nobody will ever see this but i fapped to mahoraga backshotting makima
@lebulldog67578 ай бұрын
?
@NPC_NEWS8 ай бұрын
What
@slinux84208 ай бұрын
Cool bro
@sans57898 ай бұрын
you might wanna delete this bro
@toxiccrusader48808 ай бұрын
Delete This
@CopyXat8 ай бұрын
Are you nah id adapt because youre the honoured one who left it all behind in shibuya or does being stand proud youre strong make you the divine seven sworded general?
@thesmashbeyonder51278 ай бұрын
I'm never escaping the lobotomy bro 😭
@theonlychickensama83538 ай бұрын
Nah, I'm you!
@velgard.8 ай бұрын
As the strongest comedian Takaba fought the fraud the King of body stealing he begun to open his domain. Kenjaku took backshots in fear then takaba said stand proud Kenjaku you are funny
@victorkaranja14208 ай бұрын
Lobotojo strike's again
@CrimsonRed9728 ай бұрын
took backshots in fear 😭😭
@afkijkuit40578 ай бұрын
Lots of people here forgetting that Makima can just stack a bunch of different contract abilities into one attack like she did against the gun devil. That would: 1) make the attack much more complex and force Maho to take multiple turns to adapt if he survives 2) be enough to just one-shot him. Maho only survived Malevolent Shrine because he was already hit with a bunch of dismantles before that and already had active adaptarions against slashes. Makima can make more powerful attacks than the fire arrow, just the gun devil's travel speed caused more damage than that.
@faertios04048 ай бұрын
You're the second guy that gives an actual argument for Makima's win. Congrats! I want to thank you so I'll leave a like.
@animewolf79218 ай бұрын
You're right
@RedLights9000-f3l8 ай бұрын
You have a point but Makima doesn't know what mahoraga can do
@texjones1993ify8 ай бұрын
I haven't seen an attack from her that would contend against Shrine or the arrow within the series. I won't undermine the possibility of combining contracts, but I'd argue the Uzamaki is a better rendition that doesn't leave the contract holders or devils vulnerable to interference.
@dominicwoodford57118 ай бұрын
@@texjones1993ify The fire arrow destroys a few blocks which is considered city block+ level at 10^11J - 10^13J… fuck it I’ll give Sukuna 10^15J which is town+……. Makima sending Denji to the moon is bare minimum 10^17J or beginning mountain level and sukuna folded Mahoraga with an arrow…. Makima 1 shots no diff
@makimasupremacy99452 ай бұрын
Bro why everytime Makima is in the VS they keep forgetting that she can stack up and combine different types of devil abilities in one attack?
@makimasupremacy99452 ай бұрын
Seriously that alone I think can One shot Mahoraga before it can adapt which is one of its weakness
@aen.1Ай бұрын
So its like a Maximum Uzumaki? I mean that sounds like it could take out Maho
@Kyuubey040613 күн бұрын
If it doesnt destroy every last bit of mahoraga he just heals back and kills her
@alper-d5e7 күн бұрын
bro replied to his own comment and supported himself 💀
@BenBaszucki7 күн бұрын
Makima fan saying
@RailwayBogard8 ай бұрын
Y’all are forgetting that it takes TIME for Mahoraga to adapt and he can only adapt to one attack at a time. How long would it take for him to adapt to a control chain before Makima commands him to stand still and get obliterated by every devil in her arsenal? Or she could just use one of her pawns to drop him in Hell and make it their problem.
@lasagna6658 ай бұрын
dude, he's literally immune to slashes and punches. anything the devils throw at him won't do anything besides make him more powerful, and this is with the VERY GENEROUS assumption that makima could even possibly control a shikigami that requires a ritual to control given she couldnt even control someone as weak as reze without beating them first. the more attacks mahoraga takes the faster he adapts, so if makima does as you say shes just commiting suicide
@ahmedtheone39768 ай бұрын
@lasagna665 he was immune to them after adapting to them so your point doesn't make sense and there's no statement saying the more he's attack the faster he adapts, what they're saying is Makima can keep hitting Maho with dif attacks while he can adapt to only one, more than enough time to kill him
@MsGj_Edits8 ай бұрын
@@lasagna665”as weak as reze”
@FTL_SAN8 ай бұрын
It only takes a bit of time if a technique is incredibly complicated like the infinity. He adapted to cuts almost immediately when fighting sukuna.
@FTL_SAN8 ай бұрын
@@ahmedtheone3976he can adapt to multiple types of attacks at once.
@juanhaines72958 ай бұрын
Choso vs power both are half curse/devil and and have a sibling relationship with the main protagonist.
@bastigaming97858 ай бұрын
and blood powers of course, would be curious about that
@theoriginalnoc8 ай бұрын
choso one shots
@Saucenoat8 ай бұрын
I dont know how people get the impression that power and denji have a sibling type relationship. Now, dont get get me wrong they definately are not lovers or anything but their relationship is just too complex and....fuckin wierd
@josephvaccariello41818 ай бұрын
@@theoriginalnoc You cant one shot power lol she is a devil she can and will regen and theirs a good chance she would just manip choso blood
@chiaki.hayakawa188 ай бұрын
Power (Fiend) one shot Choso. She reacted to Gun Devil Fiend bullet at close range, that bullet is faster than any gun bullets in modern era and slightly slower than Gun Devil 20% MACH 1458+ bullets. Choso is Subsonic/+ at best. Power with her brute strength destroyed Cucumber Devil, that's the size of a small building. While Choso couldn't even destroyed things in his fight against Itadori. Choso piercing blood is useless against Power, Power would just dodge it, and if it somehow hit her, she would just break and eat it or throw it away. Blood Devil Power one shot Choso with her 100+ blood weapons
@afkijkuit40578 ай бұрын
People here really underestimate the Chainsaw Man verse, probably cause unlike most shonen most of the main characters aren't that powerful. That's not the case for Makima though, even just the Gun Devil outscales almost all jjk characters and Makima was able to deal with 20% of that without any trouble (and considering how not-worried she was she would also not have issues with a bigger one). People also forget that Mahoraga needs time and sometimes multiple wheel turns to adapt, especially to complex abilities like most of Makima's toolkit. Makima would first try to control it, assuming she doesn't instantly win she sees the adaptation in action, and then decides it's too dangerous stay alive. Then she just pulls a 1000 year spear or ridiculous contract combo like she did against the Gun Devil to overwhelm it. And all that's ignoring "bang".
@afkijkuit40578 ай бұрын
that's also assuming that the temple ritual doesn't work on Mahoraga
@wswann348 ай бұрын
Yup, it's amazing how useful bullets are in JJK and CSM have a devil that is a bunch of guns lol
@randomyoutuber26338 ай бұрын
@@wswann34 To be fair, humans are kinda not that durable in both verses. They only survive due to their powers or inhuman bodies. I could solo nearly everyone in jjk with a gun if my bullets pierced their cursed energy somehow. Takaba is probably the only guy in jjk who is impossible to kill unless off-guard.
@LeoGS7708 ай бұрын
Chainsaw Man's verse is "underestimate" because it really is a weak verse, many of the characters don't have such great feats and normally, the verse is carried by HAX, who aren't even that good. The best HAX in Chainsaw Man are from Makima and Angel Devil, and these HAX aren't even great either. You are also greatly overestimating the Gun Devil. His speed and especially the speed of his bullets are in fact superior to those of many Jujutsu Kaisen characters, but his strength is much inferior, much of the destruction that the Gun Devil caused was due to by the quantity and the speed his bullets traveled and not by his strength. Not to mention that no other Chainsaw Man character scales at the same speed as Gun Devil, not even Makima. The more times Mahoraga is affected by a technique or the longer he is being affected by a technique, the faster he will adapt, considering that Mahoraga will constantly be affected by Makima's control technique, so he will be able to adapt to this technique very quickly. The 1000 Year Spear is not strong enough to hurt Mahoraga, nor are Makima's other abilities, and Mahoraga can easily dodge it.
@randomyoutuber26338 ай бұрын
@LeoGS770 Makima can just add more years to the spear, and she sent Pochita to space with like at max 10 shots, and before you say they aren't powerful because Pochita tanked them.... Pochita fought every primal devil and Horsemen and nearly won according to some of them, even eating part of the War Devil in the fight. He has insane regen and durability, speed, and strength. Makima can just use all of her contracts in one attack, as she can combine them, and she could use the ghost chains to temporarily control/paralyze Mahoraga to set up a big attack like the 1000 year spear or whatever year she wants it to be. She also didn't use everything on Pochita because she loved him or whatever.
@lilflounder48988 ай бұрын
0:02 my mom
@Bobsyouruncle-yi4qrАй бұрын
No
@Dkpresents805Ай бұрын
Underated comment
@mrdogeguy72998 ай бұрын
You forgot about something, while she never did it in series Makima could just straight up tell Mahoraga to kill itself and it would
@Jogoat-sf4xm8 ай бұрын
Bro he can regenerate goofy
@thegameuser26168 ай бұрын
@@Jogoat-sf4xm I mean, wouldnt mahoraga adapt to his own regeneration to kill himself if that was his goal?
@someguyfromtheinternet46818 ай бұрын
@@thegameuser2616 that kinda hella funny just imagine that you just wanna end it all and then wheel of circle adapt to your killing yourself that funny to see it in action
@Xairs_8 ай бұрын
Once it tries to kill himself, he will adapt and gain conscious and then he will be immune to any kind of mind control
@badroboudjerda43948 ай бұрын
But why she just got this new survent like she doesn't know if he can adapt to her control
@kodoqbesar43018 ай бұрын
What I'm wondering is who would win between Makima and Ultimate Kars. Kars literally saw Hamon for like 2 seconds and developed his own Hamon hundreds of times more potent. Can Kars just suddenly gains Makima's abilities?
@JimairoIsdoggo8 ай бұрын
I mean unless makima does what she dis to chainsawman send en to space makima cant realy kill kars
@ell18958 ай бұрын
What Kars gonna do against BANG?
@NeutralFork8 ай бұрын
...heal? @@ell1895
@slickprick10308 ай бұрын
@@JimairoIsdoggo makima bangs kars to space, its perfect for kars
@zk-vd6uy8 ай бұрын
@@slickprick1030unless Kars cut his arm and throw it at opposite direction at full force in shorts if Kars understand physic
@victorkaranja14208 ай бұрын
Bruh I have so many problems with these makima (or csm in general but she's usually the character in these) v JJK battles and usually it's cus they really fail to understand badic plot points or abilities/ ideas from csm. And while this actually was pretty favourable for her, still gotta say, bro she does not fight like that, she'd dip out using any one of her teleportation abilities and use a myriad of abilities on maho, probably till she realises they don't work, then bfr or something, any straightfoward combat she ever did was only shown during darkness( that was way too pivotal of a fight for her not to be there) or pochita, where she showed up cus she was a fan. Sorry if this reads too strong btw.
@maniac73028 ай бұрын
Bro she does fight like this she personally showed up to body Reze and Quanxi Makima has only ever done something like what you’re saying once on an extremely fast and long range opponent every other time she does fights in person
@victorkaranja14208 ай бұрын
@@maniac7302 Dawg the heck do you mean? She went there to get an easy up on the kill counter, otherwise it's very impersonal or if it's an instant win like reze she engages ( which it clearly wasn't even a fight, just an assassination) plus not getting into the fact that she probably just wanted to be there to personally add them to her collection of limited edition collectable hybrids. Like, literally the whole series is just her sitting back and watching the fireworks when she could do something all the time, she just doesn't or is often met with out of hand situations which effect her objectives so she has to figure them out.
@stricknit8 ай бұрын
@@victorkaranja1420 yeah everytime they do those vs with her they put her straight up jumping when shes more than a Kenjaku type she will pull shit behind the scenes and call it a day.
@ginnogianni1980Ай бұрын
@@maniac7302 thats cause she thought they were inferior to her. you gotta be an absolute lunatic to see mahoraga at a first glance and go like "yeah i can probably box with him"
@senjusan63598 ай бұрын
Wheel does act independently, have you even read Sukuna vs Gojo fight? Even unconscious, the wheel still turned and adapted. The sole fact that you can summon wheel alone is enough to show that wheel is independent
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
Yeah but, that was a tamed Mahoraga, not the Mahoraga of the Shibuya arc. Sukuna summoned the wheel, not Mahoraga, so Mahoraga by itself can’t have an independent wheel to my knowledge
@abdullahmertozdemir94378 ай бұрын
Summoning wheel does not prove it is independent. Sukuna used the elephant's ability without summoning it to create a water jet, what part of the elephant would he need to summon that can act independently? Its trunk? Right between his two hands?
@ifanythingiwant8 ай бұрын
Dharmachakra isn't independent of Mahoraga or whoever's using it. Sukuna using it on himself is no different than him using Max Elephant's water by himself. It being able to function while unconscious or while using his technique is a bit more complicated. Basically, when he was unconscious/using Shrine, Dharmachakra wasn't active, it was paused. When it's active, it's white and will turn to adapt to things. When it's paused, it's grayed out and doesn't pause. Sukuna was pausing the wheel to do other stuff. This is the same as Higuruma using Domain Amplification and RCT while keeping the Executioner's Sword active, he was just pausing it to do other stuff.
@dominicwoodford57118 ай бұрын
What if Mahoraga could adapts in advance to the future devil 🤨
@senjusan63598 ай бұрын
@@ifanythingiwant If being unconscious stops adaptation, then the wheel wouldn't turn after Gojo knocked out Sukuna with his first black flash
@vex62988 ай бұрын
AYYY MY VIDEO IDEA GOT RELEASED, also completely agree
@K3nshin238 ай бұрын
If he aint dead in 1 shot, he Adapting 🗿
@Vsevolodbochkov8 ай бұрын
Nah, he'd adapt
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
Adapting ≠ adapted
@bullettime11168 ай бұрын
Then what if he kept getting one shot multiple different times with multiple different phenomenon, attacks, and contracts, if he died to a 15 finger sukuna there is no way in hell he's survived makima
@ALLTFG7 ай бұрын
@@bullettime1116Nah, he’d adapt
@bullettime11167 ай бұрын
@@ALLTFG ah yes adapt to getting oneshot
@doublebbastard75148 ай бұрын
Are my eyes deceiving me, did Makima finally win a cross verse battle?
@fangirl33238 ай бұрын
And the fact it's jjk too
@amimir41778 ай бұрын
Makima is actually extremely strong, people just underestimate her by absolutely no reason.
@jasonlittle61618 ай бұрын
Most of the time csm characters constantly get discredited and their abilities ignored which can even be seen in this comment section by people saying "mahoraga would adapt" or "she can't one shot him" etc etc
@Deflamed_Sphere5 ай бұрын
@@amimir4177 fr and even if she does win people will think your bias or a fan of makima like bruh
@Braindeadphella2 ай бұрын
Sukuna would win he has the ability of plot armor
@makimasupremacy99452 ай бұрын
I think Makima with Angel and prime minister contract is enough to lowkey defeat Mahoraga. Angel Devil Weapons is Versitile and have different set of effects and it can get more powerful the more lifespan you spent on it. (Makima just need to use his Prime minister contract for it) So she have a way to attack Mahoraga in different type of ways and a way to One shot him.
@garutshe62038 ай бұрын
Mahoraga regeneration is crazy since he healed through on onsault of attacks from sukuna's domain which are amplified cleaves and dismantles with cleave already adapting to the targets cursed energy to deal more damage. Remember if he is continuely exposed to a phenomenon he will just adapt to it instantly if he doesn't die in one hit, so pulling out multiple devil contracts will just give him more things to adapt to till he eventually he adapts to, punches, slashes, stabs, bitten or really anything making most attacks useless.
@khulmach96628 ай бұрын
That was only possible because Mahoraga already adapted to Dismantle and started adapting to slashes/cuts in general.
@afkijkuit40578 ай бұрын
He only survived the domain because Mahoraga already adapted to slashes. The narrator even mentions that cleave would have killed him if he just adapted to dismantle.
@dominicwoodford57118 ай бұрын
She one taps him. Sukuna blew him away with an arrow that is city level. She blew denji to the moon which requires above city levels of ap
@faertios04048 ай бұрын
@@dominicwoodford5711dude there is no need to be that complicated. Does Makima can oneshot mahoraga (like all body vaporized thing)? She wins. Does she has enough attack speed to blast him into nothingness with several hits before the wheel makes a turn? She wins. She can't do any of the above? She loses. That's it, no need of powerscaling or anything. Because every match up against Mahoraga is just that simple.
@khulmach96628 ай бұрын
@@dominicwoodford5711 Makima fired at Pochita multiple times to keep him in the sky and kept firing until he was in space.
@hinshue65129 күн бұрын
Bro glazing too much for makima😭
@darkside25898 ай бұрын
If makima knows of makoras abillity its a lw-medium diff for her. But if she doesnt know his adaptability power she gets a extreme diff for makima. She wins 9 times out of 10.
@lasagna6658 ай бұрын
"nah, id win" - Mahoraga, goat of jjk
@robertohuerta77612 ай бұрын
nah shed lose as it would need to be an attack he's never faced before so slices like from swords don't work only way I see makima winning is like sacrificing a lot of people to angel devil to one shot but then again its mahorage hell win
@shokouthecat280Ай бұрын
@@robertohuerta7761 She low diffs him only because it'll take her a bit to figure out he's adapting but when she does, she'll shoot him into space
@robertohuerta7761Ай бұрын
@@shokouthecat280 and hell adapt to space
@shokouthecat280Ай бұрын
@@robertohuerta7761 Mahoraga adapts to attacks theres nothing to show he could adapt to space (Even if he can he won't be able to just fly back to earth)
@oneofevery93653 ай бұрын
Mind control also can't effect him. So really it boils down to her restraining him ,physically, and blowing him apart down to every last atom. (Not just a mush of blood with "bang") Would he win? Nah. He wouldn't lay a finger on her even if he successfully adapts to her hole move set because of all the things she can throw at him.
@Crimzonbreaker8 ай бұрын
I'm curious as to if Nakima shot Mahoraga into outer space would he actually manage to adapt to not freeze, not require oxygen, and be able to travel through space to return to the planet?
@redelux94728 ай бұрын
probably he adapted to no being able to breathe in water to I'm assuming he can do the same in space
@zk-vd6uy8 ай бұрын
Mahoraga can adapt to any phenomena even gods erasing him and survive it(if he can adapt it without dying)
@tymoteuszmotyka28498 ай бұрын
It would adapt but I don't see how it could adapt to lack of gravity. It would just float in the space like Kars
@badroboudjerda43948 ай бұрын
Kars moment
@kratosshit41008 ай бұрын
He probably could. He adapted being underwater by using gills
@motornoise58308 ай бұрын
“Babe wake up no operator just dropped”
@bu11ymaguire8 ай бұрын
Dropped deez nuts..
@Lordmaster1358 ай бұрын
Thanks hon
@westay49248 ай бұрын
Nah I'd adapt - Mahoraga
@tyranthrxus8 ай бұрын
I think both Makima's and Mahoraga's abilities are too unknown how they would act to each other that there is no concrete victor. In my opinion at least
@Meliodas-uv1tp7 ай бұрын
Makima simply doesn’t have the ap to kill him and after only a few minutes of any of her moves being used on him they will be useless. Even her ability to transfer damage would be adapted to and either nulfied/ ignored or he uses some ability to kill everything in her contract at once. He also has sukuna’s cursed technique at a low level which he can also adapt so he definitely wins lol
@makimasupremacy99452 ай бұрын
@@Meliodas-uv1tp Bro Makima literally kill Gun Devil in Miliseconds after its initial attack 500km away from her. So what you mean by lack of AP my dude...
@Blackjesus3278 ай бұрын
I don’t agree with this. Yes she has a slew of abilities, but she’s lacking speed and attack potency with a lot of her devils. The snake devil would do nothing at all. He’s not taking a bite lol. Mahoraga can even change his size and crush it. The finger gun is not bypassing his durability, and he adapted to things like negative distance being made and the universe correcting it. Or infinite information being flooded into you. Her abilities are without a doubt getting adapted to. They aren’t even that complicated. She gets blitzed and washed. All she can do is stall.
@joevillarreal1758 ай бұрын
Why are the pew pews not bypassing his durability? They shoot clean through their target no matter what.
@gilgamesh659023 күн бұрын
@@joevillarreal175no they don't which you would know if you had read the manga especially since it didn't even injure the chainsaw devil and only pushed him
@joevillarreal17523 күн бұрын
@@gilgamesh6590 bro what do you think happens when a force strong enough to blast you into space hits you? Im literally staring at the blood coming out of his mouth from the impact.
@person544548 ай бұрын
Even Ignoring the stuff about makima’s control and and her contract, maho definetly gets destroyed by makima, she has way too many abilities to take out maho with and she could def one shot him with angels power. If none of that works she’ll just send him into space. Also regarding makima controlling maho, she could probably tell him to stop adapting, after all the wheel seems to respond to his will so makima can just change his will to make him not adapt to her.
@SilentKiller-sm5uo8 ай бұрын
It's wouldn't work as you need to defeat him and her telling him to not adapt won't work as the wheel will still keep spinning to get rid of the mind control and bang isn't really strong as chainsaw man could take it head on and mahoraga regeneration would help him throughout this battle and most of the devil's like snake devil would be useless as it's just a giant snake and mahoraga gets stronger,faster and more durable and hitting him with the same attack will just help him adapt faster
@afkijkuit40578 ай бұрын
@@SilentKiller-sm5uo Makima doesn't have to keep throwing individual attacks at him. She can combine several contracts into one much stronger attack like she used against the Gun Devil. She's definitely smart enough to do that once she sees the adaptation in action. Honestly the only way I can see Maho winning is if Makima sees him as a possible way to kill Chainsaw Man and tries to subjugate him instead of just killing him. Depends on how much he's adapted by the time she realizes that and how fast he can adapt to her prime minister contract.
@SilentKiller-sm5uo8 ай бұрын
@@afkijkuit4057 mahoraga would dodge that attack or if it destroyed half of it's body adapt to it and domination won't work as you need to take down the shigama and his adapt faster the more the attack or ability is used like the chains and prime minister The combination attack of makima would work if she doesn't get either speed blitz or mahoraga just dodge's the attack before it could strike him
@thelegacyofgaming29288 ай бұрын
She would need an attack stronger than the fire arrow that Sukuna did. Idk if any of her attacks are that strong.
@SilentKiller-sm5uo8 ай бұрын
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 they aren't but will give mahoraga a struggle atleast
@awakening39408 ай бұрын
I believe mahoraga can adapt to the control power but not the prime minister contract and makima bang ability does not bypass durability so mahoraga will be fine
@CorvoThan8 ай бұрын
He did managed to adapt to infinity. And lets not for get that genji managed to beat the contract with the prime minister. Do seriously belief mahoraga wont find a way too?
@RennHans8 ай бұрын
Plus, it is literally any and all phenomena and I don’t know what you think that it means but a devil contract is a phenomena
@LoudYapper8 ай бұрын
Yep all true
@sryc8 ай бұрын
@@CorvoThanmaybe a little bit of spoilers but Mahoraga adapted to gojo's ability and in power equalization I would say that a contract is a technique so it makes sense for Mahoraga to be able to adapt to makama
@GuyShōtō8 ай бұрын
@@CorvoThan Denji's getting around the contract stemmed from his morbid sense of love in eating Makima. I don't know if Mahoraga has the sentience to pull that off. Though considering Agito and Mahoraga were in a loving relationship and were Sukuna's parents, maybe the ever adapting General could pull it off.
@PowerAids8 ай бұрын
since we equalized the verses, wouldn't mahoraga one shot makima with his sword since devils are curses ? edit : there's also only few of makima's contracts that could be useful against mahoraga, we can already count out the hybrids, since they only have one type of attack, then we have the snake, mahoraga would easily be able to regenerate from a bite and if it went for another mahoraga would instantly adapt as that is how his technique works, the chains, saying mahoraga would lose any free will and sense of self would imply that it had any of those to begin with , which he doesn't , bang, it couldn't completely remove power from existence, or that might just be makima letting some parts of power there to break denji, even if i don't think so, it would take multiple bangs to erase maho and 2 hits is already too much, the prime minister contract, as mentionned prior, makima wouldn't be able to redirect damage to anyone else since mahoraga's sword would completely erase her, the future devil, maho doesn't really have a counter play against that, but maybe as we've seen with gojo mahoraga can find a way to hit makima by just making his attacks unavoidable ? or maybe doing some crazy shit again like against gojo where he would like erase the future or smth ? or he could just kill the future devil since it doesn't really have any mobility, the angel stuff, if we take in the scenario that you put in your video ( even if it is highly unlikely considering that the snake devil taking a bite out of mahoraga wouldn't really be complicated like gojo or sukuna's techniques since it's litterally just a bite ) , that would be two hits , and also if we knew what the giant spear actually did we'd have an answer, like, if it instantly erased something the instant it touches something or if it burned that thing until it didn't exist anymore, i am betting on the ladder option considering the nature of angel devil, since he is technically a living organism capable of metabolism i'd doubt the spear would as complicated as instantly erasing something even if it just grazes it, especially since the years of life taken come from living things, it wouldn't make sense for just years of life to rewrite the universe into removing something and finally the punishment devil is really underwhelming, because a single hit wouldn't at all be able to take down mahoraga, since it couldn't even kill 1/5th of the gun devil
@gallyalgaliarept4108 ай бұрын
yeah not only that if mahoraga adapts to devil contracts in general he would literally just trivialise every single one of her moves.
@_Mika_Mika_8 ай бұрын
no💀
@PowerAids8 ай бұрын
@@_Mika_Mika_ why tho
@yourashi90828 ай бұрын
@@_Mika_Mika_ it would
@SupaSoldierLegend8 ай бұрын
That was already addressed. Maho can’t even fight makima until adapting to an ability that beats him in 1 shot. Adapting to the prime minister contract will take too long before the ability lands.
@rashawnhoward5648 ай бұрын
I'm not saying Makima would lose, but people see Denji exploit a loop hole in the contract, and say maho can't adapt that's crazy. Maho might catch feelings and eat her a$$, stop playing 🤣
@bullettime11168 ай бұрын
Maybe if makima only used 2 moves in her massive arsenal of devils, contracts, and weapons, had her hands and feet tied behind her back and was focusing on a movie would she get no diffed
@rashawnhoward5648 ай бұрын
Are you saying if she was trying she'd get mid or high diffed? I'm not sure what you're saying. @@bullettime1116
@4546BeanАй бұрын
Something that I think would be really interesting is if mahoraga adapted the hybrid’s immortality, which could potentially lead to mahoraga gaining the power of the chainsaw devil
@notarobot35315 ай бұрын
After a few hits and realizing that mahoraga will adapt to any phenomenon he gets hit with after a certain amount of time she will either just stack devil powers to one shot mahoraga or send him to hell and let the devils there do the work
@Raidindk20 күн бұрын
if she just builds up things and try to one shot him and he somehow survives he would adapt to all of those things at once and if she sent him to hell he would again just adapt
@WeebGuru68 ай бұрын
Yo no op imagine if kashimo had domain ampflication
@velgard.8 ай бұрын
Imagine if takaba had dark humour
@coolmeliodasd54638 ай бұрын
@@velgard. imagine if takaba was from the balkans
@lanlingwang84898 ай бұрын
I bet he used to have especially a strong domain and in exchange of having his speed amped to match sukuna's he exchanged it for that lol.
@WeebGuru68 ай бұрын
@@lanlingwang8489 i believe it but honestly I wouldn’t give a domain honestly
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@velgard.Literally the Batman who laughs 💀
@TheGarageFreak5 ай бұрын
This fight is complicated. Number one, Mahoraga requires a summoner. If the summoner was controlled it would probably much easier for Makima to control Mahoraga. Number two, defeating Mahoraga in one shot assuming Makima can do such a feat, Because as far as I remember Maho can just phase in and out of shadows to avoid damage (assuming he can do that willingly as an instinct because I had seen that in the Manga Gojo vs Sukuna, Mahoraga grabbed Gojo from the Shadows). Number three, Mahoraga isn't a one-trick pony, plus Maho is brainless. I mean it doesn't strategize lest it's tamed then the user can make Mahoraga strategize. Number four, would Makima even eliminate such a valuable asset to her? I think she would just take control of it, to use it in one her future plans than actually K*ll it. Because Mahoraga is useful... very very useful.
@drizzziit1Ай бұрын
Not true maho is not brainless when untamed. He used strategy and became smarter versus Sukuna, adapting his fighting style to counter his slashes.
@TheGarageFreakАй бұрын
@@drizzziit1 That's probably the shikigami's instincts. Unlike pure strategy. Maho never plans. He just has the ability to adapt.
@startedfromathread25398 ай бұрын
Even if factoring in Maho's Adaptation, I feel like people are vastly underestimating how powerful Makima's abilities are because they aren't all that flashy and haven't been shown off a lot like in JJK Things like the punishment devil, Bangs, hell devil, and so on would smoke maho before he could regen. Maho has shown, at best, small town level durability. Which would put him around the gun devil level being generous. Let's say he does adapt to the contract and even control for that matter. Maho would have a hard time even hitting Makima with her foresight, speed, and teleportation. Makima should be at least fast enough to predict Maho, if not outright blitz him being fast enough to beat the darkness devil, in a quick draw, who dwarfs the gun devil who was able to decimate several countries in five minutes. Moving so fast, pieces of it were burning off, and Makima no-diffed it. Also, Makima's bangs have a higher AP than most of the stuff in JJK, being both strong and fast enough to send Pochita into space with four shots and only four shots. Maho's getting obliterated by that before he can adapt to it if makima goes rapid fire and if not, then the 1,000-year spear will, (which she can easily bump up a few eons if she needs too) if not, the punishment devil will, and if not, then he gets sent to hell. Makima just has waaaay too much shit to throw at Maho for him to adapt to, and Maho doesn't have the time nor durability to adapt to Makima's abilities in order to counter in any meaningful way. And even if he did Makima's precog and speed would make hitting her hell for Maho
@CJ-qv4sd8 ай бұрын
Makima sending pochita to space doesn’t prove she has higher AP than anyone in JJK at all especially when you have characters that can survive black holes with their cursed techniques 💀 Makima is not faster than mahoraga who was able to keep up with Gojo during the Gojo vs Sukuna fight and they are both faster than lightning and near relativistic speeds None of her abilities have the firepower to take down mahoraga in one hit except for the 1000 year spear and even that might not work because mahoraga is a shikigami so we don’t know if he truly has a lifespan or not
@SilentKiller-sm5uo8 ай бұрын
Mahoraga has kept up with characters like gojo and sukuna so his quite fast and gun devil wasn't destroying countries but city's and most of makima's abilities wouldn't work like mind control and bang wouldn't one shot as chainsaw man wasn't getting turned into 🧀 by that attack and makima wasn't able to dodge the gun devil's bullets even when seeing into the future and mahoraga if kept being attacked and not one shot he can adapt to it faster and most of the devil's makima have can't hurt him or can't one shot him fast enough Mahoraga in space is no problem as he can adapt to being in space and try to come back to earth and speed blitz her
@lasagna6658 ай бұрын
you are such a yapper bro, you really need to touch some real women instead of getting off to makima's feet
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@CJ-qv4sdSurviving a black hole using anti gravity doesn't scale dura.
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@CJ-qv4sdAngel's weapons aren't dependent of their target having a life span. Her ability to absorb life span would be dependent on that.
@rodrigoandorinha92598 ай бұрын
Mahoraga´s regeneration ability is so op even the infinite cuts from sukuna´s domain and he adapted to the concept of cutting And i think its kinda unfair using a character against a being from a ability. Like , its only a tenth of the technique even if its the strongest shikigami And most devils can´t make enough damage to take him down
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
She has devils that scale to a the gun devil bruh. She can definitely do enough damage.
@xvittsl53838 ай бұрын
@@jackaboynaylor9273she can but that boy maharaga is literally a fucking monster he’s going to fuck up that gun devil
@PowerAids8 ай бұрын
@@jackaboynaylor9273 all the weapon devils don't do enough damage, punishment devil has to get multiple hits to do anything, and a bullet isn't doing anything to maho, and don't even mention the snake devil, to damage mahoraga you gotta be as strong as a giant flaming meteorie so most of makima's contract aren't doing anything, the only two i see working are the angel devil, the 1000 year spear might be able to damage maho but not if mahoraga adapts to burning ( 1 the spear is smiting which is burning and two he will adapt to burning because of the bomb and flamethrower devils ) the other one being able to do anything is future devil because maho doesn't really have a way to adapt to future sight
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@xvittsl5383He wishes he was fast enough to catch it or even reach its initial position.
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@PowerAidsWhy does it need multiple to do anything? Why can't each hit do significant damage?
@broham98772 ай бұрын
It doesn’t even matter if Makima can beat it, if she thinks that she’s better than him she will be able to control him, she also is equipped with multiple contract abilities that will be able to eviscerate him to the point where there’s nothing left.
@grantmiddlebrooks17042 ай бұрын
You think she gonna think he better or better yet that ge wouldn’t adapt to that
@i_love-Men6 күн бұрын
@@grantmiddlebrooks1704 yes, makima would infact think she is better than an almost mindless machine
@grantmiddlebrooks17046 күн бұрын
@@i_love-Men but he look like big monster Yk
@toobostono8 ай бұрын
"Mahoraga's weel adapt to all phenomenon" This guy: nuh uh he aight adapting to makima
@Replied_ByMeatr1der58 ай бұрын
Cuz duh, do we see Mahoraga adapting to RCT??? Healing ain't something Mahoraga has shown to be able to adapt. He only adapted to cursed techniques served as offense and defence. Not once he stole someone's cursed energy to stop them from adapting which is the same as you saying he'd adapt to her contract
@lasagna6658 ай бұрын
dude even if he cant adapt to the contract he'll literally just kill all of japan, you act like her not being able to die off rip is enough to save her when it really just gives her more time to soak in how utterly fucked she is
@khulmach96628 ай бұрын
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5 Makima's contract with the minister is closer to Gojo's infinite than Rct. Its a Phenomenon, Sukuna said Mahoraga can change its curse energy properties and that was the reason it was able to bypass Gojo's limitless the first time. Changing itself to cut at the chains connecting to the Prime Minister is entirely within reason.
@partystarter80417 ай бұрын
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5BECAUSE IS HE HITTING RCT ITSELF, HE AINT BEING HALTED OR AFFECTED BY IT!!
@kmidu41373 ай бұрын
@@khulmach9662 correct. i just had a talk with someone and he quoted "attacks made on me will be changed" meaning its an ability and not regneration not only that but its an ability that counters the attacker and anything that can be used on mahoraga can be adapted to
@antimnaftan475520 күн бұрын
Mahoraga is immune to being controled it is stated in the show that cursed spirits and shikigami cannot be controled if it is bound to someone else. Makima would just have a Geto situation and then get folded once Mahoraga adapts to her contract's invincibility
@KTHO8308 ай бұрын
W vid keep it up.If you could pls I would love a vid of Chainsaw Man cast vs Their Juujustu Kaisen cast counterparts.That would be a nice video.Anyways Great Video
@PamelaWilliams-k3bАй бұрын
Did he just call The Shield Hero anime trash 👀
@CorvoThan8 ай бұрын
seriously? If mahoraga is not killed with an attack, it starts to adapt, when its finished a adaptation, its resets itself to a state before the attack and contnues adaptation. So any contact would be reversed until they could not take a hold any longer.
@josephvaccariello41818 ай бұрын
Makima would likely just notice her grip slipping while it adapts and then just kill Mahoraga while its adapting to her control
@CorvoThan8 ай бұрын
@@josephvaccariello4181 but has she a surehit-surekill attack? And her controll would not slip, she would lose it when Mahoragas body gets reset. And lets say she has a sure-kill attack, so had gojo, even multiple, and still he did not managed to kill him immidietly. All are just looking at their special abilities but that is not an instant win or lose thing. And when it comes to direct closecombat (which i assume when she beliefs to have him under controll) than mahoraga has the advantage with his curse-killing blade. No sure thing, i know, but not as close as the video makes you belief.
@muza38138 ай бұрын
@@CorvoThani wont read everything you say but yes makima has alot of one shot-ability Shit she can summon door to hell and make a contrack to dark devil Angel ability is enough tho
@CorvoThan8 ай бұрын
@@muza3813 angle could make it worse. Adaption only takes time and becomes faster the more often he gets hit by the thing he is adapting too. And again oneshot-abilities do not necessary cut it. Gojo and sukuna had what was necessary but one only managed to kill mahoraga in a domain and the other because the one controlling the shikigami made a mistake.
@dripjaeger34758 ай бұрын
@@muza3813I thought angels ability was to take away the lifespan of someone through contact, how would you take away the lifespan of a shikigami that doesn’t age? Edit: searched up and it does say angels ability is to take lifespan with touch
@Royal_editz22Ай бұрын
0:01 Mahoraga is called divine general for a reason, just like gojo and sukuna and many other character's makima also have sence of understanding how powerful and destructive opponent can be. I genuinely dont think makima can control maho , yes maho adapts 1 attack at 1 time but it depends upon attack or technique how powerful it is. Not that if makima summons army maho adapts 1 slash = he addapted all slashes. If makima uses snake devil and maho isnt stupid standing there and taking hit. He gets hit with snake devil power at leg he adapts snake devil is useless. Now 1 point if makima uses her most powerful attack. And attack which have potential to 1 shot maho. Then keep in mind sukuna was able to hit maho with fire arrow only cuz maho was on his knees . And makika too have stamina and all things, once she uses any attack shr will also lose stamina + maho's stamina is more then makima's and whatever that contact may do. Its a sort of regen tech that makima have and hence its a regen tech it will need stamina. Also if we keep in mind makima's strongest attack might have long range too. So yea it will hit maho but till the time maho will be out of the range. So he wont die to it, and starts adapting it. Even if she can see future bcz of future devil, mahos sences that he can see sukuna's slashes which r invisible bcz lf its speed will make no diff so future devil wasted, the only thing thich stands in betwn is contact. Now even if japans population was 125m smthing at that time . But makima at most can regenerate 50k times, cuz of stamina. Dude it litrally makes no sence if a character have regenerative ability which uses no stamina. And maho can ezly stomp her 50k times. It would be a long fight ( cuz of contract) but yea maho got 70% win rate. I too dunno a lot things abt makima, since im not simp for bitches i dont watch csm. But yea if makima's regeneration is without stamina then she will more likely get extreme difference win but if its with stamina, maho rocks mid diff
@ThatGuy-ct8qf8 ай бұрын
Now we need that makima vs sukuna
@TojiBackWithTheMilk8 ай бұрын
Sukuna dogwalks just because he massively outstats and via verse equalization Sukuna could use Rct (because Makima would be considered a curse) to one shot her
@SupaSoldierLegend8 ай бұрын
If sukuna doesn’t have 10s to help him then he has no chance. He needs a way around the prime minister contract.
@herrscheroflust8 ай бұрын
@@TojiBackWithTheMilk rct to oneshot? what are you reading my man
@Thesnowyman8 ай бұрын
@@SupaSoldierLegendyou can overpower her healing factor, i don't know What that would do to the contract tho
@Alphaj0r8 ай бұрын
@@TojiBackWithTheMilkSame sukuna who got hard pressed at 75% of his power by yuji(who got blitzed by a naoya at subsonic speeds) and maki?(who couldnt kept up in travel speed with a naoya at not full speed) Hakari also got blitzed many times by kashimo lightning, making the time he "dodge" one, useless in a debate, and lets not forget that sukuna couldnt see yuji coming from behind him in the recent chapters lol, lets not forget that no characters scales to their CT, like how sukuna's fire arrow vaporized shibuya yet sukuna himself said jogo's meteor would harm him.
@brennanlable7 ай бұрын
does Makima have the AP feats to prove she can one shot annihilate Mahoraga? no. does Mahoraga's adaptation happen automatically? yes. Makima loses
@GunshyFever6 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? No
@Veshremy_fan231Ай бұрын
Makima or whoever tf is mid compared to big raga
@JustAza218 ай бұрын
Uhm Mahoraga is stronger faster and has better stats then everyone in chainsaw man. Mahoraga adapted to gojo's unlimited void and infinity which are very complicated techinques and u think it'll take him time to adapt to contracts? Plus the devils wont do much damage to Mahoraga as he has insane durability.
@charleshot258 ай бұрын
Mahoraga is not getting controlled by Makima for two reasons. The ONLY way to subjugate the shikigami is via the subjugation ritual. That in and of itself nullifies Makima's control ability. The other reason is that power was able to break out of her control through sheer will. We also need to remember that if makima deems herself inferior to her opponent, she has to best them in combat in order to take control of like. (Almost like Mahoraga's subjugation ritual) Based off this fact, we can conclude she saw herself as inferior to the Bomb Devil, as Makima beat her before she was able to use her. To further prove my point, if something doesn't kill Mahoraga, he starts adapting. He's going to be able to adapt to Makima's control and break free even if she was somehow able to control him. Her contract shouldn't be a problem either since Mahoraga can adapt to ANYTHING. The damn thing found a way to adapt to Achilies Paradox (Gojo's Infinity) and cut space itself. That is a physics defying feat. Based off that, I find it hard to believe Mahoraga wouldn't be able to bypass her contract, especially since Deji was able to do it.
@ifanythingiwant8 ай бұрын
The only way to get Mahoraga under the control of a Ten Shadows user is to successfully exorcise. This is specifically referring to the Ten Shadows, not subjugating it in general. That's like if someone had a pocket-world, and as long as they were in it, they're invincible. Then once they left, someone jumped them and was able to injure them because they're no longer invincible. You would see this and think, "That's not how that works! He's supposed to be invincible!" Also, Power never "broke free" from Makima's control, and I don't get why people think that. Makima demanded that Power hand over CHAINSAW MAN, but Power, as far as she knew, was holding DENJI, so she wasn't effected. As for Reze, no, Makima didn't need to best her in combat because one, it was Angel who did most of the work, not Makima, and two, Makima just enjoys killing people. She's a Devil, it's in her nature. She killed Quanxi when she could've just controlled her, as with what remained of her harem. Even Nayuta, who is a different person from Makima and much more human-like, isn't against killing people. She has also used her control power on people before beating them in combat. Another example is Angel, who doesn't feel any innate desire to help people and casually eats corpses. Lastly, you act like Infinity is scientifically impossible to bypass, when it could be finessed around by a multitude of things from just moving with infinite speed to using an attack that can slip between atoms, like a laser. Of course, Mahoraga cut through space to just ignore it. However, I don't see Mahoraga being able to adapt to something as esoteric as Makima's immortality. Infinity is a physical thing, Contracts are concepts.
@rashawnhoward5648 ай бұрын
He would be able to adapt by definition of his power, and infinity isn't physical. Nothing has ever been proven to be infinite physically. Infinity is a mathematical concept, that Gojo's power is based on and proven wrong physically. If he can adapt to a paradox he can adapt to a contract. @@ifanythingiwant
@charleshot258 ай бұрын
@@ifanythingiwant Jesus this is going to be a long one. I doubt you'll even read all of this but regardless, I wouldn't feel right if I didn't respond with evidence and proper counter claims so here goes. First off, nothing you said disproves the fact that Mahoraga could be permanently taken control of by Makima. He adapts to any and all phenomena. It doesn't matter what it is. Once Makima tries that shit, he's going to adapt to it and break free. If it doesn't kill him, he adapts. That's just how it works. Second. You do not understand how Infinity works. It CANNOT be bypassed by simply going at infinite speed or using a laser like you suggested. (That second option doesn't even make sense because if that were true, someone within the jjk verse that knows how infinity works like Kenjaku, who's been fighting and killing six eyes users like Gojo for hundreds of years, or Sukuna, would've done that instead of having to go through roundabout methods like using Domain Amplification and Mahoraga to bypass it) Infinity is not a physical thing, its a concept. You're being slowed down so that you never reach Gojo. Infinity functions the same way an Asymptote in pre calculus does. The graph of a function, will approach a certain value when you take its limit at infinity but it will never actually reach or "touch" that value or point on a graph. Lets say I'm wrong and you're right (which you're not) and that you'd have to move at infinite speed to bypass infinity. That statement in and of itself proves my point that you need to defy physics in order to bypass infinity because it is impossible for anything to move at infinite speed. Moving at that speed is a physics defying feat. Again, the fact that Mahoraga was able to get around a concept that defies the laws of Physics like that means that he'd have no issue getting past Makima's contract. Again Denji was able to do it by simply changing his mindset from killing her as an act of malace to an act of mercy. Mahoraga who adapts to any and all phenomena could do the same. Third. Power DID resist and break Makima's control of her. I'll even give you the damn Chapter numbers so you can see for yourself. Chainsaw Man chapter 90: Makima: "Power be a good girl and hand over chainsaw man. Do it and I won't kill you. I'll let you be my pet again" Power looks up at Makima, Makima stares back, Power looks down in fear. Power: "You're wish is my command. In fact I captured this fool" Power proceeds to hand chainsaw man over. Chainsaw Man Chapter 91: Makima: "Power, put chainsaw man down on the ground. Power?" Power remembers all the good times she had with Denji and DOES NOT put him on the ground. Power: Why did I defy Makima? It can't be more clear than that. Makima gave her TWO seperate commands. The first was to hand chainsaw man over which she was doing. The Second, was for her to put chainsaw man on the ground. She did not do that. She instead ran away with him and was baffled as to why she did that. If Makima could control her in that instance, Power would've put him on the ground. I rest my case
@ifanythingiwant8 ай бұрын
@@charleshot25 First: Yes, Mahoraga would be able to eventually adapt to Makima's control, but she could still control him for a time before his wheel can turn. (For all we know, she could just command him to not adapt, but I don't think Mahoraga actually has any control over Dharmachakra so let's not count this) Either way, she'd be able to at least stall him with it as the adaptation isn't instantaneous and it takes a couple hits for him to adapt. Second: Infinity is a physical thing, not a concept. The way Limitless works is that it allows the user to manipulate space at the atomic level. Infinity is simply fucking with space to infinitely slow things. Thus, due to working at the atomic level, something smaller could go through it and hit Gojo. Also, the reason nobody has tried to use a laser is because they're insanely hard to come by. Also, light passes through Infinity anyways so Gojo would literally have to blind himself in order to block a laser, if Infinity can block sub-atomic/non-physical things. And even assuming that Infinity is a concept doesn't physically exist, it still wouldn't mean that Maho was able to bypass a concept, it just found a way to side-step it by technically not going through Infinity and just directly hitting Gojo. Lastly, Power was loyal to Makima to begin with. She would've done as she asked regardless of Makima controlling her, but she chose to ignore her because of her not wanting to just give up someone she cared about. And again, even if Makima did try to control Power, she asked for Chainsaw Man, not Denji. Power only saw Denji in what she was carrying, so she would've ignored it. Also, I've real all of Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen, and I read JJK before CSM, so this isn't fan-bias.
@charleshot258 ай бұрын
@@ifanythingiwant See now you're trying to use Mental Gymnastics. Mahoraga's adaptation speed is based off how complicated the thing he's trying to adapt to is. Being controlled (which he's already familiar with) wouldn't take him long to adapt to. Especially since Makima's control ability isn't complicated. Again, Infinity is not a physical thing. That would imply that it's a barrier, which it is not. The Series has made this clear. Every time an explanation of barrier techniques comes up, everything BUT Infinity is mentioned and I already explained the mathematical implications for this so im not going to repeat myself. Go look up Achilles Paradox. That's what Infinity is based off. Infinity isn't something you can touch it's a paradox. In theory you can divide the distance between you and an object an infinite amount of times which means you'd never be able to reach said object. While this concept is true, it doesn't work like that in real life because eventually you'd be able to reach the object. Again, "space" in this context is a plane of existence. You can't touch it therefore it is not physical. Sukuna himself said he had to target space and existence itself to get through Infinity. The sentence in your second paragraph doesn't make any god damn sense either. "Side stepping" Infinity? The hell? That just another way of saying to bypass in this context. And again Sukuka said himself, he targeted EXISTENCE ITSELF to get through Infinity. Existence is a concept. Now on to the lasers. You think obscurity is a problem for a series in which someone has a technique that utilizes electro magnetic waves to attack his foes? Or someone that can use throw out a purple orb made of imaginary mass? Kashimo came from a time period that predates Gojo and so did Kenjaku. If lasers were an option, Kenjaku would've figured it out. The existence of the prison realm and the inverted spear of heaven proves my point ad there are only one of those items each. That whole thing with power is mental gymnastics. I'll say it again. Makima gave power two commands. She obeyed one and disobeyed the second. That means, she was able to Resist Makima's control. Don't try to separate Denji and Chainsaw Man and use that as an argument because that doesn't hold up. That is semantics. They are effectively the same person here. Power knows it Makima knows it, everyone knows it.
@austinwesterback2679Ай бұрын
It is in my opinion that Makima would likely not realize that mahoraga is adapting to her attacks until something beyond her control chain ability, which would give him a considerable advantage. Her two big guns, the angel devil’s 1000 year attack, and the punishment devil would likely not be used until she realizes that he is slowly adapting and becoming stronger as well as faster as she makes attacks on him, however the fact that she can keep coming back to life means she has effectively infinite time to figure his ability out, which took Sukuna a little while to, and considering he was the strongest sorcerer of his time, as well as the experience he has, I think it is safe to assume that she will take at least a bit longer to figure him out, and at the point that she may realize it, thinking that she has to use her strongest attacks, he has adapted to her fighting style and attack patterns, though this takes a while anyway, he will definitely be able to dodge anything that would require point blank range for annihilation, which I would say spices things up a bit, she still has a good chance considering her wide range of abilities and forms of attack, so being able to restrain him for a little bit so she can get in a fatal hit would definitely be likely. But if Sukuna, with hundreds of years of experience in jujutsu sorcery and combat took the good amount of his fight with mahoraga to determine what was happening, I think Makima would take at least 2 times as long as the battle demon Sukuna, considering that regardless of her true age, her nature holds her back in certain ways. Considering all this, let’s say she takes a while longer to figure his ability out, and she has resorted to using her wide range of abilities and allies, at this point mahoraga has fully adapted to her own fighting style, and she is fending him off with her allies and their abilities. She at this point, either realizes his ability out, or thinks that she has to resort to her most powerful weapons, and at that point, mahoraga has effectively zero percent chance of getting hit without being held in place by multiple other allies, and now he is getting used to all of them, likely forcing her to use both the punishment devil itself to hold him down, and the angel devil’s 1000 year attack to annihilate him in one shot. So, if mahoraga has adapted to attacks from her wide selection of options herself and the options of her allies, the question is: can the punishment devil really beat his adaptations to not only the speed and power of Makima and her allies, but also to their individual abilities and also just to the weapons they use in general? Idk, but I doesn’t think so. Also this is all based on the assumption that she continues to think lowly of mahoraga, and considering the fact it takes time for him to adapt to a good extent at least, it probably halfway works in favor of our favorite eight handled sword divergent sila divine general. Not saying big raga wins, I probably looked over a few things, but I think it would make for a great fight, seeing mahoraga slowly adapt to her attacks and become faster and stronger than even her eventually.
@dominicwoodford57118 ай бұрын
Everyone treats Mahoraga like a no limits fallacy as if he didn’t get erased. And if you want to be technical in anime scaling there’s tiers of erasure an the level tier of erasure required to destroy her scales above Gojos hollow purple so her controlling Mahoraga off rip isn’t far fetched Edit: Didn’t Sukuna fold Mahoraga with a arrow that’s city block level? Makima blew denji to the moon which is above city block ap so she one taps
@thelegacyofgaming29288 ай бұрын
Sorry, but nothing Makima has is higher in destruction level than Hollow Purple. That attack literally erases existence of whatever it touches. She would need domain amplification to not get one shot by it.
@dominicwoodford57118 ай бұрын
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Clearly it doesn’t erase everything it touches Sukuna survived he was burnt that’s it no hole like toji
@inumakisenpai8 ай бұрын
@thelegacyofgaming2928 It just shreds things. It doesn't erase as its virtual mass, and HP is only a city block level attack. Makima is way more potent hacks that will easily kill him and are more powerful than Hollow Purple.
@awkwardbound5698 ай бұрын
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 nobody is talking about Gojo, also Sukuna got hit by hollow purple twice and survived so it clearly doesn't erase existence.
@stricknit8 ай бұрын
@@dominicwoodford5711 The damage that Hollow Purple did to the community is astronomical, where the fuck they assumed it ERASE EXISTENCE? lmfao.
@ahmedtheone39768 ай бұрын
Idek whats the point of debating this people just keeps saying he adapts theres no winning lmao 😭
@Lawlessweeb_San8 ай бұрын
Bro... This video was so good. A friend recommended it on discord and exactly what I said is what you said with more. Personally I agree with you on everything. And I especially agree with you on the part of it being very difficult for Mahoraga to adapt to being Controlled. Because the very act of being a shikigami and answering orders from the ten shadows user literally means, his very actions are controlled by the wielder of the ten shadows techniques. And just like you said... Except the Adaptation is separate from Mahoraga himself, then bro is getting controlled. Also, the arsenal Makima has is just too much for bro to adapt to at once. Way too much. He might never even see Makima throughout the fight. Will just straight up die and lose to her minions. Can you do a Shigaraki vs Sukuna video next. That will be dope ASF. Especially now that both are showing us their strongest and peak forms in their respective mangas and also showing us why they are the definition of EVIL. +1 sub
@billybob27138 ай бұрын
I agree. I think the video is good. The only thing I wish he talked about is well the strength and durability because I see it being a whole different story from there where I would give the win to Mahoraga. But none the less I do think the video is good
@Epta_Null7 ай бұрын
We have to remember though, that it was stated in the Shibuya Arc when Maho was first summoned by Megumi, during Megumi’s explanation of the Ten Shawdows technique to Haturo in order to boost the techniques base power, he states that even though he can include someone in the Subjugation Ritual, it will nullify the subjugation. This is because the possessor of the Ten Shadows Technique is the only one who can Subjugate the shinigami in the Technique, no outside influence can be used to help Subjugate any of them. Sukuna stated this as well, saying he’ll need to defeat Maho as “an outsider” to nullify the ritual. So IMO, I don’t think Makima who be able to control Maho. As the sated in the video the who nature of a Shinigami is to obey its possessor and they are a means to an end. But that’s only in relation to said holder of a shinigami technique.
@shivamhathalia46097 ай бұрын
The worst attack that makima could receive is from his sword , if we use devils as cursed spirits mahoraga could probably one shot her without the contract from the prime minister of Japan
@unendingvoid8 ай бұрын
This is a big counter matchup tbh
@lourdedevilson77398 ай бұрын
People disagreeing about the results as if they never read jjk and how Mahoraga could be overwhelmed and how overwhelming opponents is how makima deal with things😂
@SleepingSoulK8 ай бұрын
Yes but she has no high AP scaling to get her to the point she can even overwhelm Mahoraga she deadass would be throwing water balloons at bro essentially
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@SleepingSoulKShe's at least large town for negging a fifth of the gun devil. Mahoraga has been hurt by attacks in the town ranges and one shot by Sukuna's fire arrow which is city.
@SleepingSoulK8 ай бұрын
@@jackaboynaylor9273 not really that is not a ap based feat but hax based having used all her contracts to kill it we dont know the gun devils durability nor anything like it the Gun devil itself doesnt even have town level ap based off what I seen so I dont see what Makima realistically can do because its not like the same thing could work on Mahoraga
@ranmoses25538 ай бұрын
@@SleepingSoulKwell what about BANG? Even if full power chinasaw man weight is the same as a normal human the power to sent something like that to space with only 4 BANGS is mountain level ap. And that is not even talking about angel 1000 years weapon that can one shot the same chainsaw man who can tank mountain level atteck like nothing.
@SleepingSoulK8 ай бұрын
@@ranmoses2553 A bang didnt even damage chainsaw man but launched him into space but that was at a angle since he was already in the air plus it doesn’t mountain level ap 💀even with four shots its not even wall level shown with power
@Monotone_Fallen8 ай бұрын
mahoraga: thats a cool ability you got there. It would be such a shame if....it didn't work against me
@maritsapretorius3965Ай бұрын
If you watch the anime and manga you will see Mahoraga just needs to look at the opponents attack and he can adapt
@maritsapretorius3965Ай бұрын
And also in the manga Mahoraga just needed to spin his wheel once dismantle abilities
@i_love-Men6 күн бұрын
@@maritsapretorius3965 his wheel only spun once after a *period* of time
@mrducky..8 ай бұрын
I don’t think Makima would view Mahoraga as inherently below her She views all humans as beneath her that is true she see us like we see dogs But she seems to need to prove to herself that she is above devils as weak as even Angel
@joevillarreal1758 ай бұрын
I mean, her power is literally just her ego.
@texjones1993ify8 ай бұрын
This summation was far too generous to Makima. While I'll certainly say she's a strong opponent with a number of options to exploit, I'd say the read on her abilities was a tad inaccurate in instances and disregards conditions that have to be met for her to use certain abilities. 1. While yes, Makima can control those she feels are beneath her, we've also seen that this ability doesn't work immediately, or at least she doesn't open with it. Those she controls were either by, her estimation, solidly weaker than her o rwere individuals she weakened. If she could use it against those stronger than her she would have used it on the Darkness Devil and others. Point being, this "iron clad" rule that she can control anyone regardless of strength has never been proven, let alone put to the test. It's an assumption based ont he wording. Let's not overestimate it. 2. Makima's control isn't absolute as Angel broke free from by having strong emotions. Point being, you don't even need adaption to break our of her mind control, so I wouldn't call it the trump card you believe it to be. In addition, if it were under the influence, it would actually advance the wheel's adaption significantly. 3. Adaption works faster based on exposure/contact. I'm not particularly making a case for this but potentially if Maharoga makes a series of contact with Makima, the adaption would actually progress faster. The contract with the Prime minister could potentially be broken early on because Makima isn't one to dodge, infamously so. 4. While Makima does have some Devil's contracts and abilities at her disposal, I'd like to highlight the need of their proximity or the individual who has a contract with said devil. For example, she doesn't have control over the Curse devil but rather the person who's contracted with said devil; she can only influence the devil indirectly and only to the extent of the person's contract. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen it stated she has control over the future devil. Perhaps those who have a contract with them, but as I said prior, this would only give her indirect use of the abilities so she could not see into the future. 5. The combination of contracts have been her most notable feats of strength but that requires them to be present and also be a viable target. Makima used a combination of contracts while a notable distance away from the Gun devil and not directly in range, so I don't think she'd be able to use the combination before they perish. The manga even gave a time frame for how long it takes to activate. When disposing of The Gun Devil, it was additionally stationary. Again, I could be wrong, but context matters in regards to application. 5. Her "Bang" ability is strong, but not unpredictable and certainly not strong enough to one-shot Mahoraga. I note this because the only individuals disposed by a single shot were notably weaker than she was. Mahoraga has endured being in Malevolent Shrine. I won't undermine Bang's ability, but the difference between it and the Shrine's variety of damage, the sheer volume of attacks, and multidirectional application, I'd argue it a more significant feat over enduring an attack from Bang. It seems like a gross overestimation to say Bang would be the the nail in the coffin. It could Pressure Mahoraga, but not enough to overwhelm them. Keep in Mind, Makima needed multiple hybrids just to be able to land a hit on Hero of Hell and that wasn't as oppressive as the shrine. 6. The flattening ability may not be viable. We've only ever seen the ability used on humans and they were able to sense it coming no less, in a world where the 6th sense is not present. I mention this because she's never used it on stronger opponents, even one's she had the name of. I wouldn't argue it as a major tool in the pocket, I'd say it would be better to suggest it's likely not viable on certain opponents. Not a succinct opposition, I know, but it's an ability with so little screen time and expalantion. Id rather argue it a weaker tool than a powerful one based on presented use. Putting that aside, it still takes time to set up; she'd have to know it's name prior to use and complete the ritual. In the given scenario, she's given her key information, so that's already a handicap. All in all, I would agree that Makima could certainly contest Mahorga with the volume of options she has but I don't think she has a strong win condition. Without foreknowledge and a plan, her biggest advantages in fights IMO, I'd argue she'd get overwhelmed. In the face of any strong opponent, Makima has made a plan prior to engaging them; she often uses pawns to ware down her opponent. While the hybrids are strong tools in her arsenal, their methods would become redundant and would likely fair the same as they did against HOH. I think her strongest attacks require a setup for it to be effective, even the spear only landed because she used Kobeni as a lure. This was in conjunction with a campaign, making CSM a hero in order to weaken them. Without the ability to manipulate their morals, the time to setup plan, and foreknowledge, I think she loses.
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
Reading to address some points here.. 1. Makimas control depends on her perspective, so it can be argued quite a bit, but my own take is this; The darkness devil starts as strong or stronger then Makima, while a just summoned Mahoraga does not. Mahoraga would need to adapt to Makimas attacks to be able to deal with him, making him “inferior” to the Darkness devil in the eyes of Makima due to the fact that from her perspective, a primal fear is more so her equal. And to say this is from perspective entirely, not only was she unable to control the prime minister (because he had a higher position then hers in the goverment, thus superior in her perspective) she was also unable to control chainsawman even after beating him twice because of her perspective of a perfect, uncontrollable chainsawman. 2. Makimas control can be broken my extreme emotions, but in the manga it only really happened once, on a person that suffered enough grief and anger after being forced to kill his entire adoptive family, friends and the love of his life. I personally don’t believe Mahoraga would be able to break free with its emotions, simply because it would not have the same range and intensity to that of Angels or Denjis. In terms of adapting to the control, is really a cointoss to be completely honest. A tamed Mahoraga doesn’t adapt to the control of the weirder, after all, so there must be a caveat in the wheel that doesn’t adapt to non-malicious control at least, but that’s more so a theory. 3. As you said, exposure makes the process of adaption faster, but Mahoraga would still need to adapt to not only Makimas regeneration but also her contract with the prime minister, two barriers one harder to break then the former, to even begin giving her damage. I would personally say Mahoraga wouldn’t really be able to break the contract with the prime minister, but more so making an attack that constantly damages Makima against her regeneration killing millions and millions of people by the hour by them bleeding/burning or any DOT cause to death that a devil isn’t immune to. 4. Control can control devils, that much is shown with her final fight seeing her control the zombie devil without effort. It’s more so accurate to say she is communicating with high ranking devils that aren’t primal fears with some of her contracts, such as Punishment, and commanding them from there since people with contracts can communicate with their respective devil to an extent, which Makima is then able to use (Again, Makimas control is based on perspective rather than just pure metric of strength. So she could probably see controlling a contracted the same as controlling the devil, since that devil was low enough to make a contract with a human in the first place where he isn’t the complete sole benefit like Makimas usual contracts) 5. Combination contracts are definitely one of her most surprising feats, but the time and effort it took to kill the gun Devil was mainly because of the gun devils size. Similar to curses, Devils of such magnitude need to be completely decimated in order to be killed, such as we see with Gun, Hell, or the Chainsaw Devil (though this last one was weakened twice, and the first one was a 5th of itself). Keep in mind aswell that Makima combined mu,tiple contracts across multiple people, so it shouldn’t be a stretch of an imagination when having a comparably smaller target to activate the ability faster as they don’t have to go for a size overkill, instead using something like the 1000 years light spear in combination with other contracts. 6. Mahoraga at the point of entering Malevolent shrine was cut to pieces multiple times and needed to adapt to the slash, which he did up to the point of being within Sukunas domain. Makimas Bang attack, in turn, would damage Mahoraga severely until he managed to adapt to it. Makima doesn’t even need to use Bang constantly, it could be a starter or finisher, taking advantage of Mahoraga having to recover to order her fiends/hybrids to do an a,l out attack to kill him outright. 7. The flattening, also known as orbital assault, is kind of a play or reference to knowing a “demons true name” in order to banish it. It’s arguable whether or not it would work on Mahoraga, but no matter the speed of he is within range the technique would function (so even knowing that it’s happening wouldn’t really help unless he attacked Makima or escaped the range. Seeing Mahoragas personality he would certainly pick the former, since he never went to escape Sukunas domain for example even when he was chargin ad different attack). This much like the control one is very arguable and is left to interpretation really, I personally don’t think it would kill but would damage Mahoraga. Finally in terms of win condition, it’s mainly the sheer variety of options and attacks she has at her disposal, that and overwhelming attacks like combination of contracts, bang, and the 1000 year light weapons, this last one could even be stronger considering the amount of lives Angel consumed because of Makimas orders.
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
Also, after reading back on the manga, Makima can communicate with any being she has control of regardless of distance. This is seen from the many animals she has control over to an extreme example, that being when she Communicated with Princi (the spider fiend) while being on earth and Princi in hell. So Makima would really only need to control the contracted, work her way up to find and beat the Devil that made the contract, and then control them from there, even being able to communicate with her contracted on separate realities like hell.
@texjones1993ify8 ай бұрын
@@newguy8288 1. But now you're speculating how the ability works based on perspective when the series never elaborated. It's part of the reason I don't particularly like arguments on her abilities because it's a lot of extrapolation based on very little text. I make my arguments based on text and presented use, so I don't agree she can control anyone from the jump until shown/stated otherwise. You're also making a speculative argument about Mahoraga being "weak" because they have to adapt; I find that to be a very subjective stance. She didn't approach Reeze until after the fight and was weakened; you could call that playing with her food, but it does present a pattern of behavior where she doesn't control from the jump. I'd argue her perspective on those weaker than her varies. Once more, are we arguing a scenario where Makima knows all Mahoraga's abilities and how they work so she can subjectively assume Mahoraga is weak? That seems like a bias argument, granted it's a hypothetical fight so it's all bias I suppose. Either way, the dictation of how she controls is a very vague and we haven't seen it used in enough scenarios to argue it's potential. I think you're overestimating her ability while notably downplaying Mahoraga. 2. I mentioned emotions breaking her control to note that it isn't absolute, not that it would be the method; I agree that Mahoraga likely wouldn't break it this way. However, calling it a coin-toss is a bit of misnomer. What we know is that the ritual summoning them and completing it is the entire act of gaining control, it's baked into the the creature along with the other skigami under the 10 shadow cursed technique. That is why it doesn't adapt to that control in particular, not because being controlled by other phenomena is outside its adaption. I'd argue not to make that leap in logic unless there's a cited quote or manga panel that could suggest that. I'm not against exploring the mechanics, I just argue it's better to provide supplemental data rather than make an assumption without a caveat. 3. I'm not arguing that the adaption to her contract is what would do her in but rather noting it's a possibility. I also don't think they're large feats to overcome tbh. For example, Mahoraga adapted to Sukuna: shifting from positive to cursed energy, seeing the Dismantle attacks, and that was over short period in their fight; Mahoraga also adapted to Infinity over the course of Gojo and Sukuna's fight, though indirectly. My point being, it doesn't need to know what the ability is, it just has to interact with it. We know that a single interaction begins the adaption and that repeated exposure speeds it up. I don't think it would take long due to her letting herself be hit. 3.5. Makima's regeneration prior to the contract isn't notably potent in the CSM universe, hence the contract, and the contract itself doesn't provide immediate regeneration. We've only seen her do so when a person is directly chained to her. Once more, if she has an ongoing wound, that can keep her disabled, case in point Power's blood surging through Makima after the chainsaw wound. Within the Manga, most of her deaths are from quick, mundane attacks, so I wouldn't argue a slash would keep her down. However when pressed by supernatural or ongoing abilities, she's had more difficulty and Mahoraga has the ability to adapt them, within reason. There's also a lot of room for exploitation within her contract. For example, an act of love doesn't count as an attack, suggesting room for speculation that non-malicious acts could kill her. Again, that's speculation, but the manga lays out how Denji worked around it. Point being, the individual's perspective on their act can be a loophole. 4. I didn't mean to suggest that she couldn't control devils, as she controls 4 within a unit. I should have clarified after mentioning the curse devil; I had meant that she doesn't control the curse devil, she just has access to the person with the contract. I highlight the contract because it has stipulations as to what the person can command the devil to do, case in point, using the corpse of the individual contracted with the Hell devil to offer all of themself in order to teleport everyone away from the Darkness devil. She didn't have control over the devil, nor did she communicate to it directly. That's why I don't agree with your assessment that she communicates to devils via their contract. I'd argue based off of presented use in the manga that she can just use the person to manipulate the contract to the the extent of its stipulations. That aside, yes, she can communicate over distances with those under her thrall, hence spider devil brining her in to hell. 5. You didn't provide citation or a presented example to argue that size was the reason for the combined contracts. I'd say it's a leap to suggest that. I'd say it's better to argue that she used the combination because of it's strength and, more notably, because she could predict it's actions. She's had a surplus of time to study the gun devil and is familiar with behavior and abelites. Additionally, the Gun devil didn't do enough to stop her setup. One thing I can note about some of her more "absolute" abilities is that they require a ritual and time to set them up. I suggest she didn't use those abilities against other opponents because they didn't provide her room to accomplish them. 6. You're overestimating Bang. It's not that I undermine it's potential strength but rather it's ability to be oppressive on stronger opponents. It's nowhere near as oppressive as the shrine and it's odd to suggest that he couldn't adapt to Bang. The only time she shot someone consecutively was when they were in the air unable to maneuver. That's an ideal setup where as Shrine is oppressive from every angle without assistance. You're also asserting Bang is stronger than a Cleave or dismantle, based off of what? There have only been 3 feats of Bang I would note: killing Power, harming the Darkness Devil, and sending HoH into the atmosphere. Of the 3, I'd argue the 3rd is the highest example of strength due to the propelled distance, but beyond gravity, there was no resistance. The Darkness Devil is vague as durability isn't a given of primordial fears, for example the Falling Devil was marred by a sniper bullet. On the other hand, their regeneration and range of influence has been consistent; same example, the Falling devil made note that the wound was moot and instantly regained their form. Bang seems to have supernatural qualities that makes it effective against devils. Back to the point, I don't see Bang being a stronger ability than Dismantle/Cleave, let alone Shrine. 7. I agree with this point. I don't see it killing but certainly a real possibility of harming. We'd need to see it used on a larger variety of targets. I do agree that Makima has a large variety of abilities/individuals at her disposal but I don't think said variety has the required strength. I'd say her most notable feats in regards to destructive power include the Spear, combing contracts, and Bag. None of these compare to shrine or the fire arrow used by Sukuna in my opponion. I do think the combining of contracts could have varying potential but i look to her fight against HoH as an example of her potential. When faced against an opponent she's had foreknowledge of, ample time to weaken, and gathered tools to contend against, she didn't pull out anything overwhelmingly oppressive. For notably weaker opponents, her tactics were more than sufficient and I'm sure there's conversation comparing HoH to Mahoraga, but good endurance, regeneration, and efficient speed/attacks were able to best her. (side note, i don't want a convo comparing HoH to Mahorago. That's gonna be longer and I don't wanna do that) She only pulled a win over HoH when she used Kobeni as a lure. I'd argue Mahoraga would likely contend similarly and doesn't have the same morality to exploit in conjunction with a wider variety of abilities. Without pre-planning and a deluge of info, which even in the JJK series is kept shut, I don't see her pulling a win.
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
@@texjones1993ify 1. It’s stated multiple times in the series that the control ability is based on Makimas or more so the control devils perspective on the person they’re using it on. An example is in part two, with Nayuta - a reincarnation of Makima, much younger an inexperienced, was able to take control of Asa/Yoru with not much effort turning them into a dog. Even though Asa/Yoru would be able to easily overpower her, from the perspective of Nayuta Asa was but a lowly thief and controlled her as such.
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
@@texjones1993ify 2. To be honest this is more so a depends, because from a perspective being controlled by Makima might not be seen as an attack as long as it isn’t harmful to Mahoraga, that was the basis of the theory. Of course, if Makima told Mahoraga to kill itself with control it would definitely adapt to it
@This-didnt-make-us-friends8 ай бұрын
If mahoraga can adapt to literally the concept of infinity and find a way to bypass it, he can bypass some mind control
@bobbyuser123 күн бұрын
heres the thing, mahoraga can adapt to any phenonium which is everything and anything. It also keeps its adaption later on, like if his fully adapted to fire he wont need to adapt again however, if gege didn't weaken mahoraga needing at least 4 wheel spins to adapt than i recon it would have a fighting chance. Idk if it would win tho due to makima getting enough time to throw her hand signs to pancake it, cause the other devils are being distractions.
@ballincat435Ай бұрын
Nah Mahoraga would adapt to death, and be immortal
@Mattsobers28 күн бұрын
And at this momet mahoraga said his famous words. "nah id adapt"
@manee24127 ай бұрын
makima no diffs
@TheOvervoid20997 ай бұрын
Easily
@christinawood5736Ай бұрын
Didn’t she die to a chainsaw, made outta blood? I doubt even Haruta could die to her
@chakishaalstork51854 ай бұрын
I mean, it is not stated that mahoraga can adapt to something if it is affected by mind control or in this case makima chains
@onebitedino17653 ай бұрын
Does Gege need to hold your hand the whole manga? Do you not understand “adapt to any phenomena”?
@Hachun-08 ай бұрын
My opinion Maho wins extreme difficulty since we're putting chainsaw man logic into jjk logic that means makima is a cursed spirit so one hit no matter how big or where the cut is it will one shot her and mahoraga will adapt to all phenomenons and since Makima's contract is a phenomenon it will adapt to it and it take around two rotations to adapt to it so he will need to hit her like 5 times to adapt to the contract but on the first rotation the contract will still be nullified so it would hurt makima more than usual and mahoraga wouldn't be seen lesser than makima and mahoraga's speed, strength and combat speed would all be equal and Maho would be able to dodge most of Makima's attacks and makima wouldn't just immediately use all of her strongest devils ( or cursed spirits) and since devils are cursed spirits Maho would be able to one shot them.
@ThelordHayden348 ай бұрын
Personally, I don’t think devils should equal cursed spirits. Cursed spirits are made of cursed energy, giving them a weakness to it. Devils aren’t made of energy, they’re made of fleshy stuff. As seen when makima gets hit and brain matter flys out.
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
She got hybrids that can help. They would be classed as something similar to Choso and shouldn't be one shot.
@NameUserOf8 ай бұрын
@@jackaboynaylor9273 You think Choso would be a threat to Mahoraga?
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@NameUserOfClassic JJK reading comprehension.
@trapking20098 ай бұрын
No the fk you mean cursed spirit she doesnt even need cursed energy fam and also mahoraga cant adapt without cursed energy unless he proves it which he hasn't so he gets tamed
@elsotanodedex3723Ай бұрын
maho could adapt to the control but the controlled devils are going to put an end to him
@taodivinity15568 ай бұрын
The part about Mahoraga is that to control him you need to tame him, to tame him you need to defeat him. So Makima's ability is kind of useless. Otherwise Mahoraga would adapt to the taming too, but he doesn't. Why not treat both characters with the respect they deserve?
@taodivinity15568 ай бұрын
Btw I'm a Makima simp.
@frostscythe9108 ай бұрын
@@taodivinity1556he can’t adapt to the taming because he’d be being controlled. All makima would have to do is tell him not to adapt to it
@ThelordHayden348 ай бұрын
That’s specific to ten shadows . The summoner needs to defeat to control it , I don’t think it’s a general rule as that just gives blanket mind control immunity.
@TheDevAnt8 ай бұрын
@@frostscythe910it’s more that Mahoraga is bound by the rules of the submission by the exorcism. If the he can’t adapt/control the rule governing him (adaptation to any and all phenomena) then surely makima can’t either. Unless there’s precedent for makima doing so somewhere
@Omnimon1348 ай бұрын
@@frostscythe910 But the thing is, to tame Mahoraga, again you must defeat him, going just 'you're mine now' doesn't work, aka her chain mind thing, think of it as it'll adapt to accomodate the ability, and wont be affected afrer it again adapts.
@theh0llowest127 күн бұрын
Honestly doesn't it also affect if we're talking about Manga Mahoraga or Anime Version? I think in the Manga it took only either 1-3 wheel turns to completely adapt to Sukuna's Slashes
@bastigaming97858 ай бұрын
Would be curious about Mahoraga vs the Chainsaw Devil/Hero of Hell
@Jogoat-sf4xm8 ай бұрын
Mahoraga would one shot
@doflamingoisinnocent8 ай бұрын
Pochita blitzes his head off instantly, if he doesn't Mahoraga adapts and wins
@josephvaccariello41818 ай бұрын
Full power chainsawman likely destroys him physically might win but if he doesnt he can just eat him to erase him after wrapping him up with chains
@muza38138 ай бұрын
Mahoraga adept to technique not strenght
@CJ-qv4sd8 ай бұрын
@@josephvaccariello4181 mahoraga has higher AP than pochita so he’s stronger
@ProToGoOfficial4 ай бұрын
Nah, I'd adapt. - Mahoraga
@enenra64178 ай бұрын
Honestly if Mahoraga can adapt to Gojo's infinity and unlimited void im positive he can adapt to anything Makima can throw at him
@Replied_ByMeatr1der58 ай бұрын
Idk bro, Makima is like Kenjaku, a special grade with hundreds of different hax, I think it's fair so assume that Makima would somehow serve as a pseudo geto
@inumakisenpai8 ай бұрын
He would be dead by then
@ahmedtheone39768 ай бұрын
That's two abilites Makima has like as one guy said if you want an example a Kenjakus amount of abilities her arsenal is way to vast for Maho to adapt in time before dieing to something
@FTL_SAN8 ай бұрын
@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5gojo slams kenjaku and so would mahoraga
@bullettime11168 ай бұрын
@@ahmedtheone3976exactly all these arguments literally boil down to her only using 2 different attacks, when she has like 30+
@senorwhiss7246Ай бұрын
7:39 no way, the gas tank demon
@zarc11458 ай бұрын
This video is super biased it makes it sound like mahoraga is a normal human with the adaptability ability 95% of the devils makima controls wouldn't be able to put any real damage to mahoraga and would be one shot meanwhile the remaining don't posses enough power to one shot mahoraga not to even mention by the time makima realises what mahoragas ability is or how dangerous he is mahoraga would already be mostly adapted to her
@Alphaj0r8 ай бұрын
Nah, one is mach 6 the other is below mach 3, he is right anyways, mahoraga took multiple slashes from sukuna(Most of them incapacitated him) before fulling adapting, makima just needs to oneshot him and that's all
@zarc11458 ай бұрын
@@Alphaj0r there is no universe where makima is faster than mahoraga especially when she gets hit by gunshots
@Alphaj0r8 ай бұрын
@@zarc1145Because she is immortal?(she never got tagged by bullets, she either was off guard or she didnt care enough to dodge it, after al, she has 120 million lives lol) and funny thing but toge uses sound as his attacks(343 m/s) which is slower than many bullets, yet he can tag disaster curses, same thing with sukuna Same sukuna who got hard pressed at 75% of his power by yuji(who got blitzed by a naoya at subsonic speeds) and maki(who couldnt kept up in travel speed with a naoya at not full speed) Hakari also got blitzed many times by kashimo lightning, making the time he "dodge" one, useless in a debate, and lets not forget that sukuna couldnt see yuji coming from behind him in the recent chapters lol, lets not forget that no characters scales to their CT, like how sukuna's fire arrow vaporized shibuya yet sukuna himself said jogo's meteor would harm him.
@zarc11458 ай бұрын
@@Alphaj0r she also got hit by human denji? Like sure she was caught off guard but in no reality does does someone that's mach 6 gets hit by a chainsaw attack from man whos barely stronger than athletes
@chiaki.hayakawa188 ай бұрын
@@zarc1145why should Makima dodge things, when she's immortal and can't die to attack, that have killing intention. Anyways, Makima have plenty of speed feats, when she's slightly serious to fight. Speed blitz Quanxi and was standing at same place, where she were talking slightly infront of Kishibe and Yoshida. Quanxi reacted to bullet at close range in recent chapter of CSM MANGA. Blitz Kishibe, who reacted to bullet, when he was talking to Quanxi. Quanxi made a Mach 200+ feat in international assassin arc. Reacted to Gun Devil MACH 1458+ bullets in Gun Devil Arc. Her bang blitz Hero of Hell Chainsaw Man 4 times, and Hero of Hell Chainsaw Man is faster than Gun Devil, who blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second. *Hawaii size* North to South 2536 km East to West 2293 km Blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second Timeframe: 0.4 second Speed = 2536 km / 0.4 second = 6340000 m/s or *Sub relativistic* *Mach 18,472* Speed = 2293 km / 0.4 second = 5732500 m/s or *Sub relativistic* *Mach 16,702*
@crushersbutlessedgynow8 ай бұрын
Megumi: with this treasure i summon- Makima: Ko, swallow Mahoraga speedrun
@AIOXYZ8 ай бұрын
Mahoraga: Nah id adapt
@TheOvervoid20997 ай бұрын
Nah, I'd Control
@ThatGuy-c5g8 ай бұрын
Someone told me that Makima's ability to control people below her was actually a translation mistake and it was just if someone saw themself below her.
@AA-hb7os8 ай бұрын
That would change a lot. You got a source?
@ThatGuy-c5g8 ай бұрын
No, I'm a dumb idiot stupid.
@Mikah-i5q8 ай бұрын
The one you mentioned is the mistranslation. The one before is the correct one.
@ThatGuy-c5g8 ай бұрын
Huh?
@inumakisenpai8 ай бұрын
Mistranslation
@Krane53283 ай бұрын
Mahoraga can adapt pretty fast the anime just sacrifices that fact for a cool fight
@abdullahalhanif35518 ай бұрын
Bro if devils are curses than wouldn’t Mahoraga just oneshot Makima? Ik it will be boring but….
@bullettime11168 ай бұрын
They aren't, unless you use verse equalization
@joevillarreal1758 ай бұрын
Nah they are completely different. Curses are legit made of cursed energy, and devils are immortal beings that are the manifestation of human fears. In other words, cursed techniques dont work on devils the way they would work on curses.
@GarycooperEli2 ай бұрын
@@joevillarreal175Doesn’t that count as negative cursed energy emitted by the humans that create devils in the first place? Doesn’t that mean Mahoraga would still oneshot?
@joevillarreal1752 ай бұрын
@@GarycooperEli I didnt say nothing about the fight, just stating the differences. And no, everything about them is vastly different. Fear isnt energy, its just a concept that somehow pops physical beings into existence. Never has a CSM character used fear energy to damage another character.
@GarycooperEli2 ай бұрын
@@joevillarreal175 I dunno it’s kinda similar to cursed spirits being created from negative cursed energy.
@ThelordHayden343 ай бұрын
I mean makima would probably see what maho could do then launch the attack she did on the gun devil on maho.
@LjCast-b6q3 ай бұрын
Exactly she’d probably create a complex multifunction attack using dozens of different devils powers
@MalevolentGrind8 ай бұрын
Mommy Makima
@RevenganCIrOn8 ай бұрын
mommy mahoraga 🤑🤑🤑
@voracities8 ай бұрын
@@RevenganCIrOnmommy agito* 😍
@velgard.8 ай бұрын
@@RevenganCIrOnmahoraga can technically adapt to be the best looking woman if he wanted to
@Mental_Abortion8 ай бұрын
@BluWazhereCOEMS 🤑🤑🤑
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@velgard.He already is 🥵
@taitasutomoushimasu8 ай бұрын
Nah, I'd adapt.
@Telarius8 ай бұрын
1 thing is Mahoraga might be immune auto to Makima's control. Because Mahoraga is part of the 10 shadows. Youd have to take control of the 10 shadows user. Not Mahoraga.
@Replied_ByMeatr1der58 ай бұрын
Nice argument because it's like when Geto couldn't control the Hidden Inventory curse when fighting to Toji because of a Master-sevant relationship
@zacharyt.26947 ай бұрын
Makima managed to control one of Santa Clause's dolls which all share a hivemind so I don't think being part of the 10 Shadows will be an issue.
@Wenternav334 ай бұрын
Mahoraga survived getting destroyd to the atoms
@NXTToji8 ай бұрын
if we are actualy equalizing the verses then mahoraga one shots makima with his sword since its powerd by positive energy which deals extreme demage to curses/devils. and beyond that you said mahoraga vs makima not mahoraga agains all of makimas dogs since than you need to give mahoraga the ten shadows since he is their general and commender so yeah do some reserch
@muza38138 ай бұрын
What is bro talking about Makima has a contract with prime minister of japan, making all of japan citizen makima weapon Do your own research brah
@antagonisticalex4018 ай бұрын
@@muza3813Since the sword is an instant kill one hit would easily take infinite lives. What does 200 mil do to infinity? Nothing as far as I know. It would burn through the lives of every contracted person in japan in a single instant easily Now what do they say again? Oh right. Please do your own research bro.
@ranmoses25538 ай бұрын
@@antagonisticalex401 makima contract affects ONE citizen at a time so even if the sword can kill her a infinite amount of times it won't matter. But that is only if makima is in her devil form and not a fiend (with how fiends are described and the fact that nayuta and yoru look the way they are...it seem unlikely that she is in her devil form)
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
Makima's slaves are part of her arsenal bruh. It's like saying 'You said Choso vs Megumi! Not Choso vs all of Megumi's dogs!'
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@antagonisticalex401Non sequitur. An instant kill can just take one life.
@strzala37957 ай бұрын
if we go by the "she can control anyone she views as inferior to her" she could literally beat the strongest anime characters like Goku because they'd just fall under her control before the fight even begun, also using her contract is kind of cheating, as if we were to make it fair, they're in an arena without any boosts from their verses, if we remove her prep abilities she has no chance. Also, though im not gonna add it to the fair fight if we just dont take away their prep abilities, Mahoraga can literally cut through infinity in TWO different ways, even withher contract, Mahoraga could just cut the space around her completly ignoring her contract. As to her taking control of Mahoraga before the fight begun, she needs to be sure that she is superior, she is 100% sure she can beat the characters she controlled in csm but she was not able to control Pochita as she wasnt sure if she can win, same thing should go for Mahoraga, she would not know what Mahoraga is therefore she woulnd't be sure if she can beat it.
@Neo-9258 ай бұрын
Kinda hate how there were no calcs in this entire vid and it only went through abilities which makes this video not really answer anything cause if we dont know how strong, fast etc they are then then it just doesn't mean anything
@chiaki.hayakawa188 ай бұрын
Makima - reacted to Gun Devil 20% *MACH 1458+* bullets in Gun Devil Arc. Faster than Gun Devil that blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second. *Hawaii size* North to South 2536 km East to West 2293 km Blitz Hawaii country in 0.4 second Timeframe: 0.4 second Speed = 2536 km / 0.4 second = 6340000 m/s or *Sub relativistic* *Mach 18,472* Speed = 2293 km / 0.4 second = 5732500 m/s or *Sub relativistic* *Mach 16,702* Is relative to Falling Devil, who reverse Earth gravitational force. Which is Planetary lvl. Mahoraga - Relative to Meguna & Gojo, who are *MACH 3+* Curse Naoya Mach 3 feat. 15 F Sukuna>Awakening Maki (Speed) Weaker than Meguna durability wise, who tanked Hollow Purple, which destroy couple buildings in Shinjuku city. Which the feat is Town lvl at best.
@Alphaj0r8 ай бұрын
The JJK manga explains it very well imo..mach 3
@redkingosiris38008 ай бұрын
@@Alphaj0rstop down grading the verse the Arthur himself even made a statement about that saying he messed up the top tiers are FTL
@Neo-9258 ай бұрын
@@Alphaj0r not only are there multiple feats that contradict the mach 3 jjk statement but even the author when asked after the naoya fight "You went from infinite to mach are you okay?" Responded with i agree with you so no jjk doesn't cap out at mach 3 for a more accurate scaling, people on the same level as hakari (which include mahoraga) should through the kashimo feat be around mach 4760 while some of the mid tiers like nanami should be in the mach 130ish range with reacting to mahito in the school and low tiers scale to the mach 47 range with the maki grabbing the bullet feat while Gojo and Sukuna are in the 1.1 to 5 times the speed of light through dodging PBA (additionally the Naoya feat could simply talk about movement speed not reaction speed)
@Neo-9258 ай бұрын
@@redkingosiris3800 Only really Sukuna and Gojo but yeah basically
@Block_Buster...2 ай бұрын
Mahoraga just gotta adapt to make his adaption faster.
@chosenundead74898 ай бұрын
There a lot of unknowns in Mahoragas favor as well do control power seven work if the exorcism ritual hasn't be complete as its a condition to taming the shinigami. Rather then the wheel being viewed as a sperate entity it could be viewed as a passive effect that a feature of the shinigami a part of this biology Which in that case would adapt whether or not Makima wanted it to. ( This is likely as its been shown that the Owner of Mahoraga cant control its adaptation. ) For the case above all phenomena encompasses passive effects that might Not be exactly just hostile effects. Mahoraga in anime adapted to move more weight and to repel water.
@Deim08 ай бұрын
Mahoraga is already selfless and without thinking, all it does is act, not evaluate or think, he just goes for the kill every single time
@TojiBackWithTheMilk8 ай бұрын
Mahoraga would just adapt, he's able to endure Sukuna's domain, and Sukuna himself outscales all of CSM, so none of Makima's hax that she can use straight away in a fight and actually one shot Mahoraga. Edit: All the CSM 🍖🚲's who don't know shit about powerscaling are up my ass.
@theonlychickensama83538 ай бұрын
Sukuna would die to the gun devil though not to talk less of things like Darkness devil
@randomdude64468 ай бұрын
Sukuna does not out scale all of CSM and mahoraga could only do that because it had already partially adapted to cleave but since most of the devil's makima controls are fodder mahoraga could possibly endure
@Thesnowyman8 ай бұрын
@@theonlychickensama8353both are city level but if you believe sukuna is FTL then he would have the giant speed gap to win
@victorkaranja14208 ай бұрын
Mahoraga needed to go through a domain and several combos of sukunas abilities to adapt in the manga, he just had busted regen. Whereas the anime it's WAY worse as he went through an entire volley of hits before finally adapting.
@neoswolf8 ай бұрын
How does Sukuna outscale CSM when base Quanxi alone outscales him in speed since Curse Naoya at Mach 3 is the fastest in JJK just below Gojo's teleportation? Makima's ability to combo her contracts pretty much instant-killed the Gun Devil, who scales to the Hero of Hell. Sukuna, Gojo, and Mahoraga gets stats-checked so hard its not even funny, and we aren't even talking about Pochita, who solo-ed the Four Horsemen and the Weapons Devil at once.
@TaxEvader9998 ай бұрын
Has JoJo began to open his domain suit and a strong back in fear and said are you the one who always bets on Hikari or are you the one who stands proud because with this treasure I summon not I'd win as not I'd win began to open his domain JoJo began to shrink back in fear and Suka simply responded and proud Hikari you are the one who always bets
@JAYbePRINCE7 ай бұрын
For anyone wondering mahoraga can adapt to multiple things since in the fight between sukuna and yourozu mahoraga adapted to the perfect sphere then afterward in the fight against gojo he used cleave showing he also had adapted to sukuna's ability. Plus: gojo stated that mahoraga was adapting to rct: red, AND sukuna was using mahoraga to adapt to infinity so he can also adapt to multiple things at the same time meaning makima cant just use 30 diferent abilities because mahoraga will simply adapt to everything eventually. The only real way to defeat mahoraga is to ONE SHOT HIM and not even malevolent shrine was able to do it, even after getting basically erased from existance he just walked through the endless rain of slashes, also if mahoraga adapted to an INFINITE mass sphere how could he be unable to adapt to damage redirection. I think i made my point clear mahoraga wins (eventually).
@gameplays17926 ай бұрын
makima could straight up just command mahoraga to die bro
@JAYbePRINCE6 ай бұрын
makima has to prove to herself that she is superior to someone in order to control them hence why she didn't just make denji her slave since chapter 1 (she was just manipulating him), plus this makes sense since if this didn't exist It would make anyone delusional the most op being in the world
@JAYbePRINCE6 ай бұрын
Also if mahoraga was able to adapt to learning (infinite void) he is 100% capable of adapting to obeying orders from someone appart from the 10s user
@inumakisenpai5 ай бұрын
@josebernardoponcesilva2131 she couldn't control because of pochita.. did you read the manga
@JAYbePRINCE5 ай бұрын
@@inumakisenpai yeah sorry i had not read the chainsaw man manga until recently, even so my argument for mahoraga wining still stands.
@chandikakumara20817 ай бұрын
when are we getting sukuna vs makima?
@joaoii10828 ай бұрын
Makima could one shot it tho
@aitorchul22628 ай бұрын
Nah i adapt
@redkingosiris38008 ай бұрын
Unless she erases his whole body in 1 shot not very likely
@jackaboynaylor92738 ай бұрын
@@redkingosiris3800'Unless she one shots it she probably won't one shot it' 💀
@bullettime11168 ай бұрын
@@redkingosiris3800look up gun devil
@gloatingsumo800gameplayer37 ай бұрын
I mean I don't exactly agree because. If we assume the quote of it's ability. "the ability to adapt to any and all phenomena." "like a late throw in rock paper scissors." has any deeper meaning. Phenomenon (plural: phenomena) refers to any situation that has an effect on reality and will exist, happen and will be questioned regardless of how or when they happen. Ex: glaciers are a beautiful natural phenomenon. And I feel like you really underestimate the adaptation because it said and stated "to adapt to any and everything" so I feel like you never gave it the credit it's due. And you seem to make it out like it takes forever to adapt when he really adapted to red after 3-5 hits of it and we saw maharaga with big holes in the man like a donut and survive. So in the end it's really not really as you thought it was
@DooberLicious8 ай бұрын
There's literally no way to make that yap sesh of Mahoraga's title sound cool 💀 "AYE BRUH YOU BETTER WATCH YO STEP BEFORE I PULL OUT EIGHT-HANDLED SWORD DIVERGENT SILA DIVINE GENERAL MAHORAGA!"
@bioy26462 ай бұрын
I'm not even surprised if jjk characters lose a cross verse battle since humans and curses are pretty weak there In terms of physical abilities. Literally their techniques and domains is what carried them throughout the anime.
@DDD-ye3wh8 ай бұрын
But won't Mahoraga just adapt to all of the attack Makima throws at him? She know's nothing about Shikigami nor anything about Cursed energy. Plus didn't Mahoraga regenerate after being sliced to pieces during his battle against Sukuna?
@enenra64178 ай бұрын
Yes and he adapted to infinity
@newguy82888 ай бұрын
Mahoraga needs multiple wheel turns in order to adapt to an attack. This is an untamed Mahoraga, so it takes him longer than the tamed Mahoraga who was able to adapt to infinity and make his own attack against it. The moment Mahoraga starts taking less damage Makima would see what’s going on and order the Devil that did that damage to buy time while shenprrpares her other contracts and weapons to do a 1-shot kill
@DDD-ye3wh8 ай бұрын
@@newguy8288 but didn't an untamed Mahoraga adapt to Malevolent Shrine? The same Domain expansion that wipes the entire Shibuya off the map
@---bb8ut8 ай бұрын
@@DDD-ye3wh He hadn't completely adapted to Sukuna's domain. And he only survived it on the first place as he had somewhat adapted to slashes beforehand. If Sukuna opened the fight with his domain expansion, instead of using dismantle on Mahoraga allowing it to adapt along the fight, then it would get one shot. Also the regen from nothing is an anime only feat; was never there in the manga.
@ranmoses25538 ай бұрын
@@DDD-ye3wh mahoraga adapted to malevolet shrine because it's sure hit is just cleave and dismantle (something he adapted to before) it's even said that a normal cleave would have killed mahoraga normaly if sukuna didn't use dismantle first, that and how mahoraga adaptation get better over time even if the wheel dosn't spin allowed mahoraga to survive.