Gen3 HEMI Camshaft Tips and Installation Instruction by MMX / ModernMuscleXtreme.com

[@daveharris1549]

I would love it if you guys did a full 5.7 build from start to finish. This is a great video and you explain everything perfectly.

[@duanebonney]

May I suggest for him to use a Lapel microphone? It'll make a huge difference with future videos.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Duane Bonney thanks we have in newer videos

[@mountaineer-tapers]

This company is a huge help. I purchased my parts from them and there videos helped me do the work right. Thanks, and your sticker is on my back glass with pride

[@hemimadman6739]

Thanks Byron, for making these videos, they've helped me out alot in the cam assemblies of my Charger R/T & Ram, keep up the good work 👍👍👍

[@richardgarris9305]

Yall should do a video on the correct way to install new camshaft bearings as well.

[@IcarusTECH]

Smiley face on the cam bolt is always a good finishing touch :) Thanks for the video!

[@possumpopper89]

When I used a tuner to delete the MDS shutoff in the computer, I gained 1.8 MPG in my ram truck. I am planning to install a cam shaft soon.

[@alleyxxcat]

GREAT VIDEO! Very well explained and great supportive pictures, especially of using the paint stick to mark the places on the phazer gear, that was very helpful. To those of you who couldn't hear it very well, I know what you refer to. Go to your 'sound' equalizer and turn the bass down and the treble up and you'll hear him much better.

[@Floydf0st3r]

Building a 392 to replace my 5.7 in 2017 dodge charger Daytona. Your videos are great and very informative 🤙🏿🤙🏿🤙🏿🤙🏿🤙🏿

[@seriouzfilmz9397]

I had faith in doing this by myself until about 30minutes in :( I respect anyone who can do this.

[@AlchemistHawk]

You can still do it.

[@DanielJohnson-ec8rk]

Anyone can do it

[@jh57220]

Hey Byron, I'm pretty sure the oil pump and timing chain guide assembly off as well....If I'm not mistaken, the timing chain guide retains the camshaft.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Jason Hartin not on VVT

[@dennisdozaii1984]

This video repeats a lot of things and misses a bunch of others that are important. Also it's not very much help for someone trying to replace a cam while the engine is still in the car. You guys should re-do this video and make it better. Include things like which bolts on the timing cover and water pump need to come out and which ones can stay, how to get clearance in front of the engine to be able to get the cam in and out of the engine and how to pick the right pushrods, to make sure they are seated in the lifters, etc.

[@nikkirambo]

Excellent video you lost me one you started verifying the cam angle, but I’ll read more about it. Thank you!

[@keayremoore]

Yea me to I gotta do a lil more research on how to do that

[@marioavila1559]

@@keayremoore me 3

[@tedsaylor6016]

You may want to put grease on the contact face of that cam bolt, ARP supplies such grease (and explains how/why to apply it) with their HEMI flywheel bolt kit. Without grease alot of that 90 ft/lb is used to overcome bolt to phaser friction.

[@jc-xo8yd]

arp scammers

[@mikelentino3675]

Good informative video,sound needs to be addressed.And yet another example of INCORRECT torque wrench usage.He overtorqued every single bolt.Once a TW releases that is the preset torque desired.Don't believe me-okay. Torque a bolt down and double or triple click it.Then using the TW at the original preset and try to loosen the bolt.Do it slowly and the TW will release w/o loosening the bolt.Keep increasing preset until bolt breaks free and that will be the final torque.I only have 50 yrs experience as an Aircraft mechanic

[@duanebonney]

Perfect timing. My mechanic will we installing my Custom MMX cam soon. Thanks for this.

[@brokensmile8487]

This definitely clears some things up for me! I couldn't for the life of me get exactly 6 and 12 o'clock on my timing. Either the cam is slightly off or the crank. When my cam is dead 12 with TDC, my crank is a little off 6. I appreciate you touching bass on this because I couldn't get a straight answer anywhere else. You're the man. 🤙 By the way, I have a gen 4 so it is obviously the same process.

[@dariusstcyr]

Wgat did you have to do to get it lined up because I’m having that problem now, when I’m at tdc my crank mark isn’t exactly at 6, and my cam mark is on 12 but when my crank mark is at 6 then I’m not at tdc and my cam mark is slightly off

[@brokensmile8487]

@@dariusstcyr line your cam at 12. That's all that matters. Your crank will be at about 5:45. 👍

[@dariusstcyr]

@@brokensmile8487 perfect! it started right up this morning. your comment was a big help! thank you

[@brokensmile8487]

@@dariusstcyr no problem man. I couldn't never find that very same info but I knew you must have the cam lined up at 12... that's a must. So I basically lined up the cam and hope for the best on the crank timing. My ram has been a beast every since. Glad I could help bro.

[@MrCraig-bk7bx]

@@brokensmile8487 He specifically touches on this point at 27:50 MARk. Crank will be at 5 oclock..5:45 some say. Not at a perfect 6oclock.

[@ReeceM69]

Saving up for heads and cam, can’t wait

[@SteveP-vm1uc]

Handicapped vet with constant ringing in my ears, here. I would love to watch your video, but the sound is giving me a migraine. I know others must be complaining about it as well, sorry to add to that, but if you make a new video with you speaking over the video I'd love to watch it. Thanks for your effort!!

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Steve 1961P. We have upgrade sound equipment but not time to redo the video

[@danrees1232]

This was an ok video, I found the sound was hard to hear and the camera could zoom in on the motor just a little bit more making it easier to see helps. But pretty good compared to some of these other videos!

[@willieshoemaker8680]

cool video thanks for taking to time to do it... I will be buying my cam from you guys.

[@jettech1041]

Great job on putting out this video. Very few Hemi Gen 3 videos out from trustworthy sources!! And definitely get a label mike for future videos.😎

[@willbar1961]

Step one, blow a lot of dough. Step two, tear engine apart.

[@m.a.p.4hp737]

Hello. Doesn't locking the crank and torquing the cam bolt put a ton of pressure on the tensioner? Thanks for the video.

[@tanamaraqueen2906]

Im doing this myself because theone time I get a mechanic to help he messes my truck up more than it was before so can I take out the old camshaft and just clean it and put it back in to retime the chain and what happens if the camshaft doesnt turn freely what does that mean? Because the truck wasnt having any issues with tining or camshaft until I had a mechanic help me change the oil pump and he only took the tensioner off the timing chain nothing else and now it's out of time according to codes and now I have to do it myself and I broke it all down and in other videos it shows ppl just freely turning the camshaft pulley thing and bottom part the oil pump slides on to but mine won't turn to retime and I'm not trying to break anything

[@Senski11]

I had 2012 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 5.7Hemi, i deleted the MDS sensor, then i changed all lifters to non MDS lifter, and i have a flash tuner to delete the MDS, but i used the stock camshaft is there any future problem because i didn’t change the stock camshaft to non mds camshaft? Thanks for your reply i appreciate.

[@ryanprettyman3123]

Your the Man, Byron!

[@ericsotosoto379]

IT WOULD BE NICE TO TAKE AN 06 TO 06 CHARGER/CHALENGER/ 300 5.7 AND DO A PERFORMANCE MOD VIDIO, CAM, INTAKE HEADS ETC.....

[@k1ng0fk1ngsromelo6]

I know this is old but what do you know there’s a mark on the lower gear as well and two of your links are different to line back up on the lower gear and then all you would’ve had to do is put the top gear back straight up and down anyways great video

[@ryanprettyman3123]

Do you have a link for the scotch brite pads you recommend cleaning the camshaft with?

[@donaldbetts6480]

Is it possble to eliminate the phaser altogether and just get a solid gear to replace it with? I want to delete mine but the concept of a phaser lock seems sort of hackish to me. Also, shouldn't you replace the cam bearings when installing a new camshaft??

[@davestewart9146]

Great video, thank you for your time 👍😁

[@emnauelcruz8739]

Thank you for your time but yea definitely man I’m falling sleep with the sound of this video

[@tanamaraqueen2906]

Ok but can you do this with the engine in the truck or car and if so aside from removing the timing cover is there anything else you must remove on top the engine or no

[@mo.ali7]

Valuable info and instructions vid. Thanks

[@mikelowry7480]

1st gen SRT-8 chargers (6.1 hemi) also did not get MDS. Not sure about the jeeps or challengers, but afaik, no 6.1 had mds.

[@byronwalker3606]

All 6.1's did not have MDS. Including WK1 Jeeps

[@05bbs2kT]

Do you guys have a torque spec/checklist for all the associated engine bolts when doing a camshaft?

[@mikerobles5454]

You forgot to tighten the limiter bolt!

[@marcflamer7846]

Dumb question when you guys ship cam kits do they include directions for home install assuming you have the tools and know how. Or is this something that you want your customer to take to a shop?

[@brentosterkamp80]

On my hemi the roller must have shattered. When I pulled the valve out there was no roller on the lifter. Would the roller pieces have fallen into the oil pan or is the engine done for? Thanks

[@tt-rs1457]

How will you hold the camshaft, when tighten the Campully-Srew, when the engine is installed ? And is the force putting to the little chain not too much ?

[@josedeleon1573]

I was gonna ask the same. 👍.

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

great video ....what do you think of using melling hellcat lifters..?..

[@Srt8Pharoah]

YOU USE WHAT TO CLEAN THE CAM ?

[@anthonysalas6258]

I have a 2007 ram 1500 hemi just got timing chain water pump and oil pump done now my truck boggs at 65 to 70 mph and has high 3000 rpm

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Anthony Salas possible timing chain installed improperly

[@Funkyourdauter]

just put my new cam in yesterday and lifters and my cam was ground down on cylinder 1

[@digitalme4404]

Hey Byron, the Haynes manual says Camshaft thrust plate bolts 21 foot pounds for the V8. Which one is it?

[@edcox9136]

This microphone is really bad it sounds like he's talking at the back of a hallway

[@misrainmikegarciarosariojr7914]

Why not install a cam sprocket without the phaser if you want to get rid of the mds? If would have less parasitic drag on the rotating assembly,quicker acceleration.

[@derbycityracing2997]

Would a nsr cam or a springs cam be better for power and more a daily driver. Currently have a 2013 5.7 charger only modes are long tube headers

[@lamontthompson4426]

Thanks for the info 👍 where are you located so you can take care of my 2017 ram 5.7 liter hemi engine im starting to hear a tick how much you charge

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Thank you for watching, Lamont! We are located at 340 Colonel Lee Road in Martinsville, VA. To find out more about pricing, please contact one of our sales reps at [phone] (extension 109 will get you directly to Tony or extension 110 will get you to Robert).

[@edquinn7135]

So if one click on the torque wrench is good two clicks is better?

[@m2hbvicvic87]

Questions for you guys at MMP. WHY do the roller bearings in the MDS lifters seize up in the first place??? What causes this to happen??? Is there a proven and guaranteed definite fix to prevent this from ever happening again??? Is the valve train in the 5.7 Hemi engine a poor design to begin with???

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

m2hbvic Vic It is my opinion it is more about valve train harmonics than oiling

[@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304]

I have a2004 ram without mds. What's the best bang for the buck cam kit that will still allow me to have a good towing rig.

[@Exertiions]

Can I ask why the oil pump was removed afterwards? I’m trying to install a drop in cam.

[@shane3068]

Any videos or pictures where the crankshaft timing mark will be? Is it exactly the 5 o'clock position or between 6 and 5 im having trouble getting my rt in time

[@josedeleon1573]

How is cam held when tightening bolt if engine still in vehicle?? Also cam tool is cool but cant be used if engine still in vehicle, or can it if grille removed?.. awesome video..

[@digitalme4404]

you can put the balancer on and put a socket wrench tip in one of the hole and turn it until it contacts the support beam below, the crank away

[@victorgracia4754]

Do i have to change the turbine in my hemi 5.7 ram 2013 if i install a stage 2 cam?

[@70stunes71]

Great tech info honestly thx. Next, get some great tech info on sound mic. quality . really .

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Craig Adams we have gotten all new sound equipment for future videos👍

[@samsonbreed6049]

Wish the audio was better 😔

[@countrycalvin]

The captioning doesn't help either lol

[@bankai497]

I was told that all 6.1 Hemi engines do not have MDS, is that right?

[@MrDeezyskillets]

Does the cam phaser only go on one way? Is there a certain grove or peg that lines up?

[@granite345rt6]

So can you just get the non mds cam and keep the same mds lifters?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Granite 345 R/T no it is a halff set and only if there is not damage

[@danielalcaraz2753]

Hello guys we have recently replaced the mds stock cam with a stock mds cam on a 2011 durango with hemi had a stuck lifter roller in cylinder 3 eating into the cam. We have done everything to the T like the videos show but now it wont start just turn over and sounds like it wants to but won't so frustrating any ideas guys please help thanks in advance.

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

Thanks for the video. Can you delete MDS without changing the cam?

[@castlehouse2275]

No

[@StreetMoneyLA]

Those torque sequence you are using are for stock bolts rights ?

[@jefffavinger9030]

Thank you!!

[@goldgitter3548]

do no shortcuts and use all parts he suggested and you will be pleased with the results. I just completed this job and have more confidence in my engine than the factory setup.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

pat mccormick thank you

[@unknowntraveler8087]

Hello I was wondering do you need to take the heads off of a pre-assembled motor to install an aftermarket cam? I'm only asking because I plan on buying a Hemi out of a totaled Challenger or charger & I want to put a Lopey idle cam in the motor so I was hoping I didn't have to completely disassemble the motor to install the cam and MDS delete kit.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Unknown Traveler yes to change lifters

[@douglasfamily8937]

i have a question, i recently purchased the MDS delete kit with camshaft, oil pump etc. my question is being my car is a 09 dodge charger SE hemi 5.7l do i need to get the vvt stroker ring for crankshaft gear install or being that it is a VVT engine does already have that vvt stroker ring.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Andrew Douglas only if using aftermarket or a 6.1 crank

[@tailsdragon4447]

Does the MDS system affect the 4.7 L engine in the same manner that you just described at the beginning of this video because I'm having problems with mine and I'm getting a weird idle and misfire codes if that's the case this video help me solve a problem in my vehicle that I didn't know it was related to this

[@LtRiflez]

4.7 was before MDS. Only affects 5.7 Hemis 2009+

[@olivier38536]

What's the part # for the crankshaft turning tool?

[@mattcarafa210]

Where is your shop located?

[@StreetMoneyLA]

If I don't have a degreeing tool Would just spinning it an making sure the timing lines line back up Be okay ?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Lalo Grove marks will not line up after rotation. Degree cam is best method but if not follow a factory install procedure.

[@ZomBeatBrainZ]

Strange my 2012 ram the timing marks are at 12 & 6, not 12 & 5.

[@darrininverarity4297]

Iam pretty sure the metal shavings go inyo the sump and are filtered out.

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

i have a 07 charger and looking at a 07 hemi out of a truck to put in my charger ..will my car harrness plug into the truck hemi..?...thanks

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

john smith you can use the truck engine as a long block but

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

john smith will need to transfer all covers snd sensors

[@trouble30906]

Dude is like..listen you idiots..this crap isn’t brain surgery. Clean the holes out locktite and torque 🤣

[@virginiamoutrey3850]

has anyone ever installed a preoiler on this engine? might stop the problems.

[@Desmondv221]

Im currently looking for a mechanic/shop this knowledgeable in the Los Angeles area who can do my cam for my 392 challenger.

[@jmbdieselchannelbaker9644]

628 lift cam for 5.7 226 228 comp cams

[@turbofreek]

does the non tensioner side have slop in it after installed? that just dont see right to me and my timing marks lined up at exact tdc.

[@byronwalker3606]

It does not have slop in it. The tensioner takes away all of this slack

[@raymondherbert3960]

IF YOUR GOING TO ADDRESS THE CAM YOU BETTER TELL THEM TO REPLACE THE OIL PUMP WITH A HIGH PERFORMANCE ONE.

[@vinrod4]

Soooo... what has this got to do with marble machines?

[@ThadmanKane]

A chore to listen to the audio but highly informative.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

T Rock sorry for the audio We have new equipment

[@drunkenmaster8511]

can you install a mds delet kit and keep the stock cam still? or do you need to install a after market cam with it?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Ruthlesseclipse it requires a non MDS cam but does not have to be perf cam

[@kain383]

I have a 2017 jeep grand cherokee with the 5.7 what came would you recommend for it?

[@byronwalker3606]

www.modernmusclextreme.com/p-134-57l-hemi-vvt-custom-grind-performance-camshaft.aspx We would grind you something custom for the heavier vehicle.

[@pkranz937]

You don't need a new cam for a '17. Starting in mid - 2016, Melling began supplying reengineered lifters and a hardened cam for the 5.7 and 6 4 V8s. Squad cars also got slightly softer valve springs. These changes seem to have solved the old valvetrain failures.

[@Stop_the_cap311]

Am super confused with the timing.. would I have to do all that if I just want to replace my cam with a 392 cam. I have the hemi 5.7 in my 2014 chrysler 300

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Jorge Macedo what are you confused about FYI there are better cam choices

[@ticocastillo1796]

Jorge did you find your answer? Was looking to do the same

[@sirob584]

@@ModernMuscleXtreme I picked up a stage 4 Texas speed cam. I bought the same size pushrods as stock. I haven’t installed it yet due to the fear of them being too short or too long. How do I go about finding out if these will work fine?

[@customhemi3924]

@11:40 you said to use a 5 gallon bucket filled with half water and half what?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Dawn Dish Soap

[@anoint426hemi6]

What brand lifters do you recommend? I just bought a Howard's 520 lift mds cam. You see a problem using Enginetech lifters or should I use Johnson's or maybe Hellcat lifters? It's a 2007 5.7 Ram.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Anoint426 Hemi we only use Hellcat in all our builds

[@anoint426hemi6]

@@ModernMuscleXtreme thanks

[@danteblack9873]

Great info in videos appreciate it. A mic would greatly improve your vids just a suggestion. Keep up the great content

[@1188dale]

How much do you charge to reach for us in a short block motor

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Speed Freak email shop from website for a price

[@Floydf0st3r]

Someone is selling a mmx custom cam. Is it possible to get information about it before buying

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Yes email me at [e-mail] and I can get you the details if it is one of our camshafts.

[@jasonfreeborough1310]

My 2015 ram 1500 keeps getting a error code of a cyclinder 4 misfire, and on rare occasion multiple cyclinder misfires. I've changed all plugs, checked coils to see if there faulty, those haven't fixed the problem. Any ideas of what I should check next before I ha e ro get someone to RIP the engine apart to find if its internal?

[@colebean1426]

Pull your valve cover make sure the pushrod is still on rocket and is moving properly. I had the same problem! If that all works well like supposed to look into the computer Ebay has them with lifetime warranty from a company in florida comes preprogrammed to your key! Nice service great quality I've bought 2 from this company 2 different dodge vehicles

[@anthonyjoyner4069]

the hemi has a flaw in the older engines, i think up 12 or 13. roller on lifter locks up and wipes out the cam. im dealing with this now. misfire on number 4. pull the valve cover and see if rocker and pushrod are moving, if not its the lifter and cam.

[@byronwalker3606]

Are you getting a ticking sound from the engine at idle?

[@jasonfreeborough1310]

@@byronwalker3606 I've stuck my head in the wheel well to try and hear ticking, but it all sounds like regular operational sounds to me

[@carltonlewis337]

Mine sounded regular, even drove fine lol once I got the p0305 code I took it apart & sure enough ... damn seized lifter

[@StreetMoneyLA]

My timming chain broke I can just follow this process to replace the old one right ?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Lalo Grove you repair your heads too?

[@StreetMoneyLA]

Modern Muscle Performance / ModernMuscleXtreme.com yes I’m doing new springs valve seal guides an valves for intake an exhaust An getting them ported

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Lalo Grove ok If you need further help let us know

[@StreetMoneyLA]

Sure will thanks

[@cgirl111]

I'm completely positive that the hemi lifter failures have nothing to do with mds. Way too many owners of deleted or never had mds systems have had lifter failures that ate the cam. The problem is cheap "lowest bidder" lifters. If you are over 50k miles and intend on keeping your hemi I highly suggest investing in high quality lifters now.

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

cgirl111 Mopar had a run of lifters made from about 2011 to 2016 with a smaller roller bearing. It seems these are the worst with failures mds or not. Thanks

[@VW69Baja]

Any advice on reinstalling the harmonic balancer?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

VW69Baja we have an installer And we use a hot plate to heat balancer to help Use a press lube

[@digitalme4404]

tap in the balancer until about the 5th or 6 thread, then wrench it the rest of the way.

[@chiragsomaraj5121]

Ls engine uses timing belt and this hemi uses chain?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

LS engines use a chain

[@carylewis28]

Dear god please geta wireless mic

[@merlekescoli1775]

Can I delete MDS thru a tuner 2017 dodge ram

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

Merle Kescoli only activation

[@ilerodriguez4427]

I have a question. So if I’m installing a oem 392 cam that came out of a scat pack that had mds do I have to delete my mds?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

No it needs to stay functional and use MDS lifters

[@ilerodriguez4427]

Modern Muscle Performance / ModernMuscleXtreme.com ok great because next week I’m dropping my transmission and engine with engine cradle but since I’m doing that should I replace lifters, lifting rods, and oil pump since it’s all coming out?

[@ModernMuscleXtreme]

If you use non mds lifters You need a cam

[@ilerodriguez4427]

Modern Muscle Performance / ModernMuscleXtreme.com I’m going to be using a 392 oem cam that came out of a car with mds so you said I need to keep the mds lifters so I was then asking if I should replace the old mds lifters with new mds lifters