Ghosts In Depth - MSBS is OP (Overpowered Assault Rifle Review)

[@definitelyarussianpaidtrol1406]

0.067s... When the guns TTK is faster than your internet... You don't even know what hit you...

[@raulfrd14mw2]

kills in one burst: It's OP! kills in two burst: it sucks!

[@tristar1908]

Ikr it’s mid

[@JustSendMeLocationPlease]

A burst weapon is supposed to be able to kill you in one burst at least at its maximum damage range. The issue is the rate of fire of the burst as well as only needing 2 shots to kill instead of 3. Let’s compare this to the M8A7 from BO3. Similar rate of fire but the M8 is faster. But… the MSBS needs half as many shots to kill. That’s insanity.

[@rensvanderhoeven9440]

'' the iron sights are a sin against humanity '' LOL XD

[@phillipamorris422]

I actually love them... like better than ak love them.

[@braydenhaines5456]

Hey driftor, can you take a picture of the iron sights to show us and then we can see if we like them or not. This will help me since a lot of the iron sights you like I don't and vice versa

[@vyke2107]

Brayden Haines, looks like a sin against humanity.

[@brgulker]

The entire premise of this video is invalid. It assumes that every burst is hitting, and every bullet in the burst is hitting. Except for the very best players in the world, this simply isn't the case. All of your charts are rendered invalid because of this very simple point. It's videos like this that influence developers, because you have so many subs, and all those subs will whine. That is a shame.

[@official_tony_the_tiger]

Spam the trigger

[@TheZombiejohn75]

I really do not care how "OP" his weapon is. Run and gun players get crapped on every match by talent-less quickscopers, so having something that will at least give someone an edge against scrub snipers is okay by me. When they nerf this weapon, they need to nerf sniping and at least slow down mobility.

[@sixthcore]

Totally with you.

[@guvnoir23]

I'm with you too. I don't understand the desire to have all weapons equally mediocre. Sure the MSBS is a strong assault rifle, but you need weapons like this for the new players to compete. Even for good players, It's not like you can simply pick this weapon up and get KEM strikes every time.

[@Will_Bruce]

If sniping is so talent-less then I am just curious to the answers of these four things. 1) Why do a majority of players run around with AR's? Most people tend to use whats easiest, so why not use the snipers instead of AR's? 2) Why aren't there thousands of sniper KEM's on KZbin as opposed to other gun types? 3) Why didn't they ban snipers in competitive? They usually ban OP things that take no skill. 4) Do you personally do better with snipers than with any other gun? Is your overall K/D stats for your snipers better than all your other guns?

[@ufcmania127]

They actually named this gun after the xboxone Msbs=Microsoft Bullshit

[@Skreeze_Nuts]

Better than the gaystation 4

[@Exekutioncro]

I cant agree with you Driftor. To the fact that it is a burst fire weapon it is not op. It becomes op in the hands of GOOD players, with some above average accuracy. Or in other words, if you have real skill use the msbs, because a noob will never make so many bullets hitting the target as you will. This is not an attack against players who use full auto assault rifles, its just the thing that even a noob can outspray you , even if he has no skills. If you cant bring your first burst into the target, in most cases youre dead. So basically this gun is just op in some killsfull hands. You cant allow yourself to miss a bust in low to medium range, and at long rage you have to have even more skill to beat for example a remginton r5 or a sc2010.

[@sanddragonrain]

***** You're trying to act smart. No player is the same, so saying "Exactly" is useless. Please, re-write your statement to make sense.

[@timothyrevere5512]

I couldn't agree anymore with the the fact that in the wrong hands this wouldn't matter if it was a good gun or not, however there are not a lot of bad players in cod ghost, nor would a bad player even think to use the msbs because all the bad players are to busy using LMG's. Only a good player would know to use the msbs because a good player knows how the game works especially when there is a gun as good as this,and the fact that it is a burst fire is completely irrelevant to the situation because it kills a person in this one burst. Therefore your argument is really just quite silly

[@PernixUltor]

This is like the Type 95 from MW3, it is op. But come on, I can tell from your comment this is one of your favorite guns, admit it.

[@timothyrevere5512]

i actually don't like this gun for a stupid reason and this is because of the way it ads's idk it just feels weird to me...

[@carsonfehler328]

its an opinionated video, you don't have to agree with it if you don't want to.

[@escape093]

The MSBS is BS.

[@MrSpicyFtw]

Makes Shit and BullShits

[@travisberry4777]

just great. the last thing we need is another type 95. ugh.

[@TheDarkForce187]

COD4 M16, the original Type 25 XD

[@bmxisgoodforyou]

Elite_Scum cod4 m16 is nowhere near OP.

[@xqt6339]

***** yes it was.

[@Hostilityyy]

***** The AK 47 in cod 4 was the most op, still is.

[@TJskillz169]

Sikh Phreak Almost every assault rifle in CoD 4 was a 2 shot kill. Your point is what again?

[@Imabanana847]

Lol this gun is literally the exact same thing as the Type 95 from mw3. If you go back and watch drift0r's ep that he did on that, they do the exact same damage. 3-round burst with 55 dropping all the way down to 20.

[@matearosie]

He even said that in the vid. And yeah I know this comment is 3 years old.

[@DARKGORZ]

There are BIGGER PROBLEMS with this game than the guns. Nerfing ANYTHING right now, or even at all, is going to make things worse. The BIGGEST PROBLEM with this game right now is the spawn system. If we start nerfing shit, we're going to quickly end up with the same garbage we had in Black Ops 2.

[@jordannoell4222]

DARKGORZ Black ops 2 actually had a pretty decent spawn system. The game kinda sucked because attachment and gun choices were less then most other cods. It is just that there were only 1 or 2 viable perk and attachment sets for each class. It had very little variety.

[@DARKGORZ]

Darkness Reigns The spawns weren't the problem I was referring too. The weapon nerfs were so bad in Black Ops 2 that the game degraded into an LMG and sniper circle jerk. I do NOT want to see a repeat of that in Ghosts, especially when the game has sooo much potential.

[@Cakin]

Agreed.

[@Cakin]

Darkness Reigns He isn't talking about Black Ops 2 spawns at all, reread his comment.

[@ninhbac04]

IW is good about not making guns useless. the op guns get a nerf but they are usually usable after the nerf. the striker was nerfed but it's still a beast.

[@thekingbradable]

I was watching one of scump's gameplays the other day. There was a point where he got killed by a guy with the msbs so fast I thought he was sniped.

[@FatalREM]

Depending on your connection, a lot of the time the MSBS looks like a one shot kill in kill-cams. It's extremely frustrating.

[@297fihsy]

Definitely agree drift0r, I recommend fix 1, it would make this gun more in line with the M8 (except 3 shots per burst instead of 4), and I'd be okay with that. A burst fire gun should be about med-long distance accuracy, it should not be the best shotgun in the game

[@Mikemikes320]

MSBS top damage is 55, it's headshot multiplier is 1.4. 55x1.4=77, deadeye adds a chance for a 1.4 multiplier to a shot from your gun. 77x1.4=107.8. THE MSBS IS TECHNICALLY A ONE SHOT KILL!

[@S1eth]

Drit0r, you are not correct about the fire rate. The burst fire rate of the MSBS is 895 and the fire rate of the FAD is 882 ON PAPER. In reality, every weapon with a firerate between 720 and 899 RPM ends up shooting at about 720 RPM, especially if you play on 60 FPS (= on console). In other words, you'll see the FAD and MSBS shoot at around the same RPM as the SC-2010, maybe a little faster sometimes, but never with 895 PRM.

[@hauntedxxshadow]

wtf that is a humongous rounding error for fire rate why the hell dont they fix this???

[@thefairfaxian]

After the shitty spawning, super camping, awful maps, death by being shot from the back, and squad point paywall for EVERYTHING, the only way anyone is getting a positive K/D ratio is to use the MSBS.

[@PrimeHunter3195]

It freaking irritates me that people do that. Use overpowered weaponry to get a edge over everybody else. If you must do that, and not have the will to work on fundamentals such as sticking to cover, flanking and proper aiming, then I believe you shouldn't even play CoD. If you are getting destroyed in the game, why can't anyone simply practice more, or play maps alone to figure out good routes that go around the enemy rather than sit in a corner or use OP guns? Use guns that fit you, that you like, instead of guns that you know are broken. I hate those kinds of abusers...In a above comment I said I used all the 3 round burst guns in every CoD game as my staple weapon- The MSBS being no exception. But until its patched, I refuse to use a drastically cheap weapon. I know I need that edge over all the other players, but I'm confident in my skills- its not the gun that makes the player in my opinion. The player makes the player. Having a versatile arsenal and using every gun and being good with them is what I do.

[@jkc877]

R Ramses You can't flank when the game spawns enemies behind you and in front of you. The concept of flanking is dead since spawning is random. Also, most people as of this time have resorted to camping tactics in TDM. From high k/d players to 0.5 k/d players, everyone has a silencer on and are hiding in buildings with Amplify/dog or proning on roofs with a thermal marksman/sniper. Everyone knows that rushing as a strategy is dead. The more people camp, the more people will eventually join in. I'm willing to bet you by January that the most common complaint about Ghosts is that it is slow-paced and boring because you either can't find anyone or killing people that run into your line of sight in a room is boring whether you do GOOD or BAD k/d-wise. People are going to be quitting COD in droves for Titanfall and other games.

[@thefairfaxian]

R Ramses "work on fundamentals"? "simply practice more"? You're acting like we're talking about Battlefield. There have only been at best two CoD games that required some skill, being CoD 4 and BO1. And I remember how the majority of the CoD Community was bitching about how those games were "boring". And most of the CoD Big Timers you all worship (Drift0r excluded) got their fame by using cheap tactics like camping, spawn killing, and overusing OPed weapons.

[@PrimeHunter3195]

No. I'm acting like we're talking about Call of Duty. I did say CoD..i don't know where battlefield came from... What I meant is that CoD needs common sense to play properly. No, I don't care if BF is bigger and in a larger scale. CoD, or at least Ghosts requires some (however minute) strategies. I practiced routes and tested out guns- to get a feel with what I like or not. You must think I'm some sort of child that loves watching Ali-A or TmarTn, checking their cheesy vids on "how to play better". No. I practiced in this game, like any game or activity that is of a competitive nature requires. I have a defensive/rushing playstyle that I've been using ever since the days of CoD 4, something that took a few CoD games to get right. Look at most kids playing CoD. Their 6-20 gameplays are either because they camped or their intuition/judgement is not developed enough compared to more mature players. Fact.

[@PrimeHunter3195]

You're right, rushing is indeed dead, and this game will be, possibly as you said by January, dead too because the "noobs" will finally realize that sitting in corners is the right thing to do. But flanking is still a legit tactic. I for one, NEVER go into the middle of the map unless its Domination. I always hug the sides of the map, and pick off any stragglers. In doing this, I am essentially "rushing", as well as flanking, because I'm going around the action. Adapting to the playstyles of others also makes you better. (Sorry if I sound lame :P)

[@Outfrost]

Some info: the MSBS (which stands for Modularny System Broni Szturmowej) comes from Poland and is a brand new design for the Polish Army. It's made both in a classic and bullpup version. I don't see Polish guns in video games frequently, and the MSBS is a neat addition to Ghosts. However, I do see the point with it being OP. Now, I like guns to be realistic to a degree, and I don't think that raising the RPM would do a good job, since the real thing shoots at ~750 rounds per minute. Making it a spam gun also isn't great, because it would simply destroy the feeling of the MSBS. My idea is to leave its damage boundaries and multipliers as they are, shorten the 2-shot-kill range by 30% (to about 19m), shorten the 3-shot-kill range by 15% (to about 35m), while increasing the initial kick of a burst (or the overall recoil) a little bit, and leaving everything else as it is. This would definitely turn down the rifle's power, yet not killing its feel. I'm totally against considering a gun only as a part of a class - each one has some characteristics, which should be kept in mind when adjusting the stats. I just hope IW thinks the same...

[@Outfrost]

The comment above contains my suggestion on fixing the problem. [just in case someone thought tl;dr - please, read it]

[@Arkstellar]

I think the MSBS could be very simply balanced, just by limiting its 2-shot kill range to close-range only. Basically, if the game is right in your face (5-10m?), then it's 2-shots to kill, just so this burst rifle isn't completely useless in close-quarters. Any range further than that, make it 3 shots to kill.

[@Outfrost]

After watching this video, I played with the MSBS quite a lot, and all I have to say, is that it isn't much superior to the other guns. Sure I like the gun, and it suits me a bit better than the others, but I'm just as lucky with it as with other ARs/carbines - one game I get stats like 7-12, the next one it can be 19-7. Summing up, I don't consider this weapon OP. staticks

[@billrad9]

Drift0r - a suggestion in these videos you have always mentioned SHOT / Kill Range numbers - I think it would be beneficial if you visually showed what 30M or 42M looks like in game kind of similar to how you show recoil spread. Just a thought. Great job on these!!

[@manny75586]

Driftor...your own video belies all of the reasons the MSBS is 'OP'. Look especially to the end of the video when you pick up the AK. The MSBS can't strafe at all. You knew this intuitively if not consciously when you were playing because you didn't strafe once with it. The second you picked up the AK you were jumpshotting (another MSBS deficiency) and strafing with it. So yes, it is 'OP' in the sense that it kills faster than everything but snipers (but something has to right?) on paper, but it is an anchor weapon. Rushing with the MSBS is going to have people strafing around you while you try to fire 4 bursts. As you did almost every time in this video. I think I saw you one burst 3 people and they were all up in your face which is instakill with any weapon where you get the drop on someone) So yes, it can beast on someone if they walk into the reticle and they aren't strafing or they don't see you. They are dead. But if you set up a test where you camped and people walked randomly into your reticle with ANY gun, that person is dead before they react anyway.

[@slayjah2]

Only inside a range of five feet would this make a difference because I can aim my gun across the screen much faster than someone with an smg can run. And in really extremely close quarters combat, like I said above, it might make a difference because a person could possibly run right past you and you'll get confused but still, only VERY close quarters.

[@ninhbac04]

Good point Manny this gun does have it's downfalls. it's quick to kill but only if i'm aiming down sight first then i'll win the gun fight. this is the only gun i use and jump shotting is near impossible with it. you really have to have to aim to effectively use the weapon. Rushers can't use it because they won't be able to get their aim on point before they die. it's a great gun but you have to play properly for it to be op.

[@Cakin]

Preaaaach!

[@ninhbac04]

iMW3BK word

[@PrimeHunter3195]

In all the CoD games I own (CoD 4 BO1, BO2, MW3 and Ghosts) I mainly use the 3 round burst rifles because they were my favorite. The M8A1 from BO2 was preferred over the SWAT-556 to me, but every burst rifle in any CoD game was my top weapon. Collectively, all those guns were not overpowered (MW3's M16 was garbage, but functional-BO1's M16 was strong but not OP) This said, I feel that the MSBS is completely overpowered compared to past guns in the series. To me, the SWAT 556 is comparable in damage that the MSBS outputs in close to medium range, but if a player popped on Muzzle Brake, that strength is increased to long range. Coupled with Quickdraw, and a RDS, this gun is a long range Remington MCS from Black Ops 2, easily allowing any unlucky player to have plenty of deaths. Never have I had this problem with the burst rifles. Now that the silencer doesn't reduce damage, I've seen whole clans play with only that gun suppressed with Red Dot. Most of those matches have the opposing team having bad scores, like 46-10. Unlike all the burst rifles I used, this damn gun has no weaknesses, statisically. Before anyone downplays this comment, with the exception of BO1 (First CoD game I really played) I've had a consistent 2.2 K/D, so I know what I'm saying. IW needs to nerf this gun NOW. The spam is getting out of hand and will likely get worse.

[@Pyrusic]

Just lower the initial damage to 45. Instead of the two hits required to kill, it'll take 3 or 2 including a headshot. If you don't miss, you get a quick kill. But if you do miss, you get turned on and killed before your second burst can fire. Lesser-experienced players would find it hard to use and the gun would reward skill more proportionally.

[@TheStrictism]

This gun needs a simple nerf: the 2-shot kill range must be reduced to around 15 meters. That's called balancing, everyone else here seems to want this gun made shittier than the original M16A4 from MW3

[@hurtinalbertan3553]

One does not simply ask why cod does what it does haha. It's been two years since mw3 and in that time there is no theatre, no secondary camo, no emblem creator, character customization is a joke, you don't get the knife as a secondary and most importantly lag compensation is worse than ever and the spawns have never been so fucked up. I enjoy the game yes, but it's just silly how they took theatre out and still haven't addressed lag at all or the spawns I can live without the customization stuff (even tho it makes the game much more original.......well at least your character). I do like the msbs tho I just hate getting killed before my brain can even process what going on or I get spawned behind

[@Oceanmanta]

well said dude saying what alot of us are thinking!

[@THEVIERAOS]

ik theatre was taken out because it will be unnecessary on the nextgen consoles. As for everything else i agree it was sort of a step backwards

[@Hiqquz]

Mostly agree but I havent noticed any awful lag comp yet. Idk, maybe its just me

[@Tibovl]

I really miss theatre. If anyone knows Vanossgaming they'll know that the BO2 vids with theatre where much funnier than these without. :(

[@S1eth]

Nahuel Viera Money whoring Activision. That's the only reason there's no theatre mode.

[@CamoCam0]

why not just keep everything the same but lower the 2 shot kill range to something like 10% of what is is now. and yes 10% is just a random number I pulled out of thin air I'm sure there would be a better way to work out a more fair range but 2 out of 3 shots doesn't sound unreasonable when you consider that at that range your main weakness will be shotguns and smg's that can both out hip fire you and have better ads times usually.

[@VanpyroGaming0]

it now has a worse hip fire than other AR's, lower fire rate, lower damage but head and chest multipliers like AR's with the burst and semi-auto attachment, lower range and more kick. Balanced.

[@MrJz120]

same fire rate, slightly less 2 shot kill range, still kills in 2 shots to the chest. same recoil overall, still kills in three bullets at medium distance. It is a higher skill gun now with 25-30% accuracy it is awesome.

[@Mann0802]

I know people hate this gun but they sure didn't hate the COD 4 M16. That gun killed in 2-3 shots with Stopping Power with virtually no recoil while firing the bursts with little delay. The good old days. Stopping Power brought some balance to the game regardless of what people say. Ever since they took it out after MW2, there has been problems in every game with OP guns.

[@itsFisch]

Cos everyone blamed Stopping Power for dying so quickly and not the guns. And then they themselves started using stopping power. Then everything was fine and dandy. So moral of the story, can't beat them, join them; use the damn gun. Unless you can't use burst rifles for shit.

[@bloop150]

And people wouldn't be sneaking around because they'd have to take off stopping power, put on a suppressor (doing min. damage all over the place), and then sacrifice a possibly useful yellow perk for dead silence, so your UAVs were actually useful

[@ZSSFeeds]

I really enjoyed CoD 4 and 5 because of the Stopping Power and Juggernaut perks. You basically got to choose whether you wanted to be more of a tank, or more of a nuker. It is weird to think that those perks brought balance to the game, but it's definitely true.

[@Mann0802]

bloop150 That's another major point you bring up is that few people used silencers or a Cold Blooded type perk when it shared the perk tier with Stopping Power. Stopping Power was the best counter to that type of perk there ever was. Not to say no one used it, but there was a variety. Most people showed up on the Radar when they fired and I miss that. More crazy and less tactical style gameplay.

[@Mann0802]

ZSSFeeds Ah Juggernaut...arguably the most hated COD perk of all time. You can thank the MP40 Jug users on WaW for that never returning. I didn't mind it so much, but instead of Juggernaut, they gave us Painkiller as a deathstreak. Way worse than Jug ever was.

[@tristan6265]

This weapon reminds me of the SVU with burst attachment

[@heyimmysteriousman1277]

Tristan H burst attachment is such a dumb thing to use on semi autos. You essentially create a worse version of the msbs when you can just go use the msbs

[@sheepdawg23wm]

If this gun were so easy to use, then everyone would be using it. There is a reason very few ppl use 3 shot burst guns, you need superior accuracy. Also, this gun recoils so hard at anything over 40m that if you aim at a guys chest, the third shot will be over his head, and if you don't correct your aim, the next burst is completely over his head. In my opinion, this gun is only effective on the smaller maps, and then it will start getting getting into gunfights with smg's, where its seriously in trouble.

[@NathanaelNaused]

75 percent of gun fights aren't over 40m

[@mcgarner1992]

Id say this gun is very good but not OP. Think about the FAD up close or the ARX160, they both will destroy you up close just like the MSBS. Yet they can spam the fully automatic but the MSBS has a burst delay. Idk. It's a fun gun to use and it's very good but burst rifles aren't for everyone.

[@TheSpedy21]

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[@RushyoRifle]

Do an quick in depth of danger close, also the 3 round burst on marksman rifles

[@FatalREM]

RTGaming69 It's like that for all of the Marksman rifles.

[@FatalREM]

They do, but not quite enough to make them balanced. I think if they had a little bit more recoil whilst in burst fire, they would be fine. Right now, the MR-28 is a laser cannon with the ability to pick people off at any range with ease.

[@RushyoRifle]

It had a bit of recoil, but if you hit your first burst it does not really matter

[@FatalREM]

Either a fire-rate decrease or a recoil increase and they'll be balanced. Except for the SVU. That one is relatively balanced as it is, with it's low fire-rate and high recoil.

[@RushyoRifle]

ZehRonnehD I think lowering the burst fire rate will help I felt the time between burst was good

[@codylramey]

The MSBS is like Quickscoping. Its only op in skilled hands. The average player cant grab this gun and melt ppl the way Driftor does simply bc they dont have tha aiming skills that he does. You miss the first burst and you are going against a guy with full auto that is some what competent with this gun then hes gonna hose you down. Im on an average skill level, maybe below average on this game bc i have trouble getting use to spotting and tracking ppl bc of the change in graphic styles from BO2, but i cant use this gun effectively. But thats just my opinion.

[@codylramey]

***** I mean ive hit ppl with partial bursts on that gun and it didnt drop them. You have to be dead on from the begining of the burst and be able to stay on target for at least half of the burst to drop them. But then again i was using the thermal scope with it. I have yet to use the red dot sight with it. I thought that since the gun can perform in far and closer ranges that was the most appropriate scope to use but it seems like it has accuracy issues. By that i mean the cross hairs will be dead on and i would still miss all my shots. It happens with my marksman rifle too.

[@codylramey]

***** Haha im use to dying fast. In BO2 i played hardcore to get away from the quickscopers. But the graphics and all are getting to me a little still. Its getting better but it still feels weird to me. If you want to rush play cranked, its a lot of fun. But i havent seen a lot of camping yet, just one guy in a game today. Unless you count snippers camping in a window. But thats a legit play style. And id prefer a sniper to camp and hardscope me than to run around and quickscope me.

[@natejc93]

He looked at this from a purely number perspective. Yes, you are correct, but he did this analysis through a controlled experiment where he assumed everyone had the same skill set. This is how he was able to get those time to kill numbers and frame numbers. Trust me dude, I would suck if I tried to use this weapon, but it is OP. And Drift0r backed up this claim by holding other variables constant while testing one. It's basic scientific experimentation.

[@codylramey]

Nate Cordova Well i would agree that it is OP if you are looking at purely numbers. 2 hit kill is faster than any gun except shot guns and sniper rifles. But it does take skill to use, and not just anyone can take advantage of its OP nature. Also i havent seen many ppl using this gun despite everyone saying its OP so its not that big of a problem YET. With that being said i also wouldnt disagree with seeing it nerfed. But i think that if it became a 3 hit to kill weapon it would be greatly underpowered and outclassed in all ranges unless they increase the spamability of the bursts. So something like slowing the ads time and making hipfire completely useless would nerf its close range capabilities, forcing ppl to use it for mid to far range in camping situations. I think that would be the best approach to balancing this gun IMO.

[@codylramey]

***** Im not quite sure what u mean by it died. Whether the skill required died thus it doesnt take skill anymore or QSing itself died. I can tell you this, if you think QSing is gone in ghost you are going to be in for a HUGE surprise. Its not a problem yet, but we dont have the Christmas noobz in yet. Im not a QSer but i have practiced it in BO2 and Ghost in bots, and its scary how much easier it was in Ghost. I was able to get WAY more kills by QSing in ghost than in BO2. The bots on both games were set on recruit, but it seems to be the opinion of everyone that the Ghost AI for its bots are much harder to beat and much smarter in their decisions. Ive even heard ppl say that a bot QSd him. So if you thought QSing was bad in BO2, CoD ghost is going to be a shitstorm as soon as the xmas noobs are done tryharding and start QSing.

[@DarkCatalystBN6]

In my opinion these, in order, are the top 5 most OP guns in Ghosts 1. AK-12 2. Honey Badger 3. Mtar-X 4. Vector 5. MSBS

[@Spanxxxy]

What's funny is I never got upset dying to the famas in MW2. I think the issue with the type95 in MW3 and the MSBS in Ghosts has to do with the map designs. MW2 had so many flanks and close quarters that the AA12 would be pretty strong. MW3 had so many hallways to ADS and so does Ghosts.

[@ddubsakadl]

I agree with what someone said below, don't change any guns or anything until the spawns are taken care of. With the maps being as gigantic as they are, there is no reason people should be spawning right in front of/behind other people. Its absolutely ridiculous... it makes you wonder if they even tested the game before releasing it.

[@DARKGORZ]

THANK YOU. The problem is revenge spawning; the vets of CoD weren't fed kills, we got our ASSES KICKED before we learned. Let the n00bs have the same thing; it's part of the game. DOWN WITH N00B CRUTCHES.

[@luckygozer]

DARKGORZ revenge spawning? am i the only one whose problem with the spawns is not people spawning behind me facing me but me spawning infront of people that are sometimes even already shooting at me? i mean especially on a map like strikezone you play dom or blitz i dont think the spawns even change for the first 15 seconds i litteraly rushed to the enemys blitz point kill 3 guys and watched someone spawn in right infront of me

[@DARKGORZ]

luckygozer No joke: 1-8 on Warhawk. FOUR OF THOSE DEATHS WERE OFF OF THE SPAWN. The other stupid death was a person running straight at me, and me getting no hitmarkers.

[@EvErLoyaLEagLE]

I applaud you for your opinions about this weapon. I agree that in many ways that the MSBS is OP. But don't forget the one major downside of using a burst-fire weapon: if you miss your first burst, in the delay time before the next burst, your opponent may still be able to beat you in a straight gunfight. So it is not "completely" OP, keep that in mind.

[@LurnWell]

I Agree, EXACTLY. We'll be discussing this point every COD if people don't get this point. # bursts and Marksman rifles will always kill the fastest, because there is no room for error. Anyone with a low accuracy should definitely take heed to your words. They'll be surprised with how often they actually miss during shootouts.

[@tomdabomb16712]

i miss 90% of my first shots on cod. so i will always miss my 1st burst with this gun. its for good players

[@EvErLoyaLEagLE]

you must have been hip firing it at a extremely long range, rather than ADSing at a short range.

[@gorworrgamingpainting6936]

I usually don't make comments on these things. But this doesn't need to be nerfed. You can easily get out gunned using this weapon. If you miss one bullet in your first burst your usually dead if the guy your shooting sees you. Many other guns kill you quickly an are more accurate. At a long range you usually need three burst because the recoil usually makes you miss two shots Also I think the iron sights are the balance on this. You can't use a silencer ethier because then you need two burst. Your always on radar The gun is good but I'd rather be off radar with a honey badger

[@procritic09]

Focus is absolutely essential on this gun. If you miss your first burst due to flinch, you're as good as dead. Focus lets you stay on target even if your enemy gets the first round on target, and the superior TTK will let you come out on top.

[@Precourser1]

I realize this comment will be flagged for spam, but I don't care, I just want to let off some speed. Drift0r, this is why Infinity Ward put the Type 95 back in the game, they don't care if people like the game they made. All they care about is if the game sells, which it did. For more proof of this, have you seen the PC version of the game? It simply doesn't work. You can't get through a single MP game without a crash, or similar involuntary force-leaving action. If you want to look at a CoD maker that actually cares about it's fan-base, go look at Treyarc. They actually tried to innovate with both Black Ops and Black Ops II. The PC port was amazing for Black Ops II, as they put in a fully fledged options menu, complete with FOV slider, and the game was well optimized. I know CoD is not Crysis, or The Witcher, etc., when it comes to visuals, but Black Ops II looked DAMN GOOD on full settings. CoD Ghosts runs like literal shit, and looks like it too. I won't be getting CoD Ghosts, but you can bet for damn sure I'll be pre-ordering the next CoD from Treyarc, for PC, as the next Battlefield game won't come out next year, but the next CoD will. Note: I used to play on Xbox 360, and I still have all my games and console, but I switched to PC for one reason. I just have a better gaming experience on PC, with higher settings, resolutions, and frames-per-second, than I do on the Xbox. I fucking played the shit out of Black Ops II for Xbox 360, because I didn't have the computer I have now. But, I honestly haven't even turned on my console in the past month. I live in a subburb of Seattle, so all my friends are kids of Microsoft employees, but I don't care. I just want to play on PC, if only for the sole fact that it provides at better gaming experience that the console. Oh, and PS4 > Xbox One. Yeah, I just said that. Come at me Microsoft!

[@NightmareFuelsYou]

You tryin to die today brah? Lol

[@Dopex90]

what? it works perfectly on my PC. if you don't use a frame limiter or the build in 90 cap, that's just low. & vsync OFF ofc - causes lag. graphics look nice with image quality on "extra". I like it when a game is a little nasty by the way. doing things manually reminds me of CS back in the days I use a FOV tool and deleted all the drama music files. I understand why people get pissed about no options though, but it's nothing you can't overcome easily. still, ghosts runs flawless with capped FPS.

[@TheCoDzillaPlayer]

Get a console, game aint optimized for shit on PC. Fucking Trollfinity ward.

[@brainwasher9876]

Much as I love Drift0r's videos, I have to disagree with him here. It's true that the MSBS can kill a smidgen faster than the other weapons, PROVIDED that you have perfect accuracy and every single engagement you have involves being very close. At long range, or assuming that you're a human being who makes mistakes, the other guns are much more forgiving. To compare, the guns in MW2 generally feel very similar to the guns in Ghosts (Ghosts might even kill a little faster), and the M16A4 was similar to the MSBS except with much better damage at range and much lower recoil--but you'd be hard-pressed to find a single person who considered the M16A4 to be OP.

[@brainwasher9876]

I would also definitely argue AGAINST making the MSBS a 3 shot kill at close range, because that'd make it as useless the M16 in BO.

[@brainwasher9876]

that'd be arguable if not for the fact that far more people used the ACR and UMP45 than the FAMAS.

[@JustHANO]

brainwasher9876 But doesn't that mean you'd have to miss 2 shots out of your burst. you should probably train on some bots if you can't ADS and hit a target on a regular basis

[@brainwasher9876]

Oh ok, random insults that clearly would help speed the conversational topic along. Before we get on that, I want to make it perfectly clear that getting two shots in a burst to kill at close range is perfectly fine with me. I never stated otherwise. Otherwise you'd be looking at a one bullet kill AR, and that'd just be a fully auto sniper with no sway.

[@JustHANO]

lol i didn't direct it toward you i was saying it in general. And to be clear, i was being dead serious. If someone have trouble hitting targets they should probably train on that.

[@ateriskrex2744]

On day 1 I was gonna buy the ARX-10, but saw the MSBS and thought "ooh, free burst attachment". The gun hasn't felt overpowered for me, I still die in cqc often, but tell you what: I'll stop using the gun when I can go 4 feet without shooting a guy who spawned 3 feet away.

[@Trichobezoar_]

The msbs reminds me of the famas and have you ever thought of the chainsaw being over powered you actually have to aim with the msbs but not with the chainsaw spraying and praying vs the msbs where you need to aim

[@mostofazaman1498]

DAT dog 360 at 8:56!!!

[@colinperrson5797]

rote?

[@danielgamingboy2698]

He was trying to do a 360 no scope on Drift0r but then realized he didn't have a sniper rifle

[@SStrandh]

this gun is only OP when you can put 2-3 bulelts at first burst. but most of the time you only hit one. look for yourself at 11:56... you fire first but still get killed. I think you are overreacting about this gun. snipers are worse oneshot quickscope that doesnt flinch!

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

It's burst fire only, has enough burst delay for your enemy to shoot 4 bullets while you're unable to fire at all, screwing you up if you miss, has slow reload, has ugly iron sights, ludicrously low centerspeed and combined with moderate recoil to the point you might miss the last bullet of the burst at longer ranges, driving it away from the point of a burst fire weapon which is to deliver 2-4 shots spot on, and has no special abilities whatsoever. And still OP because of its max damage and range alone?

[@benniebees]

driftor the design philosophy behind these weapons is high risk vs high reward. IF you land your first shot then you have the FASTEST time to kill in the game. if you miss your first shot you have the WORST time to kill in the game.. so its all about that first shot.

[@SirDutty]

if this was a 2 burst weapon it will be useless in this game. This is not black-ops every gun kills fast. your time to kill math is useless. Fact is, if you see someone first and your aim is good they are dead with any assault rifle.

[@CaptAUGseome]

No. This gun kills in two shots up close. It has a 3 shot burst. It is OP.

[@RobloxEpicFail]

I don't think you get the point. If you see someone and they see you and you both shoot then the MSBS will win every single time

[@kevindoherty126]

you can get in gun fights still. they are shorter but if two very good players get into a gunfight, the one who has the gun with the faster time to kill will have the advantage.

[@poes7874]

you dont understand cod at all no one asked you to watch this vid your not an expert so dont act like you are drift0r dose the math

[@SoapyEdits]

I absolutely agree 100% with you mate well said :)

[@jkc877]

This gun is bad for people who rush where they are apt to be flinching due to being shot. For example, first shot usually goes to SMG, shotgun or ARs (that use hipfire and laser sight). Landing 2 bursts on a strafing enemy that got first shot on you is actually more difficult than it seems. This gun, however, is heaven for stationary people who GET the first shot on the enemy. I play quite defensive and use Amplify w/ good headsets and I have a 6.5 k/d with this gun. It insta-gibs people all the time especially if you are in buildings (which is 80% of the maps).

[@Co1010z]

I have to disagree with you on that. Rushing with the MSBS is actually very good. Granted I use quickdraw, so I can aim in fast, but since its a 2 shot kill even if I miss one in the burst I can still kill them. Plus with a drop/jump shot it proves very effective

[@jkc877]

Colin Clarke All guns are effective in this game, its just that some guns benefit campers immensely.

[@reillyjames7202]

i agree wif colin its more or less the same as the type 95 and i rush wif both guns just use it on medium n large maps nt small cause it crap at extreme close range

[@nutterbuttertheman6657]

i honestly don't know what u guys are complaining about. Drift0r has told us hard facts and the opinion of the community to similar guns from the past. In my opinion he was unbiased until 6:24, but even then his opinion was very accurate and was backed up by facts. this is video has hard facts and his opinion. if u disagree click a different video.

[@xXSneakieXx]

The amount of people saying this is a "Skill-based weapon" is astonishing. Aiming is not difficult. Staying on target is. But for a weapon that is essentially an instant kill, the enemy is dead before you even have to think about staying on target. This gun is easy-mode, and takes no amount of skill to use.

[@swiftblaqness]

They always do, they said it about the Type 95 and Mk14 in mw3 which were clearly easymode.

[@johnthecookieninja]

Even if its OP the polish know how to make bullpups.

[@Magicarpmaster]

Anyone else annoyed by the ieds? There is almost no chance to dodge them. You hear that beep and you're dead. Claymore s if you ran fast enough or to the side you could avoid. Bettys you could duck. I've only survived 2 ieds and died at least 100.

[@omgurheadsgone]

same! I can never spot them either man, they have no red light or anything that allows you the chance to spot them, unless you are playing incredibly carefully.

[@Rozers3dge]

I've dodged several IEDs by going prone, just like with bouncing bettys.

[@Ghostblade787]

Overpowered guns: AK-12 MSBS SA-805 Underpowered guns: Shotgun with slugs Rest of them seem balanced

[@MrGolferguy22]

It has more recoil than the Type 95. If you miss with 2 out of the 3 bullets in the burst, then you will likely lose to automatic AR's.

[@Majezstix]

This gun is overpowered I kill people with it with one burst. Activision needs to nurf all overpowered guns now! Including snipers!

[@okari1431]

They actually are patching Sniper Rifles ASAP and addressed that they were aware that this gun is a little bit unbalanced

[@TheRiptaco]

DeltaPhoe Jacob A little? XD

[@andrewsuther6169]

I used to call it the ms bull shit.

[@SBBBurney]

Snipers (bolt action only) should be one hit any time.

[@Morbuzka]

Snipers are supposed to be powerful, what's the point in a sniper if it kills slower than an assault rifle?

[@ProjectHMz]

360p Club!

[@Rewel]

woooo!

[@Farrell_instincts]

You know it!

[@Verifys]

let the video process dumbass

[@ProjectHMz]

***** I guess its your job to tell everyone it's processing even though its obvious ;P

[@RentedTacoBell]

I think a good fix for it with be Lower 2 hit range and a slower Fire rate. Make the min and max range say 12 Meters - 21.5 meters. Make it built for CQC, as the bull-pup design would suggest. Since the maps aren't cluttered as shit like MW3 and BO2 were. As for the fire rate, I would make the burst rpm at about 780. This would make a good balance. A close quarters powerhouse that doesn't kill so fast, and aim sustainability over long rang if needed. Won't be overpowered, but it will get the job done. And don't worry about the Slower ADS Drift0r. Everyone runs Quickdraw anyways so it wouldn't make a difference.

[@Sp3cTr3sHoTs]

People saying that the charts are invalid are wrong for two reasons 1: it assumes every bullet is hitting from every gun, yes, but they are best case scenario charts, the charts are stating the fastest POSSIBLE kill times, not the fastest probable kill times. Bad players are bad, and no amount of op-ness will make them good If you play without skill, a gun you use cannot make you good. 2. Any gun that can kill you faster than can even be communicated is overpowered. If you're dead, You can't react to someone who HAS ALREADY KILLED YOU and you don't even know it yet

[@xxMessiahbolical]

The FAD kills almost just as quick, is Full Auto, and has 42 rounds per mag instead of 30, yet nobody complains about it. The MSBS isn't OP. A Burst Fire gun is supposed to be strong compared to a Full Auto gun, get over it people.

[@bachstrad1994]

The MSBS burst comes out faster and kills in 1 less shot. Significantly more powerful than the FAD.

[@humanixior]

Elliot Rose miss the first burst and you have 0.2 seconds(or more, depending on your timing) of a disgusting cooldown in which a person with the FAD can fire around 4-5 bullets. How is that OP?

[@xxMessiahbolical]

Elliot Rose That's cool if you live in a perfect world where you hit every single single bullet you fire. Most people I see have around a 18-20% accuracy, so a lot of the time they're not hitting their very first burst perfectly. And if your first burst doesn't kill your target with the MSBS, then your Time-To-Kill goes to complete shit. There's a reason why you rarely ever look at someone's playercard and see "Most used gun: MSBS", just like you rarely ever saw "Most used gun: Type 95" or "Most Used Gun: M16"... it's because burst fire guns have a huge disadvantage compared to fully automatic guns. They're more powerful if you hit your shots perfectly, but the hit detection in COD is bad so that even if you aim perfect you're not guaranteed to get a 1-burst-kill. All of the guns in this game kill extremely fast. The only ones that are overpowered are the ones that have extremely low recoil like the SC-2010(you know, the one that almost everyone uses yet nobody complains about). It seems like people just get butthurt when they get killed by burst guns because they don't have the balls to use them themselves.

[@CoolioMan2713]

***** You're a complete idiot. Did you even listen to anything driftor said?

[@xxMessiahbolical]

CoolioMan2713 Does it matter what Driftor said? It's possible to form your own opinion on something, you know. You don't need to listen to everything some guy on the internet said. Personally I don't think the MSBS is overpowered at all. In fact, I find it's at a disadvantage more than anything. All of the guns in this game kill extremely fast. The MSBS killing in 2 bullets isn't much of a factor. I'd rather have a gun that shoots Full-Auto any day. If Driftor thinks it's overpowered, that's fine. He's entitled to his own OPINION. But don't call me an idiot just because I'm capable of forming an opinion of my own unlike you.

[@LightBound15]

This video was disappointing. The MSBS isn't OP - if you're in a gunfight with someone and they're shooting you, and you miss your burst, you're in trouble, because of the burst delay. The Iron Sights are bad, so that means that most people will eat up an attachment slot with an Optic Attachment. The range/kick/center speed makes this a bad long range weapon, especially when you can slap a Red Dot on a Marksman Rifle and 2-shot people at long ranges. Come on Drift0r, the Shotguns/Snipers kill instantly, but they're not OP (at least not for that reason). The MSBS isn't the Type 95, and this video is biased. Drift0r, you're better than this.

[@IRGsenile]

LightBound, you're a dumbass. This gun is extremely OP. So much so, that it's already been banned from competitive play.

[@Gio-ch1nl]

Yes, but the TTK doesn't lie. The FMG9 akimbo had also a rediculous TTK and a shit accuracy as well, still, it was OP. And the recoil is very managable, a optic attachment makes it just easier to hit people, on every weapon. Plus you don't need a muzzle brake, grip makes this even more a laser.

[@bagonmyhead69]

now that's your opinion and this video was drift0r's. be respectful.

[@sammybli]

The argument of "What if you miss your shot" does not change the fact that a gun is over-powered lol. You can say that about any gun. The fact that you can miss your shot is irrelevant to whether a gun is op or not. People claimed that the R870 in Black ops 2 was over-powered. What if i said "But wait, if someone is shooting at you, and you miss your shot with the R870, you're in trouble" You could win a gunfight with the worst gun in the game against an enemy using the best gun in the game if you hit your shots and they miss their shots. Does that make the worst gun in the game, now the best? because you killed someone using the best gun in the game? No it doesn't. Stats are stats. And the MSBS's Stats classify is as over-powered, it is marginally more powerful than the rest of the AR's. That's not good weapon balance

[@LightBound15]

Yes, but the R870 had a spread, so it was hard to miss your shots. And at medium/long range I struggle with the MSBS, and prefer the Honey Badger over it, which I think is more powerful than the MSBS, because the MSBS kicks all over the place when I use it. What do you classify as OP? I think the Marksman rifles qualify, but it's still not too big an issue. Even if it is OP, I rarely see people using it. And If I do, I can kill them just as easily.

[@Fraymond711]

hey im sad , D u didnt adress the full auto attachement ,,, how does it affect the mechanic of the gun...

[@dragonmaster951753]

Can't wait to see you do the in-depth for the burst fire attachment. It turns any AR or marksmen rifle into a MSBS, so you would have to change that as well or it would be the worst Burst gun, while being the only one natural in doing it. Without the high fire rate, it isn't as OP as the type was. Without that speed dropping people who are rushing you isn't as easy as before, and they will kill you instantly.

[@mrstorm1406gt]

Here's my MSBS class set up. Full Auto Attachment with Red Dot. Deadeye, Sleight of Hand, Marathon, and Focus. Got my first K.E.M. with this set up and also had 2 games where I went on a 23 and a 22 killstreak.

[@brainwasher9876]

It's still usable post-nerf, but only at very close range and only against people who suck. At long range this gun is about as effective as a wet fart.

[@weakestlink20]

Andrew Wang It never deserved the nerf it got. It was easily counterable at a long range, and given how big some Ghosts maps can be, you could easily get any other Assault Rifle (bar the ARX), LMG, or Marksman Rifle to easily wipe the MSBS user clean of their life. Yet, people never did that, and they just cried until Infinity Ward nerfed it, and made it one of the hardest weapons to use in the game, with much less reward offered compared to before.

[@getalife214]

+Andrew Wang wet farts can take out the whole enemy team within seconds, with a side-effect of them not being able to shoot until they die

[@justaskiier101]

it says there is an error loading the video

[@gkarad]

Everyone keeps saying this is the new Type 95. I was unstoppable with the Type 95. I absolutely suck with the MSBS. Either in the 2 years that have passed since MW3, I have grown senile, or maybe it's not quite as OP as everyone thinks. I know Driftor has numbers to back his point, but feel (admittedly rather subjective) has to be part of the equation as well.

[@agressiveapple]

I kinda feel you in that the people who play cod now are way better than before. it definatley has not gotten easier for me to kill people in this game.

[@NavShay]

in terms of time to kill, u cant put burst fire weapons in the same category as fully autos. comapre them to sniper rifles. time to kill in sniper rifles is 0 seconds

[@sebastianwesolowski1147]

Polish assault rifle :)

[@gw5673]

xD polska konstrukcja tylko szkoda że strzela seriami 😆😆

[@matearosie]

Gdyby strzelał ogniem ciągłym ze swoimi statystykami, to już cała społeczność dostałaby krwawienia odbytu. M16, czy FAMAS w poprzednich częściach też strzelały krótkimi seriami, bo były za mocne.

[@leepek3575]

Polish rifle and what? Overpower :D

[@sircox]

And now nobody uses it......

[@protoman2260]

haha right, i popped in Ghosts the first time in weeks, i played a few hours and I saw NO ONE using this gun

[@sircox]

Matthew Weir ikr?

[@od13166]

Matthew Weir They patched MBSS To can't do 2hit kill

[@weakestlink20]

RAY M It still can, but the ability to do so is removed if you hit the limbs (granted that you don't get a headshot to compensate).

[@od13166]

weakestlink20 yea ikr first came out MSBS is OP and Greatest AR in this whole game

[@gitrektm8]

Just to point out the obvious: Modern Warfare : M16 Modern Warfare 2 : Famas Modern Warfare 3 : Type 95 Modern Warf... I mean Ghosts : MSBS Coincidence?

[@TheTeeWorldsfreak]

the burst weapons are always OP

[@jonesfrom9661]

"The iron sights are a sin against humanity" THAT'S where I just fuckimg lost it!!! LOL

[@ShadowBaofu]

These are interesting numbers, but isn't the fastest human reaction time somewhere in the neighborhood of about 0.150 seconds? Yet I see at least three weapons with a time to kill faster than that.

[@miopiIV]

Could very well be, but the time it takes (for an average human) to facture in what's happening to the screen and send out a trigger pressing action, reaction time would be about 1.5 seconds, there is no way anyone (average) would be able to react to the MSBS.

[@AllistorRichards]

miopiIV or the second or third strongest ARs. . .because there TTKs were 1.36 and 1.4, meaning that all three of those guns have a faster TTK than humanly possible to react too. Moreover, they have the advantage of not needing to be on target as much as the MSBS needs to be.

[@ShadowBaofu]

I should think it speaks volumes about balance if there are at least three weapons with a TTK quicker than even the fastest possible human reaction time.

[@Live2RisePC]

I can't help but wonder if this had anything to do with the recent nerf of this gun, even though Driftor later said it wasn't as powerful as he initially thought.

[@PlastikGUbilationz]

The op-ness increases exponentially with your gunskill

[@KewpieFootball]

It has MORE recoil and a SLOWER rate of fire than the Type 95. When you add the fact that there are multiple 3hk ARs in the game, then OP branding of this gun is invalid. If the made it a 2 burst kill NO BODY would use it

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

Drift0r It's NOT OP! Like the Magnum, it's a high risk, high reward gun. Miss like I've watched you do over and over in this video, and the TTK is STUPIDLY SLOW! Just like your numbers on the SA-805, these DO NOT TRANSLATE TO REALITY. The community loves burst guns. That's why they're back. Please stop trying to get our enjoyment nerfed out of the game.

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

***** 'snipinstorm'?? I suppose quickscopings possible counter pisses you off?

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

***** His exact argument fits even more so to snipers. It's the same category. High risk/high reward. If you're good with the sniper, you kill very fast. If you miss, you kill very slow. Just think about it. Nerfing this gun would be just silly.

[@lobtyu]

It does translate to reality. It did in COD4 with its M16, in MW2 with its Famas, in MW3 with it's Type 95, and none of that has changed in Ghosts.Every single one of those guns were considered top tier and were the most whined about guns in their respective games (except MW2 be/c that game had bigger problems).

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

+lobtyu They're considerd 'top tier' because they aren't good without good aim. With good aim the gun will reward you and without, it will punish you. Comparing this to the MW or MW2 burst guns is not reasonable. They are far more accurate and have twice the two hit kill range and infinite one burst kill range with stopping power on. When you don't factor in that most people will miss at least 50% of the time with the first burst, the statistics DON'T translate to reality.

[@ston3s]

Those stats are only good if nobody is moving and all the shots hit the target. I'll run around the corner with a K7 at 200 mph with marathon and speed firing from the hip, we'll see how good you do with your OP msbs. Everything is OP in the right context. This video was disappointing.

[@Jamnman]

I think that the MSBS is a very good gun for people who know how to use it, but the one thing that upsets me about it is that it can one burst hip fire if the other player is close enough. I also don't think that the marksman rifles are OP because you still need to hit the shots. I made a vid about the MK14 EBR a few days ago if anyone wants to check it out.

[@abdullahalshalash7196]

this is a type 95 with better range (the maps are bigger anyway) but with lower RPM thats it

[@BiscuitDelivery]

You know, I'm somewhat glad that a gun with this much bullshit would end with the letters 'BS'.

[@xXDOM1NATXx]

It's the type 95 all over again

[@BiscuitDelivery]

xdom1natex The beauty of it in this game is the fact that there are attachments on every assault rifle in the game to make them have the same capabilities, so at least it's balanced.

[@Rewel]

Hey drift0r are you gonna be showing next gen gameplay for ID?

[@MrMattyMoses]

It's nice to see facts that back up my love/hate for the MSBS. In my opinion there's no need for burst-fire guns in Call of Duty.

[@ND-cm1kn]

The "sin against humanity" part nearly killed me

[@Sneaky313]

waiting for high quality.....

[@krakenthrottle2199]

In the description you made a typo "is and overpowered weapon" not condemning you for making a typo, just thought you should know. Also IW has always (at least since mw2 I never played any cod games before) had op burst fire weapons, they never learn.

[@commander9087]

I also liked his TTK for assault rilfes at about 11 minutes in

[@AllistorRichards]

High damage is the trade off for not being full auto. You can just hold down a full auto gun's trigger in CoD games when you get into a gunfight and hose people down easy, not even needing to aim. Burst Fires aren't actually as spammer friendly as Driftor likes to say they are. Because honestly spamming a Burst fire on any CoD usually just leads to you being dead because your aim is less focused. To be honest the MSBS doesn't really seem all that indifferent to the other guns in the game seeing as how the game already has such weak characters that having a gun with a high time to kill really won't help you much if your gun skill can't keep you alive, and to be honest, the majority of CoD doesn't have that kind of gun skill. To be honest, OP is so loosely thrown around anymore in CoD that even when Drift0r explains stats I can't accept anything as truly OP unless absolutely blatantly obvious, and it wasn't really obvious from his gameplays so Idk. . .

[@krakenthrottle2199]

Allistor Richards. If it's not this it's something else, always something for the player base to exploit. (also nice Twilight pic) /)

[@AllistorRichards]

Numberless Oats Thank you, I made it myself.

[@stwida91]

This is hilarious. I just tried the MSBS yesterday for the first time ever (after 4 days played time) and I got a KEM strike my first match. It's an absolutely outrageous gun.

[@jpd1967jd]

I agree, first to see an enemy is going to win, but all the same I plan to unlock the msbs next and give it a try.

[@DUFFNOTDUFF]

And if you think the only way for a burst fire gun to be good is to be OP with huge damage and no downsides, a perfect example of a well balanced and not totally garbage burst fire weapon is the M8A1, which was 1 of 2 ARs widely used in competitive Blops 2.

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

You saying the gun has no downsides is just a nail in the coffin to the factual grounds of your opinion.

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

Another point to make from your statement is that the M8A1 could NOT compete in Ghosts. It's a gun in a game where almost every weapon has a VERY SMALL effective range.

[@DUFFNOTDUFF]

Alright, this is retarded though man. I wasn't saying the M8A1 would be good in ghosts, I was just saying it was burst fire done right for once. Everything in this comment was just an example of perspective, which you completely missed.

[@scvboy1]

but the M8A1 smashes the MSBS the only reason it seems better is because in ghost you die very very very fast

[@theDEPTHSofDOOM]

+Rebirth_Element Lol. That's a good joke.

[@TacticalPower88]

Ease of use in comparison to other guns is something that cant be calculated by stats. Calculate the the difficuty of using a burst weapon with sharp kick in a game filled with damn near no recoil, high damage/firerate full autos dancing and spraying all around you while u are spending extra time properly sizing up targets before u can shoot. The type95 was UNBANNED from competitive mw3 and that gun was way more consistant than the msbs due to the higher firerate, tighter grouping and non existant recoil . If u finch, miss or get a hitmarker with the msbs u are as good as dead more times than not, calculate that with stats. Stuff like the msbs, shotguns, snipers, marsksman, pistols should give u incentive to put down the easy mode full autos. Without that incentive those guns are severely underpowered.

[@PrinterStand]

You don't judge a guns "power" or "usefullness" on how it plays in an avg player's hands. You judge a gun's power on what it can do in the right hands. Just because most won't be able to harness this OP power. It doesn't mean a few should be gods among men. Also the Type 95 got UNBANNED because it got NERFED. And that is what Driftor is saying. He's not saying make the MSBS un-useable. He's just saying "find a way to make this guns TTK lower, without making it useless"

[@TacticalPower88]

McDubbin337 the right hands can also go to work with a easier but rewarding weapon like every other assualt rifle for example. The fad is secretly the best gun in ghosts with its very high fireate, great accuracy, 3 shot kill range as well as a unlimited 4 shot kill range. Give a marsksman a full auto like that and he will still pwn you just the same if not better. If im a better player than you with a burst rifle then im still gonna be better than you with a much easier/more forgiving full auto. This isnt bo2, all the ttk's all make it so when u let some1 size u up and pop u clean dead to rights than u are dead regardless what gun they are using.

[@PrinterStand]

I don't think you understand TTK. Your still putting in the bias that an "eaiser handling gun" is better than a gun with recoil. The FAD is a great weapon but if someone had the EXACT SAME SKILL LEVEL WITH BOTH GUNS. Then the MSB will win every time. I know having the same level of skill in two very different weapons is highly highly unlikely but you must still account for the possibility. You don't give points to handling because people like me get longshots all the time with the highest recoil guns. So recoil in guns to us have no factor basically. So without handling being a factor, the MSB is the clear winner by far far too much. I use the MSB all the time and I'll miss it if it gets nerfed, but that shit is OP and we all know it

[@TacticalPower88]

Japback13 if u hit me dead on with your fad or any ar first im litterally dead far before i can even take 0.3 secs to ads. flinching, and fast moving enemies also makes sizing up targets with burst rifles more difficult than full autos. Full autos and burst rifles CAN BOTH KILL FAR B4 THE 0.2 min seconds needed to ads, Only difference is full autos can squeeze a trigger while burst rifles have to carefully size up 3 shots at a time due to the fact they can easily die far before the burst delay allows a follow up shot.

[@AllistorRichards]

Japback13 That's actually a BS way of judging any guns power actually. OP means Overpowered, meaning that it dominates in any situation. You give a pro a gun and even if it's underpowered they should be able to stay positive. You're supposed to judge a gun's level of power through average to lower than average players because that's where there the skill variable exists. If you judge by the pros then their skill is not truly varied, at least not enough to give an accurate example. Moreover the average player makes up the majority of CoD, and therefore should be the basis of the findings on whether a weapon is OP or not. If you go by Time to Kill or Recoil only then anything on Paper could easily be made to look OP. To be honest though OP has turned less into an actual legitimate term and has become more of a way to describe popular weapons.

[@HerbalSergal]

I still think Battle Field 3 and 4's FAMAS still beat it in "SIN AGAINST HUMANITY" Iron Sights. XD

[@CODTrance]

It's only OP when an extremely good player uses it...this can be said for any weapon though. Yes you will get an annoying camper with a 1.2K/D who will kill you sometimes -- but get his ass handed to him most of the time. For the most part though it's a high skill weapon, with high reward. High accuracy consistently is needed, miss a shot and you're done with the slow ROF. The kick over range is also pretty bad and it's very rare you get a 3bullet (1burst) kill over long range.

[@CODTrance]

***** Yes I do use it, I got the game 5 days pre-release and unlocked it before all the drama about it started, just because I like burst weapons. I know it's strengths and weaknesses from playing with it a lot. It's amazing on CQC maps if you have good accuracy....on longer range maps it's not that great. The SC-2010 melts over range in comparison in full auto without having to burst or anything. It's hardly a godgun like the UMP in mw2 was, it does have drawbacks making it somewhat balanced.

[@brgulker]

Totally disagree that this gun is OP. If you miss your first burst, you're dead. If you can aim, you can get a kill. This gun is no more OP than the M-16 from CoD4/MW2, the Famas from MW2, or the Type 95 from MW3.

[@CrazedWhiteGaming]

Agreed

[@ThirdThinker]

Thank you. The MSBS in my opinion isn't overpowered if you don't have stalker or even good accuracy.

[@mileshollis6258]

You're halfway right, I think. I think the hipfire is OP. You should have to aim and shoot well to get the kill, you're right, but I don't think you should be able to easily get away with a one hit burst from the hip. If the hipfire was widened, I wouldn't consider the gun OP.

[@josephnicholasgallan]

If MLG players have banned it and someone like Drift0r says it's also OP....and it's a almost exact copy of the Type 95, actually the two shot kill range is even bigger....then yeah it's probably pretty OP.

[@brgulker]

josephnicholasgallan Who cares who says what? Think for yourself. Look at your own stats. Does your performance with the weapon indicate it is better than everything else?

[@michaelmorante4127]

Not to be rude or anything i have only one question for you. A sniper rife kills in one shot right, so would a sniper rife be over powered, and people can quick scoop with them and bring them in to close quarters and kill and super far away. I am just asking not trying to be rude.

[@OnlyZunkin]

If you look at the kill times on any of the ARs there is no reacting to getting shot if you are online. The lag in this game is so great that by the time you see yourself getting shot for the first time you are already dead with ANY of the ARs at close range. Lag negates the differences in kill times essentially.

[@yashwinning]

Are you fucking kidding me? What is OP about this gun? Burst weapons have always been OP in COD. What? Do they have to make the weapons like in BF3 where you have to use an entire magazine to kill ONE FUCKING GUY for people to be satisfied? The type 95 is more OP than this shit. With holo sights and rapid fire on this I was sniping people AND snipers across the map. Well atleast for the 2 months I played that bullshit game the Type 95 was good. I don't have ghosts as it's absolutely horrible, but the weapons doesn't look OP at all. You THINK it's OP,but it's not. Look at the terrible recoil. That ain't OP.

[@precision8107]

its op. op=unbalanced you dumbshit now get the fuck out of here you dont even have the game.

[@yashwinning]

It's imbalanced, not unbalanced YOU dumb fuck. Yeah I don't have the game, but you should've probably bought a fucking dictionary instead of a shitty game where you pretend you like it but deep inside you're regretting that decision. So why not do this? Go fuck yourself, acquire a taste in video games, and next time, don't try to be an internet warrior, cause all I see is a little kid trying to act tough with a few words.

[@ZapSnap]

9:40 That's all you need to know

[@yashwinning]

***** I'm not angry "at a video game" dumbass. That's a gun review, not a game review. I'm obviously pissed at how people are talking as if that gun is almighty or some shit. Compared to the Type 95 this gun looks balanced. Its recoil for long range looks bad, and dont forget that if you miss the first shots, you do have time to kill the guy with the MSBS. people are making such a fuss over that gun cause the game is pretty boring, and there isnt much gun which is OP in the game.

[@jamesio20]

The Dead Immortal You get all worked up and cuss out some guy over how he types something out and then end with "there isn't much gun which is OP in the game". Angry and dimwitted. Sounds about right.

[@DJaquithFL]

Okay -- now EVERYBODY is going to be running the MSBS with a Mussel Break -- JOY! :-) Listen with the PC being plagued with cheaters and the insta-kills, PC is already dead.

[@Interslicez]

In my 600 hours in Black Ops II, I saw one cheater. CoD is dead on PC because Infinity Ward did a really shitty job of porting it to PC, not because of hackers.

[@mwinburn200]

Interslicez They didn't port it to PC. They ovehauled it completely, thus the problems. Still, its not great.. Thats why I'm on PS3..

[@TJskillz169]

Just a fun fact that i learned about. MSBS kills in 67 ms. The 44 magnum from BF4 has bullet delay (bullet doesn't react to your trigger instantly to simulate a real life revolver in a way) of anywhere from 92ms to 150 ms. The MSBS can kill you before BF 44 even FIRES.

[@HerbalSergal]

That's also why it can't be compared: COD: No bullet, it's an instant connection BF: Has bullet velocity/drop simulated into the game So if you are to say that the .44 was killing in one shot, as compared to the MSBS 2 shots out of the 3 round burst, then I'm sure in a BF scenerio, the .44 would win, since that one shot would hit before the 2 bullets could connect. Again, one reaosn comparing BF/COD doesn't exactly work. X3

[@TJskillz169]

I know, just a funny thought i had.

[@lordmew5]

Driftor why would suggest lowering ADS time that is always the worst thing to do because then sleight of hand pro becomes pretty much useless

[@ASokhi97]

This is not op I killed a guy with ak12 suppressed in stonehaven in 3 bullets across the map he was camping and the game started so basically it the low health reason u die so quick

[@donaldomoran8608]

no...

[@Spanxxxy]

3 bullet deaths have been around for ages. i'm pretty sure the only things that have truly changed are damage drop-offs and the angle of impact.

[@Suicidalduck321]

No, he must have been damaged, the AK does not do that amount of damage per shot

[@ASokhi97]

No this guy was not damaged the started and I spotted him camping on top of a building and just burst fired him with 3 bullets

[@FightCain]

What he said is like "I took out a chopper with a knife. The knife is over powered"