God became flesh? Your God is Flesh?

@MusingMegan 6 ай бұрын

1 Cor 15:45 says the complete opposite of trinitarian dogma. "The Last Adam [Jesus, a man] BECAME a life-giving spirit." 😊

@romans8vs14 4 ай бұрын

You said that the bible cant prove that Jesus is father God well here is the bible in Hebrew Israelite language and English language saying the same that Jesus is father God in New and old testament. John 12:44-45 Yochanan 12:44-45 Orthodox Jewish Bible 44 But Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach cried out, The ma’amin in me does not have emunah in me, but in the One having sent me. 45 And the one seeing me sees the One having sent me. John 12:44-45 King James Version 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 14:8-9 Yochanan 14:8-9 Orthodox Jewish Bible 8 Philippos says to him, Adoni, show us [Elohim] HaAv and it is enough for us. 9 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to Philippos, So long a time with you I am and you have not had da’as of me, Philippos? The one having seen me has seen [Elohim] HaAv John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:6-7 King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6-7 Yochanan 14:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me 7 If you have had da’as of me, also you will have had da’as of Avi. And from now on, you have had da’as of Him and have seen Him. Jesus being called God in the old testament by prophet Isaiah in Hebrew bible. Isaiah 7:14 Yeshayah 7:14 Orthodox Jewish Bible 14 Therefore Hashem Himself shall give you an ot (sign); Hinei, HaAlmah (the unmarried young virgin) shall conceive, and bear Ben, and shall call Shmo Immanu El (God is with us) Isaiah 9:6-7 Yeshayah 9:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty God), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). 7 (6) Of the increase of his misrah and shalom there shall be no ketz (end), upon the Kisse Dovid, and upon his kingdom, to strengthen it, and to support it with mishpat and with tzedakah from henceforth even ad olam (forever). The Kinat Hashem Tzva’os will fulfill this. Jesus/Yeshua calls himself the Alpha and the omega/ the ultimate in Hebrew Revelation 22:12-16 Hisgalus 22:12-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible 12 “Hinei, I am coming quickly, and My sachar (reward) is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 “I am the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The First) and HaAcharon (The Last), HaReshit (The Beginning) and HaTachlit (The Ultimate). 14 “Ashrey are the ones washing their kaftans, that they may have the right to the Etz HaChayyim (the Tree of Life) and they may enter by the she’arim (gates) into the city. 15 “Outside are the kelevim (dogs) and the mekhashfim (sorcerers, abusers of drugs; [T.N. the original language “pharmakoi” is where we derive the word for “drugs”; sorcerers often abused drugs to hallucinate or induce a passive state when they worked their magic and witchcraft; see and the zonim (sexually immoral) and the rotzkhim (murderers) and the ovdei haelilim (idolaters) and everyone loving and practicing sheker. 16 “I, Yeshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

@@romans8vs14 You seem to take the wrong conclusion from each of your examples. These are about seeing the father "MANIFESTING IN" the son. Not actually being the son. And your last example the "root of David" does not mean a source of David, it means what it says in the next few words, an offspring, because (as some versions correctly interpret this) the reference is to a shoot or root sucker (as we call them today) where the metaphore speaks of a tree that shoots up from the roots of the parent tree. The example is a tree like David, one like and yet greater, but from the same stock as David (not being God Himself) !!

@renaissancehick Ай бұрын

@@MusingMegan One cherry picked verse in the bible, taken out of context, is not going to negate the reality of a triune God.

@Mike34006 3 ай бұрын

Exactly...the word put on flesh!

@billschlegel1 Ай бұрын

Your God is flesh, then, even though "put on" is quite different from "became". I assume you don't use John 1:14 as a proof text then since "put on" and "became" ar very different. There is no Scripture that declares God "put on" flesh. And, if a divine person only "put on" flesh, that means eliminating the human person, Jesus of Nazareth. Otherwise there are two persons, one human, one divine, and four persons in the Trinity.

@Mike34006 Ай бұрын

@@billschlegel1 I don't believe in the Trinity. The immaterial became material, hence put on flesh. And I don't mean put on, like a suit or a tshirt. No!, God is not flesh, not what I said, please be honest, and don't assume.

@Mckaule 6 ай бұрын

I like to ask trinitarians: When does your God/Jesus stopped being a human being ? One more thing: Trinitarians say that Jesus left his divinity and became a man, but then turn around and say that hole fullness of the Godhead (diety) dwells in him BODILY. It's hypocrisy in highest manner..

@romans8vs14 4 ай бұрын

You said that the bible cant prove that Jesus is father God well here is the bible in Hebrew Israelite language and English language saying the same that Jesus is father God in New and old testament. John 12:44-45 Yochanan 12:44-45 Orthodox Jewish Bible 44 But Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach cried out, The ma’amin in me does not have emunah in me, but in the One having sent me. 45 And the one seeing me sees the One having sent me. John 12:44-45 King James Version 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 14:8-9 Yochanan 14:8-9 Orthodox Jewish Bible 8 Philippos says to him, Adoni, show us [Elohim] HaAv and it is enough for us. 9 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to Philippos, So long a time with you I am and you have not had da’as of me, Philippos? The one having seen me has seen [Elohim] HaAv John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:6-7 King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6-7 Yochanan 14:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me 7 If you have had da’as of me, also you will have had da’as of Avi. And from now on, you have had da’as of Him and have seen Him. Jesus being called God in the old testament by prophet Isaiah in Hebrew bible. Isaiah 7:14 Yeshayah 7:14 Orthodox Jewish Bible 14 Therefore Hashem Himself shall give you an ot (sign); Hinei, HaAlmah (the unmarried young virgin) shall conceive, and bear Ben, and shall call Shmo Immanu El (God is with us) Isaiah 9:6-7 Yeshayah 9:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty God), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). 7 (6) Of the increase of his misrah and shalom there shall be no ketz (end), upon the Kisse Dovid, and upon his kingdom, to strengthen it, and to support it with mishpat and with tzedakah from henceforth even ad olam (forever). The Kinat Hashem Tzva’os will fulfill this. Jesus/Yeshua calls himself the Alpha and the omega/ the ultimate in Hebrew Revelation 22:12-16 Hisgalus 22:12-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible 12 “Hinei, I am coming quickly, and My sachar (reward) is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 “I am the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The First) and HaAcharon (The Last), HaReshit (The Beginning) and HaTachlit (The Ultimate). 14 “Ashrey are the ones washing their kaftans, that they may have the right to the Etz HaChayyim (the Tree of Life) and they may enter by the she’arim (gates) into the city. 15 “Outside are the kelevim (dogs) and the mekhashfim (sorcerers, abusers of drugs; [T.N. the original language “pharmakoi” is where we derive the word for “drugs”; sorcerers often abused drugs to hallucinate or induce a passive state when they worked their magic and witchcraft; see and the zonim (sexually immoral) and the rotzkhim (murderers) and the ovdei haelilim (idolaters) and everyone loving and practicing sheker. 16 “I, Yeshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

@renaissancehick 4 ай бұрын

Obviously he stopped being human after he was crucified and ascended to heaven. That's a no-brainer. As for your last comment you're going to have to cite scripture and not paraphrase things. There is no hypocrisy here, just your misunderstanding of the entire bible.

@deepwildblue74 2 ай бұрын

@renaissancehick Messiah never stopped being human even after being crucified and raised to Heaven. First, Messiah was resurrected BY the Father, not by himself Galatians 1:1 TS2009 Sha’ul, an emissary - not from men, nor by a man, but by יהושע Messiah and Elohim the Father who raised Him from the dead When Messiah was resurrected He states that He has an Elohim (God) and that this Elohim is Yahweh, the same Elohim and Father of the Hebrews. Yoḥanan (John) 20:17 TS2009 [17] יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ” Messiah states that the Father STILL is His elohim when He is in Heaven... Revelation)‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭ [12] “He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in the Dwelling Place of MY ELOHIM, and he shall by no means go out. And I shall write on him the Name of MY ELOHIM and the name of the city of MY ELOHIM, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the heaven from MY ELOHIM, and My renewed Name. and the disciples stated that the Messiah has an Elohim years after His ascension? Didn't they get the memo? ‭‭1 Peter ‭1:3‬, ‭‭2 Corinthians 1:3‬, Romans ‭15:6‬ ‭ And Shaul stated that Messiah is to this day subject to the Father 1 Corinthians 15:24‭-‬28‬ ‭ [24] then the end, when He delivers up the reign to Elohim the Father, when He has brought to naught all rule and all authority and power. [25] For He has to reign UNTIL He has put all enemies under His feet. [26] The last enemy to be brought to naught is death. [27] For “He has put all under His feet.” But when He says “all are put under Him,” it is clear that He WHO PUT ALL UNDER HIM IS EXCEPTED. [28] And when all are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself SHALL ALSO BE SUBJECT TO HIM WHO PUT ALL UNDER HIM, in order that Elohim be all in all. * caps were used to accentuate the meaning, not with intention to yell at anyone.

@deepwildblue74 2 ай бұрын

@@romans8vs14related to the verses you provide from the book of John where you claimed these verses prove that Messiah is the Father I would present you the same John where he describes this prayer of Messiah WITH the Father... John 17:2-4, 6-11, 17-18, 20-24, 26 [2] as YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM AUTHORITY over all flesh, that HE should give everlasting life to all whom YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM. [3] “And this is everlasting life, that they should KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE ELOHIM, and יהושע Messiah WHOM YOU HAVE SENT. [4] “I have esteemed You on the earth, having accomplished the work YOU HAVE GIVEN ME that I should do. [6] “I have revealed Your Name to the men whom YOU GAVE ME out of the world. THEY WERE YOURS, and YOU GAVE THEM TO ME, and they have guarded Your Word. [7] “Now they have come to know that all YOU GAVE TO ME, IS FROM YOU. [8] “Because the Words which YOU GAVE TO ME, I have given to them. And they have received them, and have truly known that I CAME FORTH FROM YOU, and they believed that YOU SENT ME. [9] “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, for they are Yours. [10] “And all Mine are YOURS, and YOURS are Mine, and I have been esteemed in them. [11] “And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I COME TO YOU. Set-apart Father, guard them in Your Name which YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, so that THEY MIGHT BE ONE, AS WE ARE. [17] “Set them apart in Your truth - YOUR WORD is truth. [18] “As YOU SENT ME INTO THE WORLD, I also sent them into the world. [20] “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, [21] so that THEY ALL MIGHT BE ONE, as YOU, Father, ARE IN ME, and I IN YOU, so that THEY TOO MIGHT BE ONE IN US, so that the world might believe that YOU HAVE SENT ME Me. [22] “And the esteem which YOU GAVE ME I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, [23] “I IN THEM, AND YOU IN ME, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that YOU HAVE SENT ME, and have loved them as YOU HAVE LOVED ME. [24] “Father, I desire that those whom YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which YOU HAVE GIVEN ME, because YOU LOVED ME before the foundation of the world. [26] “And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known, so that the love with which YOU LOVED ME might be in them, and I IN THEM.” Without any doubt this chapter of John proves that Messiah is speaking to the Father, that The Father sent Him, gave him authority, people, etc. That all believers should be one as they were one (in purpose) and that He is IN the believers as He is in the Father (not literally but figuratively). So No, John is not saying that Messiah is the Father but that Messiah was SENT BY the Father.

@renaissancehick 2 ай бұрын

@@deepwildblue74 None of the scripture you cited discounts the trinity. In fact, there is a multitude a scripture that proves Jesus was God and part of the trinity. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. John 1:14 and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. These verses are clearly stating who the Word was(Jesus) and that he was God and there in the beginning. 1John5-7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. This is one of the seven times in the Bible that Jesus referred to himself as I am, which only God used to describe himself. He also declared that he existed long before Abraham. John 17:5 And now, oh Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. It doesn't get any clearer than that that Jesus was claiming that he was with the Father before the creation of the world. John 20:28-29 And Thomas answered and said unto him, my Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, though hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. All of the Apostles clearly understood Jesus was God in the flesh. This is just one of many statements made by the apostles that affirmed his deity. John10:30 I and my Father are one. For the sake of brevity, I will site other verses which you can look up for yourself. Romans 9:5 Philippians 2:5-6 Titus 2:13 Isaiah 9:6 Matthew 3:3 Jeremiah 23:5-6 Hebrews 1:8 There are many more verses that affirm Jesus's deity and the trinity. Jesus spoke as God, acted as God, and performed supernatural works which only God Himself can do. You should consider Romans 1:20-21 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead so that they are without excuse. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful. But became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened. You should also consider 2PETER1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. One doesn't need to put on pedantic airs and use a lot of jargon to come to the truth. One simply needs the word of God and that alone. For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword. Hebrews 4:12. The only way a nontrinitarian can skew the word of God to fit his narrative is by using a lot of supposition and conjecture. Because of this, and because I hate typing and I know the tactics of non trinitarians so I will leave you with this video. I guarantee you it will squash any arguments you may have. kzbin.infoqXZ1g9iDc8U?si=MLGaNOmLT3PyQMOx Finally, you are incorrectly using the word hypocrisy. Hypocrisy, by definition, is the act of pretending to have a character or beliefs, principles, etc. that one does not possess. A pretense of virtue or piety. False goodness. People who believe in the Trinity and see it in Bible verses are not pretending to have piety or goodness. They simply are basing their beliefs on their interpretation.

@brianstewart23 6 ай бұрын

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

@billschlegel1 6 ай бұрын

Hi Brian, consider the possibility that while intentionally parallel, "the beginning" of John 1 is a new beginning, not the the Genesis creation beginning. Note how in Genesis "light" comes before "life", but in John, it is exactly the opposite (life is before light). Note how the darkness of John 1:5 is not the darkness of Genesis 1. Why would John the Baptizer be described in verse 6 of a Genesis creation account, etc., etc.? If you are interested, see this lecture: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnfZZGaIl9d9nLM

@ken440 6 ай бұрын

and the word spoken, written and prophesied promised a human messiah who God would bring forth, a seed of Eve, an heir of Abraham, a great one from among the Israelites, a shoot from the stump of Jesse, a son of David, a son of Solomon, a passover lamb, one of the flock, a second Adam. All that is there from the beginning God speaking the creation into being, and again at the beginning of the promises of redemption in the word of God. Gen3:15 at the beginning of the fall of Adam, the gentiles. Again at Deut18:18 the beginning of the age of Law of protection for Israel. And John ties it to the new beginning of the age we are currently in, the new creation, neither jew nor gentile, the creation of the new sons of God, raised in the same anointing (in christ) so much higher than angels. In the beginning was Gods word.

@neweyz3396 5 ай бұрын

@elimason7954 God is Always an INVISIBLE Holy Spirit Ghost who Because He Invisible Always Has His WORDS Within His INVISIBLE SELF Therefore God ALONE & By HIMSELF Is the INVISIBLE WORD who ALONE & By HIMSELF CREATED Everything No one was With Him When He ALONE & by Himself SPOKE the World Into Existence ! God Plainly Told us that He Knows No Other ( God ) Besides Him So who’s word would you Believe your’s or His ? I Believe the LORD God Almighty over anyone ! He even told Abraham that Because there is No one Else that be a Witness for Him that He would have to SWEAR an OATH to Abraham by Himself & so He Did !

@neweyz3396 5 ай бұрын

@elimason7954 Amen @elimason7954 God Bless !

@renaissancehick 2 ай бұрын

@@billschlegel1 that is just supposition and conjecture. It's the only way you can skew the verses to fit your narrative.

@loveofthetruth9398 Ай бұрын

The gospel of John uses the Greek word LOGOS to mean exactly the same thing throughout the book: NT:3056 Something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation. Any attempt to distort the word LOGOS to mean "Jesus" is an act of desperation, caused by a complete lack of any Biblical statement, description or explanation that clearly defines the trinity. John 1 is no exception, LOGOS merely means "God's words".

@billschlegel1 Ай бұрын

Hi. I suggest the man Christ Jesus so epitomized the word of God that the author, as he introduced his historical narrative about the man Christ Jesus, metaphorically introduced the man Christ Jesus as the Word. The author saw the power and revelation of God in the man Christ Jesus.

@loveofthetruth9398 Ай бұрын

@@billschlegel1 I heartily agree that Jesus epitomized the fulfillment of his God's words, and that John 1 is discussing the SPECIFIC fulfillment of God's words regarding Jesus coming into literal existence, and fulfilling all of God's words regarding Christ's ministry, but I do not read John 1 replacing LOGOS with Jesus. The 40 times LOGOS is used in John's epistle demonstrates how perfectly John stayed consistent in his meaning.

@renaissancehick 4 ай бұрын

Why is it so hard to believe that the God that created the universe couldn't come down in the form of a man to do what he set out to do? That's underestimating the omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence of the Lord.

@mohamedmehidi6316 4 ай бұрын

If we start believe that so we can imagine and have to accept god can be the devil or anything disgusting So that why it's better to think god can be only god and do things make him always unique and greater bigger better than anything he is up to everything

@renaissancehick 4 ай бұрын

@@mohamedmehidi6316 you can think that God can only be God, but if you can't understand the fact that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, and deny Jesus for who He really is and what He did for you, your salvation is in question. We must realize that God is God and we are created beings. We can't put our own anthropomorphic template on him. While we are in human form it will very hard for us to understand the characteristics of his being, so we must trust what the Word of God says in faith and not deny it.

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

its not hard to believe it as evident by the almost 1700 years of wrong believing, gnostic intrusion. Its just that its harder to stay on track as history and scripture tells us, as to other examples at Noahs flood, Babel, time of Jesus in Palestine, reformation, all show that religious majority was wrong at those events and the narrow minority position was correct while majority was wrong. That is a lesson from history and scripture, why should it be different now?

@renaissancehick 2 ай бұрын

@@ken440 There is plenty of scientific evidence proving the flood and in Jesus's time there was no such thing as Palestine. Look up the history of when the word Palestine started being used and in what context and you will begin to understand. You'll have better explain this premise of the religious majority and how they were wrong. Who were the "religious majority" for one, and what were they supposedly wrong about?

@mohamedmehidi6316 Ай бұрын

Tertullian of Carthage invented the Trinity This is not what first followers of the messiah did Messiah never proclaimed that Go try to learn more about what u are preaching Please the only true god guide you

@romans8vs14 4 ай бұрын

You said that the bible cant prove that Jesus is father God well here is the bible in Hebrew Israelite language and English language saying the same that Jesus is father God in New and old testament. John 12:44-45 Yochanan 12:44-45 Orthodox Jewish Bible 44 But Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach cried out, The ma’amin in me does not have emunah in me, but in the One having sent me. 45 And the one seeing me sees the One having sent me. John 12:44-45 King James Version 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 14:8-9 Yochanan 14:8-9 Orthodox Jewish Bible 8 Philippos says to him, Adoni, show us [Elohim] HaAv and it is enough for us. 9 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to Philippos, So long a time with you I am and you have not had da’as of me, Philippos? The one having seen me has seen [Elohim] HaAv John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:6-7 King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6-7 Yochanan 14:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me 7 If you have had da’as of me, also you will have had da’as of Avi. And from now on, you have had da’as of Him and have seen Him. Jesus being called God in the old testament by prophet Isaiah in Hebrew bible. Isaiah 7:14 Yeshayah 7:14 Orthodox Jewish Bible 14 Therefore Hashem Himself shall give you an ot (sign); Hinei, HaAlmah (the unmarried young virgin) shall conceive, and bear Ben, and shall call Shmo Immanu El (God is with us) Isaiah 9:6-7 Yeshayah 9:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty God), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). 7 (6) Of the increase of his misrah and shalom there shall be no ketz (end), upon the Kisse Dovid, and upon his kingdom, to strengthen it, and to support it with mishpat and with tzedakah from henceforth even ad olam (forever). The Kinat Hashem Tzva’os will fulfill this. Jesus/Yeshua calls himself the Alpha and the omega/ the ultimate in Hebrew Revelation 22:12-16 Hisgalus 22:12-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible 12 “Hinei, I am coming quickly, and My sachar (reward) is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 “I am the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The First) and HaAcharon (The Last), HaReshit (The Beginning) and HaTachlit (The Ultimate). 14 “Ashrey are the ones washing their kaftans, that they may have the right to the Etz HaChayyim (the Tree of Life) and they may enter by the she’arim (gates) into the city. 15 “Outside are the kelevim (dogs) and the mekhashfim (sorcerers, abusers of drugs; [T.N. the original language “pharmakoi” is where we derive the word for “drugs”; sorcerers often abused drugs to hallucinate or induce a passive state when they worked their magic and witchcraft; see and the zonim (sexually immoral) and the rotzkhim (murderers) and the ovdei haelilim (idolaters) and everyone loving and practicing sheker. 16 “I, Yeshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

You seem to take the wrong conclusion from each of your examples. These are about seeing the father "MANIFESTING IN" the son. Not actually being the son. And your last example the "root of David" does not mean a source of David, it means what it says in the next few words, an offspring, because (as some versions correctly interpret this) the reference is to a shoot or root sucker (as we call them today) where the metaphore speaks of a tree that shoots up from the roots of the parent tree. The example is a tree like David, one like and yet greater, but from the same stock as David (not being God Himself) !!

@ParaTroop82 6 ай бұрын

why would this bother him? if he does not believe it, loet it go. you will never change the mind of a faithful person. different beliefs is what makes us interesting

@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist 6 ай бұрын

The reason why we ask these questions is because Jesus said that eternal life is tied to ‘knowing the only true God (our Father) and Jesus Christ who He sent’. Jn 17:3 Jesus also told us that the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH Jn 4 So many Christians follow the traditions of men without knowing they are the traditions of men.

@ken440 6 ай бұрын

@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChristvery true. Thank you.

@romans8vs14 4 ай бұрын

You said that the bible cant prove that Jesus is father God well here is the bible in Hebrew Israelite language and English language saying the same that Jesus is father God in New and old testament. John 12:44-45 Yochanan 12:44-45 Orthodox Jewish Bible 44 But Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach cried out, The ma’amin in me does not have emunah in me, but in the One having sent me. 45 And the one seeing me sees the One having sent me. John 12:44-45 King James Version 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 14:8-9 Yochanan 14:8-9 Orthodox Jewish Bible 8 Philippos says to him, Adoni, show us [Elohim] HaAv and it is enough for us. 9 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to Philippos, So long a time with you I am and you have not had da’as of me, Philippos? The one having seen me has seen [Elohim] HaAv John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:6-7 King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6-7 Yochanan 14:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me 7 If you have had da’as of me, also you will have had da’as of Avi. And from now on, you have had da’as of Him and have seen Him. Jesus being called God in the old testament by prophet Isaiah in Hebrew bible. Isaiah 7:14 Yeshayah 7:14 Orthodox Jewish Bible 14 Therefore Hashem Himself shall give you an ot (sign); Hinei, HaAlmah (the unmarried young virgin) shall conceive, and bear Ben, and shall call Shmo Immanu El (God is with us) Isaiah 9:6-7 Yeshayah 9:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty God), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). 7 (6) Of the increase of his misrah and shalom there shall be no ketz (end), upon the Kisse Dovid, and upon his kingdom, to strengthen it, and to support it with mishpat and with tzedakah from henceforth even ad olam (forever). The Kinat Hashem Tzva’os will fulfill this. Jesus/Yeshua calls himself the Alpha and the omega/ the ultimate in Hebrew Revelation 22:12-16 Hisgalus 22:12-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible 12 “Hinei, I am coming quickly, and My sachar (reward) is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 “I am the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The First) and HaAcharon (The Last), HaReshit (The Beginning) and HaTachlit (The Ultimate). 14 “Ashrey are the ones washing their kaftans, that they may have the right to the Etz HaChayyim (the Tree of Life) and they may enter by the she’arim (gates) into the city. 15 “Outside are the kelevim (dogs) and the mekhashfim (sorcerers, abusers of drugs; [T.N. the original language “pharmakoi” is where we derive the word for “drugs”; sorcerers often abused drugs to hallucinate or induce a passive state when they worked their magic and witchcraft; see and the zonim (sexually immoral) and the rotzkhim (murderers) and the ovdei haelilim (idolaters) and everyone loving and practicing sheker. 16 “I, Yeshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

@Jerome-zq7bu 6 ай бұрын

IMO, GOD dwells in flesh, for he is spirit. The word became flesh, not GOD. the word is GOD because the HOLY SPIRIT is in him. Christ is the spirit that was on Jesus who is the flesh, this is why the scriptures say "this man" Jesus Christ is the mediator between GOD and flesh (man). for the glory of GOD would kill whoever gazed upon it so GOD dwells within flesh that is pure, to be able to interact with his creation.....( this is why you shouldn't defile the temple of the GOD)

@billschlegel1 6 ай бұрын

The man Jesus in the Gospel of John says that the God at work in him was the Father (John 14:6-20). Christ is the title of the human person, the human being, Jesus of Nazareth. Acts 2:22, 36

@Jerome-zq7bu 6 ай бұрын

@@billschlegel1 correct, Christ is a title that means Messiah. remember this - Jesus only gained the title of " the Christ" after he was baptized and THE SPIRIT defended upon him, before his baptism he was known as "Jesus of Nazareth", or the son of Joseph.

@romans8vs14 4 ай бұрын

You said that the bible cant prove that Jesus is father God well here is the bible in Hebrew Israelite language and English language saying the same that Jesus is father God in New and old testament. John 12:44-45 Yochanan 12:44-45 Orthodox Jewish Bible 44 But Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach cried out, The ma’amin in me does not have emunah in me, but in the One having sent me. 45 And the one seeing me sees the One having sent me. John 12:44-45 King James Version 44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. John 14:8-9 Yochanan 14:8-9 Orthodox Jewish Bible 8 Philippos says to him, Adoni, show us [Elohim] HaAv and it is enough for us. 9 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to Philippos, So long a time with you I am and you have not had da’as of me, Philippos? The one having seen me has seen [Elohim] HaAv John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:6-7 King James Version 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6-7 Yochanan 14:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 Rebbe, Yeshua HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me 7 If you have had da’as of me, also you will have had da’as of Avi. And from now on, you have had da’as of Him and have seen Him. Jesus being called God in the old testament by prophet Isaiah in Hebrew bible. Isaiah 7:14 Yeshayah 7:14 Orthodox Jewish Bible 14 Therefore Hashem Himself shall give you an ot (sign); Hinei, HaAlmah (the unmarried young virgin) shall conceive, and bear Ben, and shall call Shmo Immanu El (God is with us) Isaiah 9:6-7 Yeshayah 9:6-7 Orthodox Jewish Bible 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty God), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). 7 (6) Of the increase of his misrah and shalom there shall be no ketz (end), upon the Kisse Dovid, and upon his kingdom, to strengthen it, and to support it with mishpat and with tzedakah from henceforth even ad olam (forever). The Kinat Hashem Tzva’os will fulfill this. Jesus/Yeshua calls himself the Alpha and the omega/ the ultimate in Hebrew Revelation 22:12-16 Hisgalus 22:12-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible 12 “Hinei, I am coming quickly, and My sachar (reward) is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 “I am the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The First) and HaAcharon (The Last), HaReshit (The Beginning) and HaTachlit (The Ultimate). 14 “Ashrey are the ones washing their kaftans, that they may have the right to the Etz HaChayyim (the Tree of Life) and they may enter by the she’arim (gates) into the city. 15 “Outside are the kelevim (dogs) and the mekhashfim (sorcerers, abusers of drugs; [T.N. the original language “pharmakoi” is where we derive the word for “drugs”; sorcerers often abused drugs to hallucinate or induce a passive state when they worked their magic and witchcraft; see and the zonim (sexually immoral) and the rotzkhim (murderers) and the ovdei haelilim (idolaters) and everyone loving and practicing sheker. 16 “I, Yeshua sent My malach (angel) to give solemn eidus (testimony) to you of these things, for the Kehillot. I am the Shoresh (root) and the offspring of Dovid, the Kokhav HaShachar.

@claudiozanella256 5 ай бұрын

Yes, God became flesh. Jesus - who is a non-almighty God - existed in heaven even before his human experience. He became flesh when He was incarnated and then He went again to heaven. He is the ONLY KING of heaven. Trinity does not exist.

@scottsponaas 2 ай бұрын

You are engaging in misleading semantics. Yes, one out of the three persons of God, took on human flesh and a human nature. It’s not as if He simply stopped being God or threw away His divine form/nature, He merely chose to step into the world as a human being to pay for our sins. Paul even backs this up in Philippians 2:5-8 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. The Bible is abundantly clear that there is one God, and that God exists as three distinct yet united persons: the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

the bible does not say that. Scripture tells us a man did this, a last Adam who was obedient, and a man is raised and a man is mediator between all men and God. Nowhere does it talk about one person of a trio.

@scottsponaas 2 ай бұрын

@@ken440 I literally just shared a verse that points out that He existed in the form of God🤦🏻‍♂️ There’s also Revelation 1:8: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty!'" • Jesus refers to Himself as the Alpha and the Omega, titles associated with God. And yes, it does refer to 3 persons bearing record in heaven 1 John 5:7 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

@@scottsponaas existed in the FORM of God. Like the passover was a FORM of the ultimate shedding of the blood of Gods lamb. Like God manifesting in the man Jesus. Like Adam, made in the LIKENESS of God, in the IMAGE, which is to be a representative, an IMAGER of the unseen spirit. Like we as christians are also in the FORM (in the image) of our God. The alpha and omega you quoted is "the Lord God" as stated there in the text. Who "was and is and is to come." We are viewing God almighty, as we was of old, is presently, and is yet to come (this is not the return of Jesus before the millenium reign, this is God most high who returns at end of millenium, Rev21/22. "Alpha and omega" is an expression of completeness, fullness of something, its not a name, we say A to Z, or root to leaf. Jesus also says it "beginning and end" because God is A to Z of the plan and implementing of redemption of creation. Jesus is A to Z of the hands on work of that plan. And that should be the A to Z of what I should need to say about that!

@ken440 2 ай бұрын

@@scottsponaas John 5:7 is understood by all of theological academia to be a verse inserted recently, within the dark ages period, at the very least it is a disputed verse and not included in modern bibles, nor is it in any of the early greek manuscripts. If you dont believe me do a google search on it and read others opinions.

@billschlegel1 Ай бұрын

Hi. Philippians 2 describes the mind of the man Christ Jesus. To attribute his attitude and obedience to anyone else dishonors the man Christ Jesus, and dishonors the God who exalted him.

@euston2216 6 ай бұрын

"...the Word *was made [ginomai]* flesh..." Strong's G1096 - ginomai 3. to arise, *appear in history,* come upon the stage "the Word": *God* "was made": *made his appearance within our space-time continuum* "flesh": *in genuine, flesh-and-blood human form* 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy *great* is the *mystery* of godliness: *GOD was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God IS God the Father manifested in genuine human form.

@charlestiraco8634 6 ай бұрын

It says "the word," not God was made flesh. God was manifest... how does that actually make Jesus God? Jesus made his Father known... Jesus declared God. Manifest, image, form... none of these terms mean Jesus IS God. You won't find one scripture of Jesus saying "I am God," nor anyone truly saying "Jesus is God." Why do you think that is?

@euston2216 6 ай бұрын

@@charlestiraco8634 Why did Jesus not go around boasting, "I am God! I am God!"? Because he had a job to do: to humble himself and lay down his own life for us. And even IF Jesus had said word-for-word "I am God", -Biblical- Unitarians would explain it away: _"Oh, that's just God speaking through a created human being."_ ---------- There's only one true God: the Father. And he - the one true God, the Father - "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, *as **_his own_** Son,* so that he could lay down _his own_ life for us, raise _himself_ from the dead, and give eternal life to all who believe on _him_ .......whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*

@billschlegel1 6 ай бұрын

Hi, I think that you are claiming, like creedal byzantine Christianity that still is mainstream Christian doctrine today, that there never was a human person, Jesus of Nazareth. What you are claiming is that a God person merely possessed a human body (for a little while), but no human person Jesus ever came to be, and is not now.

@euston2216 6 ай бұрын

@@billschlegel1 _>>> "What you are claiming is that a God person merely possessed a human body..."_ There are probably "Oneness" proponents who believe that, but I don't. I don't believe "flesh was made for the Word". I believe "the Word was made flesh". _>>> "I think that you are claiming...that there never was a human person, Jesus of Nazareth."_ I do not believe "the man Christ Jesus" is a created human person. I believe "the man Christ Jesus" is the genuinely human manifestation of the eternal, unipersonal Spirit whom the bible calls "God". *REVELATION 22 (KJV)* [3] And there shall be no more curse: but *the throne of God and of the Lamb* shall be in it; and *his* servants shall serve *him:* [4] And they shall see *his* face; and *his* name shall be in their foreheads. The singular throne belongs to God and the Lamb...but if *God and the Lamb* are two distinct persons, then *"his/him"* in Revelation 22:3-4 should actually be "their/them". But that's not the case. (Also, *God and Christ* are a singular *"him"* in Rev.20:6, and *our Lord and his Christ* are a singular *"he"* in Rev.11:15.) I believe in one unipersonal "he/him/his" Spirit who can be simultaneously present in multiple levels of existence, of which one would be a genuinely human level of existence.

@billschlegel1 5 ай бұрын

@@euston2216 Thanks for the clarification.