Why Certain DROID Tactics were so RARE to see on a Battlefield

[@geetslys]

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[@ayaskantmahapatra2487]

Hi sir. I am a big fan. Can you make a video explaining the absence of systems like orbital protection guns (eg : Halo 2 orbital mac canons)? Ships easily enter and leave the planets in Star Wars universe. So I was wondering about it.

[@Spartan3D213]

@@ayaskantmahapatra2487 I think shields help with that, same with how a ship that doesn't look aerodynamic like yt1300 and have it travel in fast speeds.

[@Shist444]

you're making the empire sound bad with the beginning of the ad

[@mirceazaharia2094]

1:09 Almost all of those shows or movies are trash. I just wanted you to know that. But thanks for the video.

[@Shist444]

@@mirceazaharia2094 The 1st season suchs for rebels and clone wars, but past that is where you're wrong, and the original saga and prequels are some of the best kids movies ever.

[@Chloeprettyoccasionally]

I did forget about sniper droidekas, they're really underused

[@the_restitutor_orbis]

Hmmm…droidekas are ambush units. Best used on ships or other close quarters situations where mass firepower, rather than accurate single shots would have made more tactical sense. A droideka sniper on a battlefield would have been spotted a mile away and could only be used in very specific situations.

[@1purehavoc]

I didnt even know that was a thing. Sounds odd

[@1purehavoc]

To me drodika are more of a shock trooper. Basically a humv with a machine gun if you compare it to modern warfare vehicle. I mean i guess I guess you could use it as a gauss platform but its quick and armored. It can get in quick lay down fire like a droidika. Also has protection. Idk the argument could be used for long range weapons i guess.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Me too... didn't know this was actually a thing.

[@CollinMcLean]

​@@1purehavoc I wouldn't class them as a shock troop, they're more like mobile turrets since you can't move them very quickly once they start firing.

[@Ikcatcher]

A rare droid tactic: Surrendering

[@Chloeprettyoccasionally]

Yes

[@geetslys]

I mean, they're expendable.

[@EmeraldLegate_]

Never surrender to republic dogs!

[@crackingly]

The French should take notes.

[@greemander4009]

Mainly used by tactical droids. Worst part is that the clone troopers are usually gonna shoot you anyway.

[@indianajones4321]

Droid: Says anything Grievous: And I took it personally

[@ifeeldeadinsideD2]

I love grievous

[@onemariobro]

Grevious actually despised B1 battle droids because they lacked the warrior spirit that’s why he has the magna guards as wel

[@marcushansen2807]

Lonely Grievous😭

[@Obiwan7100]

I'm afraid I'm boring to make a suggestion, but you could make a video of the longest-lived sentient species in the galaxy.

[@obi-wan-kenobi2393]

Good idea

[@G59forlife.]

@@obi-wan-kenobi2393 I agree

[@Obiwan7100]

@troy Ferrington Obi Wan:Clone Saga

[@pricex3]

Ahhh GENERAL KENOBI

[@austinwnek2879]

@@pricex3 this is getting out of hand now there is 3 of them

[@cjclark2002]

Short answer, Papa Palps limiting aspects of the droid army of course, as planned. If the full might of the CIS was allowed operational freedom they would of steam rolled the GAR.

[@VisonsofFalseTruths]

Bingo. The CIS was, quite simply, superior in terms of numbers and firepower. Other valid logic aside, the entire war was a play by Palpatine to assume total control of the Republic, destroy the Jedi and form the Empire. He needed a Republic left to control, so he would have had his servants stop using strategies that worked too effectively. The war was a show, and the CIS was always a sacrificial lamb.

[@ironhorsehistorian9871]

Also the ot exists

[@battlesheep2552]

Yep, his main plan was to make a war so horrible that the Senate would gladly cede their power to him to ensure it would never happen again. He could have used the Droid army to just steamroll the Republic, which only had an army to defend itself BECAUSE of the secret deals he and Dooku made, but he wanted it to be nice and legal so it would be easier to get the galaxy to cooperate with his regime. Though I suspect he kept Droid steamroll as plan B.

[@superdave8248]

One of the separatist was the Banking Guild (which makes you wonder where the Republic got its money for the war). And with any bank you have a bean counter looking at the return of investments. Realistically, the more effective droids would also be more expensive. And if you look at the return of investment, these more effective droids would have a lesser return because they were used primarily as security for high profile locations. To a bean counter if you can say this model of droid has killed 5000 clones and 4 jedi and this model has killed 2 clones ... you are probably going to suggest that former model is what you are going to want to spend your money on.

[@ironhorsehistorian9871]

@@superdave8248 banking clan not guild

[@obi-wan-kenobi2393]

We need to build on more droid characters, like they did with Clones

[@geetslys]

The one in Solo had some potential!

[@Hiihtopipa]

General Kenobi!

[@blackhawk3975]

@@geetslys what? The Karen droid with a revolutionary complex? The one who reportedly had sex with Lando? Do we really want more like her? Solo was a crap movie anyway.

[@munafiqwill3932]

@@blackhawk3975 Solo was a good movie, just poor execution.

[@blackhawk3975]

@@munafiqwill3932 at least you enjoyed it, that's all I can say.

[@lordMartiya]

"And since Jedi liked to fight from the frontlines, there were much easier ways to take them out, such as ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT". The scary thing is that it's not that much overkill...

[@boooster101]

The republic had about 3 million member planets. And there were about 10000 jedi. So yeah, any means to kill a Jedi is justified.

[@TwiceStruck]

@@boooster101 10,000 Jedis for about 50 Odd Siths across the Galaxy, and you wonder Why Anakin Brought Balance to The Force.

[@boooster101]

@@TwiceStruck wonder how the RULING COUNCIL of the Jedi on the CENTRAL WORLD thought that a prophecy of a chosen one bringing BALANCE when talking about a presumedly EXTINCT enemy is a good thing....

[@Furonanator139]

I'm surprised the CIS never developed more precise ship blasters for this purpose I know they don't care about civilian casualties but it'd be more affective with the risk of blowing the whole battle field and some of your own troops p.

[@lordMartiya]

@@Furonanator139 They already had them, it was the gunners that were B1s. That, and their troops on the ground were usually droids.

[@clonecoric4140]

Separatist generals trying to figure out how the Wall of death strategy which is easily vulnerable to mines, orbital bombardments, flanking, bombing runs, guerilla tactics, surprise attacks and high ground attacks didn't succeed: How could we have missed this.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hehe, I remember using flashbang-armed American Rangers against GLA Angry Mobs in Command & Conquer: Generals. Good times.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

However, the success of that depended on the absence of GLA vehicles and, of course, their dreaded hero sniper Jarmen Kell.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

it being vulnerable to bombing runs is laughable, wall of death is also wall of death to air units, guerilla tactics don't work against it either, neither do surprise attacks or high ground attacks. literally, the only thing shown to be effective is faceing it down head on, and even then the clones take heavy casualties.

[@clonecoric4140]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 mines? The wall of death also didn't seem to bring much death to the Clone pilots at Malastare, or on Onderon only did reinforcement gunships take them out. And a surprise attack did take out a Wall of death march on Onderon to.

[@FalconWindblader]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Please. The wall of death wouldn't be able to jack shit to air units unless said units are stupid enough to fly slow & low. As for surprise attacks, it just a matter how heavily armed the forces deployed are. & Finally, high ground attacks are guaranteed to work wonderfully, unless said high ground forces are stupid enough to do cavalry charges at the droids, instead of raining down fire with big guns.

[@chancelorhiggins-gloor6999]

I would argue sniper's would have been much more effective for the CIS. The amount of clone commanders and officers we see especially those on the battlefield gives the snipers a whole scope of targets to choose from. You can program a tactical or even a commando droid in a short amount of time while a Clone commanders or officer takes years to be trained. Sure it could be countered by Clone officers getting stronger armor to protect themselves but the droids could simply increase the power of the rifle.

[@ryanvasquez2914]

We can thank Palpatine for that

[@FalconWindblader]

The thing is that the clones have gotten so cohesive that they could still put up a good fight without a commander being around. While some clones do fare better at leadership than the others, the stuff that made them so good at doing so are picked up in the field, instead of being learned back in Kamino. With that said, having one commander down pretty much only means having another take his place in a matter of days.

[@Furonanator139]

Yes plus there is a big difference between the two armies, the clones love each other. Not to say the droids were incapable of comradery but the CIS programmed them to be as restricted in sentience as possible while still performing their role so a downed commander would just have the next in line step in like it was nothing. With the clones though most of them look at each other as brothers and seeing them fall especially the best among them will wear down their spirit. Heck that was the design of the war anyway, to wear down the spirits of the Jedi and the galaxy

[@sammyal1352]

3:35 Magnaguards with shield generators might honestly be one of the scariest things in SW...

[@gabrielhenson5751]

they are made to be able to stop lightsabers with their weapon, but they can't really counter ranged attacks, so if you gave them a shield to block blaster fire and they still have whatever the things they hold are called to stop lightsabers they may have been nearly unstoppable.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

@@gabrielhenson5751 at least from in front.

[@djcuevas1057]

Honestly if they just had the mandalorian wrist shields that would be good enough.

[@CollinMcLean]

They learned tactics from Zapp Brannigan's big book of war... Just keep sending wave after wave of your own troops until the enemy just stops moving... minus doing it in velour...

[@kevincloud574]

Lol

[@42meep13]

I feel another reason theater shields weren't used much is I'm sure those things require a MASSIVE amount of power.

[@blakeetter280]

the wall of death had another perk thats less obvious, its scary as fuck. not like droids are scary themselves, especially to clones, but the wall of death is a parade style march relatively slow of droids, who canonically explode upon death too (really hard to animate so they dont bother in the movies or shows) which means killing one could take out his neighbors too. yet they did it anyways despite it being about the highest loss deployment method possible. thats because the clones knew it was wasteful and thus knew the CIS could afford to waste droids where the GAR was usually short on men. In season six of clone wars we see a whole battalion is like thirty clones, fifty max, apperantly. or at least three jedi wanted to capture a giant planet sized facility with that few clones (Anakin gives reinforcements to compensate heavy losses to another general. those reinforcements are ten clones only. they got by with few men apparently). So imagine you have a hundred men and you see the enemy slowly marching their thousands at you in an obviously exposed position they must know will cost them many many droids, what would be going through an average clones head? probably "i have a bad feeling about this" or some kind of hopeless fear. either way its demoralizing to the any army to know their adversary can throw away troops like that

[@ravager7217]

I feel like the Dwarf Spider Droids were also underutilized. Mobile artillery platforms seem like a handy thing to have around, if you ask me.

[@greemander4009]

Yeah and don't forget about their older brother. We saw that thing in like three battles.

[@lordwarlockthangwrath8662]

You call that the wall of death? *points* *at* *Imperial* *Guard* Meet the WALL OF GUNS!

[@tomaskops7119]

Send wall made of Death Korps of Krieg :)

[@akumaking1]

Armed with T-shirts, flashlights, and brass balls.

[@alexanderthegreat6682]

The planet broke before the Guard did!

[@tomaskops7119]

@@alexanderthegreat6682 We never forget Cadia!

[@alexanderthegreat6682]

@@tomaskops7119 CADIA STANDS

[@zexalbrony4799]

Even the weakness of the Wall of Death strategy can be useful: "Send more droids against the Jedi Knight! Their bodies are making a pile so high that he will never be able to cross it!" -Sentepeth Findos, during the Battle of Cato Neimoidia

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

The tactic of shooting clones was rarer than Gonk Droids. Why else would the CIS lose BOTH Clone Wars if that’s not true?

[@gonkdroid4603]

Gonk

[@thereaperlord3738]

Because in the late stage of the war nearly all droids was disabled by Palpatine and their leadership was killed by Anakin which was led there by Palpatine.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@thereaperlord3738 ssshhh you're not supposed to tell clone-stans the war was rigged or that there was a droid shut down, it might break their fragile egos.

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 The Republic would have either (barely) won, or negotiated a peaceful end to the war. Palps sabotaged the Republic far more than the CIS, stepping in for the Republic only when the CIS were about to win the war too early. That aside, the more likely event is that the Clone and Droid Armies would largely go unused, as a peaceful resolution would have been negotiated before the war got too out of hand.

[@TheGitakTV]

@@Sigma-gb9yd You must understand that in case of peace thats CIS victory... Their main mission is to leave Republic. They dont have to destroy or take over it. Also i doubt that Republic would have enough troops to occupy CIS. And without Palpatine taking over banks i doubt they would even have money.

[@nobleman9393]

Handheld Energy Shields would be only good against unsupported infantry that doesn't have any heavy weapons(Rocket Launchers, heavy blasters, mortars)

[@CollinMcLean]

That is an excellent point. And EMP style of weapons that would be deployed against droids would probably have a similar effect on the shields, rendering them moot.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@CollinMcLean not really, they have to use the force to roll the weapons past the shields first (as shown in the series) which can only be done in the immediate facility of the jedi. and the clones are shown to lack rocket launchers, heavy blasters and mortars, them being as rare as the CIS stuff in this video

[@CollinMcLean]

​@@matthiuskoenig3378 While force rolling anti droid weapons like poppers can ease the task it's not necessary. As long as you can roll it slowly it'll pass through the shields. And a slow roll is even less necessary for hand held shields.

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Tell that to the covenant

[@Iceflkn]

I feel these terrible tactics with bad decisions was more of how Palpatine engineered circumstances. He manipulated the banking clans in ways to restrict available funds to ensure the CIS would never win. His many other influences worked along side this.

[@JoaoPedro-ol7sl]

About the droidekas shields, the shield makes them move slower so magma guards and commando droids would lose their speed, which is one of the biggest advantage of the commando droids.

[@skaionex]

The real reason: they weren't meant to win. The Droid army wasn't built to win a war, just cause one. If they were allowed to actually go full ham, the clones wouldn't have won or even lived. Palpatine weakened the Droid army for a reason.

[@slytester1723]

Where the droideka couldn’t go the Drawf spider droid and crab droid could and those two were pretty deadly just imagine a shield drawf or crab droid

[@CrusadingJello]

I swear, some people in Star Wars Clone Wars, had godlike plot armor. Like... A ship being blown up, a single pod escaping, and the enemy focus-firing on that pod... BUT IT ESCAPES??? HUH???

[@barnowl2655]

To be fair, that battledroid wasn't a very good shot.

[@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc]

(0:31) I imagine that if the droids used smart tactics, the Separatists would have won the war. (0:38) In the grand scheme of sponsorships, that one wasn't that bad. (2:20) Well... Gungans aren't exactly commando droids.

[@Dantick09]

Droidekas would have been great to flank the enemy engaged with the wall of death, then roll away and reposition. Adding flat "shoes" to let them stand on soft ground

[@marshalllatta2073]

They did have a lot of weapons and vehicles they were so cool I'm so happy your finally doing video of this

[@kristianyoung990]

I actually have a Magna Guard enforcer in a Star Wars FFG game with an energy shield that it acquired from a disabled Droideka.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Your video on Devilainians ignored the elephant in the room or the StarWars creatures on There planet or exciting arena . They harsh government was ruled by the females . And last episode of the Bad Batch . Turns out the mothers of a male criminal was a devilarian

[@GuntherRommel]

Devaronian

[@krzosu]

mobile dedicated shield droids would make a lot of sense - say like the spider droids variants - but with a shield gen on top of them - mix in few of those in and that wall of death would become much more scary to beat.

[@aidancastette5712]

I have always wondered why the separatist did not have vulture droids fly strait into the bridge of clone ships.

[@tiredox3788]

Looks like they care more about quantity instead of quality.

[@geetslys]

In a nutshell, yes.

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

To be fair, that did win the CIS many battles, Those walls are as deadly as they are vulnerable

[@InitialiseDisk]

Orbital bombardments was another this the CIS should have used more considering most of the time they were capturing planets instead of protecting them.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Actually, I’d like to know which tactics that, though rare, were used repeatedly. From the episode Rookies, how often were Commando droids deployed like Republic Commandos? And more…

[@Just_Lars]

Well, the thing with all Commando Operations (at least in Star Wars) is, that they followed two targtes: Take out high value personal, or conquer/destroy critical infrastructer to prepare an attack. The thing is, especially the CIS had very few of those. There is no point in kiling Governeurs or Senators, because it doesn't do anything for the war. Same with bases or outposts: sure, you might conquer one, but why putting so much effort into something that can be archived by a surprise Attack by ordinary droids too. In the end, while the republic used their commandos for stuff like scouting, sabotage of factorys and so on, commando droids replaced Droidekas in guard dutys or where simply used as Jedi killers (a job Magna guards were better at) because most CIS Commanders rarely ever had use for them. They were too expensive to be deployed in mass numbers, while the the republic hadn't any big facilities worth destroying aside from maybe Kamino, a few hospital stations and Coruscant itself. What they were actually really good at was using civilian infrastructure and civilians themselves to their advantage. The seperatist leadership knew, that the Republic never would attack at the risk of civilian casulties, so a repeated strategy (with great success) was, to put up their Operation bases in big cities with many civilians. That way the enemy was forced to CQC-Combat, were the droids could use there mass numbers undisturbed by heavy fire. Another evry effective strategy was blockading planets to force the local government to surrender. Sure, it took some time but since most ships were manned by droids, it wasn't personal intense and the GAR couldn't fight anywhere at the same time, they needed to focus power to break one. And when theere where dozens of blockades all over the galaxy, you can imagine that it was a figth against windmills.

[@starlightdragon2665]

As far as I could tell; reading into the lore from Republic Commando forwards and throughout the Clone Wars; Rise of the Empire and the Galatic Civil War Periods. CIS droids were superior in nearly every respect to clones; save for their independent thinking. Clone casualties in the Clone War; Storm Troopers, Rebels and Zann Consortium Forces all took heavy casualties against droids; even the overpowered and highly well equipped (albeit illegally) Zann Consortium struggled to take over a droid factory. The largest reasons why the CIS didn't employ greater methods was because Emperor Palpatine was running the show. In addition the CIS were also not as well unified as they seemed; they were dozens of independence groups working together, but that didn't mean they all liked it. I imagine price tags for cheap items were exorbitant; and even expensive items were difficult to make because one group wanted way more credits than the tech was worth.

[@biggiecheez4203]

I live how Droidikas were so badass even Jedi had trouble meanwhile in BF2 their the most useless units in the game😂

[@pendragonshall]

Unfortunately as with most of this type of fiction.. It's poor writing and plot armor for single books/movie/episodes.. I know it's fun to try and think up reasons that fit. But. This is the reason. THAT DOESN"T MEAN. We shouldn't do these type of videos/thinking etc. But. You probably should at least mention this..

[@thedisturbedone5026]

I absolutely remember the sniper destroyer droids because those things suck to fight in one of the lego starwars games

[@Hapa45lolo]

Trench was Rommel and Grievous was like Patton

[@G59forlife.]

I know Rommel, but who was Patton?

[@TheHawkeye0725]

@@G59forlife. one of the most successful US generals during ww2 and who helped liberate Sicily

[@G59forlife.]

@@TheHawkeye0725 thanks

[@unnamed1613]

While it´s obviously way to inefficient to equip every mere B1 or B2 Battledroid with a PSG, it still doesn´t make much sense why they wouldn´t use them on the more expensive and thus less expendable models like Magnaguards or Elite-Battledroids, especialy since the Magnaguards are primarily designed for CQC and have to close the distance to their target without beeing hit by blasterfire. Most CoS Leaders are buisnessmen. They should realize it´s cheaper and more efficient to spend more on the Droids to increase their durability in combat instead of wasting ressources to constantly replace them due to lesser defences.

[@colegrigsby9401]

why not slightly stagger the droids in the wall of death so the second road can fire as well as the first.

[@nomorok15]

The Last one I call bs on. Having a load of medium sized mobile shield generators in the middle of those square formation does not seem like that much of a hastle. Just put them in the front lines to absorb most of what's coming your way and that rly should do it in most battles, maybe put some on high priority troops if need be. With those numbers it's not about getting no losses but losses you can calculate and take without having to worry about it.

[@neofulcrum5013]

It’s good to see some of the cis droids used by the Rebels. Though If I were them I’d get a couple of commando droids.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

A few commando droids were picked up by Darth Vader though, which to the rebels probably put them among the list of forbidden imperial Equipment.

[@isaackim7675]

B1 Unit, "Well, orders are orders!"

[@InventorZahran]

"Good soldiers follow orders."

[@strictlyinstrumental2129]

You also have to remember that most of these strategies, as seen in the clone wars, were undermined by the Jedi. Yeah, sure you could revise them, but they would evidently just find another way around it, and the cycle would keep repeating. Meanwhile, strategies like the death March and other strategies that seemingly could have been put to revision actually won a decent number of battles.

[@ikicrat2379]

I think it Was basically the desgin of the Clone Wars by Sidious and Tyranus. If Tyranus really tried to win against Sidious better tactics would have been used and the Droid army i think would have been more Civil to civilans to get the public on their side.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

1:29 the weapon here is the most under used weapon for its effectiveness and simplicity. we are shown in the episodes its used single B1s are more than capable of lifting and carrying mutch heavier equipment (shells for their semi-autonomous cannons), and the things lay down serieous firepower even jedi have a hard time , let alone the clones. if there was 1 for every 10 B1s (like the MG42 for the germans in ww2) the seps would likely lockdown the field in practically every battle, giveing the seps a major advantage. add in mortars (cheap and effective close support artillery) and more artillery in general and the clones would be quickly suppressed and destroyed, while the droids would be mostly free to manuvre and advance.

[@kyleyuen245]

Before watching the video, my guess is they were too expensive to produce more Edit: called it

[@shankthebat8654]

You're missing the most obvious and most honest answer. The CiS armies didn't use advanced tactics more than once, because this was a TV show, and they didn't like to repeat tactics, because that would bore people. They didn't repeat a winning strategy because the bad guys can't be allowed to win. Unique designs followed the "rule of cool" and were deployed based on that, not on based on tactics or strategy.

[@squilliampills9851]

An idea they could've used was a ray shield on the back of an AAT, and you have one in an armored column of, let's say 20 tanks, put the shield tank at the middle or the rear of the formation and now the column is more heavily defended.

[@heinrichfrost6952]

I would say droidekas were the perfect flanking unit... But since we never saw such complex tactic in the battlefield, I guess it must remain just as a theory lol

[@AncestorEmpire1]

A question from the expanded universe I never saw an answer to: Was Jaden Korr a part of the Thrawn Jedi Cloning program?

[@ayaskantmahapatra2487]

So Surfshark is how signatures were scrambled?

[@Dudeman9339]

well... when you have an unyielding and untiring and fearless army you tend to lean on those strengths quite heavily.

[@phantomsights4533]

The one thing I always wondered. I’m the later seasons when we see Commando Droids, why are they always Commando Droid Captains and never the regular ones? Like when Rex, Anakin, and Fives went to save Tup, we see only Commando Droid Captains and not regular ones. Is it because Captains are more competent and they didn’t want to use normies or is this something I’m thinking to hard about?

[@zacharyhoyte493]

That’s probably the animators being lazy and using one model of commando droids

[@mattd5857]

I feel like the Wall of Death strategy may have been one more motivated by the corporate leadership of the CIS than any potential tactical value. In most situations you want heavy armor to lead your charges as those units can shrug off small arms fire and take out priority targets before the lighter more vulnerable infantry come in to actually secure the area and mop up anything the armor missed. With the droid army though I can see even entire platoons of B1s being cheaper than a single AAT and with casualties being a non issue it's simply more cost effective to lead with the most disposable and cheapest unit.

[@Pyranafish]

seps should really use more hit-n-run tactic with the vulture droids and drop deploy droideikas and take the gar from behind

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

That would've been cool to see.

[@chengzhou8711]

I love how you compared The United States and the Empire, but I have to tell you something, Geetsley, VPNs are not as secure as they are made out to be. Thanks for the video as always.

[@InventorZahran]

Yes. A VPN is not a one-stop solution, but it can be effective when used in conjunction with other tools and responsible privacy practices.

[@breaden4381]

So droidekas with wheels or tracks would have been OP

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Personal handheld shields are an underapreciated tactic. You cant imagine how much I hate jackals after playing halo ce on heroic!

[@RC--sg9kd]

Those are some serious looking droids.... they don't stand a chance against me tho.

[@Obiwan7100]

Do you think you heard about the tragedy of Darth Roger the Clanka?

[@oliverbrooks4588]

The sniper droidika always reminded me the turret the covenent uses with the grunts

[@AustinAllenRaney]

May the force be with you all, always! #🌟

[@dreamingflurry2729]

It probably (at least in universe) comes down to Sidious not wanting the CIS to win too much, otherwise the war might have slipped out of his control. I mean droidekas could have easily been upgraded with better legs to be able to walk on sand and such and maybe even a repulsor-unit to prevent them from easily being force-pushed, if you added some better weapons and maybe some phrik or cortosis-weave (to protect them while rolling!), then you have a jedi-killer on your hands (which could of course be turned on the sith, too!)! Sniper-Droidekas could have been used to overwhelm weaker Jedi at long range, droids with shields would have over all been tougher to kill, while still being able to be made a lot faster than clones (clones need to grow, even with growth-acceleration (which also makes them age faster later on, so it is a trade off), not to mention that they need training (even with flash-learning, which is quite dangerous, too as it can damage the brain!))...hell, if the CIS went all out, the Jedi might have once again have had to utilize techniques they forgot about (sometimes deliberately, because of dogma...hell, they might have had to teach everybody ELECTRIC JUDGEMENT, which is a Jedi-Version of Force Lightning!), like Droid-Destruction Force Power! Hell, they might have looked into battle meditation, to boost the clones even more (and which would make even some badly trained Rebell forces - yes, the first Rebells were badly trained (if at all! Many were cannon fodder basically) - into an army, with a single Jedi there to utilize battle meditation, which basically turns living beings into a something akin to a hive mind or a fully networked droid army!)

[@Noah-zz8uw]

I think another part of the reason is how TCW portrays the CIS as mostly marching columns of B1s armed with E-5s, when expanded content like Star Wars Legion has the average squad of B1 Battledroids carrying 2 or so heavy weapons, using genuine tactics, and Battlefront 2 has a variety of weapons that B1s can be equipped with as well.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

I'd like to see a video on nonhuman groups that willingly supported the Empire (i.e., the Ailon Nova Guard), if you haven't done one already.

[@nathankuberski3500]

Honestly we could probably just blame it on Palps trying to delay the end of the war.

[@Viperfish9000]

Hello there! *proceeds to jump into a droid army*

[@BrassPlayr]

General Kenobi! You are a bold one.

[@Viperfish9000]

@@BrassPlayr head clanka I'll just delay him until my army which cam take over 3 systems arrives

[@Obiwan7100]

@@BrassPlayr Hello There

[@Viperfish9000]

@@Obiwan7100 I will do what I must..... General kenobi! Ha ha ha you are a bold one! (Grevious is my favourite SW and sci-fi character)

[@fonesrphunny7242]

2:22 If the shield deflects blaster fire, how can you shoot through it from behind without pushing the gun all the way through the shield? Wouldn't the 'energy projectile' be reflected before it leaves the barrel? 3:30 These guns are perfectly enclosed inside the shield. Why are these shields working differently?

[@hawke7471]

Theyre polarized in such a way that the blaster fire can come *out*, but blaster fire can't come in perhaps? Much like a 3DS's 3D function, where turning it on and off actually adjusts the beams passing through the screen to make that 3D look?

[@rc59191]

What's even more rare are the Republic's battle droids. Only time I've seen them are in Fall of The Republic.

[@herrtyphive1503]

I think that Papa Palp didnt allow shields etc to be used on droids because then the CIS would have become too powerful and that would risk the republics final Victory, which Palpy needed to create his empire

[@garethwood1139]

9:20 'Last-ditch' and 'vanguard' don't really belong together since the vanguard is the front line of the initial attack.

[@TWOHEADEDOGRE]

6:54 the closest thing to the real world version of that tactic is called human wave attack

[@empireofitalypsstimfromano5025]

*Plot Armor.* Ez Answer, Now We Can All Go Home... *If CIS Only Used OP Tactics They Would Have Been Banned Permanently For Exploiting* *That Was Very Funny And You All Laughed*

[@Hellsong89]

"There is easier ways to kill a jedi (than sniper) like *ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT*" Yes that probably does the job yes and hell might even be cheaper since turbo lasers take energy from the generator.... but while CIS had sumbers advantage when comes to capital ships they didnt always have system superiority, to put ship into low orbit to fire accurately against singular target or two.

[@CaptainPrincess]

its funny that the droidekas' stubby little legs left them relegated to use indoors since their ability to fold up and roll out like a wheel wouldve been a great way to deploy and position them across any kind of terrain, so long as they didnt need to move once theyd set up

[@MasterChiefSpartan117]

The reason certain advanced battle droids and tactics were scarcely used was due to cost. Obviously these advanced droids were more expensive compared to standard battle droids.

[@nightjaw2233]

its a shame the sepratists never used the scorpenek annihilator droid for the wall of death honestly think that may have been effective on the front lines if there were larger amounts of those droids

[@pluto5988]

I figured out how to solve the shield problem, make a shield tank. it's a hovering tank like the AAT that instead of holding a massive cannon carries a massive shield. Problem solved, seppies win. Good night Republic.

[@The49thKey]

I could have answered this question with one statement. The dark lord of the sith didn't want either side to win the war because he needed a long protracted war to implement his plan of galactic conquest.

[@norad_clips]

That surfshark lead in was great!

[@-CrimsoN-]

Droidekas can only deploy their shields when they are stationary and not rolling. Therefore, shields would have been useless on something like droid commandos who rely on their agility as their greatest feat.

[@PJOZeus]

Maybe it takes a lot of theatre shields, but a theatre shield covers the same area, if one is effective a dozen with a dozen times the army would be just as effective Yes it would cost a dozen times more, but it would just as effective credit for credit

[@pyrosauria7444]

Now I know we have these discussions about why the Republic and CIS didn’t do more of a specific thing. But here’s a question to ask. Why didn’t we see a lot of stuff from the Clone Wars, including these specialized units and tactics, be used by the Empire? I mean stormtroopers (for all their awful depictions) are meant to be well trained marines to the Empire yet they seem to almost always use just a big down standard infantry for most stuff instead of mixing up specialized units in their ranks. The shields for example could have been used by Stormtrooper guards on ships and stations.

[@Just_Lars]

Canonically, the Empire's propaganda made it seem like the Stormtrooper where the Empires finest, when they really were not. Maybe at the start, yes, but with the years they lowered the standards and the Stormtrooper exeeded in numbers even partially the "regular" Imperial troops. Plus, those were mostly stationed on peaceful planets as a kind of heavy armed police, while Stormtrooper where more or less the actual Army of the Empire. The high numbers brought up the need for relatively cheap, standartized equipment and since dead Stormtroopers where higly replaceble, there really was no need to put more money into them then necessary. Another explenation would be, that the priorites where just different. Since Tarkin established his doktrin, the Empire tried to look as scary as possible. The money got into big, shiny projects. A battle station here, a massive fleet of basically useless Battleships there. They just saw no need to equip the troops properly, because as soon as the galaxy would see the true potential of the empire, nobody would rebel anyway.

[@HarryPotter-qj2sp]

I would have of been collecting all the robots. Used them as guard dogs

[@TheZamaron]

THe CIS tactics are just really cool. THey have all these units but they keep tactics rather simple, send in waves of cannon fodder. But as we saw in EP 2 they had the means to do this, we saw how quickly a B1 can be made in a factory, now have that ocuring deep in their territory safe from invasion for long enough and they can churn out huge armies. THus as the war progressed, depite having a decent veriety of units, most Sep leaders just stuck to this basic tactic, and thus the Republic with mounting losses that were slow to replace, switched to guality over quantity, seen by them usng the V-19 and Z-95 as their basic fighter and Y-wing as their main bomber, the mounting pilot losses saw the ARC-170 which I would classify as a Heavy or Specialist Fighter like the Tie Defeneder and B-Wing of later years, was made the main workhorse of the Navy, since they couldn't out number the droids, out gun them, using the stronger ARC-170 it filled the role of fighter and sort of bomber, essentially the ARC-170 becae the go to fighter for bombing and engaging capital ships, while the V-wing became the ne main Interceptor and did it's best to deal with droid fighters allowing the ARC-170 to try and accomplish it's task. We also see this in EP 2 where the CLone Army lined up in formations on Geonosis, standard battle tactics, but then in EP 3 made very clear with Kashyyk they fought more spread out, had more specialized units, and more diverse vehicles, thus they outgunned the CIS as best as they could and used diverse tactics.

[@Predator20357]

Yah, the Wall of Death to me is an absolute joke if you have very light units marching slowly. The size thing isn’t a benefit in using it, it’s a crutch to make it have some use. If the GAR used more Artillery, Bombers, Mortars and such. The Wall of Death would be the robot equivalent of WW1 as they have no defenses besides just robots which will go out when their slow movement gets struck by Artillery. With how Confederates Leaders use their droids, I feel like the GAR would’ve won in the end unless the Leaders either coughed up some cash to provide proper defenses or to give them better tactics. It reminds me of the Ukraine War where the Russian Convoys gets bombed and ambushed constantly.

[@jenniferstewarts4851]

I think a more likely justification was. The Sepertets were an alliance of different companies, worlds and such... Think of the Allies of WW2. And while we "might" see something like the Sherman in every theater... Why didn't the Americans use the Spitfires early war? Why didn't the Brittish use the US carriers? Most likely what we were seeing was "different factions" or governments under the Separatist alliance umbrella, in different theaters, using what THEY found worked, and what THEY had designed. While many items were "lend leased". Different groups would likely design, build and use their own specalized items for the theaters they work in... and not "share" with other factions, or worse, not want to take from other factions because of their own pride. "Bah, why should we keep getting american handme downs... when we can produce our own Yak-1 fighters!" Lack of wanting to share, domestic pride, and such, lead factions do design and build their own and use their own rather then sharing. US built the sherman, Russia built the T-34, UK built the Crusader. each worked for its theater.

[@chobitsgnarlslover]

too bad the droids never took down tactics used by the early humans...such as infantry/ spearmen/long range in the wall of death. things like...game of thrones utilized cavalry (forget droidekas but using SBD?) archers....obviously utilizing sniper routines. obviously malastar with the idea of theatre shields was a instance they could've used tiered weapons to cover better long-mid-short range

[@riolufan2249]

The wall of death deployment strategy is possibly not as bad as he frames it as, not just efficient deployment, but if you have a single droid shooting at 60 blasts per minute (bpm) and you have 64 droids in an 8x8 formation you have 60 blasts multiplied by 64, affectively increasing the fire rate rediculously high if they're focusing on a single target. And with this would've been way better with the fact that the CIS seldom had to worry about being outnumbered. This formation was actually used by European countries during the 1800s as a unit of soldiers would have the fire rate of a machine gun with only using muskets

[@leftfootfirstpolitics]

The CIS would have been unstoppable on land if they just used 20th century maneuver warfare tactics. Columns of AATs backed up by vehicle-carried infantry could run circles around Republic armored formations and shred Republic infantry in open terrain, while concentrated formations of BX commandos with artillery support could storm Republic positions in urban areas and forests. Republic battle lines could be cut apart and isolated from resupply before being overrun, one segment at a time, by "walls of death" from multiple directions.

[@HHLucifer666]

Geetslys: “…since jedi usually like to fight from the front there are easier ways to kill them than sniper fire, like, oh I don’t know…orbital bombardment?” Me: isn’t that… excessive? Why not just shoot ‘em like everyone else did…

[@haffdanthorfinnson2413]

I would argue the Republics involvement on the whole wasn't as large as the individual planets. Snipers would have been drastically effective.

[@MelonBoi]

What I never understood about the cis army is the fact that they just didn’t use ig series droids in canon. Like, yeah they were more expensive and made by a different manufacturer, but they were like one man armies and buying 1000-2000 units wouldn’t really be that much of a financial blow to the cis. It’s not like they would have gone broke if they used a few hundred of them here and there.

[@GoranXII]

Actually, Jedis wouldn't be the _only_ viable targets, AT-TE pilots and main gunners would also be useful to stop, since that could disrupt a Republic advance. As to shields, mount the things in converted MTTs.

[@randomknight2585]

I feel like the wall of death strategy could of been effective, if it had been used better. A very similar real life strategy was Soviet and Chinese doctrine during much of the Cold War, which relied on many of the same advantages the separatists possess, namely shear production capability and numbers. Unlike common belief, Soviet doctrine wasn’t just throwing soldiers and tanks at the enemy until they won, it was much more complex then just a horde of unit. The idea was rooted in the concept of ‘deep-battle’ which emphasized extending warfare into an opponents rear lines by using large, corp-sized or front-sized units to force the enemy to spread their defenses thin, unknowing of where the main effort was. This was accomplished by the coordination of large and heavily armed forces to assault all at once in a highly detailed and planned out style, causing a ballet of death and destruction that would overwhelm the enemy. Now that’s what the Soviets were capable of with the worldly production capacity and having to worry about human lives lost, the separatists had no such reason to care about that. This could of helped massively in their favor, but much of their tactics were just haphazard swarms and massed forces on a random location, with none of the scale or coordination required for a Soviet-esque assault. If they did use of how ever, they would of been a much more formidable force most-likely.

[@nick3xtremegaming212]

simple the CIS was supposed to lose to palpatine used his influence to keep the CIS from using their full strength and full tactical might to win the war

[@hawke7471]

C.I.S

[@tomoyukisaito5275]

Honestly sending a few waves of droidika's to distract the enemy as you have your death wall move in with the deflector shield. Your first few wave of B1's and Super Battle Droids having their own personal shields to help protect the front of the army in case some how the deflector shield gets destroyed or just when you finally make contact with the enemy within range. Having Jedi killer manga guards with thier own personal shields while being protected by the Commando droids armed with sniper rifles to basically just kill off any Jedi and Clone Commanders. Fuck it send some Droidika's at Clone Armor with them having a explosive core or something inside so they can just be suicide bombers. Add in some air support and have a backup deflector shield just in case the 1st one gets destroyed.

[@bobsterclause342]

Im thinking that the shielding is externally powered. That would explain everything. In fact, the tanks flew really, really high, around 5he mtts. That can be explained too.

[@christopherg2347]

# The handheld shield was only used in that prison, because it was a riot shield. Using Comando droids as prison guards was a waste, but also nessesary to recapture escaped prisoners *alive* Commando Droids were much harder to kill using acrobatics then shields # droidekas were turrets or MG nests with a travel mode - not battlefield weapons. With low speed and a vulnerable travel mode, they would have been heavy weapons and artillery magnets # sniper droidekas were a terrible idea. They used the same limited components of a droideka. But they also needed to be put on exposed highground, making them _even easier_ HW and Arti targets. And they could not use cover like a humanoid # snipers rarely worked in Star Wars. Jedi precognition is hard to overcome. And the sniper droids usually died within seconds of firing the first shot. Changing position is sniper 101, but they could not do even that effectively