might want to ask the engineers at black heat what they think about the idea the heat could change the structural integrity of the titanium. I am not a metallurgist but it's better to ask one before than after

[@GCPerformance18]

I never did it, I spoke to a couple people including the owner of blackheart and he was all for it, and then I had someone who actually did it to the tubes aqnd it looked cool but I didnt know how i feel about doing it to a new beautiful frame, it might make it look cheap

[@jwfriar]

That bike is really good looking. They did a great job. A touch chonky and of course no aero tubing, but I’ll bed that cockpit makes up for it. The welds are so clean and the raw titanium is badass. Wonder what it would weigh with Ultegra or DA. You should test a spare piece of titanium from them before you put any flames to that thing!

[@blackheartbikeco]

Thanks! The downtube is a kammtail shape. Hard to see the in video 🖤

[@carl90210]

Reginald Scot is a massive fan of titanium. He’s the mechanic who once schooled Hambini on bearing extraction.

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao ooooo shitttt, But I def think the main thing for titanium is, it is just really different, kind of like a luxury sedan comfort level but AMG performance, it is really fun, not as punchy or snappy as a a race track car but more comfy

[@jwfriar]

Every video I’ve seen of Hambini is him basically shitting in every single bike he sees. Do people enjoy listening to him or find value in what he says? A fair review points out good and bad, but he’s just “everything is crap”

[@quynho5265]

It's almost selection bias imo. He shits on the bikes because people bring shit bikes to him to fix. On the other hand, he gives glowing reviews to Look and Time frames, which I have seen other people praise as well, so I guess he shits on bikes that are manufactured poorly and praise bikes that are well made. I have seen enough from him and other reviewers to trust what he says on the manufacturing quality.

[@jwfriar]

@@quynho5265 I can’t listen to more than 5 mins of his shrill voice, so I don’t know. But the 20 or so reviews I’ve seen are all not only negative, but very unprofessional. I’ve learned to ignore him and guys like Durianrider

[@carl90210]

@@jwfriar Durianrider is the biggest troll in cycling.

[@techstryker]

আলহামদুলিল্লাহ এটা খুবই ভালো সাইকেল অনেক বেশি বহুল পরিমাণে তিরোহিত বিশ্ব বাসির বিখ্যাত। উচ্চ বিত্তশালী দেশগুলোতে নিশ্চয়ই ছলে, আমাদের দেশের অনেক সময় নাই বললেই চলে ❤বাংলাদেশ

[@thomasneddon]

What do you think about using Ti for an all road/gravel superbike? Aggressive geometry + 45mm tyres? Been debating whether I sell my Time ADHX and go back to Ti

[@GCPerformance18]

it owuld work perfect in the certain specification

[@Incaensio]

Channel is doing great man, grats 🎉

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks so much!!!! I always appreciate seeing the familiar comments

[@peteransel2715]

The 31.6 mm seatpost is an odd and outdated choice IMO. For a non-aero bike, 27.2 mm is a better choice both for weight savings and compliance. My 2015 Litespeed Ti Gravel also came with a 31.6 seatpost. Luckily the seatpost reducer from Problem Solver, allowed me to switch to a 27.2 seatpost.

[@hamedizzy5137]

Can you get your hands on the Ribble all road Ti?

[@iecrime]

Almost went with a Blackheart earlier this year after trying out a friend's ti bike. It's a damn nice looking bike. Ultimately opted to go steel w/a Ritchey Road Logic, which has the same ride quality hype around it. I imagine that I'd like the Blackheart as much as I do my Ritchey.

[@HarishChouhan]

Your videos make my screen bright no matter the screen setting

[@n22pdf]

Awesome love titanium 😊 and steel frames.. Pete

[@steveransom8134]

Love this bike!! I think I am going to order one. Quick question, you say 32mm tire clearance but the website says 34. Did they change the design? Also, did you ever take a torch to the frame? I am curious about the results. Are you concerned about the heat impacting the alignment? I would love to see a video about that! Thanks for all the great work you do. Always a fan.

[@GCPerformance18]

I never took a torch to it but I had people give me examples. I didn’t want to ruin the look of it. Tire size was 32 but maybe people have been getting away with 34 so better clearance for you.

[@steveransom8134]

@@GCPerformance18OK, cool. Thanks for the follow up. Much appreciated :-)

[@reginerdtv]

I've had my eye on the all road for a lil bit. Blackheart bikes looks sick

[@GCPerformance18]

go for it,. no lie this is a bike I am very happy for and is going to be my new group ride bike for a while

[@mavericklimsk]

Gorgeous looking bike 😍

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks ✌️

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Damn, Stunning bike.

[@carboncrank2250]

Excited to see the Alugear company coming along. They told me they're working on the 2x with 54t to 56t and 42t chainrings. With power meter cutouts too. Glad some competition is coming. Rotor stopped making the bigger rings with cutouts and my dura ace 54t 42t cost 3 kidneys. 😂

[@ccampbell1117]

Ribble in the UK have been doing Ti bikes with dropped seat stays for a couple of years now at very affordable price. Frames probably sourced from China though.

[@driliagor]

Ribble frames are even more sleek. Imagine titanium Sworks Tarmac sl7

[@julianallen515]

To be clear the frames along with the forks and seat posts are made in Taiwan/China and assembled in California. It is not a US made Ti frame.

[@blackheartbikeco]

Correct

[@kristenkuzemko9324]

@julianalle515 i also believe that most if not all Titanium is mined over seas and not in the USA. US manufacturers purchase their Ti tubing outside of the USA.

[@matthewturosz4639]

@GC, I'm looking at the Black Heart. If you had to choose between group set and wheels, which would you prioritize? If I get AXS Rival, I can get better wheels. If I get the Force, it will be the stock wheels. With this trade-off, what would you prioritize?

[@GCPerformance18]

if it s the new force, get trhe force it is sucha rpetty and nice group, if it is old force get the rival

[@matthewturosz4639]

@GCPerformance18 Thank you sir. Good info to confirm whether the new Force group is being used. I always miss some "mundane detail" like this.😫

[@festerofest4374]

If you're going to flame the frame, might I suggest starting on the underneath areas (BB, lower back of downtube etc). Flip the frame upside-down to start. That way you get your practice and learning curve started on the least visible area rather than the most!

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks for the tips!

[@brianskies]

I have an old school Italian Faggin road bike that I would Love to upgrade but I feel limited on parts. Just the steerer tube is already 1" and I cant really find brake levers for rim brakes that are not electronic. Also not sure if they have full groupsets for it Nice bike!

[@victorportillaplaza1541]

What specific groupset is installed in the RoadTi?

[@Gramkan]

Bars are the one pro from ali express, they have a good rep

[@festerofest4374]

The bronze chain and other bits look really nice against the Ti.. understated and not too blingy. The Silca Ti bottle cages will complete it nicely!

[@GCPerformance18]

Yea I figured to give it a pop of color on there

[@justinfo-jepy355]

Very beautiful bike!... Im on a low budget so i got a very rare Kona Rove Ti 2014 model. Lynskey made it for them.. its not ThruAxle but im loving it already. cant wait to start my build... im gonna throw a GRX and XTR mix groupset, mavic wheelset and 45c Pirelli tires...

[@GCPerformance18]

sounds like a nice build

[@andrewa.3304]

Nice bike for sure! Where did those handle bar tape? I want one

[@mfa81]

I cant think of myself spending Moots or Mosaic prices, Blackheart seems to be the way to go for your first Ti bike and maybe last based on what I can see in the reviews! I want that bar tape so bad! impossible to find in the US! WTH!!!

[@GCPerformance18]

it is for sure, if you are consiudering ti in 2024 this is the front runner for the ti bikes

[@daniellarson3068]

Will a torch ruin the temper of the metal?

[@c.d.willis4278]

Lite speed T5 comes with an extended head tube.

[@GCPerformance18]

this fork can be cut alittle higher for more spacers if needed

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Love the 1 by. You do you.

[@GCPerformance18]

1x for life on all my bikes

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@GCPerformance18 next chance you get do a 1x Mullet gravel bike in SRAM with that giant MTB pizza sized rainbow cassette and rainbow chain with Red AXS shifters and crazy 246mm Galfer brake wave rotors. I double dog dare you.

[@bonn1771]

very nice bike my friend order 1 a few months ago

[@jakenevin2875]

Looks like the handlebar supplier could be the same as The One Pro bar

[@GCPerformance18]

it si not the same drops, but who knows

[@andrehendrik]

maybe blowtorch the LV bartape instead : )

[@GCPerformance18]

Lmfao

[@bubby372]

The welds on aluminum Treks are invisible.

[@crisptitanium]

Long live titanium!

[@LagunaRider1961]

Love the bike! Which bar tape is that? (Sorry I couldn’t hear too well 😂)

[@asengkafir]

Burgh cyling bar tape

[@NoahStephens]

It’s beautiful. Impressive speed too.

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks!!!

[@SuperDodoe]

Excellent....Thank you!

[@GCPerformance18]

Thank you too!

[@joelin6681]

Any more info on the wheels?

[@GCPerformance18]

stil riding them

[@mlee6050]

Funny hearing titanium last longer than carbon, though so many saying carbon will last for life

[@davidhunternyc1]

The BLACKHEART ROAD TI is gorgeous !!! If they could figure out how to shave off 3 pounds, this would sell like hotcakes. Many enthusiasts are weight weenies and, for better or worse, they're the ones with money. Also, I don't agree about the black logo. I hate logos. Keep them subtle as is.

[@GCPerformance18]

they are so nice

[@joea7339]

Compliant on roads that are smooth as silk? Bring that bad daddy out to Southern California where our roads are like cobblestones almost everywhere we ride!

[@GCPerformance18]

yea but also the aero bikes here are so stiff that you stil have those unpleasent rides so this was noticeable ride difference in terms of comfort and I realy did enjoy this ride a olot

[@BrianMcDonald]

I was checking out this brand and was definitely interested because of the UDH compatibility. I think if you could get a frameset for a bit under 3000, I would pick one up as a "bike for life". I think (for me) an ideal bike from them for me would be something inbetween the road ti and the all road ti as far as geometry goes, with the dropped stays of the road as well as the full cable integration, while having some extra mounting bolts and a little more tire clearance like 42mm. I'm also looking forward to more 3d printed titanium integration in ti bikes as they will allow for aero shapes in the head tube etc like a Falkenjagd Aristos R Gravel bike.

[@georgzwiebel9585]

a custom frame costs $ 880 plus shipping if you order from their manufacturer directly.

[@millermiller75]

What’s the max chainring size for 1x?

[@blackheartbikeco]

50T

[@devintom4346]

Siiiickk....just....sick 🚲🚲🚲

[@robertm9151]

rim brake and mechanical and this is my dream bike

[@GCPerformance18]

he does not make rim brake

[@robertm9151]

that sucks @@GCPerformance18

[@hernanhernandez3861]

it's beautiful....

[@GCPerformance18]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@strikeIII]

Titanium is just another kind of ride. Nothing like it. Love Titanium. I'll take the weight penalty of a Ti bike over anything.

[@luisfernandogalich6198]

What type of chain is that?

[@GCPerformance18]

Sram xx1 eagle chain

[@sillypuddystl2907]

Beautiful!!

[@GCPerformance18]

Thank you! 😊

[@mrluis9456]

Dope frame for the price 👍🏾

[@krissk77]

Looks neat... .. the rotor is not heavy..... what's it with negligible weights and some cyclists... nit a fun of 1x chain ring... mine has to be 2x...

[@erikthys3911]

Ti stands for Timeless

[@nlfiets]

I always wonder if a titanium frame is heat treated after welding. It should be to prevent cracks at the welds.

[@thedronescene7474]

Nice bike! Isnt that bike to small for you? Even with the stack, the drop seems massive. I think you need a 58 on that frame with no stacks.

[@GCPerformance18]

I’ve always ridden a 56. I started out on 58 when I first started riding. But the 56 just feels better to me easier to maneuver and ride on. Get over the cranks easier

[@thedronescene7474]

@@GCPerformance18 I hear you. But, some bikes even though the size is the “same” the way they fit is different. For example, I am 56 with Cervelo, Cannondale and many more but with Moots Vamoots CRD I am a 58. I know it makes no sense but thay is just how complicated bike fits are lol

[@HOG4DNR]

Hows the stiffness?

[@GCPerformance18]

Really good!! The bike is very stiff laterally where you want it to be, but like I mentioned with the drop seat stays the bike is very comfortable

[@robp.8807]

Looks great.

[@GCPerformance18]

Thanks!

[@elialexander-tanner5784]

Almost 19 pounds...My CAAD13 is under 17, I don't know how Cannondale does it!

[@GCPerformance18]

yea but this bike is not meant for light weight I could get it that weight this is 105 di2, and heavy wheels

[@whunderwhoiam2489]

wtf are those rims, I can't find them anywhere online.

[@GCPerformance18]

I have a video coming very soon they are very very nice I have had them on three different bikes pertualbike.com/

[@Livitt351]

Nice one

[@astrayagrarian]

Gold chain throws off the entire aesthetic.

[@GCPerformance18]

It’s copper

[@robertgreiner4703]

I'd Like to see a Titanium TT bike

[@bonbonflippers4298]

There was a company called Guru back around early 2000s to 2014. They actually made an aero looking tt specific frame.

[@GCPerformance18]

Would be insane

[@justintonel1920]

#foreverTI

[@mada4137]

perfect... 100%

[@laneromel5667]

I love Ti bikes, hate 1x drivetrain. I am 70 and cannot get up the 20% grades like I used to. For me a 1x does not have a high enough top gear, and not low enough low gear, 1x is great on the flats though. I purchased my Ti bike from Walty in China, welds are perfect, got the same geometry as my 71 PX10. I have ridden modern aluminium frames, most of them broke. With the exception of the Conondale Slice, they all sucked compared to the PX10.

[@GCPerformance18]

Easily just make it a 2x

[@dodoslovensko]

eLECTRIC GROUP ONLY ?

[@GCPerformance18]

yes

[@OM-sb2bd]

Gorgeous bike!! I love titanium bikes. (do I have a “hard on for titanium” ….. hmmmmm ……. oh yeah baby yes I do!” 😂

[@Lou-Lou.]

95psi on 28mm tyres seems bonkers

[@GCPerformance18]

Yea I know. I’m still getting use to the lower pressure. I just don’t like the squish. I have now gone down to 85 psi or 80 but that’s it

[@Lou-Lou.]

@GCPerformance18 that sounds more like it 😊 I know what you mean it feels odd at first after rock hard 25mm but all the tests I've seen say that you don't loose any speed but gain more comfort, what's not to love 😉

[@galenkehler]

Not using a Ti fork is a strange choice. The fork has as much if not more impact on the ride quality even than the fork. I have a Ti fork that has a fantastic ride, even though i dont have a Ti bike (yet)

[@GCPerformance18]

Enve has a good name to entice the carbon riders to bring them over lol

[@thomasullmann7447]

There's an advantage to having internal cabling on Ti frames, less holes means less likely to crack. Titanium can be prone to cracks at stress points and is relatively common around holes put in the frame. Any intense heating of points of the frame, such as welding, increases the brittleness of the metal. That all said, for my touring bike I'm glad its external cabling so as to work on whilst on the road. I've toured on Ti for nearly 15 years, across battered roads in Ukraine, Balkans,Georgia etc. My dearest frame ended up being cracked after I was hit by a car, though my ankle was cracked too :/

[@blackheartbikeco]

Thanks for the feedback. Any routing holes in our bikes are reinforced with a welded plate. We haven't had any issues with our Ti frames, but offer a lifetime warranty for the original owner just in case.

[@thomasullmann7447]

Working with Ti is a real skill, I think it is likely unestimated the difference between a quality Ti frame and a poor one given how important the welding is. I certainly don't get the impression that your frames are being rushed, they look pretty amazing!@@blackheartbikeco I still think that it is nevertheless a good thing if routing holes are minimised as every weld has its risks. That said, personally my only cracked Ti frame was from being hit, the only other frame I've had crack on me was a 90's steel frame. Every material has potential weaknesses. Enjoy your bike building and riding, I have no doubt that what you are making is of real quality.

[@mehurar]

What a beatу!

[@michaelmechex]

"I never use 105 rotors because they're so damn heavy" the difference is literally 19 grams lol

[@2kull]

I seen a review where a 1970's bike was put up against a new carbon bike and they came in 45 seconds faster, just get an aluminum bike you will be fine.

[@rrkk773]

How does this brand compare to Lynskey?? @GC Performance

[@GCPerformance18]

I have not rode that brand. But this brand literally has all the traits of a modern bike, internal cables, 1 piece bar and stem, t47bb, dropped seat stays and had the comfort of titanium. It’s a bike that could be the Sunday cruiser bike or really hold its own in a fast pace group ride. It’s a blast

[@m280aa]

where is such a nice sidewalk trail and empty road in south florida? lovely ti bike def going to have to buy. great channel man subbed!

[@tadziu2400]

Bike is wheels and groupset. Frame is just a stick that holds all together. Doesn't matter If It is made from carbon, bamboo or dog's shit. As long as It holds everything in 1 place, It is good. The only difference between frames when It comes to the price is weight and I figured It out when riding different bikes and different parts over many years.

[@festerofest4374]

What? I couldn't disagree more. The geometry, design and how the materials are used around the frame COMPLETLEY dictate the ride feel and handling. The groupset has nothing to do with and the wheels, unless your're comparing low-end vs high-end there's not a ton of difference there. The frame creates most of the ride feel and there are HUGE differences.

[@tadziu2400]

@@festerofest4374 geometry doesn't affect price of the frame. Just material and logo

[@donwinston]

You are going to ruin the finish if you torch it. You’ll almost surely make a mess.

[@michaelmechex]

for sure, it will change colors, but it will be splotchy and ugly

[@GCPerformance18]

Okay lemme do more research but let’s see

[@Colinke]

First!

[@ShawnIsBatman]

I have always thought about ti being potentially the ultimate 'forever bike' if you took the time to get a quality, perhaps custom build and spec the bike out with quality components. Given that you would be sacrificing chasing the latest 'fad' and with carbon, but for the vast majority of riders (who are not chasing the last 1%) chasing the fads only benefits the vendors who are selling them.

[@EstelonAgarwaen]

the wheels look a LOT like campagnolo shamal carbon wheels. lust a tad lighter.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea they do, they are bad ass wheels i have a video coming out on these very soon

[@nabenduroy8680]

8.54 not 45

[@GCPerformance18]

yes

[@NiohNiohYT]

The only issue with titanium bikes is that they are noticeably less comfortable than carbon ones, carbon can be made so crazily flexible with UD carbon in the upper half of frame it's insane, like a suspension, while still being much stiffer than titanium in the lower half of frame. Also it's even lighter at the same time, and much less prone to thermal expansion and therefore changes in density, carbon simply lasts longer. And titanium is not even cheaper lol! It can even cost a bit more

[@GCPerformance18]

no lie I think with this new dropped seat stays like I mentioned before this bike was a dream to ride compared to my heavily aero bikes i am use to riding and i foyu know anything baout aero bikes, it is that the vertical compliancy of those bikes are shit and very stiff so this bike Like i said in the video was a super nice ride compared to what I was riding before, and I have to think its the seat stays that helped it out