GE 2024 Devastation Delusion and Devolution

[@ellenross7863]

Stumbled across this discussion by accident, and thank goodness I did. Now joined Liberation and Salvo. Everything finally makes sense. Quite cheered me up after yesterday’s result. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@chrisrobinson860]

👏👏👍

[@donaldwright6613]

Excellent show team. ALL the team making excellent point's. Keep up the great work.

[@KizzieWiz]

Phil is absolutely correct! Well said! 👏👏👏

[@kencoutts2051]

Keep putting it out there folks , whatever, no let up. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🐼🐼

[@chris-terrell-liveactive]

Lloyd's point at about 29:00 is a good one, a short quick review and then look forward with clear minds, uncluttered by replaying what's happened or wallowing in resentment, learning from but not stuck in the past. Thanks for the analysis and well done Eva and your team.

[@STUARTMCCOLL-t1h]

I have to say thanks for this video, you fired me back up again. Having recently joined Salvo I attended the agm last week and cane away boyant but watching the election totally deflated me and living on my own had no one to offload to or to help pull me up...thanks for helping me see the big picture again and knowing we still have something to fight for 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@jacqueline4905]

Panel fantastic always, each in their own way. Thank you all, and especially Roddy, the key staine 😊 Mons Meg in both the senses 🎉

[@KizzieWiz]

Lloyd, Swinney has always been a rotten SNP politician. I’m 78 soon and watched him most of my life. I always thought he was a British plant. He’s always been a drip!

[@ernestmostly8156]

He's ex Boys Brigade so he could well be a Brit!

[@jacqueline4905]

@KizzieWiz nice to see you back KizzieWiz 😁

[@itsmedave7815]

Evening folks from Aberdeen. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on yesterday 😊👍

[@KizzieWiz]

Hey Eva, Joanna Cherry did nothing for Independence either. She concentrated on her own projects. People saw it and remember. If she has thoughts of leading the SNP, she should forget it!!

[@valeriebrown6079]

Reform UK had a huge amount of publicity because it is a UK wide party. Alba had very little. Many people have no idea what Reform stands for but huge numbers still have Sturgeon’s description of Salmond as their image of Alba.

[@jamesmason8944]

Have you not been listening to Nigel's speeches.?

[@DerekYoung1]

I think Salmond's description of Alba is enough to put most people off. Its a party born out of negativity and grievance exactly what we don't need

[@barrheadboy1684]

We? Begone

[@martindornan1667]

Alba has been attacking the SNP for the last few years. It's not benefitting Alba as they only got 0.5% of the vote. It's benefitted Britnat Labour. Alex Salmond when he was leader of the SNP said don't split the independence vote as this would help Britnat Labour, Liberal and Tories get elected. Now Salmond wants to split the independence vote and help the Britnats get elected. Reform split the right-wing vote this benefitted Labour and the Liberal parties.

[@KizzieWiz]

@@DerekYoung1Absolute rubbish. The hand of friendship was immediately put out to the SNP to form a super majority. Alba is full of ex SNP workers! Get your facts right! 🙄

[@derekcowan234]

Say it as it is Phil 👍

[@dermac126]

I’m 66 and wanted to see independence before I leave this mortal coil but it may not happen sadly. I realised and switched off to political debates on tv as it was just a Punch and Judy show with the powers that be have their hands up the arses of these puppets then after the show walk away arm in arm laughing all the way to the bank. I enjoy this show and follow regularly with a good debate. I applause Eva et al for the work you do and i agree a peoples movement for independence should begin now for the 2026 Scottish election👍 btw can you get rid of barking dogs, it’s annoying trying to listen.

[@clachan24]

As long as the media barons control politics independence will never happen

[@chrisrobinson860]

We need a brand new grassroots party in Scotland. Without this we are doomed here. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺

[@ThomasBoyd-gx9wr]

Awesome thanks. Brilliant content on UK general election.

[@sidthesparkie]

The status of Scotland as a country and not a region of the UK is a legal matter, not a political one. I believe we can win the legal argument and then have a referendum to decide what to do next. Either a revised Treaty, where Scotland is no longer a junior partner, or Independence if enough people want it.

[@doncar9]

Completely mistaken , it is completely political

[@DerekYoung1]

Highly dangerous path that would prob end up in you loosing more rights. They've already chosen to block any path to a referendum they dont give a sh!t about bending the rules to suit them.

[@barrheadboy1684]

​@@doncar9💯

[@chrisrobinson860]

A fantastic podcast guys, wall done. 👍👏

[@roderickmacdonald7701]

Congratulations Eva. I am galvanized by this result, and have joined Salvo, having already been part of Liberation Scotland. I am part of the Scottish diaspora, and have watched with dismay from afar at the mismanagement and exploitation of our country, and its people. I'm a nurse , and lived and worked in Glasgow in the late 90s and early 2000s, which we are supposed to look back on as 'good times'. People were struggling back then. Dennistoun, Penilee and other places were filled with life, but ignored and run down. I lived and worked there. I can't imagine what it's like now. Scotland must be free, for all its people to flourish. More power to all of you for keeping the dream alive, and more, having a plan to make it happen. Thank you from another Roddy.

[@neiljohnston2156]

The SNP have gone soft on independence and seemed to have moved away from it with focusing on policies that nobody wanted. They mention independence regularly with no substance to their rhetoric. Asking for a section order which will be denied and they know it. I will always fight for an independent Scotland but it won’t happen with them. I believed in them although becoming more suspicious of their motives since 2014. I feel betrayed. I cancelled my membership 2 years ago due to my growing disillusionment with the SNP. The Ammunition is there and they choose not to use it. The open goals they have missed have been quite an eye opener. Thanks for this.

[@ernestmostly8156]

@neiljohnston2156 missing them on purpose Neil? All of a sudden Labour gas a mandate in Scotland? What about our mandate? Democracy denied and instead of focusing on that, Sturgeon and Co start banging on about culture war nonsense and fueling the right wing press with ammunition! Go figure! I can't!

[@lauracameron3738]

How nice to know I did something right -Stirling & Strathallan - NOT MY PARLIAMENT.

[@JohnHarvey-ip5jh]

the colony continues ..the future labour work programs ...war...lending...more of the same...2014 was a golden opportunity wasted

[@saorsa5]

@@JohnHarvey-ip5jh and yet you still moan 2014 is history the whole point here is for everyone in the yes movement to come together your comment is as useful as douglas ross. You sound as negative as a unionist

[@saorsa5]

@@JohnHarvey-ip5jh alba is wasted vote all indy parties and yes groups need to come together you are no help shut up

[@kencoutts2051]

Well said Lloyd. Onwards In fact well said to all. Positivity. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🐼🐼

[@alastair6356]

It's time the membership told the cabal at the top to go and restored internal party democracy. If they wont go the remaining membership should walk.

[@petercampbell1973]

I honestly despair of a lot of the membership. Right now they should be demanding resignations and MAJOR change but instead all I am seeing is their continued devotion to the current failed model.

[@alasdairfinlayson]

Most Scots are sick to death of the independence obsession and just want the SNP to disappear

[@StravaiginHippy]

​@TeddyFunk73 that's because only the blind, the stupid and the thick are left and do not have the brain capacity to see what's going on.

[@StravaiginHippy]

We have to FILL Holyrood with REAL independence seeking MSPs in 2026. People with the grit, determination and guts to fight for and win our independence by whatever means. Not by holding out our hands to WM begging for a referendum which they won't agree to - they can't afford to lose Scotland's revenues -- but by going via international courts and whatever else is needed to TAKE BACK our independence. Scotland has support for this all over the world. Let's get those big girl/boy pants on and do this! SCOTLAND CAN AND WILL !!!

[@kevinrobb86]

When it comes to the snp that should read Through a Scottish Prison

[@DerekYoung1]

If you had to jail everyone who wasted money the police would have to put themselves in jail.

[@maureenjohnston7414]

Brilliant …thank you

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

A broad movent is needed but as soon as people have power, being waged MPS etc they do not want to work together with others. Too many current Scots politicians have many issues and problems with working together. It needs a proper movement to happen.

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

I agree, folk did not like the recent Bills, GRR, etc were splitting peoples views up, it needs to stop.

[@DerekYoung1]

5% to do with the bills. 95% to do with the Brit Nat funded media circus

[@robertmcallan131]

Sage words from Lloyd, he delivers a damning analysis of the failures of Sturgeon and her contempt for the people of Scotland. Phil presents the dirty nature of politics from the inside in which Sturgeon is the establishments PAWN and we ignore that fact at our peril! Onwards and Upwards with Salvo/Liberation!!

[@mrennie5158]

The SNP told us that this election outcome could be a viewed as a mandate for independence, and Scotland gutted them. Methinks this means that Scotland doesn’t really want independence. Yes Labour just want to turn us into a giant battery for England’s use but Scotland mostly wants that it seems, rather than independence. The blame lies with Brexit. Not people buying caravans, not people embezzling a standard 6 bedroom house valuation’s worth of money, not people trying to do trans people a favour or clamp down on hate speech because there’s nothing else really to do while in office now that the UK union appears to have no legal escape route for Scotland and is just a constitutional oubliette in the end. This is not because of “woke” whatever that is and it’s not because of one wee wumman who never really got winging eyeliner for best effect. This is because of Brexit. We all saw what happened there and reasoned that independence will just make everything worse for Scotland.

[@bobhunter1339]

Independance to me does not mean joining an unelected bunch of technocrats in Europe. No fecking way !

[@doncar9]

Me neither, the SNP should concentrate on independence. Scotland itself can take it from there.

[@DerekYoung1]

should vote deform then

[@bobhunter1339]

@@DerekYoung1 you should move to China and donate your organs free of charge

[@StravaiginHippy]

Who the blazes is 'deform' - isn't that what the NuSNP should do?

[@blackislepeastoo]

@@DerekYoung1 pretty stupid comment which adds no value.

[@derekdurkin4523]

Excellent analysis. The demise of the SNP should see the rise of the Indy movement.

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

Yes voters also voted for Labour, the lack of trust now of the SNP, mixed with desperation to get the Tories out meant folk lent their vote.

[@alasdairfinlayson]

Scotland was a far better, happier place long before the SNP started stirring the siht!

[@jockgibson5675]

Lol... are you worse off? Do you live in Scotland?

[@patbannan442]

Well done guys

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

We will now have Ian Murray extreme unionist in the Scottish office, but is anyone going to protest about it? No i did not think so.

[@dermac126]

But realistically will anyone with a brain actually listen to that arse🤣💩

[@hindlewalker9330]

How typical some comments trying to pin this on the English , sorry guys this is all your own doing.

[@johnfisher7587]

Some of the people in Scotland say that they want independence but don’t say what they want except that they don’t like the English and they haven’t said how we are going to support Scotland

[@barrheadboy1684]

A Unionist we can guarantee only the Scots born English Nationalist types use the they only vote indy because they hate the English lie begone

[@AzulinhoAzulinho]

Bot

[@edwardgellan1661]

They were too busy lining there pockets

[@StevieBluenoseScott]

Nice rant Phil, but yer so right

[@paulwilson2651]

Sturgeon had the brass beck to be on ITV's election coverage. She has destroyed any chance of Indie now.

[@MICKUR1413]

Definitely not.

[@DerekYoung1]

did she mess it up with her policies or where the electorate to stupid to realize when they're being brainwashed

[@barrheadboy1684]

No she has merely delayed it

[@clachan24]

My great fear now is that Scottish water will be privatised (sold off)

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

I spoke to Iain at the Salvo AGM.

[@alastair6356]

What we need is a party of liberation to end the Union not take up Westminster seats but to desolve it on gaining a majority What happened to Scotland United.

[@DavoidJohnson]

Yes but un-salaried . It's the only way to keep the careerists out of it.

[@clachan24]

What we need is politicians with integrity, not ego, for ego corrupts.

[@jockgibson5675]

There seem to be a lot of yoon watching this production.

[@KizzieWiz]

Well said Lloyd! There is only ONE person to blame and it is Sturgeon! You have hit the nail on the head!

[@doreenhollywood7459]

Surely this was a vote against the tories??? We will have a chance in 2026. All the INDEPENDENCE parties need to work together to make sure we are in a position to go forward. Join SALVO and Liberation Scotland and we will get there. Strange to see Peter Murrell's charges have been dropped and was announced after the voting was over.

[@ernestmostly8156]

Sturgeon served the English establishment, NOT the Scottish people.

[@fionabuzza2260]

She also served WEF and their orders!

[@jamesmason8944]

Maybe we are needing to take a leaf out of Mr. Putin's book. They know what the Western leaders are like, and are making friendships elsewhere.

[@DerekYoung1]

Yip lets sell bagpipes to North Korea

[@jamesmason8944]

@@DerekYoung1 Yip, and what about whisky, black pudding and Irn Bru. There are more countries in the world than North Korea.

[@DerekYoung1]

Oh which ones havent we been trying to sell to?

[@Mac-y9b]

You just cannot see that independence is finished

[@Tam10101999]

You can't see independence will come because you're a unionist troll..I've seen you on many independence posts / videos..go live in your beloved Englandshire...Saor Alba

[@KizzieWiz]

See how Estonia worked out! Kaja Kallas…extreme Russophobe ……I don’t want to be like Estonia!!

[@KizzyKismet1]

Independence Day, YES! Union & imperial masters goodbye! :)

[@LickeyEndBlues]

Iain…political parties can’t promote other parties, hence SNP 1&2. The “Indy1” & “other Indy2” has to be pushed from the grass roots. I had nosebleeds trying to get that message across.

[@andrewmacdonald448]

Whare can I purchase T-shirts or polo shirts

[@gavingoff4056]

The SNP are still talking about how it will run Scotland. They have missed the point. Their only job was to get independence, they failed to do what their voters wanted.

[@johnwilliams7653]

We should not be sending mp’s to Westminster any time. Enough talk, we must baulk. Protest every flying of the union flag, protest every imposition of the letters u & k, deal as little as possible with English imperialists wherever & whenever we encounter them. Treat English people decently but treat English politicians, administrators & quislings with unwelcome, the coldest of glacial stares, silence & distain. In short: shun them.

[@jamesconnolly3827]

I hear allot on hear most of which i agree with, but hear is some advice to you STAND FOR ELECTION.

[@jockgibson5675]

So continue the same old circus?.... havent you realised that a different system is required? Have you read the Scottish constitution, it will give you clues about a direct democracy missing from Scotland since 1707

[@captainfantastic9238]

This is the best comedy show I've seen for a while. The wailing and gnashing of teeth by deluded nationalists is music to my ears.

[@barrheadboy1684]

I think it's great that brain dead English Nationalists watch and comment it increases our profile and expands the podcast. Of course problem is unionists are too glaikit to work that out.

[@ryandoherty2978]

I think watching the labour party trying to deliver meaningful change when the treasury has no cash will be a better comedy show. Enjoy your commie revolution while it lasts lol😅

[@SovereignWarrior74]

Here here

[@johnbuchan4664]

Blah, blah, blah

[@robcarrol]

Stunning night for the Union. And as for Alba, they lost their deposit in every constituency 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnwilliams7653]

Oh good. Fine minorities for attempting to participate in democracy. Yes, it is an ongoing shame that Scots are willing to be subjugated in a state run by fascists & now Zionist sympathisers. It is our fault we accept being victims. Block the union.

[@jamesmason8944]

881 votes

[@saorsa5]

Stop all the infighting independence will never happen while the independence movement eats itself . Stop blaming each other and start fighting for independence

[@helenfay8179]

The only thing SNP and Nicola did was divide this great country. They are Scotland's shame, and I will never forgive them.

[@helenfay8179]

@mmcc5846 The SNP are just like the Darien colony, (1690)which was a disaster. Poor planning and provisioning ; divided leadership. The Darian failure left the entire Scottish lowlands in financial ruin. Just what the SNP (2024) has done now only this time it is the whole of Scotland . SNP are the dividers, not the unionist.

[@jockgibson5675]

​@@helenfay8179.. look deeper into the reason why darien failed.

[@helenfay8179]

@jockgibson5675 Like I said, poor planning, provisioning, and divided leadership. Failure to anticipate a military response by the Spanish empire. May be you should tell the SNP to look deeper into our history. Somethings never change. The SNP is built on hatred of another country, not wanting to make our country (Scotland) a better place to live. I know my history, and I have educated myself so that I am well informed and can back up what I say.

[@eng9040]

The majority of Scotland voted No to this SNP threat, understand that when you are looking inwards to find the lessons.

[@greenlichtie]

unfortunately the independence movement only tend to take heed of the democratic process when the result suits them

[@DerekYoung1]

@@greenlichtie and the Unionist movement just remove your democratic rights when it doesn't suit them. The fact they don't seem too bothered just shows how much of a bunch of boiled frogs they've become

[@greenlichtie]

@@mmcc5846 evidence?!?🤷‍♂️

[@greenlichtie]

@@DerekYoung1 evidence?!?🤷‍♂️

[@martindornan1667]

The Scottish parliaments voted in under a proportional voting system has a majority of MSPs who support Indyref2.

[@bobhunter1339]

Scottish nasty party

[@DerekYoung1]

at least they're Scottish

[@bobhunter1339]

@@DerekYoung1 no their not, their globalists

[@bobhunter1339]

@@DerekYoung1 no, they are globalists

[@bobhunter1339]

@@DerekYoung1 second time I've posted the same comment but keep getting censored

[@bobhunter1339]

@@DerekYoung1 no they are globalists

[@gladiatorprogramme]

Can you old codgers leed by example and donate your state pension to the independent cause. After all no one will have a state pension in an independent Scotland and Scotland will not have a majority in the European Parliament.

[@mrennie5158]

This likely reality is the very reason that Scotland has turned back to Unionism. It’s Brexit that has sunk independence, not Nicola Sturgeon or any of the other scapegoats they rail against.

[@jockgibson5675]

Thats hilarious. Do you donate your pension to the british cause ?

[@jay-qf2cp]

the independance cult no more

[@doncar9]

Independence is not a cult for any nation. It is natural.

[@greenlichtie]

@@doncar9 coalescence, or coming together, is generally natural in evolution. Separation is usually caused by forcing things apart. I would tend to disagree that your idea of independence or separation is natural

[@barrheadboy1684]

Just where you are wrong Britboy

[@greenlichtie]

@@barrheadboy1684 why?!? And britboy 🤷‍♂️ c’mon I’m pretty sure you’re no 5 years old. Show a bit of maturity at least……unfortunately not everyone will always agree with your views

[@martindornan1667]

​​@@greenlichtie 62 countries have gained their independence from Westminster such as New Zealand, Canada, Australia and the Republic of Ireland etc. They even celebrated their independence day. As do the Americans. Westminster has 543 English Westminster MPs and 57 Scottish MPs. Westminster is effectively the English parliament. Westminster has had Tory government's for 72 years of the last 100 years. The Scottish people haven't voted for the Tories by a majority since 1955. In an independent Scotland the Scottish people would be governed by the government that they vote for and not governed by the government that a neighbouring country voted for. As a Britnat you are a bit of a joker the British nationalists Labour, Tory parties don't want to join the EU. The Tories and the London based media even call leaving the EU British independence day. Sixty two percent of the Scottish people voted to stay in the EU. All the political parties in the Scottish parliament wanted to stay in the EU. The vast majority of Scottish MPs and MSPs wanted to stay in the EU. Westminster with 533 English MPs ignored the Scottish people, MSPs, MPs and the Scotish parliament and forced Scotland out of the EU. Damaging the Scottish economy. The SNP wants to join the EU and have access to the EU single market. Northern Ireland also voted to stay in the EU and was allowed to stay in and has access to the EU single market.

[@Rosiedelaroux]

Finally the family can do a long awaited intervention. There are many mental health facilities that can deal with her insanity- with the correct treatment returning to reality within a year. I wish her best in her journey back to sanity

[@slewvian]

The Scottish nazi party 😆 Sturgeon single handedly ended any chance of independence jeez a leader of a party for independence and who ends it .it's flucking leader mind blowing😆

[@robcarrol]

You're not getting the message folks, every independence party got a kicking. You lost the de facto referendum, the Scottish people have spoken and categorically rejected independence.

[@JohnHarvey-ip5jh]

england rejected the ultra unionist conservative..what say ye now gob shite

[@jockgibson5675]

... away, and kiss the sausage finger.

[@robcarrol]

@@jockgibson5675 aw bless, are you still hurting from your royal arse skelping on Thursday night. Lost the real referendum, now lost the de facto referendum 😂 It's well and truly over for you.