Running an EV is TWICE as expensive as a petrol car.. Says the Telegraph

[@robertnightingale4101]

That's just running costs. Add in the initial cost of the vehicle and the depreciation. 💩💩💩

[@ianharley1726]

And insurance. Even breakdown recovery costs are higher.

[@vulcanvoyager]

Absolutely, I was just about to make the same point, when I noticed your comment!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

We have all these think-tanks but the charging network is still a smorgasboard.

[@robertnightingale4101]

@@ianharley1726 included insurance as part of the running costs.

[@Troy-McLore]

Thats all before pay per mile comes in & screws them even harder

[@Maccaxxx]

My neighbour is a sales rep, his company went all electric a about 5 years ago, but where he would say go from the Midlands up to Scotland or down to the south coast, he has to spend more nights in hotels because he can't get back because of having to recharge his batteries, so that is just one more cost which they never had when driving petrol or diesel cars, his company now are going back to petrol cars soon he said.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

A pluginhybrid would be the solution!

[@DwaynePipes]

What company is that?

[@XenonJohnD]

Takes about 30min to get from 20% charge to 80% so what's the problem?

[@paulf897]

If they persist with the net zero B/S no one will get to work. There are tens of thousands of industrial estates in this country, most of which have cheap runaround cars parked down every road and carpark. I wonder if companies will hike everyone's wages to go EV? The cost would be prohibitively expensive so the factories will probably move to China and plug into a coal fired power station!

[@paulnewman9275]

​@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nlOr better still a pure ICE car

[@aitchpee5069]

If you are driving less than 25 miles a day why would you want an expensive new car?

[@theolddog5129]

Well, I drive less than 25 miles a week and own/drive a Jaguar XF-S 3.0 V6 that cost £64k when new. It is called a working-class man enjoying one of life's luxuries.

[@Markcain268]

£500 for my car!

[@ImLivinSD]

With expensive ass Car Payments & Ins & Registration for 5 to 7 years and Level 2 charging at home.

[@tonyireland2234]

Because I love my 2024 MX5.Are you suggesting an 1986 ford escort is better ?

[@charlesnash8441]

£340 for my car and that included a full MOT and six months road tax (that shows how long ago I bought it). Fiesta 53 plate petrol and It is about to rollover to 170000 miles. It probably owes me £1500 now which includes the purchase price, MOTs and work done. Can someone explain why I would want to give this car up, it does what I need? In addition, we have three cars in our household, how would we all charge at night - our electrics dimmed when we had a 9.5kw shower fitted? I suppose I will get the "I think you will find...", if anyone replies, come through 🤣.

[@CiderGuy]

And importantly, (unlike petrol/diesel vehicles) they didn’t have to ban horses to get people into cars. 🤡

[@androidcaller7902]

Petrol cars didn't just replace horses. They replaced awkward steam cars and lorries, and.... useless electric cars 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@romanpolanski4928]

Exactly. If EV's were really superior to ICE vehicles, there would be no need for subsidies.

[@John-t2v]

@@romanpolanski4928 If EV cars were superior to ICE cars this whole issue would not exist but it does so there's a clue

[@John-t2v]

WRONG

[@davidplowman6149]

Correct. Fuel based vehicles were clearly just better than horses in almost every way. EV’s don’t change anything except “refueling” time. I’m talking about the user experience.

[@firstone2917]

47 Coal powered PowerStations opened ( LAST YEAR ) in China .

[@YUDNSAY]

Yes, despite having more renewable sources than ANY other countries of comparable size, or continents of countries in some cases, they still know that they need the support of coal/oil/gas for the electrical needs of a 1.5billion population, with a high-speed electrical transport system.

[@MrDavil43]

And after mining millions of tons of their own coal, China are now stockpiling coal from other countries. They must know something we don't. A local company to me has a warehouse full of servers running 24/7 for various global computer systems. Just this one company has a monthly...yes, monthly...electricity bill of £750,000. There are many such companies in the Thames Valley. Where is all this electricity (which mustn't be interrupted) coming from with Net Zero? Will they be prioritised over domestic consumers? A cold, still Winter's evening will be a little short of renewables methinks.

[@robblake6804]

​@@MrDavil43they are all fitted with backup generators they are all aware the grid will collapse but big brother will have all the power it needs to rule

[@johnpublicprofile6261]

Umm, UK EVs don't get their power from China, so I don't understand the relevance to a UK road trip.

[@NicholasBarker-ip4ht]

They always mention how many houses the wind and solar farms will power, but they are shoving pylons up to AI centres round London. Most of the power will be used for them. We will have to go without. If you charge at home they will Nick it overnight.

[@summerjunk929]

I was an early adopter with a leaf and then a TM3 but we've gone back to diesel, 700 miles on one tank is a refreshing change when we go away camping and even with a roof box the mpg isnt affected thay much. Roof box on the Tesla used to wipe out approx 80 miles of range

[@johndawson5718]

Well said valuable information indeed.

[@Luka_3D]

80 miles? I got more in my e-Golf in -30c at highway speeds.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Well done for admitting you got it wrong most EV drivers are not prepared to admit their stupidity

[@theolddog5129]

@@Anonymous-ib8so Stupidity is usually in the beholder! 😁😁😁

[@johnnydoe1984]

@Luka_3D he said , "'wipe out'" 80 miles !

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

I can see all manufacturers reverting back to petrol otherwise they'll go bankrupt. As you said Geoff - you cannot force people to buy EVs. 👍

[@Chappers.Gaming]

The best thing is hybrids... Electric car that can do 200 miles with a engine that can Also drive another 200 miles or something or charge the car on the go to make it fully electric 400 miles for small cars* no idea why we chose to suddenly kill ice cars.... They never thought about proper hybrids... Refine the hybrids... Europe seem to think that they are making a difference but let's say we all have EV in Europe, America and China/ Russia or India will pollut the earth more or the same and offset European stupid targets.

[@downunda107]

Oh but they CONVINCED, SHAMED Y'all into Rollin up those bluddy sleeves, didn't they? Why would this be different? The FEAR FACTOR will cripple You. Greta will save the day !

[@Pharozos]

It has already started. Volvo just scrapped their " All our cars will be EV's by 2030" scheme.

[@illegalopinions4082]

You can if you ban the sale of ICE. People seriously need to get their eye on the ball and understand that legislation _is_ in place and _will_ take effect.

[@orbitalair2103]

WHAT PETROL? 2030 BANNED in California USA, 2035 BANNED in EU. There WONT be any new Petrol Cars.

[@bobstirling6885]

Same article in numerous papers, nothing we didn't already know but good to see it being expressed in the media. The astonishing thing is that SMMT are saying the problem is that they should be cutting VAT on charging and purchase of EVs, rather than realising the con has been recognised by the general public. The Electric Car Scheme are even calling for more incentives....people DON'T want these cars!!

[@blogg9922]

SMMT is a trade association. Like most is funded by industry participants and Committees consist if representatives from same As such, will replicate their views

[@galloway9707]

You speak for everyone then - lol

[@RogueTrader-]

@@galloway9707 85%

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

We tax payers are subsidising the madness of the push to make us all drive EV. Stop the subsidies and EVs will die altogether

[@Luka_3D]

I want these cars.

[@totalutternutter]

When super market plastic carrier bags replaced paper bags they were lauded as as the saviour of forests but now they're despised because they're single use plastic. Do you ever wonder why all the food and drink you buy in a supermarket and put into your planet saving bag for life is still packaged in single use plastic?

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

Its how stupid the world has become because those in so-called charge, are IDIOTS.

[@Oldmanofthewood]

We’ve been down this government Con road before and funnily enough it was labour that pushed the diesel con! Get us all to buy a diesel then shove diesel costs through the roof! Same with EVs🇬🇧✡️✝️

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Its ok to subsidize some Tech for some time but not for to Long!Five years ago they should implement 10k for every Ev and every year reduce it by 1k

[@rcmakingtracks18]

Yep I remember, and totally agree, same con, different time.

[@CrusaderSports250]

And don't forget the LPG fiasco, pushed as a cheap fuel until people started using it, then the tax went on and now you rarely see the pumps.

[@andrewwaller5913]

Exactly, diesel fuel should be half the price of petrol at the pump. But its more expensive, no wonder everyone is buying petrol cars again 😂

[@Luka_3D]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl They will cut it once the infrastructure is good enough. After everyone can charge at home people will be more likely to buy electric and thus won't have to be persuaded.

[@johnconnolly6072]

funny that neither Kahn nor PM is driven in offical electric cars.

[@johndawson5718]

They will say its a security measure like the Arsenal box, got to be in heavy armour plated cars, imagine the size of battery required to move one of those 🤔

[@maszkalman3676]

@@johndawson5718 Yeah if we are not secure they shoudln't be either

[@fugawiaus]

The petrol car didn’t replace horses, it replaced the first cars that were electric. So petrol replaced EVs.

[@robertgreen9614]

Petrol, steam and electric cars were all developed at the same time. Petrol just happened to come out on top as the best all rounder. The introduction of the electric starter motor on petrol cars was the final nail in the coffin for the other techs.

[@dcarbs2979]

@@robertgreen9614 Correct. The starter motor eliminated the problem the same as now: the inconvenience of charging or heating water in the case of steam.

[@vulcanvoyager]

It would seem, that old adage, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" has never been more appropriate!

[@standurham2525]

I’m almost gutted by this revelation. Now I’ll have to stick with my 60mpg, zero road tax, 450+ mile range, low depreciating ICE car. Ah well🤷‍♂️

[@mikewhitehead50]

I'm sure the EV owners who pay 2p per mile, zero road tax and bought used so see little depreciation aren't too bothered by this revelation either.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

😂😆

[@standurham2525]

And by not buying an EV, I don’t get my free toaster.

[@mikewhitehead50]

@@standurham2525considering the thousands of EV’s sold a month in the UK… where are all the photos of them burning down garages and burnt out on driveways? Geoff would be showing you them. Instead it’s a diesel Range Rover in a multi-storey car park.

[@Luka_3D]

@@mikewhitehead50 There are entire reddit communities dedicated to posting car accidents footage. Of course, the data is skewed because most cars on the roads are ice but the number of ice cars that burst into flames would be comical if people weren't dying. Why aren't we hearing more reports of those fires? Meanwhile Teslas make front page news even if no one was injured.

[@willmatthews878]

The move from horse & cart to car was market driven. The move from petrol to EV is government driven. Government meddling in the free market never works. See USSR for more details.

[@rosen9425]

I always remember the Top Gear episode about Soviet cars and James May sends a knob into the dash. Peak government meddling! 🤣

[@dcarbs2979]

@@rosen9425 Which one? The Top Gear episode on Soviet cars I remember was long before James May joined. It was a c.1991 episode about Lada's (in particular) making their way back home as Russians were buying UK Ladas since the Wall had come down and USSR had just dissolved.

[@maxbrooks1191]

@@rosen9425 Lada ? its the same on the new Lada.

[@rosen9425]

​@@dcarbs2979 Nah, that is ancient top gear way before we even had it

[@bobstirling6885]

The petrol car didn't replace the horse....it replaced the first evolution of electric cars, which didn't work then either.....

[@josephberrie9550]

and steam powered cars and trucks

[@bobstirling6885]

@@Sp_75-76 🤣🤣

[@paulx3274]

They started taxing horses until they went to cars instead.

[@kwc1138]

They did work .. but they were luxury items for short metropolitan distances. Petroleum based vehicles had portable instant fuel with practically unlimited range which electric cars can never compete with.

[@stephenw2992]

Didnt even need a network of petrol stations. People purchased cans of fuel from the local bottle shop or chemist and filled up at home. That is why there are thousands of vintage kero cans and wooden oil company crates in man caves around the world.

[@NMonte1000]

Always love your videos. Just one small niggle - the phrase 'saving the planet'. I hear it so often but it is meaningless because the planet does not give a shit whether humans are on it or not. It existed for billions of years before we came along and will exist for billions of years after we are gone. The planet cools and warms over thousands of years regardless of what we do and we are now in a warming period. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO the planet will continue to warm and any tinkering at the edges will only delay the inevitable. I am not a climate change denier as I am fully aware of the changes that have been going on for millions of years. Just 10,000 years ago the ice sheets in Britain came as far as Finchley in London, so global warming; has been going on for a long time. I also applaud all the measures that have been taken over the decades to reduce pollution, particularly in the major cities. But causing huge amounts of anxiety, particularly amongst the young, and making everyone poorer by following crazy green policies that simply will not work is lunacy.

[@domahern1046]

Agreed. 20000 years from now there could be forests growing coast to coast following the human mass extinction event. 500 million years from now there will be the most incredible fossils from when these odd naked talking apes self destructed their own civilisation.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

WOW... Common sense. Yes the climate has been changing for many thousands of years and will continue to change. Reducing the use of non renewable resources should be higher on the cards.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Exceelnt comment. When I was at school in the 1960.s we were told the Earth was heading for another ice age.!!! Maybe they meant Internal Combustion Engine?

[@terryurquhart2413]

@@NMonte1000 now that is a great comment !

[@billpugh58]

I think we should just burn coal, oil, whatever

[@lesliecowling2427]

The petrol car also replaced the electric car once before, and is about to replace it for the second time🤣

[@toffeepie1878]

Literally, overtaking them on the road each day with my V8 is second nature

[@toffeepie1878]

@@domingodesantaclara1130 my background is Electronic Engineer, with a masters of science - I have industrial experience with lithium batteries including dealing with Tier 1 suppliers and regulatory bodies across the world. Electric cars particularly the cover-up with raw materials is a crime against human intelligence - a 5 minute spreadsheet tells me at least 10 billion tonnes of lithium batteries will be mined by 2050 for EVs shipped in the Western world and that's very generous considering a 5 percent increase per sales each year and a 300kg battery weight. Scientists are using climate change as a controlling mechanism for everything they wish - everything you look at and walk upon is a victim of climate change nowadays

[@rocketmunkey1]

Yes most people dont seem to know that electric motors and electric cars were invented before the petrol engine, the first electric motor was invented in 1832 first electric car around 1837, the first petrol engine 1876 first petrol car 1886. Petrol won out for the same reasons its winning today reliability, range and practicality.

[@GhostLead65]

True story and i can,t wait.

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

@@rocketmunkey1 Petrol cars were initially slow inefficient and very bad. The reason petrol took over was the oil companies wanted to make money. They used to burn off petrol to get rid of it. Petrol was not practical until they built filling stations nationwide. Also the ICE has been developed for over 100 years, the electric car has not. In 150 years who knows the electric car might be viable.

[@nicholasdavis657]

EV enthusiasts who cite the story about horses are missing the point. Horses were never banned - you can still commute to work on one if you want. People moved from horses to cars voluntarily because they are better. If EVs were better then combustion cars, everyone would buy one and petrol cars would die out naturally, without a ban being needed. But they are not better, and that's why Governments are using bans to force people into an inferior product.

[@charlesnash8441]

Is it not to get us all out of cars so there's is more room for them and their friends/new friends? They don't want us out at all.

[@dcarbs2979]

EVs have already lost to petrol: around 1914.

[@nicholasdavis657]

@@dcarbs2979 yes people often forget that. EVs were tried and failed. The technology wasn't good enough then and still isn't.

[@davidclemens1578]

​@@nicholasdavis657add to that the government didn't have to subsidize and give incentives to get people to move into automobiles

[@Luka_3D]

Actually, the petrol and electric cars share a lot more in common than you think. No one wanted to buy a car in general until the infrastructure was in place and prices came down. We've got the same issue now with electric cars. A lot of people want them for the low running costs but they can't afford them and they can't charge them. China is a bit ahead of the game in this as they've already reached price parity with gas. They also have a much more developed infrastructure which is why so many people are going electric there.

[@huffmanaviation7341]

After the pager and walkie talkie battery bombs driving foreign EV's just got a whole lot more exciting!

[@DwaynePipes]

Really? Is there a special room in the factories where the bang,bang material is added. No to mention that the same thing could be done to ICE cars if you think about it hard enough!

[@ImLivinSD]

​@DwaynePipes Truely, place a charge right on the gas tank. Alas a charge on the battery pack would set off a non Extinguishable inferno. Thousands of electric vehicle fires.

[@DwaynePipes]

@@ImLivinSD Vs millions of ICE fires!

[@Luka_3D]

Why bother modding an ev when you already have a vehicle full of explosive liquid ready to go?

[@treelineresearch3387]

@@Luka_3D Flammable is not the same as explosive, gas doesn't carry its own oxidizer and is limited by atmospheric oxygen. Gas cars pretty much never explode unless the mob is trying to get rid of a witness, and even when they burn the fire usually stays in the engine compartment. Li-Ion on the other hand is a lot closer to an ex plo sive, in that each charged cell has all the reactants needed for a fairly vigorous reaction inside it just waiting for a chance to party.

[@cedhome7945]

All through human history when someone invents something there will be sheep who will flock to the new new new without standing back and waiting until it's proven better or just a scam....

[@BobWilliscorgi]

I received a delivery from an electric DHL van yesterday and I asked the driver what it was like using an electric vehicle, he told me that it was crap and it costs £63 per charge daily for just a short range of 140 miles if he’s lucky! 😮

[@orvillefindley8117]

I live in Penzance and I drive a 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe. It's a 2.2 diesel engine. The last time I drove to London it cost me £85 there and back. I like to put my foot down on motorways. If I had a EV I wouldn't even get half the stated miles per full charge. What they don't mention is the range of a EV is based on you not exceeding 20 or 30 mph 👍🙄

[@josephberrie9550]

and no heating or air con.

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

In the US when out on the interstates most times the Teslas are in the far right lanes trying to get the best range by going just at or slightly under the posted limit. Sure you see some going with the flow of traffic in the left or middle lanes but drive long enough and they are making a short trip, soon getting off a couple of exits further down the road.

[@galloway9707]

You would need two c30 min charges to do this in a Tesla model 3. It is an over 5 hour journey each way, so you would need to stop for a toilet break anyway. If you filled an EV for a home charger before you set and only used Superchargers the fuel cost would be less than your diesel.

[@XenonJohnD]

Sorry but did you just make this up? Do some homework before commenting. Penzance to London is 305 miles. Charge around Cardiff for 30 min and you will be fine. You drive the whole way at 70mph, you can have the heating or air con on and no, your car won't explode.

[@paulnewman9275]

​@@XenonJohnD bullshit

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

Everybody conveniently forgets the environmental cost of manufacture and recycling of BEVs. Cheaper running costs are just a selfish consideration of an EV

[@tonyb3629]

Extremely selfish. Apparently EV's only exist to 'save the planet' (which is a load ot tosh), yet that's barely even mentioned in the sales pitch.

[@djtaylorutube]

Pretty sure that every cradle to grave analysis hasn't conveniently forgot that at all and still favours an EV. 🤷

[@Luka_3D]

If gasoline just magically materialized at your local gas station, you'd have a point. Unfortunately there's a lot more that you have to account for than tailpipe emissions. If we include all of that, evs produce around 50 to 70% less emissions so please kindly quit your bs.

[@markduffy9475]

And the slavery of digging out the cobalt and lithium. Quinton never seems to mention the human suffering does he?

[@Luka_3D]

@@markduffy9475 Only cobalt has problems with slave miners. Although I don't understand why this is made out to be an ev only issue when oil companies have used cobalt as a catalyst for decades now. Like, if you wanna help those kids, sell your gas car and buy an ev with an lfp battery. Those have zero cobalt.

[@GrantHarvey-tx9sl]

The video you did with Barrie Crampton was an eye opener into what's going on with EV sales. He did a video last night showing exactly what dealers are doing & how they are skewing the figures to escape the looming fines. Brand new Volvo EX30 pre registered by the dealer then listed next day as used with 10 miles on the clock at insane price reductions.

[@dry_rat]

Quentin sold his soul to the devil. History will haunt him

[@G-ra-ha-m]

And so will the batteries LOL.

[@cedhome7945]

Slimey salesman greasy oily sell out

[@SJBW196]

Count Quentula has been dwelling with demons for years......

[@BertoniBertone]

That’s not what his accountant thinks…..

[@dominicgoodwin1147]

Ever heard of Climate Change? Getting rid of fossil fuels will be like abolishing slavery. Everyone will look back and say “Why did it take so long? Why was there so much resistance? Couldn’t people see the evil it causes?”

[@TheHidden-ny4rk]

PiP are making it more expensive to own a petrol or diesel. When it comes to handing back my Puma hybrid I will not be getting an EV as a replacement... ICE all the way.

[@janettepettinger8439]

A friend who had a 3 year lease, plug in, electric car, was 6 months into her lease and wanted to hand it back. A driving holiday to France became a nightmare before even getting to the ferry, looking for a public charging point added half a day to her journey and they missed her ferry crossing. It took almost 2 years to have them install a home charge point & a list of other problems she's had. She is now 9 months away from being able to hand it back, she's looking to a non plug-in hybrid. 🙏🕊️

[@DwaynePipes]

I'm wondering how you come to that conclusion? By using the filters on the Mobility website for choosing a car... For zero up front cost you can select from 22 models for petrol or hybrid but only 19 for BEV. Even if you go up to £500 down payment the numbers are 38 Vs 25 in favour of ICE cars. That looks like the opposite of what you are claiming! Am I reading that incorrectly?🤔

[@CiderGuy]

@@janettepettinger8439I don’t know if it’s a Motability lease car you’re talking about or not. If it is, for a £250 fee they can get out of the lease right now and get a more appropriate car straight away. 👍

[@janettepettinger8439]

@@CiderGuy Thank you for the info, I will pass that on to her. And yes it is a 'PIP' car as she is a leg amputee with other physical problems, so you can imagine the fear of running out of fuel (electric), it makes her very vulnerable. 🙏🕊️

[@TheHidden-ny4rk]

@@DwaynePipes mine goes back in 2026.

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

Just another nail in the coffin for the EVs. I will never buy one. 👍

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Oh I would, I'd have the 1800s one Jay leno has, in a heartbeat!

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

I will buy one,but they have to get way better a lighter!Having a 700 Kilo batteriepack in your Car is crazy!

[@mikewhitehead50]

It's not. It's not a good aspect of EV ownership, but most EV charging is done at home, where it's 10x cheaper than that.

[@jamespugh3729]

Why wouldn't you buy one? They are just cars.... If they work for you then great, if they don't, then don't buy one. They are just an object, it's not a political statement.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@@mikewhitehead50 What percentage of homes don't have driveways to charge in?

[@paulreading8980]

The problem is that you won’t have a choice to buy these petrol cars. You will have to use your old car or buy electric. The problem is that the government is going to tax ICE cars off the road, they will keep raising costs until it is cheaper to use electric. I don’t want a new nanny car that is tracking me, stealing my data, is controlling my top speed or giving feedback to insurance companies about my daily routes to work.

[@bigbasil1908]

They won't ban sales of ICE vehicles, it's all a grift or scam to trick people into buying EV's. People always fall for these scams that the governments are pushing

[@CrusaderSports250]

When all the ice cars have been put of the road the answer to the battery problem will be a gas car, and we will have to spend lots of money to get the latest planet saver, the fact that we could have converted our petrol cars reasonably cheaply will be glossed over in the rush to get us to purchase yet more new cars.

[@Luka_3D]

Who says you won't be able to buy a petrol car? They're going to stay on the roads for decades to come while evs slowly replace them.

[@paulreading8980]

@@Luka_3D keep up the Labour Party one the election, Ed Milligan’s is eco mad and Rachel Reeves wants your money. Tax are going to tax “legacy”nears off the road.

[@paulreading8980]

@@Luka_3D keep up the Labour Party won the election, Ed Milligan’s is eco mad and Rachel Reeves wants your money. Tax are going to tax “legacy”nears off the road.

[@Dani-it5sy]

Yet our Norwegian government gives EV buyers so much of our tax money that it's a much cheaper option here to drive EV vs combustion. Imagine what a scandal that actually is. A model X, which is clearly only a car for the very wealthy, gets at least 120k euros in tax discount 😨 120.000 euros gift to a rich person which buy a 3 ton luxury car. AND he doesn't pay road tax and tolls. Ferries are free and they can use the bus lanes. Yep, just look at Norway. EVs can be a success. 🤪 I almost have to throw up when I think about the politicians that are responsible for this. 🤢

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

They better give everybody 50k who doesnt drive a car!

[@romanpolanski4928]

I hear that battery electric buses in Oslo have been a disaster in Winter.

[@Dani-it5sy]

@@romanpolanski4928 Of course. Everyone with any knowledge and without an agenda can see that. Our government has digged it's such a big hole there is no way out anymore. Their strategy now is to just keep digging and hope we will come out on the other side 😳 Imagine after giving away so many billions of dollars to people that are willing to buy an EV and then having to admit it was a dead end 😱 The left is too narcissistic for that. They will rather just let everything go to hell than to admit they are wrong. Trucks is even worse. The concrete factory where I work sometimes has bought 2 electric trucks. HEAVILY sponsored by tax money. They can only do 1 or 2 trips of 30min each way plus say an hour on site and then that truck needs to charge for the rest of the day. While I with a diesel truck, which is cheaper even without sponsoring, can do 8 trips and then without even stopping the engine the night shift can take over the truck and go on for the rest of the night. If you can't see that that is a complete dead end sorry but then you are retarded. Sorry but that is just the truth.

[@Dani-it5sy]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Exactly. But nothing is allowed to slow down production. They could also push car makers to make cars more long lasting and more reasonable prices on spare parts. Making a car last 20 years instead of 10 will cut emissions by more than we can ever achieve even if we got cars to run on 'the Force'. But that would mean production of cars would be halved. And that is not something they are interested in AT All 😜

[@ohyesitsme]

Don't let Tesla Bjorn see this 🤭

[@Hello_69269]

That is absolutely amazing and I will definitely not be buying a EV at all thanks for sharing this information ❤

[@CarlosArruda77]

@@Hello_69269 I have 6 friends in my inner circle that too shared the same thoughts. Their biggest mistake was to drive an EV. Don't knock it till you try it. Shoot, I was too apprehensive to have one and now I will not go back. This is, of course unless my life changes. If anyone can charge at home, personally for me, having an EV is an easy choice over petrol.

[@hudsonbear5038]

Cheap home charging will change too for EV's but they think it will just stay the same forever... The delusions the EV lot follow is laughable...

[@G-ra-ha-m]

There's also the extra tens of thousands to buy the ticking time.. item, too.

[@socialhostage8534]

Funny thing is that without taxes it would be impossible to beat the petrol or diesel prices. In 3rd world countries it's sold for like 70 cents per liter.

[@Galerak1]

Exactly! If the government manage to push everyone into an EV then they'll have to start taxing the electricity people use to make up for the fuel duty they'll be missing out on (currently 52.95p per litre plus 20%VAT on the pump price). And, unless your car charger is on a seperate meter, then that tax will be applied to every MW you use in your house. That's probably why they try to coerce people into buying them with incentives, they'll be raking in so much tax it will cover the cost of both the lost fuel duty and the monetary outlay of all of those incentives. ANYTHING that needs incentives to coerce the public is NEVER in the public's best interest in the long run. Ya know, like a certain jab a few years ago.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

​@socialhostage8534 Not actually true, even with all the tax taken off that's still ~£28 that still costs about £38 to fully fill a tank for about 400 miles. It takes my EV £8 to do 400 miles. So even with all the tax removed I still beat petrol by 4X

[@xperyskop2475]

​@@socialhostage8534They wages are much less too

[@BeaHindebars]

Enough!! Herr Starmer needs to do something about this anti establishment rhetoric!

[@PorchBass]

You vill leese de Eevee and be appy, comrades

[@tonyb3629]

Starmner is 'all in' on the WEF agenda, just as Albanese in Aus, Truedau in Canada, Biden/Harris in US and pretty much all of Europe are. They're all playing the same fiddle while their strings are being pulled.

[@demcomp]

EVs are even more useful here in Canuckada! In Gooseland, which is just massive, EVs make perfect sense. It's freezing in the winter, and gets kinda hot in the summer, but EVs just rule! They never burn here. Or break down, and can drive for hundreds of miles between charges. Unlike their ICE counterparts, which can't run in the winter, EVs rule supreme. Meanwhile in reality land.... 🤣

[@guitarman8778]

Nice Canadian humour. All the best from Britland

[@demcomp]

@@guitarman8778 cheers mate! Have yourself a great evening! 🍻

[@rosen9425]

Swedistan supports this sarcasm 🤣

[@steverees1936]

As a Red Dwarf fan I had respect for Robert Llewellyn but now with the bs that comes out of his mouth along with others on Fully Charged I am disappointed with how arrogant and condescending he is. I personally wouldn't mind an electric car just to travel to work and back daily but why would I spend even £15000 on a car just for that. Further more to install the charger, they would need to dig up my foot path outside and also my hallway floor to connect to the fuse box. Not a great start. In April 2025 all vehicles will be charged road tax, including electric vehicles. I currently drive a 2009 Focus 1.8 diesel with 183000 miles on the clock that does 53 mpg. I owe nothing on this car and as far as I can see it's probably the cheapest form of transport I need to get to work, as I live in a rural area. Besides all that, I love Franklin my Focus 😁

[@johnnunn8688]

There’s also the added cost, (to wallet and waistline) because of all those coffees and pies while waiting. Plus huge depreciation and the huge increase in insurance costs.

[@globaleye8]

Rumour has it that the government is going to buy up all the unsold EVs and sell them through their own dealership called "Miliband Motors" 🤣

[@bentullett6068]

There may also be a used Kia EV car's dealership called Two Tier Kia on the horizon as well 😂

[@marknichols7861]

I made a round trip to Phoenix yesterday, from my home, which is a 3.5 hour one way trip, so 7 hours of driving on a 75mph highway. I own a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV that has a range of about 230 miles when driving at 65 mph with the AC on - mandatory in Arizona - I keep it down to 65 because at 75mph the range drops precipitously. I also own a 2014 Mercedes E350 gas (6 cylinder). I took the Mercedes there and back, with 100 miles left in the tank and averaged 30 mpg. No range anxiety. No stopping to charge for an hour to get back home. The Bolt is fine for my daily work commute of 40 miles round trip and I charge at home for $0.10 /kWh. Let’s not talk about resale value. I can’t recover the loss in value of my EV by any perceived gain in fuel cost savings.

[@anglosaxon5874]

These companies that buy this worthless ev's should be forced to keep them or buy second hand ones that are already here instead of buying new one's all the time!

[@Luka_3D]

Who is forcing you to buy an ev?

[@anglosaxon5874]

@@Luka_3D Ahhh a tree hugger! There there!

[@Luka_3D]

@@anglosaxon5874 I'd rather hug a tree than sniff gas but to each their own I guess

[@anglosaxon5874]

@@Luka_3D I love trees and wildlife BUT I do NOT believe in climate change due to man!

[@robg521]

Fleet cars, my company gives fuel expenses for running a company lease hire car and all of the cars are EV, So when they charge at home they actually make money from their expenses claims. And every 3 years they hand it back and pick up a new one at zero cost to themselves.

[@jimh5031]

In the same way running an air source Heat pump is twice the cost per year as a gas combi boiler but we must remember it is GREEN heat so they say.

[@Offgridcamper-sb4rj]

Don't forget to factor in the fact that BEVs push up the price of domestic electricity for everybody, and not just EV drivers. btw They aren't saving the planet, quite the reverse in fact if you consider the damage done to carbon sequestration and nano particle emissions.

[@michaelbrooks8332]

You might like to know that not all is lost, i met a boy last night at a wedding in Slovakia, he is studiying auto electrics he is 17 has a jaguar s type and Mazda 323 he is against fridge freezers

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Evs are the Future,just not the near Future!We need way better batteries with higher energydensety!Until we have the better batteries normal Hybrids are the solution!

[@michaelbrooks8332]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl solution to what

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

​@@michaelbrooks8332To lower Petrol consumtion!Toyota Hybrids are amazing!

[@MrDamo34]

I’ve had my EV for 5 years. Paid 10.5k more than my previous diesel equivalent plus £560 to get home charging point installed. Saving £150 a month average on what I was spending in diesel versus my electricity bill. Have replaced front tires twice and rears once. By the time my diesel was 5 years old it had cost me £600 to get it through its last 2 MOT’s. My insurance is £110 higher than it was with the diesel. What people fail to understand is that EV’s will only get better., with more environmentally friendly batteries and lower costs. Up until now it’s just a start but as an early adopter I’m sold. It’s a bitter pill to swallow if you’re deluded but the future isn’t the combustion engine. Sorry.

[@davidmurray5702]

What I want to know is: why do all these responders get so worked up about other people buying EVs? If they don't want to, they won't have to buy one for years, if ever. 20-odd million IC cars are not going to vanish overnight (And I believe you'll still be able to buy a new one and run it on synthetic fuel)

[@DofTF]

It's about time the motoring industry stopped pandering to political nonsense!

[@boboinc2956]

Have you seen? in Australia They are offering $10,000. off the price of MG EVs but only on 2023 models, Wonder why?

[@aeroearth]

Unlike in the UK Australia is a BIG country. So whilst EV's might be Ok in the 5 big cities, between city driving or going out west they are impractical.

[@robertedwards1543]

You'd also need add in the cost of a three course meal and overnight stay while you wait for the thing to charge 😂😂😂

[@josephberrie9550]

or the equivalent of three cups of starbucks coffee

[@Mrbobinge]

Comfortable overnight plus full English but then a full day of range-anxiety. Fewer overtaking spurts, go easy on headlights turn-indicators braking lights and in-car entertainment; all too elec thirsty. Limp to the next overnight.

[@romanpolanski4928]

@@Mrbobinge Don't forget the loss of range if you use AC or heating.

[@Captainblack710]

I got a mustang 5.0 GT, I don’t go far at all I just like the sound of that engine, it gives me goosebumps 😁

[@rosen9425]

Because reasons, do wo need anything else? 😁

[@rcmakingtracks18]

Nice to hear someone telling the truth to us the consumer... great job, keep it up... john

[@theodavies8754]

For chunky dividends move your investments to electricity distribution. If you have shed loads of spare cash you already know you can never save money with an EV. I own and drive a 4.0 V8 because I can't afford the cheapest battery powered POS.

[@howardmarriott7128]

I have a 12 year old £2500 (bought and paid for) 144,000 mile Skoda Rapid, it averages often 70mpg on the 50 mile commute to work. We have just come back from a drive down to Bordeaux and back 1765 trouble free miles at 70mpg, costing just over £130. Tell me again why I have to lease and never own an expensive EV? At 70mpg that works out at 10p per mile, not counting the depreciation which is negligible as it is almost as low as it will go. Second hand diesels are so reliable and so economical if driven carefully there is no argument for the EV, they are a red herring for the Elite industrialist to play us and control us. Wake up people.

[@paulr77]

I’m not converting to electric, I’m happy with my Alfa Romeo Mito diesel at 75 to 80mpg!

[@leighcarley2866]

Keep it. Had alfa rome 156 2.4jtd with 230k miles onit and still going . Just waiting for alfa stelvio 2.2jtd to be delivered. Will miss 156

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

I like Evs but i love a Ford Mustang GT V8

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

The Evs we have today are OK at best,but why would you buy something what is just okIf you can buy a much better Ev in maybe 5 years!Batterietech is moving so fast that todays Tech is soon obsolet,thats why Evs deprisiated so fast!

[@Sammy-lw1ns]

Sounds expensive, I'll stick to 300mpg in my EV

[@ohyesitsme]

@@Sammy-lw1ns What a great idea, an EV that is powered by petrol.

[@BrainfromSpain]

After seeing your video about the auction of classic cars I wonder why anyone would buy an overpriced new car! I'll stick with my 2006 Skoda VRS which I calculated I would have to drive for 20 years to produce as much CO2 as building an EV.....I think I might have turned green!

[@t2p]

As a mechanic i tried to tell em … get something proven or reliable …but they all wanna be “innovative” financial guinea pigs .. good luck 😂 Costs me less to run a 400 bhp classic AMG 😂

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

I hear you, and was in the same profession as you until I retired. I always laugh when people lament about any great car they once had. I tell them you had it and did not want it, now someone else is enjoying it,, silly you. The funny thing is most of these same people will never hunt down another one, how fickle they are and talk is cheap. My current car is soon approaching 20 years old and looks like new, she is a keeper.

[@t2p]

@@AllanT-nu4rw couldnt agree more.. i just sold the garage earlier in the year.. could see where it was all going, plastic everything, overpriced parts and availability issues along with the rising costs and the government sticking their oar in deeper than ever. So many old Hondas and classic Mercs lost to scrappage/ulez or people keeping up with the jones’s only then to be lumbered with a worse small engined turbo time bomb .. or a fridge on wheels … they proper took the joy out of driving…..i could on and on lol

[@Luka_3D]

What's more proven than a lithium ion cell and an electric motor? Basically every person on the planet owns at least one of each.

[@nnnn-mn8ud]

Its a bit like banks closing and being forced to use online banking - it will be EV or walk not EV vs PETROL cars.

[@brooke6848]

Last week I went to Tesco to do my weekly shop, I park towards back of the car park where nobody parks which just happens to be near the electric car chargers. There was one electric car charging (Mazda) with the driver sat in his car reading the newspaper, I went into Tesco did my weekly shop and he was still sat there charging his car when I was walking back to my car with my trolley. Next I went to the Tesco petrol station for a full tank of the good stuff (diesel) and the guy charging his Mazda was still sat there charging when I left petrol station I drove away with a smug look of my face. I did my weekly shop and filled my car with diesel quicker than he had charged his car. Seriously though who’s got the time to be sat around waiting for their car to charge and I’m sure most of us have got better things to be doing.

[@paulnewman9275]

17% of car sales are EV's ...but 93% of that 17% are fleet buyers and they are about to stop purchasing them.

[@therealdojj]

The takeaway here is that if you don't have a house with all the stuff you need to save £60 on a top up you well just have an expensive milk float sitting outside your concrete tower block with no parking slowed outside

[@Alantj22]

All the stuff is just a 13 Amp plug. Most people don't cover enough miles to need a home charger set up.

[@pda49184]

I'm sat at my desk in the ministry of transport reading 'The Telegraph'.. "Eureka!" I've just solved the problem with poor EV sales and all the excuses the plebs come up with of not complying to net zero. To level the playing field, we'll put up all the duties on fossil fuels so ICE driver have to pay more to make their journeys that any EV driver does. We'll treble the VAT of gas and use that income to subsidise people buying EV's .. Oh.. wait a second.. Is there any other pensioners perks we can cut and hand the savings to EV car dealers ?

[@aeroearth]

Until People finally wake up the to fact that there is no such thing as "human caused global warming/climate change" as tens of thousands of well qualified Physicists, Engineers, Geologists and Others have been saying since Day 1.

[@juliaogara8794]

Many a true word spoken in jest

[@diddyd8350]

Didn't I hear that they are going to bring in road tax next year for these e v' s ?

[@rbnhd1144]

@@diddyd8350 Road Tax should be based on the Weight of the car, heavier cars do more road damage and should Pay.

[@pda49184]

@@diddyd8350 I think there's going to be a lot more 'tax' piled on everything and possibly a pay per mile charge on 'all' cars both EV & ICE and maybe motorcycles. Bottom line is, as many have said, they don't want us driving in privately owned vehicles it seems. Best way to do that is price us, ( not the rich) off the roads one way or another.

[@SubjectRandom21]

There are some who already knew this about EVs but were called names. Look who's laughing now.

[@victorsong8416]

Count me in... I went in deep into the nityy-gritty details, engineering, manufacturing, economy/monetary factors, energy generation, disposal, availability of resources, etc., factoring in human psychology/behavior (a major component) and came to the conclusion six or seven(!) years ago, that EVs are at best, a NICHE MARKET, like Ferraris, Rolls Royces and the like are. I'm not some genius CEO of some behemoth vehicle company earning tens of $ millions per year. If I could do it - for nothing, but for my time, research and thinking - why couldn't THEY, for their millions?? I was called names, and an online car magazine banned me - and I still cannot post there... ...And my analysis at the time did not foresee the fires, the catastrophic depreciation, the lower reliability than ICE cars, the higher on-road charge cost than of gasoline, and the write-off of the car even after a minor accident = higher insurance.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

Electric cars were the first cars on the roads, but lost it to petrol ones. EV owners do pay vat when charging at home, but it's only 5%, and obviously no fuel duty.

[@davemitchell8756]

It’s cheaper in a 320d touring. Motorway cruising over 60 to the gallon. I can drive from West Yorkshire to Dolomites in Italy - just over 2 tanks of diesel. Euro 6 , lower co2 than a small petrol car. 17 plate approved used car with 34k miles third the price of a new electric. Car was just under the extra car tax threshold. Service costs reasonable using an independent specialist. Insurance less than half of equivalent electric car. Waiting for Govt tax raid. It will still make sense from environmental impact , convenience and cost. What a scam forcing motorists to change sooner than makes sense.

[@huffmanaviation7341]

It wont be long before the SMART meter knows what appliance is plugged in and adjust the cost of electricity accordingly for EVs

[@Sammy-lw1ns]

They literally do that right now....7p per Kwh charging all day

[@huffmanaviation7341]

@@Sammy-lw1ns it'll have its own fuel duty soon

[@Sammy-lw1ns]

@@huffmanaviation7341 if you say so. I'll keep enjoying travelling 1000 miles for £18.

[@John-t2v]

Imagine admiring your 60 grand shiny EV and all the time knowing that you will have to give it away to the scrap man in three years

[@aeroearth]

I don't think you'll be able to "give" your EV to the Scrapman. I am very sure you will be charged a "recycling" fee of several thousand to get rid of it.

[@DwaynePipes]

Are you saying that there are no EVs on the road currently over three years old because they have all gone to be scrapped?🤔

[@pkkerley6028]

NO no no, you won't give it away, you will be charged a huge amount of cash for them to dig a hole and bury it,

[@John-t2v]

@@DwaynePipes No i am saying that after three years you will not be able to live with the ridicule of being a mug

[@John-t2v]

@@aeroearth Good point i forgot the fact everyone involved with EV management is out to financially ruin you

[@keithrobinson5752]

The reality was the cost " savings " of EV was always time limited. And things will get worse because the tax on fossil fuels brings too much money into general government spending for it to be forgotten. Therefore once EV numbers hit significant numbers the tax man would come calling.

[@campervanman5340]

Has anyone noticed the rectangular burn marks on the road where an ev has burnt. The marks are completely different to an ICE burn mark and there are a lot more of them.

[@galloway9707]

Eh? Do you think the average EV weighs more than a campervan, or an ICE SUV?

[@michaelbrooks8332]

The batterys let of large amounts of basically undetectable toxic and infalamble gas when damaged and a lot of heat when charging and potential spikes

[@galloway9707]

Source please

[@Luka_3D]

You mean lead acid hydrogen outgassing? YOu do know these cars use a completely different chemistry right?

[@michaelbrooks8332]

@@Luka_3D no lions as well hence jaguar say do not charge inside or on vented areas,

[@Luka_3D]

@@michaelbrooks8332 They recommended people to charge their i-Pace cars outside not because of outgassing but because their packs were poorly designed. Basically any other ev doesn't have that problem

[@robertk1968]

Not talked about a lot , but there is an electromagnetic field emanating from these batteries and no study about the long term effects on your health sitting next to it for 2/3 hours or perhaps more everyday.

[@guardcharlie2576]

Exactly what I have been saying, imagine some serious issues may arise from this emf horror😢

[@Luka_3D]

Electromagnetic fields aren't dangerous to humans. You live in the earth's magnetic field ffs

[@organickevinlondon]

@@Luka_3D NO, he lives on another Planet.

[@Luka_3D]

@@organickevinlondon Dude is ahead of the curve and is already living on mars lmao

[@organickevinlondon]

@@Luka_3D he must have moved in there, without letting anyone else know about it, LOL.

[@classicrestouk]

Also, has anyone ever stopped to think why going "green" always seems to be more expensive than not? To me, it seems like a sales gimick on the boggest level.

[@howarddavies1471]

It's shocking it took the telegraph so long to get this story printed. The fact I would love to see is the cost per mile of vehicles exclusive of any duty . Evs would be 4 times as expensive . There have been several programs on the wonders of kia ,s new range however they start at 45k and rise to 70k. From a family suv

[@reggosse3901]

Hybrids still have batteries. Do not fall for the B.S.

[@PaulTC97]

15 hybrid cars have the same total amount of minerals as 1 EV

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

@@PaulTC97 And Diesels have none of them

[@williamwilliams8145]

In the days of horse and cart transitioning to cars. only the rich could afford a car. The same applies today, first you have to be rich enough to afford a house that allows you to have a charger, then there's the cost of the EV. As for the solar panels, during the day when those solar panels work you will be more likely to use the car so it won't be charging. But the excess power those panels make will be sold to the government for a peanuts. However at night when the solar doesn't work you will more likely be charging the car from the grid and paying a lot more for the electric than you sell it for.

[@AI-Records24]

Had an argument with a guy in a Tesla the other day, pulled along side me at the lights and tried to go past me. Unluckily for him I was running nearly 700bhp not even in high boost map, so he got smoked. And then again at the next lights. Then at the next set he starts going off on one saying it’s my fault he can’t get home now, absolutely delusional main character syndrome. It was the weirdest interaction I’ve ever had on the roads.

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

Apparently Tesla's have a well known fault that has been hushed up. Their braking system often brakes the car for no reason. These dangerous heaps of junk need banning from our roads as they often cause crashes because of it

[@40ny]

Great story!

[@fremenondesand3896]

also a fun fact about coal: We know it kicks up a fair bit of pollution. No one really bothers refining it, unless it's for domestic fires where you can get smokeless fuels (those might even be made from petroleum byproducts) and as a result, coal smoke chimneys end up kicking out more radioactive particles than nuclear power plants.

[@johntaylor5968]

They’re ok for nipping to the shops or into town but will never be any use as along distance vehicle and definitely not as a van or wagon.

[@RichJS2]

Carnt beat a 23 year old diesel 306 hdi doing 5 miles a day .full tank lasting 3 months between fill ups carnt complain cheap motoring 👍

[@crabsy6452]

When will they realise that using an ev for 2 or 3 years on fleet and then parking them on an airfield because nobody wants to but them, isnt good for the enviroment

[@drdarren666]

Had 2 EVs since 2019. There wont be a third.

[@murdoch451]

I remember my Dad going out after the rag and bone man with a shovel and a bucket and it went on the roses in the front garden, thats green energy for you. David UK.

[@anthonycumberpatch5439]

Get this Geoff, I was recently in my old home town in UK, someone had their car charging cables running across a public grassed area , across the public pavement to their car. Can you imagine multitudes of folk doing this, you off shopping in your wheel chair etc etc! Tis all madness. I only run old motorcycles by the way. Love the posts, keep the old machines folks 😂

[@miketherefurbisher8000]

Nice one Geoff!! As you know we will all be penalised in a minute, while the rest of the world gets away with murder!. Doesn't anyone realise that absolutely nothing we do in this little pin prick of an island will make the slightest bit of difference compared to the world as a whole. ❤It Geoff 👍

[@barrieshepherd7694]

No reason that public EV charging should be as expensive as it is other than profiteering by the companies that operate them. The government should just extend the Electricity Reselling Pricing rules that apply to domestic supplies to these EV charging companies. Petrol stations mange to operate without price gouging why can't EV chargers?

[@SuzSt.seer8]

Just the child slave labour for batteries turns me right off EV's😊

[@Sp_75-76]

Suz, do some research, any research

[@DwaynePipes]

Then you will also be turned off... Mobile phones Laptops Tablets Steel wall radial tyres Car airbags Paint Varnish Rechargeable power tools High grade steel used to extract oil. The question is though, are you?🤔

[@Sp_75-76]

@@DwaynePipes Add to your list the manufacture of Diesel, Petrol and catalytic converters

[@SuzSt.seer8]

Well I have a phone that's about it.

[@Sp_75-76]

@@SuzSt.seer8 Unfortunately very few people are like you!

[@sib923]

Much apprecition for the sunday video Geoff!" Much needed and much needed information analysis thank you!!

[@DerkHat]

It's 295 miles from Walthamstow to Penzance. My car has a real life range of about 180 miles. I'd charge about halfway on this journey, and enough charge to get me to Penzance would cost about forty quid at an MSA rapid charger. Where on earth have they got their figures from?

[@DerkHat]

Apart from which, nobody should be using rapid chargers exclusively, because it'll damage the battery. Using one occasionally on a long journey is no different to paying extra for fuel at an MSA.

[@Storminateacup85]

People like the street cred of owning a brand new car…reg plate. Got to keep up with the Jones. Instead of using common sense and fighting back I believe it’s beneath them plus the fact they can not see what is actually happening in front of their eyes. Laughable really!

[@rbnhd1144]

Here in America Tesla's are sold as puzzy magnets.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Twice as expensive, three times as long and ten times the stress😧

[@declanbrady5172]

I drive an EV for work (personal car is a petrol Mazda CX5). My EV costs 89p PKWM. It takes 1 hour to charge has a shit range of only 161 miles. Go on the Motorway that range drops to 150 as soon as I hit 70mph. Spend more than 10 mins at 70 and it drops to 135 miles, put the AC on it drops another 20 miles. I loose 2-3 hours a week in productivity, it costs me several quid buying coffee or a maccie D's whilst I'm waiting. I'm always worried about whether I have enough range to get to my next destination. What is so good about EV's??? PS Like thousands and thousands of other people home charging is not an option.

[@paranoidozzy1970]

Would anybody buy a second hand battery off a guy at a car boot sale for their makita drill they rely on for work 😮 hhmmm probably not

[@MrKingdudsbury]

A massive chunk of those new registrations for EV's are dealers pre registering cars to avoid being fined for non sales. Corsa EV on Autotrader advertised with delivery mileage was actually 2 years old and had been discounted by 45%!!

[@jisoopark5021]

Costs me 5p per mile on electricity bill for my Nissan Leaf, 0p when sun shining on my solar panels. £0 road tax (£20) next year. Insurance is less than my diesel car, servicing is minimal, no oil, filters, coolant. 12v battery and brakes have never needed replacing in 70k miles. As a second car for a house with a driveway EVs are a no brainier. Bought mine for £5k

[@chrism8705]

I don't like waiting for my phone to charge why would I want to sit in my car for hours waiting for a car to charge it's stupid

[@gtpete6363]

Waiting "hours" is absolute rubbish

[@chrism8705]

@@gtpete6363 no it's not

[@SeismicEvent]

When the government incentives, using taxpayers' money stops, then buying EVs is not an attractive alternative, then manufacturers and dealers start losing out. Why are taxpayers always clobbered with tax for the net zero agenda, even though some don't actually own or drive a car.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

The manufacturers are being fined £15k per ICE car sold out of quota.

[@SeismicEvent]

@G-ra-ha-m Then this, I guess, is because of government obsession, not just in the UK, with the net zero agenda. So they make everyone pay, it seems, regardless of their individual lifestyle. Sounds like the scam of the century to me.

[@davidkmatthews]

"Incentive" is just a euphemism for "bribe". And, as you say, it's done via taxation. So we are being bribed with what was our own money in the first place!

[@Ariella-mx3xq4cw6n]

We don't need Net Zero. To feed the world we need an increase in CO2. CO2 is plant food. With healthy plants we get more O2

[@Treehuntor]

i have said this before but comment keeps getting removed - new car sales are down because no one wants a car with a speed limiter

[@melvinplant8637]

You can turn it off.

[@Mrmaddog]

Brazil is chopping down the rain forest at the size of Wales every year and here in the UK which produces 1% of global emissions and we are being forced into "net zero"..🥴

[@Stuntman707]

I know someone who had an EV and was spending twice as much on charging as they did on fuel. And winter just made it worse as the car lost range in the cold.

[@sardav160479]

The electric car is older than the petrol car but like back then petrol and diesel engines are better

[@SlartibartfastTheFourth]

How is an EV worse when it uses the energy stored three times more efficiently than a petrol or diesel car !? How is an EV worse when it doesn’t pump out class one carcinogens from an exhaust everyone breaths in as you drive past them !? How is an EV worse when it has far less moving parts , with far less to go wrong ,and will save you money in the long run maintenance wise ? The number of schools by very roads in this country is a disgrace . Petrol and diesel exhausts are very damaging to the developing lungs of children .

[@klassicracer]

​@@SlartibartfastTheFourth batteries don't give off toxic fumes? Just hope and pray your wonderfully clean EV doesn't combust outside a school...

[@garyballard179]

​@klassicracer It's a bot. This was it's first ever post.

[@SlartibartfastTheFourth]

@@garyballard179 no I’m not a bot - is that a classic answer when proving how lethal petrol and diesel exhausts are to human beings health !!!?

[@garyballard179]

@@SlartibartfastTheFourth That's a typical bot argument.

[@markmottershead646]

Aren’t paying tens of thousands for solar panels just of way for us to subsidise the energy companies?

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

We had an incentive to install panels and sell the generated energy back into the grid. Once many people took the plunge, the power company quickly figured out that paying a sudden influx of new owners, was taking away a large portion of their revenue so they killed that program. Only those already grandfathered in can continue now, so your current investment in anything solar is all at the owners expense. The green con continues, not to mention the limited lifespan of the panels.

[@rbnhd1144]

@@AllanT-nu4rw and the possible roof damage on homes, I hope people have to pay to dispose of solar panels, you know its coming, there is no free lunch.

[@markmottershead646]

@@AllanT-nu4rw - And what do you do with your excess energy if you not on the old tariff? Share it with a neighbour might be a good idea

[@AllanT-nu4rw]

@@markmottershead646 now YOU have to foot the bill for some batteries to store it and use it accordingly. Selling power to your neighbour who has no solar system installed is all fine and dandy until you are caught doing it. Some countries have strict laws against selling electricity from private sources.

[@markmottershead646]

@@AllanT-nu4rw - 🤯 they really don't want us to win - or even survive

[@Alex.V70]

EV, no thanks!

[@deanwellman4744]

A couple of years ago I treated myself to a new old car, its an S type 2.7 Jag diesal, I wasn't concerned about running costs as I'm due to retire and just wanted to buy a cheap comfy old Cruiser to tour the country while I still can, it's now 20 years old, and it's blooming brilliant! I drove from Dorset to John O'groats and back over satorday and Sunday, had an indicated 47 to the gallon and a range of 700 miles per tank, it hasn't missed a beat, straight through the mots, as it turns out it's cheap to run, yes the tax is steep (£400) but insurance is £200, which is about £1.65 a day. Other than servicing I haven't spent a penny. I'll stick with Ice vehicles, no electric cars for me thanks!

[@Flossy_tops]

I've got no problem with Evs in the right situations. But in my opinion "Self generation" is the only way forward. As for me I'll be long gone before the right Ev comes along.