The Psychology of Harley Quinn, and Domestic Violence | Gnoggin

Harley has gone through a lot over the years…
…A lot of abuse, though now she signals a beacon of hope for real victims of domestic abuse.
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[@sixthcavalier]

after having just gotten out of an abusive relationship, "you have all of our support" brought me to tears

[@sixthcavalier]

+Strannnge thank you :) i am doing better but am still in the process of recovering

[@pupu416]

same! and im so happy for you too.

[@sixthcavalier]

+pu pu thank you girl, if you need to talk with someone who gets the struggle im here!

[@riverward7161]

Alice Liddell congrats and welcome to world of you

[@sixthcavalier]

Wha

[@dalemedley5049]

Don't be a Joker to your Harley Quinn be her poison ivy.

[@Yours_truly.03]

yea

[@hannahheheh9936]

Yessss

[@ryleighchea6600]

Right!?

[@Dalenaxx3]

Bless this comment!!

[@etv5075]

Best. Comment. Ever!

[@coco_writer929]

This look into Harley Quin and her relationship with the Joker is amazing. Disturbing yes, but these kinds of relationships always are. My mother was in a heavily abusive relationship with my father. Much of what he did was the result of heavy drug and alcohol abuse but it didn't stop her from reacting on her survival instinct to protect her children and herself from further harm. However, much like Quin, she was in denial about it for years. It took me saying as a small child "Mommy, maybe you should be with someone who's nicer to you.". She told me that was the wake up call where she realized her kids were being affected by this, not just her. People who haven't lived it, or lived around it don't understand what it's like. So thank you for making this video.

[@tomnorton4277]

It's amazing how children can get to the heart of a problem more easily than adults. Adults overcomplicate things so much that they often can't see the forest for the trees. Children can ignore the trees and see the heart of the forest. Attack of the Clones made a notable statement about this by having a youngling nail the source of Obi-Wan's inability to find Kamino when no adult Jedi could. "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is."

[@bekers0421]

It's weird how much I used to relate to Harley. Instead of physical violence, I was emotionally and mentally abused and I didn't have anybody. I had myself and I use my isolation to help me get away. Although this happened when I was a kid, I was in this similar relationship with my ex. He didn't throw out of a window or anything like that but he would ignore me and put his games and friends before me and I wasn't happy. When I finally broke up with him, he told me that I would be nothing without him. And now I'm in a new relationship with someone who puts me before himself sometimes, even though I tell him not to. And I'm happier than I've ever been. In my experience, sometimes relying on yourself is the only way to go

[@KawaiiCat2]

@Caul sometimes it's not always as easy as it sounds. When I was with my ex, he would never play games I liked. It was always what he liked to play. I would call him after a long day of work and say hello and he would be rude and not listen to me and ask me to hang up. Then I hear his friends laughing in the background. It happened everytime. When we were at his house and finally got some time to play together or spendtime, he would invite his friends over and would ignore me the whole time. I would go home and the next day work up the courage to tell him how I feel and things need to change or I'm leaving. He would cry and yell at me, telling me how he was the one for me, how he was broken without me and how he would change. He would write me a sorry card after each time and bring me chocolates and flowers. I felt guilty on my part and sorry for him so I believed him, but change never happened. I always made an effort on my part but he never cared. It wasn't until I finally talked to my best friend about it and she helped me break up with him and gain my sense of self back.

[@ashleyweber3791]

Rebekah DeVore I just read your comment my ex was exactly like that to me a compulsive gamer and abuser and even went as far to let one of his friends is insulting terms I didn't know the meaning of like "poor lil tink tink" now he has a new girl and tells them lies makes me out to be crazy and obsessive when he's the one who's those things

[@Tyndalic]

My ex wanted to know everything about me. I thought wow no one ever cared to know how I tick before. He even got me to admit my darkest secrets, not that dark. He once told me, WARNING, if you ever tell anyone that I abuse you I will tell your family all your secrets and trust me they will never believe you. He got to my family before I did, they treated me like I was a beast. I was trapped now because to leave him my family already believed what he said. No support. He cut my money, or made it so that I relied on him. When I broke up with him the real crap began. It was bad enough, but now he’s setting me up to appear criminal and telling my children I don’t love them and I’m a drunk and slut…more and more. He annihilated my entire world. Then he decided to stalk me for seven years, and no matter where I moved what state I jump, too he was always there, haunting me. I finally got away and don’t even ask what craziness it was to accomplish but it’s done. These people are extreme and will hurt you.

[@TheApoke]

Funny how "poison ivy" is the cure.

[@jakebryant3445]

XD

[@Nightmare-ee6yy]

lol that's true

[@jasoncase9481]

Not really poison ivy can be compassionate while you can't say that about the lower than all garbage trashbag chickencrap unfunny bastard the Joker.

[@jasminesanchez9543]

+Jason Case he means that it's funny that "poison ivy" is the cure. Double meaning. Poisonous ivy

[@finnkenobi8346]

lol

[@angrytheclown801]

As a man that was involved in an emotionally and always on the verge of physically abusive relationship I can tell you, that no matter what, no matter what your gender, you can get help and escape. I met her, we hit it off and got together. Then slowly it became I was never any good for anyone, why should I try to find anyone else to share my life, platonic friendship or romantic relationship, when I have her. Watching a show, if she thought the female characters were too hot I might leave her for them (no idea how, but abusive people are never logical.) She would break stuff, sometimes right next to my ear when I wasn't paying attention. If I showed a mind of my own, she told me she'd break my head open with a heavy cast iron pan one of these days and then I would get arrested because the police always blame the man in these situations. But I was lucky to have her because no one would ever want me but her. It took a combination of an epiphany while hearing a song, I will never be able to repay the guys at Repo: The Genetic Opera for Night Surgeon, along with threats of violence from me to back her down, getting friends and family helping me get out of the situation, even some people I would normally call my enemies helped me, and moving out of state for a few months so that she would get tired of it and move onto an easier target. Just a pure nightmare so again, if you are in this situation, do not allow yourself to be bulldozed. GET HELP!

[@TheFoxfeather]

What song was that?

[@Meraidd]

The song is called 'Night Surgeon' from the movie Repo! The Genetic Opera

[@angrytheclown801]

TheFoxfeather What Stephanie said. There's a line that is repeated in the chorus that says "Remember who you are/I remember".

[@ameliarenkel2569]

Thank you for speaking out. People need to understand that domestic violence happens to both men and women.

[@preyforforgiveness7186]

I'm sorry you had to go through that. it's good to know you had people help you move forward

[@patriciamagana8918]

I still don't get why people want a relationship like Harley Quinn and the Joker. It gets me mad when people post pictures of them and saying that they're goals.

[@lvdergrlslowerrsmv5529]

Even more crazy on the Killing Stalking abusive couple Oh Sangwoo & Yoon Bum. I really think no amount of fictional abusive relationship should ever be seen as "goals." As long as the people reading it can separate fiction from reality.

[@metageek7878]

Maybe those people don't really understand the abuse aspect and only see the cutesy stuff he fakes

[@fatuusdottore]

Patricia Magana I could say the same for HarlIvy.

[@Thedarkestblackisstillblue]

@@lvdergrlslowerrsmv5529 I know people who would love that relationship, some wanted to be young but, and sangwoo.

[@lilnicofficial3200]

Because it can be a goals relationship

[@avv11135]

This video made me realize how toxic my relationship really was. I went through 2 and a half years of abuse.

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

Lots of support !

[@mar5894]

Anna Vaughan #100% not seeking attention.The abused ones won't go on vids and share that they were abused -_-

[@alexd3528]

You're beautiful

[@PixieElixir]

i guess victims of abuse usually don't realise how abused they were until they have time to heal. I am glad you have realised it and i hope you have healed by now.

[@sorayasaucedo7522]

Hope so too

[@petitbun2132]

i hate how couples continue cosplaying them without any background knowledge. It looks badass if you know and you still do it, but people who just do it cause it looks cool without knowing anything is what bothers me :(

[@Ishaankaushal1]

same man :/

[@petitbun2132]

Ishaan kaushal mainly because they see them as the most "romantic" villainous couple but little do they know how abusive The Joker is with Harley :/

[@DesirayTV]

I cosplayed her but I haven't read the comics, but I did do plenty of reserch. Sadly I don't have a place where I can buy comics.

[@petitbun2132]

+desiray laidler it's okay to cosplay her but I mean when people are in awe of them as a romantic couple. like he's hella abusive and that's just gross and sick, anyways cosplaying is great; I'm sure you rocked it :)

[@sephtermalay2742]

Yeees! It's like wearing a shirt from a fandom you're not even apart of! My friend wore a Skyrim shirt and I was so mad because she has never even PLAYED Skyrim-- she has Dragon Age Inquisition instead!

[@shelovedjohnny]

Finally someone that knows things! So many people romanticize their "relationship", he used her to escape Arkham in first place. Congrats, subscribed right away ♡

[@kencassidy6879]

To me, It's like twilight in this DCEU.ugh

[@Milohsan]

Thank you. Preach 👌👏

[@ELbabotas1]

Please, understand, that nice is only 10% of it, the rest is just wrong...

[@mintchocchip1066]

ELbabotas Shinigami really 3%

[@yoitsbabangie3677]

both of them are insane yes insane. If jokes fights bats it ok! but if Harley fights him he scared and it's a problem. They are just insane

[@pervelinn]

I was in a "bad" relationship (perhaps not as bad as Harley's but still some times it was pretty bad). It took me a long time to get out and finally leave for good. I remember thinking to myself "This relationship is giving me anxiety. He makes me feel guilty for everything and I feel like I sometimes have to walk on eggshells around him. He's lying, making me cry and I'm not happy" As soon as I finished that though the first thing that popped in to my mind was this: "I don't want to be happy, I want to be with him" I was so disturbed by my own though that a short time after I ended it for good. I guess I can see a bit of myself in Harley. I think that when the heart is hungry we eat lies and accept any kind of love, even if we only get a minimal amount back. I loved the video! ❤

[@cyb3rDracul]

*dude your editing is goals*

[@VicMeep]

lmao

[@perilous-panda4993]

Yvette Austin I forgot what lmao means XD

[@paulstanleyismylife]

Literally if he doesn't work at a radio station he needs to bc he literally has the perfect voice for it. NPR, get on him

[@paulstanleyismylife]

I said literally twice, sorry for my redundancy

[@luminite1863]

omg I agree😍

[@sadlittleghost8346]

he sounds like Comicstorian

[@Cutegreydollwolf]

podcast maybe?

[@sonya5421]

+Individual Situation shut up you fat hick.

[@JestaLemon]

I was actually in an abusive relationship for several years and comics are actually what helped me through it.

[@JestaLemon]

+crack 😂😂

[@Inkarnid]

+Just Harley k

[@TribalDood]

Sensational.

[@DanielGomez-bp6be]

thats good for u!

[@milllzz05]

Whoa!

[@LynneleWhite]

This video touched my heart deeply, as I suffer from psychological abuse and manipulation frequently. Not as bad as Harley and no serious physical abuse, but just as damaging emotionally. Harley Quinn is someone with whom I can strongly relate.

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

I'm sorry to hear that...

[@user-uo7kz1bu6o]

@@nirielwealce-o1253 Tell me how is in the pfp pic pls

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

@@user-uo7kz1bu6o pfp as in profile picture ? What do you mean "how is in the pfp" sorry I didn't get it, but I'd like to help

[@GaJ42]

@@nirielwealce-o1253 Never did find out

[@lightquest2]

I want to hug Harley so much right now :((

[@DeathDiety365]

Sorry for being late but Shes a criminal still and could either rob, kill, assault, and etc things to you. Dont let the sobbiness blind the fact that she is still a criminal.

[@themanbehindtheslaughter177]

DeathDiety: The Hated true

[@DeathDiety365]

@XD张景荣 your right. Depends on when you decide to really

[@dusathemaid]

If you're someone like Bane she might hug you back, if you are a common simpleton she might leave you with at least one leg

[@phrimalexdc1212]

I ain't gonna sympathize a bat Sht crazy, ya'll got into her stories but that doesn't mean you can sympathize and justify all of her actions bruh

[@ryoko65]

I walked away from my Joker after 1 year of planning and 1 year of trying to gain the courage to leave. He made sure that I was completely isolated and dependent on him. When I left I had 50 dollars because that was all I was able to hide from him as he took any money I got as a gift ... I didn't have a drivers license and I didn't have a job. I could go on but I think you got the picture. It's been almost 15 years since the divorce and I'm still dealing with overcoming the damage. If you see yourself in what I had gone through, please first know .... you are precious and wonderful and deserving of real love....not mental manipulation disguised as love. Get out....now...or start planning it if you can't just leave. That goes for guys too...there are as many cases of men being abused as women.... they just don't report it because of the stigma of not being the strong head of the house. Get out! Find love.....and learn to love and accept yourself.

[@keitaro4571]

[@meowmew444]

That's amazing that you had the strength to get out of that horrible situation. I'm so glad you're in a better place now. You're incredibly brave ❤️

[@ryoko65]

Thank you for your kind words, Meow Mew​, I still think it was the scariest thing I've ever done. I have a driver's license and have had a great job as a computer support tech. I'm currently on disability for some health issues, but I hope to be getting back to work soon. I have a great family and friends and things are going pretty well for me now. I am thankful for the patience of a friend of mine who helped me to learn that if a person loved you, they wouldn't treat you the way I was being treated. And it took very long for me to accept that I really deserve to be loved.

[@sapphirestars7789]

Good for you! I believe nobody should go through that kind of hate. I might be almost thirteen, but I can still say whatever happened was something you and no one else should deserve. I wish for you the best and I hope eventually you'll find someone else who cares for you and treats you like a part of himself as a husband should treat his wife. God bless you and your family

[@ryoko65]

+kilderok I'm so sorry that you and your mom had gone through so much,....my ex was also a "Jekyll and Hyde" type ... I didn't see his real face until we were married. after the divorce, most of my friends couldn't believe that I had left such a "wonderful" man. I lost all of the friends that were on his "approved list" of people that I could be friends with. I've gotten back in touch with a couple childhood friends and made several really good friends since being on my own. it is so good of you to help your mom sort things out....and it's so good that she feels she can count on you.... however. it does almost reverse your roles and it doesn't leave much room for you to just have been a kid. I do hope things will get better for you both.... sending love and warm thoughts your way.

[@Lampent12]

So deep I nearly drowned. Definitely a different type of video today.

[@thomasbc3171]

*cough* sans video *cough *

[@thomasbc3171]

sry

[@Relflow]

+Meep Moop who?

[@chilledfire4569]

so true

[@spaceman3980]

+EPKingMaster I just watched a Muselk video before this....

[@chantalbryant4585]

This is so insane. My ex husband was just like the joker even his smile. I to was in the medical field until I met my ex. Harley and I have a lot in common. People always say they want Harley and Joker's relationship goals. Trust me you don't. I'm so glad that Harley got a good ending.

[@-Gous-]

I think you people go a bit do deep into this whole stuff 😂

[@mamabear2847]

Damn.. I never realized how bad Harley was abused and how bad she had it 0_0

[@Lilliaace]

It's something DC is trying to swipe under the rug. Joker has done TERRIBLE things to her

[@MomoKanjaki]

@@Lilliaace Exactly.

[@themanbehindtheslaughter177]

Veronica S and do did Harley did to joker but it still doesn’t changes the fact that joker is more violent than Harley when it comes to abuse

[@MomoKanjaki]

@@themanbehindtheslaughter177 Yeah. But Harley doing things to Joker was her way of fighting back against her abuser.

[@themanbehindtheslaughter177]

Momo Kanjaki not really, actually she can’t fight back( used to) when joker was super angry at her but she did abused him in episodes like Joker’s millions where joker wanted a new hench girl instead of breaking Harley free from Arkham and when she funded this out she basicly beated him it was not showed but it needed there there are also other stuff but this is just one. I mean yeah in the new comic series she only fights him for self defense too.

[@wishbone346]

I love this. People always think Harley is just a female Deadpool these days, but she's so much more. I can relate to Harley so much because of her reliance on the Joker. She stays with him because she thinks she has nowhere else to go, and because deep down she really wants to believe he cares about her despite everything he does to her showing the opposite. Seeing her overcome her demons really touched me in a way that entertainment rarely does. By that point I had already overcome my own demons, but had I read this before doing so I think it definitely would have helped me even more.

[@AyseeMD]

Oh no, in the comics she's basically female Deadpool with less fourth wall breaking, mainly because her abusive situation with the Joker was what made her interesting. While overcoming that is a good arc, it should really be saved for elseworld, and ending TV series or movies. Because we all know that Harley is not gonna die anytime soon, so getting rid of what makes her interesting is like having Spider-man retire as a family man without ending his Spider-man line and replacing him with another guy. It'd only be good for things that end.

[@wishbone346]

Dragon Phantom of DEATH! I humbly disagree. I've been a Harley fan since Batman: The Animated Series, I've read probably 3/4 of the comics she's been involved in, and honestly I've always found her interesting even without the Joker. You can go many places with her without needing to focus on her relationship with Joker. For example, her self-esteem issues are not just going to go away. You can still play with her insecurities with who she is and where her life is headed. You can still show that she's having a hard time coping with the fact that she wants to be more than a villain but everyone sees her as one no matter what she does. Hell, you can even play with the idea of people still seeing her as nothing but Joker's sidekick even after she went through this arc. Overall I think you're oversimplifying her as a character by saying that the Joker is all that made her interesting. That's like saying all that makes the Robins interesting is Batman.

[@AyseeMD]

wishbone346 Except, they do, the whole purpose of her leaving the Joker is getting past those problems, The Joker caused those problems, so getting rid of them gets rid of those privlems. And that's impossible, since the only way she can't be a villian or anti-hero is to be certifiably sane, and she's been doing fine on her stand alone titles. And people wouldn't have a choice but except she's not Joker's sidekick, she's been apart of the Suicide Squad and Ivy that barely anyone in the DC New 52 would recognize her as Joker's sidekick by now, all possible character arcs for her are through, done, she's stuck in this ending that leads nowhere. Well, that's also true, the Robins aren't interesting without Batman, but they're still able to be successful by themselves, as long as Batman is still involved, cutting all of Harley's ties with the Joker makes her lose that main focus.

[@DrewLSsix]

+Dragon Phantom of DEATH! You are mistaken thinking that one must be mentally ill to be a villain. Or an anti villain or a hero or anti hero, the Joker him self isn't typically insane either so what makes you think that Harley overcoming an unhealthy relationship would end her criminal career?

[@AyseeMD]

DrewLSsix When did I say any of this? I said that she's not interesting without Joker, without him what we liked about her (her main struggle with her relationship) is now gone. And we're left with Deadpool, only less funny, cause every fourth wall break is cringey cause she was never known for doing that. (Effectively ruining Deadpool's best humor) So, she has nothing good to fall back on, no obstacle, no real character arcs. And that'd be fine, if this wasn't a coming up story. Which requires constant growth, examples each and every Ex Robin, Wally West before disappearing, and the Teen Titans.

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

Just realising my ex is 80% Joker, which may explain why this relashionship almost destroyed me...

[@dtemperkitty4473]

I'm sorry man.

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

Dtemperkitty Thanks

[@emmarose3421]

Im sorry, Im glad you got away from him

[@nirielwealce-o1253]

Thank you (Homestucker's support is the best)

[@emmarose3421]

+Individual Situation dude shut she could be a fan of my little pony for all i care abuse is abuse. No matter what they like. (if you're being sarcastic, i apologize)

[@jaspr1999]

You guys just ROCK!!! I'm a retired teacher who taught young adults and there were several over the years that suffered from abusive relationships. Most kept me as only the teacher, when I tried to talk to them and left the only option for me to help being reporting it to the administration and talked to fellow classmates about helping anyone who might be going through it. While I never singled out the individual who was having problems they were able to make friends with people who got them help. Those that I was able to get help for though counseling, and in some cases, the campus police resources, ended up getting out of those relationships resulting in being happier, grades improved, and developed close friendships with other students. The worst part is that domestic violence is more commonly seen as against females, but unfortunately this is a non-gender specific problem. Males are even more reluctant to get help as society dictates that males are somehow immune or should be able to handle it. Bottomline is that male or female, you should NEVER be with someone who physically, mentally, or emotionally abuses you!!! No matter how strong you are, remember that even concrete breaks when it's hit enough. It is never a weakness to ask for help!!! Look, I'm a just a guy that knows nothing about phycology, but I do know how to care. With all the troll comments KZbin is famous for, I know that almost all those trolls behind the keyboards care as much as I do, if you know anyone going through this please use your talents at cutting people to the core to get these people help. Sorry for the long comment. Just seen too many wonderful people go through hell and this video was so well done that it brought all those memories back to the surface.

[@giselleperez4033]

his voice is comforting c:

[@gabbraule6114]

oh I just love how he mentioned ivy as her new healthy relationship, not mason! visibility for bi girls❤

[@rosiex2757]

But it's not healthy, Ivy has abused Harley in the past too.

[@gabbraule6114]

+rosie x when? never seen that before

[@Napculture]

He stated that she dated the joker, it's really obvious that she's bi

[@twisterialullubee7701]

+rosie x, (replying this here too, since you're going out of your way) Ivy loves Harley, especially in the New 52, and in the original comics, she took a bullet for her (from Joker's gun), she also nursed her back to health after the Joker strapped her to a ROCKET and shot her away. Poison Ivy, like Harley is a victim of abuse, and much of her actions that are considered to be verbally abusive, come from a place of fear for Harley and just an utter disbelief that she keeps returning to this relationship. In almost every incarnation, as their relationship develops, and Ivy begins to trust and care for Harley more as a person than just a fellow victim of abuse, but as Harleen Quinzel, she dials back on the verbal abuse. And honestly, if you observe any relationship between friends, as Ivy and Harley were for a long time, they tease each other, abuse is typically defined as actions that inspire fear-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy. And the only time Ivy was ever violent with her was while she was undergoing massive, physical transmogrification, when she was becoming physically part plant. Harley often treats Ivy in a similar fashion, she even goes so far as to purposefully antagonize her in the spinoff comic book series based on the original animation, calling her an assortment of names, even hitting her with a towel on the butt-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy, there's a real, mutual affection that develops over the course of years that without a profound knowledge of the access of comic book canon, you really shouldn't make flippant comments about it.

[@mizzypink8]

+rosie x right people pick and choose what they want

[@ZeCyberChimp]

Had a blast editing this for you, i shall be reading everyones comments on their thoughts

[@MatchaFlash]

Editing is perfect, color correction set the mood perfectly

[@Frynge357]

as I hope others say, you did very well. ^_^

[@djdunfee6775]

it looked great

[@natewood4322]

Incredibly well done

[@austinbutcher5999]

This is probably the greatest editing work I've ever seen. It seriously raises my standards for other videos. Amazing work!

[@RaptorGirl]

I've went through the exact cycle of abuse, and it took me 6 years to finally leave him with help from my friends I packed my stuff and left, he tried being a narcissist by telling them how a shitty person I was but they didn't believe him, I've been away from him for a month now, but there is still fear of cutting ties with him.

[@harlequinace3236]

damn it, you made me cry like harley quinn when batman tells her that the joker is using her. Anyone else feel bad for harl?

[@NikkyKicks]

WHY IS WATER COMING OUT OF MY FACE?

[@mgarza1468]

it's called Super Aids. immediately go to a doctor and/or Hospital.

[@dave14647]

ow sorry i'll put the onions away now.

[@xxmaddiegirlxx6012]

Naw don't cry..

[@KoujiInfected91]

i know how you feel ..my eyes are leaking too

[@TheInadequateGamer]

kouji B Why?

[@sarahs5915]

This is why I liked Joker and Harley's relationship better in suicide squad because it wasn't abusive. It pains me to see Harley just getting used.

[@rosiex2757]

Actually it was still abusive in the film, and just because someone is ''nice'' to them now doesn't make it any less toxic.

[@ijustdontcareanymore1022]

They left a lot of it out of the film.

[@minimeishungry1867]

Do you support Taylor swift

[@InfestedLice]

Yea the only time he was abused was when he slapped her but then he kissed her trying to convince her on something but that scene was cut

[@theL4Y3R]

their was a deleted scene where he slaps her and she puts a gun to his head and of course Sweet talks her. It will be one of the deleted scenes on the dvd when it drops

[@909Pocahontas]

Ugh she has sooo much love to give and the Joker just throws it away like it's nothing )':

[@m3tr0id86]

elisa gonzales Yeah, I mean I'm a guy, but like Harley I have so much love to give and most women don't even acknowledge any value by even in the smallest iota. I usually isolate myself from everyone and only hang out with people so that they are fooled by a "mask". If I could be with Harley, she would be more valuable than all the combined wealth in the world.

[@tyler2913]

@@m3tr0id86 found an incel in the wild LMAO

[@viktoriaf.1191]

Literally sounds like every relationship I’ve been in...

[@fabiolapaonessa1791]

Being in an emotional abusive relationship, he laughed at me, he picked on me, he forced me to kiss him and would get mad at me whenever I decided I didn't want to go out. Though I got out of the situation quickly somehow, I still count it as abusive because even though I never got a mark on my body, alot of his words left one in my head. Harley growing as a character and as a person is the symbol of what alot of people go through or want to succeed in friendships and relationships. We want to be that confident person Harley has become and face our demons in a way we can truly look in the mirror and feel whole as ourselves. How long that takes is well, hard to tell. But whoever is reading this. You CAN get out. You WILL get out. I know you will.

[@comedygamez6461]

He needs to do the joker next if he did Harley Quinn

[@comedygamez6461]

I mean like, what makes the joker so obsessed with batman and his intelligence and junk

[@gamingmilk829]

There are 3.

[@comedygamez6461]

+Gaming Milk I'm talking bout their symbolism

[@CheshaGurimu]

NO WE LEFT THE JOKER BEHIND... in a jail cell... bleeding...

[@ValhallaAMV]

"Just lie there and bleed."

[@alwayschanging5821]

Harley and Ivy are the best relationship in any form of media.

[@rosiex2757]

Not really, Ivy has been known to also abuse Harley. Just because it's a same sex relationship doesn't make it good. Ivy is actually horrible.

[@alwayschanging5821]

rosie x IVY IS AMAZING! MY OPINION IS LAW!!!!

[@rosiex2757]

Nephilim Born wow you're stupid.

[@alwayschanging5821]

rosie x​​​ I am? But I wasn't being serious...  does that make you an idiot? or maybe a moron actually.

[@twisterialullubee7701]

+rosie x,(here too, wow! You're at least consistently ignorant) Ivy loves Harley, especially in the New 52, and in the original comics, she took a bullet for her (from Joker's gun), she also nursed her back to health after the Joker strapped her to a ROCKET and shot her away. Poison Ivy, like Harley is a victim of abuse, and much of her actions that are considered to be verbally abusive, come from a place of fear for Harley and just an utter disbelief that she keeps returning to this relationship. In almost every incarnation, as their relationship develops, and Ivy begins to trust and care for Harley more as a person than just a fellow victim of abuse, but as Harleen Quinzel, she dials back on the verbal abuse. And honestly, if you observe any relationship between friends, as Ivy and Harley were for a long time, they tease each other, abuse is typically defined as actions that inspire fear-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy. And the only time Ivy was ever violent with her was while she was undergoing massive, physical transmogrification, when she was becoming physically part plant. Harley often treats Ivy in a similar fashion, she even goes so far as to purposefully antagonize her in the spinoff comic book series based on the original animation, calling her an assortment of names, even hitting her with a towel on the butt-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy, there's a real, mutual affection that develops over the course of years that without a profound knowledge of the access of comic book canon, you really shouldn't make flippant comments about it.

[@TheShadowgirlaa12]

I always loved Harley since I was a little girl!!! After suicide squad people liked her cause they think she hot or baddass..They did not know the true past of her.What created her that way. I'm so happy poision Ivy helped her out and they make a more betyer couple!!

[@donaldbales5938]

QueenTorres14 true

[@sweetcrimson144]

QueenTorres14 neither one of them have helped Harley. They both got her into crime. They both used her. Harley doesn't need anyone but herself. Her and Batman would make a better couple!

[@ayvamason3448]

That is literally me with the whole fake fan stuff

[@harleyquinn7673]

QueenTorres14 That's True. I Loved Harley Quinn Since I Was A Youngster Too. But The Suicide Squad Cutted Out Scenes That Could Have Shown How Their Relationship Was. But Some HarleyXJoker Fans Just Can't Find What Really Happeneds.

[@turmalinofdreams2778]

I love it how I didn't like suicide squad harley but after I saw the old harley stuff I fell in love with that character xD pff she is like 10 times funnier than the joker 😊 sorry for that english

[@SharksAvs14]

I personally think that the Joker from Suicide Squad is different from the abusive Joker we usually see. So, think about it like this: You know how comics always have different dimensions? You can go on the Marvel or DC wikis, spend an hour trying to figure out the dimensions and who is in each one, and you might still not get it. Some people say certain movies take place in certain dimensions, blah blah blah. Anyways, as an example, some are still trying to figure out what dimension the Deadpool movie is in. (Most people say it's the Wolverine's dimension) But anyway, in the original Deadpool story, Wade was with Vanessa for a little bit, but they broke up and never got together again. he never went through all of the events of the movie to save her. So, Deadpool is in a different dimension. Similar to this, I've never heard about the Joker doing several operations to locate Harley, figure out how to get her back, likely fighting through Midway City just to get a helicopter to get her. Sounds like a lot of work for one of his many toys (See what I did there? "You Don't Own Me?" Eh! Eh!)

[@NVRDYING]

Mikey Matthew they removed the abusive scenes

[@SharksAvs14]

Oh ok

[@mollyyoumans1292]

Actually its in that movie. My mom began watching it over and over again as each time she realized more and more how dad was the joker (abusive, mainipulative, user) some examples, pushing her into the acid is in the movie as he almost leaves her for dead. Well he did not push her but you see her resisting and he minuplulates her into it where she does it only for him. And he walks off to leave her for dead, only "saving her" as another manipulating trick to use her as much as he can. Him laughing in a circle of knives with baby boy and girl clothes there (a hint about her daughter lucy) She is in the club dancing mist likey to fund tge jokers needs. He then sets her up to fall into the traps of his games like getting the guy to hit on her, her hit back, just so he can have the fun of being jealous to justify shoting him in the club. She joined suicide squad to get away from that abuse, just to be used by the government, which then the joker uses to "save her" mainipluating her back into his life as a hero

[@pinecones.pixels9056]

I never knew Harley Quinn's backstory, and it's too relatable. Hope I can find an Ivy. 😔

[@alexanderpeden4675]

:) I'll be your Ivy

[@salmaelasfar949]

but I Ivy also treated Harley badly (not as bad as the joker maybe but still.)

[@celesteflores2241]

+Salma Elasfar then you aren't ivy

[@ap3productions81]

You have my support.

[@hafordkeh2524]

You also have my support

[@anxolotls1307]

I like the editing! good work cyberchimp

[@ZeCyberChimp]

Thank you kind sir :D

[@dixienormous9845]

+mlg illiminati I thought your comment said "Die in your mother".

[@nomnoms6831]

Harley is such an inspiration for people who've had abusive relationships. And yet again people are blindly calling there significant others their "Joker/Harley" like it's so gross. This video is so informative a very well edited.

[@cherrydreamblastartsandrea4507]

I escaped domestic violence and am free

[@pinata111colada]

God's message congratulations! :)

[@perilous-panda4993]

Princess Aqua Heart welp just another year for me

[@sadiyoahmed]

Mitchell bryant that truly is sad stay strong you re strong and beautiful

[@digimonalvatrax2738]

Oh sorry at least your free:)

[@DoubleMonkM]

Neon Dash,I hope you recover

[@rosiex2757]

I agree with 95% of this, but Poison Ivy is also Harley's abuser. In past comics it's been shown that Ivy does all of the same things that Joker does to her, just to a lesser degree. I saw Suicide Squad recently and they grossly romanticize their relationship. They made Joker seem loving and like he cares for her, and at the end of the movie he even comes back to break her out of jail. Which he would never actually do. I hope for the day that people stop romanticizing these kinds of toxic relationships.

[@transgenderjesus9692]

suicide squad pissed me off

[@rosiex2757]

7/ 11 I literally don't care?

[@rosiex2757]

KymInHorrorLand Exactly what i was thinking. Then Harley in the cartoon proceeds to kick his ass lol

[@hyperturtlegaming130]

I'm curious but where exactly does Ivy abuse Harley? I literally can't find anything like that

[@rosiex2757]

HyperTurtleGaming animated series + it's comics, it's not in just /one/ comic, like a real abusive relationship it shows in all their interactions together.

[@morenoramonvictor]

This was an amazing and emotional video. This is why Harley Quinn is by far my favorite DC villian

[@RamsTheNameCom]

+Mettaton If you like Harley Quinn, you might also like the Marvel villain, "Stain Glass Scarlet" (a Moon Knight villain with a similar theme to Harley Quin though Stain Glass Scarlet is more of a Badass and appeared in comics first back in the 80's).

[@morenoramonvictor]

+RamsTheNameCom OH YES THANK YOU DARLING

[@xxmaddiegirlxx6012]

I'm your favourite? I'm flattered! :3

[@doridori650]

Im glad you didnt say "superhero" like most of us females do.. I hate it when i hear another girl talk about how much she loves Harley Quinn the "superhero" it makes me cringe.

[@IamRocque]

yup but everytime someome mentions joker I cringe because the way he treats harley amd everyone that is innocent Harley A.k.a Harleen Will Always Be My Favorite Of Course With Catwoman And Poison Ivy.

[@pureevil9496]

Poor Harley, I hate the Joker. And it's funny. Ivy is my favorite Batman villain and now I wish I had someone like her in my life. Wasn't expecting that.

[@gunsandammo92]

"My fault, I didn't get the joke" that will always give me chills down my spine.

[@adamsandaler5981]

sorry but gotta shine light on the suicide squad movie, I really appreciate the new dynamic between the couple given. people are complaining scenes were cut but it was to demonstrate the couple as less one sidedly abusive (im trying to put it a way that makes sense). most the movie the joker is a support to harley and almost encourages her individual strength and power. the movie showed harley could function by herself though the joker still mattered to her, the fact that she was comforted by the fact the joker could "rescue her" throughout the movie and the fact she chose to go into the acid vat were reasons i really enjoyed the movie.

[@rebelarms6647]

Agreed. At first I was disappointed they cut out the scenes of abuse, but the more l think about it the more I like the alternate take on their relationship.

[@acchery8910]

i like it as well but feel who should still see the true relationship. I mean it was hinted when joker left harley for dead after the crash

[@jilliansaathoff4611]

you're so right. i honestly loved the way the couple was portrayed in the movie and it will set up more for other movies, and if they do go into the abuse, i hope they don't do it too much.

[@rebelarms6647]

+AC Chery Someone else pointed out that Joker leaving Harley after the crash might have been a smart, thought-out move as he knew Batman would have her and he could break her out of prison later, but if they were both caught it'd be much harder

[@jilliansaathoff4611]

everyone there are two videos about their relationship on the youtube account ShippersGuideToTheGalaxy and i suggest everyone to watch it bc it could change your perspective on their relationship :)

[@chillingate6817]

Sadly abusers are usually so broken that they want to break others. Joker being a good example

[@Bella211886]

But what if the Joker never leaves her alone? I mean how can you escape the Joker? ask a Batman for help? or just kill him off yourself? PS. Guess Nolan with his The Dark Knight Movie was right about how every single person can be a Joker, they just don't know it yet. :(

[@michellebrown7714]

she gave the joker a pretty good beatdown when he bothered her again, i think she's actually done.

[@Delagoya]

Damn dude, this made me well up with tears. Much love to anyone going through this.

[@frejo1931]

I know absolutely nothing about comics, but suddenly I a) ship Poison Ivy with Harley and b) hate the joker.

[@AyseeMD]

The fact you only just started hating the Joker means you have problems, many problems.

[@MemeScreen]

+Dragon Phantom of DEATH! He is a cool character though

[@jennileewho1979]

I absolutely know nothing about the comics either but I choose to browse snipets on every aspect as much as I can and appreciate the JokerxHarley storytelling since there's just so many layers to it than the abuse as well. But hey, to each his own then.

[@estorica]

Be my friend please ;~

[@angelacooper8973]

im sure the joker hates you too. bitch dc is nothing without the joker. harley is only popular because of him

[@DavrenHelsmere]

I'm not a victim of Domestic Abuse, but I feel similar symptoms of being one. I think it because almost everyone I've met IRL has brought me down more times then I can count. Saying anything I do is wrong or anything I want is/are "Fictional Beliefs." I've been compliant to everyone so that I don't get emotionally hurt even more, it's taken a toll on my mind, making a somewhat split personality, a version of me that's stronger, fights solo, but is loved by millions. *_Please don't respond to this._** I do not want sympathy, I just want to share my feelings.*

[@sulffojus1227]

sorry for replying but this isnt sympathy its helping try being more confident in yourself and talk back to them and dont act/be shy

[@dracibatic2433]

We're responding to this for the sale of responding. Yay this comment!

[@Hello-pp3hl]

replying because oh my god I feel such relief knowing someone else feels that way

[@theabnormalsquid]

This is the best video of Harley's past that I've seen. Her backstory and strength to get out are one thing that I relate to in her story, in addition to her personality. I was so glad with what they did with the New 52 where she grows strong enough to leave, and the relationship she finds with Ivy.

[@sissynefelee362]

Yeah... I tried being someones "poison Ivy" more than once. But she was Always returning to that psycho. Last time it happened and she had to run, I helped her again. Was going on with all we got. We had a plan. We'd get him locked Up and I'd be a witness at the trial. But due to her having spent most of her life in psycopathic relationships, one day she just screwed me over and just disappeared.... She didn't show up in court either, so they had to let him out. .. I found out later that she was back with him again. Why I found out was because he called me because they had a fight and she run away again and he wanted to know if she'd come to me, but she hadn't. That was like half a year ago. Now I've heard she's a drug addict, wanted by police for some reason but she's moved to another town. She don't wanna have any contact with me but I know most stuff cuz of the agreement we had with the police, since I was the only person they trusted having her stay at. Anyways .. I've got a new saying in life. That you can only save those who actually wanna be saved. You can't save someone who won't accept being saved. ... She's reduced to a shadow and it's sad.

[@DBeiki]

One of the main problems of the character of Harley Quinn is that she has no beginning without the Joker, she is a character that is so intensely linked to the joker that she loses something when she's not somewhat linked with the joker. So basically what I'm trying to say is, is there a happy ending for Harley? Well there probably never will be, there's no life to go back to before the Joker, none that she would want to anyway, and just running away from the joker isn't gonna fix anything. Staying with the joker is also bad because the cycle will just continue. The only way her character can have a happy ending is WITH the joker, but a changed joker, one that she managed to reform. But unfortunately the joker will never change, so unfortunately in a way, her popularity is her own downfall because now that she's a more important character and we want to see her achieve her aspirations, her aspirations are forever unattainable.

[@DBeiki]

Obviously I'm not talking about post-52 stuff, because that's a completely different harley and joker dynamic. I'm more talking about animated series harley and joker.

[@angelacooper8973]

without the joker shes not harley Quinn. just a clown chick so her popularity will be her downfall in the end

[@gamergirl2214]

+Angela Cooper Actually even though Harley was initially only connected to the Joker, as years have gone by and her popularity had increased she has been linked with other characters. Harley Quinn changes the way she acts and her whole personality in general on the thing or person shes obsessing on. Whilst she is obsessed with the Joker she finds herself deep within the crime life because she's trying to be like him so that he will love her as well as do things that she believes will make him happy or impress him. But. If you look at how she acts after finding Power Girl with amnesia she finds herself becoming a superhero and stopping bad guys. Harley is someone who has to obsess over an object or person so that she can create herself. So really, even without the Joker, Harley is such a confusing and interesting character with so many things still left to find out about her that even whilst she's not connected to the Joker or if the Joker eventually dies off. Harely will still, from what I believe, be just as popular and well known like she is now.

[@AlexK-bl8or]

She actually got away from joker in animated series by accident. Even in that universe there was happy ending for her.

[@MrBKainX]

Seeing Harley fall back in love with the joker soon after he nearly killed her from throwing her out a window is one of the saddest things from any cartoon.

[@clumsyblumsy9999]

I wish Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn would become cannon in a movie. They make me so happy. I also loved this video; Harley Quinn's story is so inspirational. Side note: If I hear one more person say "Joker and Harley Quinn are OTP"... I don't know man. It's just like... wtf is wrong with you.

[@sobersaber494]

This video brought me to tears, because I am still on the road to recovery and finding strength to combat my demons. From the bottom of my heart, thank you

[@shcnoozlebop]

Excellent breakdown of their abusive dynamic. As a psychology student, it's frustrating for me to hear people say staying with an abusive person is "stupid," which is a gross oversimplification. Also because I've been in an abusive relationship myself. It's a very complex problem.

[@buttonsburg]

the growth of Harley Quinn shows us that nobody cares about a really interesting woman until you start taking her clothes off.

[@damianlafrance7353]

Tru

[@FrstSpctr88]

Things are always buried beneath the surface. :P

[@EvanBagwell]

I didn't know who she was before the Arkham Asylum video game, and I didn't really like her until I found out more about her character. Sure, she's attractive, but I like her for what she represents, as I myself have been the victim in an abusive relationship.

[@buttonsburg]

+Cpt VonShtabbin UH OH NOBODY CARES

[@emmettdonkeydoodle6230]

Literally the same thing can be said for male characters with giant ass abs but ok

[@melmckelvie8141]

As a little girl growing up in an abusive home that tormented not only myself but also my mother. I used to watch Batman the animated series and the first that I saw HARLEY something clicked for me and there was finally a character I could relate to as an abused 12 year old girl. I have read some of the Harley comics where she has broken up with the Joker and those were a source of strength for me as a surviver of multiple types of abuse. I really thought that you did a great job with this video. I also cried and thought it was inspirational. I agree that you do have a calming voice. I thought that you did a good job of breaking down something as complicated as the cycle of abuse even though there is much more that happens in the dynamics of an abusive relationship. I also think you did a very accurate job of explaining Harley. Not only that but you talked about helping people going through this situation and added links for people to get help. That was especially impressive to me because in my opinion your video raised awareness about domestic violence and had links to sites people could look up for more help and added information. Thank you for making this video. I think that you really did it justice.

[@outcastpov9366]

well at least all the abuse scenes in suicide squad were cut out

[@user-is5tv2mc3p]

Elite Psychotic probably should have left them in, so People would stop using that movie as a motivation to have a relationship like joker and Harley

[@outcastpov9366]

L eh I'm honestly quite happy they were deleted, Joker and Harley r sum of my fav fictional characters so I'd rather they not have such a toxic relationship

[@justicemcdonald4067]

Raining Insanity In the original comics, they had an extremely toxic relationship

[@mollyyoumans1292]

Actually its in that movie. My mom began watching it over and over again as each time she realized more and more how dad was the joker (abusive, mainipulative, user) some examples, pushing her into the acid is in the movie as he almost leaves her for dead. Well he did not push her but you see her resisting and he minuplulates her into it where she does it only for him. And he walks off to leave her for dead, only "saving her" as another manipulating trick to use her as much as he can. Him laughing in a circle of knives with baby boy and girl clothes there (a hint about her daughter lucy) She is in the club dancing mist likey to fund tge jokers needs. He then sets her up to fall into the traps of his games like getting the guy to hit on her, her hit back, just so he can have the fun of being jealous to justify shoting him in the club. She joined suicide squad to get away from that abuse, just to be used by the government, which then the joker uses to "save her" mainipluating her back into his life as a hero

[@Lordlexluthor]

@@outcastpov9366 then you obviously don’t understand the joker character or the point of the relationship at all

[@Ishaankaushal1]

I hate that Posion Ivy and Harley Quinn are in a sexual relationship. Just as bad as Batgirl X Batman

[@Ishaankaushal1]

***** lmao they do but I like them as best friends not sex buddies

[@Ishaankaushal1]

dave strider true lmfao

[@GHOST2RM]

Brah that is probably her best relationship with a human being, if anything the joker relationship is on par with the batgirl x batman one

[@rosiex2757]

I don't like it either, but not for any homophobic reasons. Poison Ivy has abused Harley in the past too, people only praise it so much because it's a same sex relationship.

[@Ishaankaushal1]

***** Idk any specific issue but i'm pretty sure looking at any of their comics before New 52 and the animated series will give you the answear

[@canvas_125]

To be fair, the Joker does care for Harley to a certain extent. He tries to kill her many times because he doesn't know exactly how to deal with his feelings. It's something he wishes he couldn't feel. Their relationship is so interesting and complex. After all: "Everyone else sees the Joker laugh, only Harley has seen him cry."

[@wannurliyana5597]

Agreed. Joker is a complexed character. As horrible as he is, in the end he still has human emotions. Their relationship is rlly interesting

[@canvas_125]

+Wan Nurliyana Christ, THANK YOU! Finally someone who understands. A lot insist the Joker doesn't care at all, but he has shown otherwise AND then the haters say "it's not really Joker." Why won't they accept he's capable of slightly of caring for someone? If anything, it makes him MORE interesting.

[@cometome255]

I agree, but I think it's good that Harley has left him. Cool motive, still murder, that kinda thing ya'know. ALSO, Waller in the Deadshot and Katana spin-off, I'm pretty sure Amanda Waller says something on how the Joker probably needs Harley more than she needs him.

[@canvas_125]

+cometome255 Of course; it was unhealthy for both of them. I think their story was awesome, it didn't have Joker giving in the end the same affection like Harley and she became independent - a good conclusion to them. Yet I can't help but still be drawn into the Joker and Harley's toxicity.

[@cometome255]

Loida Perez Voicing my exact messed up feelings. I think it's their complex characterisations that allows us to think this way.

[@alexisortiz4556]

that's how my mom and step father relationship is, and I'm my mom ivy,I'm a psychology in CSi a I still am helping my mom. although sometimes she throws him out and then brings him back ,I still have hope that she'll one day leave him for good.

[@Chikadulce10]

Damn....I'm unable to really keep up with comics but it makes me immensely happy to see that the writers have given her so much development over the years. Great to know she's become more of an example than she used to be :) Love you Harley!!

[@leighbrion5869]

Thats why I was so surprised when Joker was so different towards her in Suicide Squad. Harley deserves to be loved back. 😞

[@trashgoblin4476]

true.

[@katherinestives940]

She is, in a strange sort of way. By Poison Ivy. It's a VERY strange relationship, but I find the dynamic interesting. On the one hand, you have the Joker pulling on her (who is highly abusive and manipulative) and on the other, Ivy (who is supportive and has concern... which is odd because I always saw Ivy as not caring about anyone). Hopefully we'll see more of the dynamics in the Harley movie (I know they have plans, but seriously, who didn't see a Harley movie coming?)

[@subieguy4567]

I know he looked like he loved her

[@kylelatham3456]

They cut the abusive scenes out of the movie to give it a lighter tone like the marvel films. The deleted scenes will be in the extended cut

[@phignewt1038]

+Kyle Latham there's numerous deleted scenes though. If I'm not mistaken they could make at least two other movies with the extra footage.

[@SerenaEffing]

Man... I've never had an analysis touch my heart so deep... I may never see Harley the same way again...

[@stephano1859]

Oh my God how could I be so stupid it was so obvious I thought that there relationship was fine bc I Remember that they called it a love hate relationship.. I am so happy for harley

[@hahalove47]

This video made me so happy. I've had friends go through abuse and one that didn't make it out. In the end, he ended up killing her. Abuse is serious. Even if you just hear your neighbors fighting and you feel like someone might be in danger, do something. Call the police. You could be saving a life. They're not just cheesy words you hear in commercials. You really could save someone from ending up like my friend. You can be the hero they need to save them just by simply calling 911 or supporting them to leave their partner.

[@TheFoolishSamurai]

Great, now I can't make sex jokes about Harley without being berated for "attacking an abuse victim".

[@djbubblegum9975]

Just ask yourself "what would Harley do?". In this instance, she'd make the joke anyways.

[@testrun2985]

+DjBuBbLeGuM true!

[@levischorpioen]

Hell, if you were to make a sexual joke about her in her presence, she'd probably laugh the hardest and kiss your cheek.

[@levischorpioen]

Dragon Phantom of DEATH! Worth it.

[@twentynefandms1403]

+Dragon Phantom of DEATH! 😂😂😂😂

[@monteemann7325]

She started off as a childhood crush but now she's ur wet dream cmon I mean look at marko Robbies costume u would tap that

[@browncookie5520]

Who the hell is "Marko Robbie"?

[@hiddenflare6169]

U am also curious

[@gramble968]

+Brown Cookie The women playing her in suicide squad.

[@monteemann7325]

probably got the spelling wrong

[@Alyson_The_Meta]

not for me, and its not like i didnt watch batman when i was little either.

[@demonbaby6015]

you should do one if Harley dated Deadpool! would it be the same? or different?

[@user-is5tv2mc3p]

MayethXXRapheal different, Deadpool may not be a hero, but he would never abuse somebody physically or mentally (especially a female)

[@MailiSilviaRose]

Oh I definitely ship it

[@vinny9868]

Honestly I love that idea. And not because their themes are both red and black, but their personalities will natrually mix well. They're both going to have loads of fun together.

[@michellebrown7714]

@RazzleDazzle WooHoo lol even deathstroke would be better for her than joker...

[@ineedausername9617]

@KooKooMcGee Quality memer , anyone's better than the joker.

[@mommysgremlins]

I love your explanation on Harley's background. Not many people genuinely understand her. Thanks for all your work!

[@mommysgremlins]

I also learned a few things about her I hadn't known.

[@sopersonictails]

i prefer the older Harley then the new 52 one

[@sopersonictails]

+Dajsha Bibb we each have our own opinion :)

[@Quisiio0303456]

The new harley has become a hollow character.

[@Quisiio0303456]

Dajsha Bibb Is just a regular "lol so randum" character but constantly remembering how she was abused by the joker just to try and make it less hollow.

[@arthriticpenguin1128]

+Quisiio0303456 I can see where you're coming from, but I must respectfully disagree. Before I explain why, please know that I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong and that I'm not attacking you. Also, beware of spoilers. I've only read up to issue 13 in the new 52, and I've noticed something. First, she has a PhD, which means that she's not an idiot. My theory is that she's bored and looking for a challenge. The incident that leads me to believe this is what happens when she moves to Coney Island: she's being hunted by hitmen and bounty hunters. She's trying to figure it out and asks Ivy for help. After a while, they find an encrypted folder on Harley's computer and Harley has no idea where it came from. One night, Ivy notices Harley sleep walking and follows her. Ivy watches a sleeping Harley log on to her computer, access the encrypted folder and RAISE the bounty. Yes, Harley is the one behind her own bounty. This seems ridiculous, but there are people who do stuff like chores in their sleep. When you sleep, your subconscious takes over. So, if you accept these actions as anything other than pure goofiness, she's clearly a high functioning individual if she can perform complex tasks in her sleep. Furthermore, even if it subconscious, she feels that her current life of apartment managing, counseling, and roller derby is not fulfilling her desire for a challenge, so she created a catalyst to hopefully fill that need. This is not unprecedented, as this desire for a challenge is what drove her to approach the Joker in the first place. So, in this context, it seems to appear that when she ends an adventure, she basically thinks "that was fun. What's next?"

[@cellogirl11rw55]

flipnotefan fan [Trคƿƿ૯ძ ᔕ૦υl] Oh, she was definitely an abuse victim before the Suicide Squad. She displays very typical behavior of an abuse victim, namely being very submissive towards the Joker, always trying to please him, telling herself she deserves to be beaten every time because she's done something to piss the Joker off, and she always runs back to him afterwards because she seeks the passion they had in the beginning, plus, the fear of what the Joker might do to her If she tries to leave. If you watch Batman: The Animated Series, you'll see what I mean.

[@sephtermalay2742]

3:00 LOLOL I don't ship Harley and Joker BECAUSE of this. I watched suicide squad and I was not having it! He uses her like an object! Hittin your boo makes bad boo boos

[@sephtermalay2742]

***** MHM!! And I KNOW that their criminals and that it's not SUPPOSED to be a healthy relationship, but, it just don't give me that king and queen villains of Gotham feel that other people have about it! To me, it's like master and slave and if someone loves someone, then they should ABUSE them! Like, no, just no. Harley + Ivy = OTP (SRRY, rant)

[@fighterck6241]

+Sephter Malay I think Suicide Squad laid some groundwork to delve into Harley/Joker's true dynamic but didn't want to go fully into it with what was already a very cluttered film. The big example that comes to mind is that, despite the fact that Joker twice attempts to rescue her, he did leave her underwater basically to die or be captured in a damaged car while he saved his own skin. Self preservation came first to him and he only went to rescue him when it was safe enough to do so. I believe that they'll finally tackle the real issues in Harley's solo flick.

[@sephtermalay2742]

FighterCK Yeah, Yeah! But all the while when they were kissing in the vat of chemicals, I was thinking to myself, "Harley, you are one crazy, tucked up girl..." of course, it's supposed to be like that, but still... sometimes, I feel that it shouldn't be so obvious. It brings back memories to people who have gone through that, male or female.

[@BluhBunnny]

#goooooals

[@enricomezzatesta1791]

Knight of Space with respect ... who the hell cares about what you went through do you really expect Warner Brothers and DC to cater to your feelings? How do you expect the Joker to treat women? I am sure there is plenty of Harley and Joker fan fic on tumblr you can read

[@betzabelrosascorona5308]

Currently about to be a year free from my abuser, seeing this made me cry. I this whole time I've looking for something/someone I can compare my abuser to. He treated me exactly like the Joker. A narcissistic, abusive, psychopath.

[@brookethebook5692]

i had a friend in a abusive relationship and she just got out of it around this time. life works in weird ways.

[@kuroneko1374]

Dude I love the joker and harley together, but Bro... You make such good videos. It felt like I was watching an episode of 50/50 😭 kudos man!

[@mikan576]

What's 50/50?

[@DanielGomez-bp6be]

+malika naubekova a show

[@DanielGomez-bp6be]

Who

[@cgm530]

+Individual Situation And feminism is supposed to be an insult?

[@thomasbc3171]

Nice video lockstin

[@thomasbc3171]

I just realised are you doing lots of the psychology of characters vids

[@thomasbc3171]

Sans, Harley Quick who's next I like it

[@StellarStatic]

+supasik1 Gnoggin

[@Hooby-O]

+supasik1 You're probably thinking of Gnoggin. The channel used to be called Gnoggin, but his personal name has been Lockstin. He wanted to separate himself from only being called Gnoggin, which is more or less a series name where he covers theroys and the like. The channel is now called Lockstin/Gnoggin. You could look at as a way to more humanize himself rather than just being the Gnoggin guy.

[@iiiiitsmagreta1240]

Sorry, wait, are Lockstin and Gnoggin both characters played by the same guy, and that's why there haven't been any Lockstin videos recently?

[@labohemienne5560]

i watched this video when i was i a similar situation, my ex-fiancee was addicted to alcohol and i just broke up school to help him and i thought "but if i leave him, won't ever get clean, he will die" and now, 3 years later, he's clean, and guess who ended up being addicted👏🏼

[@jadejerlang6286]

The first time I saw this video, I had just gotten out of an abusive relationship. This video helped me alot to get over what had happened to me. Thank you so much Lockstin

[@PurpledaisyShasta]

i love harley and the joker but i hate them as a couple. spoiler alert in the suicide squad movie the joker accually looked like her truely cared about her. not only did he deactivate the bomb in her neck but he broke her out of prison at the end.

[@RomanticGoblin00]

Well to be fair there have been different versions of the character and their relationships. I think the film wanted to test out new route of what their relationship could be. In the comics you had Joker and Harley break up, in the Arkem games you had Joker die and Harley taking over the gang. And Harley got her first moment on the big screen. They probably want to introduce something a bit different in which Harley still dependent on Joker and Joker can still be manipulative but Harley could still make her own choices with or without Joker. Realize DC goes off of different universes so there might be one where Harley does stay in relationship with Joker, but still finds a way to be her own person. Of course in order for that to work Joker would have to have a different view of her, and maybe because in the movie she fell into the chemicals to prove her love. He could've seen her as a partner in crime if not close to an equal.

[@shortboss101]

Yea, the movie did do that but I can only think they might had done that because some abusive relationships you have people that do "love" each other. But they do not know what is "Love" really is you know and they think that abusing someone is part of love. I think from what I have seen in real life there are all types of abusive when it comes to love with the whole denial. I know from my own life with an ex and you think that person loves you and they really don't. And it's odd because my ex once told me I do have feelings for you, but I feel abuse is part of love. Even though I left and it never got so bad the truth is it was hard, i was scared, and you think they love you still because you love them. I am glad I left and learned better for my life. I think abusive relationships are all not the same. My friend was in one and it was worst than me.

[@Sarah-vi3nw]

How did he deactivate the bomb in her neck?

[@PurpledaisyShasta]

I think he stole some tech and used it.

[@Sarah-vi3nw]

shastapurpledaisy I don't even remember that. Was that when he broke into the lab and killed the guy with some weird gun thing? I don't think I actually saw him defuse the bomb.

[@QuinSkew]

Domestic Violence effects men and women

[@violacola]

He never said it didn't.

[@QuinSkew]

He's an sjw

[@aurulupus]

It kind of reminds me of my parents. My dad has BPD, and when he got mad, he would throw things, and break things. He would make comments about every little thing my mom did "wrong" in his eyes. The house was never clean enough for him. She eventually got the courage to leave him, after cheating on her for so long. Last summer I was his new scapegoat. He pushed me over the edge and I attempted suicide. I felt worthless. "Maybe I did deserve it, maybe I just don't deserve happiness." Things like that ran through my head constantly. I don't handle abuse well, especially someone who I had loved so much for years. It cut deep. My mom had warned me that he was manipulative, although I hadn't seen it until that moment that I saw his manipulation at play. Recently, my therapist told him about my suicide attempt. My dad has been extra nice to me, like that will change the fact that I no longer have a self esteem or can't trust people.

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

I met a girl recently that reminds me a lot of Harley; she is really sweet, beautiful and appears to be upbeat but she told me she had already tried committing suicide a few times. I don't mean this in a bad way, but she is pretty naive; for me that's a good thing, that's why I like being around her, because she makes me see the world the way I did when I was a child. Others have abused this however and hurt her, exposed her to harmful things like drugs. I really want to help her; some people are just meant to be followers but that doesn't make them any less valuable or give anyone the right to abuse their trust and loyalty. I hope one day she trusts me so I can lead her down the right path...

[@WASTEOIDx]

I believe that harley and joker love each other. of course their relelationship isn't the healthiest but is harley truly innocent? SHE KILLS PEOPLE.

[@sephtermalay2742]

But no one deserves to be hit and rejected like that though... not from their boo :

[@carolinaalcantara1539]

in the comics it Seems like he really does use her and abuses her very often... although the romantic part of me wants to believe he really does love her and cant live without her in the movie though we didnt get to see much of these two they gave us the sense that they are truly in love i like to believe they both would do anything for eachother and cant live without each other 😍

[@sephtermalay2742]

Caroline Bruh, in the movie, the joker was using Harley, too! It was a scene sheen joker was talking to a man (I don't remember who he was cause joker killed him soon after) but Harley was pole dancing at a club and he called Harley over to get with the dude. He was all like, nah, joker, she's your girl, I can't. And they ended up killin him for it.

[@sephtermalay2742]

Caroline In my personal opinion, (and it's fine if you disagree with me) Suicide Squad, when it came to Harley, it was either them shorts and making her way too sexy than necessary >.> or one big Joker and Harley ship. Honesly, dem shorts looked SO uncomfortable. They might as well have made her wear a thong or something. I cringe just thinking about it. To me, it was NOT sexy at all

[@self-loveletters6313]

+Sephter Malay lol true. Margot Robbie actually admitted to hate her costume and wanted to change it, but the director said no

[@kaitlynndavidson1103]

Joker is a person who tries to love . In a story that most fake fans didn't see him and his pregnant wife needed money and his wife passed away with the baby. They are obviously both victims

[@SemiOmni314]

The Killing Joke is an Elseworld story.

[@reedyleek7315]

+SemiOmni314 I thought the killing joke was in the main storyline?

[@vershaylamorieemartinez327]

+Kaitlyn S. But I thought even tho he dosent have a direct story line that. That one was the one most everyone goes by also when he was framed by the Mafia got the red hood and throw in the acid on accident by Batman. Which turned him crazy. But then isn't there a story line where there suppose to be 3 jokers supposedly.

[@vershaylamorieemartinez327]

KymInHorrorLand I know that and I'm not talking about him making up stories for his back story. I thought that most writers and people go with that story line. I thought it was a well k ow and well accepted story line from what I heard. Even tho it's not 100% cannon. You see it used alot in live actions or references to. Like in the killing joke animation and comic. And Gotham when referencing the red hood. I know he makes up different back stories to get sympathy and make people feel bad for him. I just thought that even with his multipal back grounds and back stories this one was widely accepted by the comic community. And that the new information about there possible being 3 jokers have surfaced. Making more theories to pop up.

[@arielnicoleee]

Mmmmm.. no, lol.

[@BlaqkEye888]

I am a domestic violence abuse survivor. This is so spot on, and the reason it took me so long to leave. Thanks for doing this and spreading the word. I still have the scars but I am finally starting to feel like myself again. There is hope.

[@robertmasengale9366]

I saw the title of this video and had to watch it... I was not disappointed. This video alone was enough for me to subscribe to your channel. My sister fought through the specter of abuse when she was in her late teens and early twenties. It took her years to get out of it, and this video is so accurate as to what it was like watching this relationship... Trying to help her out of it... She eventually did move passed it, and has a great husband now who treats her well.

[@maximuskarrga4621]

Hey Lockstin, great video! Can you make a video on the psychology of The Joker for the next part of this series? :)

[@michaeljaradeh6213]

You know, Wisecrack made a similar video called "The Philosophy of The Joker". You should check it out if you're interested.

[@maximuskarrga4621]

+Michael Jaradeh Alright, thx, I'll check it out :)

[@Molly-et5xl]

Oh gawd, I was not expecting to be thrown back into my bad memories. Though for what its worth, I became my own Ivy

[@8JAJ8]

What's the beautiful haunting music playing in the background? I've heard it before but I can't remember where.

[@mandala314]

Love this exploration of Harley Quinn's relationship with Mistah J! So tragic, and too real. When people say "You could stay with friends" you really can't, because either 1) your abuser convinces your friends you're unstable or even crazy and alienates them from you - isolating you, or 2) your friends are afraid to get involved because your abuser will stalk you, show up at their place and cause trouble, make their lives hell, too. Sometimes the abuser will make outright threats to your friends, so they won't even tell you why they can't help, or why they're dropping you as a friend - then you feel worthless as a person, and even more vulnerable to your abuser's self-esteem shredding tactics.

[@tentenhyuga4832]

Wait did Harley really kiss Ivy! That's sooooo cute~

[@codylavada9024]

yea they ate in an open relationship in the comic canon now

[@rosiex2757]

It's not cute considering Ivy has also abused Harley too.

[@cptvonshtabbin9829]

+rosie x Just remember. If someone is gay, anything they do is ok.

[@twisterialullubee7701]

+rosie x, Ivy loves Harley, especially in the New 52, and in the original comics, she took a bullet for her (from Joker's gun), she also nursed her back to health after the Joker strapped her to a ROCKET and shot her away. Poison Ivy, like Harley is a victim of abuse, and much of her actions that are considered to be verbally abusive, come from a place of fear for Harley and just an utter disbelief that she keeps returning to this relationship. In almost every incarnation, as their relationship develops, and Ivy begins to trust and care for Harley more as a person than just a fellow victim of abuse, but as Harleen Quinzel, she dials back on the verbal abuse. And honestly, if you observe any relationship between friends, as Ivy and Harley were for a long time, they tease each other, abuse is typically defined as actions that inspire fear-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy. And the only time Ivy was ever violent with her was while she was undergoing massive, physical transmogrification, when she was becoming physically part plant. Harley often treats Ivy in a similar fashion, she even goes so far as to purposefully antagonize her in the spinoff comic book series based on the original animation, calling her an assortment of names, even hitting her with a towel on the butt-- Harley isn't afraid of Ivy, there's a real, mutual affection that develops over the course of years that without a profound knowledge of the access of comic book canon, you really shouldn't make flippant comments about it.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Why people need to ship 2 charathers because they are close, I mean what was wrong seeing Ivy and HQ having a sister like relationship, why they need to be gay lover.

[@erisptolemy]

I love this so much. I love Harley Quinn because of how strong she is. I mean I know she has extreme Stockholm Syndrome and her and the Joker are one of the many " relationship goals" but she's so beautiful and amazing. I'm honestly really glad she's dating Ivy now. At least Ivy isn't like Joker is.

[@alecjohnson2864]

Well, it's saddening to know DC is POISONED with homosexuality now. (See what I did there?)

[@erisptolemy]

+Age of Ultron nothing wrong with same sex relationships

[@nekochan3013]

+Bellatrix Tudor It was meant as a joke I think because it's poison Ivy sooooo

[@erisptolemy]

+Maddi Yando I don't really see how him ( or her) saying " it's saddening to know DC is poisoned with homosexuality" is a joke. The " poisoned" part was a good pun, but there really isn't anything wrong with same sex relationships. Homosexuality isn't a poison.

[@nekochan3013]

Of course nothing is wrong with homosexuality (I am pansexual) .I think he just meant it as a joke but a really crappy one at that.

[@queenlysa6604]

This is why I love Harley so much. It isn't because she's "so hot and edgy in Suicide Squad", it's because I myself have been in multiple abusive relationships already in my life (I'm only a junior in high school) and her story gives me hope that someday I can become myself again, and that I'll find someone who treats me right and loves me for who I am. I love Harley just as much for her personality as I love her for the message she brings

[@blissprokop6239]

I'm a domestic abuse survivor. Your video brought tears. I hope this video brings light to the how's and why's a victim stays. What we endure.

[@jmichael5712]

I'm probably the only one that wishes Harley and Joker were still back together instead of the clusterfuck the comics became :/

[@rosiex2757]

You have to let it go my friend. It was never good for start to finish. Harley and Joker are much happier (and as happy as Joker can get) without eachother.

[@jmichael5712]

+rosie x I....I can't

[@marialuisadealmeida7628]

No, you're not

[@gwenmathis3227]

omf i agree!!

[@seithroil]

I wish you were

[@juxtapoison5110]

Gnoggin in my opinion this is your best theory yet your video quality is rising so fast and making a theory about a real issue and talking about it in a serious way while successfully putting in a few jokes "in your style" this is great only because of that theory i think that you deserve more subscribers then most of the youtubers out there i personally think that you have made your best decision by deciding to move on and experiment with new formats instead of making easy to make top 10s i was a long follower of your channel and i've watch you (as a youtuber ) growing up and the fact that you are now making videos about problems with our society in a serious way is mind blowing to me i think that you have finally found your own style although if you dont feel that way try out new formats because so far you have made so many right decision regarding your youtube career p.s. sorry for the long comment but i had to give you at least a compliment for this awesome video

[@canadaontario4674]

actually i find he doesnt manipulate him because the thing is i dont think you can compare a usual abusive couple to a villian couple and this annoys me.Harley is a VILLIAN and so is Joker.you can not expect a villian to have a normal relationship i am not excusing her but honestly now the " comic nerd" who only read suicide squad fight on "still better than jarley" its so stupid...

[@canadaontario4674]

Daniel Aldrete Dc says shes still a villian,she was in the suicide squad and thats when she became an anti hero and then went back to being a villian.as for the society thing,wow super mature i actually know a character and did my research on her so society now hates me because i actually know her backstory and read her comics.

[@Ameg13]

I just showed this video to my daughter. She’s 8 and loves Harley! Her middle name is Harlow so I’ve always called her Harley. Anyway, I’m a survivor of domestic abuse and she witnessed it. By the hands of her father... Were both free and have been for 5 years and this whole video was done beautifully! Thank you for this moment! I didn’t know it would get THAT deep but I’m glad it did... she liked the video as well and I think she loves Harley THAT MUCH MORE