Genesis 9 was LEGENDARY | Tweek Talks Episode 85

[@lokks2130]

Haz: "Nobody beats Marss six times in a row!" Tweek: 😕

[@CameramanI88]

Tweek is such a humble guy, he could have brought it up and mentioned that he’s also done it. Instead he brought it up and only _heavily implied_ that he’s also done it

[@lokks2130]

😂😂😂

[@itscoolthough419]

@@CameramanI88 He probably just forgot tbh lmao

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

I think one of the things Steve and Kazuya don’t get credit for is actually UPING the gameplay of these top players beyond imagination. I feel like those who win verse both of them have improved their neutral, punish game, and positioning EXPONENTIALLY in order to compensate for the power that those characters hold, and it’s amazing

[@edelgard4486]

Not to mention improving their mental LOL

[@KevSB07]

This is very true, but I think the damage done to the community overall is greater, considering how much these characters affect lower and mid levels of play.

[@three2semicolon]

​@@KevSB07 nah, they're hard enough to play effectively that i think they're actually somewhat healthy for even smaller local scenes. everybody wants to beat them, not many want to play them

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@three2semicolon Good joke. They are not hard to play. They are super easy to play and they only have high skill ceiling, which means, with all the tools the character have you can even do more crazy shit. Steve is one notorios example of being a character that is hyper easy to use but has so much room to learn more stuff thanks to blocks set ups. Kazuya only difficulty is electric fist. The rest is just a carry character.

[@raaseraphic]

@@Yokai_Yuri play and win then

[@MasterAbeer101]

Even though Tweek didn't win Genesis I am still happy that you were able to break the Genesis Curse and make it to top 8. Huge props to Muteace for being the player of the event cause he played out of his fucking MIND! Can't wait to see more of him in Summit :) and obviously congrats to Leo for taking another Genesis, his 5th one!

[@thesaxiest4480]

The Chrom counterpick by Leon was super interesting. The way I see it, Chrom actually finds closer to even footing with the rest of the cast in the Kazuya matchup, because while chrom can randomly die in almost every matchup, everyone can randomly die in the Kazuya matchup, so at that point, why not trade Lucina for Chrom who also has much more extreme strengths such as a really insane combo game of his own and even more insane frame date than Lucina? It seems like a really good pick when you think about it that way.

[@20quidd]

Yo ur up to something

[@CruelSunSsb]

true, having a character that is literally roy but with the range to space moves and almost the same kill power makes it an amazing counterpick to kazuya

[@KevSB07]

I haven’t been able to find the Leon Riddles set but I could’ve sworn Kazuya’s edgeguard on Chrom’s up b with downsmash would be a huge deal

[@extonjonas6820]

He used chrom?I thought maybe he saw the Leo set and was like yeah I can do that but he just used chrom?

[@Lerkero]

Chrom has those base roster 0-death gimmicks

[@Nefaliss]

Genesis9 was full of so many great sets, stories and moments. - Leo back on the Joker and Winning as expected from Mr.Genesis. Even pulled out the secret ROB! - MuteAce carrying over what Samsora left with through a Top Tier Peach, beating EVERYONE and ending on a Top 2 Finish - Tweek breaking his Genesis Top 8 and AT LEAST making it through - Marss nearly making it through but unfor Lylat was NOT the pick (why was Lylat even allowed?!) - Gluto surmounting expectations. Beating Tweek and ALMOST beating Sonix too - Kurama joined KCorp. Which is unexpected but great to see them involved in Smash - Sonix getting a taste of his own medicine by getting timed out by the GOAT - But Sonix at least got to beat Sparg0's Aegiss which was a huge wall for him for so long - Sparg0 dissmantled Acola and might lead to Acola either hard adapting or taking a secondary - And most importantly....ESAM IS BALD!!!

[@hakirayleigh]

Lylat was chosen for avoiding Hollow Bastion copyright issues

[@sethdavis3046]

I think the lylat pick actually made a huge difference in Game 5 of Spargo v Light too. Sparg0 did not look comfortable moving on that stage

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@hakirayleigh please elaborate. What copyright?

[@Blue24675]

@@Yokai_Yuri I’m pretty sure the stage music for hollow bastion is copyrighted so they can’t stream it.

[@aegishdaego]

ESAM IS BALD ?!

[@DeRez19]

MKLeo as THANOS is something I will never be able to forget. What a legend. He done snapped his opponents away, just like a Joker side B.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

I think it is because Leo is inevitable. He is such a force of nature in this game. This year Leo will be Smash ult 1# player for the 4th year.

[@itscoolthough419]

@@Yokai_Yuri tbh that to me is more impressive than Zero's win streak.

[@joshuaridley48]

Even though Leo might not be 1st or 2nd at every tournament he's still definitely going to have the best placements overall at every Major he attends. That's what makes him, or anyone, the undisputed best in the world. He was in December, he was at Summit and he still is right Now.

[@CopyNPasteComments]

MK Leo joker is that early game antagonist that comes back at the end to team up with the main character against the final boss

[@mrjollyguy25]

Could also be the main character or the final boss himself 🤣

[@PhenylSSBU]

Bro muteace was so inspirational, he’s making ultimate so hype and hopefully he can be consistent enough to be the top 10 player he should be.

[@Keystone762]

Ik, I love seeing peach reclaim her thrown. Better than block man and demon man

[@yawns3004]

Those platform nair extensions were insane! Never seen peach doing platform setups like that

[@eddio9466]

nice to see samsora back in shape

[@zBryan-mq9nl]

@@eddio9466 Oh the memories

[@itscoolthough419]

fr im not particularly a fan of peach but I like the imposing presence of a good peach.

[@Xearrik]

My theory is that MKLeo never runs out of gas because he's always on autopilot until game 4 XD

[@g3nj1]

Seems that way.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

and yet still downloading the whole time

[@SamuelMcLeod]

Playing Tweek at Genesis in bracket was some of the most fun I've ever had in a tournament. He is fucking insane

[@KevSB07]

3rd best player in Mexico Best player in Japan Best player in Europe Best player in America Best player in Mexico Mute's hit list this tournament is insane, and that's even ignoring player and character mu's

[@Spyder-Marth]

True. I can't wait to see him go further! I'd like to battle him one day.

[@g3nj1]

True. Mute KILLED it. Leo just adapted well, and THAT'S what makes him the best. The ability to change his gameplan to a winning one so quickly.

[@crew_the3rd]

Who's the 2nd best player in Mexico if not Spargo? Chag? Bigboss? Miaster?

[@KevSB07]

@@crew_the3rd huh

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@g3nj1 Well, leo is also the only one who got a rematch against mute during this tournament.

[@Michael-cg5qn]

I wish this was mentioned in the Tweek talks but the European side of smash Twitter was extremely happy when riddles lost since that meant Gluto did not have to lose to Kazuya once again

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Many people were delighted to see Riddles lose. No one wants to play vs Kazuya. That's just an unhealthy character for the game. Even if you beat him, the mental stress is twice as much

[@Spyder-Marth]

@@Yokai_Yuri Nah fam. I face Kazuya mains on a regular basis and I never sweat it, even in bracket. If you're stressing out during the match, you need to work on your mentality. Speaking from experience: if you stress you are far more likely to lose. I've seen it happen so much to different players (including top players). Those who stay calm have a huge upper hand. After facing a lot of Kazuya mains, I realized that he is very predictable if you are at a high percent. Out of all characters, making a comeback against Kazuya is kind of easy. You know he's gonna try to grab or stun you at high percents, so going bait and punish mode helps a lot. Took down many Kazuyas at a deficit because of this. Even predicted a lot of Riddles' movements versus other players, too. May have to go to some more tournaments myself. It's been a while.

[@Michael-cg5qn]

@@Spyder-Marth which character do you play?

[@calivali2876]

@@Spyder-Marth trash Kazuya mains are nowhere near as good as Pro Kazuya mains. Who have you played is a more important question? What’s your smash gg name? I’ll look for yoy

[@jayzwrld_]

@@Spyder-Marth now are these kazuyas zero deathing every stock like riddles? Probably not

[@morsalsa]

In ultimate's lifespan theres only been 11 people to double eliminate leo in bracket, those being: Samsora Shuton Ken Glutonmy ESAM Tweek Marss Larry Lurr Proto Chag Only two have done it twice, those being marss and tweek. The first ever player to double eliminate Leo in bracket was Marss at MSM 176

[@greedo194]

Larry is special because he double eliminated leo and proceeded to not win the event

[@jayzwrld_]

@@greedo194 only Larry could do this

[@PLAY-oe1nn]

@@jayzwrld_ lmao

[@playboybrendo103]

Great performance at G9, you broke the Top 8 curse . Don’t let that Light set get to you, it just was in his favor this time

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

The gluttony set went worse tbh

[@adamquenano8563]

“I am inevitable” MKLEO 2000-2023

[@fupalover]

I'm glad Pink was the only one to realize Leos Byleth is slipping. People are doing well vs his Byleth cause Leo isn't playing Byleth like he normally does or in this case did.

[@soggyramen6031]

His byleth’s movement just seemed slow compared to his other characters (playing byleth fast is actually really hard because of their movement speed and positioning focus)

[@fupalover]

@Soggy Ramen It's more than that. The main reason his Byleth was Godlike is that Leo took their main weakness (their movement) and turned it into the strongest element of his Byleth. Leos Byleth was so methodical. They way he conditioned his opponents. He has always used alot of Nair but its how you use it that matters most. Before he found ways to incorporate Byleths nair and create opportunities from his movement. Now he is relying on Byleths nair and fair to do that without the methodical playstyle he had. Which is why he's using it 3-4 times on his opponent even when they shield. He's going for less grabs. Using fair and nair to control and create his opportunities is what is leading to him getting punished. He doesn't even get up b connections anymore. He doesn't break shields anymore. Hasnt gotten any hard reads he used to get from how he conditioned his opponent. He's starting not to get the mk layup anymore. Because he's changed the way he plays Byleth. Look at how he played at G8 or even Luds. Compare it to how he played Byleth at SWT and G9. 2 very different Byleths. At first i thought his Byleth was off at SWT cause he was high now it's clear he just plays them differently. I guess cause he's putting alot more time into Joker.

[@robertduffin1]

FUN FACT: Larry Lurr is the ONLY player to double eliminate Leo from a tournament… and not place 1st 💀

[@sladedari8595]

Invitational + Playing Corrin

[@Fpl8646]

Tier D Invitational

[@robertduffin1]

The fact remains

[@cooperm4185]

@@sladedari8595 that Corrin beat Spargo lol

[@benjaminma1788]

Rare Larry W

[@lilpac05]

IMO I feel like Kuramas Ludwig run and mutes genesis 9 run was equally as impressive. Both had bracket demons but the fact that Kurama qualified through LCQ and dominated the way he did was just unprecedented. Mute did beat the goat one set so I understand if some feels that tips the scale but I was equally impressed with both runs.

[@SadFace229]

I have to rewatch the sets, I mostly spectate the game and have never been to a tournament so you guys gotta spoonfeed me here; what's the beef and animosity against the Lylat stage? I remember someone commenting Lylat was a galaxy brain pick by Light to get the win on Spargo since it messed up Cloud's Bairs with the slanted ledges. How big of a problem is this in choosing stages? Is this why we don't see stages like Yoshi's Island? And I see Charles makes a great point about redundancy; if you have multiple battlefield like setups, you weaken the effectiveness of your stage ban options if you play a matchup where the triple platforms are not going to be in your favor. I'd be curious if anyone could direct me to the discussions on how tournies compose their stage list so I can understand why I, a spectator with zero stake in the competition, have to put up with the hit or miss music choices of Pokemon Stadium or Animal Crossing's borefest of an OST (though KK Bubblegum is fine).

[@Pj_901]

I said this before but “ FP2 results are going to reach a halt soon” because people have really started to overcome them. The community as a whole really worked hard to find counterplay and you can even see people overcome their demons like kola for example. I think people like riddles who solo mained FP2 will switch off soon due to how people are starting to really cracked down on them. More people know how to fight kazuya then yoshi or duck hunt

[@Keystone762]

That’s how u get a toon link and yoshi winning majors in melee in 2022&2023

[@MerryBlind]

@@Keystone762Actually you get a Toon Link to win a major in Melee with mods.

[@CruelSunSsb]

I hope riddles keep kazuya as secondary an focus more on terry, we'ce seen he's capable of getting good results with him and almost won CEO, I feel kazuya is gonna start to fall off this year...

[@THGnat]

People switching off is a little hopeful but sets are going to be a lot different

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Wait what? Kola lost to a FP2 player.

[@JonnyJayKhan]

The interesting thing I found about watching Leo is that he really doesn't seem to prepare for particular match ups in advance, he starts of unsure and learns in real time. For instance he just wasn't able to combo Peach with Byleth or Joker in his first Mute games because he wasn't used to the floatiness, or how he said he didn't practice the Steve matchup besides fighting Maister in between his Onin loss and Acola victories, or how MinMin gives him trouble but he doesn't seem to be focused on training the matchup, more on playing a character that can do its thing freely against MinMin. The only time it's been very apparent that Leo has studied a match up between tournaments is against Tweek's Diddy after Summit 3

[@lcuas47]

Muteace plays like he's not allowed to leave the venue if he doesn't win Genesis 9

[@extonjonas6820]

So he is still there?

[@dlabick]

this episode is sending me down a statistics rabbithole but for MKLeo specially, currently 3 people are tied for the most amount of raw wins on him, which is insane because one of those people had to win every set against leo across a year to get there, while the other hasnt fought leo in over a year. the third is of course glutonny.

[@dlabick]

and for the solely eliminating leo twice in a tournament its been Tweek, Gluto, Marss, ESAM, Samsora, Protobanham, and Shuton, with only Gluto and Proto being able to do so in 2022.

[@KevSB07]

@@dlabick (Larry Lurr at G4, if you're counting invitationals)

[@dlabick]

@@KevSB07 one of those was a best of 3 and that whole event was very weird which is why I didnt count it along side all the wifi tournaments. you could if you wanted to though

[@alantisclovenpine984]

My sleep schedule was destroyed by watching Genesis, multiple 2-3am nights. Worth it for the amazing sets though.

[@PLAY-oe1nn]

You on East coast? I’m NorCal and love watching East Coast majors cause they end at 8-9 for me

[@alantisclovenpine984]

@@PLAY-oe1nn Yep, I live in the East Coast

[@thekingbradable]

Bruh I’m also EST and I took a nap on the Wario vs. Sonix set and when I woke up it was Game 3 of the reset for Grands 💀

[@Bellorin21]

I was curious, and checked how many people Double eliminated Mkleo in tournament, so here's a full list, ordered from earliest to latest: - Tweek (Frostbite 2019, Ultimate Summit 3) - KEN (EGS Cup) - Marss (Smash Factor 8) - Samsora (Shine 2019) - ESAM (Glitch 8.5) - Larry Lurr (G4 Smash Invitational) - Glutonny (Pound 2022) - Chag (Ultimate Tropical Arena) - ProtoBanham (Double Down 2022) 9 players. Only one to have done it twice is Tweek

[@DukeG3]

To answer the question of who has double eliminated MKLeo at a tournament, it's happened 12 times: Marss x2 (MSM 176, Smash Factor 8) Tweek x2 (Frostbite 2019, Ultimate Summit 3) Shuton (2GG Prime Saga Kickoff) KEN (EGS Cup) Samsora (Shine 2019) ESAM (Glitch 8.5) Larry Lurr (G4 Smash invitational) Glutonny (Pound 2022) Chag (Ultimate Tropical Arena) Protobanham (Double Down 2022)

[@Magic0YT]

ultimate this weekend was literally the ultimate level of gameplay I always wanted to watch. What a tourney

[@adrianmoreno2354]

"We got all the time to talk about Leo" LMAO It is always so evident that Haz is always rooting against Leo whenever and more when he is commentating on his sets, I think it was on LMBM that he was super pissed off when Leo beat Light.

[@Hazmatt]

No

[@simplesnacc1113]

It’s truer whether he wants to admit it or not, Haz gives off big hater energy

[@adrianmoreno2354]

@@simplesnacc1113 Yeah it is very plain to see, I mean he is human and it is understandable but sometimes he just gets carried away and that is unprofessional.

[@Troy98rawr]

LMAO, Pink killed me with that intro

[@samuelsandoval167]

Sometimes I feel like Haz is on the verge of a mental breakdown because of an energy I hear in his voice. No other comment

[@luca_miele]

All the people that have double-eliminated Leo in Ultimate are: Tweek (Frostbite 2019, Summit 3) Marss (Smash Factor 8) KEN (EGS Cup) Samsora (Shine 2019) Gluto (Pound 2022) ESAM (Glitch 8.5) Proto (Double Down) Chag (Ultimate Tropical Arena) Larry Lurr (G4 Invitational) Definitely an interesting stat!

[@luca_miele]

Could potentially be missing someone but those are all the people I remember. Tweek’s also the only person to have done it more than once

[@luca_miele]

What’s interesting as well is that all those players mentioned (except for Larry) went on to win their respective tournaments

[@karanveersehra6336]

Larry definitely the best player here

[@typhlosion7872]

Nice to see Leo's lineup working everything out. Looks like Joker is coming to the foreground with Byleth for matchups like Mega Man and Pac Man, Aegis for characters like ROB, Sonic, and maybe even Pika, and ROB for Min Min. I've heard rumors of Corrin reappearing for Sparg0, but that was also before Leo started seriously playing Joker again. The 4 character lineup he has, though, covers everything

[@BlessUpAsh]

Sonix is the Ultimate version of smash 4 dabuz. He's in every top 8 he attends, loses to a select few characters, super strong defensive play

[@adamice2526]

Mkleos on his way to collect all 6 genfinity stones

[@firewall5189]

whats his version of the snap lol? cant be defeating all the top players because thats exactly what hes doing already in order to get the genfinity stones in the first place

[@OscarBrewer]

@@firewall5189 A new DLC pack with new patches.

[@adamice2526]

@@firewall5189 he plays steve/kazuya to make half the playerbase quit

[@spartanchief2]

@@adamice2526 that would be the apocalyptic timeline.

[@emergencelive6194]

During this era im so glad to be a Tweek fan. Leo said he's just gonna keep winning now and I feel one of the few ppl to actually have prepared for the LeoJoker return was Tweek. And Sparg0 Ig. Like never sleep on Leo but at this point I think he can comfortably focus on these other players that are in his way. Imo they look like Light, Sparg0, Gluto and Acola. The 4 Horsemen

[@RayaShephard]

Love how this podcast has grown over time. Great job guys

[@vintagefalcon3974]

I still find it funny that marss has never beat tweek😂. It is THE poster child for a kryptonite in ultimate.

[@hakirayleigh]

Shuton neither

[@JonnyJayKhan]

The crazy thing about Aegis being called Sonic's worst matchup is that watching Leo and Sparg0 against Sonix, it just seems like they get absolutely bullied by Sonic the whole time unless they can clutch something out

[@Chumchou]

1:03:20 playing inside the threat range of the other player, that's the mango. No joke though that inside threat range playstyle is so fun to watch

[@mysticsquirtle5109]

There are 6 players to win a major while double eliminating MkLeo, and 7 to win a regional or higher over him Tweek: Frostbite 2019, Summit 3 Protobanham: Double Down 2022 Samsora: Shine 2019 Marss: Smash Factor 8 Esam: Glitch 8.5 Glutonny: Pound 2022 Regional is Chag at Ultimate Tropical Arena Tweek remains the only person to do it more than once Now let’s talk about MkLeo some more, and also address Sparg0. Sparg0 is one of 2 players to reset a bracket on MkLeo, however, Sparg0 has never double eliminated him, in fact, at a major, they haven’t played in grands since Mainstage and Port Priority 6, where Leo was on winners side both times. Players who have reset a bracket against MkLeo at a major consists of Glutonny at UFA (Leo went Marth set 1, not to discredit Gluto because Marth was used to make it through almost all of bracket) Sparg0 at Mainstage

[@Zippybobjoe]

I love how Charles just forgot about Tweek when he said "no one beats Marss 7 times in a row" LMAOOOOO

[@Keystone762]

Love this podcast, I work out to it all the time. Tweek is too fire with diddy 🔥🐒🦧

[@reaper83chow]

Talking about Sephiroth the only buff I want is that the wing doesn't go away when you kill someone lose the wing and were planning on recovering using that extra jump so you fall to your death. haha just make it go away when you land back on stage.

[@SmashvilleProductions]

Tweeker season ain't over yet, excited to see how he does in the coming months 🙏

[@superdragonsunshine]

Tweek played super solid. Great podcast. This was one of the best tournaments in a LONG time. I ain’t been watching smash recently but this was hype.

[@codetaku]

The way they talk about Leo being willing to constantly be in scrapping range is the same way Melee players talk about mang0. Not everyone is cut out to constantly scrap like that

[@Lavi_BT12]

Fr, something that is known about mango is that he's just not afraid to do shit. He will be up in your face whether you like it or not. They are quite literally "fucking around and finding out" their opponents. Leo is fearless, and it's from being fearless that he starts to catch on to their opponents, it's frankly why he's the king of reverse 3-0's.

[@BlaiseAgain]

Larry catching a stray at the end 💀

[@jebstuart3162]

Should've said this last week but I didn't think of it until a few days later. For Marss' episode back do it with Pink and Charles and do a "Marss Talks" April Fool's episode

[@spyroaster5457]

This tournament made me believe that a character like Peach can rise from the ashes, because Peach was struggling to get back to where she was before the pandemic hit. Putting in the time to practice and work on as many matchups as possible, MuteAce showed that you can overcome even the worst matchups and the hardest brackets: 1. He beat Maister 3-1, who plays G&W, often considered Peach's worst matchup. 2. He beat Acola 3-1, who plays Steve, a character that became despised for a while for how he plays the game. 3. He beat Glutonny 3-0, who has done against MuteAce in the past. 4. He beat Light 3-2, who has a near perfect record against Ling, another strong Peach player. 5. He initially beat MKLeo 3-1, who many still consider the best Ultimate player in the world. I think that MuteAce will continue shining in tournaments and will show that Peach may still be one of the best characters in the game.

[@omarwajeeh3665]

I think 2022 was really the year of the punish game. If we look at some of the most successful characters in 2022: Steve, Kazuya, gnw, wario, ROB, among others, a lot of them had suspect/average neutral games, but their advantage states were absurd. Hell, bowser, DK, and Incineroar had a great 2022 as well. Even Luigi, the OG kazuya, won its first major. I’m the side, characters like ZSS, sheik, Palu, pikachu, and joker, who while some have amazing advantage states, are more well known for their phenomenal neutrals, had seen a down year. I find it very possible that the balance of power may swing back in favor of those characters as neutral becomes more important

[@SANTI_697]

43:00 - 55:00 that entire sephiroth segment was really a john segment jfc

[@chr1s657]

Wheres the john? Character sucks

[@wheresmyshield176]

I don't want to bring up a certain Luigi main, but he certainly broke the mold trying to reach peak pgr

[@6PathsGohan]

Mute played out of his mind

[@Amaling]

Would say South Korea is the furthest ahead in terms of esports acceptance, but France is up there for sure

[@marcoquesada6656]

I love long episodes❤

[@zora2532]

58:16 Tweek seems so happy

[@adamisdracora2091]

lol tweek with the jab at marss

[@Tonjit41]

47:28 It's because he's afraid to lose. Leo etc will make do with either outcome of the match (even before their prominence). Tweek tries to force a single outcome and applies unnecessary stress.

[@elliotjohns255]

24:11 nah as Scar told us at genesis his jokers not on the up and up it's absolutely filthy

[@bignoobgaming2041]

Wait, Charles said that Kazuya's OOS game was bad, what's stopping Kazuya from just using electric our of shield? It's not slow, he will more likely than not kill you off of it, and if I remember right has some invincibility at the startup of it

[@mek80010]

I like Chuck's background in this episode

[@psyduck8025]

Smash Sephiroth is just 5 Pichus in a trench coat confirmed

[@o.o.4238]

Smash is healing

[@AroundWayOther]

super fun tourney and lots to learn!

[@savox422]

God teir thumbnail

[@hecty8667]

Bro Charles went nasty this episode lmao that’s my goat

[@BrandonMcBarrettFace]

Gavinor is back 🙏

[@shotgotit_]

If the Melee plot is to be believed... Muteace is going to absolutely show up this year and then win Genesis 10

[@d4ncedemon326]

I need this timeline

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Don'r mix melee childs ground with Ultimate serious competition

[@sladedari8595]

@@Yokai_Yuri???

[@divinefollower777]

Hey guys, love your podcasts I've listened to every episode. When are you going to make your podcast available on other podcast hosts?

[@redd_sn]

bring sonix in for an episode !!!

[@mcmann2243]

He gets too much hate, imo. He’s such a good player

[@deadeyed2454]

@@mcmann2243 I heard a kid in the Twitch chat say he wants Sonix to die irl. People really get this pissed off over a character just becase they're annoying.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@mcmann2243 It wouldn't be advisable to bring a player that is widely hated. Remember hoe many dislikes where in his matches before youtube hid the dislike ratio ? yeah, bring him in here will hurt the podcast

[@doge8153]

“It’s marshal or Em”

[@XanderW7381]

11/10 thumbnail

[@benji6325]

Kinda crazy that there was only one player out of the four "#1 contenders" that made it to top 4, and that was MKLeo

[@seanmccune2517]

Awwww ya Marcuser Pink

[@yamieruki]

I'm excited for battle of Playstyoes, fast paced Americans vs Ledgetrapping Mexicans vs Methodical Japanese players

[@nathanlevesque7812]

To be fair, Sonix just circle camps with a speed advantage and plays the odds.

[@superdragonsunshine]

Tweek, you’d be surprised. You might think other people are super composed and in the moment, but in their head, they might be freaking out just as bad or worse.

[@typhlosion7872]

I said it when your game 1 against Gluto finished and I'll say it again, if you played Seph the entire time like you did last stock game 1, it would've been an easy 3-1

[@xNayomi]

esports in France isnt as big as in Korea but we are trying

[@benji6325]

1:13:55 Larry Lurr! 1:13:59 Oh 😞

[@lucamogliazzi4596]

Tweek talks but Genesis Gibbers!

[@andrebaxter4023]

As a die hard Sephiroth main, I think Tweek should just drop him and use Roy or something. He's torturing himself by playing a character that he doesn't believe in.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Seph has a lot of problems. You need to play out of your mind to do some crazy shit. It's possible but why picking Seph if there is Kazuya or Steve

[@Lerkero]

The challenge with Tweek is that it seems like he rarely believes in his character choice. Him not believing in Seph is just another day at work

[@sladedari8595]

@@Lerkerobro doubted Diddy, and his wolf

[@andrebaxter4023]

@Lerkero , yup. Tweek is top 3 in the world. Way better than I am. That said, I believe that he would be much better if he has 100% faith in his character choices. Mindset is really important.

[@WesleyFiles]

Tweek Doubts. Same song and dance we been hearing for years.

[@Keystone762]

The truth is, you can’t expect people NOT to roast riddles after that controller spike. We laugh at compilations of bad smash moments all the time, riddles doesn’t get a pass from me even as a fan of his. It is understandable to get upset competing at that level. He did nothing wrong, no one was hurt but def roast worthy. Especially as kazuya to lose to fundies characters like palu and chrom. Kinda like pulling up w the “what are those” to school back in the day, expect it. Move on.

[@kingkadegames]

I feel like the difference is that you KNOW Riddles isn’t like that.

[@thesaxiest4480]

@KingKade Know riddles isn't like that?!?! Then like did he get possessed to throw his controller or something? Nah he baby raged because he IS like that LOL. Also let's not get into the weirdness of you assigning good personality traits to a smash player you don't even actually know. It gets into that parasocial relationship territory that is really unhealthy and even dangerous

[@kingkadegames]

@@thesaxiest4480 or the idea of him going through something that isn’t great. He doesn’t act like this normally. So spiking his controller is and oddity for how he normally acts in tournaments. His job is image based, why would he risk his image like this to just do it? Open up your mind and heart to consider if he is going through something that is making him upset.

[@thesaxiest4480]

@KingKade You're still trying to paint this picture of a content creator/ player that you don't even know... The most simple explanation for a controller spike is that Riddles hasn't placed as poorly as he did in a long time and so he raged a bit. At the end of the day yeah he's gonna get flamed for it and in general it's not a good look but at the same time, nobody is saying it's absolutely unacceptable and that he should see repercussions or something. But you are being hella weird to relentlessly defend someone who probably doesn't even know who you are over such a little thing.

[@-feonix48-47]

This is the best perspective. It’s bad, and it sucks, but he deserves to get a little shit for it. It ain’t career ending or anything but yeah, it happened, and hopeful he’ll be/do better. It’s fine

[@zachhousby4092]

the only people i know that double eliminated leo out of a major/supermajor is tweek marss and esam

[@SMFizzy]

Samsora Shine 2019

[@michaelcarli]

Proud of Mute

[@Mario-aquino]

Anyone know what the next big tournament is?

[@deshawnjohnson3348]

Think sonix is great but I also think it’s the character is extremely hard to deal with it’s worse if the player is actually good

[@Yokai_Yuri]

He is not that good. he is like Riddles. Abusing a character that is poorly developed so they could win. Sonic's design is just to hit and run and on top of that have super safe moves so he could keep doing his shit. Kazuya is a character that gets rewarded even if he makes mistakes and this is thanks to all his positives like super amor, invencibility etc... If smash ultimate would kept the patches coming in, Kazuya and Sonic would be heavily nerfed by now. Possibly the pichu treatment.

[@dspd0140]

You were under stress, with the other contenders for best in the world, a bad Diddy bracket and got 7th losing to two other Top 10 players. It's pretty good.

[@ToucanBinks]

Got y'all with the like and comment

[@MrBobxxl]

i wish there would be a vod of the kurama sonix 2-3 set.

[@triffles0789]

Karmine corp youtube channel has that set in a vod. Its the video with Kurama as the thumbnail Set starts at 43:55

[@MrBobxxl]

@@triffles0789 Thanks alot!

[@MrBobxxl]

@@triffles0789 Well, after seeing that game i' pretty sure the mu is basicly impossible and the only reason that kurama got 2 games is that sonix became way more aggressive and less campy after the first 2 wins and only went back to sonics almost unbeatable defensive playstyle after he had to in game 5. :-/ shame.

[@reeceweigel3627]

Nobody hates Sephiroth more than Charles. Chill buddy. He’s fun to play and Tweek enjoys him. Let it go. Looks like you take it too personally or something

[@louiehuang8708]

Tweek low key implying cosmos is so bad he can autopilot against cosmos and still win

[@fromjahwluv]

pink forgot that sonix also lost to bigboss

[@Saechao629]

Watching Leo vs most of the top 8 didn’t feel like he was dominating. It just felt like he was fishing a lot slowly started conditioning players until getting the win.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

The irony of saying 'team fundies' as a jab against DLC, because people finally took enough of a break from being salty to learn the MUs, is killing me.

[@nathangrim4420]

Haz said history obviously favors Leo over Sonix but actually Sonix is one of the few players either a consistent winning record over Leo. History favors Sonix

[@Blue24675]

To be fair most of the matches Leo lost were played online

[@JackBz]

LMBM was the first time Sonix has beaten Leo offline. Their set history is 5-1 in Leo's favor

[@jakestout5489]

Tweek cloud?!!?!?!!?

[@Rockleefan3]

For anyone who was also interested to hear the interview of mr. Genesis’ first genesis win: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXixdqClodBno9k Love Marcus introduction btw

[@nickpearce6815]

I love tweek, but man, lets charles speak !