Gen 9’s Strongest Returning Legendaries.

[@jimothycool]

Forgot Necrozma Dusk Mane. Though it has the same typing as Solgaleo, it's stats, movepool and ability are significantly better. Should be quite good. Also forgot Kyurem Black and White. They'll probably end up in Ubers UU Jim's Cool Mugs: jimothycool.com/

[@ryanbob]

Weakness policy duskmane with agility did so much work for me in gen 8 😂

[@peacebone8112]

You didn't mention Necrozma dawn wings in this one. Thoughts?

[@daniellejackson6543]

​@peacebone8112 It has always been bad because of opportunity cost and 4 times weaknesses.

[@goatresx1799]

I doubt Kyurem Black is gonna be UUbers because D-Dance + Loaded Dice Icicle Spear is gonna be a demon

[@nopeno-s5r]

@@ryanbobUse trick room instead of agility, then you don't have to run speed investment

[@drxavier1870]

Ho-Oh on its way to get Revival Blessing with its lore

[@Jordan13299]

This is one of those instances where GF will prioritize balance over lore flavor. 💀

[@TheRandomGuyEverestEver]

​@@Jordan13299because GF has a REAL good track record with balancing the game this gen, right?

[@marcelomelo9977]

Dear god no💀💀

[@daniellejackson6543]

​@marcelomelo9977 It isn't even that good of a move.

[@bluebaron6811]

Honestly, let the Legendary be busted. I'm sick of people excusing weak legendaries like Reshiram and Dialga just because "oooouuuuh... ouh, but da balance, though 🤓" No, according to gen 8 usage rates, Reshiram and Dialga are worse than fu*king SHUCKLE.

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

It’s incredible how Ho-oh started as one of the worst legendaries in Ubers in GSC, but evolved through the generations, to find itself as one of the most relevant nowadays

[@xendra333]

Like a phoenix, this bird always comes back better

[@azeria1]

Considering stealth rock it's really surprising

[@Lichtkrieger13]

It sounds awkward but in a way stealth rocks help Ho-Oh. There aren't many 4x weak mons, meaning a lot of teams just forego actual Ho-Oh Coverage. If you can then keep hazards off fairly reliably it's a real stinker to face

[@yungmuney5903]

Mostly because Ho oh had 0 flying moves and Fire was a special type so Sacred Fire wasn't as helpful, but it all changed in Gen 4 with the split and Brave Bird, then Gen 5 came out with a cracked ass ability in Regenerator.

[@DragonFellowship]

​@@yungmuney5903also roost in gen 4

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

I ❤️ using Tera Ground Ho-oh in NatDex Ubers, eliminating its crippling Rock weakness, and giving Electric immunity.

[@bradensmith8682]

Tera Ground Earthquakes are so good. And the flying types that dodge it do not want a Sacred Fire or Brave Bird afterwards. Hopefully Ho-Oh gets Flame Charge, I can't remember if it already got it.

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

@@bradensmith8682 I think it has Flame Charge. Hopefully it won't get snapped by GF. Flame Charge is a TM in Gen 9 after all

[@kono_dust_da8180]

Probably Tera grasa since then your not weak to Choice scarf kyroge

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@@kono_dust_da8180eh, that's why you carry a Koraidon and Ferrothorn in the back. Play like it's Gen 5 and enforce your solar superiority (bonus points if you have miraidon to ensure you can always revenge with E-drift)

[@A_Hardy_Lopunny]

​​@@theapexsurvivor9538I don't think your gonna use a korra in nat dex haha

[@smashman1a]

A water type with regenerator? Who would ever think of such a thing?!

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

I rather have Tera Ground with boots

[@aghadlarhen9397]

*_Me, manifesting a Swampert hidden ability change in the Indigo Disk DLC_*

[@cadetjones9205]

Imagine if it had a poison inflicting protect, a STAB water move with a high burn chance and crazy high defenses alongside stat removing moves. Now that would be broken beyond belief! Even a nerf wouldn't stop it!

[@Adjudicator1]

@@cadetjones9205 Hmm. Poison inflicting Protect: Baneful Bunker Water move with burn chance: Scald Stat removing move: Haze I am reminded of Generation 7 and Generation 8 Mareanie and Toxapex.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@@Adjudicator1yes, that is the joke, good job...

[@ProfessorChad0570]

All fun and games till you pop Tera Ice Loaded Dice Kyurem Black with Icicle Spear and make Baxcaliber look like a UU mon.

[@cjodol3271]

He right

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

And remember, Bax is a pseudo legend. Kyurem-B is an actual legendary, so it's stats are way better

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

The advantage Bax has over KyuB is Bax can't be burned But KyuB eats Unaware mons once boosted due to Teravolt ignoring Unaware.

[@overlord3481]

​@@Gold_Gamer_100 Bax still has better stats. higher attack, making it a superior ddance booster

[@r0w5tortion84]

​@@overlord3481did you look them up? Kyurem-B has 125/170 over Bax's 115/145. Heck, all of KB's stats are higher than Bax's

[@choatixtherobot]

If Cosmog is still in the game, it'll keep Teleport for its evolutions. Teleport was lost mostly because it was a TM in gen 1 VC and that was it.

[@biscuitboi3561]

Deoxys got it too which might be good with defense

[@midnightjeff4326]

Kinda curious to see if ho-oh gets revival blessing it fits with its lore so would be a crazy addition

[@airam1721]

Until you remember zacian gets iron defense but zamazenta doesn't get swords dance

[@daniellejackson6543]

​​@@airam1721well zacian is made of metal but zamazenta isn't made of swords. Also Ho-Oh getting revival blessing is too hype for them to pass up on as it isn't really a signature move per say.

[@airam1721]

@@daniellejackson6543 well, the iron isn't meant to be that sturdy, but it should be totally pointy, and vice versa for zamazenta but he still can't get those cool swords

[@lovelylunarlady]

Kyurem will lose Roost, unless it comes back as a TM in the DLC. Kyurem had access to Roost via TM in gen 7, so it's a transfer move. So just like Gliscor, who also lost roost. Without recovery, I think Kyurem will be less annoying and should be fine to start in OU. Could eventually get banned with just the specs set but only time will tell.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

Given how crazy high the ceiling is in OU, who knows, maybe Kyurem could stay, even if for a little bit. Kyurem-B however, is getting quickbanned. Aurora Veil+Snow on a Dragon Dancer is just Baxcalibur 2.0

[@Imitationist]

​​@@Gold_Gamer_100 It still gets checked by Zacian and Magearna in Uubers so we"ll have to wait for kinesquared to publish the usage rage

[@bluebaron6811]

Nah, dude got Dragon Dance and Icicle Spear in gen 8; thats why him, as well as his Black Lizards Matter persona, got banned.

[@fractalisomega9517]

Without roost it’s down to UU and lower

[@JavierNS4]

I think you are forgetting the buff to his defense on snow with Alola Ninetales + aurora Veil to set up

[@balisticemerald8512]

Really don't think Kyurem will stay in OU. It's already tough to break, imagine what snow defense boost + Aurora Veil is going to do to it (hint: Ninetails-A can survive STAB Iron Heads). Like this thing will always be behind a sub or with 3 Dragon Dances under the belt, then tera to a good defensive or offensive type and mess things up

[@tonberry2670]

I feel like after a certain point, Veil or Light Clay might be the real issue here

[@carsonbiller1825]

yeah, the sub dd set is just too nasty with its enormous 125 hp

[@lazerwolf1997]

Also, it can now lose its troublesome defensive typing and become steel with stab Flash Cannon.

[@rancidpenguin2489]

isn't it uubl in national dex? And it'll probably be losing roost because it was a transfer move from a TM.

[@slemded]

classic returning legendaries like ho oh and lugia will finally be available to use in gen 9.

[@noahwells7922]

With the upcoming release of the indigo disk DLC

[@tyketyke]

Gen 9 Ubers is about to look completely different with all of these incredible new options to choose from.

[@roshanb8388]

But which returning legendaries are going to be the best in competetive singles?

[@fizhing]

Lets take a look folks.

[@playerthatalwaysgotglitcha65]

Let's take a look let's talk about kyurem first.

[@zememerr2329]

It’s very likely Solgaleo keeps Teleport. Cosmog and Cosmoem have incredibly few moves, one of them being Teleport. So, unless they’re feeling especially cruel to those 2, I imagine the whole line will keep Teleport

[@furiouscorgi6614]

Seeing as Cosmog and Cosmoem were restricted legends in VGC, they'll keep Teleport to have a niche

[@daniellejackson6543]

​​​@@furiouscorgi6614Who the *clown noises* would want to use cosmog or cosmoem over something useful like groudon, kyogre, miraidon, and even non restricted mons?

[@furiouscorgi6614]

@daniellejackson6543 nobody. They're Restricted Legends for the same way that Kubfu is, they're in the evolutionary line

[@daniellejackson6543]

​​@@furiouscorgi6614Well you were the one that said they have a niche. Also urshifu isn't a restricted legendary.

[@furiouscorgi6614]

@@daniellejackson6543 i forgor. that being said, their niche is being bad, I'm an expert at it

[@AngryAyrab]

Please talk about Ledian and how it’s going to be a huge threat.

[@marcorodriguez8792]

Just being able to use my Lugia that was once shadow in Gale of Darkness makes me happy. I plan to also bring Ho-oh from Colosseum after I win the 100 MT battle challenge with it. I am hype for this DLC

[@thomasxl200]

Same dude, I brought my friend's Shadow Lugia that he traded me 2 decades ago up through every single game and I can't wait to bring it up to Violet. Same with my HGSS Ho-Oh, one of the first mons I EV trained in Heart Gold back in the day when EV training was actually somewhat difficult lol.

[@airam1721]

​@@thomasxl200 what did he trade shadow Lugia for?

[@sramain2852]

1:37 Jim called them dogs, it’s never been more over, folks

[@jamesh7469]

Cosmog has Teleport as like it's only move, so Solgaleo almost certainly has teleport

[@elijahgriffin5435]

Actually, shadow shield is slightly different. They figured that Lunala needed the dlc privilege, so its shadow shield is immune to mold breaker abilties. This actually is useful sometimes, as it lets it deal with zekrom and reshiram much more easily.

[@oxedward4738]

You didn’t talk about the Necrozmas. Dusk Mane has been a really big presence in the past.

[@allieginter8438]

I think he missed the Kyurem fusions and the Swords of Justice too

[@VerbalLearning]

I don't know if there's any official nomenclature for the new Uber tiers (which we'll likely get more off in the future) but i really love the idea of referring to them as OUbers and UUbers and so on.

[@kimotokirby1601]

there is, uubers is official

[@Dragostorm21]

Isn't it uu ubers rather than uubers officially? People should still refer to it as uubers, the name is too good

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@@Dragostorm21yeah, the format proposal was for UUbers, but the showdown mods didn't want people thinking it was a typo so forced it to be Ubers UU. Of course, the instant Gen 10 DLC releases we'll just get a new clump of ladders: OUbers, UUbers, RUbers... Gen 11 will make ZUbers a thing on launch and Zubat WILL have higher usage in it than Mewtwo in Gen 1...

[@Dragostorm21]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 unfortunately it isn't possible to have more than 100% usage. But zubat doesn't care about what "math" thinks

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

@@Dragostorm21 exactly, it just cares that repels can't be used in battle...

[@TheRedStinger82]

Necrozma Dusk Mane is also coming back, meaning that it will be another great Ubers Pokemon

[@viana0672]

Ho-oh will be in like 70 % usage, and some counters to it will rise too

[@robin_nohood2515]

a set I used in gen 7 that I used to counter stall was: reflect type, calm mind, recover, stored power latias. it does noting against dark types but if you target dark types with coverage it can just solo stall teams.

[@robin_nohood2515]

@@olivergro7105 reflect type on ferro corviknight or pex

[@JustInCaseD]

Solgaleo will likely retain Teleport when coming to gen 9, purely because its one of the only moves that Cosmog learns. I don't think Gamefreak will go out of their way to to axe one of the 2 moves from the little puff cloud's moveset, which works to Solgaleo's benefit.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

Instead it just makes it impossible to catch one, you just transfer it.

[@expo_pkmn]

Please never get rid of the opening sequences between the Pokemon. Truly a highlight to my day

[@cjodol3271]

Ho-oh Will basically be a better version of Home meta Moltres

[@Munby1]

That poor bird is missing a wing. What did Jim do

[@jimothycool]

You be quiet.

[@senny-]

It'll just Regenerate, dw. Ho-oh is an infinite fried chicken generator if you think about it.

[@Munby1]

@@senny- I think we should consult "Ho-Oh" on that before making any assumptions

[@snakeydookey6683]

I love the dialouge between pokemon at the start of your videos

[@Verde-Firepaw]

Zekrom has already shown itself to be useful considering it had to face zacian in gen 8 and could win if it got a dragon dance up out running and koing a lot of things.

[@wonderfulrose477]

His reasoning was that it’s now directly competing against Miraidon for electric/dragon and why would you choose zekrom over Miraidon

[@Verde-Firepaw]

@@wonderfulrose477 I would pick zekrom, I play scarlet. (Even if I did have violet I still like zekrom better)

[@M3rtyville]

Lugia can finally become a water type how it suppose to be.

[@CoolerThanHot]

I would to mention that Kyurem can actually use a physical set now, with the addition of loaded dice it can now actually use icicle spear without the fear of it not getting enough it’s in, that with dragon dance you could pull off a sweeper set with the help of snow allowing you to tank hits as you set up.

[@peet-janissen5838]

Solgaleo is probably gonna keep teleport given that it is a level up move

[@IndiraDevi-yq6vm]

it IS gonna lol cosmog learns no other moves.

[@PhantomBunny888]

Cosmog will get NOTHING and like it @@IndiraDevi-yq6vm

[@lesqueegee]

Regenerator is one of the best abilities in the entire game

[@bdzmru8489]

If ho oh gets revival blessing being a phoenix and all it will further make this Pokémon insanely popular in Uber

[@IndiraDevi-yq6vm]

solgaleo WILL keep teleport. Cosmog learns only teleport.

[@Shattered_Starstorm]

And Splash.

[@typhlosion7872]

For Ho-oh, not even just before Boots, but it was great in gen 4 with only Pressure. Nuclear threat on sun teams and just terrifyingly strong overall

[@destroyingpotato]

Both kyurem and zekrom get dragon dance, I feel like kyurem with its 130 base atk could become similar to baxcalibur with a loaded dice set. Zekrom was also one of the most scary sweepers in gen 8 Ubers so it definitely could make a comeback. (at the very least its not dropping to UUbers)

[@emeraldblade3747]

ive always wanted to run hone claws zekrom to fix bolt strike, but also the speed boost from dd, now it can just use scale shot

[@furiouscorgi6614]

and Hone Claws even helps out Scale Shot being 90 acc

[@travisteatime]

Would love to see a follow-up video on this once the legendaries actually are available, with you reacting to all your predictions, keeping track of how much you got right. That could be fun.

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

Latias as a Calm Mind sweeper was one of my standbye favorite mons in Gen 8 OU, alongside Corvioknight and Gliscor for a core of bulky pokemon with roost and stat boosting moves. I just used normal attacking moves- I think Psychic and Aura Sphere, but it might've been Dragon Pulse instead of Psychic, rather than Stored Power to force reliance on Calm Mind. It was important to sometimes just be able to hit them without a boost, if you needed to apply pressure.

[@astridparungao4971]

I do hope Ho-Oh and Lugia gets a new forme or upgrade in a way. They're the only dual cover legendaries from the classic era that never got it.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Their Hidden Abilities were their upgrades and both are great ones to have.

[@teno777]

@@ShiningJudgment666 And both have survived the test of time so far, can’t say the same for some. :(

[@typhlosion7872]

Lunala may be the mon that benefits most from terastalization. Turning multiple 4x weaknesses to some of the most common offensive types in the game with dark and ghost into neutralities or resistances while changing your type to an amazing defensive type like fairy, water, or steel

[@thomasxl200]

Looking at my Ho-Oh plushie with pride knowing that my favorite mon still has the sauce after all these years

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Ever since it got Brave Bird. And then in Gen 5 gaining Regenerator. And Boots so Stealth Rock is much less annoying.

[@thomasxl200]

@@ShiningJudgment666 Only gets better with age. Sacred Fire going physical was pretty huge too

[@dinonadoop]

I think Solgaleo will probably keep teleport. Most pokemon lost it because it was a gen 1 TM and you can no longer transfer those moves, but teleport is one of very few moves that Cosmog/Cosmoem learn naturally

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

Classic returning legendaries like Ho-oh and Lugia will finally be available to use in Gen 9.

[@aminelonix]

with the upcoming release of the indigo disk DLC

[@c_f0rce]

​@@aminelonixGen 9 Ubers is about to look completely different

[@telstraRobs5]

@@c_f0rcewith all of these incredible new options to choose from.

[@theschnozzler]

Ok

[@HarryvandeSunweb]

I have used ho-oh quite a bit in natdex ubers, usually tera grass, for some reason that just seems to work. You dont even need tera every game but having that in your back pocket as ho-oh is incredible. Fire/flying is actually quite good if your opponent is not using stealth rock and rock types, and rock types are actually pretty rare in ubers. Edit: after verifying I can confirm that the only rock type in natdex ubers, is arceus rock, wich in my experience is extremely rare to see.

[@EggLemonSoup]

Solgaleo having teleport is actually kinda critical lore lol, it didn't just get it from the gen 8 changes. It had it by level in 7 and 8. No way it loses it in gen 9

[@mgjvd]

Solgaleo will probably have teleport, I’m pretty sure the only Pokémon that lost TP were gen 1 Pokémon because of Let’s Go. Technically they already lost them in gen 8 but smogon allowed home moves, which SV forces out instead of only in online

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Up to Gen 8 movesets didn't change through transfer. In Gen 9 they're reset. Technically since BDSP but that's its own thing.

[@The_Natalist]

Lol, the Phoenix won't die? What a surprise

[@Dragostorm21]

Necrozma lunala finally might have a home in uubers

[@glitch9643]

Meta too hostile for base Necrozma. I agree with Lunala though.

[@Dragostorm21]

@@glitch9643 I meant the fusion between lunala and necrozma. It has almost never seen actual play because outside of ultra necrozma it has the same dex number as the goated dusk mane

[@glitch9643]

@@Dragostorm21 Ah, true. If we get Dawn-Wings back, it would probably be at home in Ubers UU.

[@waterwallets]

You must have forgot about GSC Raikou when you said Suicune has always been the best of the trio

[@jimothycool]

I did forget that Lol.

[@Blanktester685]

id argue raikou still isn't the best.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@Blanktester685 Suicune's been the most consistent I'd argue but Raikou's no slouch.

[@waterwallets]

Suicune definitely better in more gens but in gen 2, Raikou is generally ranked a couple of tiers above Suicune

[@Hammerbruder99]

The reason why Solgaleo has Teleport is Cosmoem's movepool, which consists of Teleport, Cosmic Power and Splash. :D

[@shepardice3775]

Every time I hear "Ubers UU" I marvel at how far Gamefreak has come with power creep that there's a tier above Ubers and a tier of Ubers that are too weak. That's no easy feat

[@diegomedina9637]

It's almost like the number of Pokemon has doubled since the time Competitive pokemon really took off.

[@kamicarrots]

I feel like if Kyreum can deal massive damage to Gliscor it'd be a fantastic choice for an ice type + freeze dry is a plus

[@elessar4864]

Insanity all around

[@evancherpeski1876]

The 3d model for mewtwo is so beautiful ❤

[@Milesprowerthegamer]

Solgaleo will 100% still have Teleport because it's a move learnt by Cosmog. One of Cosmog's only two moves.

[@cowgirltheworld]

I LOVE HO-OH I LOVE HO-OH

[@calook1334]

Hear me out - CB Ho-Oh in VGC

[@dVector13]

ho-oh brothers we are so back

[@subtodicerat8305]

i have waited the whole day for this video. i can say the wait was worth it.

[@marcelomelo9977]

Tera assaul vest Ho-Oh would be some crazy strat

[@thomasxl200]

I'm ready for my stupid fkn choice band Ho-Oh set to break through everything

[@daniellejackson6543]

​@@thomasxl200what tera? Also good luck being worse than choice band koraidon.

[@AI-DreigonGPT]

I don't care if Reshiram sucks at least he is back 😭

[@babagryva5954]

I really want to try gen 9 ubers or uubers, looks very fun, thank you jimothy cool for inspiring me

[@AceAviations2]

I see potential in Entei this time around, maybe not OU, but UU or RU. The thing that makes Dragonite so good possibly applying to Entei as well, Terra-Normal Extreme Speed. Give it a Choice Band, combine it with Flare Blitz (the shiny event Entei), and it could hit quite hard. Plus Terra Blast could be used for coverage if using a different Terra-Type to punish possible counters, Water for rock and ground types, Grass for those and Water types. It could have some potential with this gen's new gimmick.

[@gambleralex5083]

Zekrom has dragon dance which is nice and Will make it stay in ubers

[@zowwycafe]

zekrom will probably have a stallbreaking niche in ubers

[@pberlin9321]

Good vid Jimothy, some mons that you forgot to talk about were Necrozma Dusk Mane and Necrozma Dawn Wings. Dusk Mane was a Top 3 mon in usage last generation and I’m sure that it will have another successful generation. Dawn Wings I’m not as sure about in the Ubers format, but it has always found some levels of success in restricted formats of VGC. Even base Necrozma can find some success in the RU tier, where I’m predicting it to end up.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Dawn Wings is in the hell of being unviable in Ubers but clearly too strong for OU. It's outclassed by Lunala. Dusk Mane is awesome on the other hand.

[@daniellejackson6543]

The set I MIGHT run is Sacred fire Thunder wave Toxic Earthquake/roost/revival blessing if it gets it. RB is the most likely for me to use followed by earthquake but I had to mention the former after roost as it isn't confirmed. In all seriousness I might just use dusk mane as it has stealth rocks or terapagos as it will probably be ultra broken. You are sorta underselling zekrom as it has the potential to be more threatening after set up, although the competition between it is sort of an uphill battle. It is ranked b+ in nat dex ubers but that could just be because miraidon is banned but I heard rayquaza is decent. New addition hone claws can help with scale shot and bolt strike accuracy as long as you can set up efficiently.

[@allieginter8438]

I'm looking forward to Kyurem and Necrozma coming back just because having legendaries that can fuse with other legendaries is cool as hell

[@orangeaurora]

solagleo will absolutely keep teleport since it evolves from cosmog, which iirc has it and splash as its only 2 moves

[@CrimsonGaia]

Think Reshiram might have potential in Ubers UU as a check to magearna

[@demi-femme4821]

"Ho-Oh with Tera" is a ohrase that strikes fear into Arceus' heart.

[@beanburrito4405]

I hope Solgaleo gets tested in OU. That guy doesn’t even look overpowered in standard play. Would probably be high tier like Zama but not crazy

[@speculyn5060]

I think Kyurem is going to get pushed over the edge by Alolatales if it's allowed in OU.

[@jamiewilliams5309]

So many of these Pokémon could have new life put into them with the addition of tera

[@chester1882]

Even if they aren’t good enough to cut it in Ubers - we’ve got Ubers UU now for them to find a place as more defensive pieces in the meta game (Tera Ground/Water Ho-Ho and Lugia) Also - with the power level we have now, Pressure stall is optimistic.

[@IndiraDevi-tq2wq]

Ho oh is going to the elite ubers tier. No way its dropping to uubers unless laddef gets crazy

[@jericho86]

You forgot to mention that Ho-oh benefits from Koraidon's sun.

[@HoChiPro]

Two words: Kyurem snow

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

What about Kyogre? Setting up the rain would cancel out Koraidon's sun, while also providing perfect accuracy for Thunders on Electric Terrain.

[@Brandonutss]

Its already in the game via home

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

@@BrandonutssAh, I was not aware. Thank you.

[@leonardohernandezcabrera7541]

Also tera electric latios y latias with thunderbolt and stored power sounds good.

[@RainbowLizardOne]

I've seen people discussing Solgaleo for OU. I think it might just be too silly in terms of set variety + bulk, but it's giving me pretty strong Zamazenta vibes still.

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

O actually think Zekrom can be cool alongside Miraidon. Mirai invites in special walls that Zekrom can abuse to set up. Zekrom also has Scale Shot and Hone Claws, which will boost its accuracy and guarantee Scale Shot and Bolt Strike to hit, and let me tell you, no one is interested on eating a +1 Terrain Boosted Bolt Strike. Yeah ground types are immune, but then u give Zekrom the chance to go for a likely Loaded Dice Scale Shot with perfect accuracy

[@ellytrabread]

When im in a reintroducing and balancing competition and my opponent is the terastalization gimmick

[@ajko000]

As an older fan, seeing Lugia and Ho-Oh again is going to be a treat. I love them both.

[@bradensmith8682]

Ho-Oh. What Tera Types would be most powerful in Ubers? Fairy, or perhaps Ground(EQ)? Or just go nuts with Tera Flying(Brave Bird)?

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

Tera Ground ftw, You won't getting rocks with it. I love using Tera Ground Ho-oh in Nat Dex Ubers. Very bulky dude

[@melikmourali2072]

Ground and Fairy for sure. The thing is, Fire / Flying is already excellent when paired with a Sun setter because you have no "Special type weakness" besides Electric. If you manage to keep your Boots you will never lose Ho-Oh

[@glitch9643]

Tera Grass if you want a safety net vs non-Taunt Physical Arceus-Ground, Groudon, and Kyogre. Tera Fairy if you want an emergency answer vs SD Scale Shot Koraidon. Tera Ground if you want to play mind games with cocky Miraidon/Zekrom, works well with Earthquake too.

[@reshi-chat6998]

I wonder if raikou and suicune will still have scald because even if there is the TM, some pokemon lost it, but it will be weird that raikou got scald in gen 8 only, and only him learning it will be even weirder.

[@sthui2866]

Wasn't physical ice STAB in icicle spear the other reason it was banned? It is 100% going to be banned if bax is anything

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Dragon Dance too.

[@DCBiscuit]

1:57 The fact that even with Tera, Entei is probably gonna be weak as hell again is just so damn unfortunate. Like, I think it could see some proper use since that mono fire typing is what has held it back before but it’s just sad that 115 ATK/SPE is par for the course in Gen 9.

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

I think Tera Electric Latios with Specs will be awesome

[@senny-]

Zekrom as a top tier mon in Ubers last gen. I feel like it'll actually compete with Miraidon. But I'm probably wrong.

[@YosiahW]

Pls talk about Rayquaza next? I just transfered over my shiny Rayquaza from Pokémon GO and I'm hoping that it will be good since it's usually outshines by Kyogre and Groudon.

[@reavershank8985]

Hear me out: revival blessing Ho-Oh. It is a phoenix after all

[@nigeltimothycruz244]

Personally, I could see Zekrom making a nasty core with Koraidon. Korai can beat Ting-Lu for it, and both of them can wear down Arceus-Fairy and Groudon with one another, especially in conjunction with Zacian further adding pressure. Zekrom also has an ability that ignores unaware, meaning it poses a direct threat to Dondozo/Skeledirge balances. With a dragon dance and some boosting item, you could definitely OHKO Skeledirge or force it to Terastalize, or take advantage of Koraidon/Zacian doing that for you. Granted, the same can apply for Miraidon, but I do think Zekrom will have a decent niche as a partner to the most prominent physical threats in the meta since the things that wall it are mons Korai/Zacian can beat, while it can take on the walls that trouble them. I'm personally thinking something like Tera Flying Sub + DD with 2 attacks could work but who knows.

[@williamjewell6247]

I think it would be really funny (and possibly not overpowered) if Solgaleo was tested for OU. It's got good stats, yes, and a decent typing and good ability, but it's weak to dark, ghost, and ground, and has a poor offensive typing and no recovery. Would be a great bulky attacker with that meaty attack stat and nice bulk, it's not that fast, and gets checked by kingambit and dragapult. Would be fun to see.

[@caserr]

I think kyurem is honestly not as oppressive as baxcalibur, as far as the comparisons between the 2 go (I think it still gets banned, however) but the fact that Bax had SD and scale shot and the ice body in snow made it tough. Kyurem only gets a +1 with DD, 15 less base ATK, and no passive recovery

[@jman2050]

Ho-oh is finally ready to embrace his true calling, that being an Annoying Bulky Water

[@Andreecals]

I can see great stuff happening if zekron gets scale shot, tho

[@sythrus]

Kyurem black is going to be nightmarish with loaded dice. Forget it having an unreliable ice stab, its about to be able to consistently hit base 100 power ice type moves, and tera electric tera blast will make it an actual problem

[@glitch9643]

Ho-Oh returning is huge. Basically a catch-all wall that isn't as passive as Toxapex or Dondozo. The only issue I see is if it loses Defog and/or Toxic without any compensation. There's also the risk of letting Miraidon in for free. Nevertheless, this is Ho-Oh we're talking about, a Pokemon who will switch-in on some of the most powerful Pokemon like Eternatus, Flutter Mane, Koraidon, Swords/Dragon Dance and Calm Mind Arceus formes lacking Taunt while compressing roles and also being good at other matchups. It will change the metagame in many ways. Threats like Physical DD/SD Arceus-Ground, Zacian-C, and Calm Mind Arceus Formes would now be forced to run Stone Edge, Wild Charge, and Taunt, respectively, else be hopelessly walled. This is all just speculation though. I'm looking forward to see the changes that Ho-Oh will bring to this metagame. I'm sure it would be a welcome addition. Nothing else seems impactful in a roundabout way at the moment; unless of course we get Necrozma-Dusk-Mane back or if Lugia gets to keep its arsenal. In the end, only time will tell.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

how can they buff reshiram?