Which Kill Teams STAY and for HOW LONG!

[@GlassHalfDead]

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[@patrickvondersaar4836]

6 years overall and 4 years for official GW events

[@Ruggedtoaster]

It depends on when your team was launched. Commandos or Vets? Yes. But I think that later teams like jeagers or mandrakes might also be on the chopping block for the next edition as well which would give them a life span of like 4 years.

[@pads-zr9ln]

I think the ones that are 3 years old are going after this year

[@0AbsolutZero0]

It says seasons. Seasons are 12 months. Meaning the Season 1 Kill Teams only have a year of life left

[@juanndelp9649]

1 year mate.

[@vindicus]

This is like Magic the Gathering where they have constructed format where they restrict the games to specific cards from range.

[@patrik90a]

was thinking this as well

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

Worse, because it takes a lot more time and effort to build and paint mini's up than buying cards. And there isn't nearly a good enough circuit to support unofficial teams. It's not like you'll have a lot of tournaments running "modern tournaments or whatever it would be called here"

[@Nicohamcg]

@@RAINBOWBEARMAN I think its their way of transitioning KT players to 40K instead 🙃 Kinda scummy ngl And I am mostly a GW apologist 😭

[@davekarl9068]

​@@RAINBOWBEARMANCame here to say I don't paint my own fuckin Magic cards lol

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

@@davekarl9068 Thank you! lol

[@DaiquiriZ95]

It is what it is with GW. It's not the end of my world because I never go to a tourney, nor do I want to, but GW really decided to just put the ball in the communities' court. "We recommend you use ALL not classified teams at your NON-classified events", will big events care? I can't really imagine it. But hey local groups, at least, will keep chugging on and just enjoy the fact that there's so many teams they can play with! Hope more people are finding local groups though, so they can play with nary a whim because Warhammer players need to chill out (at least the ones I know)!

[@DavidVanCleef]

The Tokyo area KT scene is active, but not competitive, so classified status will probably not matter a great deal here and things will not come to a head until units start losing rules support.

[@DaiquiriZ95]

​@@DavidVanCleefTrue but thats in 3 or 4 years times. So at least we are getting, presumably, 6 year support for stuff here on out which is way better than 40k! Infinity is more than likely phasing a faction out (Tohaa) from N3 that didnt get much sales wise, so its an inevitability in every game. If we dont get a 2nd orc kill team though I will be upset, I need more boyz!

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

​​@@DaiquiriZ95 Wait Infinity is phasing a faction out?

[@DaiquiriZ95]

@@TSInfiMa-r6z Not officially, but if Tohaa gets support for N5 I think a lot of people will be surprised, models have been pulled from their stores and everything since a year or two ago.

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

@@DaiquiriZ95 Huh, so I guess GW isn't all that uniquely active in phasing things out.

[@russellcatt8250]

I feel a bit punished for trying to get into Kill Team by buying the "Starter Set". I'm done paining the Vet Guard and am just getting into painting the Orks. Learning that they are going to "Phase Out" just as I'm trying to seriously learn how to play them is a bit disheartening. Also, how long of a lag was there between the release of the original Octarius set and the Starter Set? Hopefully GW will make a Starter Set for this edition to hook in new players. Another question is how the rules changes will impact previous maps. I know Into the Dark has been called out a few times in these press releases, but will the rules for Octarius and Beta-Decima also need to be reworked?

[@BB-pn2qv]

Absolutely legitimate anger

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@russellcatt8250 from my recollection there was about 2 months between octarius and the starter set. However with leviathan and Skaventide gw got the launch box or of the way and then announced the starter sets relatively quickly. Like a month lag?

[@fredclasson7865]

I think the Octarius set was released back in 2021, and the starter set a few months later. The rules for playin a normal game will probably be in the new rules as well, I mean maybe not the "slide over debris" action, but all terrain will be usable. I never got into the walled play of Into the Dark, it just wasn't any fun in a game that only has 4 rounds of play, but I guess they need to let people who bought all of that terrain have some use of it. And remember, you can still play the game with the updated rules even if the games won't be supported in official tournaments. I haven't been to any official tournaments since 2021 myself, some local ones, but not any that would prevent certain teams and such.

[@PiterMorbid]

I have the same question as I'm looking into getting octarius terrain and there's no support for it in the new edition

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@PiterMorbid All terrain is legal, how do you mean Octarius isn't supported?

[@BradleyGriffiths-lr8of]

I'm not sure if you, or me, has misunderstood this part of the article... "For example, Kommandos will be Classified throughout the first season of the new edition. The box will leave the Kill Team range when the season comes to a close, and the Kommandos kill team will leave the Classified list. You can still enjoy playing them in all other settings except for Classified tournament play - and they will continue to receive updates (including for balance) until the end of this edition." it says the Kommandos will be un-classified when the SEASON (mentioned in the article as 12 months) comes to a close and will then leave the range. But will get rules updates for the remainder of the edition (4 seasons) I am pretty sure that the first list of classified teams will only be tournament friendly for 1 season aka 1 year.

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@BradleyGriffiths-lr8of we just have different starting points. In my view, I've already had 3 years of potential classified tournament play from Kommandos. But yes, in the NEW EDITION they only have 1 year of classified status.

[@PiterMorbid]

@@GlassHalfDeadand still they are selling new packs of it. They are selling stuff that's going to be legal for just one year

[@flak1939]

I understand why they're doing this, and that we effectively had some version of this on random timescales due to production. However, this seems to emphasize the points about new KT that I don't care for which is lack of meaningful list building and narrow team focus for available KTs (a lot of wasted stuff on random 'neat' teams, and core stuff missing such as tyranids), rather than buttress the weaknesses (campaign/custom teams/conversion fodder/etc.). In another universe, they would have evergreen teams that support basic faction stuff (like compendium but good) and bring out new KTs as flavor/limited edition sculpts where you would have core options for each 40k faction to custom build your KT, and then a rotating set of extra fluff special edition things.

[@The_Duval]

basically like warcry?

[@matheuscavalcante4857]

What you want is Necromunda...

[@flak1939]

@@matheuscavalcante4857 Probably, just don't like the setting

[@brandonransley7091]

Kind of funny how nearly everyone was excited and ready for a new edition, and with one warcom article they've managed to sour a great deal of the fanbase. I enjoy blooded, I bought the blooded kill team because I like their lore and the models. I don't want to run them as vet guard or scions or whatever new team is released, they play nothing alike and have none of the flavour that I bought blooded specificly for. This forced obsolescence will have the opposite affect GW was intending, why buy a team when GW already have plans to soft squat it in a pretty short time frame?

[@GuyWith_A_Tie]

I got into Kill Team a couple of months ago and wanted to play Raven Guard (Phobos) and Tyranids (Hive Fleet). Now I only finished painting those teams a month ago *sigh*

[@GundamReviver]

It's quite annoying some teams from the compendium are gone, honestly I'm gonna translate some of them myself for the new edition and just play them anyway.

[@jonrollason5709]

Those Raven Guard have a year of being awesome. You could potentially get 50 games in without any bother. That won't feel *horrible* value.

[@Lirretobb]

​@@jonrollason5709 or 3 years of being awesome! (Anyone who is actually a hardcore tournament player, is gonna be switching around to new hotness anyway, so naturally using Classified teams)

[@Lirretobb]

​​@@GundamReviverI like your thinking and might do this too. Just for fun games, I'm sure individually or as a community, we can arrive at KT24 versions of Hive Fleet and Talons, etc. I will want to run my 'stealers in future games, and not only as AI enemies

[@GuyWith_A_Tie]

House rules all the way, they might take our rules, but they will never take our toys

[@PottingerDesign]

I've just started playing Kill Team with my son, after finding 40k games too long for him to stay engaged with. We both play intercessors against each other as it just makes learning so much easier for us both. I've got tonnes of Imperial Guard (they are old, like me, so no NOT Astra whatever ;P ) so I'm massively looking forward to proxying them as some kind of traitor guard uprising we can purge together in co-op mode :D My take is that GW will always have some kind of standard Space Marine unit, so we'll just proxy our intercessors into whatever fits best!

[@Scott-zo9mt]

I get what they're doing and why they would want to do it,but.... My favorite team is VetGuard, and i play Hunter-Clade, Legionary, and Phobos. This hurts, and does sour the new addition

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

Honestly, I feel this is the wrong way to grow KT at the moment, on my end, I thought KT would grow complexity wise to actually USE the keyword in the bottom of every datasheet for your sub faction to matter, I thought that that WAS the plan, Nemesis claw would turn into a Legionary sub faction, as they are literally the Legionary base with an added upgrade sprue, that way they could write teams that keep the team rule while having different ploys depending on sub faction, or different team rules while keeping core stratagems. Honestly a bit bummed out with two of my KTs going out, but I am sure at least one of them (Admech) will get a replacement so, eh.

[@mali5698]

This has utterly vanquished all interest I've had in the current Kill Team system. First with the Compendium teams gone, and now with the knowledge that 3 of the teams I've been eyeing are gone within a year, and another 2 within a year after that. There's no point in even trying to get in, because they're forcing me to do more and more just to *stay* in. Yes, I understand this is for tournament play only, but I know no one in the circles and I somehow doubt everyone's going stay playing "3rd" ed when 4th comes out, in which the cycle will repeat.

[@tiberiumnp8030]

Considering how much marines lost with the Compendium (and how popular Intercession squad was), it makes sense to make a new marine team. Deathwatch is canned for good but perhaps we could mix in heavy intercessors or even phobos? Jump packs? A proper space marine kill team would be sweet.

[@shinkiro403]

Yeah, as non-competitive as it was Justian's showed it was possible

[@jasonvant7714]

Just Deathwatch compendium. Nothing says that a Deathwatch KT wont ever happen, who ever thought a Kroot KT would happen?

[@capsaicinJT]

i actually think a new deathwatch kill team box is very possible, if the old space marine teams will eventually rotate out they will want others to take their place, and with so much deathwatch stuff going to legends they want new datasheets for them for 40k as well. and the deathwatch style of many different operatives with different weapons and skills in one squad is perfect for kill team. on a related note, i also think that when they eventually redo the grey knights strike squad in new scaling, that could very possibly be a kill team release, for similar reasons

[@tomryan3768]

Looking at the theme of the first year (city fight) the Marine KT might be a chapter known for skill in urban environments

[@Sjakkel]

This decision doesn't respect all the time & effort it takes to assemble and paint all your mini's. I would say they killed KT for me, but I'm not a tourney player, so I'll stick to playing 2.0 with friends I guess.

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@Sjakkel I've seen this said a few times but... Why? Why not play your teams, which all have rules, using the new edition? And just don't buy more? This seems a very cutting off your nose to spite your face sort of thought, no? New rules are all free. Just... Don't buy into a system that you don't like three release schedule of. But you already having everything you need to play it

[@Crushanator1]

The best thing about this is that i know not to buy in, bc models with expiration dates has literally killed my interest in all GW games. I'm a hobbyist who likes building and extensively models like space marines and eldar, then painting them. the events and tournaments are a thing i do a handful of times a year. I just bought a resin 3D printer and ill be playing independent games once a year instead.

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@Crushanator1 I mean honestly, clear communication is good. It helps people make informed decisions. If this direction for kill team isn't what you want, you know now and can move on. We legitimately can't ask for anything more. Not all games are for all people and they're telling us that

[@odricthorsson8440]

At first a was angry about it, I have 9 team that would be out next year But, finally I don't really care. I'm honest with myself, I don't have the skills or the time to go at those big events So this change nothing for us, keep playing what you like with your friends or at small events near your home

[@Yannic1982]

I think this was needed given the huge number of teams we have already. Some of my favourite teams are from year 1 and I still want to build a Krieg team. But I'm fine with this qnd at least there clear about it beforehand. I'm sure there will be plenty of guard teams in the new edition and I can allways repurpose my older models as Necromunda models. I do hope we get a official custodes team though!

[@enricotonon6633]

Got into Kill team a couple of months ago, my teams so far are Kommandos, Veteran Guardsmen, and Phobos. Pray for me brothers

[@heiroglyph69]

in the same boat, i only have vet guard right now🙏

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

sorry for your loss.

[@Lirretobb]

I'll pray for you in just over 3 years' time!

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

@@Lirretobb Well not 3 years for some of those teams.

[@Lirretobb]

@@RAINBOWBEARMAN yes, all of them. Just not for certain tournaments. If we believe what was written, all will get balance updates *throughout* the life of the new edition

[@Steve_Keen]

They've edited the article to include the asterisk: "* Of course, many of the units will live on in the Warhammer 40,000 range"

[@anophelesnow3957]

That has to be the case as It'd be just weird to get rid of many of the models. Why would they want to discontinue making Chaos Legionaries, for example? You wouldn't get very far making a Black Legion army without them, they are a staple. Similarly, the Death Korps are part of the 2025 IG promotion, so those models can't be going away. It's a bit weird. I'm glad some aren't going away - I have a Dark Eldar army in 40k, and I'm still waiting to get the Mandrakes as a sole unit, I don't want nor need the rules and the Night Lords in the box.

[@Lirretobb]

​​@anophelesnow3957 noting that for 3 factions you mention (Guard, Legionaries, Hand of Archon) it would be easy to revert to versions without upgrade sprues. (I can't predict if GW would think incl / excl those mini sprues is the best idea...)

[@Nicohamcg]

"STOP PLAYING KT! PLAY 40K INSTEAD!"

[@thebattleofpelennorfieldsp6081]

It's another way of saying Compendium teams are dead in Kill Team.

[@nicholassmith7984]

When you look at the sprues for some of the teams, it's clear that there's an intention to release a 'simplified' version at some point in 40k (i.e. without all the specialist operative bits.)

[@Ruggedtoaster]

I mean I get what they are trying to do and it does sound like a better idea than legends, but we will have to see how it shakes out.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

How is this better than legends? Maybe I am missing something?

[@Ruggedtoaster]

@@RAINBOWBEARMAN they are and I will caveat this with “at this time” promising to update the teams that wouldn’t be concealed tournament legal which is more than what legends gets. It gives the impression that your teams will continue to be playable and valid for other tournaments but they will focus on newer teams and hopefully keep the balance for the main tournament events manageable without abandoning the older teams. But we will have to see how that gets implemented before before making any conclusions.

[@sinisterplank3113]

I personally miss list building, but I am 100% in support of a quick to pick up, one box and play style game. It's going to help me recruit people to play with locally.

[@GlassHalfDead]

@@sinisterplank3113 no one misses list building more than me! It was the bread and butter of my content. I loved it. I think kill team is a lesser game for its loss. But when I realised kill team was a system without list building, I just kind of had to... Leave or get over it 🤷‍♂️

[@andraskovacs5431]

I saw this a literal hour after finaly ordering the Vet guard - Ork kommando starter box.

[@BB-pn2qv]

I HATE this "change" of some amazing teams and models being forced out into this legends BS. I love everything about the new edition, but then they pull this crap like in 40K and AOS, right after I lost my whole faction, death watch too.

[@tomryan3768]

Stormcast have entered the chat. (Seriously, this is a much better plan than what both AoS and 4Ok deal with every 3 years)

[@crackedConstant]

Is kill team even alive in 4-6 years? Ye it's fine to rotate out older teams. At some point it will be impossible to balance old teams against the new teams. In theory they can just re-release Kommandos as Kommandos-but-another-thematic-name-2.0 to fit that seasons meta if they really want to keep that type of team.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

This is exactly what they are going to do. Kommandos dies in Season 2 and you will 100% see another Ork team to take it's place.

[@DaedalusShard]

Orks will literally have nothing in a year if they don't replace them, which would be a huge mistake.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

@@DaedalusShard the rumor has been - and it's just a rumor but that there is already a new ork team in the works.... and this is why i mean by recycling teams. killing off some tournaments teams just to have you buy new orks.

[@Crushanator1]

Kill team will have died and been rereleased 2 times in the next 6 years. That's the model, buy a big new core box every 3 years, buy new models bc your old ones expire

[@technicaldisasters]

Never played KT, but I planned to with this edition. Is it not possible to proxy the old Ork team for the new Ork team? Genuine question.

[@AceEclipseRL]

Literally just bought the starter set so I could main komandos with a side of guard. Haven’t even put it together yet and James Workshop says nah fam, you buyin them vespids.

[@AceEclipseRL]

Brain rot aside. The collector part of me kinda hates this. But there is no effin way I’m going to buy all these teams much less play with them in a tourney. 4 years is more than enough warning ahead of time to let you pick up a main comp team or two.

[@MrStratofish]

Depends if you want to use them in tournaments. For those of use not doing tournaments "classified" means absolutely nothing and both current starter set teams are good for the next 3 seasons then all kt21 teams will be dropped

[@adambarlev8992]

Those are both great sets of models... I enjoyed building them and I'm sure you will too

[@MrStratofish]

I'm fairly new to Kill Team, have no compendium teams and couldn't give a toss about tournaments so for me this article says "your teams are good for another 3 years" 👍 I would be interested to know what percentage doesn't regularly take part in tournaments though, surely it has got to be pretty high?

[@Marc_4]

Same for me. I don't care about classified tournaments at all and only play Kill Team with friends.

[@jonny_leach]

Happy with the idea of the new edition. I am pumped for the solo play as I often get bits of hobby time without an opponent (kids are asleep etc).

[@jonathanmarquiss2435]

This is way better then last time; you still have your teams and for those who play in the tournaments, I doubt every tournament is going to be Classified in a years time anyway. So keep playing what you have, you've got a year before any major changes anyway.

[@TemurKing1]

Variety is the spice of life and people like to express themselves through there teams so. I am hoping that TOs continue to allow all teams so people can play what they vibe with. Also gets a little frustratng going to events and seeing tonnes of the top teams/the latest hotness which i think having all teams in would reduce not just on volume because people still play the best teams/latest hotness but gives more opportunities for anti meta picks to catch people of gaurd. I want it to be the wild west out here.

[@Riddler_von]

It’s saying if you don’t care about what KZbin says then you just play for fun. Wow crazy idea

[@readylockenroll]

classified:tourney play is about all people will play with because people will want to get practice with and against that over declassified or legends.

[@bargeryfamily]

Spitballing is a rancid phrase. Thanks for the chat Andy, I cleaned my desk up while listening. I'm just waiting for it to stop raining then I can burn all my compendium teams. 😂watch for the flames🔥🔥

[@Lirretobb]

Very smart... before GW have to kick down your door and confiscate them, you mean? 😉

[@GlassHalfDead]

It's been raining solidly for 2 days. It's so depressing!

[@sadis72]

I just wanted to play death guard, and for those about to comment.. No.. legionary kill team is not the same as a death guard kill team and No.. keeping miniatures you bought in the last year or two just to have them be NPO’s are not good enough. But we all expected it, GW really does hate their 40K consumer base.

[@Hamsammich111]

We knew death guard were out before this article. This article has 0 relevance to death guard.

[@sadis72]

@@Hamsammich111 your comment has no relevance lol what did you just say that was breaking news? Nothing lol regardless of when death guard was known to be leaving has nothing to do with the relevance and correctness of my comment lmao. Go outside nerd, no one here has time for your worthless chime in’s.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

Thank you! Exactly.

[@sadis72]

@@Hamsammich111 Your response has zero relevancy as seeing it doesn’t matter how long we knew about DG leaving, my point stands and is an accurate and a valid statement. Your opinion sucks lmao.

[@ChaseTheChamp11]

Like you I am waiting for my Custodes team, but other wise, this update does not surprise me anyway.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

I am as well. But even if they release a Custodes team a year from now, I am not buying into it. It'll be dead in 3 years or less.

[@jimmymarcusmunk4848]

I wish they had a 2 year format that they could actually keep balanced. This is just too many teams for a healthy, balanced meta to happen.

[@tomasv8732]

Why is anyone surprised by this? They need to keep selling new teams, the roster is too big already, some need to get wiped. This is gw that's what they do.

[@tempusavatar]

Thanks for the video. This is an interesting move considering two pieces of information: considering a) how successful the adoption of Ocatarius & the Starter set worked as an install base and therefore how many players have those teams and b) there's a plan to do a big 40K rollout of DKoK, and they make a declaration that there is a 'phasing out' of DKoK and Kommandos on the horizon. It seems like they better have something to replace them forthwith (like the new Stormcast replaced the old Stormcast models) or they risk alienating a sizable player base.

[@solarupdraft]

As a magic player, I'm already used to playing what I want to play with my friends and ignoring official rotation.

[@infinitedm5396]

"You could proxy your models" Always this. At the end of the day, hobby and have fun. :)

[@thebattleofpelennorfieldsp6081]

Raging Heroes here we come!

[@fransaacs]

Couldn't agree more. I've been casually bashing marine sprues this year making pieces for a squad of Blood Ravens; intended for use with anything from Strike Force Justian to Nemesis Claw, hopefully some models might just fall under the purview of this 'Angels of Death' faction. Not long to wait now.

[@danielc-s8056]

I love the new sculpts but i also really miss being able to pick and choose 40k minis to build a killteam.

[@DavidVanCleef]

Technically there _WAS_ an Angels of Death Kill Team, but it was a one-off for a WH+ battle report video in 2021 and never actually released to the general public.

[@psz5515]

They will still get balance updates so i think the only thing it changes is that tournament players will have to learn new teams instead of playing kommandos for the fourth year and that they won't have to learn how to play against 50 teams but a roster of around 30.

[@demarek]

They will only get balanced updates for 2 editions. It is just a scam to force you to buy new minis every year or two.

[@psz5515]

@@demarek not true. They will get updates until the new edition which is probably in 4 years. You're mistaking seasons with editions, read the article again. The first category will be available in high level tournaments for one year, the second category for two years. All of them will get balance updates for the whole EDITION (not season and not year). This whole article only matters for high level tournament players which is like 1% of the playerbase. They say they still encourage normal players to use these models in normal tournaments and leagues for the whole edition (around 4 years)

[@demarek]

@@psz5515 dude, if you want to spend money on minis that will become obsolete in 4 years (and semi obsolete in 2) then go right ahead. I am going to pass.

[@psz5515]

@@demarek They dont become obsolete because im not playing in GW's tournament either way. And even if they don't get rules in the next edition which we don't know yet, I'll still have my painted models to look at

[@demarek]

@@psz5515 have fun then. Not for me.

[@BarcelPL]

Angels of Death will be new name for Intercession Squad? Or something new entirely? And what about Strike Force Justian?

[@fransaacs]

Hoping the two factions get folded in together with further additional rules for jumpack assault units too.

[@RowdiesFan1]

I'll happily play KT21 for a long time. It's a fun game and there's tons of teams I don't own. I can walk away with that edition and have a fun experience forever with what I got. Have fun with KT24 to those converting over!

[@brennonr]

this video has maybe the greatest dismount of all time, 5 stars would recommend

[@DnoFM]

I think it's ok. I would prefer a new compendium rather than no compendium. But I neverr played in tourneys, so I only care about casual and spec ops. We still have no info about spec ops. Looking forward to this information. With their huge array of changes they might forget to improve on those longer styles of game. Hopefully, that won't be the case.

[@derricksmith8354]

I'm trying to be optimistic about it and maybe that means that in about 6 years, there will be a new kommandos model refresh. However some of the smaller, niche factions, like the void scarred that I play most, not sure where they will go unfortunately.

[@antoniojimenezcastillo2034]

It's weird to me they included Phobos or Kommandos. They are fun to play and "competitive". Vet Guard was expected. It is even weirder you buy a box which needs additional reinforcements to properly work. Other boxes like Legionaries or Pathfinders always seemed like Compendium-adapted Kill Teams, anyway.

[@sleepyshamanbryan9536]

I played the original Kill Team and really liked it, a lot of the stuff from the current edition frustrated me, and not being able to use teams I built annoyed me enough to not get into it. With some of the new changes I was looking at giving this new edition a shot but a lot of the teams I would be interested in not being fully legal after a year from now... It really makes me rethinking if I want to try.

[@Axiom125]

While the cycling of teams feels really bad at least it wasn't such a change that I couldn't use my old teams at all with the new addition. I only play casually with friends and we've been talking about if we were even going to get the new edition. Still need to see how some of it turns out but knowing all the teams will be going forward for at least this next edition is good. I'm interested in the new Solo/Co-op stuff too! EDIT: And thank you GHD for these videos, you're the only KT channel I frequent and I don't go to the GW site much so I get most of my news from your awesome videos!

[@JimCrimmins]

Simply feels like a rotation system for tournament play like many other games. It's hard to balance everything so they rotate out older stuff regularly now. As I don't play tournaments it won't affect me at all.. And I'm mostly psyched about a solo option where I can play literally any team forever

[@auggjl]

I have very little time to dedicate to the hobby and, although there seems to be a lot of exciting stuff in the new edition, I'm not sure I'll follow the pace and might just stick to the current edition of KT for the 3-4 casual games I manage to do a year with my children

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

Even worse if you don't have any casual people to play with. I get 5 times a year or less (often less) to play.

[@axanax2534]

I never have high hopes for any GW game, so everything here seems on point.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

Man it's depressing.

[@no_cool_names]

As long as they fix the cover vs. obscure rules, I'll be happy.

[@capsaicinJT]

khaine will not forget this attack on the honor of my eldar brothers and sisters

[@GlassHalfDead]

Typical Eldar. Always looking to the past. It's why your race is dying!

[@capsaicinJT]

@@GlassHalfDead maybe we'll just put gorillaman back to sleep then!

[@AsparagusX]

Agree with your assessment, glass. Looks like they are encouraging use of all teams for most tournaments with a subset running only classified teams. Looks like they are trying to de-emphasize the ultra competitive (no legends allowed) type of play

[@foreverfornever1124]

What really has me concerned is what exactly Angels of Death means. Its obviously no longer just Intercessors anymore which could mean they are either adding onto the Interecession roster with other marines, or creating a Strike Justian clone with random marines. Either way Im glad I didnt actually didnt complete the Intercession KT and now can wait and see whats up with that one.

[@pbutch217]

Being married to a faction or two is my issue with this. The kill team release schedule doesnt follow a logical pattern like 40k codexes and can appear random at times. While i somewhat follow the competitive scene and very occasionally play in events the main reason i play is representing cool battles in the 40k setting using factions I'm a fan of. For example when legionaries go, if they were replaced with say a Veterans of the long war team of chosen with an upgrade sprue I'd be all for it, but they are just as likely to disappear all together.

[@TheEr910]

I just play casually so this news is fine with me. Now I can know what teams to prep. I am downsizing my collection.

[@goreshadetube]

I had wanted to start a Grey Knights team with the new edition so I’m disappointed. But maybe they’ll do a bespoke Grey Knight team some time in the future.

[@nolader28]

I want power armor sisters

[@adityam7866]

Feels bad since I just got into veteran guard and just built pathfinders. I guess i have a head start for krieg army once that drops

[@Kodalith]

All I want to know is if Justian and Intercession is making the jump. If not then I want to get on a new team project now. So I'm all set for the new edition at launch.

[@kerrrobin]

I bought KT last year with the "Starter Set", then bought another box of Vet Guard of course becasue double box teams are awesome (MSTB!). Vet Guard and Orks "going away" in the new edition is not a big deayl for me, I guess there will be other "Imperial Guard" teams I can use the modesl in, there will be another Orky team where the Kommandos will be usable, and if not, no-one is stopping you play the earlier edition rules AND I am not going to be playng instore or at a competition, CASUAL FTW!

[@nickrafuse984]

I'm sure 100 people have said this but it's basically adding Underworlds Championship mode to kill team. drawing a very clear line and saying "for the most balanced and competitive experience, use this" I also agree... if you're a faction player, this is going to hurt. if you're an elites player, this is going to hurt...

[@greydeathangel]

I understand that GW wants to do this for balance in tournaments, or more accurately more money, but it still is hard on me for the losses that losing the compendium has already done (Deathwatch main, Sisters of Battle). Sounds like they plan on letting us play with all the teams on the list here, but not in tournaments (not a big deal since I don't play in tournaments and most of the folks that I play against play narrative style games). I'm just really curious as to what the "Angels of Death" team is, might just be the intercession squad OR it could be why we had some interesting marine models in the articles for Co-op that they've put out (take a look at the marine in tacticus armor with a modded boltrifle and wearing a cloak)...

[@arianmoore4474]

Not all but a fair few of even the bespoke teams are just effectively upgrade sprues. While you can't buy the upgrade sprue in most cases its pretty easy to kitbash from other GW or third party models for parts.

[@mattmfjaynes]

Just starting to get into kill team, and have been taking in a lot of info on rules, armies, etc. mainly as a cheaper starting point for 40k. I love Infinity, but GW is way easier to purchase in my area, and I love my LGS. So this doesn’t matter to me too much, besides I really like the look of the Veteran Guardsman and would love to have them as one of my 1st teams. I think my games store still has one or two of the starter boxes with them in it, and I’d like to get it after watching one of your intro to kill teams vids. Thanks for all the tips, and should I wait till Hivestorm?

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

IIRC, Intercession got dropped on WarCom right before the release of ItD, so it would make sense they’d be categorized as S2.

[@masonbrilliantba]

Glad to see more than one T'au Team on there.

[@auracle6184]

I'm ok with these changes, but I do hope the teams that get released this edition address the distinct lack of certain factions. Multiple Generstealer Cult and Votann teams but no Tyranids is very weird. They clearly have the ability to design unique and interesting teams.

[@Avera9eWh1teShark6]

I am completely unsurprised at the Death Korps change. With the range refresh incoming in 2025 I was wondering what they were doing to do with the kill team. But as someone who uses heavily customized Cadian and Catachan proxies, even going so far as to scour ebay for the old metal model of the Catachan demo man, I wonder what will replace Vet Guard. I can (and do) use him for Kasrkin as well, but it'd be a shame if there was no replacement. That was the benefit to the team being Veteran Guardsman and not Death Korps Veterans: you didn't need to keep them as Krieg if you didn't want to.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Warcry is going to get the same treatment next year too.

[@Zabzim]

I already knew my preferred team would go to legends. I was just hoping that I might see a teaser for the release a new kill team for my preferred faction.

[@capnbrunch9612]

Its handled way better than the recent AOS pruning that is for sure. And it will make the tourny scene more healthy and competative, balancing half the teams is better for the designers and judges. and from what i gather you ultra competative bois werent taking most of these teams anyway.

[@heads2gether]

This makes me think i should build my kommandos and death korps

[@Riddler_von]

They were always the vet guard and technically you could use them as jungle dudes or anyone else

[@ronbaugh2641]

Kind of feel GW is doing a little cleanup. The older teams were designed without the new abilities and people are going to need to switch up some models. Easier to make up new lists then convert the old rules to new. Also need to buy more models to be competitive and convert to the new look or rules. New squads for new terrain. Flying for the new layout. Maybe something for jungles or forest so need Catchan squad.

[@ArborRails]

So KT will become like MtG's Standard format where everything just rotates out? Lol, okay GW.

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

So much worse than that. It takes way more time and effort to build a kill team than in magic. And there will be little to no support for teams that aren't in current rotation. It's way worse.

[@ArborRails]

@@RAINBOWBEARMAN Maybe I'm not understanding correctly but it sounds like some of the teams that had their own box are not getting any support going forward?

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

@@ArborRails If it had a box it's getting support casually for 6 years. Some of those teams have 1 year tournament support left. some oft hose teams have 2 years left. The new teams should have about 4 years of tournament support. If you do not play tournaments then you can expect support for all those teams - minus compendium - for about 6 years. If they keep their word and update the rules.

[@ArborRails]

@@RAINBOWBEARMAN Good news for this Deathwatch and Tyranids player! Lol

[@mrcrossbro7741]

just finished my kommandos, hope i can finish my ad-mech before they get cut

[@d-rex7043]

If you want transparency around the longevity of models in the game, then they have to draw the line somewhere. I think four years sounds reasonable, and that's coming from someone with plenty of unbuilt teams that will shuffle off, before too long. It's good they didn't just wipe a load of stuff at the outset - I'm not including compendium in that, since they were already essentially just valid Legends, at this point. Now, having got transparency, we have people outraged over their particular (in many cases) one squad.

[@Phox-VF]

Sigh my Komandos, my Starstriders... guess I need a new killteam to rep

[@MrKakemann1]

I think I speak for most of us, but from now on if the "double-hello" sound effect doesn't work, you have too hum it. 😂

[@r_4_k-drone4321]

Idea is ok, teams rotation is obviously money grab, but also a way to maintain healthy number of teams to balance (without rotation it would grow and grow). My problem is with naming convention - while I understand that "legends" has bad connotations, and they couldn't go for "casual" for obvious reasons, it would be very wh40k-ish to say "sanctioned". That way we would be using "sanctioned" teams in tournaments, and all teams outside them. Also, since compendium teams are gone, it creates a big gap in factions representation. While we have tons of human and eldari teams, we are going to need: (soon into edition) - tyranid team - daemons team - custodes/sisters of silence - grey knights (year deep into edition) - sisters of battle - orks - some form of tau - imperial guard team - some form of ad-mech If I were betting man, I'd say custodes and IG are most likely to be released soon, custodes being likely Cavil's amazon show and IG having their wh40k codex release..

[@jamesclarke5331]

I guess it's easier to balance a bespoke boxset of units rather than all the variables you get in 40k

[@calikingsos]

Andy When I first started playing Kill Team, I didnt really care for your videos. I thought they were boring.. But at some point things changed. I like your content now.

[@calikingsos]

Also I have to support a fellow bald battle brother....

[@alternatebanana3670]

My gaming group is about to finish a 2 year D&D campaign, and we've been considering Warhammer as our next time/money waster. Several are highly reluctant and/or unavailable and/or can't afford normal 40k, so Kill Team was very appealing to us for obvious reasons. I'm fortunate enough to have the income for normal 40k, so I started buying into Tyranids before learning about Kill Team. Then I found out they had only "Hive Fleet" compendium team as an option. Not being familiar with GW practices, even after listening to Poorhammer for a summer, I thought I was safe. You might think that means I'm upset about having spent $$$ on Tyranids just to find out I might not ever be able to play them, and now doubly true for KT. I'd say I'm 35% upset. Given the trends others are noting, I'm optimistic that a proper bug KT will appear in the future, but until them I'm left stranded figuring out how to get into this game while being wise with my cash.

[@left_Dane_right_Dane]

As long as they keep the rules updated to balance with other teams, I'm not bothered. I have a hard time seeing that happen, but I hope I am wrong. I just want to play my teams with my friends and have balanced rules so we can have good games.

[@rdesmarais2]

Shouldnt Tempestus Aquilons and Vespid Stingwings (along with Future teams that season be classified for year 3 as well?

[@RAINBOWBEARMAN]

Who knows. Come year 3 I would imagine that those 2 teams will be in. But some of those season 2 deads will be dead. so who knows what you are going to lose or how long you are going to have with your team

[@motokokusanagi1172]

There will be power creep, 80% chance. We shouldn't focus on 4 years+2 years too much. When the 4th edition drops in late 2027 nobody will care about updating those teams that are no longer classified. It will be 4+2 years only for veteran guardsmen+kommandos in my opinion. Eg SM vs Blooded were released in may 2022 in Moroch, separate boxes in September 2022 and they rorate out in 1 year from now - so 3 years in total. Factions from Into the dark got lucky as it was released in September 2022 as well.

[@TronsTableTop]

Surely they should term the teams de-classified once they get removed from "classified" play

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Classified Hello! I totally expected this. I hope there are legends rules for every team (cough Justian cough)

[@earnestwanderer2471]

It’s interesting that the vast majority of Old World tournaments are completely ignoring GW’s dictates and allowing the renegade factions.

[@ant6227]

I don't like it. There's lots of more effective ways I think they could manage this but most of them involve not introducing $1000 of new KT product every year and ultimately that's not something GW is going to do because it's much easier for them to get you to buy more than for them to bring in new players. I don't like having to know how 30 kill teams work anymore than GW likes balancing them but ultimately if there isn't a team that excites me the way Kommandos do in a years time I won't be playing the game in a years time.

[@omidtabrizi-e2z]

Oh wow I was just about to get into kill team and buy the starter pack and Phobos guess I can take it off my cart and play domething else

[@GarredHATES]

I’m used to this as a Pokemon TCG player

[@karlpower5476]

This is such a bad time for a new guy to KT like. So much information and it's a bit hard to clarify if i should buy a kill team faction and its associated rulebook. I like to have the book overall.

[@fredclasson7865]

Unless the new Kill Team rules bring something really new, I will probably keep playing the old version for a while longer. I mean, we will finally have a game considered balanced without new teams being added that end up being nerfed the next month.

[@CastironWhisky]

"losing teams" if you play tournaments with the classified rules... Other than that you're good to go. I'm also hoping that some of the new teams are fun redos of compendium teams.