Give Me an Answer - If Atheism Is True We Will Never Know Anything Other Than We Are Fertilizer!

[@itsjoshbarranco]

I cannot get enough of these conversations.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

You're an Atheist because they love to argue these conversations until you stop them. Just because a person doesn't believe in the Christian faith doesn't make it not true.

[@Praise___YaH]

YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@elvin3204]

Same😅

[@floyaljohnson7716]

same

[@williamjaredsimmons1201]

I think iam addicted 😩

[@JTamilio]

Ever notice that when we get the answer to a question that’s limiting us, we don’t say, “Oh wow! That’s amazing! Maybe I need to reconsider my position.” Instead, we say, “Well, what about…?” and ignore the fact that an excellent answer was just given to our first question.

[@5145liam]

Yeah, thats because our ego and identity is attached to the argument. We can't even begin to imagine we are wrong because what that would entail is too painful a thought. Instead, we jump to another 'what about this' instead of taking the argument, understanding and deconstructing it. I sometimes don't change my mind, not initially because my emotions are attached so I understand when others don't change their minds either. We are human, not completely rational.

[@marincusman9303]

Exactly. Amount of objection does not equal validity of objection

[@panes840]

That's very true. People have way to big egos

[@arieanne3507]

Anyone opening this comment and it's been at least 1 month since the last comment on this thread. Could you just type a little @arie anne so I'm reminded of the truth these people spoke. Thank you

[@keyboy1001]

@@arieanne3507 sure thing!

[@markh-s7963]

All atheists need to read the book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel (also a movie). He was an atheist on a mission to disprove Jesus Christ once & for all. But the more he looked at all the evidence he changed his mind & found the truth. God bless that brother & all people honestly seeking peace for their souls. ☺🙏

[@evanskip1]

The book is full of fallacies. Paulogia debunked that book superbly!

[@pwoods100]

I have read it - not only can I refute it but other Christians can even refute Strobel's book. There is a Christian historian named Laura Robinson who debunks Strobel quite nicely. Lee Strobel also had to correct a huge error he made with the first edition of the Case for Christ. He believed in the Varderman Coin claims that archaeologist McRay told him about, but it ended up being completely false. Not only that but Lee only interviews evangelical Christians in the book - and never any non-Christian scholars. This is completely dishonest and it gives Lee permission to cheat, which does not sit well with me. An honest journalist interviews both sides - not just the side he believes in. Lee Strobel is a joke - and a bad one at that.

[@Praise___YaH]

YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@pwoods100]

@@Praise___YaH No one can even show that Moses even existed. As far as your claims are concerned I would have to consult a phd Christian scholar, a phd Jewsih scholar, and an atheist bible scholar. If they all agreed that your claims were correct, you might have something - but I doubt that.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

I have read (actually listened) this very book and found each argument presented to be fallacious or not based on sound premises. The only population that find Strobel's arguments convincing are those who were already convinced.

[@justaguy328]

I'm always heartened to see the group of kids just sitting on university steps listening to this debate. This is what real education looks like.

[@bobbyo1776]

Amen

[@theholycrusader8022]

The gentleman in the glasses was fascinating to watch. He stumbled all over his words and made insane logic leaps. Not to mention he would bring up a point, stand on it, then when cliff would answer, he would immediately jump ship to a new point.

[@SecretosSagrados]

12:42 This is where the guy's worldview falls apart. His argument is that according to him it's intolerant for us to call out other cultures' evil when they slaughter people in order to become man. Imagine if HE was the one being chase by these savages. Lol, he would change his tune rather quickly.

[@onlimi616]

That student understands culture but he doesn't understand secular morality or the basis for such morality within a culture or society.

[@walterdaems57]

Even then he is less ridiculous than Cliff, the jumping jester :)

[@jessebryant9233]

@@onlimi616 And that basis is? Rational and consistent or merely pragmatic?

[@onlimi616]

@@jessebryant9233 Well, of all of the secular morality explanations that I've heard, I like Matt Dillahunty's the best. And that is, if people can agree that the happiness and well being is the goal of the society, then you can objectively measure whether actions "morally" agree with that or not. So for example, take that story in the Bible where men went to war but didn't have enough virgin women spoils of war to go around for all the men, so they hid in bushes and stole women from a village. You can argue that was morally wrong because though it makes the men happy, that goes against the happiness and well being of the kidnapped women. So, do you get the idea?

[@elimartin4107]

@@onlimi616 Here is why Matt's explanation doesn't work. Because the people saying that happiness and general well being of society should be the goal get that moral standing from God not themselves. If there was no God we would have no concept of what good is. We are made in God's image that's why we have morality.

[@nikokapanen82]

When people say "you have no other proof but one book, the Bible" they do not understand that Bible is not one book, it is a collection of many books and letter by many authors talking about the same events. Its like if some historian would collect all the historical info about Napoleon in one book, then some atheist would read it and afterwards say, "come on, just one book about him and you expect me to believe Napoleon existed? Not buying that".

[@zoomkaboom1]

exactly! lol These kids need to be taught correctly. I used to be one of them that thought the same.

[@adgeese]

Sort of. But the Caubus and Byblis, written by Ovid in the Metamorphoses is going to date at the time of Christ. Did you discard this book to empower your own language? Here we refer to Latin literature and not Mesopotamian (your Messiah/semetic teacher). Do you give credit to the language or the people? Sounds like you want a great story and people to believe behind it. Further, history was defined by a Greek man with a revelation. So to assume we will all use it with a comb of truth is far-fetched. I will weigh the purified gold and declare it's value; I will not take your word as decrypting your history to decipher a moment of truth is asinine.

[@djf750]

but don't some of them contradict the others??

[@an9l1c1sm6]

The bible condones slavery.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

But can you provide ANY _evidentiary facts_ that can substantiate the Christian claim that a god exists? Yes or no.

[@davidconstant2478]

I applaud the questioning. It’s evident that, in most cases, these kids have read something. But, I think many of their questions demonstrate that they’ve not really read enough, especially the Bible, and other sources to validate or invalidate their beliefs.

[@blacksuburban2410]

They’re not getting their arguments or ideas from the source material. They’re parroting arguments from projects like Zeitgeist.

[@sophiaangelini4368]

Great to see a student who dares to actually think..

[@edluckenbill8363]

I agree 👍

[@clearascrystal4960]

You mean "think" as you do?

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@clearascrystal4960 debating and not insulting more like it, cliffe doesn't just talk to people who think like him.

[@yasminflores5598]

Keep them videos coming cliffe,God bless

[@MissB1]

I just love this guy named Cliffe, he has such a great way of talking to people, God bless him and his family ❤️

[@eddiegood1776]

This asian guy makes no sense. Even if all things come from God, even evil, doesn't absolve the individual of choice.

[@kalobrogers235]

The kid right from the very beginning is right the book of Isaiah says God creates all things. Is Satan a Creator or humans a Creator? did we synthesized and create anything? Did Satan synthesized and create anything from nothing? No, God has seen the end from the beginning and he created the end from the beginning knowing that evil would come about therefore he did create evil because God has created all things there is no way around that. But where people get it twisted is they think that is wrong but God has the right to create from his will as he wishes for his own Divine will.

[@kalobrogers235]

Also the Apostle Paul writes about the saved being predestined and the Saints being predestined because God has chose them from the beginning so in that sense no there is no free will the Bible not once says that men have free will it may feel free to us but God has seen the end from the beginning and he is the only Creator therefore he has created the end from the beginning. Including all of your choices

[@chapter404th]

@@kalobrogers235 nope. The correct translation is calamity, not evil.

[@kalobrogers235]

@@chapter404th calamity, destruction, chaos, evil. They are all correct and mean the same thing in essense. Is destruction good, is calamity good? Is destruction neutral is calamity neutral? No, they are all in essence evil.

[@kalobrogers235]

@@chapter404th did Satan create evil, and therefore is a partaker in creation and therefore part of God the one true God? No, he is not a creator everything physical and nonphysical was created by God good and evil light and darkness, all things. Because there is no other creator.

[@thunderx3005]

Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven amen 🙏🏾✝️

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

"I AM the way, the truth, and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through me". - Jesus

[@jasonnoble7814]

Only if heaven exists Which is unlikely

[@jasonnoble7814]

@@GraftedOliveBranch Dave said something similar

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

@@jasonnoble7814 I've known Dave for years. He would never say something like that.... It's just not something that Dave would ever say.

[@jasonnoble7814]

@@GraftedOliveBranch Do you know Dave and also that the Christian God exists ?

[@taylor-bh8re]

I think that smart young man Cliffe was talking to in the second half of the video is going to come to faith in the Lord. He's on his way. Go Cliffe!

[@LiquidatedAgain]

These are amazing man. keep making these

[@mrp1224]

Church bells ring at the perfect time amen.

[@catholicmurph7707]

I was just about to say the same thing 😄

[@cincin4515]

Yes. This happens on another of these video's too at the exact right moment.

[@steveo14]

Love this young man's questions. He needs to give these questions to David Lynn and Frank Turek. That would be an interesting watch!

[@primeminister66]

Would be cool but idk if they would’ve answered this any better

[@PlanBMarketing]

Thank you for your willingness to put yourself in front of these children...I am in awe of your abilities and thank God that you use them to his ultimate good.

[@EranRicos]

It’s good that he’s asking questions. I’m not sure that he is seriously listening to absorb the answers before he goes to the next topic. Western education is filled with skepticism. That is not interested in answers or thinking through topics. I hope this young man finds peace.

[@Aethelvlad]

8:22 that clock always has the most powerful and impactful timing possible, LOL

[@mindofmike3117]

When the young Asian man kept saying “but they’re all in the Bible” I was hoping cliff said something like “so you take away the validity of something because a group came before you and asked the same questions as you and then put that evidence together already”

[@Praise___YaH]

YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@thunderx3005]

Daily reminder Jesus loves you amen 🙏🏾✝️

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

Amen brother.

[@valroniclehre193]

No he doesn't. Your religion is as wrong and silly as all the others.

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

@@valroniclehre193 LOL... Says the person who is obviously an Atheist and therefore believes that nothing can produce something. 🙄

[@valroniclehre193]

@@GraftedOliveBranch I don't believe that though. Yet I get the feeling you will still stick me with it.

[@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori]

@@GraftedOliveBranch 🤦🏻 This kind of arrogance even with such level of ignorance is what is so telling about thiests and their thinking process.

[@googletaqiyya184]

20:00 Motivation: A better life with more options for myself and my descendants, in order that they can be free to live as THEY choose without violating the rights of others. Never assume things will not get horribly worse, and for a very long time. The keys are freedom and rights applied as equally as possible.

[@junkiedropouts3186]

Very arbitrary and self-centred, but at least you've thought about it.

[@googletaqiyya184]

@@junkiedropouts3186 Ya. U think of strangers 1st! Buhahaha! Infant

[@faithhope7777]

If the multitude of books is a symbol of truth, then truly, man is your god...! I admire this young man. He is on a journey trying to seek answers, with all hopes and prays, I Hope someone took notice... When he finds the truth, his Soul will be at peace, and his questions will be answer... God Bless

[@Chris-hw4jz]

I liked how the bells went off as soon a he said those things of Jesus

[@haw-chaw-chawcalypse]

The kid is a smart cat, but Cliffe has a firm but loving rebuttal for everything.

[@sayezulu8071]

Without God , hope, faith, love sure is a return to dust before Adam

[@axsent801]

Blessings 🙌the heart of sin is pride.

[@tannyaj4051]

100%

[@WhatTruthIs]

If you tell a man that God is demanding no good works of him whatsoever, no religious observances or church ordinances, that God is not asking him to undertake any duties at all, but that God invites him to believe a glad message that his sins have already been dealt with at the Cross, and that God expects him to believe this good news and be exceedingly happy about it. If you tell an unsaved man such a story at this, he is astonished and overwhelmed-yet this is the Gospel! Our Apostle, Paul, reveals the following great doctrines; 1. The unrighteousness before God of all men. 2. The impossibility of justification by works before God- that is, of any man’s attaining a standing of righteousness before God by anything done by him. Do what a man may, he is a condemned sinner still. 3. The fact and the Scripturalness of righteousness on the free gift principle-that is, of Divine righteousness, separate from all man’s doings, conferred upon man as a free gift from God. 4. Propitiation-that satisfaction of God’s Holy Nature and law for man’s sins rendered by Christ’s blood. 5. Reconciliation-the removal by Christ’s death for man of that obstacle to righteousness which man’s sin had set up between God and man. 6. The plan of the actual conferring of the gift of righteousness upon all who believe, without any distinction. This change of a sinner’s standing before God, from one of condemnation to one of righteousness, is called Justification. Negatively, it is deliverance from guilt on account of Christ’s shed blood and deliverance out of the old creation by identification in death with Christ on the Cross. Positively, it is a new standing in the risen Christ before God. 7. Redemption-the buying back of the soul through the blood of Christ from sin; from the curse of the law-even death, involving exclusion from God under penalty; from the "power of death," which involves the hand of the enemy; and from all iniquity. 8. Forgiveness-the going forth of Divine tenderness in remitting the penalty for sin in view of the blood of Christ trusted in, and in complacency and fellowship to creatures who before were necessarily under Divine judgment. 9. Remission of sins-that is, the actual removing of transgressions or trespasses from the sinner, so that for all time and eternity his sins shall not again be upon him. 10. Identification-(see above, Justification). The great fact that those who are in Christ were united with Him at the Cross by God’s sovereign inscrutable act and were crucified with Christ and buried with Him, so that their history is now ended before God. And when Christ was raised up as the Firstborn of the new creation, they also were raised up with Him and their history began as new creatures in God’s sight in Christ, the Last Adam. Of course, in the experience of the Christian there comes a time when he is actually made partaker of this new life-that point of time when he is, as we say, saved, or converted, or born again, etc. Nevertheless, the life that is in every Christian came up out of the Tomb, and it is in Christ Jesus that a man is created anew. 11. Incorporation-This tremendous doctrine Paul alone mentions, and he makes it practically the foundation of all his exhortations to the saints with regard to their conduct and life. By "incorporation" we mean the fact that all those who are really saved and are new creatures in Christ Jesus become members of one organism (called "the Body of Christ"), which is more real than the very earth we tread upon-Christ Himself in Heaven being the Head of this Body and every real Christian a member of it. So that believers are thus members of Christ in Heaven and also members one of another here on earth. No wonder Paul is able to exhort the saints to love one another when they are members one of another! (Rom. 12; 1 Cor. 12; Eph. 4). 12. Inhabitation-The wonderful fact that the Body of Christ and each member of it individually is inhabited, indwelt, by the Holy Spirit Himself, and not only so, but that the Church is being "built together" as a great temple of God so that in the future God’s actual eternal dwelling place will be this wonderful, mysterious company built into a building called "a holy habitation of God in the Spirit." This mystery is a great and marvelous one-the fact that we are saved, are partakers now of the life of the Lord in glory, that the Holy Spirit indwells us. 13. Divine Exhibition-That is, that through the Church in the ages to come is to be made known that which God counts His "riches," even His Grace (Eph. 2:7,3:10). Paul in his wonderful revelation declares that God hath reconciled the world to Himself; that God was in Christ (at the Cross) reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Cor. 5:19). Men do not know this, but they conceive that something stands between them and God before God will accept or forgive them. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Timothy 3: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. To be able to experience moral compunction so you can turn back to God, please hear Him speak to you, by hearing Him speak to you in Romans 1:18-3:20 Romans 1:18-3:20 classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom.+1%3A18-3%3A20&version=KJV

[@WhatTruthIs]

@Blah Blahblah You are so satanic. God will not let you continue much longer. This is your official rebuke led by the Holy Spirit. If you continue - you will be stopped in a way only you will know - it came from God. Turn back while you have time.

[@WhatTruthIs]

@Blah Blahblah Goodbye Satan. Another failure.....

[@WhatTruthIs]

@Blah Blahblah Paul is not a false apostle. You are either a great deceiver or greatly deceived. From your tone, your father is Satan. You must repent. Repent means change your mind. Farewell. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Timothy 3: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. To be able to experience moral compunction so you can turn back to God, please hear Him speak to you, by hearing Him speak to you in Romans 1:18-3:20 Romans 1:18-3:20 classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom.+1%3A18-3%3A20&version=KJV

[@DRayL_]

hehe.....religion wars!

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@DRayL_ I know, right? I enjoy watching these two out-idiot one another!

[@IanTanLK]

I feel the gentleman is dodging specific questions..

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

If you don't know the answer is it's all about faith which is trusting God. Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

[@chriswinchell1570]

I think you’re right and I have none. And I never had any, not even as a child. Religion is completely irrational. It all may be true but it’s so illogical that it requires faith that I cannot supply.

[@DRayL_]

@@chriswinchell1570 I feel the same way, chris. It isn't possible for me to "just have faith". It will never be something I could be honest about if it is "just faith".

[@tannyaj4051]

@@chriswinchell1570if i may(no disrespect to Cliffe) but id like to encourage you to search " atheist says, "give evidence your God exists without using your.." Its under the channel of The Beat by Allen Parr. He has a guest on and its really quite rich content. Hope it helps.

[@chriswinchell1570]

@@tannyaj4051 Hi Tannya. I dont think there’s a god but I wouldn’t want one anyway. A god would explain everything and that would be eminently depressing.

[@tannyaj4051]

@Chris i would like you to rethink it. Went would you even bother watching the debate unless you were interested in the truth to be revealed. Just do yourself the favor and watch it okay? I can assure you, there's an entire different reality waiting for you. The Way to The Life is through THE Truth. Humble your heart. It doesn't have to be this hard. You don't gave to go through life defending what you do not know.

[@factenter6787]

"Zoroaster's (Zarathustra's) mother Dughdova was a virgin when she conceived Zoroaster by a shaft of light."

[@florinaschilean6143]

so? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aamZkoJ4pshsmpI

[@empowermefitness618]

A shaft of light 😂

[@briggy4359]

Who would cause a Virgin to give birth? >all powerful designer of the cosmos simulation > 🔦

[@light_at_the_end_of_the_tu1350]

I like his way of teaching that no matter how much people is disagreeing with him he still Tell's them that their right when they are

[@cnote459]

It’s crazy when they lose their track and defends other’s culture that tolerates murder motivated by evil, this kid is not processing these answers by Cliffe. God have mercy, praying for everyone.

[@robfield-n7v]

Numbers 6:24-26, Deute. 28, Joshua 1:7-8, Psalms 1, Psalms 24, Haggai 2:8, Psalms 139, Daniel 3:25-26, Jonah (4:2), Matthew 4:23-24, Matth. 6:9-15 & Matth. 12:31-32 Matth. 17:1-5 & Matth. 28:18, Matthew 18:21-35, Matthew 25:31-46, John 1:1-3 & 1:14, John 4:23-24, John 8:32-58, John 10:10 & 10:30, John 11 (vs. 25-26), John 14:6-7, 11 Timothy 3:16-17, Revelation 18, Revelation 19, Revel. 20:10-15, Revel. 21:8,

[@Kni7]

I don’t understand how someone can devote so much time in reading so many other bibles from other religions and not believe in God. If you don’t believe in the Lord then don’t purposely disrespect him

[@Skoomz_yo]

They can't disrespect God tell they know and if you know then you tasted of the world to come, see acts 5

[@colinmatts]

I don't believe in Big Foot. Am I purposely disrespecting him?

[@Skoomz_yo]

@@colinmatts no lol like I said you have to know, ppl have faith bigfoot is real, faith is believing without seeing

[@onlimi616]

@@colinmatts Yes you are disrespecting bigfoot. And when you die, he's going to stomp you! So you'd better start believing in him and being nice to him now! And if it turns out he's not actually real, well you haven't lost anything. But if he is real, you won't get stomped after you die. So you better believe in him and say nice things about him, waddaya got to lose?

[@colinmatts]

@@onlimi616 Where do I join the church of Big Foot. You've really scared me now.

[@sayezulu8071]

This young man keeps the word and he’s in love with God’s true

[@danweaver4304]

Zoroastrianism was nearly dead for almost 12 centuries, from about 600 AD to 1800 AD. Today there are still less than 1 Million adherents (far fewer than Judaism). As a consequence, it is believed about 3/4 of the verses in the Avesta were lost to antiquity, and the oldest manuscripts date to 1010 AD, not thousands or hundreds of years BC. Modern Zoroastrianism bears little resemblance to its roots. In fact, the book of Isaiah (first reference to the Promised One's birth to a virgin, suffering & death, and resurrection) was written before 500-600 BC, when Zoroaster was born! Zoroastrianism's first references in other documents of antiquity were from the period of Babylonian captivity of the Hebrews, so it is clear Zoroaster copied from Judaism, and not vice versa. There is simply no comparison to Christianity, which has grown continuously from a few hundreds beginning in the 1st century AD until the present day total of about two Billion adherents. Millions more come to Christ each year. It is estimated more than one-third of the world will be Christian by 2100, and if it were not for the rapture of the church prior to Christ's return, I don't doubt some 10 Billion believers (half of the world's population) would exist by 2150. Christian scriptures add a New Testament to Hebrew scriptures (called the Old Testament), and together, these 66 books provide a complete history of the Earth from its Creation to about 120 AD, some 4500 years later. While the Bible isn't strictly a history book, every book of the Bible can be traced to an actual time, place, and in many cases, an author. The Zoroastrianism Avesta doesn't even attempt to provide history, but only fantastical (imaginary) account of the creation of a man and a bull by Ahura Mazda as the source of all living things.

[@DRayL_]

"Numbers of people" does not equate to "therefore factual claims". Just sayin'.

[@Malhaloc]

@@DRayL_ that was the first 2 sentences. Did you read the rest?

[@DRayL_]

@@Malhaloc What's your point? I addressed what I wanted to address. That "numbers of people believing don't make the claims therefore true". As for "the Bible as a history book",....that can be debated [and _is_ debated] at the university level religious studies programs.

[@cjtrouble]

​@@DRayL_ your false intellectualism is showing

[@DRayL_]

@@cjtrouble It's fascinating how you can know a person based upon one comment from 2 years ago. Well done.

[@roryboytube]

It's shocking how these students aren't prepared to listen. Every answer Cliff gave him he shrugged off and then moved onto another point but hasn't got the ability to express himself or his ideas properly but continues regardless with this persistent aggressive entitlement attitude that is so prevalent in colleges today. There really is no hope for them. When they leave college they are always in for a rude awakening.

[@heskeyns]

i just cant understand how all those students think they have a point and repeat it and NEVER listen. They are all capable of listening and understanding and the proof of that is their own question, but then they DONT LISTEN to the answer and just keep going in circle..... Is that how education works over there? repeat it until is true?

[@therick363]

Could say the same back the other way

[@kylestringer9191]

Christ's existence literally split time in half. It's the year 2021. Ok 2021 years since what? The life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I think someone that makes that big of an impact that 2000 years later we base out time on Him.

[@DRayL_]

@_@ Because.......the current calendar was set up BY Christians ~ 500 years after the claimed events. Christianity became a powerful entity at that time,....so....how is this supposed to be impressive?

[@thywillbedone3334]

So true man.. He has made the biggest impact on the Earth.

[@kylestringer9191]

I don't think Christianity was necessarily a powerful entity within the first 500 years after Christ. You were beaten and killed holding any such beliefs. Rome along with many others like the Jews didn't want Him being followed. But he made such a profound impact on 1000s of people all over the known world at that time that it couldn't be kept quiet. That says Son of God to me. That says He is exactly who who said he is and the world today is proof enough for me to see it an believe the Word of the Living God.

[@DRayL_]

@@kylestringer9191 Of course it was. It was the official religion of Rome in 323 CE. The number of people who believe a claim doesn't equate to that claim being "therefore true".

[@kylestringer9191]

But I believe that 500 or more people who are willing to be beaten tortured and killed all because they wouldn't say that no they had not seen the risen Christ gives pretty good credibility to the claims. I don't know anybody who would willingly die a brutal death for what they know to be a lie.

[@jayD4321]

He’s killing him with refutation to he’s worldview love this ministry it feeds me 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@davey2236]

I believe it would be easier for Cliffe to speak about the Canaanites being of nephilim decent. They were not fully human. Genesis 6:4. They were non redemptive. Another good source is Dr. Michael Heiser on this issue.

[@gweilospur5877]

They were not fully human - that’s how the Nazis justified the Holocaust.

[@davey2236]

Germans have a human bloodline Canaanites were of 1/2 human half not. Thus, non redemptive.

[@gweilospur5877]

@@davey2236 Are you an idiot? I am referring to the victims of the Holocaust, not the perpetrators.

[@davey2236]

@@gweilospur5877 Genesis 6:4 should clear this up for you. If not, I suggest you read also Reversing Hermon by Dr. Michael Heiser a very well known theologian.

[@gweilospur5877]

@@davey2236 The Bible cannot clear up it’s own nonsense.

[@arulraj3076]

All of you out there, live your to the fullest, and expect all things are good at the end of your life's journey ! Doomed, are all men.

[@MyChinton]

16:37 to 16:42 is the funniest part. Here the sigh coming from that student hahahah

[@derpypanda7]

I want to meet Cliffe

[@Brucev7]

He and his family are nice people

[@Guthix198]

If you go to heaven I'm sure you will if your going there in the first place.

[@redbaron8154]

@@Guthix198 LOLOLOLOLOL, if you are being sarcastic.

[@johnjohns2278]

I believe evil is equivalent to darkness or coldness. It's not necessarily a thing, just the absence of the opposite. Evil is the absence of good.

[@Bi0Dr01d]

I think there is more to it than that. Jesus said these words: Matthew 6:22-23 22¶The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. *If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!* I don't think it's referring to a literal light when it calls darkness "a light", but I believe it's referring to an aura, something that emits from the very being of a person when they are in darkness that has actual properties to it. It might be a corruption of an existing spiritual essence that at one point was pure and then was altered into a darkness, but there seems to me an actual presence evil that exists as a substance, it may still be true that it is the absence of good anyway, though it is an essence. I'm just saying that there could be more to it, or perhaps you're correct, but I thought I would make mention of this scripture.

[@valroniclehre193]

Evil is the suitcase term we use for things that are an affront to our perception of morality. It's not the absence of good. They aren't substances you can pump around.

[@Bi0Dr01d]

@@valroniclehre193 in a natural sense they're not substances, but they can be supernaturally speaking.

[@valroniclehre193]

@@Bi0Dr01d prove it

[@ivanbigcock426]

I believe that spouting religious nonsense is evil.

[@dazaiel8081]

Why is the first kid not understanding that mankind's standards of good and evil is not God's standard? I don't see the issue with understanding and accepting that.

[@DRayL_]

Ours is better.

[@dazaiel8081]

@@DRayL_ No. Human standards of good and evil are not better. They never have been... Lol.

[@DRayL_]

@@dazaiel8081 Sure they are. You're just seeing it from a very biased position. There are things that the Biblical "god" has been claimed to have done that I could never, nor would ever, actually do.

[@dazaiel8081]

@@DRayL_ I'm not seeing it biasedly. Human standards simply do not solve the problem of sin that condemns us already. No amount of "good" works, is enough to pay the wage of sin. Also, God is the foundation of morality, take him out the picture and you're left with moral standards that lack objectivity. Which is why they're not better standards. And, yeah, obviously you wouldn't have done what God has done... You're not a morally perfect being. No wonder, Daevon.

[@DRayL_]

@@dazaiel8081 The "god" of the Bible isn't good either. People just insist that it is because a group of people, long ago, claimed it to be the case. I don't think any actual 'god" exists. Those who created it were the imperfect ones who [then] set up an imperfect "god", then claimed it to be "perfect". It's not at all the case. The Biblical "god" is not even remotely a "foundation for morality'. Again, these were beliefs of ancient people only, and because they were barbaric, so was their "god concept", because it was all they knew. I never claimed anything as unattainable as "perfect morality". I am just stating that the Biblical "god" is far from even our level of morality. Again, people just insist that its actions are "perfect".

[@thepherm]

Thank you!

[@veiotisligon9140]

The first gentleman wasn’t ready

[@astin771]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

[@astin771]

God created evil to punish it. So that we, his children, can know him. Without evil, we would not know that God has wrath. He made us to love us, and so that we could know him. Wrath is a part of God that God chose for us to know about him. Also, we see his love for us more clearly when we see how it is for those who must suffer his wrath. He created this contrast for us, his chosen.

[@DRayL_]

@@astin771 Christian theology is really weird.

[@astin771]

@@DRayL_ What is weird about it?

[@DRayL_]

@@astin771 I don't need to explain what is obvious.

[@astin771]

@@DRayL_ Right. No explanation. Just anti

[@jwclarkpa]

actually, there are many accounts of Jesus from non-religious leaders one of such is Roman Senator Tacitus in his book Annals book 15 chapter 44, "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus..."

[@Praise___YaH]

YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Have you actually read _Annals?_

[@tornay131]

Proof for miracles? Or just stories.

[@Seek1stTheKingdomofYahawah]

They say they need more than the Bible which is a compilation of books to believe in Jesus, but they don’t complain that someone can get sent to jail for their entire life off 1 witness testimony.

[@jasonnoble7814]

Give an example of someone going to jail based on one person's testimony alone. Does not happen

[@spacecoastz4026]

Or read Darwin and believe in evolution.

[@Seek1stTheKingdomofYahawah]

@@jasonnoble7814 when I lived in Arkansas back in the early 2000’s there where plenty of guys who got sent to prison for murder based off one person saying they saw them do it. Not only in Arkansas but plenty other states. I know somebody personally his name is rolando hart he went to prison for murder when he was 15 based off witness testimony. You should watch what you say before you say what doesn’t happen. There’s plenty of things that have never been written that would blow your mind about the reality you think you know so well. Thank God we have the Bible to record the greatest thing that ever happened in history. God Bless You.

[@Seek1stTheKingdomofYahawah]

@@jasonnoble7814 do you just come to David’s channel to argue with people? All the comments I see you making are about trying to argue.God bless you

[@jasonnoble7814]

@@Seek1stTheKingdomofYahawah Name one person that eyewitness testimony put in jail ? “I have plenty” isn't one sir You have not given me anything like that here The court system does not work like that. otherwise people could go around putting others in jail for crimes they did not commit A prosecutor requires move evidence then what the courts call “he said she said evidence” You're claiming 1 witness testimony put someone in jail Give one example of this I'll wait 🤷‍♂️

[@michaelgallick4617]

Praise you Cliffe for teaching Gods Words from the Bible, and trying to bring people to God! Thank you Cliffe, and I pray for you and that God watches over you and keeps you safe!❤'🙏's

[@jelly7310]

Why isn't there any books written disputing the content's of Mathew, Mark Luke and John? Where did all those books go? Why didn't anyone write one?

[@DRayL_]

Who's to say there weren't. The church, especially when it came under Roman rule, made it a point to accept specific writings....calling others "heretical texts". We can't know what was tossed out that didn't fit _their_ narrative. Why? Because a strong religion, backed by the funding of a large group of people, has to do what it can to continue its growth. It was the power. So it grew.

[@jelly7310]

@@DRayL_ well I wouldn't think that a person writing a book disputing the 4 I mentioned would take it to the Romans for approval.

[@DRayL_]

@@jelly7310 With literacy, and the ability to write things down, not being a very common trait for that time period, it isn't surprising. And it would have still have had to of gained some level of acceptance in the first place. Ultimately, we cannot know what might have been lost in time. That we still have the "heretical texts" is fairly impressive. The notion that all works were retained into the present time seems unlikely.

[@jelly7310]

@@DRayL_ tell me all about the literacy of that time period. You guys always bring that up like every single person that lived then was illiterate. What was the literacy rate? How many literate people does it take to write a book?

[@DRayL_]

@@jelly7310 You can research the literacy rate on your own. But literacy alone isn't enough. You have to have access to medium. You have to have people willing to hear your side. And what if that writing wasn't accepted by those in power? It would be rejected. Most likely, lost in time. Why would it be copied over and over? It wouldn't [Unless you think early Christian leaders didn't have an agenda]. We don't even have original copies of the accepted books! It is highly unlikely that a story, running contrary to the accepted, would have retained a copy.

[@googletaqiyya184]

Stop referring to The Holy Bible as just a book! It literally means "The Holy Book". Not 'Holy Book' 'The Holy Book'. 99% of books have one author and are on one subject/topic. The Bible is a collection of books, songs and poetry covering over 60 authors and over 2500 years of time. Not like an Encyclopedia, but like a collection of historical records from multiple sources over a very long time.

[@mrcow2thereal]

Sheesh never been so early

[@LC-jq7vn]

Less then 10% of people could read or write and those people weren’t average peasants. Of course they didn’t waste their time writing it down for a while. Not to mention Israel and Judah had passed things down by mouth for thousands of years since Moses so they were trained to not lose information in that way.

[@j.whisper2379]

LC ! So are you arguing in favor of the bible or against it?? Word of mouth is the least reliable of all!

[@LC-jq7vn]

@@j.whisper2379 use your head. Not when thousands of people know it. You forget something you get corrected in the culture. Literally everyone knew it and would quickly get corrected. At Pentecost 3 thousand Jews learned the story and exploded it across the nations as God intended. These people were extreme. They had nothing but their faith and very little pleasures. Plus the Apostles wrote them. Not like we go off of word of mouth. No it wasn’t wrote down by random people hundreds of years later if that’s what your implying. And all text are translated from the same scriptures, they didn’t copy one after another slowly losing things. You should dive deep into these things. Heaven and Hell is on the line. You aren’t just going to die. I hope you put the pride down, and realize just what your getting ready to cost yourself. Your life is short and those sins aren’t worth it. Your pleasure is extremely short but hell fire is not transient.

[@j.whisper2379]

@@LC-jq7vn ! Hellfire! LOL! Commit child abuse and threaten your young children with that nonsense! Exploded it across the nations?? Funny the Chinese, Japanese, Thai, the Aborigines in Australia the oldest nation, and so many other older nations knew nothing of your flavor of BS, they had their own! Everyone is an atheist at birth, then you are thoroughly indoctrinated into your particular line of nonsense! If you were born in India you would worship Kali, if in Saudi Arabia, you would believe Muhammed flew to heaven on a winged horse, instead you believe in your line of fiction! Good luck with that! LOL!

[@j.whisper2379]

@@LC-jq7vn ! Use my head? Hmm! Thousands of people knew it! And they all had the same story and had it straight! I can see that! LOL!

[@j.whisper2379]

@@LC-jq7vn ! You bible thumpers are hilarious!! LOL!

[@tsgtezzy]

Either the last guys shirts on backwards or his heads on backwards. Something is off. Maybe the camera angle… 📐

[@vincentbruce9833]

Have faith in LOVE.

[@spacecoastz4026]

Is the young man behind Cliff at 18:12 his son? He looks like Cliff.

[@jessebryant9233]

Sometimes it's not so hard to put 2 and 2 together, is it?

[@Bi0Dr01d]

Many atheists say "the only honest position is 'I don't know'". That is precisely the problem with atheism... Atheism = *Never* knowing. Atheism is the *guaranteed path* to live 70, 80, 90, 100, or more years, *STILL* wondering whether or not God exists... It's a path with no hope. It's a path that's pointless. An atheist can sure make an argument about why he's not convinced of something, but one thing is for certain, you cannot go to an atheist to find the answers to the ultimate truth, and this is why an atheist is kidding himself. If you're an atheist, do yourself a favor and get out of it. Stop trying to find reasons to justify your atheism, and start trying to actually find answers. These are two different things, *and they have two different kinds of results...*

[@theoskeptomai2535]

I am not convinced that any god exists. So what exactly would you suggest I do?

[@Bi0Dr01d]

@@theoskeptomai2535 To determine whether your question is a real question or not, >>> *What are you going to do if I do not give you an answer?...*

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@Bi0Dr01d So you're not going to answer my question?

[@theomaimba9245]

@@theoskeptomai2535 Hey Theo! A question was asked if atheists don't believe in the existence of God, then does God believe in Atheists? Well the answer was no... He doesn't believe in Atheists. Funny Huh?

[@walterdaems57]

Wanting to know and being able to admit that one doesn’t know is a sign of intelligence. Claiming to know, the exact opposite.

[@joshuavasquez1able]

The arrogance that people have to think that God needs to show them personally that he exists. Show them personally his miracles. God gave his son as a testament to his love for us. That is all that's needed.

[@clearascrystal4960]

As an ex-atheist whom God answered, I ask if some just don't want to know the Truth...yet. I hope and pray they will, but, I think it will take some tribulation.

[@DRayL_]

It cannot be called "the Truth" if there isn't actual, credible, verifiable, repeatable [independently] evidence for the claim. I get that you think a "god" answered you.

[@clearascrystal4960]

@@DRayL_ That is your opinion, however if you are demanding that something not physical or spiritual be proven by "science" then you won't get any (at this time anyway). However there is plenty of evidence that life cannot come from nothing, or non-living matter. At age of 10 or 11 I thought of the eye (which we were probably studying) while walking home from school and looking at my hand and everything else around, and was amazed at how something physical can process anything not touched. That was my first remembrance of a Creator God. It was evolution taught as fact in honors history class that took away my belief, thinking it was "science" as taught. Science can only give physical information. It's the "scientist" that interprets it, and there are scientists on both sides of the issue. I say aquatic fossils on dry desert land is an indication of a flood. Since they are worldwide, a worldwide flood. That's my opinion. Evolutionists deny this. That's their opinion. I get that nothing I say will show or mean anything to you unless you have your own encounter.

[@DRayL_]

@@clearascrystal4960 I'm not "demanding" anything. But I'm not seeing anything to go on either. Just people making claims and expecting others to believe their claims. "However there is plenty of evidence that life cannot come from nothing, or non-living matter." If you break a lifeform's body/structure down to its base elements, you would not consider them "life". "I say aquatic fossils on dry desert land is an indication of a flood. Since they are worldwide, a worldwide flood. That's my opinion. Evolutionists deny this. That's their opinion." This isn't a topic of "evolution", but of geology. Tectonic plate movement constantly pushes land up. It's how mountains are formed. That land once was under the ocean....and why it can have small fossils of shells. "...unless you have your own encounter." I am _totally_ up for an encounter. Have been for decades.

[@clearascrystal4960]

@@DRayL_ :) Happy to hear that. Something I did after God answered me (saved my life actually) was read the gospels for myself. What I concluded was I wished I could have lived 2000 years ago to see for myself. I would have wanted to know this "Man" Who claimed He Was "The Truth". Within a year of seeking the One who answered me on "what is Truth", I met Jesus. Yes, God will show you Truth.

[@clearascrystal4960]

@@DRayL_ Re: This isn't a topic of "evolution", but of geology. Tectonic plate movement constantly pushes land up. It's how mountains are formed. That land once was under the ocean....and why it can have small fossils of shells.....it's geological how something happened. It's theory when it happened. That's when evolutionists take over.

[@shanechostetler9997]

I am intrigued at looking at the faces of the people who are listening to this great apologist.

[@mrdandrea]

Regarding alleged virgin births before Christ's, wasn't the same claim made in antiquity by Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod, the evil occultist? After Nimrod died, she hatched a great lie and claimed that Nimrod had reincarnated into her womb. So, the contemporary civilization knew of the oracle, namely, that a deliverer was to come - vis-à-vis, the prophecy of Messiah. Satan never has a legitimate original idea, and his next big mockery is to bring in a utopian kingdom. Of course, his pretense is a deception and a travesty. His idealistic scheme is outlined in Revelation (chapter 13). This is the very book under attack today. Through 'peace' he (Mr 666) shall destroy many. - Daniel 8:25 This book of Revelation is like steak and potatoes to the newborn in Christ. And, sadly, to the average Christian as well.

[@AnotherViewer]

Osiris, Hercules, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus, Romulus, and others compare to the Christian myth. According to Patrick Campbell of "The Mythical Jesus", all served as pre-Christian sun gods, yet all allegedly had gods for fathers, virgins for mothers; had their births announced by stars; had tyrants who tried to kill them in their infancy; met violent deaths; rose from the dead; and nearly all got worshiped by "wise men" and had allegedly fasted for forty days. Even Justin Martyr recognized the analogies between Christianity and Paganism. To the Pagans, he wrote: "When we say that the Word, who is first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter (Zeus)." [First Apology, ch. xxi]

[@tennvols1221]

Lucifer the copy cat ..His best is yet to come ..

[@AnotherViewer]

@UCwBzTfX-eaAn4x2zdcBoaJw every religion has had an impact on the world in some way. Yours only survived by the destruction of similar competing religions by Constantine.

[@mrdandrea]

@@AnotherViewer I agree that at times Christianity should've died out as they were being martyred. And yet, why would it persist. Under examination, there's only 2 types of religious concepts out here, when it's all boiled down. There's those that say, "Do". That's all of those which find redemption in themselves doing something. Then there's Christianity which says "Done". Actually, Christ said it on the cross when He cried out: "It is finished." Put your hope in the finished work of Christ on Calvary. Yes, we're willing to appear foolish for the sake of those that believe!

[@AnotherViewer]

@@mrdandrea The martyrdom of Christians is over stated. And even those are just followers who were accused of breaking the law at the time (not giving sacrifices to the state religion). They were even accused of cannibalism at times (the whole eating of the flesh of Christ and drinking of his blood ritual) But it was not until a it became the official religion with the backing of a tyrannous murderer that it flourished.

[@clementine7655]

“I want different accounts” “The Bible has different accounts” “No I don’t want the Bible I want different accounts” “…the…the Bible is literally a book of accounts” “No I don’t want some dudes fairy tale, I want real people who saw this and accounted for it” “SO YOU WANT THE LITERAL BIB-“ Edit: this was a joke…

[@j.whisper2379]

Clem! That is the problem! The authors of the bible totally disagree about much of what they write. Which version of Genesis do you believe?

[@valroniclehre193]

Religious books don't count as evidence for the religion.

[@frossa3211]

@@valroniclehre193 it’s evidence because it’s a written document of historical events. Jesus did walk this earth and we have recorded information about him

[@valroniclehre193]

@@frossa3211 What kind of history book doesn't date its major events? Its a fable.

[@frossa3211]

@@valroniclehre193 different calendars with ad and bc.

[@Max_Doubt]

So...we won't know anything when we're dead so we don't know anything now? Does not compute!

[@tjhookit]

Not agreeing or disagreeing....I think what he means is, if atheism is true, then we are literally nothing more than molecules and cells randomly moving around, all by chance happening. Dawkins and Hawking even believe that, as Dawkins concluded that we just "dance to our DNA". If non living material happened to create life by chance, and "matter created mind"....then we aren't really "thinking", it is just one chemical reaction after another. Anyway like I said....not arguing, just speculating on what he means imho.

[@albertjames804]

I think the reason why he said, "we don't know anything now" is because maybe athiesm can't justify why knowledge is important, why anything we know to be true is actually whats true, (as in how do we trust out own interpretation, how do we trust our own brains that made those interpretations and so on and on) I think there must be something thats from the very basic level that we are able to trust first which can in turn allow us to trust everything else that we should want to trust to then say, "okay this is true....that is true" I think cliffe is saying that in athiesm there isn't really that base level thing that allows us to then trust everything else that we should be trusting. Because the reason for us trusting stuff isn't really justified outside of our own subjective interpretation that we then try to convince others of the same. Thats what athiesm is, I think thats what he may be trying to say. Because as a Christian myself, I dont really know what the point of any information would be in the athiest worldview. Why this? And why that? Like ask why all the way to the very base reason for being, and from there we could say, "okay all this for that one reason" it doesn't need to be God, but what is the objective reason for whatever knowledge we possess? If there is no objective reason thats beyond humans, then there really is no actual point other than to just fill yourself with knowledge. MAYBE But for Christians, since God says we can trust him, and leads us to one piece of information, from that piece of information we can derive whatever other knowledge that we want, and why would we want to derive all that knowledge? What's the point of all this knowledge? To glorify God in his creation.

[@Malhaloc]

No. Look, if atheism is true, then we're never going to know that it's true. But if Christianity is true, everyone will know.

[@albertjames804]

@@Malhaloc yup everyone will know that it is true, but only some will accept it as the truth and live accordingly

[@johndelucchi719]

For most of us who may be considered atheist, it doesn't work out to a true or false proposition. God just isn't. The notion of religion just doesn't work into any part of are life fundamentally. We may have other social interest that supports are needs, activities, security or virtues. There is a good number of people though who seem to want to look at atheism as a religion itself but as a group these aren't a very stable or able minded bunch of people. It's with this element of society that Christians have the hardest time with. There is no preaching, ministering or guidelines written in stone. Knowing right from wrong is just learned like learning to walk or swim maybe. It's a second nature that affects us through senses, reflexes and natural responses. All do respect for all the good folks who do great work for others through the greatness of their God(s) with faith,hope and love.

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

[@sandina2cents779]

Thank you! If I had a dollar for every time a Catholic person told me that the Catholic Church put the Bible together, I’d be rich. The universal church and Catholic Church of today are not the same. God gave us the Bible.

[@godislove363]

Amen.

[@ivanbigcock426]

No, God doesn't exist, not existing makes it difficult to give things.

[@sandina2cents779]

@@ivanbigcock426 yes he does. The universe didn’t create itself. That’s just silly.

[@DRayL_]

@@sandina2cents779 You're using words that are loaded. Using "create" in your post here, is a Straw Man. No one is claiming that the universe was "created". To suggest that they are ....is just silly.

[@sandina2cents779]

@@DRayL_ the universe did not come into existence by its self. Happy? Even top atheist such as Stephen Hawking are admitting that time space and matter had a beginning. Therefore it must’ve come into existence,. Things don’t coming to existence by themselves for no reason. Therefore it must have been created.

[@gweilospur5877]

Atheism can’t be “ true” or “ false”. Atheism is the position that no gods have been demonstrated to exist so there is no reason to believe in any of them.

[@iffymarashi7700]

Is that objectively true or subjectively? Lol

[@gweilospur5877]

@@iffymarashi7700 Objectively, as it is true by definition.

[@iffymarashi7700]

So it’s objectively true that “atheism can’t be true or false.” So then what is it?

[@kryptokn]

@@iffymarashi7700 EXACTLY

[@boltrooktwo]

If it isn’t a truth claim then it can’t possibly be true and you are wasting a huge portion of your mind’s potential to abdicate your duties, obligations, and responsibility as a human being.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement as to the existence of gods until sufficient credible evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._* And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists. 5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

[@Malhaloc]

It seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you believe all truth must be scientifically proven. If you can't scientifically prove it, in other words, it's not true. Am I in the ballpark?

[@larzman651]

Ok , so you have made a choice not to believe in GOD , ok. Why do you think it's someone's commission to make you believe?

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@Malhaloc Not even near the ballpark.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@larzman651 What make you think I have made the "choice" to not believe in gods. Are you asserting you can choose what you believe?

[@larzman651]

@@theoskeptomai2535 you said you are an atheist that is supending any acknowledgment of GOD until credible evidence can be presented , that my friend is a choice not a feeling

[@suewhitmore5742]

Whew…..exhausting argument from this young man.

[@RealMrMizter]

9:25 “You don’t have any proof outside the Bible” There’s Tacitus in his work “Annals” and he wrote about Jesus.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

It's hard because you must be born again. John 3:3

[@johnjohns2278]

I would like to know, if tomorrow you found out that there was no God. How much would your life change? For me, I see evidence of a god. I see evidence for Jesus Christ being that God. I have a moral compass. I also have sympathy and empathy. At the same time, if I found out tomorrow that there was no God. I feel like I would live a lot different than I do now. I would be alot more selfish. I would believe that morally is subjective.

[@walterdaems57]

God does exist. Under the roof of your skull and there he should reside and be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)

[@johnjohns2278]

@@walterdaems57 I'm with you on that. On a personal level. If somehow, someway you found out that God did not exist. How/How much would your life change? Completely hypothetical.

[@AnotherViewer]

For me, I see NO evidence of a god. I see NO evidence for Jesus Christ being that god. I have a moral compass. I also have sympathy and empathy. At the same time, if I found out tomorrow that there was A God. I feel like I would NOT live a lot different than I do now. I would NOT be a lot more selfish, AS I AM NOT SELFISH NOW. I would STILL believe that morally is subjective. Used your own words, added my words in UPPERCASE.

[@jesusislord9707]

@@johnjohns2278 I find your question to be a bit confusing. God speaks, when one receives Holy Spirit, they begin to communicate with God and he speaks back. One cannot then find out God doesn't exist as much as one can never later find out that their mother never existed. Your hypothetical question is impossible, because one has a personal relationship with the creator himself.

[@walterdaems57]

@@jesusislord9707 if god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god’s are man made and not the other way around

[@djf750]

Why did an "ALL KNOWING/ALL LOVING" God create human creatures that are capable of horrific child abuse and then give them this bullshit "free will"??? Only a sadistic evil "god" would do that.

[@AMKmusic96]

You would rather be a mindless robot with no control over yourself? Thats called a slave. God loves us so much He gives us the ability to choose. Those who choose to do those things don’t have the holy spirit with them. They have chosen to defile God.

[@djf750]

@@AMKmusic96 YES ABSOLUTELY if I never had to read or hear about another horrific child abuse story and knowing my daughter and grandson would ALWAYS be safe, YES, I would give up this "free will" nonsense RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND Wouldn't you?

[@djf750]

@@AMKmusic96 here is some more "free will" for you, isn't this lovely? nypost.com/2021/08/06/dog-buried-neck-deep-in-hole-rescued-in-california/

[@AMKmusic96]

@@j_p_jr.487 the free will of the child is being abused hense defying God. There is punishment for those who harm children. Luke 17:2 It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones. God speaks against it but He will allow you to make choices even if that means making a bad one. A life isn’t a life if you are a slave not able to make your own choices. Taking away your will is the same as the criminal, God is all loving so He doesn’t take your will against your own wishes.

[@AMKmusic96]

@@djf750 The free will of the rescuers saved that dogs life..if they hadn’t it would be dead and the abuser successful in his crime. God gives us the choice Evil or Good. You can choose the route you wanna go doesn’t mean He is happy. He WANTS you to choose Him, but will accept if you don’t. As a loving Father does

[@kenm1256]

In august of 2021, school campuses were having unmasked mass gatherings?

[@maccusmc]

Do people actually think cliffe is a good debater?

[@pizzamuncher007]

How is he not?

[@mutambatangaza5969]

🤣 you are better?

[@unkindnoob6680]

He better than you and me tho

[@maccusmc]

@@unkindnoob6680 lol the f he is

[@hatersgotohell627]

I'm an atheist and I believe he's often wrong or using fallacies but he is a very good debater and speaker. He knows how to make ppl who are untrained in debating or rhetoric look stupid or corner them. However that doesn't mean he's right. He'd win against me in debating but against dillahunty he did not win

[@hatersgotohell627]

Cliffe atheism is not a truth claim. It's simply saying we don't believe. We do not say it's false or it's true. Many atheists have vastly different beliefs.

[@ramptonarsecandle]

Here's a game you can play with friends. Let the bible fall open and do what ever it says on the page. The last one to go to prison wins.

[@DRayL_]

XD

[@googletaqiyya184]

Now do the same with any history book. Yes, you are an idiot. You must believe that history books are just how to live life and have nothing to do will teaching lessons about what not to do. Please point out any teachings that prescribe evil actions to be done by Christians, or STFU! Moron often? Only7% of wars were religious wars yet the left say that religion is the source for the vast majority of warfare and evil actions by non Muslims. If you want to critique a religion, try focusing correctly on the teachings/writings and not the actions of imperfect people claiming to be of a religion and assuming the source is not from their imperfection cuz ignorant.

[@googletaqiyya184]

Now try that with just the New Testament and fail! Hint: New Covenant.

[@ramptonarsecandle]

@@googletaqiyya184 He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7) There you go you religious f wit

[@ramptonarsecandle]

@@googletaqiyya184 A priest’s daughter who loses her honour by committing fornication and thereby dishonours her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

[@johnc6617]

Dont harden your heart God shows all believers he is alive

[@roryboytube]

From my experience in life I've come to the conclusion that people who label themselves Atheists are clearly not teally athiests they are in fact angry or scared believers in a supernatural creator and thus they have to purposely go out of their way to argue against God, ridicule and demean religions (although notably Christianity because its easier to bash without fear of retribution (on earth). A real non believer wouldn't give themselves a label and wouldn't spend a second reading, debating or arguing with a Christian about whether God exists or not. Its like calling yourself a "non-Knitter" and letting everyone know you're not a knitter, because you don't do knitting and then spending half your life reading up about how pointless knitting is in order to attack knitters. Most people who really don't care about Knitting don't get involved with anything to do with knitting And don't get me started on Vegans. They are the atheists of meat eating.

[@juancarrillo1270]

I like how he gets angry and raises his voice when he can’t provide proof of Jesus. Lol

[@Bi0Dr01d]

Or, he's a little frustrated with the hardness of the person he's speaking who is only half listening to what he's saying, like the boy asking for documents outside of the Bible which is a faulty way of thinking because it presumes that the Bible is only one source when it is actually a collection of different sources and different authors and different documents compiled together. For the young gentleman to dismiss those documents simply because they're collected into what we call the Bible is arbitrary and would give Cliffe a justified reason in being somewhat perturbed, especially after the young gentleman repeats that same statement just after Cliffe explains this to him.

[@Guthix198]

Its frustrating when you have to debate someone so dull on something so important and they are not getting it

[@Guthix198]

.Lol

[@juancarrillo1270]

You know you still can’t prove that baby ghost exists. You can’t prove anything. It’s a nice story tho. but it’s not real. I respect your religion and other religions. I wonder how many gods are there😭

[@juancarrillo1270]

Cliffe won’t debate Sam Harris because college kids are easier to beat 😭

[@colinmatts]

Cliffe's whole arguments falls apart if you point out that atheism doesn't make any claims to truth

[@jahovashalom17]

@colinmatts Atheists say all the time that they have "never seen" or that there no reasonable evedence for God. Believe it or not, this is a claim.

[@colinmatts]

@@jahovashalom17 We are not "claiming" that we have never seen evidence. We are pointing it out as fact.

[@colinmatts]

@@jahovashalom17It isn't a "claim" that we haven't seen good evidence. It's a fact

[@jahovashalom17]

@colinmatts You say " It isn't a "claim" that we haven't seen good evidence. It's a fact" This statement is a claim. It it a claim that you are making that it is a "fact" that that there is no evidence for God. Begging the question will not serve as an argument here. Prove your case, or just like I said this is just a claim you are trying trying to associate with facts that you as someone with no "truth claims" cannot logically justify.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@colinmatts If you know there is no evidence for God (aside from, like, creation itself, information science, your own moral conscience), then it should be safe to assume that you would know what this evidence would look like if you did see it. So, 1. what are prepared to accept as evidence, and 2. what evidence can you present regarding your own naturalistic faith? _Why should anyone believe what you do?_

[@walterdaems57]

So theists have a real problem with their ego. Not only do they wish to live eternally but they also want some heavenly papa to be interested in their every move. Atheists are thankful for the short window of consciousness they can experience as the result of a marvelous cosmic accident.

[@djf750]

AND they think that they are made in the "image and likeness" of God instead of the truth which is we are made in the image and likeness of Cheetah the Chimp

[@Malhaloc]

Is it ego for you not to go play in traffic on the interstate or to play Russian Roulette on the weekends? Do you not do it just because you want to live a little bit longer out of selfishness or do you affirm that your life has value? To whom are you thankful?

[@walterdaems57]

@@Malhaloc I think there is a tiny difference between a little bit longer and eternity. I’m responsible for the little bit and I don’t care for some imaginary BFF in the sky to enforce the delusion of eternity.

[@Malhaloc]

@@walterdaems57 I agree with you on all those points, except the imaginary part. So then answer me this, what is the maximum number of years you are allowed to extend your life without it being based on ego? If you were about to die and someone offered you an additional X number of years, completely free of charge, what number would X have to be for it to be pure ego to accept, rather than just not wanting to die? If you're not interested in eternity, no one's forcing it on you. It's 100% a choice. But don't act like it's somehow a noble and humble thing to turn down the offer. If you want to die, you're welcome to it. I'm sorry you've made that decision, but I guess that just means survival instinct isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[@walterdaems57]

You can ask me all the hypothetical questions in the world about prolonging life but they are all besides the point since the discussion is about that what happens after life has ended. Fertilizer or eternal being of light and glory in paradise (if you’re lucky anyway, otherwise it’s a story of eternal torture; the pancake has two sides). You wish to believe in some deity to make eternal life happen for you. That’s what you wish to believe in. I acknowledge the force and might of that deity under the roof of your skull where he should reside and be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :) Im happy with what I got out of life and what I was able to put into life. If fertility is the next step and it obviously is without all the fairytales and self inflicted delusions, I’m completely at peace wit that idea without being Buddhistic about it. And if my neighbor wishes to believe in golden spoons, heavens and glory of god, that’s fine also as long as he doesn’t start to meddle in my life because his fantasy gets the better of him, whispering all kind of delusional thoughts that supposedly are endorsed by the celestial bully he chooses to worship.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed It can only change from one form into another. I am energy.

[@Malhaloc]

You're also matter. And matter and energy cannot be eternal. They will run down. So if matter and energy are not eternal, that means something or someone had to have created it. That something or someone cannot be made of matter or energy. That's God.

[@jefffortner2958]

I have a question. In Isaiah 45 7 it does say I form the light , and create the darkness: I make peace and create evil : I the lord do all these things. I’m lost here. He said god doesn’t create evil. Scripture is saying otherwise.

[@Omnorimli]

cliffe sucks at this..... he avoids the questions and gives 1/2 answers or no answers at all. watching him in any debate is a highway to atheism

[@INSPOyoutube]

Nice b8 m8

[@jessebryant9233]

For example? What do you have for us? Highway to atheism? How so?

[@strikevipermkII]

There's more than just popularity and acceptance. It had to be in keeping with the Jewish scriptures, and the traditions of the Church, given by the apostles, and with the writings of the previous bishops of the Church.

[@pdworld3421]

People are so lost. Do you know I 'm actually being taught in my place of work that - first, I should treat people as I'd like to be treated but when I get to know them, I should treat them they way they want to be treated? That's insane!

[@DRayL_]

How is it "insane" to treat people as they would want you to treat them? Why is the "golden rule" problematic? What if a person actually enjoys physical pain [yes, they are out there]. Should he treat others as he'd like to be treated?

[@pdworld3421]

@@DRayL_ That's a good point. So if someone enjoys pain- would it be proper for us to inflict pain on them? If I would like to be treated like a king- should you bow down to me? If I'm at work and want to treated like the CEO and have access to his private jet should I be given access. If I'd like to be a university professor should I be given a class?

[@pdworld3421]

@@DRayL_ That's why I say it's insane but the difference between me treating someone the way I wish to be treated and the way they wish to be treated is that I only have control over my own actions and I wouldn't be violating my own conscience while if I treat someone they way they want to be treated I may have to go against my conscience to do that.

[@DRayL_]

@@pdworld3421 I think people should react towards others in a mature manner. So either "do unto others as you would have them to do you" and "do unto others as they would like you do to do them" can both be problematic, depending on the situation. It's part of the problem, actually. Because people are all too often juvenile in the way they comport themselves, many of these types of maxims will be potentially problematic.

[@pdworld3421]

@@DRayL_ I accept that. I agree with you. It's possible that when the saying - do to others as they would do to you- people in general were much more mature

[@dentonhahn2907]

So I was also thinking about the idea of different religions that is said Christian stolen from we have to go back to genesis even then they were looking for a savior as God promised. So from the beginning people were stealing for God. The Egyptian knew about the promise of God. The whole earth is waiting for redemption.

[@Praise___YaH]

HERE is The Savior YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@franciscocepeda8416]

Regarding Paschal's wager, if a gambler had a sure idea of what to bet on or not in order to win or not lose, shouldn't that bet be made or not ? Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life ❤️❤️

[@DRayL_]

No one can know what is a "sure win". The gambler has cards in his hand, but they are from various decks......Playing Cards, Uno Cards, Cards found in Monopoly, Fantasy Cards, Tarot Cards, etc.......and even those using the Playing Cards, they receive a hand, but don't know if they're playing Go Fish, Poker, Blackjack,....Uno,....Sorry,....Pokemon,...etc.

[@googletaqiyya184]

It is 100% moral to reject cultures that are not yours! Go be with those of your culture, and do not try and impose your rejected values on those of another one! It is 100% moral to fight against other cultures in your nation that is run by Democracy! Enough of another culture and your elections will be won by foreign cultures, and it is 100% moral to reject having to adhere to foreign cultural leaders values that differ from the one established for hundreds of years! How about a billion Chinese move to Nigeria? Guess what the official language of Nigeria will become, etc etc...

[@dylanmcphee8454]

Why does it say Grace Community Church on th screen? That John MacArthur's church right?

[@agodfortheatheistnow]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed Since time does not exist we are always there. God is a singularity of I AM All I know is I AM. I do not know how where when why I exist So I had to create god to answer those unanswerable questions. Rene Descartes put it like this “I THINK THEREFORE I AM “ God answered Moses question “who shall I say sent me” with “TELL THEM I AM HAS SENT YOU “ Even God has no idea who or what he is other than our CREATOR…. Which we created to explain our existence. GOD DID IT is a euphemism for our IGNORANCE.

[@boltrooktwo]

God didn’t do it or assuming nature did it as an undirected process is just as ignorant.

[@agodfortheatheistnow]

@@boltrooktwo what is ignorant is not even trying to educate yourself in terms of atoms protons electrons neutrons.. leptons quarks mesons or the subatomic electromagnetic energy waves that our consciousness uses to communicate by expressing that consciousness as Sounds- decibels- vibrating energy Sights - angstroms- vibrating energy Deciphered in terms of firing synapses once again just vibrating energy. E=mc2 which shows there is no mass except as m=E/186,000mps2 .. just an expression perception of consciousness or vibrating energy which our firing synapses communicate with….

[@boltrooktwo]

@@agodfortheatheistnow I am educated sir, that is why your scientific terminology doesn’t intimidate me. Science merely looks more closely at the details already present in the universe apart from any man’s doing. Looking more closely at a cloud in the atmosphere doesn’t make a cloud or the systems that support it. The same philosophical question exists, at the bottom of all the processes of nature and physics is it more reasonable to believe there is an intelligent mind or is it more reasonable to believe that it was the chaos gods of chance, deep time, and meaninglessness.

[@agodfortheatheistnow]

@@boltrooktwo I already said that “I think therefore I am “… but everything else is just a perception of subatomic electromagnetic energy waves… And none of that can exist without the consciousness or thoughts that perceive it as such Therefore we are just that one realization of I AM… because we had no way of know who what why when where we originated or became self aware. We created the god that created us to explain our existence

[@agodfortheatheistnow]

@@boltrooktwo your problem is you just regurgitate what someone else says. Mindless reputations memorization but GIGO applies here garbage in garbage out. Try to THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE

[@ismail786786786]

When was this?

[@youngaceforlife]

Cliffe I really enjoy the work you do. You have shown me a different side to Jesus and God that I was unfamiliar with and that regular sermons couldn't explain to me. Keep these coming!

[@abrandpluckedoutofthefire8043]

I recommend living waters channel and Bible project channel

[@AL-oy6cg]

There lots of good channels. Lots of good pastors minsters and apologist who are incredibly knowledgeable and from whom we can all learn about. Listen to old videos of Billy Graham, David Lynn, Dorre love, William lane Craig, the soco films members like Bob the builder, Kay from soco, frank turek, Sam shamou (shamouian?), the what do you meme channel, the Christian broadcasting network, David wood, There are plenty more, but all these mentioned are believers or followers of Christ or influenced by his teachings.

[@Tory91802]

Atheism is not a belief it can’t be true it’s a rejection of a claim we are not convinced that a god exist so that makes us atheists point blank period….