God's Not Dead 2: The Escalation of Christian Propaganda | Big Joel

[@ravivdlin9412]

"In the name of tolerance and diversity I say we destroy her" real subtle writing guys

[@taski1]

scary accurate now, though. It's just not coming from the people they want it to come from.

[@robnor1029]

@@emetrxgaming3480 you should seek help for that stroke you apparently endured whilst writing your comment. At least then you have an appropriate excuse for saying something so insanely idiotic

[@supermutantsam1160]

I honestly wish they jut went all in and had him say something like “I proclaim to be tolerant, and yet, I am intolerant of intolerance. What a hypocrite I have revealed myself to be!” just so the little evangelical kiddies can follow along

[@jnyerere]

Subtlety is not a strong suit for these people.

[@TheAngryXenite]

@Blaster Master Tolerance doesn't mean the same thing we mean in modern times in that phrase. Aristotle said "tolerance," but he meant "complacency." (Ie not tolerance of, say, religious minorities, but closer to tolerance for pain or suffering) If you think Aristotle was complaining about those damned Hellenic libtards and their acceptance of minorities, you don't know a damn thing about Ancient Greece. Most places were rather massively xenophobic, so it's unlikely anyone in Greece would adopt acceptance of foreigners as a virtue for their philosophers to criticize.

[@nateputerbaugh5709]

The funniest part of this film is them pretending that anyone in Alabama would sue if someone was teaching the bible in the classroom

[@selfcompassionate]

exactly

[@chalkkish]

Yeah honestly

[@seandevine5836]

This comment has 666 likes right now so i refuse to like it

[@HelvetioJRGaming]

@@seandevine5836 you can come back and like it now

[@smolclaire2697]

wait the setting for this movie is alabama? i honestly thought it was arkansas because of the arkansas flags in the court room and it made me laugh thinking about a case in arkansas of christians being prosecuted for speaking their beliefs when we literally have a law here in arkansas that lets christians discriminate against LGBTQ people on the basis of their beliefs... its just so opposite of how arkansas actually is lol

[@thevoidlord1796]

"Love your enemy" *The previous movie* : Athiest teacher is hit by a car, and this is framed as a good thing. Islam is evil.

[@Maksie0]

They should make another God's Not Dead movie about the good Christian motorist who just goes around killing atheists with his car to save their souls.

[@regularguy2807]

Islam is evil but then again so is Christianity.

[@Scanny524]

@@Maksie0 God's Not Dead 4: Jesus Takes the Wheel

[@Yash-lx5xr]

@@regularguy2807 both religions are completely fine

[@christopherobrien6352]

@@regularguy2807 no religion is inherently evil but Evil people use religion in evil ways.

[@monicajohnston8034]

I love how oppression according to Christians is just not being able to push their beliefs on others. Like no one is telling you that you can't believe in God or you can't go to church--you aren't oppressed.

[@LoisyAbigail]

This is so true. Having grown up in a dominantly Christian city, one of the doctrines ingrained in us is to "go out and spread the word - no matter what". I've long since become an agnostic, but you can't find me trying to convert others just for the LOLs. Man I hope my parents don't attribute my depression to my agnosticism.

[@zawardo2229]

@@LoisyAbigailIf they say that then say you're depressed because you were Christian for so long

[@curatedhub263]

THIS!!!! I wish this was Reddit so I could save this glorious comment!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@yourladbrennen3130]

@@curatedhub263 you could always screenshot it (:

[@pheonix5597]

1:48 - well, if they were already discussing MARTIN LUTHER KING then its not like the subject of GOD and RELIGION were IRRELEVANT. After all, HE happened to be a RELIGIOUS guy. Hell, he was even a REVEREND and GOD does figure quite a bit in his famous speeches (like "My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the LORD" for example).

[@johnfriday5169]

You missed my favorite part. When the teacher's attorney put her on the stand and without her knowledge or consent proceeds to break attorney/client privilege. First Movie= A philosophy professor that doesn't understand philosophy. Second movie= a judge and two attorneys that don't understand the law.

[@maxxvii2037]

I guess christians don't really know a lot things

[@MalcH]

Lmaooo that is hilarious... maybe it’s a way to make the attorney a “martyr” too since certainly breaking this privilege would cause him to be disbarred, or at least censured heavily at minimum. The narrative could’ve tried to twist him into a fictitious “martyr” this way! 😂

[@hecdavid11]

@@maxxvii2037 Coming from a Christian: I profoundly dislike these movies because of 2 main reasons: (1) They spread some very dangerous ideas and concepts about Christianity and atheism (2) They're made by pastors who think they're good filmmakers. *They're not.* And I see Christians praising their film like it's a work of art... No it's not! They have no idea what they're doing!

[@justsam7919]

@@hecdavid11 when the first movie came out my parents bought it and made us watch. I think we made it 15 minutes in, I had to leave because of the cringe. All 7 of my siblings and I have apostasized now, most of us at that point were on the edge of apostasizing. Our parents thought these movies would bring us back or something but nah, they're just awfully cringe. At the time I was still a Christian when the first movie came out, shortly after became a believer in a deistict god. Pureflix failed because their movies only work as an echo chamber for everybody on the same page as they are. For anybody else, it's a giant turn off and an absolute cringe fest. I wouldn't say these movies single handedly made me stop going to church, but they definitely contributed in a meaningful way.

[@hecdavid11]

@@justsam7919 I understand what you're saying about the movie. The first time I saw it I was very young and I fell for a lot of the stuff in it. Upon rewatching it, I realized how catastrophic these movies are trying to accomplish a task of evangelism. You're an example, the thing did the complete opposite and made you eventually turn away from God, which I can understand. That said, I'm still a Christian who believes in Jesus and it makes me sad that you apostasized, I hope someday you get to know Jesus and see that He really isn't the God these movies show, He's much much better than that. All in all, nobody has the right to shove it down your throat, but I really wish you decide to give Him a chance someday

[@je19662008]

Evangelicals get off on the belief that they're being persecuted because it justifies their "holier than thou" attitude and makes them feel like they're walking in "the righteous path of jeezus."

[@woweewow4323]

je19662008 exactly. Very hypocritical, they still act like it’s 64 AD when they aren’t any better.

[@Entropicembrace]

@Vulpes Inculta Yea, every conservative ive met.

[@gsnaponfire]

je19662008 speaking as a former christian, I definitely believed the world was against me, which was weird because I have always been an optimist who believed individual people did care about each other regardless of their beliefs, they were just misguidedly following a worldview at war with christianity.

[@yosquispie159]

I hate all the “I’m being persecuted” Christians, living in the US. The only Christians being persecuted are like missionaries in Christian hostile countries

[@MonicaCarden]

They think they are persecuted because not everyone is gonna act like they want them to act and because they want to put their beliefs in politics but cant (not entirely thankfully) "Ahhhh I'm being persecuted because I cant make homosexuality and abortion illegal"

[@useroffline9999]

“Everyone knows she’s a Christian...it makes everyone feel awkward ” the teacher lady says in a southern accent...a place from which most people are Christian and conservative . Why would she be made uncomfortable by Christians if she grew up in the south? This is just another ridiculous stretch of the persecution complex

[@SnakeMan448]

There's this bizarre thing with persecution complex Christians. Somehow the USA isn't majority Christian and that there aren't any aggressive Christian movements and politicians trying to push their "values" (read: discrimination and abuse) into government.

[@jnyerere]

Every Marginalized Group: We just wanna be treated like human beings. White Christian Southerners: We just wanna be oppressed.

[@chrism8180]

I mean I guess those who live in Alabama basically have to believe in God to cope with the fact that they live in a poverty stricken corrupt hellhole

[@useroffline9999]

CzarJuliusIII LMAO 😂

[@DavidCurryFilms]

As a Christian it REALLY bothers me that these American Christian movies have such a reductionist view of atheists, LGBTQ, Muslims etc. It kind of betrays a lack of understanding as to why people who don't hold their beliefs have made that choice (if you'd call it a conscious choice). Maybe they grew up in a toxic church, maybe they were abused by a priest, maybe they couldn't handle the hypocrisy of the evangelical right etc (these scenarios could make an appearance if the movie were remotely honest) For one thing - making them look stupid or nasty is hardly the kind of attitude that would make a non believer think "yeah, I can trust these people". Another thing is the relentless pursuit by some to backpedal or muddy the waters of science, instead of dealing with the implications of new scientific understanding (evolution, geology, astrophysics). By trying to empirically prove God's existence at every opportunity you leave no room for faith 🙈

[@Katie-hj5eb]

One interesting thing about this is that they reversed how the trial would work. It makes absolutely no sense for the school to sue the teacher, there is nothing to gain from that. Instead they would fire her for not agreeing to keep religion out of the class and the teacher would have to sue the school. Of course that would make Christian the big shadowy organization and can't have that.

[@hoppytoad79]

If she's tenured, they'd have to deal with the union and that would be A Thing, but other than that...

[@Katie-hj5eb]

@@hoppytoad79 yeah but the union would still be the one suing the school in that scenario

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@Katie-hj5eb Culture is literally changing and Media reflects that but Media is also the Cause, cause it's all symbiotic. For example, Quotes from the 12.Doctor: "Oh, the Mechanized Space-Suits malfunction and attack us? That's funny cause that means we're like Anyone-else Everywhere-else: We're fighting the Suit!" 12.Doctor:"What makes you feel so superior? It it the good House? But Human-Progress isnt measured by Industry, it's measured by looking at a Life. An unimportant Life... a life without privilege. 13.Doctor: "OMG, OMG, OMG, have you heard of Space-Amazon? Amazon is so epic, everyone who disagrees with that is a literal PIG. We should all stop criticizing Amazon forever." I kid you not, they said that. Holy Penguin, wtf.

[@jeremyf6821]

⁠@@Katie-hj5ebHahaha, that’s so funny. A union? In Alabama?

[@Arlothed1no]

My teacher in a secular school said that I could cure my OCD by praying and that I wasn't autistic, just "possessed". And she didn't get fired.

[@807D14M0ND5]

No follow up at all??

[@Arlothed1no]

@@807D14M0ND5 No

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@Arlothed1no That's a disgrace. I don't know how old you are but maybe it's worth it to discuss this with your parents. Perhaps their complaint will be looked at..

[@Arlothed1no]

@@807D14M0ND5 I'm in college. I give no fucks about that school anymore.

[@Tigershark_3082]

That's a fucking bruh moment

[@psychobillyboschit]

"Let's say I talk about the Quran" Ominous music builds

[@littlefieryone2825]

"You're beautiful." *doodle-do*

[@altromonte15]

@@littlefieryone2825 Imagine the same scene with a nun, "you're beautiful, you shouldn't cover yourself and live in a monastery, being a nun is wrong." christians would be the ones outraged in a matter of minutes.

[@DanCicala]

@@altromonte15 Nuns are mostly a Catholic thing, so evangelicals wouldn't hesitate for a second to shit on it.

[@tim..indeed]

It's at 9:05

[@gobarn1877]

@@tim..indeed thanks

[@eatfrenchtoast]

Love thy enemy. Unless you're making a movie. Then go nuts with dishonest arguments and bad-faith political narrative.

[@hannavignolo6454]

f the enemy

[@ChrisTopherBunnell]

@@hannavignolo6454 go back to bingo grandma.

[@ChrisTopherBunnell]

@@hannavignolo6454 f old farts that create enemies where they don't exist and send the younger generation to invade and kill innocents. You are >not welcome< for my service (iraq)

[@maxskellington910]

@@ChrisTopherBunnell I mean I agree with you but what does this have to do with anyone.

[@mugogrog]

@@Daniel-mw7pu That's interesting :p it's like conservative views and christian fundamentalism have somehow been intertwined (damn you Reagan...). Seriously though, if you take the democrat party platform on gun control and read them off to most reasonable gun lovers they'll agree with every single thing. I've tried this on many of my republican friends. As a fun experiment you can then do the same thing but specifically mention that they are Democrat policies and every single one you ask will all of a sudden disagree. It's magical. Do try at home.

[@rvank8037]

I'm a Christian and this movie greatly concerned me. Watched it with Christian family and afterwards I asked them if they thought it was realistic and they said "yes"! So the propaganda works. It should be noted that the movie concludes with a long list of cases regarding Christianity in schools, giving the viewers proof that this persecution is "real". When you look them up they are mostly small instances where students fought to have a Bible study club or something like that. Not one teacher fired.

[@JarodFarrant]

Reality gonna hit theme hard especially when they met Christina who don’t see it their way. I’ve read Christian’s who levied these crap 💩 flicks and were humbled when they went into the real world and met different people.

[@PebkioNomare]

The ironic part is that if she weren't such a devout, blind, worshiper, she'd see the much more obvious "I was talking about Jesus in a historical context" defense.

[@james-cal]

Pebkio Nomare this movie dumb as shit

[@datmexboi2121]

Bruh moment

[@jayr3id_]

Exactly

[@tristonanan]

God's Not Dead: A teacher shouldn't talk about their own religious beliefs in the classroom, or even hint at it. God's Not Dead 2: Unless that teacher is an evangelical Christian!

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 if you believe in nothing than you believe in something

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 if you believe that there is no creator that is a belief that is how that works, you have a belief regardless whether or not you think you do or not

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 ?, Wha... no. I have no idea where you got that.

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 yeah therefore atheists have a belief

[@samuelmerrin1604]

@@0Abraham16 on another note it didn't explode it expanded rapidly yes there different

[@jamestown8398]

Is the atheist lawyer really named Peter Cain? I imagine the screenplay writing included a conversation like this: Writer 1: "We still need a name for the evil atheist Lawyer." Writer 2: "How about Peter Iscariot?" Writer 1: "Too on the nose; we should be subtle." Writer 2: "How about Peter Cain? Like Cain who slew Abel?" Writer 1: "Sure, that works!"

[@bazstrutt8247]

Jamestown 😂😂

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

Given that he was basically playing Leland Palmer's private life, is it really that surprising what his name is?

[@msmaria5039]

Christians are not known to be subtle.

[@ozmarichardson6524]

@@geoffreysorkin5774 I'm so curious why he took this role. Power corrupts I suppose.

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

@@ozmarichardson6524 Because he'll take any role that offers a paycheck. Seriously, look at Ray Wise's IMDB. He's a less prolific Eric Roberts. Speaking of which, when the hell is Eric Roberts going to be too good for PureFlix movie and outclass the rest of the actors and the writing?

[@mr16325]

I like how the first move gets mad at an atheist teacher pushing his view on the class, but makes a movie praising a teacher for pushing her theist views

[@nateclipps]

RIGHT

[@hoppytoad79]

Makes total sense when you consider the source of the movies: Conservative Christians. A Big Nasty Atheist is TOTALLY different from a Sweet, Harmless Christian! ;) The teacher wasn't aggressively pushing her views in the second film, not that you'd know that from how the school reacted. *rolls eyes* No school would do that IRL, of course--wouldn't try to sue her or to fire her, or anything, because contrary to what the Constitutionally-ignorant believe, answering a student's question with a Scripture quotation that's relevant to the lesson isn't illegal. Discussing Hinduism in relation to Gandhi wouldn't be illegal. Comparing and contrasting Christianity and Hinduism is totally legal. If the teacher assigned an essay on why Christianity is superior to Hinduism (or vice versa), *that* would be illegal/unconstitutional, because it's promoting one religion over another.

[@a.holland2262]

I ship the "god is good" minister guys. They're so cute, smiling at each other

[@anxietyyeet9859]

Dont say that Westboro Baptist Church will come for you

[@gezi5927]

anxiety yeet you’re no fun

[@CriscoSnowflake]

My favorite KZbinrs refer to these two as the Biracial pastoral bromance lol

[@chesspiece4257]

Abigail Bird who are the youtubers?

[@CriscoSnowflake]

@@chesspiece4257 Hannah and Jake

[@MechMK1]

This is how this scene would play out in real life: Girl: "Isn't that kinda like what Jesus said?" Teacher: "Yes, the idea of 'loving your enemies' indicates a strong commitment to non-violence. Good point. Anyways, where were we? Ah yes, 1916..."

[@skygard49]

Something similar happened in one of my classes

[@humanguyalsoperson7987]

yeah no one would go out of there way to quote the whole thing i mean one of the times i was talking abought religion in math with my friends we were distracting our selves but the teacher was so hesitant to interject at all and tell us to quite down

[@somethingelse4424]

Yes, it would be incredibly easy to teach a history lesson that included Jesus, and historically verified regional events around his lifetime. We could have public school curriculum that addressed the claims of the gospels, and compared them with what is verified by historians and archaeologists, but I suspect that's not what Christians want. I also suspect that it would be even more upsetting to them that their children were being taught to think critically about the scriptures and at the idea that they are not a credible or comprehensive source that are verified and can be considered fact.

[@MilloSpiegel]

@@somethingelse4424 well in my religioun class in high school we went through different evidence of Jesus. We read a letter written by a jewish priest about a man teaching the words of god and claiming to be the son of god. We read a letter from a roamn about a rebellion that was squashed and we read about a letter written by a roman that is best summarized as "There is a weird sect of jews here. They meet every week and talk about there god. We tried beating them until they swore they would not follow there king. Then we found out that it is more of a symbolic king. So we leave them alone. For the most part"

[@somethingelse4424]

@@MilloSpiegel Well, any of those things would be fine by me in a public school curriculum. Those historical accounts themselves don't imply that Jesus was the son of God or that he had any supernatural abilities. They should be presented in the same way that historical accounts of Muhammad would also be, that they were influential figures that started enormous movements and impacted the course of history. Teachers should not suggest or imply without very compelling evidence that any such person spoke to God, that there is a particular God to speak to, or that anyone in history actually performed miracles, or feats that defy physics, and that are unverifiable beyond the testimony of others at the time. Things like that should not be suggested to be true by teachers and certainty not taught as fact. I have no problem teaching these things as "claims made by historical figures", so long as there is adequate context presented.

[@bunnynumbers9153]

The plot of this movie is pretty funny considering my biology teacher at a public high school didn't "believe" in evolution and said gay people were possessed by demons. He's one of the most popular teachers at the school.

[@Starman256]

a biologist who doesnt believe in evolution is like a geologist who doesnt believe in tectonic plates. Just embarrassing.

[@AspireGMD]

@@Starman256 Late but or a botanist not believing plants exist.

[@Demiglitch]

@@AspireGMD Big Chlorophyll at work again.

[@aguyontheinternet8436]

DUDE. I'll do you one better since I was taught in a christian school, I have had two biology teachers and one chemistry teacher who denounced evolution. Man, that chem teacher was crazy. He took an entire class period to talk about how the the end times were upon us, and soon the antichrist would descend upon us and rebuild the jewish temple and everyone is gonna be living through the rapture and holy crap man I just wanna learn about atoms.

[@rambofan334]

@@AspireGMD Or a dentist not believing in tooth decay.

[@kevley26]

Yet they would never talk about MLK's advocacy for policies like ending poverty. Classic evangelical Republicans.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

Or his super early anti-vietnam war activities

[@lonesavior]

Patch Adams couldn't even keep that advocacy in his movies.

[@zedudedaniel]

Or his support of socialism.

[@ClassSolidarityNotNationality]

It's cause they love to whitewash him and what he stood for. Ironically if he was alive today they would hate him, because he's a socialist.

[@mrknarf4438]

@@ClassSolidarityNotNationality and because he said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." There's no room for that in today's propaganda: you have to judge by skin colour, the only difference is that now being white is wrong. We're trying to fight racism by being racists against another race, it's so idiotic

[@sniffthecactusduh]

Did... did they think Jefferson came up with "separation of Church and State"? It actually stems from this thing called 'the French Revolution' and it became a big hit afterwards.

[@Overquoted]

Every time I hear a Christian denouncing this, I want to throw my hands in the air. They've listened to so much ridiculous propaganda about the secular world actively wanting to destroy Christianity that they lack any knowledge of history. Jefferson and Madison, iirc, were also concerned about politicians using the church to wield power (ie, if you don't back me, then you aren't part of the congregation anymore), and the inherent corruption of the church that would entail (because even back then, politicians and men seeking power were viewed with distrust and distaste). Prayer in school is not banned. Prayer led by principals or teachers, however, is. How would an Evangelical feel if they moved somewhere and their kid had to listen to a Catholic or Jewish prayer led by the principal every morning? Bet they'd be real mad.

[@AV57]

Good point. A lot of American Christians are under the belief that classical liberalism was solely a North American invention. Jefferson’s time as an American diplomat to France played huge role in his political philosophy that kept America from running off the rails in their most vulnerable years when many revolutions wind up spawning several other counter revolutions.

[@flrnGM]

... you got your timeline wrong ...

[@dallasbernhoester500]

The French Revolution occurred after Jefferson and other founding fathers included the separation of Church in state in the US constitution

[@jennyanydots2389]

Yeah, but then they fucked it all up because they're French. Good point though, if you were to ask a random person in America they wouldn't know. As far as the dudes questioning the time line..... F revolution went down in 1789, Thommy Jefferson dropped his 'seperation of church and state' line in 1802. He was a US diplomat over there during the revolution so it makes perfect sense.

[@gaillewis5472]

The premise is ridiculous. MLK's Christian principles were the basis for his stance in the civil rights movement. Yes, its historical context is discussed in classrooms. We simply aren't permitted to say, "Here's what I believe and so should you."

[@adamguajardo1853]

She never said that or implied it. She mentioned historical facts and they happened to involve God.

[@someonelastname7542]

It's funny because I went to a small town school where teachers would actually say "this is what I believe and so should you" and literally nothing happened. This movie is complete fantasy

[@theocean1973]

Yes, but MLK was also largely inspired by both the Jain Buddhists’ and Ghandi’s nonviolent activism.

[@maxwellkelly4667]

Islam shifts the focus to God as well, except it doesn’t actually teach that religion should be compelled on someone. Evangelicals try to compel religion.

[@guacamolebasedterror]

Atheists irl: "Yeah, y'know, I just never really believed in a god. You can believe what you want though." Atheists in Christian movies: "I HATE JESUS, AND WE'RE GONNA USE OUR POWER IN THE SECULAR SYSTEM TO BAN CHRISTIANITY AND CONTROL YOUR MINDS"

[@izd4]

atheists in christian movies are so much funnier than the real us

[@mrboerger1620]

Which is ironic because Christians have more power than atheists well anyone religious.

[@brandonallen2369]

This comment is gold

[@noel090909]

But if there’s no straw man, it’s not a fundie Christian propaganda film.

[@brandonallen2369]

@@noel090909 truer words have never been spoken

[@TheZeroNeonix]

Movie 1: Evil atheist teacher pushes his religious views on his students. Movie 2: Good Christian teacher pushes her religious views on her students.

[@stellaraevum799]

TheZeroNeonix Except neither occurred.

[@stellaraevum799]

John Daedalus That's what they would have you believe but in the first movie the teacher was not an atheist because he believed in a god and in the 2nd movie the teacher did not push her religious beliefs, she was just talking about religious beliefs in a historical context.

[@stellaraevum799]

John Daedalus Yeah, the 1st one seems to make the claim that all atheists believe in the Christian God but hate him. Which would mean they would not be atheists by definition.

[@stateyourthesis]

Christianity = hypocrisy

[@matthew_natividad]

Stellar Aevum n some but hurt parent took it to court

[@exileexecutus]

Imagine how ppl would react to a movie called Allah's not dead. LOL

[@chadthundercock4806]

It would start a civil war.

[@marcusrandall4432]

@Luna Lovegood Allahu Akbar 2

[@nongamer1157]

the makers of sharknado haven't made this movie yet?

[@ceggert128]

Lol. You're right. They can't do it BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE MUHAMMEDS REMAINS ARE; THEREFORE CANNOT MAKE THAT KIND OF STATEMENT. JESUS, ON THE OTHER HAND ROSE AGAIN FOR SINNERS AND ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM. THIS MAKES HIM WHAT? OH YEAH.......NOT DEAD!

[@Sealedaway]

Catherine Eggert Uh, are you aware that Muhammed isn’t a god? Muslims believe he spoke to God, not that he is God. Also, turn off you caps lock

[@PocketSizedAna]

The major issue of this movie is that it portrays situations that are not even near reality. Christians are not persecuted in the West. Actually, it's quite the other way around. It looks awfully alike kids who beat up their younger brothers; and the brothers give them a small slap to defend themselves, so the older ones start yelling and crying for mom's help

[@Twilight3146]

Ana Andreasi for your example of the brother I think you have the roles reversed.

[@oceanusprocellarum6853]

@@Twilight3146 Maybe that was part of the point? Or maybe I'm reading too much into this lmao

[@goddepersonno3782]

American evangelicals have ruined our reputation. I'm telling you now, we're not all like that

[@goddepersonno3782]

I have done some more research and just thinking about this subject in general. And I would say that while there is no outright persecution, Christians are under incredible social pressure to not share their faith, and are looked down on for practicing it. Science has been distorted to the point where it is used asked a weapon against theology. In many senses, low level social pressure like we have in the west is worse than in other countries with restrictive religious regulations, because the people pushing us down can claim that they are morally justified in doing so, and we can believe them.

[@TheXMan]

Ethan Young what she was saying was that Christianity is “more powerful” than other religions but still played victim when the others were just defending themselves.

[@GonzoCiosain]

My 8th grade (public school) teacher told us on Halloween that "thousands of babies will be sacrificed tonight by Satanists" in complete seriousness. Nothing ever came of THAT outlandish statement, so this movie's whole premise is ridiculous.

[@imstandingrightbehindyou.6987]

Nick Roeding Should have said "Love to see that movie,When it is starting?".In my country(a muslim country) people say more stupid things than this.

[@elipetrou9308]

wait, what the fuck. that sounds like something I'd say while playing fucking dungeons and dragons. that's comedy gold

[@metroplexprime9901]

@@imstandingrightbehindyou.6987 Assert your dominance. Just say "tasty".

[@sethnmarshall]

That hilarious because their god let millions of babies be sacrificed in the New Testament. So if god did it wouldn’t a cult doing it be Christians and not satanist?

[@rovelfox7832]

I'm christain, and I think I can easily say the hardest part of being christain is other christains. Every time I've ever been persecuted for my beliefs it's been by fundamentalist christains

[@santiagogarzon5312]

same man. I've told my family that I'd literally rather have my kids be Jewish than some other forms of Christianity (I'm Catholic)

[@GMNGChristian]

Exact opposite for me. Everytime I've been harrassed or anything even close to persecution is either from militant atheists (just look at this comment section) or people who say they're Christians while getting it all wrong, but screeching at me for holding to Christ's teachings as best I can.

[@she7061]

Losat of the Lord and what are the teachings you follow? are they the ones that promote tolerance and love, or do you subscribe to the vengeful god who for some reason hates gay people? the Bible can be interpreted different ways, so “adhering to Christ’s teachings” is a very broad statement

[@GMNGChristian]

@@she7061 I follow the teachings of Christ (and no, that's not a broad statement; your way would be like sitting in class and re-interpreting what your teacher is saying to fit what you want them to say instead of what they're actually saying, then putting a '10' in front of the zero on your paper so you got 100% instead of failing). If you think "tolerance and love" are either interchangeable or go hand-in-hand then you misunderstand. Would you be tolerant of pedophilia? No? Well that's not very loving of you, is it? If you _are_ tolerant of it, then you're not being very loving to the child-victims of it. The Bible cannot be interpreted different ways when it's being literal. There are only a few books that are open for interpretation (Revelation being one of them), most of the Bible is literal in it's hisoricity and can only be interpreted one way: It's intended meaning. God does not hate gay people "for some reason"; it's been made incredibly clear that we're all sinful and all fall short - don't single gay people out as if they're worse than you - you're just as bad, and so am I. The 'love' that Christ offered was Him telling the truth of everyone's sin and their eternal punishment for it, yet He provided a perfect sacrifice of atonement because we wouldn't be able to. In that sacrifice the punishment for sin is fulfilled. _THAT_ is the love of Christ; not encouraging people to be in perpetual debauchery and hurting others.

[@fendrikdrake3320]

@@GMNGChristian so what you're saying is that it's ok to have slaves. That it's a sin to shave one's head and beard. To stone mediums or children who don't listen to their parents is the right thing to do, by the way I hope you dont wear clothes made out of two kinds of materials, because that's forbidden. The problem, my dude, is that the bible is very long and contains some things you might not know about. And it is sure as fuck not meant to be taken literally.

[@BakedValkyrie42]

I actually laughed out loud when that guy was like "in the name of inclusion and diversity, I say we DESTROY HER" yes this is a believable person who could exist in real life

[@alastorlapid2365]

It's really just so funny that there are absolutely 0 shits given by Scrappy about Grace keeping her job and not being sued into poverty.

[@rustyshackle8000]

This guy is a fucking Shonen villain, I actually find it hilarious how over the top it is Or I would if ya know, it didn't push Evangelist rhetoric

[@user-uv2cp1qd1j]

@@rustyshackle8000 it’s like that fucking Alex jones clip where he thinks all leftist politicians worship demons and he’s like “destroy the child, corrupt them all”

[@ALurkingGrue]

There is a thing in modern Evangelicals where people really want to believe they are oppressed. It's kinda bizarre from an outsider perspective to see.

[@christianali5431]

ALurkingGrue because we do get persecuted.

[@bladesmann7593]

I think it's because religion is entangled with conservatism. The "Protestant Evangelical persecution complex" is great for voter turnout.(I say Protestant, because Catholics are much more diverse and therefore differ in the political Spectrum) I always found it strange because conservatism in America isn't kind to the poor or the sick. It often relies on antagonism, xenophobia and fear-mongering, Concepts that should be antithetical to Christianity. The reason why it doesn't make sense is because it's almost never about religion-- it's about politics. The irony of it is that this whole thing is bad for Christianity. Christians could be taking part in a positive future, but instead insist on antagonizing everyone else. But these are just my thoughts. Thanks for reading.

[@arubinojr5670]

Christian Ali But of course by your words, making you question your beliefs in any way is persecution, which is of course why you should not be listened to.

[@drewolfy]

christians do get persecuted. in the middle east. itd make alot more sense for evangelicals to help the persecution of orthodox christians in the middle east than whine about what they percieve as slights against them in the western world, which is actually a system built on their religion.

[@mangachick27]

d wolfy actually the United States is not a "Christian nation" it was founded on ideas of the enlightenment and it's thinkers (a time in history where people were looking more towards science than the church). The founders had just separated from a government that had government instilled religion, they were doing everything in their power from trying to recreate that. Hence the separation of church and state and why we have a president and not a king.

[@daisybloom9735]

10:41 I find it hypocritical that they'd show a girl telling a Muslim girl she shouldn't have to hide her face bc she's beautiful. Some Christians would be disappointed if someone was walking around in a bikini. Every religion has it's own set of rules and ways of life. What makes Christian's any better? After all, the Abrahamic faiths are pretty much on the same page on certain things despite their being different ideas of what's modest and yeah different opinions on Jesus's divinity. There's just a cultural difference.

[@Mai-wm7pv]

People really dont understand boundries lmao. I wouldn't tell a girl wearing less clothes to cover up, cuz it's none of my business, and I expect the same from strangers.

[@mcxlii]

@@sofiasfae1846 it isn't actually. it does say that women should cover their head (in church) but there's very little christians who do that nowadays. the amish and mennonites for example do do this, they actually cover their head at all times. some catholic women veil themselves with mantillas in church.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@mcxlii I think the Apostolic do too. They do not believe in the "accepting Jesus" doctrine. Their belief on Jesus is that everyone has always accepted Jesus, but the question is does Jesus accept us.

[@JLittleBass]

Yeah. I mean, in "GNotD1" the pro-God guy says something like "Yay God because if you believe in God then all your rules about morality are directly derived from God", which, if you think about it, is obviously ridiculous. As soon as you start thinking about different groups of people all saying, "This is the right rule of behavior and I know it for sure because God told me in this book", and they're either pointing at different books or they're pointing at the SAME book and deriving completely different conclusions, it's extremely hard not to notice that these are all just people making their best guess, and if God was ever "there", he left the room a long time ago and left it to all of us to figure out how we're supposed to be acting. I mean, there are hundreds of versions of Christianity, all with their own rules and interpretations of what "God" thinks is "right behavior". Even if someone's got the right idea, 99% of them are probably wrong, but they're all using the same argument, "This is what God says he wants," to back up their ideas. You may as well admit that your ideas on what's right and wrong are YOUR best guesses. Even if you decide to believe in the authority of a particular interpretation of a particular sacred text, it's still YOU who is deciding that that authority is the one that ought to be trusted, so ultimately all your faith is really in yourself. Any time anyone says, "I believe in ___", they're really saying "I believe in my own ability to put my faith in the right book or rule or institution or ideology," i.e., "I believe in myself."

[@DAEsaster]

But don't you know, cultural differences are evil and should be replaced through use of missionaries

[@dayrohan]

Evangelicals: we can't pray in school! Me: remembering a class trip I went too, possibly in Junior high where a teacher had us pray before we lunch. public school new York by the way.

[@daedula7457]

I know all throughout primary school in England we had to pray in every assembly

[@hithere7080]

According to the Kentucky book of statutes, or my county's book of statutes, (I can't remember) requires the teacher to read the Bible at the beginning of class and if they have money for it, display the 10 commandments in every classroom.

[@dayrohan]

hi there I was still in the faith, when TGA away happen. I only recently left in my early 20s, but it always left a bad feeling for me even when I was a strong believer, in that point of time.

[@beth4928]

@@dayrohan this is really late but I'm glad you were able to move away from the faith when it didn't make you happy or let you flourish ♡

[@mcxlii]

i went to a catholic primary school, we did have a moment of silence for those who wanted to pray before lunch until like 7th grade (primary in the netherlands is from age 4 to 12, grade 1-8). i think maybe one or two people used this moment, most of hte people in my class were atheists or agnostics. but in all honestly, you can just pray by yourself before you eat your food, that works just as well lol. the habit later stopped because they realised it was a waste of time.

[@adeepdive_8205]

To summarize the video: "this movie is a pathetic attempt of representing Christians as an oppressed minority."

[@dinospumoni5611]

Looks like Sabrina the Teenage Witch gave up wicca.

[@rowan8383]

Dino Spumoni Sabrina was largely inaccurate to Wicca anyway. The show makes it look like it's all about Satan, when in reality Christian modeled satans look off of the horned god to manipulate wiccans into converting.

[@edienandy]

Rowan Wicca didn’t exist until the 1950s.

[@alexradice8163]

@@rowan8383 you sounds so stupid. Wicca was made in the early 1900s, by a single man who put his personal ideas into a book and it caught on. The wiccans chose to often use pentagrams, which often IS satanic. Sad that wiccans don't understand their own beliefs lol

[@Cbgart]

@@alexradice8163 the same symbol can have different meanings in different contexts, you may no believe in the wiccan faith, but the meaning for the horned god comes from Greek and Celtic cultures, which doesn't have anything with the Christian and Hebrew visions of Satan... so...

[@alexradice8163]

@@Cbgart I know all about sigils :) that's how I know what I said so why did you try and change my mind lol have fun with your made up "religion"

[@leticiabernardino6566]

6:50, this anti-academia feeling is real. People from my mom's church started warning me about university when I started law school, to be careful to not become atheist, that professors would make me atheist ( I already was before uni)

[@urockit2011]

Getting into college started the months long warning process of the "evils" of my then future surroundings. What made it worse is that I got into an ivy.

[@SirWeirdGuy]

Meanwhile in the real world, every school worth its salt has a religious studies program, private Christian universities are some of the most funded and respected in the country, and Harvard and Yale have their own divinity schools

[@leticiabernardino6566]

@@SirWeirdGuy I'm not from The united states. But funny thing that religious people used to tell me this and my first year of law school was in a Lutheran College, my father graduated in law in that Lutheran college. In the Federal University I'm in at the moment there are religious meetings, bible study groups etc. Idk where people get these ideas.

[@facuuu2809]

Lol christians and conservatives hate academia and university

[@MattMcIrvin]

I think that college is often the first place that kids feel free to be openly nonreligious, and the people back home interpret that as the school corrupting them.

[@Cymricus]

"I say in the name of tolerance and diversity, we should destroy her." loooool Fox News must've produced this film

[@regularguy2807]

I would have guessed Dennis Prager or Ben Shapiro.

[@gezi5927]

Regular Guy they’re all the same lmao

[@wamlythecrabgod2199]

They need to learn to Praise the Sun, my sunbro. \[T]/

[@hailghidorah2536]

@@wamlythecrabgod2199 uh, oh dear...

[@humansvd3269]

To be fair, your ignoring the crazy shit modern day social liberals have been peddling.

[@tomstdenis]

Take the same plot but swap out the Christian teacher with a Muslim one and see how the audience reacts :-)

[@trippwraze1509]

What's sad is that that would be a much better movie, since Islam doesn't really have to fake a victim status.

[@stephsmith9911]

or have the teacher a Catholic that teaches the children the rosary or the litany of the virgin and watch the southern baptist parents tear her to shreds!

[@ajamusmith37]

🤔 I believe you have something there.🤔

[@thehermit8618]

Or literally any other religion that isn't evangelist christianity

[@Loner-Wolf]

Tom St Denis the heavens would rend asunder should that happen.

[@Marconius6]

"Aren't we allowed to say what we believe? When did that change?" When you became a teacher.

[@alexradice8163]

A teacher CAN give personal opinions and any teacher that can effectively teach and relate the knowledge to their students without showing some opinion is way above average. When did you stop being human and sorting knowledge through human perspective? When you became a teacher, I guess

[@she7061]

Alex Radice you keep replying to all these comments, are you that bored?

[@hoppytoad79]

Except it didn't. It's always been that way under the Constitution. Conservative Christians are enormous whiners who know jack squat about what the First Amendment *actually* says. Just shut up already about being persecuted, m'kay? Christians are not persecuted in the U.S.. Having to share the public space with other religions for once is not 'persecution'. People of other faiths (or none at all) speaking up and saying, "No, we don't want to hear about Jesus all the time and mandatory prayer time is Not Cool" is them standing up for their Constitutional rights, NOT a sign of the end times, peeps (and God being taken out of the schools is because...well...Christians brought too much of him in to education in the first place. You want your kids to have more of God, you can do that at home or send your kids to a private school). *deep sigh* Bottom line, all the Christians who feel 'persecuted' here in the States, if they don't like it here, if they don't like how the U.S. does things, they're welcome to leave.

[@bainbonic]

The guy who plays the evil atheist lawyer also played Satan in the TV show "Reaper." I can't help but think that's not a coincidence.

[@jaquitavulpix3418]

He also played Leland Palmer in Twin Peaks, who SPOILER is possessed by a weird otherwordly spirit called BOB who forces him to rape his daughter repeatedly and to finally kill her. So yeah, they surely picked an actor the audience would recognize as the 'bad guy'.

[@GMNGChristian]

He also played a priest in Psych

[@mariannarobles3154]

he also plays robins dad in himym, so basically the same thing

[@bradcarver8127]

He also played Kristy Swansons dad in the classic 90s movie The Chase starring Charlie Sheen.

[@joelpartee594]

He also had a holy vision of The Picard in Star Trek.

[@megaascension2748]

A very simple thing to point out is that religion is typically part of state standards in history class. I learned about Judaism, Islam, and Christianity in history class. Case closed.

[@Mcyxof]

We had a separate Religious Education class for that. It taught about various religions and probably would have been interesting if we didn't have the most boring, christian loving teacher for it... and I'm not thinking him being a christian was a bad thing, but it was how he brought it into the classroom with him every single time.

[@autumnmorgan525]

Interesting maybe because Im in a very religious state but I only learned about Christianity , which the teacher said if you want to complain sign up for another class.

[@n0etic_f0x]

This movie's subtext is absolutely insane. To me it sounds like a Christian found someone who is gay said: "Hey I accept the fact that you are gay, but here is an atheist that want to kill and eat all the gays don't you hate atheism and love God now?" and when the person is just like "Well...no. Because that person is insane" they then respond with "Why do you want to be killed and eaten?".

[@Demiglitch]

It's my kink.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@Demiglitch I can get you art commissioned for that.

[@troyschulz2318]

Oh Christ they're making a third one.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Third time's the charm. And David R. White is the main character this time!

[@joemomma3648]

Sting Sniperscope God's Not Dead 3: Return of the Jedi

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

joe momma God's not Dead 3: Beyond Thunder-Church.

[@stevensmith8511]

Sting Sniperscope yeah and it's coming out this month on the 30th or the 29th

[@lumen8341]

I remember when this one was coming out and we all said, "oh christ, they're making a second one"

[@dorcaswg5726]

As a Christian who believes in God and is a person of faith I am just going to say this and go. The belief that western evangelicals have that they are somehow oppressed as a minority is absolutely absurd and straight up insulting to Christians around the world that are actually being persecuted and killed for their faith. I mean we literally live in a country where we have freedom of religion in our founding constitution. This idea that Christians are now an oppressed class in The United States makes no sense to me. Christians are an overwhelming majority I mean look at our current president and government Evangelical Christians voted Trump in and their agenda is winning rn.

[@manfredfinch]

Agree completely. If they want a taste of persecution try being Xtian in China.

[@joliekhim8135]

Or North Korea................... Cause why not?

[@isaacg3327]

Person of faith. As a scientist I find that statement so odd. Why don’t you say ‘person who believes things without evidence’ or ‘person who believes exactly as their parents without question’ or ‘person without critical thinking skills,’ they all fit.

[@xenoto7148]

@@isaacg3327 While I am not a 'person of faith', I find your confrontational behavior pointless and counter-intuitive. This does nothing to benefit anyone or change anything. It's just adding fuel to the fires of division.

[@jackriggs8013]

@@isaacg3327 dont be a dillhorn

[@red_apple1156]

15:34 That's like saying, "I know Harry Potter exists because there was a whole series of books written about his life."

[@justinlevy274]

Pretty much all the academic literature about the Gospels maintain that they were not written by eyewitnesses and are derivative of other sources.

[@vikingdude_nyc]

Are you trying to tell me that Harry Potter DOESNT exist?! The absolute nerve of that statement, i read about him so of course he exists!

[@popperpoppler4569]

@@justinlevy274 Not to split hairs but yeah that might be the most annoying part about the entire film, the consensus among scholars is that there aren’t any recorded accounts of Jesus contemporaneous with his lifespan.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

If the bible had not been put into print, christianity would not have survived. If christians did not believe that Adam & Eve existed, that would throw doubt onto the whole bible, as it would mean no original sin, so no need for a savior.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@popperpoppler4569There is mention of him in the acts of Pilate.

[@cheesecake134]

This movie is actually asking me to believe the middle aged, white Southern "wut wur u thankin graaaayyss?" teacher is NOT a Christian?

[@BigJoel]

That's actually one of my favorite things about the movie. Like, even southern people can be secular d bags!

[@jacksparrowguy]

She sounds like someone from the Duck Dynasty clan XD

[@cheesecake134]

She's got a wall full of crosses in her den and the movie knows it, Joel.

[@cheesecake134]

Also, the 40-ish something Southern black woman is a God hater? Does this movie exist in any reality?

[@BigJoel]

Oh in her case, I think she's a Christian who's been sorta forced into hiding because of the secular world. No proof to back that up, just a feelin.

[@TAK-yj4hj]

„Im neither that big nor a Joel“ My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[@ryanhoover1981]

I think the reason that Christian screenwriters can get away with lazy persecution narratives is that this trope has been driven into the skulls of the Christian community for decades. Every time they hear it, they just relate it back to every time they've heard it more convincingly from a preacher drawing some connection between the congregation and the Israelites being enslaved and driven from their homeland. That's the only way the re-hashing of any idea like the War on Christmas doesn't draw eye rolls every time it comes up: it's just one more symptom of something they've known is going on since the execution of Saint Sebastian.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Or… _think_ is going on.

[@zorosboobies5346]

1:56 no student, on planet earth, sitting in a public school history classroom, would ever ask that question

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

Eh, unless it is the really weird religious girl. But that girl is far too attractive.

[@tim..indeed]

The best part is afterwards all the students turning heads looking to the front as if they actually cared about the answer.

[@francesca234]

How about that question boils down to asking if the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr maybe was influenced by one of the most well known statements of Jesus Christ? How is this student in an AP class?

[@justsomeguywithsunglasses8418]

@@francesca234 I mean, as far as I am aware the requirements for most AP classes are very low. Some schools just let anyone in them . . . but that is a very different conversation about education in the US.

[@someothername7886]

Eh I think students are capable of asking anything. The reaction from the school would be completely unrealistic because she just answered a question about Jesus in context to what they were learning about in class.

[@Kay-wp8xf]

Can legal eagle do this whole court/law scene? Oh my gosh, I would die for that

[@lonesavior]

Y'know, I think in the past he would have avoided it because it might invite controversy, but given the direction his channel has gone in recent months, I think there's a real chance.

[@hoppytoad79]

Good to know I'm not the only one who had that thought.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

@@lonesavior Godless alone people: We value as atheism: 0... I did not think godless alone peoplenwith no community can forget about God for nothing... Can we please move with a better generation, please? This godless one is so lost.

[@lonesavior]

@@Mar-dk3mp I would argue against what you just said if it wasn't so incomprehensible.

[@Mitchiepoo97]

I was telling my HS guidance counselor about my depression, anxiety, and my contempt for the education system, and she just told me to read the Bible. That was supposed to fix me.

[@hoppytoad79]

That's *not* covered by the First Amendment

[@undrwatropium3724]

That's absurd. And I thought illegal. Unless you went to a Christian school

[@stardustflavor4165]

I remember my grandma forced me to watching this movie in 2017 and told me what happened in the movie happened in real life often too, and that "we should stay strong because everyone is against us" Sorry grandma, I'm an atheist... and also... no one is hating on christians for being religious... ;-;

[@mothcub]

Really enjoyed the sparkly caption transition effect on "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Jazzy!

[@BigJoel]

It is called "boogie nights" on final cut, if u wanna know the truth

[@mothcub]

I can't handle the truth.

[@mothcub]

That's a film reference, hope you got it! I am very smart.

[@BigJoel]

i love films i have seen over 200

[@mothcub]

Wow!!! I didn't know there were that many :O

[@ZornsLemon671]

The way you explain stuff in such a calm and anayltical way is oddly soothing. I think it's the way you sort of flow from one point to the next in such a natural way. Truly great stuff.

[@RomanKutsovolOriginal]

Attack: nasty oldman Defense: young perfect male specimen

[@wishmaker7]

not this movie making an argument that christians aren't allowed to share their views in the classroom when REAL teachers are ACTUALLY getting fired for being gay or teaching about gay history 😭😭😭

[@mcarpen89]

I love that they kick off the story by being like "hey, MLK was a pretty swell guy, wasn't he? Know who else was a swell guy? Jesus. The "youth pastor" memes come to life.

[@SpeakingJargon]

This is a Christian video you can't say "flaccid".

[@elizabethm1698]

Watching this video in 2023, while a teacher in Florida is being extensively investigated for “indoctrination” because she played Strange World in her classroom, which features a LGBTQ character. And Christian’s think they’re the one on the chopping block somehow.

[@zachmanf.7479]

Reminds me of the last Captain Underpants book getting into hot water by depicting one of the main characters being in a gay relationship in the future. I'm pretty sure they were just sitting next to each other and I don't recall the story pointing it out.

[@msjkramey]

But... MLK believed all of that...? I think that would be some interesting backstory for his motivations. Most secular people aren't that touchy--maybe ones who just deconverted and *are* angry about religion in all contexts, but that's a minority. And not all secularists are even atheists

[@virgil.alonso]

The movie has to create a villain though.... I believe you are right.

[@therealgamingderps9608]

I'm secular. and I ain't no atheist.

[@joliekhim8135]

Secularism?

[@Altobrun]

Jolie Khim - Secularism is the separation from government institutions (and government representatives) from religious organizations and religion in general. France is probably the most extreme (and therefor well known) secular nation, where you can't do things like wear hijabs, yamaka's, or crucifix's in schools. French secularism (Laïcité pronounced lah-see-tay) differs from American secularism (separation of Church and state) because the idea of Laïcité is to protect the government and by extension the people, from religion; while American secularism is designed to protect religion from the government.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

not accurate, France's secularism is both about protecting society from any religious ingerance , and to protect any beliefs and people against those ingerences, just as the US. You can't wear religious items in public schools yes, as you can't preach, since the school is a place were you are given neutral education and therefor are not permitted to try and influence others in any way, religiously or politicaly (even as a student) , and if you're not okay with that : religious private schools or founded by the state and or not expensive. Every parent can make that choice.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

"I'd rather stand with God than stand with men." And that's why I despise Christianity. It shifts the moral focus of a person from his fellow human beings to something else. Now you can take this person and convince him\her that abuse, homophobia, xenophobia, murder or genocide are good and defendable things. it doesn't matter, as long as you are told that God wills it.

[@joliekhim8135]

Disturbing right? (

[@stevescoffee8325]

WhiteScorpio2 that’s why you despise Christianity over everything else, yehhh I don’t believe that.

[@vinceknox4425]

WhiteScorpio2 Couldn’t agree more! It’s disgusting how people will dehumanize their fellow man in the name of their religion. Anything that makes you see it as “us VS them,” such a religion, is not always trustworthy.

[@yunix2396]

It's how cults are made. Lol Far Cry 5.

[@AV57]

And then many Christians will actually try and convince non-Christians that being a Christian makes you a more moral person in this lifetime on Earth. How can anyone admit that they prioritize something with no physical or demonstrable traits over other conscious beings with demonstrable traits, then delude themselves into believing that that’s a reliable way to be moral in this lifetime? If I told someone I prioritize unicorns over horses, would they assume that I’m going to be moral toward horses?

[@galacticgardevoir9496]

I was thrown for a spin when you said Peter Kane. I had a high school teacher named Peter Kane and he was the most religious-freedom results-based teacher I've ever had and he was amazing. I'm going to assume this Peter Kane is a mere shell of the real one

[@beriking]

a former witch converting to god...MIRACLE

[@christianali5431]

Barbora Holubcová she was always a Christian. Neil Patrick Harris isn’t a doctor either.

[@thatboringone7851]

Christian Ali You realize OP was joking, right?

[@gregmcgregginton574]

Swooooooshhhhhhh

[@beriking]

SWOOOOOSSSHHHH

[@joliekhim8135]

Yyyyyyaaaaaassssss.

[@vishishify]

Do you need a cheque that bad Sabrina?

[@Azreal231916]

Vish Wah no she’s pretty right wing christian

[@Indiegirl007]

Azreal231916 When did that happen? O.o

[@Azreal231916]

Karrots K yeah but she drank the kool aid hard

[@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764]

"All art is propaganda, but not all propaganda is art." I can't remember who said that, but they hit the nail on the head.

[@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764]

@Miasma I'd beg to differ. Anything that could really be considered art would have a message when you look into it and wouldn't pushing a message make it propaganda?

[@ILoveJESUSmoreThanU]

Walter Benjamin said something along those lines, something like, Marxism politicizes art; fascism aestheticizes politics.

[@nihilistic9927]

I drew a line and call it art. Now I have 200000 followers (this is not a legitimate argument)

[@mcchilde2903]

@@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764 yes but the art you consume is your own choice,isn't it? It's not really pushing? Unless you're a kid

[@lpfan4491]

Messages don't have to actually contain solid information. Most textless music sends purely emotional messages for example.

[@hannaha1474]

My friend kinda got harassed in the fifth grade for not being Christian by a teacher in public school and literally nothing happened

[@imbuffysummers]

Miguel watched _To Kill a Mockingbird_ one time and that’s how we got his court performance 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@alyalvarado1667]

Honestly the teacher would 100% not have to go to court for that. When I was in high school, my AP English teacher had us analyze three or four different versions of Genesis, which she apparently did every year because my friends had done that in their AP English class a year prior. Before every choir concert, my teacher invited everyone into a prayer. And as someone who works in the educational field, I can assure you that most fourth graders would not know "separation of church and state." Just getting them to remember that the Civil War and the Civil Rights were completely separate events in separate centuries is a stretch.

[@ohshiditsgriff2793]

Ahh... the irony of this movie aged beautifully, with everything going on in FL now regarding schooling

[@DanOwnsall112]

These movies are so interesting, really vague and seemingly harmless, but ultimately harmful morals hidden behind a feel good message, it's kind of scary to realize these movies even exist sometimes.

[@sierrasouthwell9237]

Interesting the way Food Inc was interesting. I tried watching it with my boyfriend, but he turned it off after half an hour because I kept yelling at the screen.

[@fsfredrikson]

Sierra Southwell, I’ve heard of that movie before, and maybe I’m oblivious on the matter but I’d like to know how similar it is to this movie. Besides the propaganda elements I mean.

[@sierrasouthwell9237]

I didn't watch more than the trailer of "God's not Dead," so I can't point out any real similarities. I was more pointing out the propaganda elements. And that I'd probably have equal trouble getting through God's not Dead as I did with Food Inc because I'd be too irritated with the way they outright lied and misrepresented facts. Actually, God's not Dead would probably not be as bad, since I take especially offence to misrepresentations of science. They probably don't have anything similar thematically, and they're probably polar opposites politically (Christian vs. Vegan).

[@shadenox8164]

Sierra Southwell They don't even try to represent atheists. Its basically just a moustache twirling villain though without the fun of the campiness.

[@patrickmoriarty3073]

Creator A: So who could we get to play the good Christian teacher in this movie? Creator B: I know! How about the famous actress most closely associated with Witchcraft! Evangelicals will love that!

[@Ivytheherbert]

I've seen Christian artists and writers take ridiculously non-Christian characters and convert them in their fan-art or fictions before, since it both puts a Christian claim on the character and sends the message that anyone can be saved. There was probably the same principle going through the mind of the casting director.

[@leo5614]

and then they DID

[@joshraid1550]

You know what's hilarious about that scene where the dad hits her daughter for saying Jesus is her savior? Muslims still honor Jesus as a religious figure. In fact Muslim people even believe that he was born of a virgin mother because god willed it to happen. They also believe that he will in fact return at judgement day to smite the antichrist, and also have a whole chapter dedicated to the virgin mary. They are called different things in arabic, Jesus is Isa, Mary is Maryam, and the antichrist is al-masih ad-dajjal.

[@RapCritic]

Love this vid, bro. Keep doing your thing, and making Christians reflect on their moralities: that's how a more loving faith can emerge.

[@sophiaredwood5825]

Christian here, adore this comment 👏💞

[@lollynight4604]

what a self-indulgent concept lol, a movie about a christian teacher being put on trial for talking about jesus. the christian persecution complex is so loud

[@rojax_thevoicetm2385]

0:03 missed opportunity to say Electric Boogaloo, which is the eighth deadly sin

[@rafaynoman1180]

A shorter version of this movie would've been like. Atheist: Prove god exists. Christian: Ok *pulls out a glock and pumps the atheist's head full of lead* you wanted proof of god so i sent you to him.

[@sophisticatedPJs]

I think that would've been more interesting than the actual film haha

[@thehermit8618]

Stop giving them ideas for God's not Dead 3: He's not dead, you are.

[@GMNGChristian]

That. Is. Disgusting. Perhaps you should look up Sutherland Springs Texas shooting 2017. There really are people out there like that, you know; but the fact you want to pin something like that on a Christian instead of a person with a worldview that allows for it just shows your ignorance.

[@sophisticatedPJs]

@@GMNGChristian #1 it was a stupid joke calm yourself #2 you're acting like Christians can't be bad people lmao. Anyone can become a murderer or abuser, faith is irrelevant to that.

[@dukelukebr6873]

As a Christian I gotta say, This was one of the funniest things I ever read

[@kkellel1500]

"Do you think that the Reverend King was inspired by Jesus?" "Yes" *STRAWMAN SCREECHING INTENSIFIES*

[@ShadowPa1adin]

Another messed up thing about this movie is the subplot about the pastors having to turn in their sermons to the IRS. It's basically whinging about how pastors can't tell their congregants who to vote for without losing tax-exempt statuses for their churches (which has apparently become a bit of a problem with a few churches in the past). I've said it before and I'll say it again: The GnD movies aren't about defending Christianity itself as much as they are about defending the cultural hedgemony enjoyed by Evangelicals in America.

[@CMfavs]

Nailed it in one sentence: "The GnD movies aren't about defending Christianity itself as much as they are about defending the cultural hedgemony enjoyed by Evangelicals in America." That is the most succinct explanation for what's happening in this movie (and, you know, in America in general) that I've read to date.

[@shadenox8164]

The funny thing is even though they were right to ask for it to make sure those churches were following the agreed rules they still backed down after the backlash it caused. Thats how privileged they are. They can circumvent reasonable checks that they're following the rules.

[@worchikeikerreebes6122]

One of my teachers said that the reason for aquatic animal fossils found on dry land was the great flood and Noah’s ark. She got in absolutely no trouble even though she probably should have Edit: I also said that I thought that it was because land wasn’t there when the animals lived there and she said I was wrong.

[@lukamilosevic661]

Why is that worth trouble tho? It's just kinda on the nose; not worth a firing 4 sure

[@lisalynnn]

I'm a Christian, but I don't consider myself an evangelical. I follow Wesleyan theology and Wesley's teachings about holiness. I, too, don't understand evangelicals and their obsession with oppression. The lawsuit in this movie is the kind of fear propaganda machine that is typical of evangelicals. It's the "hurry up and get 'em saved" teaching and mindset that actually goes against Christ's message. It's the only focus for evangelicals, salvation. They spin out a cheapen form of grace (Bonhoeffer) that requires no relationship with God, "say this little prayer and all will be forgiven". Evangelicals focus on numbers and not on teaching people how to follow God. Anyway, I got a bit off topic. This type of movie makes me cringe.

[@bobthornton9730]

her name is grace.....SYMBOLISM!

[@bobjoe109]

They are soooooo subtle lol

[@dcasasola]

I'm a Christian, but I don't understand this whole persecution complex. I believe in the separation of church and state.

[@sjenner76]

The ACLU is more likely to be on the teacher’s side in this one. (ACLU, Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in Public Schools.)

[@dakotadenali9678]

Simon Jenner Personally, I would disagree. The ACLU does not support teachers or the schools using their power positions to advance religion. The teacher, in God’s Not Dead 2, asked a student question through a historical context, but she continued her discussion by promoting students “pray for those who persecute them and they will forever be children of God” (something like that). There was no need for that statement. If you teach religion through a historical context then that’s perfectly fine. However, you can’t use your government position to promote religion and then hide under a thinly veiled free speech claim. Ultimately, there is no way this case would go to court anyway tbh. It could’ve been resolved by a short, private discussion with the teacher most likely. Teachers have religious freedom for sure, but that freedom must not be used in any way to promote religion to an environment that requires neutrality. www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty/religion-and-public-schools/prayer-and-proselytizing-school

[@wowokwow533]

That part of the movie when the lawyer dude talked about separation of church and state being miscontruted was hilariously hypocritically because many Christians cherry pick and miscontrute the bible all the time.

[@luminousbanjo]

Bad Guy: "We're going to prove once and for all that God is dead." MJH: "And I will prove that God's Not Dead...Too."

[@thequeenundisputed]

It makes a lot more sense for you to be named Henry to me. You look and sound like a Henry. You don't really look like a Joel.

[@milaana4503]

Japanese Businessman id assumed he would actually be on the bigger side (because of his name). Now Im wondering where the 'big' comes from .-.

[@RenegadeY]

PhilfreezeCH his penis

[@kelseyhorton8514]

I agree he sounds like a Henry, and I don't know why.

[@fsfredrikson]

Maybe because the name Joel is associated with a certain Vinesauce streamer from Sweden. That may just be me though.

[@thequeenundisputed]

fsfredrikson That's not it for me at all. He just doesn't look like a Joel to me, it's not because I'm associating the name with anybody else.

[@majo5274]

God's Not Dead series: lowering respect for actors I never think about.

[@messey4998]

Best burn: "I don't think she'd chew a stick of gum without praying first, it makes everyone feel awkward." (Southern accent is necessary)

[@andresmartinez5536]

I've been a teacher at two different public universities in my country, the third article of the Mexican Constitution says that pubic education has to be free, secular and open, article 130 separates church and state. I prefaced with all that because I have never preached against religions in the classroom even though I could have used those two constitutional articles as an excuse to do so for one very simple reason: I'm professional. I'm there to teach, not to indoctrinate, to show them how to think, not what to think. Fanatics of theism rarely have this consideration as it goes against the core of their beliefs, to expand their religion; and they'll use any platform they can to do it.

[@KarnRulez]

Andrés Martínez If I was in a class and an atheist professor bashed my faith, yeah I'd have his ass fired in a heartbeat.

[@DeoMachina]

Honestly I'm just happy to see Ray Wise is still getting work

[@bebeoiseau2471]

I love these videos. I think you're very analytical, but not in a way that is overly antagonistic, and still in a way that doesn't leave anything out because you're too worried about how people will respond. Keep up the good work!

[@useroffline9999]

This whole movie belongs in the evangelical r/thathappened

[@morbidsearch]

I'm a firm proponent of the separation of KZbin and Reddit

[@princesslulu5795]

When I was a teen a teacher at my school lost their job under very similar circumstances. It was a public school and this teacher was well known for being a devout Christian. He never tried to force religion on anybody but he did answer basic questions from students who asked as it related to the curriculum (for example he taught science and explained the definition of creationism/intelligent design), and gave students access to info on that such as pamphlets, website urls etc. some of them were neutral, some leaned more towards intelligent design but no one took the papers unless they wanted to. He left them on his desk with other things like study guides, extra credit sheets etc that students could get coming in or leaving. He also was the adviser for a student led Christian club (he didn’t speak just reserved the space and kept an eye on students because school policy required it; everything else was under the students control). A student one day was upset about getting bad grades and his parents were too, and he accused the teacher of burning a cross into his arm (the teacher had a Tesla coil he sometimes let students try out; it would leave a small red mark sometimes but he gone within a day or so max and was perfectly safe). I don’t remember the whole story but I guess the kid made his arm look worse than it really was and the “x” his parents thought was a cross. The school investigated and learned the teacher also kept a personal copy of his bible on his desk. He never read it (aloud or silently) during class, never asked students to read it, never taught from it. It was one of many items on his desk and no one had ever complained about it. The school district, trying to avoid a lawsuit from the students family told the teacher he had to not bring the Bible anymore or to not make it visible. He said no and lost his job. It made the news and people who didn’t even know anything about the school or the story believed exaggerated nonsense made for headlines. This teacher who was one of the most popular and highly rated teachers the school had ever had (students were fighting to be in the class every year) was made out by the media to be this crazy hick town religious fanatic burning crosses into kids and it was just nuts. That’s why this movie resonated with me

[@RollyPollyPal]

PrincessLuLu what the fuck

[@Oliviagarry69420]

Bullshit

[@GMNGChristian]

@@Oliviagarry69420 I just looked up "teacher burns cross into students arm" and a bunch of stories from Mt. Vernon, OH came up.

[@BigDrozJoe]

God is good. All the time. 4 year old dying of dysentery: Am I a joke to you?

[@gezi5927]

Big Droz This is hilariously true

[@neszsa]

Well, always remember bois: *God works in mysterious ways*

[@JeepnHeel]

That little future Hitler had it coming -- good riddance. The past Hitler Hitler was just one that squeaked through when God took some accrued vacation.

[@silencedogood5766]

Satans work not Gods

[@francis_castiglion3]

😆🤣

[@citrinestone]

"Isn't that kind of like what Jesus said?" "Yah MLK was a minister so discussing scriptural influence on his activism and texts is relevant and appropriate in a classroom discussion" "Oh cool. In the context of King did he consider the 'enemy' to be 'loved' as white supremacists or the white moderates who he said were even more dangerous because they valued the status quo more than justice?" "....Okay RAHEEM this is the last time you use my classroom to ATTACK WHITE CHRISTIANS--" GOD'S NOT DEAD 2 (in Sabrinas defense the last time Raheem raised his hand he got her to admit she didn't know who James Baldwin was so she's a little on edge)

[@mogo5055]

I can't help but imagine this being some kind of bizarre, bleak Twin Peaks spin off where Leland Palmer escapes only to run off and become a Jesus lawyer.

[@thepretentiousgentleman]

Kind of hilarious that the teacher is played by Sabrina the teenaged witch...

[@nataliegooding8932]

I was wondering why she looked so familiar!

[@morbidsearch]

And Clarissa Explains It All, where her brother was a young Republican and it was played for laughs

[@ozzyhaye]

To borrow a line from Bill Burr:" It's called acting...you dumb f***"

[@diaskeaus]

As a Christian, I couldn't stand the first film, far too many cliches on both sides of the debate when there really shouldn't even be a debate

[@pasdenom.9062]

I cannot see how a believer can be fooled to think that the film represents a realistic atheist and secular positions. That's purely insane.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

Godless alone people: We value as atheism: 0 That is your value.

[@franklinturtleton6525]

12:50 - would argue that the girl was saying "Cheezits" and not "Jesus" Because nothing keeps you together after a long hard day of worship than the sensationally cheese taste of Cheezits.

[@zubetp]

long comment, don't bother expanding. here is how this would actually go irl: principal: hey grace have a seat! i just wanted to check in - i got a call from brianna jensen's dad. he said brianna came home talking about christianity. were you talking about religion in class? grace: oh! we were discussing the ethics of martin luther king jr. and how his speeches were inspired by his own faith. he was a reverend. principal: ohh got it, yeah that makes sense. okay! just a warning to keep that stuff in mind - mr. jensen didn't know the context and was concerned that kind of talk would alienate brianna in class because she's jewish. grace: oh, wow! that wasn't my intention at all. would he like me to reach out to him so we can sit down and clear it up? principal: he might appreciate that, actually, yeah! thanks for explaining, i thought that was a little out of character for you. sorry for eating into your lunch hour! grace: oh no problem, thanks for letting me know! i'll be more careful about that for the next time we talk about dr. king. i'll see you at the meeting on wednesday! *end scene.* look, i don't really care about teachers quoting the christian bible or discussing the faith of historical figures. christianity was cited explicitly as the motivation for the majority of western political figures, so banning reference to that in social studies, of all classes, would be absolutely ring-ring bananas. i DO think it's weird the way she answered the question. it's obvious that brooke wasn't asking about the bible. she was asking in relation to the lesson. grace should have responded with something like this: brooke: isn't that how the buble says xyz? grace: that's a great point, brooke! the bible does quote jesus as saying "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you" in the book of matthew. who knows why dr. king would have been inspired by the christian bible? *end scene again.* she should probably have workshopped that answer, it would definitely have disconnected me from the lesson at that age. but again, that's actually not my primary issue with grace's actions. something big joel skipped over - probably for brevity - is that when grace cited jesus to brooke as her explanation for how she "deals with" things, she and brooke were having coffee together outside of school. i don't think it's appropriate for a teacher to be hanging out with a student one-on-one outside of school lol. if brooke needed advice or guidance she should have been invited to utilize grace's office hours on monday. when you agree to chill with a kid outside of school, /and/ while you're doing that you wax poetic about how inspired and comforted you are by jesus of nazareth and all his shenanigans and goings-on, i would also interpret that as crossing a boundary lmao. whether or not she says grace before popping in a dentyne is her goofball-ass business. (like, get a hobby or something.)