Giant Contend AR 1 2020 Project and Review

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

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[@AndrewEvenstar]

Bought this about 1.5 month ago after reading a couple posts on reddit and watching this video. I love the AR1!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Awesome Andrew! I hope you are enjoying it and that I didn't lead you astray in anyway. I am still sporting mine to this day and love it. I am going to put some 650x47c tires on it soon and do a little video on how it handles with those tires.

[@michwoz]

Thanks for the tire clearance info! That's exactly what I've been looking for.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Michael, I wish more reviewers would check tire clearance. Thanks for watching and ride on.

[@keithmoore6659]

Giant Contend AR...gateway drug of the bike industry...

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

That is exactly right! Gets you hooked!

[@DEADPOTENTIAL]

I agree, had the escape 2015 strictly for exercise but then I messed around and bought this with no context other then seeing it at the store for the first time. Had no idea how much I could love cycling

[@Uclas1]

Really great review. I bought the Contend AR 1 just 2 days ago. It's my first road (all around) bike and already feel very happy with my choise. Your review was great help to decide!! Thx.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I am happy to hear the video helped you in your purchase! Have you been able to ride it much yet?

[@Uclas1]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Just finifhed my first 25 km about 75%road/ 25%easy offroad, with the stock build. The ride was awesome. Never felt the loss of control, the ride was smooth and the vibrations offroad acceptable. Have to make some km more and after that regulate the brakes cause i hear a disk brake noise not continue but often. The saddle feels great (no pain...). Fast riding , easy steering and good braking. That's for now thanks again.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@Uclas1 That is so great to hear that it is working well for you. Yeah sometimes it can be a pain to get the flat mount brakes adjusted just right where there is no "ching" noise. It isn't hurting anything, just annoying. Keep me updated on how it works for you and would love to know if you change anything.

[@MitchYouts]

Giant should really pay you a commission. Just pulled the trigger on one! I had been on the fence until I saw this video. Great review with in-depth, usable, and relevant information. Thank you!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Mitch! I appreciate the feedback. I'm still rolling on my Contend AR and love it everyday.

[@MitchYouts]

@@BlackWaterCyclistHey there, can you recommend a good mid-range wheelset (more road focused) that would be good for this bike? Thinking that will be my first upgrade in a few months.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@MitchYouts I am currently running some ALEX CXD4 Rims laced to done novatec hubs I got for cheap on eBay that I have been very impressed with. Only downside is that you can't really find them. I think they were OEM on some companies bikes so you can search for those occasionally and can find a great deal. Another I would recommend is Hunt wheels. They have great alloy option wheels with competitive weights, tubeless, and the price isn't crazy. Only downside with them is that sometimes you have to pre-order. I think they are out of their gravel wheels now but should be back up in about 3 weeks but they also have roads wheels which you may want more. If you are not in a rush, you can find a good deal.

[@MitchYouts]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Awesome, thank you.

[@MitchYouts]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Just put on some new Hunt wheels yesterday. Specifically the HUNT 34 Aero Wide Disc Wheelset, love 'em! Thanks for the recommendation.

[@brucejohnson1719]

Very helpful. Thanks for putting in the time on this review.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Bruce, glad you found it beneficial. :)

[@rick_kim]

Thank you for helpful information. I was curious of tire clearance from before. Ah~ I have black colored Contend AR1 too.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Awesome! I don't think you will be disappointed with the Contend AR. Do you plan to keep it stock or going to make some upgrades?

[@stefanvanvuuren3931]

The dog scene got me so cracked up, hahaha you do a great bark!

[@nycgmr]

great footage and fantastic reviews. Thanks for answering so many questions ... cheers, keep up the fantastic work

[@mitchpaliga4851]

I just bought this bike today, your reviews were very helpful. Thanks!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

That is great! I am impressed you have found one. Everyone is having issues finding the AR in stock.

[@mitchpaliga4851]

Black Water Cyclist yes, it’s a long story but after I decided on this bike I think I got the last one in the Chicagoland area. Just finished my first ride, so much fun!

[@ilintner003]

Nice review, and congrats on the win. Poor Honon seems like he was having a rough time.. you should go easy on him.. haha

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Ian! He has a tough skin, he enjoys dishing it back to me all the time. :)

[@tb3oh3]

Great review mate. So many time waster vids but this is definitely not one of them. All my questions answered and more. Some Giant bike shops would do well to watch this before they talk about what they are selling

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thank you so much for watching. I appreciate the positive feedback! Always nice to hear good things. Hope to have many more like this in the future.

[@ludoms100]

I’m really more into mtn with my 2019 trance 2 but I’m probably going to get a new bike to get to work and my friend who are roadies! I’m probably going to get this one thanks for the video and thanks giant for the staff deals!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks for watching! I actually got started in mountain biking first. How do you like the Trance? I thought about getting one myself. You can't go wrong with the Contend AR. I am still riding it and love it everyday.

[@ludoms100]

Black Water Cyclist I love my trance! I use it all year round here in Canada and it’s super fun! I’m really looking forward to getting my contend!

[@ludoms100]

Well, guess my friends convinced me other wise, I sold my trance and bought a reign advanced pro 29 2

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@ludoms100 Haha! That is still great! Can't go wrong with a mountain bike! I am planning to head out tomorrow to rip some singletrack. I hope to try a Trance in the future. Sporting a Santa Cruz Blur right now and love it. Just got a Fox 34 SC fork on it, switching from the 32 SC fork, so tomorrow should be a great initial shakedown.

[@ludoms100]

Black Water Cyclist nice! I love Santa Cruz’s bikes, they look so clean!

[@jamesbenedict9054]

Congrats on the win!

[@michaelrowe5896]

I think you just made my mind up for me thank you great video.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Michael for watching! So glad you found the video helpful. Enjoy the ride!

[@michaelrowe5896]

@@BlackWaterCyclist how is the noise with the brake levers ive heard about?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@michaelrowe5896 That is definitely a little annoying with the Shimano levers. On rough roads they do rattle. I will do a short video soon of a few negatives that I was not able to add in the big review and that is definitely one of them.

[@michaelrowe5896]

@@BlackWaterCyclist awesome! About the video! Cant wait to see it. I just put AR1 on layaway today. Michigan roads are sorta bumpy

[@michaelrowe5896]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Random question, but what headlight is that that you left on? im in need of another light or kit. I have many bikes and dont always feel like switching from bike to bike

[@noahsherman320]

Thanks for this...super informative! And nice work winning the race. I'd be particularly interested in watching a similar video with a recent carbon Defy. I'll be tuning in.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Noah! I actually am looking to get my hands on a Carbon Defy to test it and see if it can be a light gravel bike. Obviously any bike can be taken on gravel but to see if it is a viable option.

[@glenbergman9040]

Great review. More information on tire clearance than Giant's website

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Glen. I wish companies would give like a mud clearance and a dry weather clearance measurement.

[@johnnydwicked]

I wonder if you left the bike light on intentionally at 17:00 . Great review by the way. That metallic red looks awesome. I also like the Metaliic blue version on the AR 2.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks for watching, actually I forgot to turn it off lol. Literally hopped off the bike and started recording. I like to get my thoughts out as soon as I swing my leg off the bike. Yeah I am actually a little partial to the metallic blue but the red is a very close second.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@Bodie Broadus That will be an amazing colorway! I can't wait to see what they have for 2021. When I searched for them I did see the Metallic Navy as a choice. Hoefully we will start seeing some pics coming soon of the newer models.

[@shanefrancis368]

Nice KIT just bought a bike at T Spokin in March

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

That is awesome Shane! You will get great support from Mark and everyone at the shop. Thanks for watching and I hope you're enjoying that bike.

[@pjregencia144]

Good review! Now I want that bike :)

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Oh it is such a great bike! I have owned it for a year and plan to have my long-term review out in the next week.

[@prymek7]

How would you rate the stiffness of the bike after the upgrades, maybe to TCR?

[@jamesjackson8521]

The Contender one the TCR 2 and the lower level defy. I'm picking straws between the bikes. Looking for one that fits my style of ride. Help if you can😊

[@jasonoconnor9446]

Hey thanks for the vids..have been looking at a focus atlas 6.7 and revolt 1..was suggested the contend ar1 and found yr vids.. have you ever tried the revolt 1?? Leaning towards the ar1 now..mainly for commuting and some gravel roads..

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Sorry for the delay! I have tried the Revolt Carbon but not the alloy version. The alloy version has a little longer chainstay which I would not like. I am kinda a chainstay snob bc I sit so far forward on the bike, longer chainstays make me over weight the front wheel. The revolt is a great bike but the Contend AR is better in my opinion.

[@kevinthomson6324]

Torn between the revolt and the ar1. Liking the ar1 a little better I think cause like you said it’s still a road bike at heart. If I get one I’d love a second wheel set. Likely a 650b with wide tires for gravel days and a 30-35c road tire for the high mile road days. Also would really like to upgrade to either the carbon d fuse bar or a other carbon bars to cut down the vibration. That would likely make it the perfect bike for me. Been riding a aluxx defy with 105 for years now. Love the bike but sick of being limited on tire choice by rim brakes.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

You would really like the Contend AR is what I'm thinking because I feel the Revolt will feel just a little too sluggish compared to what you're used to riding. I know disc brakes have really changed the game with road bikes and tire clearance. In my opinion, companies need to make their road bikes have enough clearance for 35 to 38c tires and be the light gravel bikes and then the Revolt for your more rugged long distance gravel rides. If you go with the AR1, it already has the carbon seatpost so you would just need the upgrade the handlebars.

[@killahaqua1631]

Just wondering...with the upgrades that you made on the bike, how much did all of those upgrades costs? Thanks!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Great question. I actually had the parts from a previous build. I really prefer to build up my own bikes up from frameset. I got some very good deals searching eBay to get these great prices. I will try to do a run down off memory. Sram Red Groupset: $500 Carbon Wheels: $350 Lightning Crankset: $200 Ritchey Carbon Bars and Stem: $200 Total: $1250 I sold the other parts on another frame I had so cannot give an exact difference there but considering the amount I could have gotten off that frame, I made about $800 from the new parts off this bike. So probably about $450 out of pocket there. SO total I had in the Contend with Red22 was around $2000. Thanks for the great question and for watching.

[@cornelbacauanu1544]

I have a giant tough road.Iam looking for a bike that blurs the zone between road ,gravel. .Thanks for explanations. Great job.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thank you for watching and commenting. The Contend AR will definitely do that better than the Tough Road.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@MARK JONES HAHA! That is so true! We have so many dogs that are free range around here that I am on guard all the time.

[@mohitbatra3280]

Hey I am a bit confused between Trek domane al 5 disc and giant contend ar 1. The only thing that is stopping me to get contend ar 1 is the mounts for panniers. What all mount options are their in Giant contend ar 1. Please help me with that

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Mohit, The Contend AR can fit a pannier frame on it with the included adapter that attaches to the seatpost. I mention it in my unboxing video. The Trek claimed tire clearance is 35 c while the Contend AR is 38c. I can confirm the Contend AR can clear 41c with no rubbing. So the Contend AR can clear larger rubber and still have panniers.

[@alanjohnson8396]

I have the AR1 with the 105 setup. I am considering replacing the front derailer with something perhaps a 46/30, add wider tires, and use this for more gravel type riding. Can the front derailleur be lowered to accommodate the smaller crankset? It appears to be bolted on and I do not know how that would work. Thanks so much.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Alan, where the derailleur attaches to the hangar, it should be able to slide up and down when you loosen the bolt. You will have to also loosen the cable and adjust the front derailleur again. You should be able to make it low enough to work with the 46/30T. If not I am sure there are adapters you could use. If it doesn't work, let me know, I can try to find an adapter for you.

[@alanjohnson8396]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thank you so much. By the way I’m starting to ride now more in your home state of Florida. The riding off-pavement is totally different than anything I’ve ridden before. It is a great learning curve but I am certainly enjoying it. I can definitely see owning multiple bikes here and that thought is a bit concerning. :). We’re thinking this may become our permanent home base.

[@GhostYT_lat]

Honon fell down, Honon's on the phone, Honon's hungry....ffs, lol!

[@alistairhurst3473]

Hi Billy. What bottle cages are you using in this video. Like they way they look on the Contend. 2 weeks to go until my Contend is available

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Alistair, they are the Arundel Mandible carbon cages. They are some of the best cages I've tried because they really keep a great grip on the cages in rough terrain. Can be pricey but worth it in my opinion to not lose your bottles on a ride.

[@timchant1676]

Not sure if anyone will see or respond. Wondering if the move to a Defy Advanced 2 would be worth an extra $400? With the notion of one wanting to have to option to add some more gravely type tires for the trails?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Tim, thanks for the question. I actually had that same idea and headed down to the shop to see how large of rubber could fit in the defy frame and it was super close with 35c, to the point where it was questionable with mud or dirt clearance. I usually don't like to go lower than 38c on gravel with 40c+ as ideal but depends on your gravel roads. The Defy Geo is very similar to the Contend AR. I'd rather put the $400 to some nicer wheels IMO. Thanks again for watching.

[@GrouEEf]

Hey mate, I'm looking into a new powermeter. I am 1,90 tall, riding an L Contend AR 1. I'm considering a 170mm crank length due to the low bottom bracket. Do you think that makes sense? Or should I stayn on 175mm?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I run 170mm and really like it. Its much more comfortable to me. You are close to my height. 5mm difference in length of crank arms is not much honestly. My fav cheap power meter is the Xcadey from China. You can get the spiders for around $300.

[@charlesgraham-dixon2637]

I'm thinking of this for a winter training road bike with fenders and some 1450g DT Swiss wheels I have. What you reckon?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

That is exactly what this bike is perfect for if you have a main bike for racing. I'm actually about to put fenders on mine and it will be my rain bike after I get my Titanium frame in. I'll do a video on installing the fenders as well.

[@vids1661]

Great videos regarding this bike! Much appreciated! Any thoughts on the AR1 vs Giant TCR Advanced 2? I was thinking of using the bike 80road/20gravol

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hmmm I know the TCR has more clearance than they have in the past. I believe they are at 32c now. If your gravel is pretty hardpacked then I would say the TCR. Our gravel here can be so many different things from one day to the next, sandy, washed out, choppy. It just depends on the weather so I would lean towards the Contend AR for my area but if you have some nice smooth gravel and will rarely be on it, go with the TCR.

[@dvs70]

Interesting build. I have an Advanced Pro, but I'm interested in dabbling in gravel. This might be my next purchase. Thanks

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I really think this is a sleeper when it comes to gravel. It is such a great bike, especially with some wider tires on the dirt. I do not think you will be disappointed.

[@eamonjosephus]

Did you upgrade the stem?

[@GrouEEf]

Dude, thanks again for your videos! I got the contend AR 1 with SLR1 36 carbon wheels, gravel setup: Conti Terra speed in the back, Terra trail in the front. Any ideas on where best to save some more weight? Do you think the SLR seatpost is a good investment? It's about 125€ upgrade price from the standard D fuse seatpost and saves about 100g. The stem will be replaced by a kalloy uno stem- should save about 50g. The rs510 crankset will be replaced with my old r7000 crankset- saving about 200g. Also I replace the conduct brakes with the RT70S rotors, that should save another 100g at least. Have you got other ideas?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks so much for the great feedback! You sound like you have a lot of great ideas for dropping weight. Something you can try to do is make a spreadsheet with all the parts and their weights listed and the price so you get an idea of what to change out next to save as much weight for the $. After Wheels and tires, cranks are usually your next largest area. I would even look at a lighter crank if you can find one but once again you deal with more $. A crank I have been testing on the MTB is the Xcadey Power meter. That crank is only about 40 grams heavier than some of the lightest cranks out there and you get a power meter with it for around $375. I would change out the Seatpost bc the carbon will also help with comfort. Most of the time with drivetrain, I would ride what you have until it wears out and then look at upgrading.

[@seanmeissner2235]

How would you recommend it using pretty much only on roads with the stock set up ? And a small amount on dirt

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Sean, thanks for watching. I really think that is the sweet spot for this bike. It feels like a road bike but gives you the option to ride on dirt if you wanted or had some friends who were going on a gravel ride and you wanted to join them. The Contend SL Model has a little more of a road geo with shorter chainstays but the tire clearance is 32c and can maybe clear up to 35c but I haven't had a chance to confirm that yet. So if your gravel roads are very smooth with very little sand, the SL would probably work great but if I were you I would go ahead with the AR if you can.

[@seanmeissner2235]

Black Water Cyclist great thanks for the input!

[@fignon]

Do you refer threaded v push fit BB?

[@blizzbee]

3:07 LOL your bark wins lol

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

HAHA! Yeah after I do that, that usually will stay away from me. :)

[@s.stallone5350]

Need a little noob help with the list you provided: What size handle bars and what size stem should I select? I'll be doing this to the AR2 I'm hunting for here in Japan land. Thank You!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Ok so the AR 2 has the brake master cylinder on the front of the stem so you'll need to stay with the Giant stem. You won't be able to put an aero bar on that stem due to that master cylinder getting in the way. You would need a 31.8 handlebar. They make bars in different widths so depends on your shoulder width. They make them from 38-44cm ride (some make 46cm). I would just measure the width between your shoulders to help decide the width. I hope that helps. If you have anymore questions, do not hesitate to ask.

[@s.stallone5350]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thank You for the info! Much appreciated. :) My upgrade plans includes new brakes as I'm not a fan of the GIANT CONDUCT brake system. I like your upgrade path so I'm just going to copy that. :)

[@markmarlatt1105]

Was looking for a bike like this. Wanted something I could not break the bank with (AR 2) and yet could upgrade over time on my own.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

You have picked an amazing bike. I am still using my Contend AR and every time I look at another bike, I go through my checklist and the Contend AR just checks all the boxes. Thanks for watching.

[@markmarlatt1105]

@@BlackWaterCyclist the only other bike that seemed to be like this was the Ribble CX. Actually cheaper but end up paying for shipping to the US.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@markmarlatt1105 I have never actually seen the Ribble CX before and that is a sweet looking bike! Very similar to the Contend AR. Little bit more aggressive Geo but very close. Hmmm I may have to test one those out! :)

[@isolatedyear]

I would like to thank you, this video convinced me and I got the bike 2 days ago. I have a few questions, I can hear a slight noise coming from the brakes during rotation, is this normal for the disc brakes? Also sometimes I feel a click sound while paddling from the gears, like when you shift but not as loud. Thanks

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

So happy to hear you found the video beneficial. I am still riding mine today and love it. Is the sound coming from the disc brakes like a "ching" noise? That is fairly normal when you stand up to pedal but if it is doing it all the time, just need to adjust the brakes a little. Loosen the bolts, pull the brake lever hard and then tighten them back up. Since they are flatmount calipers, they can rotate when tightening them back up so may need to put a white piece of paper on the ground so you can then eyeball the rotor and the pads and manually center the caliper while tightening the bolts. I hope that made sense. As far as the ticking noise with shifting. That is probably the cable housing tightened up enough and caused a little slack in the cable which means it makes the rear derailleur off just a hair. You can adjust your barrel adjuster on the rear derailleur about 1 turn one way to see if it fixes it, if it makes it worse, turn it the other way 2 full turns. There are several videos on youtube on how to adjust a rear derailleur so that may help with the clicking noise. I plan to make a Bike 101 series of videos to explain all this and more and have it on my new site for everyone to use.

[@Piterrrxd]

@@BlackWaterCyclist when you pedal out of the saddle, there is a little disc rubbing?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@Piterrrxd Yes you can have a little rubbing when standing out of the saddle. That occurs on a lot of bikes with disc brakes, even mountain bikes. You can try to get your rotor as centered as possible in the caliper to reduce this but depending on the force applied when standing, you may still get that "ching" noise. It isn't harming anything mechanical, just more annoying than anything. Just be sure your axles are tight and try to center the rotor the best you can on the caliper.

[@jpage207]

Wow where in the world did you even find one this summer

[@isolatedyear]

@@jpage207 The middle east, it's still in stock. The reason is because it's very expensive here

[@krisg3135]

Hi if you still got this giant will you give me measurement from front axle to head set cap?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

So from the front axle to the top of the headset cap is 23.6 inches. Let me know if you need anything else measured.

[@alanjohnson8396]

You’re the most experienced voice I know of on these bikes so I’d like to ask your opinion on bike sizing for an AR 1. I’m 5’8” approximately 170 pounds with an inseam of approximately 30.5”. On Giant’s chart that puts me between a S and M. Either bike would probably be OK but what are the pros and cons of going in the smaller or larger direction? I’ve bounced this around a while now. Thanks so much and my compliments on the video.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Alan, great question. You sound like me with a Large or XL. In my opinion it really depends on where you like to sit in your bike. If you have more saddle setback, then the small will probably feel better. On the other hand, if you slam your saddle forward like I do, you will prefer the longer reach of the Medium. It has more to do with balance within the wheelbase in my opinion. If you slam your saddle forward on the small, you will weight the front wheel much more than medium. A small will feel a little more lively bc of the shorter wheelbase. You can make changes with your stem or saddle position to have your body in the same position in relation to the cranks on either size so I wouldn't fret too much on that. If you have more questions on it, let me know.

[@alanjohnson8396]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Great analysis. Thanks. I am a basically new but not young rider. I am still tweaking everything as I go. Thanks so much again.

[@manuelespinosa8781]

Have you compared this bike to the 2020 Revolt? Just wanted to know if there are any major differences in the handling and ride of the bikes. Thanks!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Manuel. I actually have not other than riding a Revolt around in the parking lot. Just looking at the Geometry, the Contend AR has a slightly shorter chainstays and a little steeper head tube angle so the Contend will probably have a little more lively feel to it than the Revolt. Based on other reviews, it sounds like the Revolt also has more give to it than other bikes. So I think if all you ride is gravel, go with the revolt, if you ride mostly road but want to also hit gravel occasionally and want a lively bike, go with the contend AR. I hope to get a revolt to review in the next few months. I hope that was helpful.

[@johnmckenzie5707]

What size 650b tires were those you fit on the AR 1 in the video?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi John, they were 650x47c. In my Giant Gravel bike comparison video I show better images of them in the bike. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4nNiIR8r6t2q7M

[@douglashv]

Hey mate, quick question from Australia. I got a Contend AR 4 and I'd like to take it to some single track MTB routes. I know I can't take it to harsh routes, but what sort of upgrades would you recommend for it?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Douglas, that is great that you got a Contend AR. If I were going to take it on trails, I would put some 650b x 47c tires in it to help absorb impacts from small roots and rocks. Otherwise a 700x38c tire would be more prone to having your rims hit the rocks and roots on hard impacts. You may want to put some sort of protection on the chainstay so the chain doesn't slap the paint off eventually.

[@douglashv]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Cheers mate, would the pedals drop too much on the Contend AR? Have you ridden those tyres on your Contend AR 1 ?

[@expectedlobster]

how stiff is the bike when hard pedalling? does frame flex when sprinting?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Mike, it is stiff but not like your top end road frames. It is definitely stiffer than the Carbon Salsa Warroad that I had before. It is not as stiff as my Giant TCX but feels very similar to the Giant Revolt Advanced. So I would put it right in the middle between the stiffest frames and the most flexy frames. I hope that helps.

[@jimmyhor78]

What's the steerer size? Will it accept a 1.1/8" stem?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Yes it will. It isa 1 1/8 upper steerer tube and a 1 1/4 lower.

[@tylerjenicek4652]

Do you have a link to the 40c tires you used or another recommendation? When I look for them I only see 42c and that might be a bit of a stretch with clearance considering their website only mentions a 38c ability. Also, do you know if the stock wheels can fit 38c-40c tires? I’m not sure how all of that works. One last question, haha. If I wanted wider tires I’d have to get full set of 650b. Would I have to adjust anything to use them or can they just be swapped out used without a hefty amount of adjustments?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Tyler, here is a link to the Continental Speed Rides I use. amzn.to/2TsBydN They actually measure narrower than 42c. Mine measured 41c set up tubeless. As a heads up, they are not tubeless so I just ran an extra layer of tubeless rim tape on my rim for them to work. The site says 38c but it can clear 41c or even 42c easily. Yes the stock wheels should fit those sizes with no issues at all. You really just need to but another set of 650b wheels and tires. If the hubs are a little different from your other hubs, you may have a little rotor rub so may need to adjust your brakes after installing the 650b wheels. Also the cassette may not line up just like your other cassette on the other hub so you may need a slight barrel adjustment on your rear derailleur. Both of those are worse case scenarios, most of the time you can just throw on the other wheels with no adjustments. Hope that helps.

[@tylerjenicek4652]

Black Water Cyclist thanks for all of the info! I picked up my Contend AR1 last weekend 🎉 Left everything stock for now but I’m excited to explore with some upgrades in the future.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@tylerjenicek4652 That is awesome! If you get a chance, send me a pic of it on Instagram in a direct message. Would love to see it, even if it is just stock. Have you been able to ride it much yet?

[@tylerjenicek4652]

Black Water Cyclist I’ve only gotten a few quick rides in so far but I enjoyed each one! My neighborhood is basically just steep hills so it’s nice to know my bike can them easier for me, haha. I can’t wait to get out and try it out on some different routes, though!

[@m.k.2769]

Hey how much das the Giant Contend AR 1 weight in regual shop configuration?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi, I believe it is around 21-22 lbs.

[@m.k.2769]

@@BlackWaterCyclist oh ok thats quite heavy for a "road bike"

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@m.k.2769 Yes it is but the frame is not actually that heavy, it is all the low end components on it. I got the large down to 17.5 lbs. I dropped two lbs with the wheels and tires alone. That gets it in the ballpark for a decent weight for a gravel bike. I have all this in the video if you watch it.

[@m.k.2769]

@@BlackWaterCyclist is it diffrent in America? In Germany there is pretty much no way to order this bike at the moment :/

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@m.k.2769 Actually was just at the shop and the LBS said that basically Giant has pushed to 2021 for supplies and he said may not see new bikes until October. Some of the Kids bike companies are getting stock in July. Hopefully it will be sooner than later.

[@rifat3264]

Hello! Tell me please, is it possible to mount rear frame mounted touring carrier?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Sorry for the delay. Yes you can. The bike comes with a piece that connects to the Seatpost that allows you to attach a bag frame to it.

[@rifat3264]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thank you!

[@lazybeastz182]

i want this bike or some thing good cuz I want out of my escape 3

[@th0masvu]

thoughts on Contend AR 1 vs Specialized Diverge E5

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I have not had the chance to test ride the Diverge E5 but looking at the numbers, it looks like a great bike and very similar to the AR. Not sure if the tire clearance is as large on the E5 vs the AR but that would be the only thing I see it not being as good as the AR. I know they claim the E5 can clear 38c so it has to be pretty close to the AR.

[@cleison.]

I think the difference is that Specialized is super gravel focused - tires and groupset. This giant comes with road groupset (no clutch) and tires ok for road and light gravel.

[@jerrelerasmus]

Would it be worth to get this and slowly upgrade it? Or just keep saving for a higher end bike? Edit: Never owned one before

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Jerrel, that is a tough question because there are so many other variables like what type of riding you want to do, going with another company's bike or what. In the Giant's line up, the next model up is the Giant Defy Advanced but with that bike you get limited tire clearance down to a 35c so if you only plan on riding roads and very smooth gravel, I would save up for the Defy Advanced but if you plan to hit some rougher terrain and still have that road feel, the Contend AR really covers that. You can check out my review of the Giant Revolt Advanced comparison and it really felt sluggish as a road bike but felt more like one of those bikes you ride for like 6 plus hours. Now some other companies have similar features as the Contend AR but cost a lot more, like the 3T exploro where the frameset alone is $3000. So in that situation, get the Contend AR 1, upgrade the wheels and tires and you have a bike that is very competitive against higher end bikes without committing a lot of money towards it. I know I probably just made the waters muddier but I hope that helps.

[@jerrelerasmus]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thank you!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thank you for watching. If you had a Giant Contend AR, what upgrades would you make to it?

[@eddievega1100]

Wheels and tires , saddle .

[@dvs70]

Wheels or least a decent tubeless tire, 1x. My current winter training gravel bike is almost 30lbs.

[@africandoo]

RedShift ShockStop. Have you maybe tried it already? Not only for gravel use is a great relieve for your hands and overall ride satisfaction.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@africandoo I actually have not tried it but I've seen it and wanted to try it for those crazy rough gravel roads. Have you had a chance to try one yet?

[@africandoo]

@@BlackWaterCyclist I've got mine for about a month nie, and couldn't find a word to express my happines and appreciation for RedShift. The city/forrest rides are now so smooth, all in all, highly recommend!

[@chrisgiannone5937]

How;s the geometry? and what size frame are you on for weight purpose> Great review

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thanks Chris. This is a size large. If you want true geometry numbers, be sure to look at the PDF file giant has of all their 2020 models because the website is showing the Contend SL Geo for the AR. I love the Geo on this bike, very balanced not to be too sluggish for road but steady enough for some gravel and dirt.

[@chrisgiannone5937]

@@BlackWaterCyclist AHH good call, No surprise the geo is a blend of the Defy, TCR, and TCX. Thinking of ripping off the geo for custom Waltly Ti

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@chrisgiannone5937 I would love to see what you come up with for a Ti bike! I am a bit of a chainstay nazi so if I were to get it custom, I would try to get the maker to make the chainstays as short as possible to give it that road bike feel but still keep the tire clearance. Would probably have to drop the chainstay for that.

[@chrisgiannone5937]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Checkout Waltly. You can get custom geo ti frame (made in china)for $1000 USD shipped. Solid reviews online

[@sergiomarron1666]

how tall are you?

[@manuelespinosa8781]

So how much more was invested with the aero wheels, RED groupset, and other parts?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

So I got all the extra parts used from others and probably spent about $1000 on everything but that was a slow progression of finding great deals. I would say probably about $1500 if you were buying used without waiting for great deals. Thanks for watching and if you have any more questions please ask.

[@TheRossFischer]

May I ask how tall you are and white size frame you went with? Thanks for the video.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Ross, in my football playing days they would say 6'2 but I am actually closer to 6'1. I went with a Large but could have gone with the XL. I prefer the more lively feel of the shorter wheelbase of the Large.

[@TheRossFischer]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thanks for the reply. I am 6'1.5" so it is not always easy when I feel like I am in between sizes. I have looked at the Revolt but for the $$ I think I should stay open-minded towards the Contend. Thanks, again.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@TheRossFischer I actually just finished my 3 part series on the Giant Revolt vs Giant TCX vs Giant Contend AR that may help you in your decision. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5u7YnacfrKfrZY

[@chrisphillips6229]

It would be great to know the size of the frame...ie; M,L,ML, XL. would change the weight exponentially.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Chris! Sorry I should have clarified that in the video but this is a Large. I recently weighed the frame as well and it was about 1400 grams without the fork. With the fork it was around 1850 grams. Your super light weight carbon frames are around 1000-1100 grams usually.

[@chrisphillips6229]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Good to know. thanks.

[@ctsingletonboxing2829]

What size brand and road tires did you go with?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I went with the Continental Grand Prix 5000 in 700x32c. Love them!

[@ctsingletonboxing2829]

@@BlackWaterCyclist thank you so much love the channel

[@Breakbeat]

Nice work! I couldn't decide between a Revolt 0 and this bike until I watched your videos but now I'm convinced that the Contend AR 1 will do great on the road, dirt and gravel mix I ride on, and it's very upgradeable! I had to order one from halfway across the country since they're so hard to find now, but it's on its way to me now and I can't wait. A couple of questions: What are the stock pedals on this bike? I can't seem to find any specific info on Giant's site other than 'Pedal with toe clips/straps'. I emailed the bike shop where I purchased but they're super busy with orders so I haven't heard back. If they're pedals that require shoes with clips, could you suggest some fairly narrow platform pedals?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Kai, So glad that you were able to get one of the Contend AR bikes. As far as the stock pedals, they are just some basic flat plastic pedals that come on all bikes. They aren't clipless or anything. They may come with little cages but I do not recall them coming with my bike. People usually prefer specific pedals so companies do not try to guess what pedal to stock on their bikes. Happy that the videos were helpful for you.

[@Breakbeat]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thanks for the info! I can definitely see why they'd let people choose their own pedals - so many options and personal preferences to consider. After being inspired by your review I'm already researching which rims/tires to upgrade to save on weight (and increase suppleness) but coming from an mtb background (my current bike is 30 lbs) I'm sure the stock AR 1 will feel very light, even if it's "heavy" by road bike standards. Any thoughts on the Specialized Pathfinder Pro 2bliss ready 700x38Cs? I'm looking for an all-round tire that can handle some rockier gravel from time to time. Eventually I'll get a second set of wheels for off road but the Pathfinders look like they can handle a wide variety of surfaces. Any advice is appreciated! (:

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Kai, I am so sorry for the delay. The Pathfinder tires would be perfect! They have a really good tread pattern for rolling fast and some tread on the sides for turns. My favorite tires are the ones in the video, Continental Speed Rides but they aren't rated for tubeless although I was able to run them tubeless by adding an extra strip of tubeless tape in the rim. I could see those being an issue with rocks although I have never had a flat with them. Have you been able to find some Pathfinders yet?

[@Breakbeat]

Black Water Cyclist I haven’t bought a set of Pathfinders yet. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised by how the stock tires handle on rough gravel and even some sand. I really thought they’d just sink into looser stuff or be all over the place in terms of grip but so far they’re great! They aren’t very supple as you mentioned in your video but until I’ve saved up for some extra rims and a set of Pathfinders they’ll do just fine. Thanks for getting back to me - your thoughts are appreciated!

[@frodobeutlin4368]

I want to upgrade my wheelset... any recommendations? cheers :)

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

I would look at some HUNT wheels if they are in stock. A Taiwanese company that my friends have had good experiences with is EiE carbon. Those are probably your cheapest options for good wheels. If I run across any others, I will let you know.

[@frodobeutlin4368]

Black Water Cyclist

[@pupandhistruck3506]

Love the video and very interested in the bike! Getting my first road bike and looking for something in the $1.5k-$2k range with an endurance focus for longe rides and some Olympic length triathlons. Pretty much down to this and a Giant defy. My thought is to go with this at the price point and upgrade the wheels to save the 2 pounds at a later date when I have more spending money. Should I just spring for the defy or do you think this would do well in endurance road rides?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Thank you for watching. If I were you, I would go with the Contend AR just because it has very similar Geo to the Defy, You can get some nicer wheels for it, and it will ultimately give you the option to try some gravel if you want to in the future. In my opinion, you have many more pros with the Contend AR than the Defy.

[@pupandhistruck3506]

Black Water Cyclist thank you! Just ordered (hard to beat 0% financing for 6 months when I couldn’t find a used option). Which carbon wheels did you put on yours?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@pupandhistruck3506 I am actually using some LightBicycle Rims laced to some Novatec Hubs. Definitely more budget oriented but they work great. I can't justify spending $1000 plus on wheels. I think you are going to love it! You have any wheels you are thinking about going with?

[@pupandhistruck3506]

Black Water Cyclist a friend recommended Hunts aero light disc set but I need to do some more research! Not trying to spend a bunch either. Will give yourself a look as well!

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@pupandhistruck3506 The Hunts are great budget wheels and are a real work horse. My buddy has a set as his training wheels and he loves them. The weights are respectable and they appear to hold up well.

[@jackdanyal4329]

that weird cable on the fork. Giant, why?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Yeah it is actually a regular external hose routing but I like to run my hose behind the fork because it allows the hose to follow along the left shifter housing and I can shrink wrap them together. In my opinion it creates a cleaner looking cable routing instead of the front brake hose crossing in front of the head tube and rubbing the headtube like crazy. Just personal preference on my part, not Giant's cable routing.

[@ironrobin]

Just picked up the Contend AR 3 since I’m more entry level. As far as upgrades go what is most bang for my buck when considering the 3?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

You made a great choice. By far the most bang for the buck initially would be some nicer tires. Save your money and purchase some lighter wheels and that bike will be golden for you for a long time. Let me know how it treats you!

[@ironrobin]

@@BlackWaterCyclist Thanks for the tips! Hm I just noticed on the Giant website: *Tubeless System available only on Contend AR 1 and Contend AR 2 models. Does this mean I will not be able to run tubeless on my 3?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@ironrobin So the 2 and 3 models both have the same wheels so you just need tubeless tires which is something you are going to upgrade eventually anyway. So you are still good.

[@lukaszem9451]

Frame size?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Lukasz, it is a size Large.

[@Kotzfunkel]

What’s up, Billy?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Simon!!!! Great to hear from you buddy! Hope things are well man.

[@rafemordente]

just got this bike...can you reccomend a lighter wheel set?

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Congrats on buying an awesome bike! You can find some wheels used on ebay or facebook for decent deals but if you would prefer to buy new, I would look at the Hunt wheels. They are Tubeless, wide profile, lightweight, and do not cost an arm and a leg. Sometimes they are limited on supplies but I think it is worth the weight.

[@HikeBikePhoto]

dude your channel would get so much more subscribers if you'd get a gopro 8 and mount it either onto your bike, helmet or chest. the way you'e filming now is stressful to watch with the camera jittering about and moving all the time.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

Hi Dan, Thanks for the feedback man! Yes I am new to this and the new GoPro 8 I have been eyeballing because the stabilization is unreal on it. I also just got a gimbal for my chest mount for the mtb and gravel rides so looking forward to testing that out.

[@HikeBikePhoto]

Black Water Cyclist Fuck yea dude!

[@hountybunter]

I understand that weight is a thing.. but sometimes People talk about 1.5 kilogram difference is something crazy, and will spend hundreds or thousands for a lighter bike, and yeah sure i understand when you are pro everything counts . But i think most People Who ride could save alot of cash by instead spending all that money on bike parts.. they should lose some weight themselfs 😅

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

LOL!!! That is exactly right! Everyone loves the feel of the acceleration of a light bike right when you start pedaling but after that initial start, the weight doesn't matter.

[@hountybunter]

@@BlackWaterCyclist haha thnx for responding, i kinda bought the Giant contend AR1 2022 because of your channel. Nice videos with quality contend! Like and sub for you! Keep up the goodwork.

[@BlackWaterCyclist]

@@hountybunter Appreciate the support! I am still rocking my Contend AR today.

[@blekfut5763]

You're lying. This bike - even with the 1500g wheels - is sluggish as hell. Hard to accelerate and hard to ascent. It is a good bike, but if you want to ride race bicycle - don't buy it.