Please if you have any questions that I didn’t touch on. Feel free to ask. This bike I rotate in between the sl8 and its working great
@findsun20056 ай бұрын
Does it support brake lever reach adjustment? Thanks!
@zero85ZEN6 ай бұрын
Same question, reach adjustment? I have this group and I see what I think is reach adjustment on the upper inside of the levers but I haven’t played with turning the screws yet. And I can’t find any information in the manual regarding reach adjustment.
@bitchoflivingblah6 ай бұрын
battery life / battery changing?
@zero85ZEN6 ай бұрын
There is reach adjustment. Mine were shipped set to the shortest reach adjustment.
@MediaProConcept6 ай бұрын
Can your Garmin reads gears and battery levels on them?
@certain_ed6 ай бұрын
The dentist beside your shop must be your number 1 customer
@telkmx6 ай бұрын
such a moronic comment lmao
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Hahahhaa I knew someone would say that
@savagepro90606 ай бұрын
it's called an oral contract
@tbone-ip5fi6 ай бұрын
He has a sweet tooth for bikes. (Sorry)
@doctorscoot6 ай бұрын
every top bike in stock eh? is that who the LOOK build was for?! are there any guitar shops nearby? he probably has an extensive collection of PRS ten-tops and fender custom shops.
@xaein95156 ай бұрын
I'm just glad stuff like these are out there, goes to show that it is doable for that price range.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes it is nice and puts some pressure on the big name companies for cheaper groups
@screaming_quagga6 ай бұрын
I have this group set, last week or so. They did an update on the app. And added amt+ technology. So a Garmin now connects with gearing and battery life with the rear derailleur. That's a big plus. But yes, the way that you adjust the shifting and the gears. It's very non-intuitive. It does work but you really have to spend some time to figure it out. The update was definitely welcome though for the Garmin. Lastly, I figured out if you leave it in casual mode, the derailleurs fully go to sleep. If you leave it in race mode, the derailleurs does not fully go to sleep and you'll lose battery life slowly. And then at 20%, it automatically goes to casual mode. That's all in the update
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yea I keep it in casual mode just becaue I want longer battery life and the lack of shifting i do, but yes they do need to adjust the shifting setup in the app, just make it so it adjusts in real time
@NoahStephens6 ай бұрын
Cheap things are cheap.
@allanscott7986 ай бұрын
I ordered one from Aliexpress and they are shipping to the US. The availability of a rim brake version sealed the deal for me.
@GeorgeD16 ай бұрын
- How do you know someone rides a rim brake bike without having seen the bike? - Don't worry, they'll tell you about it first. :D
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Wow nice
@MazingerZX6 ай бұрын
Waiting for rim brake version review…
@whynotride3276 ай бұрын
@@GeorgeD1 Feel better about yourself now?
@GeorgeD16 ай бұрын
@@whynotride327 Yes, because I actually understand light-hearted humour. ;)
@zhuyufan11866 ай бұрын
I bought two of these. I believe for western customers, this groupset is better used for their secondary bikes due to the warranty. In China though, wheeltop's warranty policy is superb, I broke my front Derailleur cage due to my own fault, but they replaced mine with new cage free of charge. This groupset has come a long way after May's firmware update, know we have ant+ function so gearing can be seen on bike computers. The auto trimming seems to be a lot quiter on the front derailleur when riding in large chainring than it used to be. Also, the newer version of manual makes it much easier to setup this group (I hope newer manual will be avalible in English). At this moment, my main complains are the stiff shifter hood, which makes the brake bleeding a real pain. Also, waterproofing on both shifters and derailleurs, as there are report of water intrusion on all these parts after heavy rain riding. But in my overall experience with the group is pretty positive. If wheeltop solves all the issue I mentioned above, the EDS TX will be a very competitive groupset on the market. To those who keeps complaining about the pricing of this kit, please remember a 105 di2 groupset can be had at this price because of questionable sources these 105 di2 come from. If you can buy a set of 105 di2 in retail packaging at this price, then ignore my words. Also, an random seller on Xianyu is selling what he claims to be a set of counterfeit 105 di2 , I hope thats a scam, but it is worring.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yea the hoods are so tight, the quality is great but it is like you said very difficult to move, even for wrapping handlebars, and like you said people are seeing 105 di2 for cheap, but keep in mind, buying from a retail store in united states or online it is still like 1700-2000 for a complete group, all the other prices are from eu and uk and china..... the shifting has always been great for what the price is and the overall expereince of the group is nice and i have no need to remove it from a bike I use a good amount
@MediaProConcept6 ай бұрын
Counterfeit Di2? I would certainly wanna see them and know more about it.
@owensnicholas6 ай бұрын
Grant is the kind of guy who measures his hand with his other hand. ‘Oh, look. It’s one hand big.’ ;) Love your videos dude.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Of course!!! Hands are big
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
If you have questions that I did not touch on please let me know. I rotate this bike into the fleet and try to ride once a week if not once every other week. Never had an issue of dropped connection or faulty shifting. Just the main issue is software and a little faster front mech shifting would be preferred
@zero85ZEN6 ай бұрын
Was the shift demo you did in this video in “casual mode” or “race mode”? Race mode is supposedly quite a bit faster but I haven’t tested yet as I just finished my build yesterday.
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
I have good experiences also with it. Only gripes are pulling back the hoods for bleeding and the fact that gears show up reversed in the ant+ display. One ride there was a moment where for about 5 seconds I couldn’t shift at the rear… I was like f…. But then it came back. The battery door on my right shifter was not properly done from the factory (a bit of o-ring was sticking out). Not sure if it was that or just some interference. Other than that always worked fine !!!
@dgasmd16 ай бұрын
Is it compatible with Campagnolo cassettes, chains, and cranks? If so, this would be great to add to a rim brake bike!!!
@landonerickson80176 ай бұрын
Odd question here: does the app have a triple option for the front? I run a triple on my tandem in touring mode (otherwise, it's configured with a DA double) and this would rock for that application with how long the cables are on that rig.
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
@@landonerickson8017 Nop. And I don’t see it working properly as it only has one button for the front.
@ciprian76 ай бұрын
I appreciate the video and honesty, everyone must decide if worth buying, there is not a chance i would take this over 105 DI2 ,
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
fair enough I do these videos to show options, if you can find 105 for this cheap then it is a great group but over here in america, for my store to order a complete shimano group right now they are still like 1700-2000 in store with no price matching
@Dee-Ell6 ай бұрын
This thing supports up to 14sp, one-by and rim brakes. More future proof and less expensive. But to each their own.
@Murda26156 ай бұрын
Why must you try to shit on this man’s content. Nobody is telling you to take it over 105 di2. Maybe there’s people who want electronic but cant afford the 2k to get 105 di2
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
I love mine, has been going well so far. I paired it to Magura calipers and it brakes amazingly well !!! (Original calipers were ok, pads are the same as Shimano road) but magura is way better. Configuration takes a while, but I got used to it, you also only need to do it once, so… I like that I can upgrade the cassette to 12 or 13 spds and not need new shifters and brakes …
@jonathan_f26 ай бұрын
I opted for the LTwoo ER9 groupset. It has it's quirks and issues, but the app at least lets you adjust in real time and batteries are replaceable. Also at this point, if the ER9/X does have issues, it's most likely related to the RD. Replacement parts are currently available for purchase.
@orrinkelso92956 ай бұрын
Got mine on AliExpress. Under $600 for rim brake version. Installed on my Titanium tandem with S&S couplers. The fact that it is wireless made the upgrade easy. I thought about Shimano R8000 Ultegra, but that would have been about $1200. And running wires through the frame, past the front bottom bracket eccentric chain tension adjustment would have been very difficult. Only problem I had is on the tandem, the rear derailleur is much further away and sometimes, it doesn't get the signal to shift, and I have push shift button again. But very happy with it so far! And you are are right, the app not great, took me quite awhile to figure out.
@hill1608813 ай бұрын
That’s a two stage button. Half press has a programmable function. A full press will activate it. It’s not a distance issue. My hoods connected and shifted 20’ away when I first paired them.
@Jon-Jon536 ай бұрын
I like the micro adjust through the app. I think it's great!
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
really?
@iphone4toto4456 ай бұрын
Hello, unfortunately I don't have permission to adjust the front derailleur in the app, do you?
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
@@iphone4toto445 not since the update …
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
I like that you can adjust everything individually. If it would adjust in “real time” without having to shift up and down it wouldn’t be worse, but I got used to it.
@hxllxman6 ай бұрын
Rims brake owner will be happy 🎉
@fabianmolyneux23086 ай бұрын
Great value and from where it is, it's a group set that can only get better. I'd be willing to get this and install. I think 90% of riders would use it
@ninnutts56706 ай бұрын
So I just saw the new Pinnarello with hidden thru-axle on drive side and just realized that Windspace has already done it 😅
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
hahaha yep, also bmc has been doing this for years
@ninnutts56706 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Didn't know that. That's cool!
@alistairmacfadyen93656 ай бұрын
I am considering this product for sure the manufacturer will take on board the quality issues concerning the operation of the app and upgrade the software to make the interface more user intuitive
@henrychungfitness6 ай бұрын
I love my Wheeltop EDS TX! I got it on Ali for a great deal and replaced my Shimano 105 mech with this setup mostly because I couldn’t keep up with 4 cables in my integrated handlebar. 5 thumbs up so far and even through rain. Time will tell though 👌
@telkmx6 ай бұрын
it’s not that much cheaper than 105 di2 which can be found around 900 smtms so it’s kinda weird to justify for reliability
@collinsph51136 ай бұрын
@@telkmx the 105 di2 here in the Philippines is around 44000 to 46000 PHP upkit only / 60000 for whole groupset vs EDS 34000 PHP, considering that the eds was released just last month, that price will probably go down to 27000 to 30000, for the half price of it some might wanna try the eds first.
@joehiatt19926 ай бұрын
@@telkmx Yeh ,BUT, shimano cant be adjusted to different speeds
@telkmx6 ай бұрын
@@collinsph5113 Except the groupset isnt full for the EDS but yeah
@collinsph51136 ай бұрын
@@telkmxthe eds is 34000php (577 USD) vs 46000 105 di2 (781 USD) (sti, battery, Rd ,Fd and brakes) same with eds. 1020 USD for full groupset.
@andrewcockburn74846 ай бұрын
Given the price 105 Di2 is available for, it isn't cheap enough to bother with once you factor in spares availability etc....
@bitchoflivingblah6 ай бұрын
new chainset plus bb plus cast iron reliability plus you can swap out the batteries.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
we dont see those 105 prices here,m if I was to order this from my store 105 di2 group is stil like 1700-2000 usd for my shop store
@andrewcockburn74846 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18Fair enough. In the UK could go to Merlin cycles and get a full 105 Di2 group for £899.
@MrJwmurph6 ай бұрын
No 105 rim brake option, this is a hell of a lot cheaper than what SRAM / Shimano will sell in rim brake guise.
@SandSanta6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Really? Ordering 105 DI2 from competitive cyclist right now is $941 inc crank and cassette. I don't really see the value of these beta quality products given the broader state of the bike industry. Maybe if we compare Retail vs Retail MSRP.
@jeskli116 ай бұрын
I was upgrading my cyclocross bike (also used as a gravel bike and winter road bike) to 12speed electronic groupset from 11speed mechanical Ultegra/105 less than a month ago and this groupset was among the top considerations of what to go for. In the end I went for SRAMano - Apex AXS shifters, Rival AXS front mech, second hand Rival AXS rear mech, Magene PES P505 Base powermeter cranks with Shimano Ultegra chainrings (currently in 46/34 configuration, as I need to buy an adaptor to move the mech up to clear 50t big ring), 105 cassette, XT chain, XT rotors and Sram Level TLM brake calipers I had laying around with Shimano adaptors to fit flat mount fork - that cost me pretty much the same price, but also included a 105 cassette. If there was even cheaper variant of this groupset without the calipers with option to fit existing Shimano ones, I would most likely go with this one, but that's no longer available. Hearing your thoughts about the EDS TX, I'm glad I decided to go with what I did (I'm just not the biggest fan of tlSram's shifting logic, but that's not a huge deal and will likely change once I'll convert to 1x with GRX 820 chainring for cyclocross races).
@silverburn556 ай бұрын
You can setup individual bikes in strava btw.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
I have to take a look
@F4DZ46 ай бұрын
If compare speed of changing gears on stand or under load with shimano do it on shimano chain. Kmc chain are allways louder and slower on shimano crank and cassette than shimano chain.
@HuntShootOffroad6 ай бұрын
You can pick what bike you rode in Strava to record millage for each bike..
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes I am being told this now I will look into it lol
@HuntShootOffroad6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 there is another app called Pro Garage that can then take the Strava feed and let you know when all your items are due for service for each bike. Unfortunately it's based on MTB but it still works a treat for most items like chains etc.
@dusty_hoods6 ай бұрын
What about service? Bleeding, spare parts, sending to service center or having a service manual, support for consumers. You know, everything we use to have provided by local Shimano/Sram dealer.
@chrisscott8362Ай бұрын
The fact that they have a rim brake version is compelling.
@brianboschma6 ай бұрын
Very nice review j- thanks. Some Riders in the TDR are seeing Electronic group set failure in the cool BC/Montana weather. A trait of any lithium battery. An interesting test would be to see how far the charge on the battery drops if you cool the batteries. Try placing the bike in a meat locker in a neighboring store for a few hours, then re check battery life ?
@jepulis66746 ай бұрын
Or just freeze the batteries?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
I mean we have alot of heat over here, and also salt humidity, but I do not experience cold weather at all, but I can try to find a meat locker somewhere and put my bike in there lol
@yurekkowski3396 ай бұрын
I have lived for 6 years in China before 20 years in the USA, I own a wheeltop eds tx with a 13 speed cassette, everything works very well and I am very satisfied .In China, the 13 speed 11-34 cassette is already produced and there is an announcement that in 3 months the xdr 14 speed 10-36 cassette will be released ,chains for 13 speed have been produced for a year,the same chain will be able to be used for 14 speed ,what is happening now in China in the bicycle industry is frame 650 gram with a fork 870-890 gram , formed two companies ltwoo and wheeltop that produce groups of high quality fixtures and applicable from 7 to 14 speed no need to buy a new flu when the cartridge manufacturer will release a cartridge for 13 or 14 speed. greetings from Shenyang China.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
that is crazy news and information but i am here for it, and thank you for this, hello all the way from florida, one day I hope to make it over there for a bike show
@yurekkowski3396 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 he he I was live over 20 years in Panama City ,Florida. best regards .Com over to China please .
@glennoc85856 ай бұрын
But you won't get 14 SPD on a HG hub
@yurekkowski3396 ай бұрын
@@glennoc8585 yes next 3 months will can buy cassette 14 speed for xdr and wil can use the cassette with eds tx.
@yurekkowski3396 ай бұрын
@@glennoc8585 I have DT Swiss xdr and HG
@densyoh5 ай бұрын
have had my sram red axs since its release and have mounted it on 2 bikes now. Still the same batteries. Same with my older Ultegra 6800 Di2, since 2016 and still have alot of juice on its original batteries…It’s the best investment i did on a bike ever. I got what i paid for. I think you will get what you pay for with this set too😁
@kennycube51263 ай бұрын
If they get better reliability than you think, you may have to reassess your thoughts. How are you gonna feel if in actuality you're the one (of many) who have actually over paid for a product (albeit a quality one)?
@densyoh3 ай бұрын
@@kennycube5126 if i think? 😂i’ve been using my Red since 2019, so ‘i think’ i did not think about it LOL. Don’t impose on people what ‘you think’ about it, it’s your own experience you suck it out😂
@kennycube51263 ай бұрын
@@densyoh Lol. You prob need to start thinking as your post has nothing to do with what I said😆
@densyoh3 ай бұрын
@@kennycube5126 nah, it’s still on topic, you talk about reliability of this stuff, i talk about reliability of my sram red. Overpaid you mean? tell the manufacturers of these stuff to mount them on a Monument race like Paris-Roubaix, if no hitches i yield to whatever you want to raise. No contest. Period🤣
@nickwoods51506 ай бұрын
We all wish we had a bigger knob to hold onto 😂
@luismanrique53733 ай бұрын
bought a second set of rim brake for my 795
@GCPerformance183 ай бұрын
that is awesome!!
@BSenn116 ай бұрын
About 2 week ago, I emailed the folks at wheeltop and they stated that they are almost ready to start shipping to the USA. It was close enough that they asked me if I was interested in being one of the first ones to purchase an upgrade kit. I declined because I had already ordered a set from AE. But it seems they’re making strides to ship to USA as soon as possible.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Wow that’s crazy to hear. Sounds like they are working towards something
@joaomiragaia1736 ай бұрын
Can you make a vídeo explaining how to set up properly the gears? I cant find anywhere
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
once you buy they have an app with a video showing you how
@joaomiragaia1736 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18but how I know the precise values? By increasing 1 by 1?
@hill1608813 ай бұрын
It’s worth pointing out you can buy a 13s rotor cassette and run a 2x13s. That’s what I did. Wonderful to have 13 gears in the rear.
@TrươngQuangKha3 ай бұрын
is it any good ? I mean the shift quality. I just need something that similar to 105 but cheaper.
@hill1608813 ай бұрын
@@TrươngQuangKha yes it’s great. We have really steep grades here and the extra range and gears are perfect. Shifting more often is not an issue because it’s a button. @THEEPookiebutt did a riding review on his channel if you want to see how it works.
@jerome-f7z6 ай бұрын
Theyre selling on amazon cheaper than aliexpress! Shipping to US
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Holy cow
@charlesblithfield61826 ай бұрын
That’s a wicked looking bike! I’m looking for a groupset to put on a Panorama Cycles Taiga EXP 2 dropbar steel tour/gravel frame set and was thinking about the LTWOO GRT 12 but will look further into this one. The LTWOO one is relatively inexpensive and well reviewed in general but it’s mech. You seem to think the Wheeltop one good value. It’s funny I have been Shimano all the way but because of the prices I’m only looking at the Chinese groupsets now. Do you think it works for a gravel bike? Can’t see why not but maybe there’s something I haven’t considered.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
for gravel I do not know how iot will do with the derailer clutch, I would recommended a gravel group and I think they are working on one soon for this purpose, I do not recomened road groups for gravel
@roa53596 ай бұрын
Great review, thank you. Will this be compatible with bike computers, in my case Bryton?
@PauloSerra6 ай бұрын
Yup, it works with the latest update
@momahe6 ай бұрын
The best option with this will be to buy the new 13 speed sram cassette that’s coming out and going 1x.
@bklyncyclist6 ай бұрын
Does the rear automatically default to Shimano spacing for however many speeds you have? And if it does, will it also be able to accommodate Campy spacing? 11sp is pretty much the same between the two but 10sp is not. And will it store wheel profiles if I want to mix things up? Say a Campy 10 and a Shimano 11? I ask because my trainer is Shimano only but my bike is Chorus 10. I built a Campy spaced cassette out of an Ultegra one and it works but it would be nice if it no longer mattered. As for price, you can maybe get the same parts in 105 or Rival for less, IDK, but that means you are locked in. I'd have to replace everything on my bike for that to work and this will be much cheaper. And besides, I don't have disc brakes.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Yes it should default to SHIMANO spacing. The cassette spacing is usually the same what the difference was back in the day was cable pull for shifters
@bklyncyclist6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Campy 10sp spacing is .2mm more than Shimano, that adds up to 1.8mm over the width of the cassette with 9 spacers. It is enough to throw it off no matter where you start. I tried using a Shimano 10sp cassette with my Chorus and some gears just wouldn't work. I assume the micro adjustment screen would solve it even if a bit wonky to use.
@cyrilmartinez523Ай бұрын
Yo GC question bro?? My right shifter if it wheeltop is not communicating with the rear derailer?? Any advice or tip pls
@GCPerformance18Ай бұрын
have you tried disconneting and reconnecting, reach out tot hem for replacement
@PedroSilva-dm4bo6 ай бұрын
I think its too expensive. Why would I get this when I can get shimano 105 Di2 12 speed for the same price in aliexpress?
@ADVRaiderKTM6 ай бұрын
Curious, are there such things as Di2 knockoffs?
@morneauh6 ай бұрын
@@ADVRaiderKTM No
@zhuyufan11866 ай бұрын
@@ADVRaiderKTM Well, someone on xianyu is selling what he claims to be counterfeit 105 di2 and he sold out. I hope it is a scam but still worring.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
we cant egt those over here, and in store 105 di2 is like 1700-2000 here os the group does not perform well
@changliu39156 ай бұрын
Future proof? can go 13speed.
@craigpostreplyutube6 ай бұрын
nice review. Does it have front derailleur AUTO TRIM? 2nd Q - do the levers have a reach adjustment for smaller hands? thanks
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes it does have auto trim that is the reason for it not being sold in the united states, and yes levers have reach adjustment
@mike_f6 ай бұрын
Would the shift quality not be primarily influenced by the chainrings, shain and cassette? So a legacy DA, Ultegra or 105 10sp mechanical base should still shift fine. A gross oversimplification would be a rear der is just a chain jockey wheel that guides a chain and a front der just shoves the chain back and forth. So really its mostly all in the control system designed around it all. Synchro shift, auto trim, firmware support, etc. I just have a feeling e-tube's going to be supported for many years. What you showed? Who knows. Non replaceable battery and sketchy app makes it a no-go for its price point
@Alex_L_Garcia6 ай бұрын
Will i be able to use this 1by, my bike is 12 speed mechanical and I dont any attachment points for the front derailleur?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes you can, you can buy a braze on adapter, that fits your frame and then you can mount the front derailer to it, you just have to know the clamp size
@Sam321go6 ай бұрын
i don't have a problem with chainees shifting i'm just scared about the brakes
@zero85ZEN6 ай бұрын
Brakes are fine. But you can use Shimano calipers (or any mineral oil calipers) with the group.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Brakes work great. It’s a mineral oil and if you are that concerned. They get SHIMANO or Magura
@yurekkowski3396 ай бұрын
Guys next few weeks I wil got wheeltop eds tx with 14 speed cassette 10-36
@kennycube51263 ай бұрын
Did ya get it?
@yurekkowski3393 ай бұрын
@@kennycube5126 Yes I get that , use 2x14 speed wheeltop EDS TX.
@yurekkowski3393 ай бұрын
@@kennycube5126 yes I get that and use now 2x14 speed wheeltop EDS TX
@leslie79226 ай бұрын
As much as I'd love to have that bike, I ride rural routes and my tcr is covered in cow and horse 💩 🤣 you guys must have super clean roads cause that white looks mint
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Oh it’s all flat smooth newly paved roads over here. We are very lucky.
@Ingrimmsch916 ай бұрын
The wheel top in comparison to the Ltwo one wich would u prefer??
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
I had a really unfair experience with Ltwoo at first. Apparently it is much better. So far wheeltop has not let me down so im going wheeltop right now
@ciprian76 ай бұрын
Please stop saying full groupset when is missing the crank, rotors, cassette, chain
@claudiolima2246 ай бұрын
Agree let's not compare apples with oranges
@galenkehler6 ай бұрын
I dont know if I agree, you can't really include chain and cassette because it's adjustable for speeds. And rotors are interchangeable but more of a frame fit (my road fork takes 180 rotors for example) Cranks are a personal fit, so shouldn't be included as everyone swaps out for different length.
@ciprian76 ай бұрын
@@galenkehlerNext time when i will buy a complete groupset with out rotors, cassette, chain, cranks, chain rings will be the 1st time .
@LifeCycle19786 ай бұрын
Cmon man. When you watch the video he clearly explains what’s included/not included. He isn’t trying to scam you
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Yea I’m sorry it’s an upgrade kit. Also when you go to buy it. It’s an upgrade kit. But sorry for the incorrect wordage
@joehiatt19926 ай бұрын
Got 2 Ltwoos & work great,rest of my bikes are rim, can the batteries be replaced on the Wheeltop ,in other words are there removeable screws or are thet riveted on ??
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
not that I know of, I think they are not meant to be replaced and once done you need to buy new
@krisbowditch8276 ай бұрын
Ltwoo whats the price point?
@Jon-Jon536 ай бұрын
Wasn't there an option for race shift but it meant battery life would drop much faster? I've got the mtb version of this which doesn't seem to offer race shift. Might have been deleted in a SW/FW update?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes there is a race version but it drains battery mmuch more
@adrianlamb978619 күн бұрын
Hello want to ask does the rear derailleur fit a OSPW?
@akiluceombre85696 ай бұрын
I am wondering about buying either a used 8050 or a wheeltop. How far do you feel I can ride on a single charge?
@bruceperry14085 ай бұрын
I want to get rid of problems internal cables creat.
@Bradbajc6 ай бұрын
What disc brake pads does it use?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
it uses there own, but I am sure you can find some tektros to work for it
@eddiesmith98366 ай бұрын
A little off topic but do you use valve extenders with “deep dish” rims? Seems I cannot find 80mm intertube valves at 700x25-32.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
we sell them specialized has 80mm tubes and also ridenow has tpu tubes in 85mm, i run stock tubes on there ridenow tpu tubes 85mm
@pierrex32266 ай бұрын
Yeah AliExpress has tpu tubes with 85mm valves
@Dee-Ell6 ай бұрын
This type of products is bringing back some openness (cross-compatibility and reuse) to the bike industry. But some consumers prefer being locked in.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yea it makes the field more open for playing and puts pressure on the big guys
@hawariekautsar22876 ай бұрын
Comparing this groupset with Shimano & SRAM isn't fair (in terms of price), I think.. but, how about this eds tx vs Ltwoo erx? Which one better?
@endtimeslips46606 ай бұрын
i love eds tx. already test it in down pour rain it flawless. but i hope they will fix the brake caliper in term of cosmetic. hope they can make it slimer and remove the golf texture. hate it. make dirt trap on it.
@youtubesafename1236 ай бұрын
can't you just use a shimano caliper? Will that work? They're pretty cheap...
@endtimeslips46606 ай бұрын
@@youtubesafename123 not yet try it. will it work use shimano without custom anything?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
it works with shimano no problem, any of them just use shimano barb and olive
@densyoh5 ай бұрын
you can proclaim a product is amazing or great if you put a disclaimer on its other parts in this case the the FD and its shifting under load or during climbs😅
@BDIZZLE5105 ай бұрын
Can I put a 12 speed Shimano 105 or Ultegra on my rim break road bike with this groupset?
@GCPerformance185 ай бұрын
yes
@bruceperry14086 ай бұрын
Does Strava separate out the mileage of the various bikes you use and enter?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
maybe but i do not enter it that way
@tomconway68086 ай бұрын
Yes, but you have to add all of your bikes into the app and remember to pick the right one when you start your ride.
@yuckz0ne6 ай бұрын
@@tomconway6808No you can edit it afterwards. You can also set the standard bike for different ride types like Road, Gravel, Mountain and so on
@guedavid6 ай бұрын
Hi, what saddle were you using on the bike?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
bjorn cork saddle
@qibble4556 ай бұрын
Does it have an on the fly trim function?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
no it does not
@SirBrass4 ай бұрын
The fact that the FD is 2x only cripples this from being truly versatile.
@kennycube51263 ай бұрын
Did you want to use a 3x?
@cjfetters5 ай бұрын
is it better than cable shifting?
@MeepBouw6 ай бұрын
What about the MTB-system?
@mg62636 ай бұрын
The value proposition is not there. Once you buy a crankset and cassette you are in 105 Di2 price ranges. 105 will be better and hold more value.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
The value is there as an upgrade kit. Let’s say you have a 10 speed mechanic disc or rim brake. You get this kit and boom you have a electronic group bike now
@patkohhk6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 and can still use the same derailiers/shifter when you upgrade to 11-12 sp in future
@pierrex32266 ай бұрын
People on chinertown forum have been sourcing this at a much lower price. Because I agree that at full retail price, 105 di2 is a safer bet
@juanfilm3 ай бұрын
my front wheeltop stop working....... no battery alert.... any Ideas to fix this please??
@GCPerformance183 ай бұрын
try plugging it into charger for a reszet
@CL-yx7ly6 ай бұрын
I wonder if the brifters will work with shimano calipers...anyone tried it?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yes they will, other customers have sent me pics and also they work with magura as well
@1971lemond6 ай бұрын
What does debugging in the app do?
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Nothing for me but I havnt had an issue. I wouldn’t know when to press that
@1971lemond6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18I checked with Wheeltop they said ya you pair the system then ya go to settings, then debug, then do the steps as you mentioned.
@Bamboozler336 ай бұрын
If you have any issues, how do you get it serviced? I don’t see any local shop taking it unless it says shimano or sram on it.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
you would have to contact the manufacturer for issues, but alot of times if you have issues with sram or shimano that you can not fix because of hardware you have to do the same thing anyways
@Bamboozler336 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for the reply
@thomaseser83594 ай бұрын
I've bought a new Rival groupset incl. Cranks Cassette and CHain. For 900 euros. Can't see any price advantage.
@savagepro90606 ай бұрын
3:08 No!No!No! GC. The PROS are NEVER gonna use this group-upset!
@whynotride3276 ай бұрын
Only because it isn't provided to them. If the manufacturer provides it to a team, 100% they would use it.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
pros and cons list
@ADVRaiderKTM6 ай бұрын
**************Long awaited review************* :)
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
hell yeaaaa
@BlackWaterCyclist6 ай бұрын
I've been using the older MTB version that they said not to do a review on due to patent infringement with SRAM. It is a great system and works wonderful. Not as fast as Sram or Shimano but gets the job done. I really dislike the app as well and that is the major downside. Last year the app was worse than it is now if you can believe that! So at least they have improved it which means there could be improvements in the future.
@PanaehaliTut6 ай бұрын
But does it have a auto trim function?
@Jriz016 ай бұрын
yes it does
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Yes it does
@logojones966 ай бұрын
looks like it shifts better than my 11 speed red etap lol
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
it shifts really good I have no complaints while riding it
@marktricklebank74006 ай бұрын
thar front mech looks 1000000 times better than my sram red axs
@iskandarwee47756 ай бұрын
Too pricey. £670 for 105 Di2, which includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, crankset, cassette, chain, and battery. EDS TX £487 only includes shifters, FD, RD, brake calipers, and integrated batteries (no crankset, chain, or cassette). Mad....
@ADVRaiderKTM6 ай бұрын
Where are you seeing these prices for a 105 Di2?
@HooriyaBibi-h2y6 ай бұрын
Price
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Check description
@millermiller756 ай бұрын
What is price difference between this and same components for Shimano or SRAM (i.e. without crank arm, rear cassette)? Seems like this is for people who have mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be emphasized.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Well a sram upgrade kit for sram red is 2500 dollars. And SHIMANO doesn’t offer that
@yegorzakharov85146 ай бұрын
This groupset shines when bought as part of a bike. 2 werks ago, i received a full carbon (including 50mm rims and integrated handlebar) bike with the wheeltop groupset. Fully internally routed with wheeltop hydraulic diskbrakes. All in all, with shipping (to Europe), i paid 1100 USD. You read that right. 1100 USD. Ive now ridden around 750km on it to test, and aside from my setup errors (which were all fixed), its been flawless!
@jerano44696 ай бұрын
So basicly the same as the ultegra.. pretty bad buy
@Fleckinger6 ай бұрын
@@jerano4469 It's whole bike 1100USD, with EDS groupset.
@ethanw94346 ай бұрын
@@jerano4469That's the full bike for 1100usd bro
@BSenn116 ай бұрын
I’m not sure how $1100 is a bad buy for a bike with fully wireless and 50mm carbon wheels, considering bikes online. Is offering a Polygon S7X with 105 Di2 for $2200. Seems like saving 50% is a good deal to me (on face value).
@pierrex32266 ай бұрын
That's awesome! Are you based in China? What did you buy? A frame costs around 500 USD, wheels the same, so at this price, you're probably not getting great quality, but you're getting great value for sure!
@mikelogan26846 ай бұрын
the APP f!!!!!!!!!!!nightmare if you are not a Geek{like me} For what it is i am very happy gear changes are fast enough for me and I suspect the majority of riders out there in cycling paradise
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
yea same withr me, once I got it setup and took some patience you are al set
@dast886 ай бұрын
tbh Shimano app is terrible as well 😂
@basvanleeuwen45025 ай бұрын
Why buy this when you have a full 105 DI2 groupset for 1000€ which includes crankset, cassette, chain, and bottom bracket.
@GCPerformance185 ай бұрын
because we do not have that luxury our 105 fulpll group is still 2000
@basvanleeuwen45025 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 in Europe 105 DI2 currently costs 899,- and Ultegra DI2 1369,- and one of the biggest online stores.
@yuckz0ne6 ай бұрын
Can‘t believe you do not put different bikes in your Strava Garage so you are able to filter the rides for videos like this. You do not need multiple Strava Accounts, one is enough
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Maybe I have too, I really just hop on the bike and go
@CycleXplorer6 ай бұрын
One to watch but it feels like anyone buying it now will be basically expensive beta testers
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
its a cheap entry point into electronic shifting where any other company is going to be more expensive, so I mean expect it to be electronic yes but not perfect
@theantichrome98426 ай бұрын
EDS Texas? Isn't that Ross Perot's old company? I think they got sold to HP.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
lmao not a calculator
@petersouthernboy63276 ай бұрын
On Aliexpress, this partial incomplete “ groupset” is $560 and on Merlincycles, the Shimano 105 Di2 actual real full groupset is $996. So, in terms of cache, support, warranty, and resale value there is NO logical reason to buy this. None.
@millermiller756 ай бұрын
Good point. Seems like this is for people w mechanical looking to go electronic. I think that needs to be explained in these review videos. Also, what is the apples-to-apples price difference between this and shimano or SRAM’s entry-level electric systems?
@petersouthernboy63276 ай бұрын
@@millermiller75 as best as I could determine, the price differential wasn’t compelling enough to justify the risk (for me). I’m having a wheelset built right now with Chris King hubs, Sapim CX Ray spokes, and Light Bicycle (Chinese) rims. The Light Rims came highly recommended by my wheel builder and they’ve been building carbon rims for several years and have a good online reputation. I don’t mind inexpensive Chinese goods if I feel I can be happy with it and the risk is acceptable
@ADVRaiderKTM6 ай бұрын
Yeah, Shimano groupset prices plummeted, the 105 Di2 can be had from Europe for less than $900. The partial EDS groupset just cant compete with that.
@petersouthernboy63276 ай бұрын
@@ADVRaiderKTM and you get the complete groupset and the Shimano brand. If a derailleur motor fails during the season, I can get to Shimano directly and a LBS and get a new one. Getting warranty and parts from China to the US is really difficult and can take quite a bit time if you can manage to get the warranty honored
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
thats wild from merlin, we do not see those prices over here in america
@bengt_axle6 ай бұрын
You can say all you want, Bro. But the Oilers will take it to game 7.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Panthers
@bengt_axle6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 See you in Florida, Game 7. Anything can happen.
@roberthealey68206 ай бұрын
Shifters and derailleurs are not a groupset.
@DISCOhooch6 ай бұрын
2:49 Without 15 speed groupsets??????? Now u make me mad
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Hahahhaha
@BrianFaure6 ай бұрын
"I like big nobs and I cannot lie" lol
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Hahhaha
@johnnyboy47116 ай бұрын
Sram axs with blips for me for tt
@mitchellfreund75036 ай бұрын
Do you pay to have your videos glow brighter than all the others? Does anybody else see that or am I trippin
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
Lmao no I just use an iPhone to film
@martinhotan89465 ай бұрын
Shimano is really not connecting faster ...
@DanTuber6 ай бұрын
shifting sounds loud and clunky
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
It is clunkier than current 12 speed stuff. But remember SHIMANO when it first came out.
@DanTuber6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Wasn't into cycling then so no idea.
@1a2b3c4.28 күн бұрын
You've been riding it for 3 years already ! So, the batteries haven't gone kaput yet !
@GCPerformance1828 күн бұрын
no I have not been, but no the batteries have not gone kaput
@MK-Turtles4 ай бұрын
I think it is still expensive. It should be less expensive and have replaceable batteries.
@mradelphi026 ай бұрын
Costs too much compared to Di2 105
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
not in retail stores or online in united states
@luismanrique53736 ай бұрын
Mine pairs fast enough! its not a computer bro lol