Will Outside Brands Wake Up The MTB Industry? | GMBN Tech Show 350

[@gmbntech]

What do you think of outside brands entering the bike industry? Let us know your thoughts

[@phearnden]

More brands = more people innovating and developing mtb’s always a good thing

[@newttella1043]

If outside brands can make better ebikes than major bike brands, then let them call out the industry for over charging for cheap electronics.

[@feedbackzaloop]

Big brands are such not much because of their expertise, but robust procurement and manufacturing, also strong financial backing. Each company mentioned can - if not overthrow the big players - strongly shake up the bike market. Yet they choose to keep it as a side hobby type of project. So let them test the waters to remind us what shallow puddle we are actually in.

[@anthracitemafia]

Keeps prices competitive. Pass on the DJI stuff until it is proven. Question is at what point do you just buy a battery powered motorcycle…lol

[@elononoras1902]

There is Husqvarna, there is GasGAs, there is... the list is becoming infinitely endless.

[@shaneycarter8803]

I've just confirmed my order and paid deposit for the New Amflow PL. Been watching carefully all the reviews and information. Can't wait, due before Christmas, hopefully it's as good as the hype. Xx axs T type transmission and axs reverb with ultimate code stealth brakes ready and waiting to fit 👍👌😁

[@metalTriumph]

what size did you choose and what do you usually ride? I ride an L canyon spectral, but the Amflow seems much smaller in the same size. Ive ordered an XL but might go L

[@shaneycarter8803]

@@metalTriumph I ordered size large. All my other bikes are around 480mm reach. The 500mm reach of the XL is a bit long for my preference at 178cm height. The chainstay length at 445 is perfect for me also. Hope this helps mate. Have you had any news on eta? Was advised anytime between Oct and Dec. Can't wait 👍

[@metalTriumph]

@@shaneycarter8803 thanks for the insight - im 6'2 186cm and the recommendations for L (170-185cm) and XL (175-191) means i could go either. My canyon has 485mm reach (L) and its prefect for me.

[@shaneycarter8803]

@@metalTriumph mmm, I think at a lofty 6ft 2 I'd go XL. You could always swap out the stem to reduce the reach by 10mm if needed pal 👍

[@iamcliffordwells]

I’m excited with the technology of the Amflow. I look forward to see the technology move to other bike platforms. It would also to develop a drone to pair with the bike to filming and terrain mapping back to the rider.

[@NordicPass]

I'm absolutely stoked about getting my fingers in the new AMFLOW/DJI mountain bike! My old Trek Fuel EX 5 has been patched up so many times, it's practically on its last ride. But guess what? The AMFLOW/DJI has just entered the scene, and it's got me totally hyped! I'm convinced that this is the bike of my dreams, and I can't wait to get my hands on it! By the way, I recently completed the last 35 km with a flat tire using the Victoria airliner inside. I encountered no issues at all. My average speed on the bike lane heading home was 16 km/h.

[@tonkshred]

That bike looks great look forward to buying a used one next year if they hold up 😮 or like 4 years and making one off ali express instead. 😊

[@felixduprey]

Can't wait to get one of those DJI bikes...

[@MrT08031970]

Amflo looks great 🙂

[@smoothisfast6644]

Integrating a bike computer into the top tube is a no-brainer. I believe GMBN discussed this three or four years ago.

[@davidtomasetti8520]

I wonder if DJI could get their bike to talk to my drone to follow it.

[@sd5458]

This is a phenomenal step for DJI. Where some see "just another bike in the market" no. This is pushing eMTB to where it should have been 3 years ago but the big OEMs not only don't have this experience or coding abilities (software or hardware), but they chose to milk the market through covid. Put it this way: DJI have to pivot. GoPro didn't and they got left in the dust by Insta. Insta is now being surpassed by other companies and cheaper. Auto power selection, hill hold assist - this is the future. DJI is choosing to pivot instead of die on the vine and I for one welcome new entrants, especially when they push the market ahead.

[@UpHillWill]

Yes! Sometimes it takes outside the box thinking to shake things up a little.

[@skellener]

Doubt we’ll see the DJI bike here in the US anytime soon. US govt is not a fan of DJI at the moment.

[@baekmedier]

I think the most important thing about the E-bikes is to make them not look like an E-bike. DJI with their new motor is almost the ansewer I think. We just need to be able to hide the screen if we want.

[@semadragun]

The airliners are only for 29" 😭😢🥺LOVE this show..oh happy 350th Tech Show segment! 👋🦾

[@mnswamp]

It will be interesting to see how the DJI ban impacts their bike efforts. DJI *drones* are already banned in some places (like Arkansas). Will bike components be included?

[@YongPark-g3h]

That is Act 525. That's about Chinese manufactured 'drones'. It doesn't specifically say 'DJI'. Bikes should be fine. Most of bikes in the US are manufactured in China anyway.

[@sd5458]

YongPark-g3h exactly and very little oversight over ebikes and batteries right now as it is.

[@benhowe1241]

Does it have nanobots that will clean my bike after my ride? What about obstacle avoidance sensors so there's no chance I'll ever wrap myself around a tree again? Does it come with a lid that links me to the bike like the Borg, such that every conceivable setting on the bike is adjusted to my weight and skill level? If not, I'll just go ahead and spend the same money on the van I need to lug my (analogue) MTBs around. That said, if it can do what Elliott's BMX did in ET, I'm getting one. No, I'll get two so they can talk to each other in the garage when I'm not around.

[@manefin]

I'll just go ahead and spend the same money on the van I need to lug my (analogue) MTBs around.

[@winekidohio]

Hey I've been watching your videos for years now. I love all the content. I would like to request some more reviews or discussion of budget bikes. I am 50 live in Colorado and I have two kids and a wife. Not easy to spend loads on gear.

[@mikeburgh3956]

I believe the 1 yous reviewed is the top of line 9K bike! That's $11,742 insane!!

[@kbs6968]

The motor and range is the biggest thing that interests me with amflo, I’m over 100kg and it sounds like in trail mode it will be a lot more range than a current Bosch powered bike in Emtb mode, so opens up big days out with out the thought of buying a spare battery to take with you

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

New manufacturers like dji and mgu pioneers pinion, drive development and competition in the mtb world, which gives us greater choice. But sometimes greater choice makes choice difficult.

[@grantnewby3756]

You are so right, new players see things that the long term brands don't. Fresh ideas and fresh approach to take us forward. Drive trains are a big problem for more powerful motors.

[@grantnewby3756]

With all that power, it would ideally suit a match-up with Pinion and an MGU setup. Chains and Cassettes will get destroyed and cost a mint over time.

[@rgeniec]

DJI is like Tesla. 5-10 years ahead. First principles design. I rode the Amflow. Really nice.

[@ovialop1]

I think 6500€ is a pretty ok price for the newest tech like that… i watch for a ebike for a few months now, and now i don‘t see why i should pay the same price or much more to buy a other brand with way older tec.. i really think about ordering one..

[@vainparasite]

I think the amflow bike will do similar to what the original honda fireblade did to the sports bike world. Everything from now on will be lighter and more powerful 😊👍

[@notlemcram]

You missed the specialized stump jumper15 alloy release in the news today!🎉

[@niner8tangojuliet149]

Build a bike with mechanical shifting, external routing, and non-assisted drive train and I’m in.

[@cristiifrim9418]

Get a GeoMetron 😉😉

[@billybennett4203]

I think it’s great. But will it be affordable for the average person.

[@justinbass-s4x]

DJI will have a ripple effect, some people will now pause on a purchase and hold until Amflow has some history. This pause will be tough for the resellers, big discounts on current tech but then we could quickly see a leap forwards by the other major brands. Interesting times ahead. For me its a pinion with DJI, lets see what happens!!

[@drumbrakes]

@askgmbntech In that photo with the Dave's Chain Device, what is the bit hanging out the back with a spring? It looks familiar, but I can't quite recall the name!

[@JoelZieve]

What's that oil box called? Anna's UK accent is leaving me empty with Google searches for it.

[@WilliamKennedy-g5k]

Me too. Oil Box What?

[@DingbatToast]

Oil box two It was a one-off 3d printed. So not a product name really

[@JoelZieve]

@@DingbatToast thanks! So not available for purchase?

[@nuttynut722]

DJI kinda proof that how overprice and technologically dated the bicycle industrial compare to auto industrial

[@WilliamKennedy-g5k]

That yellow chain gizmo is Oilbox CHL. Couldn't make out the pronunciation.

[@noControl556]

I like the concept of using your phone for any kind of screen on an ebike. I prefer the bitke itself to not have and not need any kind of screen just some basic led for key information like which ride mode you are in and what the battery level is. I don't want a giant screen on my bike all the time that can be damaged nor do I want a tiny screen that needs complex menus. It's easy enough to use a phone mount or some other GPS mount etc. if I need that kind of functionality then pop it off when I don't.

[@dank3823]

I'm not too big on making big tech on mountain bikes. I honestly don't feel pedal bikes have reached their pinnacle.

[@perperssoneckerstrom1395]

Sounds cool, but at the end of the day, I can ride my bike during long power outages. ;o)

[@iansingleton]

DJI (Da Jiang) A Chinese company! Why aren't we slating this like we do the majority of other Chinese brands? Cos they make good drones? 🤔 It's just a sign of the times. Chinese brands are pushing the boundaries! And why not? I think a lot of western brands have ripped us off for too long! I have DJI drone, it, the camera and software are fantastic, if their Ebikes are just as well made it'll be a game changer. I think longevity will be key, how does this bike perform long term!

[@NoamSoreke]

Dji makes awesome cameras. Using the Osmo Action 4!

[@fortesfortunajuvat6782]

When bike manufacturers finally figure out that it isn't what they want to sell but, that it's what customers can afford and want to buy then, and only then, will the mtn bike industry turn around.

[@IGGY1969]

At the risk of sounding like a luddite, more electronic tech on a bike = more stuff to go wrong. Especially in the wet.

[@snowman22ism]

That's what happened with cars... Now they are trying to kill analog bikes.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

We have covered how less tech can be more - for your local terrain - in a Tech show topic a few weeks back - so no your not a luddite - Although I've no idea what Ned Ludd - mythical or not - would make of chain driven bikes - but yes MTB is broad - we do try to cover a wide range - we chatted in the past about some great simpler tech MTB's from the Racy Orbea Alma available with a rigid fork to Rigid specific bikes from brands like Tumbleweed. Great to hear / read your insights - what bike are you running now? do you have a single speed for winter - would be great to know! Cheers Owen

[@IGGY1969]

@@OwenBikeNerd Hi I've got a Kona Blast hardtail, Nukeproof Scout & Reactor. Don't have s ingle speed. I fully expect that belt driven bikes are on the way, and gearboxes. I'd just rather keep it simple. I'm and service engineer in my job so i see first hand what happens when things are over engineered & over complicated. Also randomly I've just been reading today about the luddites & Ned Ludd. Cheers.

[@flybyguy1450]

Anyone know if the vittoria xc air liner light would fit a 24mm inner width rim? It says down to 25mm, but 1mm cant make that big a difference, can it?

[@StantonWarrior4]

I’d imagine at worst it’ll make mounting the tire a little bit trickier. Or at absolute worst surely you could trim it down by a few mm if it was a problem.

[@newttella1043]

I would say "yes" and you should! 24mm rim could use the protection especially if you want lower tire pressures.

[@FunctionFIVE]

A neuron is a nerve cell, probably one of the cooler sepcialized cells

[@vanderhovenhaven]

DJI eBike. Soon we will be able to just sit on a couch and the bike can ride it's self around, sweet!!!!

[@erikbrynjolfson6478]

Exactly!!!! 😂

[@philipevans8361]

You have a whole other channel for e bikes... I come here for...... actual bicycles. Not for long, I guess....

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Thanks for your insights - we do talk about how and where this EMTB tech could migrate to regular MTB's too. And yes your right we do have another Channel for EMTB's - but this new bike despite or in-spite of being an EMTB - has some ground breaking - potentially industry changing Tech - and thus I feel its worth covering here too. Again thanks for your insights! Cheers Owen

[@davidmalakoff147]

I hardly watch this channel now. I guess this is the end for me...and perhaps to others that just go out and ride.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

@@davidmalakoff147 Thanks for your insights - if its ok to ask - what would make you watch more from us - is it specifically the EMTB topic on this show that you don't like or is it other content that we're not covering that you'd like to see more of? Cheers Owen

[@davidmalakoff147]

@@OwenBikeNerd Thanks for your response, Owen. I used to tune in more when the channel stuck mostly to me powered bikes. I know there will always be cross over, and, honestly, I find the new technology fascinating. I am probabley (too) old school in that a lot of the reason I ride is to get away from all that. So, more about (non electrical) improvements in bikes, more on lesser known brands, etc. Just less on E bikes. You gave them their own channel; now get them to use it. Rant over, out for a ride now.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

@@davidmalakoff147 thanks for your feedback - we do try and keep the themes and topics here on GMBN Tech focussed on the MTB world - but sometime something from the EMTB world will drift over more so when the tech involved is so new. Again - thank you for your insights - really appreciate you take the time - thank you - and yes also more riding is good - enjoy! Cheers Owen

[@jarza_87]

Question is this power meant to use with people who are deep in MTB riding up or down hill? Full blast always? What is the audience for this motor? This motor is not for "noobs" cos it meant to be shred. How its programmed vs Shimano or Bosch? Is it good? Tests are needed. Is this motor only for shedders full blast or people like me who like to ride normal "easy" trails with long distance?

[@ElveZ83]

Maybe watch the embn video on that bike. Seems to be excellent power with a performance closer to shimano ebikes (more natural and controlled).

[@Rainbro121]

Giant Ride Go app

[@pentonville2362]

Why not autonomous mode so our bikes can do the ride for us and save us that bothersome effort of being at one with nature and the forest.😞

[@benscott6266]

I miss Bike Magazine.

[@cripmeister9104]

If it will get old farts on bikes I am all for it

[@gbrldnny]

i feel like car companies who make bikes rely on brand recognition to move products and are deeply unserious about alternative transportation

[@gbrldnny]

all for new independent brands!

[@neilelliston]

Could a dji inclination sensor confuse a wheelie with going up hill, and try flip u off said wheelie by giving u too much power? 😂

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Or perhaps it will help with balance - literally a wheelie mode? Cheers Owen

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

One piece handlebars and stem should be put in the same trash bin as headset routing.

[@joehoeper4648]

It blows my mind people actually buy one piece bar stem combos. 🤯

[@Gta13244]

Hi

[@iancarlson-w8m]

My favorite bike brand is 3 indecipherable stylized white bars. Which kinda looks like "Oily." I thought there was a new car brand out called KN. But it's actually just a really shitty design for the new KIA logo.

[@evan5167]

You do realise kia and their parent company hyundai has german designer and engineer for their head of departments right

[@emonty62]

DJI: China data collector

[@pwn3d_d1rt]

Everything is a data collector nowadays lol.

[@nuttynut722]

@@pwn3d_d1rt we still have choice, even everyone does it, doesn't mean it right, this is a terrible logic

[@pwn3d_d1rt]

@@nuttynut722 where did I say it was ok? I didn't... but we are running out of opportunities to opt out.

[@nuttynut722]

@@pwn3d_d1rt we can still be offline while bicycling...

[@pwn3d_d1rt]

@@nuttynut722 For now... Who knows what the future holds. Look at modern cars... Good luck opting out of things like GPS. A lot of these features will be abused, for example insurance companies tracking your driving habits... Only solidifying your statement that it's not okay. However, I was in agreeance with you from the beginning lol

[@James-e4d6h]

These two are hard work both to watch and working together

[@duncanicook]

It is a bit a bit of an uncomfortable first meeting in the hallway to use the toilet at a fitness singles new commers welcome party😳

[@duncanicook]

Or, maybe the Xmas party 2023 is still a complete blur 🤔

[@davidcarter1313]

Soon my bike will be trash talking your bike.

[@campbellclark3458]

A neuron is a brain cell. Canyon called their bike that because it's supposed to be so quick that just a thought is enough to make it change direction

[@Videomorgue]

Can we please keep computers and gps out of bicycles? It's one thing to have a couple of features on an ebike, but gps and this other bloatware is just an excuse to overcharge consumers.

[@anthracitemafia]

Chinese ebikes be bringing prices way down

[@RobertWooten-jr9ly]

Touch screen on a mountain bike? hell NO! Just ride your bike

[@moldyketchuphead]

Wake up the MTB industry? What do you mean? Wake them up from what? It hardly seems like they're quiescent. New products and updates are coming out all the time from the big players, maybe even as much as the fringe companies combined. Maybe we should be wondering who is really asleep here.

[@VicenteOcanaplus]

Is DJI selling our travel data to data harvesters like others like waze or Garmin? Looks like if they can, they will

[@NoNotAChance]

Me, I just want bikes and components to get back to sane prices. The Amflow with the DJI loks nice, but I will give it a couple years or so before consideration, however when it comes to bang for buck there are many more out there that are far superior.

[@QuarterMileCrazy]

I love the technology and being that the analog crowd doesn't seem to be able to accept advancements in technology they don't deserve any of the other tech that comes along with having an onboard computer.

[@Justin-ny6un]

Username checks out. On board computer? For what Strava times? Some people just ride for fun. They’re not interested in their quarter mile time

[@ellerybice3787]

Sloopy! 🦨🦨🦨

[@traficgalati5758]

Another suuuper mega pricy ebike.

[@Krizefugl]

It's sadly yet just another bike in the extra premium pricerange. Doesn't really matter what cool features and promises they have if you can't even afford it. There needs to be a change in bike pricing.

[@elizabethpoley6882]

@Krizefugl That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@ElveZ83]

I was torn between a propain ekano 2 al (ebike) and a Santa cruz "enduro". Went for the propain because so much more for the same price and i don't regret one single currency unit spent.

[@rsmithuk]

Well one will influence the other.......other ebikes which cant compete on spec will have to compete on price, so crap will become cheaper......potentially even to affordable

[@casestudymtb]

You won't see changes in pricing until after innovation. As much as ebikes are ubiquitous in media, they're still a young tech. Give it a decade and both prices and weight will come down as battery tech improves and efficiencies are found in manufacturing. It's too early to complain about affordability. Just be excited when cool sh*t happens in the industry and wait patiently, it'll happen. Honestly people complaining about ebike pricing sound super entitled.

[@Krizefugl]

@@casestudymtb normal bikes are hefty in pricing, too though.

[@tonysadler5290]

More basic ability and reliability, fewer gimmicks. I wish they'd stop trying to make bikes into a "high tech experience" in order to sell product !

[@CH-gm1pp]

All the bikes are made in China and the brand name is just a decoration

[@rtomp8533]

1 piece bar stems are crap. usually too stiff, no adjustability and you can get lightweight stuff to beat the weight anyway

[@miggyclark1]

I for 1 welcome our AI overlord masters, and ride what ever bike they wish

[@jakewilliams91]

That e-bike screams more money more problems.

[@tomascilich6486]

one day a terminator will come from the future on an ‘analog bike’ and will try to destroy the DJI to prevent the MTB AI from taking over us mortal and simple bike loving riders 😢 I do not like the way bike industry is heading, soon the woods and hills will be full of virtual reality and bikes will be controlling riders, not riders controlling the bike anymore; worst nightmare ever…

[@duncanicook]

You show the top model pro which costs 9k then say it's 6k..mmmm

[@niuniezpolska4683]

Regarding DJI bike. With this technological mambo jumbo comes price of privacy. I bet that producer is going to harvest telemetry. This means your GPS, and how you ride at least. And they will not pay customers for that either. Not to mention hacking a bike software remotely. But bike looks promising. And wait for subscription on your bike...

[@plainuser48596]

Hope it will not be another "clean and lube the chain" video where you get it absolutely wrong - doing anything with chain on bike is no go

[@Davem19835]

Why is so much tracking needed? Ex national DH racer and now run my stock levo SL carob with axis, just ride the bike, who goes home and looks at graphs? Go home, wash you kit and go again! So much teah is destroying the spirit of riding

[@ivanmilner3344]

E-bike E-bike E-bike. That’s enough for me fellas 👋

[@sky7004]

Idgi, can someone tell me what the thing with ebikes is? Other than if you're an overweight 50yr old dentist/Dr., doesn't an ebike defeat the whole purpose of biking, which is pedaling? If you don't want to pedal, just get a dirtbike, hell you can get them even cheaper. If you're going to use an ebike for commuting, then just get an e-scooter, they have much better range, and cheaper.

[@73megalith]

Buy a Surron, a cheapo van and a trail bike and still have change from what these cost! Yes its a nice bike but...£££££

[@heavyfuzz9675]

I don’t want no Chinese spy company spying on me especially when I’m going off piste.

[@UnderWarranty]

Your phone does that for you

[@NeilDethml]

On paper the DJI is cutting edge. The reality is with that much torque, chain stretch & cassette wear you will have to keep your eye on. Plus it’s yet to be tested in the English wet winter. That’ll be the true test.

[@gregstew6736]

snap snappety ping

[@evan5167]

Weather wise, there are worse weather in china compared to in england. Torque wise we will have to see. After all, they already have some of the best drone tech in the world.

[@sd5458]

So then "eMTB rated" actually becomes a thing rather than a marketing gimmick. Why gimmick? Because bikes and bike components have been able to handle 300lb+ riders for decades now. Nothing about an ebike makes stressors on the components "MOAR" save for the chain maybe... But guess what we've had motorcycles for a hundred years. There are chains that exist that can handle these "unprecedented" torque loads. 🙄

[@Timthecommenter]

That’s a lot of money for a moped.

[@snowman22ism]

Let's wait and see what kind of durability it has... One crash and your touch screen is no more...

[@45graham45]

Aaargh. Not e bikes again.

[@WorkLessRideMore]

I have no interest in ebikes.

[@rottieshepcalibre9156]

No thanks. I don’t want a bike with hundreds of sensors telling me what’s wrong with the bike. That’s hundreds of sensors that need servicing. I say hundreds because the bike needs to be able to tell me if bearing number 4 on my rocker needs replacing. If it can’t then the whole idea of a bike diagnosing itself is completely pointless. Great show guys

[@aim102]

The average price for a car here in America is $48,000 or 36,000 pounds ish. Please don’t do this to our bikes with a bunch of tech that nobody really needs. I use my bike to escape that world not add to it. Love the show you guys are awesome 🤩

[@mikehedrick4349]

It's DJI. It will revolutionize the industry while simultaneously destroying it... Anna you're gorgeous 😍 You're converting this bmxer into a mountain biker wannabe.

[@EMTB17]

You will never see anybody but a pro using flight attendant. Anything that changes based on the bump you’re already going over is changing too late. When something can predict what’s coming in front of you or see the trailer in front of you and then make it then it’ll work. And until then, it’s nothing but a bunch of fucking expensive garbage.