Glass Onion - A Masterpiece Of Stupidity

[@woutervanbinsbergen3368]

But Drinker, you forget: R. Johson was always a master of the murder/mystery-genre: He murdered StarWars and he keeps being mysteriously hired for other movies.

[@roryasrorri701]

truer words have never been said before

[@lobal2]

🤣

[@anaryl]

Gneiss.

[@jaceyking5015]

To be fair though, I think Abrams already killed Star Wars with The Force Awakens, Johnson just put the nail in the coffin.

[@tigorelloensil3676]

Star Wars is still very much alive Andor being incredibly popular Bad Batch still going Mandalorian Season 3 on the way

[@f145hr3831jr]

This film is like an onion: the more layers you peel off, the more you want to cry.

[@minion3806]

Do you watch disparu by any chance?

[@DeezNuggz]

ummmmm aktualy u cry from onions because of dull knife

[@god563616]

😂😂😭

[@paulround4691]

Best come back all day!

[@siriestichotkan2198]

Most on point comment

[@martinwatson9615]

I’m just glad to see Daniel Craig looking like he’s actually enjoying the part he’s got.

[@likeandsharedeeznutsbruh2845]

And to be in more movies, only 5 bond films in damn near 20 years is insane

[@Valen-xu2wy]

He made better movies than this, and not Bond.

[@batuan666]

yeah, I liked him in this and also the other knives out movie.

[@AndiBraun93]

I guess getting paid $500m will do that to a man

[@taipan9604]

He's just happy to receive a paycheck for starring in this piece of crap movie!

[@andrewstevens9481]

I actually liked the movie because it is exactly what you described, a highlight of the ideocracy of Hollywood and the elites. Its almost satire how the whole murder mystery draws us into these characters and sets Miles up as an eccentric genius with his crew of influencers. And it turns out the whole mystery is solved when we get past that façade and realize they're all just idiots.

[@manbo1213]

It’s not almost satire, it IS satire. Like that’s the whole point

[@TonyTars]

It's certainly not a highlight of "Hollywood and the elites". Hollywood and elites are overwhelmingly woke left and the "bad" characters are caricatures of the types the woke left currently hates. The billionaire guy is meant to be an Elon Musk figure. Kate Hudson's character is portrayed as decidedly unwoke. Bautista's character is a "men's right activist" like Andrew Tate. Even the crime is an evil rich white male killing a noble black woman for trying to do the right thing. Everything this godawful director makes is thinly disguised woke propaganda.

[@mrlamejoke]

You literally described the plot: a genius in appearance only revealed to be nothing more than a bumbling-credit-stealing-moron.

[@deathpie24]

@@manbo1213 is it difficult to see? I don't understand these people

[@stuffylamb3420]

........ But the movie instantly shows you Miles is an idiot? I am an idiot, and I guessed he was the killer when "Helen" stepped off the boat. Shit was obvious.

[@samfilmkid]

“It’s a dangerous thing to confuse speaking without thought for speaking the truth.”

[@rewalos5077]

Yes! I absolutely loved that line in the movie. Despite having many flaws, I can't deny that tbe movie also had good instances like these.

[@LeonardoGPN]

@@rewalos5077 he is talking about the Critical Drinker take on the movie, he is not speaking the truth, is just speaking about the movie without thinking

[@felisasininus1784]

@@LeonardoGPN Yes, the Critical Drinker is so butthurt about The Last Jedi, the pathetic alcoholic manlet still hasn't gotten over hating Rian Johnson HALF A DECADE LATER. lmao It's clouded his judgment... heck, it's eroded his judgment into a green gooey slush. Ew.

[@OneEyeOnThePage]

@@LeonardoGPNit’s not so much not speaking the truth; it’s deliberately lying. Or maybe the irony is that he’s the stupid person he brings up in the first seconds of the video.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

that line is a poorly written desperate attempt to seem clever and profound that you can find in the notebook of a 3rd grader. another great analogy for the movie. i love all the re-res who came here expecting to see another shill review to validate their opinions only to get demolished. another drinker classic

[@PossumReviews]

The trick to writing a murder mystery is to slowly drip-feed information to the audience which recontextualizes earlier scenes so that the audience sees them in a different way that makes them realize their assumptions were wrong, not to retroactively change what happened and blatantly lie to the audience so you can smugly say "bet you didn't see that coming". It's like if someone walked up to you and said, "Hi, my name is Bob", to which you replied, "Hi Bob, nice to meet you", and then they said, "Ha! My name's not Bob! It's Carl! Don't you feel like a fool now?! I'm so clever!"

[@tafadzwagonera]

Conceeded however at this point I'll take bad writing over anything mired in the Feminine Imperative or Diversity/Representation agenda.

[@nikolozka1]

This movie is so garbage, might end up on your reviews soon...

[@onethdasanayake3689]

Hey Possum!

[@michellegomes2030]

Exactly! Thank you!

[@atrapanasatromhtos9426]

if you were so smart you would have called the police on sasquatch when he tried to rape you,but of course you like critisizing roundheads with mental disabilities

[@zachary3367]

In all fairness the chili sauce was given to him by miles in the movie earlier.

[@83croissant]

Yeah , it’s called setup and payoff! Weird that this reviewer thinks that’s a contrivance instead of just, the language of film

[@thomaskutty1440]

@@83croissant True, it was given but it was just so random that Miles gave Benoit the two thing which would have the most impact, the crystal and the hot sauce. It is almost like in games they highlght the ladder to climb. It is also weird that Benoit was carrying it around. Didnt he change clothes in the middle?

[@wpeniche]

@@83croissant yes but why would anyone carry a big bottle of hot sauce on their person all day? Like who does that? That’s just stupid movie logic because the answer is: no one. No one carries big bottles of hot sauce in their pockets all day.

[@DavidDiLillo]

How do you know I don't have some Tabasco sauce in my backpack RIGHT NOW? Checkmate, Rian haters.

[@tylerm6453]

@@wpeniche it wasn’t all day. It was maybe a few hours before Duke died and Helen gets shot. There was no opportunity for him to go to his room and put it away

[@arefeshghi]

The most stupid part was where she kept the napkin in front of Miles for him to burn!

[@christopherpackham732]

It wouldn't have mattered. A scrawl on a napkin with no independent way to show it was contemporaneous with the original idea was not going to be sufficient evidence get an appeal or another trial. The print of the name of the bar at the bottom of it was worthless evidentially.

[@jusbus777]

Even if it could vindicate her, you just happen to find a well-preserved napkin from 30 years ago after the most important trial of your life.

[@arefeshghi]

@@christopherpackham732 This just makes the plot more stupid as the whole story line was shaped around that napkin!

[@bookslover2610]

The scene where he approaches her with a lighter, and she just stays still and allows him to burn the napkin made me want to throw the TV out the window

[@ma.2089]

I gotta wonder if her character was still drunk in that scene. But I do think it’s funny that Miles couldn’t even have that idea, still had to take it from someone else

[@banj1595]

People seem to be mad about the whole twin thing, because it doesn’t allow you to figure out who the killer is before that reveal. Some people I’ve seen have said that the viewer should be rewarded by keeping a close eye out for clues, while the twins twist couldn’t be sussed out. But the thing is, from the very scene we see a murder happen, we can see it’s miles. He literally makes the killer drink hands it to Duke, lies about it where it shows a doctored scene of what he’s describing, then has multiple scenes where you can see Dukes phone in his pocket. We know it isn’t his because it’s been established that he uses fax.

[@HCSR2]

Don't forget the part where he takes Duke's gun and hides it under his shirt and then puts it on the table before making the drink. You can solve the murder literally in the same scene it happens if you pay attention.

[@TRGOTSVODS]

Also, while it's unlikely that you'll pick up on the exact details of what's happening, the movie deliberately shows you "Andy"'s imperfect nails and hair in her dock introduction, which many people did take as an indication that something was off. Why would a certified "rich bitch" have these things be anything less than perfect?

[@John-ok8ts]

​​@@TRGOTSVODSI did wonder why she made that comment about rich people at the start in fairness but Christ Sherlock Holmes couldn't figure out the twins twist.

[@kingcreedo6010]

Sorry. It's a force of habit to call out bad writing. We will try to control ourselves

[@HCSR2]

@@kingcreedo6010 We forgive you, it's ok if you make a mistake every now and then. :)

[@add-iv]

Showing most of the clues in a flashback instead of experiencing them during the story certainly was one of the plots of all time

[@Dragonage2ftw]

The thing that didn’t happen?

[@maxnetirtimon4121]

well, it worked greatly

[@mirkecWii]

Idk man, it works for me in these 2 movies

[@gabehere]

It's not a flashback in the traditional sense, it's a second act that mirrors the first, shows all the SAME clues but with further context, and I think it was brilliantly executed.

[@One21Jiggawatts]

@@mirkecWii if you wanna see good usage of a flashback you should watch Pootie Tang.

[@romainf3780]

- Glass Onion's Andi burns down the Mona Lisa out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory. - Rian Johnson burns down Star Wars out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

And the final shot of the movie with her in a “Mona Lisa” pose was the most cringe thing I’ve seen all year.

[@XanderVJ]

Revenge for the death of a sister ain't pettiness.

[@victora.1329]

@@XanderVJ dead sister does not justify destroying the most famous painting in the world.

[@tigerburn81]

@@BrainWasherAttendent It's like the Mona Lisa being replaced is supposed to . . . mean something. I wonder what.

[@mikespearwood3914]

@@tigerburn81 "Diversity"!

[@ValensBellator]

I’ve liked both movies so far. I thought the idea of everything being remarkably stupid and a letdown, akin to meeting one of these popularly worshipped “geniuses”, was actually very funny. Craig’s character’s disgust at discovering how uninventive the crime actually turned out to be was hilarious 😂

[@lonlywolf223]

True, the ending was hilarious. I liked the movie with his big plot holes and some stupid instances. It is a fun movie too watch but by far no masterpeace

[@bobcartwright7476]

One thing I did appreciate about Glass Onion is that it wasn't just a string of references to Knives Out, as a lot of sequels to sleeper hits seem to be.

[@DM_TheCriticalDrinker202_GRAM]

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[@mnomadvfx]

Knives Out did well and it was shot well, but beyond that it did nothing for me. It felt like an Agatha Christie mystery written by someone who didn't understand the mystery part. I literally guessed the villain the moment I first heard them mentioned and the same was true in Glass Onion. I kept expecting some great reveal about Marta's crazy Go skills meaning she had been playing 4D chess the whole time with everyone including Blanc, like she was a super villain genius all along - instead the Go reference was completely pointless and signified nothing important. Agatha Christie mysteries can leave you feeling hollow from the horror of it all at the end. All Knives Out and Glass Onion made me feel was hollow from how obvious and shallow it all was. Rian is just playing the MCU style race to the bottom game of script writing quality.

[@blackmars2811]

@@mnomadvfxthe whole point of Marta’s go skills was to expose the fact that Ransom knew that she would inherit everything, as Harlan talked about her in his conversation with Ransom about the will.

[@Fleato]

@@mnomadvfx i will say her go skills were part of that, when ransom says " huh, i always thought i was the only one who could beat him at go" was ransom saying he thought he was the only one who could out smart Harlan who was a crime novelist. so in a way it is what you were expecting.

[@yym.2664]

@@mnomadvfx Marta's Go skills were very significant in both symbolism and foreshadowing in the movie. Unlike international chess which I assume would be more familiar to you, the win condition of Go depends on the final score count. However, these score counts consist of both the present pieces as well as the vacant points created by the formation. In other words, taking your opponent's pieces will not simply net you a win. In the movie, it is explained that Marta's Go strategy focused more on creating a beautiful pattern rather than winning. This is actually an entirely valid strategy (albeit drastically simplified). Setting up a formation, or a so-called beautiful pattern, may be more effective in winning a game of Go rather than focusing on taking your opopnent's pieces. Similarly, it is a very obvious metaphor for Marta succeeding by simply being a person of good character (as opposed to Ransom and Marlan's tendency to "outsmart" using their wits). Now, in my opinion, I do find the notion that a novice building a beautiful pattern could defeat an experienced player rather unrealistic. (It would be similiarly ridiculous to suggest that chess skills are somhow direct indicators of intelligence rather than dedication and accumulated knowledge with a tinge of talent. i.e. person good at chess must be smart and vice versa. But hey, that's Hollywood for ya) But for the themes the movie wishes to convey, the game of Go is beyond sufficient. I don't find Knives Out to be a particularly good mystery film. And it's not trying to be that. In my opinion, the series uses the mystery genre and format more so as a vehicle to deliver its social critique (which leaves a lot more to be desired, but then again what more could you expect from a two hour film whose purpose is to entertain than to educate) Regardless of personal opinion (which is more of a slightly intrigued meh), I do think that the scripts have a surprising amount of thought and polish. I think that the level of quality is recognizable even if the audience do not resonate with the writers' ideology (and this I do agree to be obvious and shallow) Your subjective viewing experience is what it is and is entirely valid. However, your complaint regarding the Go metaphor is somewhat... shallow.

[@DonjiKong]

As a man I identified with the bride in Kill Bill. Well written female leads can be extremely relatable. No excuses!

[@Sticklemako]

So many great female leads to identify with.. LA femme Nikita, Ripley, etc etc

[@danstheman33]

As a teenager (and male) I was a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the Joss Whedon TV series)- and not just because she was hot, I also empathized with and easily saw things from her point of view. Along with numerous other female heroins and leads from various TV shows and movies. Obviously I didn't have the perspective of a teenage girl, but I don't need to share every single aspect of a character in order to find them relatable. The idea that men or boys "can't relate to a female lead" is absurd and insulting and sexist.

[@TheNoonish]

I've even seen some well-written Rom-coms with good female leads I could identify with. If you write a good character who's not an author self-insert or a complete blank slate, your audience will find commonalities with them, regardless of genders. But this is the "equity" mindset-people should be forced to like your shitty movie starring a self-centered bitch just to make things even!

[@vijayanand9710]

I tonya, fury road, Witch, last night in soho and definitely not any movie involved with hunger games actor

[@leroydelrey9438]

@@Sticklemako Were they just talking about action leads in that clip or just women leads in general? Because if it’s the first one, I mean most of those women are made masculine and their identities as women are diminished to make male audiences identify with them more. Take kill bill. The bride only had her child to anchor her to womanhood. Most of these female characters that men identify with are literally written by men.

[@tds7078]

The most absurd part of this movie is that all of these people wouldn’t have know that Andy has a twin sister.

[@corvoattano4777]

under rated comment. They all knew her for years. She never said hey do you guys know i have an identical twin

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

@@corvoattano4777 Kate Hudson does say "Oh, yeah, she mentioned she had a sister" but it's still pretty stupid.

[@madisoncarlton3093]

That just buys into them being self centered and selfish to even remember she has a twin sister. They don’t care to remember. They don’t care ab anyone but themselves??

[@Tom-gy3zg]

But for most they didn't think she was dead so why would they expect her to be the twin?

[@Paulafan5]

You'd think that the tech billionaire who tried to discredit her in court would have found that out. A basic investigation into her would find that out.

[@g4mm47]

2:36 U can always argue that people would think a certain way but when the PLOT TELLS YOU that the guy is stupid u cant expect him to make the best decision. Thats character assassination.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

That was more or less what Rian Johnson was going for. There were obvious hints: I saw the Isocasahedron at the heart of the glass onion in first 20 minutes of the film. I paused the movie and stared at it. Why do the lines leave an empty hexagon in the center? Divining the mystery of the glass Onion, I was overcome with emotion. It gave the appearance of deep meaning, but it was painfully stupid. So stupid that I might have cried. Failing to understand that it was a metaphor for the entire film, I watched it to the end. I was so close and yet so far at the same time.

[@ekamsingh1640]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 "Jesse, What the fuck are you talking about?"

[@BrokenTooth]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 Sir, this is Wendys

[@mikelewis6]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 worth typing all that?

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

@@mikelewis6 Probably more worth it than your comment.

[@briant7265]

If you want a good twist, have Andy's twin sister actually be Andy, pretending to be Andy's sister pretending to be Andy, because he actually screwed up and killed the twin sister.

[@joshred1571]

That would be a twist

[@bordergore6574]

That would be fucking stupid

[@Ifinishedyoutube]

The whole point is that he was stupid and stole everyone else as good ideas so that would be within the main characters ethos and pathos.

[@ManicDepressedSillyBilly]

That would be a twist. A good twist? No, but a twist nonetheless

[@kungfutzu3779]

to whit: the twin sister twist

[@mac1991seth]

A while back I tried to write a murder mystery based on the idea I had. I've been going back and forth between whodunit and howdhecatchem (I'm an average Columbo fan, what can I say?) but about halfway through I realized how complicated the task really is. You have to lead the reader into all sorts of red herrings that all make sense in the moment, but have a proper plot twist ready near the end. And you still have to leave breadcrumbs leading up to the reveal, to make sure the reader doesn't feel like his expectations were [subverted] for the sake of being [subverted]. I wasn't happy with the result and I don't think I ever will be I trashed the project. But when I see Rian Johnson (how's that Star Wars Trilogy going, Rian?) at work, I'm thinking maybe I could become the next motherhumping Arthur Conan Doyle.

[@DanVzare]

I once watched an anime called In/Spectre, where the entire plot was about solving mysteries incorrectly. Basically, they got the clues and rearranged them to fit a completely different narrative, that made just as much sense as the actual solution. It was a very interesting take on the mystery formula that made me realize that the solution to a mystery is whatever the heck you want it to be, provided you can explain it. It's just a shame that the twelve episodes the season had should've been condensed into four or five. They repeated themselves so much!

[@SeraphsWitness]

Columbo still holds up really really well.

[@ΑναστάσιοςΠαπαζαχαρίου]

I think Poirot does this very well. Probably my favorite Bri'ish production

[@rationalityfirst]

@@DanVzare Season 2 coming up!

[@DanVzare]

@@rationalityfirst Awesome! I didn't know, thanks for telling me.

[@cryptnotic]

The smartest character in the whole movie is the brother who just hangs out, smokes weed, drinks beer, and watches everything burn.

[@KonaLife]

Smart like Kato? 🙄

A true stoic 😂

[@tomgu2285]

What a chad.

[@Silverfirefly1]

He's a little lonely, making him the only human in the film that needs a little more attention. He sought it indirectly twice and directly once. He'll be fine.

[@regularexclusive]

Derol is a legend 😂

[@MrMcBaine1]

The red hot sauce was in his pocket from before, when he mistook it as a drink and he was told to take a few bottles. The scene were we see Blanc behind Duke is a couple seconds later than the scene with Blanc and Helen behind Duke. Helen sneaks away and steps on a twig, Duke looks around, Blanc hides. The scene with only Blanc starts from Dukes perspective with the twig breaking, and then Blanc behind him (Helen already sneaked away at this point). What was an actual case of falsety, was the glass incident. We first see Miles giving the glass to duke, then later, when he lies about it, it is framed as a flashback, but it isn't, it is his lie and the "flashback" shows Duke grabbing the wrong glass instead of Miles handing it to him.

[@harish123az]

Dont bother, the channel is intentionally lying and the low IQ gullible fans of this lying channel won't bother to even check what is real before circlejerking about the video Also, the flashback thing., Johnson wants to put the viewers in the shoes of the characters, its a proven fact that eye witness testimony (and memories) can change based on suggestions by others

[@mayanksharma3651]

That sauce bittle is a very nice coincidence don't you think

[@sceptile6375]

@@mayanksharma3651 yeah but it was established that Miles just has a bunch of random products that celebrities gave him. Like the hard Kombucha or Serena Williams recordings. I it might be coincidental but I don’t think it’s implausible and that’s the big thing.

[@ANTIStraussian]

​@@mayanksharma3651a coincidence to set up the hero are okay.

[@JC-ok4yx]

The glass thing is exactly the part that got me interested. I saw what happened the first time, but then the "flashback" had me questioning what I actually saw. I even said to my wife, "What? That's not what happened!"

[@lordcrispen]

Spoilers: My favorite moment of the film was the 2 minute window when.... Blanc explained to Miles about why he ruined the game-mystery. I had not really been grabbed by the movie to that point, and I was having an internal struggle with whether or not I was enjoying it. I know Knives Out is full of conveniences, but it was fun and I liked it a fair bit. This one, though, actively had me questioning if I wanted to just turn it off. Anyway, this scene gave me hope that the movie would get good from here. It basically wiped the slate clean and in that moment, I could excuse how cliché and uninteresting the movie had been to that point if it was done in service of setting up a "This isn't at all what you think it is" and I genuinely got excited to see where it went. Then it just fumbled the whole rest of the way. Then the last straw was Blanc basically turning to the camera/audience and saying "This is dumb!" followed by the worst section of the movie. I'm just disappointed and I'm very much not even interested in the next one now outside of watching Daniel Craig have fun with his character.

[@luxintenebris1776]

Completely agree. I had the same reaction to the, "I ruined your game on purpose" scene. I was like: Alright! Now we're getting somewhere! .... only to be let down by basically everything that followed

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Yes

[@captainnomekop5056]

Yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience too, I started getting really invested after you know, the actual murder happens, and then we get the flashback and I’m still invested going into it, then it keeps going, and keeps going, and I legit didn’t expect the flashback to lead all the way back, and after all that I kinda lost investment, and the finale kinda just confused me, I thought destroying all the glass was going somewhere but nah, it’s just to destroy more things. Also the fact that they put so much focus on the door for the Mona Lisa for no reason kinda disappointed me.

[@persnikitty3570]

@@captainnomekop5056 Everything in that house was Klear, except for the Mona Lisa's protection. Miles even spoke of it earlier, that Klear wasn't just powering everything on the island, everything on the island was Klear. I'm still surprised that Miles simply didn't off everyone at the end, as he had nothing left to lose and had already shown a penchant for murder.

[@3fortheroad]

Yes! This comment says exactly what I was thinking but couldn't articulate. The first KO movie was funny and enjoyable despite the very unrealistic 3d-chesslike logic Blanc unravels at the end. The absurdity of the 'rich-asshole' characters was entertaining. But this movie, the rich-assholes took over the movie like toddlers at a birthday party. It left me hoping for more dialogue and deduction/reasoning from Blanc of which there was very little.

[@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong]

"Why did Blanc have a convenient bottle of hot sauce to use as fake blood?" Somebody doesn't have an eye for detail!

[@felisasininus1784]

He was so blinded by his hatred towards Rian Johnson (for wokeness), he left his brain outside the door when he entered the recording room. Which led to him cluelessly flaunting his mental ret*rdation and opening the review by insulting literally everyone who's got a bigger brain and sounder moral compass than himself.

[@felisasininus1784]

@@kaned3570 I think Captain Wong is saying that Mr Hypocritical Sphincter doesn't have an eye for detail.

[@nevisstkitts8264]

Hot sauce is part of the EDC.

[@stevbe1723]

I mean damn, Miles just outright says "Take a few bottles" and we can see Benoit Blanc pocket it, plain as day

[@generights]

Why the fuck would he just carry around a bottle of hot sauce at all fucking times.

[@Philusteen]

This movie was legit entertaining, and absolutely a tribute to stupidity and vanity. Recommended.

[@bruhmomentum8302]

Absolutely. I honestly had a good laugh and the twist was pretty good

[@concatinate]

Most people love seeing a send up of the vain and pompous elite. This movie is just poor...The inflammatory racial politics--isn't that (laughably) called "stochastic terrorism" by hysterics now?--which fairly 100% informed the movie's casting, is icing on the mudcake.

[@icycrusader1947]

So pirate it?

[@dark_winter8238]

@Icy Crusader it is on Netflix. If you don't have that yes.

[@CrimsonSp33d]

Same. Just a fun ride, turn ur brain off. I'm no fan of Rian Johnson but, these movies are alright

[@Cardinal_Hordriss]

Before even getting to the film he cuts a clip of Jennifer Lawrence to make her look like an idiot whereas in the full clip she clearly states that she is recounting what someone else told her. So straight off we know that this is going to be a bad faith review. In fact later he will play a clip from the film on mute to create a problem that doesn't exist lol. Ignoring Drinker's complete lack of understanding with regards how mystery plots work, which covers half of his complaints, the rest are actually resolved in the film itself. It comes across as though the review was made while watching the film for the first time, complaining about unresolved elements and coincidences that actually do get thoroughly explained later or were otherwise not coincidence in the first place but... normal plot points. I did enjoy the massive irony of Drinker pointing out the plot would fall apart if the plot didn't happen or the total lack of awareness in pointing out that the film only has a fake veneer of intelligence... perhaps this review is supposed to be metatextual in that respect? Is that why this review is "superficial trash"?

[@Rounderyathecruel]

She said she was the first female movie star… she’s got an ego.

[@Cardinal_Hordriss]

@Rounderyathecruel no she didn't. He cut the interview to make it look like she was saying something she wasn't.

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@Cardinal_Hordriss actually she has said that. Also second. A huge part of his channel is the stupidity of Hollywood. Not just some random bitch

[@jasonkanyike3245]

They explained that Andi let Miles in because she was smarter/he was dumb so she thought she could handle him. Underestimated him

[@slade52]

So smart she got herself killed. Then she wasn't very smart was she?

[@jasonkanyike3245]

@@slade52 Doesn't change that she was written as the founder and smartest of the group does it? And i guess the point was that smart people can make mistakes? And when youre murdered that isnt getting yourself killed is it? its being murdered...Think a little

[@moonriver7439]

@@jasonkanyike3245 Andi was dumb, the whole movie was dumb.

[@jasonkanyike3245]

@@moonriver7439 maybe YOU thought the character was dumb, fine. But can't deny that according to the movie she was the "smart" one. Regardless to what anybody thinks. It's like you're saying "rick Sanchez is dumb!" Despite the story portraying him as a genius. Makes no sense

[@moonriver7439]

@@jasonkanyike3245 a smart person would make an unrealistically dumb person the cofounder of their company? Okay. You’re one of those people that takes a movie at face value without questioning it. Which is a big reason why movies are so bad now. Also, Rick and Morty sucks.

[@WonkoTheSane71]

6:36 ‘Wouldn’t Helen’s presence here with the world’s most famous detective be a very obvious red flag he was already compromised?’ EXACTLY. No one would be so dumb they’d look past that one

[@iansmart4158]

WHY WOULD AHYONE SUSPECT ITS HELEN?! Helen hadn’t even met them before. They prolly didn’t know she was a twin let alone as willing to go thru all that trouble to investigate them!

[@WonkoTheSane71]

@@iansmart4158 Helen is short hand the video uses for Helen or Andi. Whoever Miles thinks she is, the unexpected arrivals of both her and Blanc should be a giant red flag, especially to a man who’d attempted murder just days before. He should be able to suss the possibility they’re working together

[@PredatorH2O]

That was the whole point. For the killer to be fucused on Blanc instead of Hellen.

[@brodude7194]

People with massive brain damage keep thinking this is a real and sane situation yes. Normal people like us keep wondering why Rian Johnson keeps getting jobs in the film industry.

[@TheMitmiter]

@@PredatorH2O That "point" seems more like a complete oversight rather than an actual reason.

[@kimberlyoldschool]

“No identical twins without sufficient preparation” is literally one of the Rules of FairPlay Whodunnits that were written almost 100 years ago, but sure. In an age of social media and people blabbing their secrets all over the web, we can believe no one knew this famous, wealthy woman had an identical twin.

[@2Siders]

They all knew. The blonde says so at the end.

[@Nuclearburrit0]

@@2Siders we didn't

[@phenom568]

The Prestige handled this about as cleverly as you can. Over and over it tells you it's a double but you don't believe it because HJ doesn't believe it and you want it to be more complex. But all the proof is cleverly placed in front of you. Halfway through GO the movie is like "Oh by the way there are twins".

[@iansmart4158]

I see Elon musk and watch videos discussing his successes and. Introversion. Because if this comment I searched whether he had siblings and found out he had 2 ( a sister and brother). Never knew that before just now Completely reasonable to not know some famous person has siblings. Especially when they aren’t really in each other’s lives at all which is the case in GO.

[@OK-yy6qz]

@@phenom568 to be fair the prestige didn't have an identical twin. It was a clone. But yeah it also had a ton of setup and clues throughout the movie

[@autumnbombshell]

I don't think this guy understood the movie... half the "unexplained" stuff was spelled out very clearly in the scenes before

[@joshblack9182]

IKR, for example the scene where TCD claims that Helen has been added in when she should've been visible before - it's perfectly clear what happens if you watch the scene carefully and it makes total sense.

[@culturalliberator9425]

You mean like in the scene where the flashback changes what happens, lol. Great writing. 😂

[@autumnbombshell]

@@culturalliberator9425 nothing "changes" you are just shown more of the scene, the camera zooms out and we see the flashback roll for an extra few seconds. The events are still identical, you can even line up both scenes and watch the flashbacks at the same time and they line up perfectly, even the sound is the same. I genuinely think you might be too stupid to observe objective reality.

[@Icetea-2000]

The movie literally lies about scenes and what happened earlier. This is a whodunnit without an iota of being able to figure anything out, apart from of course the eccentric billionaire being the killer as if any other outcome could be possible

[@Icetea-2000]

⁠@@joshblack9182But then why not use a different angle? They literally use THE EXACT SAME SHOT with Helen edited in. When we KNOW that’s not what happened

[@CaleU011]

I just couldn't after the scene where Helen and Blanc decide that if someone killed Andi then they must have taken the envelope back to Miles as proof or a trophy to prove their loyalty to him. That reasoning doesn't hold up at all when it turns out Miles was the killer. Blanc also states that the killer would have stashed the envelope in their room because it was too large to keep on one's person. He, the world's greatest detective, never even considers that they could have destroyed the evidence as you said, or they they could have taken the napkin (which is very easy to conceal in a pocket) out of the envelope. If the killer wasn't Miles then there is little chance it would even be in their room because everyone had an adequate chance to pass the envelope off to Miles before Andi searched the rooms. Finally, Blanc and Helen hear the conversation between Miles and the gold bikini girl 10-15 meters away through solid glass. Movie was just dumb

[@irritatingtruth9121]

Oh hush! You’re currently excited for the next product. “Hate watching”, doesn’t exist. It is ppl who cannot help but spend the money on more junk.

[@benjaminc924]

Its the closest thing to a well written film we'll get from Hollywood these days, a facade of complex and quality writing. And for a film all about the facade of complexity hiding the obvious truth of idiocy, its quite ironic.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Yup movie is just dumb. I tapped out the moment Dave Butista died and Miles said he grabbed the wrong drink then it shows the fake flashback. I legit said that didn’t happen, he handed him the drink, rewound to the scene and saw yup he handed Dave the poisoned drink. Immediately ruined the entire movie

[@randysavage1]

Yeah I kind of like the goofy tone of the movie, until it got in the way of the mystery.They just kept ridiculous over and over. It could've been like the board game clue but modern. But they fkd it up.

[@4203105]

Blanc's reasoning why Miles couldn't be the killer was also extremely stupid. None of what he said made sense. Why wouldn't miles kill her shortly after a court case he won? He would seemingly have no motive and Andi had just lost half of a billion dollar company. What better time to make it look like she killed herself?

[@hilanddoug]

The secret to its success is editing and pacing. You don't get time to think, nor shown enough, and then the next thing to move the plot along is filing your eyes and ears.

[@derickrisner2601]

I think you nailed. You can caught in the riptide before you have time to think. But the ending got so dumb that I don't think any editing could hide it unless you were unwilling.

[@soulSSeekingbullet]

@@MrGabox345 That makes zero sense.

[@blondluck4621]

For God's sake don't you recognize a parody when you see one?🤣

[@shinkaibara1025]

I mean, you are right when you say that editing and pacing are the secret, but this movie does not really move at a breakneck pace and is in fact super fair when it comes to editing. You can literally spot the murderer doing things. Even in small scenes like the gunshot, there are no cuts for almost 20 seconds when the killer aims just so a dialogue you can't hear at that moment can happen, and is shown later. Yet people call it lazy or stupid. "Not getting time to think because the movie moves along" is practically the definition of Fridge Logic.

[@grimnartusk265]

just throw so much at you at such a pace that you don't even have time to realize how shitty and poorly written it all is lmao just a blitzkrieg of bullshit lmao

[@starcaptainyork]

The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box, a pretty object full of simple and meaningless puzzles meant to make the creator look smart, but actually it just represents the creators desperate desire to appear smart, and he payed someone else to make it for him anyway. Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. The worst thing about both movies is how he mercilessly criticizes upper class culture while literally being a man who exclusively exists in upper class culture. It's like that meme of Steve Buscemi as a highschooler, except it's Rian Johnson going "How do you do fellow poor people? I hate the rich too, see how hip I am by criticizing them?" and all his criticisms are as vapid and one dimensional as possible because he has zero self awareness, and any real 3 dimensional criticism would inevitably lead him to realizing how he's no different than his most vapid characters.

[@SCP--oz6oz]

Absolutely fantastic comment. I didn’t even realize the similarity between the two until now.

[@bsvolleyball1]

Same as "Tax the Rich" ... dress

[@herewegoagain...]

"The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box... Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. " ... This is called psychological projection, an extremely common occurrence with highly flawed individuals. Subconsciously, deep down inside, Johnson knows he's a hack. He knows he is Miles. He is attempting to project those flaws onto someone else (a character, in this case) as a self defense mechanism to avoid having to acknowledge those traits within himself.

[@sup9542]

I wouldn't be surprised if Rian Johnson was sitting around listening to Beatles songs, listened to "Glass Onion" and thought "holy shit, that's the next Knives Out, layer a lot of clues together that end up not meaning anything because the killer is really just dumb, he just seems smart, like Elon Musk!"

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

The entire movie itself is just one big glass onion, seemingly complex at first glance but increasingly mundane and obvious the longer and closer you look. I have to admit IF RJ had actually done this on purpose it would be an impressive subversion, unfortunately his recent works show he lacks the intelligence to have done this on purpose just making the entire thing an epic unintentional self-troll. He just lacks the self-awareness to even notice it happening right in front of him...

[@TheTaysoren]

I actually enjoyed the first Knives Out, this one I think had a lot of wasted potential. Have you ever spoken to someone who you know is driving the conversation a particular direction in disregard to the natural flow of conversation? That's what the plot felt like.

[@admirable-ad]

well said

[@Fantastic_Mr_Fox]

I agree. Frankly I think the drinker's review here is just not on point. First of all, the movie is not just a murder mystery but a comedy, and secondly, Knives Out is much, much better than this, and I'm disappointed he lumped them both together

[@dontshootmex5588]

For all it's faults, at least it gave us the "It's dumb!" line. I'm sure it'll make the occasional appearance in Drinker's future videos.

[@gildor8866]

Also: "I expected complexity. I expected Intelligence...".

[@Mogul20478]

It actually doesn't have many faults at all. Drinker is a liar, has no attention to detail, and fooled you.

[@dontshootmex5588]

@@Mogul20478 Looks like Drinker struck a nerve there, huh?

[@Mogul20478]

@@dontshootmex5588 Shitty "journalists" that have to lie to make a point and ignore critical details should "strike a nerve". It's incompetent and lazy. If that's your thing, then more power to you.

[@therabbit555]

@@dontshootmex5588 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eF6YpoaPZsSVbpI It’s more like the drinker struck himself

[@izzieb]

It lives up to its name - you don't need to peel away the layers because you can already see what is underneath it all.

[@fishjones4618]

Or smell what’s underneath.

[@phoenixdzk]

That whole scene where Ed Norton is discussing fracture theory, about how people hate you for trying something different, I was thinking 'This is Rian justifying what he did to the Last Jedi' Ironically Blanc himself said it was stupid in the end, which leads me to realise that the self-awareness is seriously lacking in this one

[@octogigas]

The whole movie is set up to mock Ed Norton's ideas and portray him as an idiot. But at the end, when Blanc "disrupts" the legal system he's a part of by letting Janelle Monae destroy Norton's house, he essentially adapts Norton's policies. That's not "irony" or "poetic justice," that's just the movie going back on its entire message for a moment of smug self-satisfaction. What an idiot.

[@yashmohan3726]

you do realize norton’s character is the bad guy right? his notion of just pissing everyone else off is meant to be hatable. he’s not justifying anything.

[@chadmwilliams89]

Nah. It's supposed to be mocking Elon Musk. Johnson just lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's guilty of the same sort of "victim of success" over confidence and excuse making.

[@eomoran]

This isn’t actually lacking in self awareness. This could just as much be a tacit admission that he was a smart arse when it came to the last Jedi. The reason knives out was successful was because he subverted expectations without betraying the audience. With regards to the ending, you don’t break something for the sake of breaking something, you reveal something to be broken. By revealing Klear to be dangerous, she was able to avenge her sister, and in turn get justice for her sister. You’re allowed think yourself too smart to enjoy these movies but you’re missing out on some fun by not letting yourself get swept up along with it.

[@gildor8866]

@@chadmwilliams89 I don't think it is specifically mocking Musk. The movie was mostly shot when Musk was still the liberals darling. Nortons character also looks like a Steve Jobs-Imitation in the scene where the black lady refuses to go anlong with his hydro plans. The character strikes me as someone who wants to be Jobs or Musk, but simply isn't. The movie depicts him as someone who gets rich implementing other peoples ideas. Thats called managing and done right its nothing to be laughed about - but its not a what he wants to be seen.

[@MrPuzzles]

"This review is so dumb, it's brilliant!" NO. It's just dumb.

[@GigaChadh976]

The movie sucks ass, cry cope and seethe

[@Josh-us4iy]

Genuinely burst out laughing at the start of that atrocious flashback with the “my twin sister just died”

[@Dragonage2ftw]

And?

[@kingsleywelch3360]

@Dragonage2ftw: You’re a dork.

[@sumguy789654]

@complete video here this is a video about making pizza

[@Сайтамен]

One of the rules for all detectives: "Don't make twins your plot twist".

[@vezonf3nrak]

I think The Prestige did it pretty well... Not a murder mystery exactly, but similar concept.

[@mikespearwood3914]

@@vezonf3nrak Yeah, The Prestige was brilliant.

[@zzickos]

@@vezonf3nrak Prestige set up everything perfectly. If you rewatch it you can pick up all the small hints.

[@Killer36661]

What about Ace Attorney?

[@paulvilner2629]

Have to agree...the prestige is pretty much to only one..

[@revanth84]

The ridiculous part was when Helen instead of keeping the evidence she found safe to submit in the court goes on to reveal the evidence among a bunch of ppl who are against her and can easily destroy the piece of evidence - that too on an island owned by the guy she’s confronting. And she’s basically being so carless when she knows the odds are against her on a private island where she and her evidence can easily go missing, when you already know Miles killed Andy. That whole sequence feels so surreal and stupid.

[@DM_TheCriticalDrinker202_GRAM]

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[@giusepperana6354]

Yup. And the physicality of the thing igniting and falling out of her hands and immediately burning to a crisp... what? That's ... not how fire works. Lol.

[@JazziG59]

It’s a movie you twits 😂 🤦‍♂️

[@revanth84]

@@JazziG59 Well then its not a great Mystery movie. Doesn’t do justice to the genre it tries to masquerade.

[@JazziG59]

@@revanth84 Agreed, I really don’t like Rian Johnson. I thought the first guys reply was hilarious though.

[@lilybee809]

It’s also weird that Andy never mentioned to Miles that she had a twin sister in all that time they spent together.

[@ritzcrackrrs]

They did know she had a twin. Birdie even said it.

[@YumiSumire]

Miles knows about the sister, that's why he tried to kill her.

[@emptyblank099a]

Miles literally said at the end he knew. lol

[@diamondsnake1273]

"I expected complexity. I expected intelligence. I expected a puzzle, a game. But that's not what any of this is. It hides not behind complexity, but behind mind-numbing obvious clarity. Truth is, it doesn't hide at all" - perfect summary of the movie 😆

[@shybandit521]

Precisely. It's a glass onion. On its surface appears densely layered and complex, but in truth you can look directly at the core.

[@idawg7332]

Or how about when Kate Hudson says it's so dumb it's brilliant and then Craig says no it's just dumb

[@gregstevenson7401]

I expected absolutely nothing from the movie and feel completely cheated.

[@lonnieeastin6401]

According to what authority? You? Drinker? I don't think that'll hold up in court.

[@NinjapowerMS]

To be honest the first movie was like that too. Was baffled of the high scores it got, not that its awful but I don't think it was that good.

[@MrKrtek00]

It was also very lucky that the 6 best ex-friends of Andy didn’t know she had a sister…

[@DM_TheCriticalDrinker202_GRAM]

😎ɪ ᴀᴘᴘʀᴇᴄɪᴀᴛᴇ ᴛʜᴇ👆👆 ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ sᴇɴᴅ ᴍᴇ ᴀ ᴅᴍ ɪ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ᴀ ʀᴇᴡᴀʀᴅ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ🎁🎁

[@actio123]

Birdie literally said that Andi told her she had a sister

[@amitmeena2961]

They knew about her sister so whoever among them killed andi would act weird in the beginning and would settle down once they realise she might be the sister or andi survived but in the end they didn't know andi was dead so they wouldn't think about her sister. Only miles acted a lil weird upon seeing her but settled down quickly, the movie doesn't tell if he concluded that andi survived somehow or it's his sister.

[@kirikakirikakirika]

They did know. What are you talking about? They didn't know Andi was dead. That was like, a huge aspect to the movie. It's why Dave Baptista's character was killed--because he found out Andi was dead and he knew he did it!

[@MrKrtek00]

@@kirikakirikakirika well, if you kill someone and you know about the sister, it is a very obvious trap if a look-alike turns up at the party - so they had to rely on the assumption that the killer has no idea about the twin sister, or else it is pretty obvious what is happening and the killer will poke the suspect-fake Andy with questions to test if she is the real one

[@Pomoscorzo]

Not to mention that Blanc solves his host's mystery right away when they are at dinner. Sounds genius but it's dumb since he is there with Helen for his own reasons. Had everybody been busy trying to solve the mystery over the weekend, they would both have had much more time and opportunity to follow their own ends. Oh well.

[@dealflush7]

Oh my god you're right!! It was the only part i liked, but you're right withholdin that until the 50 minute explanation of the whole movie would have kept the tension, made Blanc look smarter, and maybe flesh out the characters, but they chose the dumb

[@samuelrobert4083]

I mean, one of the key plot points, was the news of Andi's death being reported. The news of which, could only be withheld from the media for a week, as said in the flashback. They had to solve it before the news was public, or else the rest would have figured out. Details matter.

[@SpencerCJ]

He literally says in the movie he did it to protect the billionaire guy, which itself is a obfuscation to get closer to him and learn more about the actual mystery. You would know this if you actually watched the film. Rightoids really don't have any media literacy skills

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Th movie SPRINGS the reveal on the audience that Bron is the killer. You can hear Rian chuckling with pride... He's so clever! Motherfucker, if YOU killed ANDI and she SHOWS UP on your island WITH A FAMOUS DETECTIVE, what the FUCK took you so long to object to them being there that you shoot at them? Why not have them both escorted off the island? Why not kill Andi and try to bury her corpse and then THAT turns into the mystery game instead of whatever you had planned? That would've been a neat movie!

[@reginaphalange9417]

good point

[@Keverember]

I was entertained by this movie and enjoyed it! My biggest gripe is that it broke a cardinal rule of the whodunnit genre: it withheld critical information from the audience. A proper whodunnit cleverly lays every clue out before the audience so we all share in a “how did I not see that?” when the twist is revealed.

[@zorro-tramposo2652]

What info does it with hold?

[@Keverember]

@@zorro-tramposo2652 the biggest was the twin reveal with no hint of setup. There should be breadcrumbs to pick up on, especially on the rewatch.

[@Normie6969]

@@Keverember miles was shocked to see her despite inviting her to the island. Sure it's not direct but it is a setup eitherways

[@DefensiveAdvantage]

Yea. I thought the twist of having twins was pretty good. Critical's point aren't too critical he has been drinking too much,.

[@mattjones7226]

This is a perfect fit for Rian because he truly is a Glass Onion: very fragile with layers that are exactly the same.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Know how Zack snyder just makes wallpapers for desktop and iPhones? Know how Michael Bay just makes three-hour long music videos? Rian Johnson makes two-hour long TikTok videos. Everything looks awesome but its all hollow and you're only supposed to think about anything for 15-seconds.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 The accuracy of that is soul crushingly true. It's sad that so many people just want entertainment and will take the stupidest crap they can get with the mere veneer of quality. This is all Hollywood is now, all sizzle no steak.

[@charmandyorton006]

That line is kinda beautiful

[@kenlawton2105]

You missed one other part about the Batista watching his girlie thing. HE sent her to Miles to seduce him into giving Batista a spot on "Alpha News". The first time they make it look like it's a straight up affair. The second time, they show that she is trying to get him to agree to help her boyfriend.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Drinkers criticism is more to do with the girls being there when she wasn’t clearly there before thou.

And they can magically hear them talking through thick glass.

[@fynkozari9271]

What I dont understand how did the Andi got a twin? Why is she working with Blanc? Miles burned the tissue in 2 seconds? Ending is the worst.

[@thewillo1317]

Never watched a movie before have you

[@GalvinW]

@do not reported

[@lettucehelper]

I have to disagree with most of your analysis of this movie. For example, there are ways to explain Mile's behaviour (with regards to letting Blanc and "Andie" on the island) that fit with his character. What I will focus on in this comment is how you seemed to have missed something when comparing the two times we see Duke watch his girlfriend with Miles. The first time we are in close up on Duke until we hear a *snap* in the background and Duke turns around; when Duke looks back we are in a wider shot and see Blanc peer out from behind a bush. The second time we see this scene we are in a wide shot to begin with and we see both Blanc and Andie peer out, then Andy goes to move forward and steps on something, creating a *snap* sound, after which both characters hide as Duke turns around. So, there was no lie, we just saw things from a different perspective the second time.

[@cutiepie338]

don't expect any intelligence from a loser incel still whining about garbage wars years after the movie came out xD last jedi even was one of the better movies of that terrible franchise

[@RagnaRantz]

…yeah, but…no I hear what you’re saying here, and it would make sense… But look at the first angle again please. And Yeah, they’re both practically leaning out at the same time. Snap or no snap (you’re right about the snap, well said) But, sorry, it’s blatant manipulation cause, well, already said it. She would have totally been visible in the first angle. Not bad though, given if the first angle was panned inward more. But it wasn’t, and Andy should have been completely visible (Not “should” but, I think you’re believing the first shot didn’t show as much as it did. It did m8, the f-ing tree she’s behind it right there…. I mean dude it’s *right* *there*) Doesn’t mean you don’t have others you have arguments against that make sense, not against you…but that shot & 2nd shot was such blatant manipulation…which is not what helps a good thriller/mystery at all. Compare this to, say, The Prestige…where the use of a twin is actually believable, given the era & the professions of the main characters. And the fact that there’s no forced manipulation; you pay attention enough, you’ll see the mystery, the reveal, cause Nolan respects the intelligence of the audience. Compare it to Memento (totally didn’t mean to use 2 Nolan movies). Different perspectives work, because we’re relying on the narration/perspective of an unreliable narrator. Changes in face/environment make sense due to his handicap, and no blatant manipulation of the camera is really used. This isn’t to say that there aren’t other things to not agree with here, I hear you on that (so really, a bombing of keyboard warrior attacks b/c I simply disagree w/one thing, and articulated why…would be appreciated. You know what I mean lol Well, hopefully. Anyway, 👍✌️

[@iEffloresce]

​@@RagnaRantz I don''t think you're understanding how the scene is playing out. Helen isn't visible because the shot we are shown with just Blanc IS AFTER she moved places and broke the twig. The peeking scenes are not at the same time, they are two different peeks that happen seconds apart. The timeline is Blanc and Helen peak (we don't see this part until later), Helen moves and breaks a twig, Duke looks behind him and sees nothing, then Blanc by himself peaks AGAIN and Helen is not in that spot anymore because she moved. The first time we see the scene it starts with the second peek, then later on they reveal more of the scene that happened earlier.

[@RagnaRantz]

@@iEffloresce umm Dude? I’m understanding how the scene is playing out. Really. It’s not complicated. I am simply saying that, with that first shot? The tree that she is clearly behind at the SAME time? She should be visible. I get it (please m8, not difficult) It’s the perspective of Blanc. But the angle…dude the angle was flat out bad. If you show the background, the actual tree she was right behind, even if we’re in “Blanc’s perspective”… Blanc’s perspective then loses to the perspective to the audience being able to see what’s behind him. Period. His perspective loses credibility if you’re going to have an angle that would have shown her. But I hear you. To keep it in Blanc’s perspective & to have that perspective not lose credibility (cause it did)…all the director had to do was pan IN and NOT show where she clearly was. That’s it. Done. Blanc’s perspective stays intact and does not lose out to the obvious perspective of the audience. That’s blatant manipulation…hands down and no way around it. Imagine it were a book. Blanc’s head. He wouldn’t have described the scenery behind him. The fact there is a second tree (or he would of, right before peaking out). It would narrate him subtlety peaking out, being careful. The narrate the sound of the snap. It would NOT have narrated “at the exact time I peaked out, so did”…you see what I mean? I’m not disagreeing about the perspective. I’m saying that, it’s a movie, and Blanc’s perspective loses to the perspective of the audience the moment we can see behind him. And when it shows the same shot, but OH NOW she’s there too…that’s manipulative. Sorry m8, no way around that. I get what you’re saying, and it holds a little weight. But not much when we see the exact same tree, twice…one where she’s not peaking just like him, one where she is. It’s fine to disagree…but at this point, to not see my point; that’s almost flat denial Anyway…appreciate the respect. And I mean that, considering the absolute incredible salt and anger with anyone that doesn’t agree “this was a great movie”. Ehh. Anyway…to say “I’m not understanding”-no mate, stop misunderstanding me is all. See? They shouldn’t have shown that tree, they shouldn’t have shown that angle. Wanna keep it in Blanc’s perspective and not have that lose out to the intelligence of the audience? Simple, pan in and DONT show the tree behind him. See? And if not, just gotta agree to disagree. Only reason I say “stop saying I don’t understand”- cause that’s becoming “turning a blind eye”…and you don’t mean it ugly, I know that, but it’s an insult to my intelligence. Reiterating; it’s not that complicated, your point- Take care. And again, I do appreciate the respect. And, back at you. No insults toward you, at all. I’m sure you probably see my point. If we disagree still? Oh well, it’s ok.✌️

[@lettucehelper]

@@RagnaRantz hey, yeah, I looked back and you're right, the shot was wide enough that we should have seen Blanc and Helen/Andi lean out the first time around. I would say that is a framing or editing mistake, though and not blatant manipulation. I mean, if they had actually done just a close up on Duke so that you couldn't see the trees (like I thought they did), then it all works. It's not like they showed Blanc peeking out pre-snap the first time and then Helen and Blanc peeking out pre-snap the second time. That would have been blatant manipulation. The fact that the snap sound is there makes it clear that it was a marker for when the audience was supposed to see certain things. So, yeah, they screwed up (no movie is perfect), but the intent was merely to hide the fact that Helen was also there until the second pass. It's still a good movie that holds up way, way better than Drinker implies it does.

[@wild_goose_0285]

I love how when Drinker mentions Sherlock he shows the Basil Rathbone rendition.

[@Ghost_Text]

Lesson: Before you put characters in a bind or allow significant events to happen, always acknowledge the larger ramifications of said event, and a believable way to get your character out.

[@MarkusBartus]

The scene where she points out a direct evidence to Edward Northon face in close proximity so he can burn it just by reaching it and set it on fire by lighter was the most idiotic contrive plot point imaginable so Rian can have his explosion at the end of the movie and having joy to destroy one of the most important piece of painting in human history.

[@xavmanisdabestest]

A painting famous because it was stolen not because it was great. Its one of the many apt metaphors of destroying it while at the same time destroying Edward Nortons character. Definitely agree it was stupid to put the paper that close to him but not completely unreasonable to get an ego when you think you've won.

[@kylevernon]

The worst thing about that was the shot framing. Andi looked like she was further away and it never establishes she was as close to Miles until he suddenly burns the napkin. The movie had terrible cinematography.

[@kylevernon]

@@xavmanisdabestest Pretty sure it is famous because of who made it.

[@doomsdaybooty1072]

I agree. And also the fact that he drove his one of a kind car that only he has to his ex partner's house to murder her, that's dumb also

[@cayden2744]

@@doomsdaybooty1072 Well, the character is dumb so imo that's a consistent point lol

[@DanEdelen]

You can forgive some of the sins of _Glass Onion_ if there were a mystery here. But the Drinker nails the core problem in that there’s nothing given to viewers that allows them to ponder an actual mystery. In watching this with my wife and son, there was none of the banter between us as we tried to guess whodunit. That was telling.

[@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield]

The point of the film isn't the murder mystery. It's called "Glass Onion" for a reason. You have to peel the layers of an onion to see its core. You can see straight to the core of a glass onion. It's an allegory for how we view high society in contrast with what they actually are (which is explicit in the film). We allow ourselves to be blinded by their layers of "sophistication" and wealth when we can literally look right past that and see the truth.

[@MissCookieThief]

@@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield The title of the film is "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." Mystery is literally in the title, not to mention that they put it in the "mystery/crime" genre, marketed it as a murder mystery, and it is a direct sequel to an Agatha Christie-inspired murder mystery film and features the same detective character. This movie does not get to have a terribly-written bullshit mystery plot and then excuse it with the defense that it's not actually a mystery movie.

[@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield]

@@MissCookieThief The Title is like an oxymoron. I know it's a terrible movie murder mystery, but that's not the point. The moral of the story is timeless and is especially relevant right now (also explicit in the film). Yes, it's bad and seemingly halfassed, but the plot isn't the purpose. If you still think it's supposed to be a murder mystery, you just allowed yourself to be trolled by Rian Johnson

[@MrDj232]

It's a sequel to a "murder mystery" where the obvious red herring turned out to actually be the killer. What were you expecting?

[@boilderrik893]

@Soggmeister The only one trolled here is you if you think that a man who was handed 100's of millions of dollars to hire a dozen millionaires from Hollywood to preach about the flaws of idolizing "high society" is timeless and meaningful commentary.

[@aggressivejeff4695]

I like how roughly 2/3 of the way through the video it devolves into “what if the world was made of pudding”

[@jimsmith4548]

Kinda like the 4/4 of the actual film...

[@jorisessen8410]

@@jimsmith4548 and you have 0/5 chance to understand a film that is not that complex....

[@ewansadler5406]

This is essentially like asking "well what if bail organa never adopted leia" all of starwars falls apart, it must be awful writing because if we take out a major plot point the story doesn't work anymore. Or "what if Ben hadn't saved Luke from the sand people"

[@auroraSLAP]

@@ewansadler5406Nope. These are questions regarding the characters doing anything sensible instead of the things they actually do in the story. What you’re describing are inciting incidents that happened as backstory.

[@ewansadler5406]

@@auroraSLAP but the characters are shown to be less than sensible, so is it not even less sensible to assume they would act in a sensible manor? Is your complaint not like asking "well why didn't the introverted character not want to ask the love interest out I'm an extrovert and I'd happily do it"

[@excellentgaming2247]

I laughed way too hard at the listing of all the crimes the characters would go to jail for. Thank you Drinker

[@wesgleeson]

They should add a mid-credits scene where Rian Johnson gets arrested

[@spunkush]

Omg finally a take I agree with on this movie. It was mind numbing hearing people praise this movie. "It's stupid on purpose! Genius!"

[@firstlast9846]

It is pretty clever tho - something appears deep - but it’s so transparent you know what’s gonna happen from the beginning (Glass Onion metaphor) just wish they didn’t spell out the metaphor for everyone

[@seafoam6119]

@@firstlast9846 it’s clever because it’s bad!

[@seafoam6119]

On purpose!

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

@@firstlast9846 so basically Rian Johnson can’t do anything unless he’s screwing it up on purpose. Yep. That’s a genius.

[@WhatisReal11]

I have this take, come see ... had it before anyone

[@richardgonzalez4633]

I think he was actually drunk while watching this movie.

[@Techno_Bunny433]

It'd be in character for him

[@1qualitybacon]

Im not sure if he actually watched the movie

[@kiwij1424]

I think he was drunk making the video too

[@thanthan4181]

All his nitpicks were countered perfectly in this video. This vid is what you get if you don't pay enough attention to the movie you're watching 🤷‍♂️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/eF6YpoaPZsSVbpI

[@xenomorph733]

Explain how he's wrong this movie is terrible the whole it's just dumb excuse doesn't excuse bad writing

[@chriss3913]

As soon as they brilliantly opened that magic box, I knew that this was a popcorn rollercoaster show and not detective stuff.

[@SylvainBerger]

I saw this movie as a caricature and a silly comedy and it worked for me. Each character is a caricature of many vapid, corrupt or insane celebrities and the plot is as ridiculous as each characters. I thought it was silly on purpose and I enjoyed it. I don't think they were trying to make a clever serious movie...but then again I can be totally wrong.

[@sajtoskifli250]

I agree with you, I think this wanted to be a fun movie. It made fun of the pandemic, how celebrities acted about it and told a story with simple dumb characters.

[@slomnim]

I get this, yeah. Hence the flamboyant dress, the silly "people in eyesight while eavesdropping" etc It feels like it was trying to be a comic book in appearance, and silly/pointless in intent

[@playtime5234]

Fun movie

[@Ixiah27]

Considering how Ruin Johnson mastrubates to "Subversion" and his own non existent high IQ, i would go for that the movie was actualy trying to be clever, but fails.

[@derrickdiggs8612]

@@sajtoskifli250 I didn’t take it self too seriously. It was a fun movie. I didn’t really know how to feel at first, but it started to grow on me. It showed just how much people are willing to tolerate as long as it help them get ahead. You really felt like anyone could have been the suspect. Looking forward to the third installment in the franchise.

[@superkruger]

The worst thing about this movie is the idea that that napkin actually contains a business plan.

[@Ubiquitous0INSPEC]

🤣🤣🤣

[@enigma7791]

Quick flow diagram with a few words and BINGO! Billion pound idea! No technical data, no radical formula, no genius code, just a flow diagram! What am I doing wasting time writing this...I should be writing a flow diagram.

[@kenechukwuimm]

@@enigma7791 😂😂😂

[@GeekNewz]

@@enigma7791 reacting to your comment seems like a waste of time now

[@garrettc1973]

It's not a buisness plan but it is proof that the idea that created the buisness was her idea.

[@griffinlord5411]

Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best: you can't convince a stupid person of the truth the same way you can with a someone who is just uninformed. In the case of the latter, you can use logic and reasoning to show them the faults of their beliefs and teach them the truth. A stupid person will always hold fast to their opinion even if its illogical and ridiculous, and even if you try to convince them of the truth. The reason is, simply, they are stupid. Great video, Drinker

[@markallen2984]

That's a very good explanation as to why you can't convince Trump hating numb skulls that the January 6th committee and investigation are complete frauds and political theater

[@Dudldom]

"Mom, can I have Agatha Christie?" "We have Agatha Christie at home." Agatha Christie at home:

[@cabefinn]

It’s almost like it was written by the same guy who wrote a scene in which a defensible position was said to have only a single way in or out. Then, in the very next scene had about 15 doors open in the side of said defensible position. 🤔 only to later find out that there was yet another ‘secret’ way out. Such brilliant writing.

[@AlexiaHoardwing]

@complete video here Troll bait.

[@Wahba.]

I must have blocked this in my memory, was it TLJ?

[@cabefinn]

@@Wahba. yea. It was the place where Luke made his last stand. If you can call it that.

[@asuicidalclown]

Or a guy who put a character literally allergic to lying in a mystery film.

[@feliciadraws7371]

Or bases a childish internet troll-type character on people who criticised his undeniably terrible movie, even though most of the criticism of said movie was legitimate criticism that he vilified as “toxic fans, trolls and man-babies”.

[@BalaganCuts2010]

I love how then they showed Benoit and Helen's list of suspects, they left off Whiskey and Peg. Worlds greatest detective decides not to investigate two people at the scene of a crime simply because they aren't main characters. Brilliant.

[@jenniferariesta6464]

Did you even watch the movie? They investigated the people who got sent the email.

[@iansmart4158]

@@jenniferariesta6464 these ppl just wanna hate. Any thinking person would be able to put 2 and 2 together about what some “plot holes” were. Hell, even the Drinkers remark about Blanc’s swim west is silly. Blanc is a famous rich detective. Of course he dresses like a famous to person and not like an every day person. Like obvious stuff…

[@Victor-gz8ml]

Huh Whiskey and Peg had zero motive to commit the murders? Why would they waste energy investigating them?

[@Swindle1984]

Don't forget the guy freeloading at the billionaire's mansion for some reason. We never find out who he is, how he knows the guy, why he's there, or anything else about him. He also seems incredibly blase about the mansion blowing up. And yet he's never considered a suspect, or even looked into at all.

[@RRTNZ]

It's because Blanc read the script, wow what a way to have characters save time....ugh, that level of writing is just painful.

[@TMAS01]

How could they be friends for all that time and none of them know she had an identical twin sister?

[@spand9043]

Because they didn't give a shit about her and were morons?

[@AdderTude]

There's another good question.

[@xavmanisdabestest]

They did know, just know she was dead for the twin to need to step in

[@dericanslum1696]

...they did...they just didn't know one was dead...try to keep up...

[@victora.1329]

@@xavmanisdabestest but what about Norton's character? He surely would've know that Andi was most likely dead AND she has a twin sister

[@calebwooten7732]

5:58 "On the surface it seems like this complex, multi-layered, mystery plot that gives up a little more information as each layer is unraveled, but the truth is that it's nothing but the flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing lying beneath." Lol, is this satire? You do know the name of the movie right?

[@sotheofdaein]

"You am defeated me Benoit Blanc, you truly are the Glass Onion" -Miles' last words.

[@DS-mi9ru]

And then he Onioned all over the place. Truly one of the films of this year.

[@sotheofdaein]

@@DS-mi9ru I loved it when miles said "its Onion' time" right before he Glassed Duke.

[@RanMouri82]

I keep thinking of Chris Benoit and expecting a suplex.

[@Salad_ass]

The blond chic defnitly Boinked Ryan Johnson for this roll

[@chriscurson8732]

Critical! I saw you mentioned Aberdeen and on the tiny chance you read this please reply cos I live in Aberdeen and I barely get to see anyone even mention them.

[@kieronjdonovan]

It was fun when you subvert your expectations. The cut off in the middle when we find out Helen is her sister really did ruin my fun at that point I was just like “right ok hurry up I’m bored now” but up until that point I had faith then lost it all.

[@wodensol5000]

If you had faith up until that point, then you deserved to be subverted shittily like that. You could tell within the first 5-10 mins it was going to be trash. Hopefully from here on in you'll be able to tell and save yourself some time lol

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

The amount of rave reviews just indicates how many people have never read a good muder mystery in their life. Yes, I am talking about books. All things aside, how the fuck do you not know that the woman you killed has a twin sister? HOW? The movie makes it so Andi and Bron worked side by side on the Klear project. Okay, maybe he's that ignorant that he wouldn't care enough to know about Andi's family. But...he went to her house to kill her. Were there no pictures? Does Bron not have social media? Wouldn't you keep track of all your employees? This story is set in a world where "Men's Rights Advocates" are KZbinrs. But corporations like Alpha don't keep track of employees' social media? Even though Bron is supposed to be this rich, smug control-freak asshole? Oh, its just inconvenient for Rian's story, oh, that's why!

[@osets2117]

​@@valentinegonsalves7322"set in a world where men's rights advocates are KZbinrs" considering those actually exist in the real world you might want to choose a different example (but yes I noticed that too, how does he not know she has a twin sister?)

[@cokemaster3710]

@@valentinegonsalves7322can you name a couple good murder mystery films since you dont like this one too much

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Same. I just lost interest and shut it off witn 30 mins left on the film.

[@Fairly-odd-kel]

I had a feeling the first one was a fluke that did well because of its fantastic cast, but that was brilliant compared to this one tbh.

[@MrJC1]

true!

[@StefunnyStrange]

DRINKER, as much as I love your channel, your bias toward Rian Johnson is showing. I don’t even have the energy to point out everything you got wrong here but I’ll start and finish by pointing out that they didn’t rewrite history with the hiding behind the bushes scene. You just weren’t watching close enough. Watch again and pay attention this time and you’ll suddenly realize that she was always there. Hence, the sound of her stepping on a twig when they show it the first time. You got so many things wrong in this video and I wish I could point out each thing but I just do not have the time. I really think your hate for Rian has blinded you to very obvious plot elements. And I hated The Last Jedi too but damn…. It’s been almost 6 damn years, bro. Time to move on.

[@elijahhutchings7947]

🎯💯 he’s criticized the gun getting taking when we see bro be a irresponsible gun owner. He has it on full display all the time, easily accessible, shoots it dangerously for no reason/fun, and drinks while he has it. Yeah I believe someone that irresponsible could get his gun taken especially in a situation like that.

[@Icetea-2000]

But Rian Johnson himself certainly isn’t hiding his own affection towards having nonsensical expectation subversions for no other reason but shock value, so what’s the problem with pointing that out?

[@raygun8308]

Ironic how the film mirrors Miles in the sense that it’s portrayed as nuanced, intelligent and classy just to be revealed as dumb

[@kickapoo242]

That’s literally the point. The movie is supposed to be ridiculous. It’s making fun of itself

[@brodude7194]

@@kickapoo242 Nah it's still dumb. You know, not all jokes are funny

[@The_Breaded92]

@@kickapoo242 right?! It's not hard to realize this lol. Everyone's a friggin critic these days lol

[@TheMitmiter]

@@The_Breaded92 This film is pretty easy to criticize.

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

​@@kickapoo242 "Haha I was only pretending to be dumb" is not a valid position to hold.

[@finitudeimperial8930]

I wholeheartedly agree. It baffles me that so many KZbinrs are writing video essays praising this film for dismantling and re-writing the genre when it's clearly just an extremely poorly made garbage fest. Excellent analysis Edit: I'd just like to add that it is also a very, very boring film. Not only does the 'meta-analysis' of the film's themes and meaning fall as underwhelming, it is also exceedingly BORING. I actually really liked the first one that was made but this was awful. Don't listen to the KZbin film essayists.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Answer is always the same: MONEY.

[@jwroot]

And even Chris Stuckmann of all people seems to love Glass Onion. Sad.

[@benjaminc924]

Most people including me fell for the facade the movie itself literally spells out: its about layers of complexity hiding the obviously visible truth of idiocy. The whole script is obviously stupid if you take the time to actually look at it, but its facade of complexity hides it.

[@benjaminc924]

I still enjoyed the film, and will likely watch it again because its the closest thing I'll have to a competently written Hollywood movie- a facade of one.

[@fishjones4618]

I’m sick of the whole “deconstructionist” angle in all types of fiction, be it horror (Scream), superheroes (The Boys, Brightburn), sci-fi(Nu Trek), or this. The creator is basically saying “I has no meaningful contribution to the thing so I’m gonna break the thing down to show how I has a genius”.

[@rexlumontad5644]

0:01 "A person is smart but people are dumb dangerous animals and you know it." - Agent K from Men in Black

[@KrazyK785]

You don't know how much I adore that line.

[@spinnenente]

I dissagree with you on this one. You blow up minor plot issues way too much. I agree that the caracters needed more depth and the setup is somewhat held together with shoestrings. But for me those issues don't detract from the overall experience too much. The glass swap was very poorly thought out was pretty much the only thing i would call entriely wrong. Similar to the first movie whe get an recontextualisation after about half and i think it was done very well without giving too much away. It is by no means a perfect film but if you can overlook some issues and plot convencience then it is a pretty good watch.

[@RolandDeschain1]

I was pretty much entertained by the breezy charm of the cast. But I get the feeling that when Johnson signed that $400 million Netflix deal he was like: "Shit, I better write something fast!"

[@liamphibia]

And now he's got a write another Knives Out movie, but this time with the... Muppets?!

[@ralph9989]

At least Glass Onion makes more sense than Bird Box or Tall Girl

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

What's funny is TCD insuiating he was stupid. ANYONE will sign a $400 million dollar deal to make two movies.

[@Blackaos367]

I honestly thought it was meant as a subtle parody of murder movies... and as such I did enjoy it.

[@carlbig3118]

This movie shits in the face of everything Drinker believes + it has been directed by the man guilty of directing a movie of a franchise who has been shit since the 80s, no surprises Drinker despised it with all his strenght

[@kelp7060]

@@carlbig3118 Yeah, it can't be the metric fuck ton of flaws that make it bad.

[@Garret_bruh_homey]

Not really. Rain Johnson loves mystery as a genre. The general scornful tone of the movie is just his usual stamp.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@Garret_bruh_homey the problem with that is it doesn’t say that it’s a satire, they literally call it a mystery and it film plays itself pretty straight till halfway through.

[@geraltrivia9565]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 ?

[@timalmondvideo]

Spot on. I read a lot of old detective stuff. Mostly Christie and Sayers and some others from the same era. And it's the one genre that really tests writing skills in plot, character, motivation. You can get away with a lot of sins in other areas, but it's all about a puzzle to be solved, and the skill of making one that both confounds an audience, while also revealing all the facts is a rare one. This has all the surface of a Poirot film: the well-known cast, the luxury locations, but it is much like the Star Wars films that have lightsabres and AT-STs, but are rubbish. Or you know the Indiana Jones film is going to have the whip and something about snakes, but it's not going to have the soul of the original trilogy. I also think this film follows the very annoying current trend of trying to please the sort of critics who like its social commentary, rather than an audience. The woman who uses sweatshops, the right-wing shock jock, the tech billionaire. These are such easy, lazy targets. Like when socialists complain about Jeff Bezos but still sell their books on Amazon. Or how about someone asking what they think people in Bangladesh are going to be doing if not making clothes for Primark. And how about some technical detail, like you can't protect an idea. Intellectual property law covers patents, copyright and trademarks. You can come up with a brilliant idea for a company and someone can steal it from you. It's why a lot of companies keep new ideas hushed up, employ only the most trusted people to work on them. Or what's the general theory behind that hydrogen that, well, explodes when it hits fire. What else is it supposed to do? You know, people like Christie and Sayers used to do the research so their plots, mechanisms were grounded in the real world. I think it's fine to have Magical Bullshit, but I think you should define that the world you are in is Magical Bullshit World first.

[@kylevernon]

Great analysis, I want to also add the film had horrible set up to the twist and then a gruelingly long exposition dump. The movie bothered to set up superficial things like the hydrogen, the painting, the malapropism, but it never actually sets up anything of use or plot relevance. The red letter is set up after the exposition dump. The second biggest problem is POV. The movie has a first person perspective from Blanc but intentionally obscures reality and our perspective of him. It’s obscured for the sake of plot, and not because he was an unreliable narrator. The film just lies to you and then switches to the other first person perspective of Helen which acts as an exposition dump rather. She is the reliable narrator in which we see reality for it is but not Blanc. It makes no sense and lacks an actually reasoning for the movie making Blanc an unreliable narrator.

[@donoimdono2702]

and a 9mm will certainly penetrate a 1/2" thick book

[@comedicsociopathy]

Well, except for the silly, short-sighted excuse for cheap labour, I agree. But it seems modern writers just lack the logic skills for these kind of stories so they take the easy way out. It's not like critics and audiences hate it so they know they can keep going. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@SeraphsWitness]

"The woman who uses sweatshops, the right-wing shock jock, the tech billionaire." - The funny part is, in reality, most of those trope characters are left-wingers. It seems so tone deaf to me. They keep bringing up that Kate Hudson's character got in trouble for blackface. Who are the people historically who keep getting nailed for that? It's almost always lefties. Jimmy Kimmel, Justin Trudeau, Sarah Silverman, Ralph Northam.

[@gildor8866]

I think your perception depends on what you expect from a movie. People expecting a murder-mystery would certainly be disappointed if the movie starts by showing who the murderer is and how he does the murder, then show the murderer easily dancing around the stupid detective investigating it until the big twist at the end is that the detecive wasn't stupid at all and catches him. Thats the plot of every columbo-movie. You don't watch it to find out who is the murderer or wether or not Columbo will catch him, we know he will. You just enjoy the journey, wondering how it will happen. This movie doesn't take itself to serious, the Mona Lisa being there is a giveaway, certainly its destruction in the end. Also if it were a true murder mystery it would prevent you from knowing the truth until it wants you to know it. You could suppect Miles swapped the glasses with Duke or had taken his mobile, but he would not be shown doing it or having the mobile in his pocket. This movie does. The characters are caricatures and a macguffin is simply a macguffin. Wether you consider it a good or a bad movie, it doesn't really try to be Murder on the Orient Express or Death on the Nile so accusing it of not being it is IMHO somwhat beside the point.

[@MoreImbaThanYou]

The scene with first only Blan watching, and then Helen AND Blanc watching from behinda tree does make chronological sense. Helen steps on a twig AFTER she ducks away to get closer. Thats when we see Blanc alone in the first time this scene is shown. I was way more annoyed by how conviently Blanc supposed that the shooter doesn't still stand behind the mirror after Helen gets up again, saved by the bullshit-diary.

[@k.c.mackey3941]

I think absurd plot conveniences work when the world is setup as a heightened reality and you want to see a ridiculous outcome. It didn't seem like it wanted to be taken seriously, so I just enjoyed watching talented actors in silly clothes act as caricatures. And the first movie used a lot of alternate perspective/unreliable narrator stuff in flashbacks so when we see a scene multiple times with different details I just accepted different characters saw or knew different things. That said, I do not defend The Last Jedi. Maybe it's ironic, but I want the space ships and lasers to be taken more seriously than a whodunit featuring a guy named Benoit Blanc.

[@dewulfe9913]

Same. I took this film with a massive grain of salt, and for me it was 'fine' as a throw-away flick to pass the time (full disclosure: the 3 glasses of pinot gris did not hurt in this regard :D ). And the accent Daniel Craig is using is so over-the-top, I just can't take this shit seriously. Foghorn Leghorn indeed! So yes, I agree with the Drinker that if anyone thinks this is a masterpiece....well, they may not have another 'think' coming, but they probably should. And I will never forgive absolute narcissist Rian for what he did to SW. Him, KK and JJ can burn in hell.

[@georgethomas9040]

Yeah these films definitely aren't meant to be taken seriously, its parody. I thought the original did it better however, although I still enjoyed Glass Onion for what it is.

[@darkalityleonid4114]

how dare you express a nuanced opinion about media on the internet. Don't you know that everything has to be flawless or pure garbage all the time? I mean, the bullet conveniently hitting the book has to be bad writing, because she was expecting to get shot right? It's not like it's a narrative trope utilized in media on a regular basis. In all seriousness. I'm with you. absurd plots and vapid characters are fine when the story is meant to be fun and light. Nobody was making the Titanic here, we can afford some levity and leeway to make room for a story.

[@rvantong]

Right. All these people usually complain about movies not allowed to be just fun anymore complaining about a movie that's just trying to be fun. Not every movie needs to be a deep character study. These are meant to be caricatures

[@shadowwhogames6063]

“Flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing beneath” is the whole point of the movie. This guy is so close 6:10

[@SeasonedRookie]

Exactly lmao. It’s obvious that his contempt for Rian Johnson framed his perception of this movie before he ever saw it.

[@andrewralte4844]

I dont think he watched it...at all

[@felisasininus1784]

@@SeasonedRookie Fkn exactly. He severely underestimated Rian Johnson's intellect, and winds up making himself look like a brainlet in the eyes of everyone with half a dozen brain cells. Critical Drinker? More like Typical Sphincter!

[@XanDerSon88]

I thought he was talking about his channel

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

satire is supposed to make fun of something stupid, not be the stupid thing itself. people who thought this movie was so meta and clever are the dumbest people on the planet

[@sarahotgirlvlogs3565]

My favorite part of this "mystery movie" is when multiple characters are hiding in plain site and eavesdropping on every noteworthy conversation.

[@ccateni28]

@@gregelchert752 Ryan Johnson: Eavesdropping Is Key In My Movies!

[@jakobsjolander]

I haven't seen the film, but this reminds me of Father Knox's Ten Rules of Golden Age Detective Fiction: 1. The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to follow. 2. All supernaural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course. 3. Not more than one secret room or passage is allowable. 4. No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end. 5. No Chinaman must figure in the story. 6. No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right. 7. The detective must not himself commit the crime. 8. The detective must not light on any clues which are not instantly produced for the inspection of the reader. 9. The stupid friend of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal any thoughts which pass through his mind; his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly, below that of the average reader. 10. Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.

[@sarahb.7175]

I've always wondered about that fifth rule...

[@b.c.102]

@@sarahb.7175 It was a cliché at the time to have terribly written racist depictions of Chinese characters in contemporary stories, and Knox was trying to wave readers off from such things. When asked about it, he wrote: "I see no reason in the nature of things why a Chinaman should spoil a detective story. But as a matter of fact, if you are turning over the pages of an unknown romance in a bookstore, and come across some mention of the narrow, slit-like eyes of Chin Loo, avoid that story; it is bad."

[@darwinbodero7872]

⁠@@sarahb.7175I think it means you should not produce a character that is an obvious ethnically stereotyped villain

[@darwinbodero7872]

@@sarahb.7175 Dr. No from James Bond comes to mind. When I was a kid I thought it was an eclectic British villain who liked oriental culture. Until I realized they hired a white guy to play a Chinese villain lmao

[@moot1980]

Ironically this film also fits the metaphor of the glass onion, appearing complex but in truth being painfully transparent

[@yewtewbstew547]

Surely a glass onion would be the opposite of that? Appearing transparent but actually having multiple hard to see layers.

[@josephcauchi3255]

that's literally the point of the movie

[@ianmiller6798]

That's not irony if it's on purpose

[@Arvigeus]

@@yewtewbstew547 I love your rendition of the idea! Like if the movie was generally the same until the midpoint twist, only to be revealed later that actually Miles and Andi's sister were working together to solve real Andi's murder, and Blanc was kept in the dark to keep him as objective as possible. Basically a real mystery after the viewer considered the fake main mystery solved, just like Knives out.

[@sailammohamed1719]

@@yewtewbstew547 ​ Sorry, but how will the layers be hard to see if the whole onion is transparent? I think you mean difficult to distinguish one layer from another, but the layers are transparent all the way to the visible core.

[@robdelaney95]

I enjoyed it until it was revealed the woman had a twin sister, then I immediately knew it was going to go off the rails into pure stupidity.

[@KingEgyptian]

Bro, when they revealed that I just skipped straight to the end. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@ReasonablySkeptic]

Not me. For the first half i thought "they antman 2-ed the detective. Because he was acting SO MUCH DUMBER THAN THE FIRST MOVIE. Then they revealed that he was smart, just incompetent without the black woman doing everything for him.

[@asmodiusjones9563]

The problem with that twist was its functionally deus ex machina. There was no way for the audience to have known that, and it was completely inconsistent with the facts presented so far (the inventor guy would have immediately known it was the twin, having personally killed his old partner, and strongly suspected she was the one that brought the detective. But actually he greeted her and treated her like the murdered twin, and didn’t immediately kick out the detective).

[@cokemaster3710]

@@KingEgyptianno you didn’t dont lie for likes

[@csoto2133]

Same. I was watching and when Batista was murdered, I thought, wow, how much time is left? When I saw it was half way through and there was still another hour left, I knew it wasn't going to be good. The twin sister flashback back story stuff was too much.

[@bloodrunsclear]

'It was all so stupid. You thought it was a game or a clever ploy, but no. It was just stupid!' - Glass Onion reviewing itself

[@shinkaibara1025]

Yeah , I love people picking the exact statement the movie makes, as a total "gotcha!" moment.

[@bloodrunsclear]

@@shinkaibara1025hat statement was supposed to be impressive I’m certain, but it sure de-fuses the puerile political statement to admit it’s in a stupid story…

[@shinkaibara1025]

@@bloodrunsclear It depends: dumb means also unpredictable, with a certain degree of randomness. A perfectly crafted plan can be, paradoxically, easier to predict, because you expect every action taken to have a purpose for maximum benefit and efficiency. Sometimes, very often in fact, people fumble and do things on the spur of the moment. For someone as logical as Blanc, it's more difficult to figure out. That's why the movie allows itself to be so transparent and have Helen, who is no sleuth , blurt out the culprit's name and motive, only to have Blanc say that it'd be unbecoming of someone obviously so clever as a multimillionaire genius, to do something like that. That's something a lot of wuddunits do, actually, have the most likely culprit instantly exposed , only to have something else (by their clever machination or else) divert the attention to other people.

[@bloodrunsclear]

@@shinkaibara1025 So...it's dumb

[@galil_6863]

I don't think the movie was poorly written, was just poorly directed. The script and characters are best suited for a satire or a spoof, but the director tried make it look like a serious movie.

[@johnleonard9102]

"Boys cannot identify with a female lead" Samus Aran: "I'm sorry, what?"

[@guardiansparky1766]

Lara Croft, Commander Shepard (Sometimes), Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor would be on the list but I don't really relate to somebody who is that determined lol

[@vancityguy]

Street Fighter female characters (notably Chun-Li), Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield, Rebecca Chambers.

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

Male writers who wrote countless amazing female leads: "are we a joke to you?"

[@Vaelosh466]

What does "identify with" even have to do with entertainment? Usually you are supposed to empathize with the main character, but you can do that regardless of their gender or ethnicity. I can't identify with any characters in The Wire, none of them represent my life experience, but I can empathize with them. I can understand their motivations and life circumstances that lead to their decisions.

[@dark_winter8238]

Realistically, I can not identify with most leads. Sam Tarly would be the character I identify most with in GOT. Definitely not John Snow.

[@duyas1628]

He writes people like this because these are the kind of people he works with and has in his social circles.

[@Mrch33ky]

And because he has no imagination.

[@yoyoma17]

And because they're in such a bubble they probably truly have no idea 99% of humanity would find these people disgusting and plastic characters.

[@CaptinPain1]

Turned this movie off after 5 mins. Completely agree, the dialogue was written through the lens of a moron. I'd rather pass a kidney stone than sit through this or Don't Look Up.

[@yoyoma17]

@@CaptinPain1 right, just cannot understand why so many eat movies like this up. I think they that THEY think they will look foolish if they don't pretend to like it... cuz the mass formation says they should.. weird days.

[@vladpiranha]

They're all internet stereotypes because social media is his gateway to the rest of the world.

[@electricbayonet2]

Four things that jumped out at me as I was watching: -The biggest mystery for me was "Is Miles acting alone, is Birdie and possible another in on whatever murder is about to happen, or is Rian Johnson just a bad writer and Miles/Birdie is just being used as a mouthpiece to tell the audience why nobody is looking elsewhere?" From the moment Miles paused his speech literally to tell everyone to watch Birdie dance, I knew that Rian was setting up one of the most glaringly obvious pieces of misdirection imaginable. Yes, Rian, 'watch the birdie,' you're very clever. -The next biggest mystery was "Wait, what was that about poison? Duke was clutching his throat and gasping for air. He looks like he's having a severe allergic reaction, but surely if he was _deathly_ _allergic_ to something, his longtime friends would all know, his girlfriend would know, he'd have an Epi-pen, etc...right?" And no, Rian, saying "Duke don't play with pineapple" doesn't count, especially since it doesn't explain why anyone that should know him this well thought he was poisoned (especially when it's made very clear that he accidentally drank from someone else's glass) or why anyone with such a severe allergy wouldn't have an epi-pen. -Rian, if you're going to hide a clue in plain sight, don't do it with the repetition of a word as distinct as 'pancake.' There's a reason that word gets frequent traffic as a safeword, because it _stands_ _the_ _feck_ _out_ in any non-breakfast context. -I thought the extent of the protective glass's plot relevance would be distracting people at a key moment. Or, if we were getting really funny-stupid, decapitating someone. I did not expect the movie's 'triumphant' climax to involve our 'heroine' destroying one of the most famous and culturally significant pieces of artwork in existence. Or the story to conclude with the assumption that _more_ _perjury_ will surely see that justice is done. Afterwards, the entire notion of Miles being a not-so-secret idiot riding Andi's coattails baffled me. We saw the flashback. We heard the narration. Apparently, him being brought into the group was instrumental in every member of the group finding significant success when they seemed to be plateauing in life. But...he's also an idiot who would have been nothing without that rinky-dink flowchart that Andi drew on a napkin? But back on Point 4, I can guarantee that Rian was personally proud of destroying the Mona Lisa in his story, and I'm almost positive that there is the argument that "Ooohh, but it _had_ to be destroyed to ensure that Miles faced justice! Or are you saying that Andi's life was worth less than a painting?" A single crystal of that new energy source being exposed to an open flame started a chain reaction that blew up Miles' entire mansion. Unless the other Disruptors that were staking their reputations on Klear are so spineless and immoral that _this_ display doesn't convince them to tell the truth about its safety concerns, then I don't know what they were assuming would happen when it hit the market with less 'hydrogen fuel cell' and more 'hydrogen bomb.' Rian wouldn't have even needed to sacrifice his oh-so-precious 'my name mentioned in the same breath as the Mona Lisa' payoff, because Mona Lisa appearing to _watch_ _things_ is one of the most famous aspects of the painting. The painting being there and almost being exploded by a secretly-volatile energy source is news enough. Why does it need to be destroyed? And... ...wait, _how_ was it destroyed? The island's source of energy just exploded. How is the button that controls the glass still working?

[@padmanabhanvaidyanathan7182]

The more you think about this movie, the dumber it gets.

[@asbestosuser80]

Rian has the gall to destroy the Mona Lisa and then have the main character imitate her pose like she’s better than the priceless work of Art that she destroyed

[@MrQwertyman111]

That's the thing. At first glance it's not that bad of a movie, and once me and my wife finished it, I really thought to myself "meh, could have been worse". But once we started talking about what we just saw in detail, with my wife being a die-hard fan of classics like Poirot or Miss Marple, we actually had a chuckle that the onion is a symbol of the layers upon layers of spectacle to hide the bare truth. That the movie is pretty shallow and lacks cohesion when you start looking at it scene by scene. Oh well. At least the visuals are pretty nice.

[@jerryjohns5119]

It tried way too hard to be clever. And I don't know if I'm missing something, but if Miles poisoned Andi, why wasn't he petrified when her disguised twin arrived on the island? Or shocked when it was revealed to everyone that she was Andi's sister?

[@shinkaibara1025]

The fact that his drinking buddies of 10 years should have known about the allergy and thought about it at some point is the part of the plot that bugs me too, to be honest :) However, it's also fair to say that prolly they haven't been together very often in the past years and you can easily forget , especially when stressed , some details that don't really impact your life - prolly nobody of them actually saw him choke on pineapple before and everyone was focused on Miles being at the center of the murder plot. I don't really think the movie is about the legal intricacies: they are not going to back him up and risk their neck for him, that much was clear. The 'system' is broken. Also, yes, plenty would make the point you mentioned, that someone's life is indeed not worth less than a piece of artwork, no matter how extraordinary, we saw examples of that kind very recently. Not my take, but a respectable one. I don't think it makes much sense to say that there were many ways to avoid making...that point, that he wanted to make. Since no real Renaissance masterpiece was harmed in the making of this motion picture, at least let's entertain the idea . Also, it's a security system: the very modest system of my house (which admittedly does not move safety panels or anything) is battery powered and does not shut down if there's a black-out.

[@cropleyknockmealdown]

I suspect most of the Johnson apologists in the comments section liked the movie for its high production value and feel obligated to defend the plot on that basis alone.

[@DriveKnightJaden175]

The funniest part to me is how a court not discovering bribing of witnesses isn't even addressed, were there no appeals? Are we sure Ryan Johnson didn't ghost write She-Hulk?

[@adamcaldwell5646]

he didn't bribe them though. He didn't physically hand them money to lie.

[@tylerm6453]

They weren’t bribed. At least not directly. Since Miles was keeping their livelihoods afloat, they sided with him. And in a he-said she-said case, it was the word of several ppl against one

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Rian certainly is an expert at working his own Johnson.

[@hughblanc2105]

But Drinker, you maestro of masturbatory-meta-media criticism, I think you missed the deeper themes: Just like Knives Out, the killer is the MOST privileged person in the room, while the one who brings him down is the LEAST privileged, ergo, this film (like Knives Out) has a powerful message (albeit written in crayon) that "rich people be bad AND dumb... so burn the Mona Lisa" But seriously, Thanks for this Review! I thought I was going crazy, listening to people call this movie smart. I've found solace in this video, its comments section and my old friend Jimmy Beam.

[@cattysplat]

Yep this film was definitely The Message blasted on the frontpage of everyone's Netflix pages who were bored stiff of Christmas media. They managed to maximise views when people's defences were down and could source a large audience from people forced to watch something together with family.

[@AffectedArea]

Bad White people stealing from innocent Black people. Race-hate stirring grievance propaganda. The prequel to this was also anti-White, from what I've heard.

[@bruce3242]

First of you took Jennifer Lawrence out of context, she was quoting a producer from a while back and she was not saying her opinion. 1. He interrogates him once he gets there, but he can't turn him away and act extremely stand off ish considering that would look suspicious and he's not the smartest 2. They literally poked fun at the fact he didn't burn the letter..... There's a difference between having stupid things in once film Vs having jokes and irony in once film 3. What's wrong with them playing a type? That's what they do in the film "The Menu" they all play a certain type as a fun way of telling you who they are and a bit of social commentary 4. None of them look happy after the explosion they literally all sit down looking beaten down and sad 5. They didn't know she was going to blow the place up until it was too late 6. Miles did try to check if she was dead 7. Pickpocketing is a thing..... Often when your good at pick pocketing people will not notice you doing it..... 8. A bullet being stopped by a cigarete case or book with metal in it, isn't unheard of in murder mysteries and has literally happened in real life to people 9. The chilli sauce scene was setup in the film if you payed attention you would've noticed. 10. He didn't know she had the notepad in her inside jacket pocket. 11. What makes you think he is a amateur? Also there are famous detectives I couldn't mention everything, but I do believe I got most of it..... You have some good criticisms, but you have to stop giving people false information and taking things out of context and have some civil way of not liking a film and not getting so personal about it.

[@MagnificotheGreat]

5:54 I don't think I've ever seen someone arrive at the point and completely miss it like this. Maybe it's time to let go of your vendetta over a movie that came out 6 years ago.

[@FfiFfiYwFi]

Out of all the points he makes, that one is actually accurate lol

[@domchappell4775]

It's when he then starts to talk about it using the tropes of the genre, but in a different way, as part of his "this isn't subversion" spiel that gets me

[@BillPeschel]

Glad to see you mention Poirot and Marple, whose novels have formed a huge part of my life in the last decade. Johnson has been mining Christie's novels for these movies, so I'm not upset about the twins trope. But the gaping holes in logic, and the way he blatantly manipulated the Batista scene as you pointed out makes it clear that he puts a flashy veneer over trash material. That's how he gets away with it. (Oh, and shout out to Lovejoy, a favorite of mine back in the day.)

[@shinkaibara1025]

Yeah, I hope you realize that the movie did not manipulate the scene at all and Drinker is just wrong on that one XD . It's two different moments, and you can tell them apart by the twig breaking. Big fan of Lovejoy here as well tho , cheers :)

[@Mr.OrganStealer]

@leakedfootage the bots are evolving

[@hebanker3372]

He propably stole the twins idea from The Prestige.I don't think Rian Johnson reads books,because if he did,he wouldn't be that dumb.

[@9sunskungfu]

@@hebanker3372 Speaking of stealing ideas, He also stole from another movie from the late 90's, a chinese fantasy comic book turned movie called "StormRiders". He used the projection spirit from a kungfu master to show himself to his enemy until he let go and died and his body turned to dust. Rian "Ruin" johnson stole that scene and put it in the last jedi with Luke skywalker doing the same thing. That melon head ruins everything he touches.

[@hebanker3372]

@@9sunskungfu Did Stormriders also get an anime adaptation?I recall seeing more than a decade ago a very cool sword fighting anime film by the same name,about two brothers or friends following different paths and eventually fighting each other.I also remember sorcery being prevalent in that film.

[@Genarii]

I'll say this for Johnson: He has a certain style and can put together a great ensemble (who knows why). If he hired a far superior mystery writer to create the script (let Johnson create the characters if he must), he might really make something to stand the test of time. But he won't do that -- how would he inject "the message" and "subvert expectations" if he used a script written by someone talented in that art form?

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

My thoughts exactly- I would 100% be on board for a Benoit Blanc franchise with Rian at the helm as long as he stays the fuck out of the writing room. He can have as much stupid fun with the characters as he wants, as long as someone else does the mystery and the plot itself. I don't care how "shameful" it is for "someone else to do it for you" like he implied with the puzzle box and fake murder mystery in this movie, you've also already confessed to being an obnoxious unoriginal idiot with this movie, so embrace it and move on.

[@kellymoses8566]

So many good directors can't write: Rian Johnson, Zack Snyder, Neill Blomkamp

[@FirstnameLastname-yk2js]

@@kellymoses8566 part of being a good director is knowing your weaknesses. They are not good directors because they refuse to learn and are arrogant

[@roguebarbarian9133]

@@kellymoses8566 Throw Taika Waititi onto that list. You want to know the difference between the amazing Thor: Ragnarök and the underwhelming mess of Thor: Love and Thunder? Taika was only the director for Ragnarök, but the director and writer of Love and Thunder.

[@itsonlyjoecollins]

10:38 the first shot of blanc hiding behind the tree he is there alone because Andi has already moved away, stepping on a twig causing it to snap and Duke to turn around, she isn't there, the shot after is moments before the first time we see that scene

[@vinnynj78]

I wholeheartedly approve of your selection of David Suchet's incomparable version of Poirot as your visual example.

[@mikegillettify]

Agreed! Suchet is my favorite Poirot as well.

[@talithakoum3922]

Suchet is the only Poirot.

[@crystalrowan]

Amen! He's far and away the best Poirot.

[@J3335]

And Joan Hickson as Miss Marple. The defining performances for Mssr Poirot and Miss M!

[@theothersmith9570]

I took the movie as a satire and just viewed it as a deliberate send-up of tired whodunnit tropes and found it reasonably entertaining. The foiled “murder mystery” in the beginning was a cute idea. So, I enjoyed it by considering the source and then not expecting much from it.

[@BWMagus]

I don't understand why people watch movies they expect to be bad, and then say that because it was as bad as they thought, it wasn't so bad. Like, it's good to have realistic expectations, but if you think a restaurant's food is going to taste like ass, why not just eat somewhere else?

[@accountantthe3394]

@@BWMagus Same reason why people eat fast food. Is it healthy/good compared to michelin-star meals? Nope. Do you need to be invested enough? Nope. But it's convenient and sufficiently entertaining enough.

[@arandy123]

@@accountantthe3394 Yeah but fast food is at least fast and cheap. A movie is always an hour and a half of your life you can't get back so that comparison does not really work. If everyone could eat Michelin star quality food they probably would but no one needs to watch shitty movies especially when they know how terrible and stupid it is compared to something else. If all you want is to be mindlessly entertained you could probably watch almost anything but even kid's shows have plots that make sense. Things have to be judged according to the standard of what they are trying to be not what they actually become.

[@billclinton1235]

@@arandy123 but dude... No. Some people actually enjoy fast food for what it is. This movie isn't a masterpiece and I do know what good films are but it's more fun to watch than inception. My family appreciates good cinema but we're more likely to watch fun than well crafted, deep and intelligently presented movies because at the end of the day, some people want to be more entertained than compelled

[@VRDejaVu]

@@arandy123 damn, could you be more pretentious and elitist? What is wrong with people having different opinions, expectations and experiences with any given type of entertainment? And more, who are you exactly to tell how people should judge what they find entertaining or not? I swear, you anti-wokes are getting more annoying than the wokes themselves, and that is saying something!

[@TheOldMan-75]

These were by far the most superficial characters I have seen in any movie in a long time. You didn’t even need to hear any dialogue. Just seeing them for the first time gave you all there is to know about them. It’s insane how there was literally nothing beneath their shallow caricature.

[@mikeid3067]

that was the point. they were all superficial morons trying to pretend to be deep.

[@adeadpoet4221]

That's the entire point...the characters exist as exaggerations

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

@@adeadpoet4221 I guess Roundhead did his job then.

[@m.inittttt]

thats the whole point of the movie "GLASS ONION" many layers of nothing for something thats portrayed as dense n they exist in todays time hence them being used for the 2020 time era

[@grimnartusk265]

i got the vibe just from the still image of the entire cast together, that i didn't think i'd like any of them just off that first visual impression lmao. Batista the most i just an not a fan of big dudes in skin tight clothing especially lol it just looks uncomfortable as hell.

[@JakeAdkinsOfficial]

I liked this movie for a few reasons: 1. The fun of the ride despite lack of believability with these goofy characters and absurd plot 2. The aesthetic of the film as a neo noir whodunnit 3. Daniel Craig having fun 4. The idea that this opens the doors for good mid-budget, non-superhero films that could be made and be successful. Let's bring back 90s think pieces, mysteries, unconventional action movies, and group character dramas.