Goku Is A Bad Father... Again

[@SaiyanScholar]

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[@SkrappyIE]

I wonder if people forget he got himself killed to save Gohan. He also has the privilege of keeping his body after death. He sees death very differently compared to other people.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Because of Gohan, too lol

[@aliastheabnormal]

You can't raise a kid when you're dead.

[@rampantkitsune450]

Goku got himself killed to save everyone. Not just Gohan. He was making up for his and Gohan's mistakes.

[@IfritBoi]

@@rampantkitsune450 Everyone's mistakes. The Z fighters held off destroying Gero's lab until the day of the arrival of the androids, that was the number one mistake right there

[@DuskMindAbyss]

Goku says: "i wasnt really involved" He means he wasnt IN CHARGE of raising neither of his sons. Chichi took over that role. He loves them, he is near them whenever he can or isnt dead, but he was never the one raising them. Chichi raised them, Goku was just there.

[@IfritBoi]

Exactly, it's not like Goku lied about raising his own kids. He wanted Chichi to raise his kids right and was happy about it, even when he doesn't show it. Goku was always proud of Gohan and he absolutely loves playing with Goten

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@IfritBoihe was always proud because Gohan has gained the courage to follow what he wants even if it isn’t fighting.

[@mr-saiya-jin]

Ah, here we go again. The infernal topic that spans years (at least, I think it does). Personally, I’ve always seen Goku as a decent father-not perfect, just decent. You can tell he cares for his family and his sons and would do anything to make sure they’re safe. He may not be around most of the time, but when he can, he’ll make the most of the time he has. I’ll always respect that.

[@LucLightWolf121]

☝🏿Say it again, and louder, for the knuckleheads in the back!

[@SaiyanScholar]

It will NEVER end but we shall always be here to fight the evil whenever it spawns its hit again LMAO

[@Abakato]

He's also everyone's "decent father" since he's the entire protector of the earth and then eventually U7

[@AriesBozz]

People forget saiyan biological factors. Think about how he got sent to earth in the first place. This race doesn't have the same customs. As far as his race is concerned, he is probably the best parent the species has seen in centuries.

[@Chrisezo]

Goku reminds me of my own dad when he was still alive, sure he wasn't always around because he worked overseas in another country, but he always sent money over, and he would call home using those points cards that were sold in major retailers for long distance calling, just so that he could check up on us, and while its true that sometimes I did feel like I didn't have a dad and was confused, since growing up I saw a lot of other classmates and kids having their fathers around for birthday parties, and lots of events and stuff, sometimes I doubted that my father loved me, since I didn't see him unless he had time off for like the summer or the christmas holidays, but whenever the man was indeed around, I felt like there were no doubts and I always thought my dad was the strongest and coolest, since he did a bunch of things that I didn't see other dads do, as my dad had a very interesting life growing up so he saw a lot and did many things beyond the wildest dreams of a regular person, but because of that everyone always liked my dad, and wanted to be around him, and at some point I just accepted things, since there was no way that my family could monopolize my dad, especially since he did have children from previous marriage, and even though those half siblings were pretty much young adults or already adults, they still needed my dad in their lives, and the only regrets that I have is that my dad didn't truly get to know me, as even though we hung out and we watched movies and stuff together, I feel that he never understood me as a person, and after he passed away, I just feel disappointed that he didn't see me truly make it in life, as the couple of days before he passed away, he actually asked people to look after me, as he wasn't confident I could take care of myself being the youngest of his children, even though I was an adult in my late 20s. Thats why when I recently rewatched Z again, I felt a little good about myself when Gohan was actually allowed to hang out with his father in the world of the Kais, as those interactions reminded me of my own dad, and even the farewell talk, gave me a bit of closure as I envisioned myself being in Gohan's shoes.

[@DarkEclipse23]

I feel like people often forget Goku wasn’t allowed much bonding time with Gohan. Not as much as he wanted. All goku knew was training and fighting outside of living in the wild. Chichi knew this. Im not saying she was a terrible parent because she did have good reasons. I think as well Gohan being able to bond with his dad was a great moment because they had a shared interest. Goku just miscalculated on how much stock Gohan was willing to fully put into it. For Goku it’s a way of life. For Gohan it’s a hobby of sorts and neither are wrong. I just think Goku got the wrong idea because of how proactive Gohan was when it came to his interests.

[@mikeabney2527]

can't really be a bad dad if the dad isn't there 🤷‍♂️🤔

[@SaiyanScholar]

530,000 IQ Thinking!

[@M3rtyville]

He iZ a BeD DeD biCausE hE wasNT tHeRe!

[@ZenKrio]

@mikeabney2527 that's factually what makes a father bad. Being there is your job, that's usually all you need to do in fact. If you work at a job and never go into work, you cant justifiably say you arent a bad employee lol, thats nuts. In saying that yah, sometimes it isn't his fault, but in gokus case, it was most times, like the 7 year skip. Sure, threats come for him, but it was quite clear in the Buu Arc that without Goku there, things would have ended horribly, since Gohan wouldn't have gotten Ultimate and there'd be no use of Fusion. A combination of Goku being there and Kaioshin not being there would have made the Buu Arc never happen.

[@mikeabney2527]

@@ZenKrio 🤓☝️

[@naomino7222]

It's not that he wasn't there. Goku was vaporised and stuck in otherworld. Literally among the dead. Let's not give real deadbeats an out now😅

[@Bobboerba]

oh sh*t here we go again-goku

[@SaiyanScholar]

always lol

[@JosephLicka]

All of you guys can’t even blame TeamFourStar for this Narrative, all they did was emphasize the “bad father” meme. This joke existed far before TFS started saying it. Also, you should be blaming the fans for mixing Parody with the real story. Goku basically still just met Goten in Daima, and he’s been dead for 7 YEARS! Saying he “Wasn’t really Involved” isn’t saying that he’s a “bad father”, it’s saying that he wasn’t really involved in the actual raising process, which is true, that was mainly ChiChi

[@akwandegawe2600]

If anything blame the people that took a literal PARODY of the series seriously, like bro they're even saying DBZABRIDGED is canon.

[@DigitalLogos]

Yeah?! Well if he was such a good father why did he...die rescuing Gohan from his evil uncle... Yeah, but he was abandoned to be raised by Piccolo... while his dad was dead. Oh yeah, well, he didnt raise Goten because...he was dead. Well, uhm....

[@SaiyanScholar]

Exactly... it's all explained in the actual show. People just take memes and run marathons with them lol

[@DigitalLogos]

​@@SaiyanScholarIf anything, Goku fathermaxxes when he's able to

[@jasmine2938]

I mean to be fair he did choose to stay dead for seven years in spite of having a growing child and another on the way

[@diablo.the.cheater]

TBH HE WAS a bad father, not of his own choosing, mostly due to circumstances, but he still was a bad father even if it was due to bad luck.

[@Franklin_Araujo]

​@@diablo.the.cheater so for you he is a bad dad because of bad luck.

[@kaiotrem358]

Something i belive its good to bring up is that goku doesn't have so much chance to show how good of a father is, since there is no reason to show that when the focus of the history is all the villain and other stuff instead of father and son bonding.

[@AlternateSnake]

Goku has already shown us he's a great dad. Goten only knew him for half his life by the time super came around if not less and loved him. Goku raised gohan his WHOLE life until the cell games with the exception of saiyan and yardrat sagas but he also spent a whole year in the htc with him.

[@BeaglzRok1]

Toriyama: Goku was a disaster of a father Fans: arguing over what disaster means Toriyama: says it would be obvious that Yamcha would cheat on any girlfriend he got Fans: we've never read Dragon Ball, that sounds about right

[@saadsami8860]

Rip toryama but man toryama himself doesn't watch the show and kill his characters personality

[@PAP888]

Not too mention if a worn out cell had to fight gohan and he went ssj2 he probably would’ve just went for blowing the planet up sooner than he did later

[@Rin_Yin]

why does him trying to blow up sooner matter?

[@Khronen-r3u]

Maybe, but Cell only chose to blow up, because he was humiliated, on the defensive, and in fear. SSJ Gohan may have had a better chance fighting a weakened Cell, and they’d be more, or less equal. No ego boost for Gohan, no “ripping the wings off this butterfly”.

[@RussellDzangare]

Guys Goku did all of this :1 sacrificed his life for his son 2 gets stronger while dead just to come and bully Gohan's bully 3 saves his son from another group of ugly bully's 4 sacrificed himself because of Gohan's mistake 5 helps Gohan even while dead 6 breaks the laws of nature to come punch Bojack in the face and help Gohan AGAIN Yeah we didn't even reach buu saga yet I'll throw the last one He lets Gohan choose his dream before fighting and supports his son's in what ever they do

[@RussellDzangare]

If I ever here anymore Goku bad father comments I'm robing u

[@Mike-xh2vm]

Goku is a great father.

[@myrealnameisjared]

“piccolo is a good dad” HE THREW 4 YEAR OLD GOHAN INTO A MOUNTAIN I DONT CARE IF HE KNEW HE COULD SURVIVE, I KNOW GOHAN FELT IMMENSE PAIN

[@justa-fl6se]

Piccolo wanted hin to DOOOOOOOOODDGGEE!!!!

[@Smallboboffical]

WEAVE BOY

[@GrizzO12]

actually it looked more like a plateau

[@akwandegawe2600]

I don't know if you're joking but In The ACTUAL scene Gohan destroyed that mountain when he got thrown at it. While the scene where he was hurt by it was DBZA

[@stephenchambers7972]

I think people are forgetting that he is an alien and a warrior to the core and his race prioritizes fighting over anything else so goku is not to blame for whatever short comings he has as a father, as a matter of fact he's even a better father than 90% of his whole race who doesn't even care to see their kid if they weren't born strong.

[@AlternateSnake]

Right but what shortcomings? He was VERY present in gohans life aside from 2 fucking years one which he made up for I the htc. The other he was DEAD.

[@stephenchambers7972]

@AlternateSnake whatever people been saying about him that he's a bad father and what they say is invalid.

[@jfleocadio4397]

It was supposed to be a joke, there are no way people really think I guy who die twice for his son to be a "bad dad"

[@SaiyanScholar]

They... do.

[@Babylauncher3000]

@@jfleocadio4397 it mostly revolves around his decision to heal Cell and his decision to stay dead. One unnecessarily put his son in greater danger that he needed to be. The other deprives his son of a Father for half his childhood while not making Earth safer at all. Babadi was gonna try and revive Buu regardless of Goku being dead or not.

[@DarkEclipse23]

@@Babylauncher3000it’s even bold to assume the senzu bean did much if any at all 😂 what. To recover the 5% used on Goku? 😂

[@deaddok999]

@@DarkEclipse23 And like people acting like Goku eating the bean and (in the case of Goku fighting Cell) would even do anything, like people acting like Cell wouldn't just beat the shit out of Goku, take the beans and kill everyone.

[@Babylauncher3000]

@@DarkEclipse23 While Cell can regenerate damage almost endlessly he does burn through Ki doing it. Him recovering from Goku's instant transmission Kamehameha blowing him in half did way more than 5% my guy.

[@rampantkitsune450]

Being uninvolved almost perfectly describes Goku's role as a parent, he wasn't alive for most of Goten's childhood and at least half of Gohan's. Is Goku a bad dad? No. But is he a good dad? Eh. Goku is an okay dad. He loves his family. But he couldn't understand Gohan, until mid Cell fight, it's good he believed in him but is that really enough. He spent time with Gohan but it doesn't seem like he actually got to know him, Piccolo understood him in a fraction of the time Goku actually spent with him. He kinda makes up for it by cleaning up Gohan's mess but it was something he would have likely needed to do even if it wasn't for Gohan, because he was the only one with Instant Transmission. And in the Buu saga and Super, he clearly supports Gohan's life choice, even if he still didn't really understand it, so that moment from the Cell saga made him a better dad. He couldn't be a good or bad dad for Goten until the Buu saga, because he chose to stay dead, though it's possible he might not have known about Goten. But even if he found out about Goten, he didn't change his mind about staying dead, until a tournament. In Super, Goten at least gets to spend time with Goku, even if it's only brief periods of time because Goku seems to value training with King Kai and then Whis and Vegeta more.

[@Niall_Sene]

@@rampantkitsune450 you misunderstand why Piccolo understood that Gohan wasn't a fighter like his father, and it's because in the fight with Nappa he got himself killed trying to save Gohan. Piccolo made the same mistake Goku did, but it was arguably worse, as Goku always saw Gohan in a fight after he returned from Other World. Piccolo on the other hand forced Gohan to fight against his will. Goku never forced his son to fight, he assumed he was on board with it because Gohan had never shown him otherwise, until the fight with Cell. Furthermore, Goku wouldn't have had to "clean up the mess" if Gohan had finished off Cell when he was beating him down, but Gohan was carried away by wanting to make Cell suffer in an act of revenge. Too much of the blame falls on Goku for this.

[@rampantkitsune450]

Gohan took after Goku in tormenting a weaker opponent while first in an evolved state. That's probably just a result of Saiyan biology though rather than a Goku and Gohan thing, though Gohan does experience it in non-Saiyan forms too. So I don't feel like it's right to blame Gohan when I feel like it may have happened to Goku too. SSJ transformations unlocked in battle seem to make someone prone to losing themselves while those in training seem to be relatively safe. The God, Blue, and Instinct forms are all calm mind transformations so Goku hasn't had to risk that again, honestly Ultimate should have been a calm transformation but it apparently drew out his anger/darkness along with Gohan's potential.

[@Niall_Sene]

@@rampantkitsune450 I don't blame Gohan for reacting the way he did, it was inline with his Saiyan nature and he's also still a child after all. But I feel like putting the blame on Goku for not knowing how Gohan would behave in such a situation is wrong, there was a level of miscommunication between father and son, and Goku paid the price anyway, he took the bullet for Gohan, by taking Cell away from earth, and he told Gohan it wasn't his fault. He died to protect his son, who always had the power to defeat Cell, that no one else realised, not even Gohan himself, but Goku knew he could do it, he believed in him, and yet he still gets called a bad father. (Btw this isn't directed towards you or anything, I'm just clearing up my previous comment if that makes sense.)

[@uchiegang894]

They should be happy they got Sayian dna ! That’s a blessing all its own in my opinion!

[@SaiyanScholar]

SUPA SAIYAJIIIIIIIIIIN

[@YoMamaBih]

Honestly though.. I wouldn't be surprised if this was Toriyama's idea. He did say that he liked adding a bit of poison to Goku's character.

[@AlternateSnake]

Yeah it's literally what he's been doing since super I don't know what Toriyamas problem was in cheapening everyone's characters after z

[@VicMeep]

He did say in some interviews that Goku was a disaster of a father 😭 i think it was partially a joke, considering Goku couldn't do much to raise Gohan while he was literally deceased

[@Ninjaz1432]

Goku bringing a whole new meaning to the phrase *deadbeat*

[@Rickylau-g1y]

DO YOU THINK GOKU IS AN EVIL DAD FROM DRAGON BALL!?!?!? HUH!?!?!?!?!?

[@Rickylau-g1y]

DO YOU THINK GOKU IS AN EVIL DAD FROM DRAGON BALL!?!?!?

[@SwastikBiswas-b3r]

I swear one day Goku will arrive at these people's home to knock and say " Hey it's me Goku , I'll show you who is a good father you Little shit"

[@Nathaniel-w5n]

I dont think Goku is a great dad, but you didnt mention his best moment. In Bojack, when he defies God and the rules of death to warp in and save his son. Best father moment by far.

[@AlternateSnake]

why do you not think he's a great dad

[@Nathaniel-w5n]

@AlternateSnake The purposeful absence is the biggest one. Choosing to stay on Yardrat, and otherworld when his family wants to be with him seems a little selfish seeing as how he didn't even ask their opinion. Piccolo even spends more time training with Gohan and Pan throughout the entire series than Goku does. But leave it to Goku to squeeze a year of time with Gohan into one day(they actually left early so was it really quality time?), then get right back to fighting and being dead. Even his heart was going to kill him shortly after his returning from Namek. Fate(Toriyama) does not want Goku to be a present dad lol. DBS and Daima Goku plus Toriyama's own statement should be enough to put this to rest.

[@sammy6805]

@@AlternateSnakelet’s not forget in super where Goku completely forgot he had a child named gohan. Regardless of all of Goku good deeds he is not a good father. I feel like people are confusing good father and good person. Would you want Goku as your dad? Never cares for your interests doesn’t care to name you causes he’s hungry. Forgets you exists. Forces you to fight. Goku sacrificing him self makes him a hero but that doesn’t make up for like 25 years of neglect towards gohan. And apart from the occasional bath scene I legit don’t think he has done a single thing with goten. We can even make a in universe comparison with vegeta hanging out with trunks and his wife. Has Goku ever even done anything with chi chi? Goku is an all around bad father and husband. Being a protecter isint enough maybe my standards are too high but my dad actually interacted with me and my mom. Didn’t ignore our interests. Didn’t forget we existed. Didn’t constantly put us in danger. I think the only time we have EVER seen Goku hang out with gohan was in the days before the cell game cause he wasn’t sure if they would survive. The movies do a better job portraying Goku as a decent father at least in those he takes gohan out camping and for fun and stuff

[@Rickylau-g1y]

you're bad man!!!!

[@LoonyLemming]

Imagine having a dad who not only is responsible for you, but the entirety of the universe? Your dad could never.

[@TheJedux]

bad example he is responsible for the tournament of power

[@SonicKirbo]

Goku is one of the best fathers for the circumstances he has.

[@BlankestKnight]

I think what he meant was he wasn’t really disciplining Gohan or parenting in that sense. Sure, he was around, but his primary focus is always on training. Chi Chi was likely the one doing most, if not all of the parenting and homeschooling. Goku has mininal to no interest in those things. He has zero interests outside of getting stronger and fighting stronger guys.

[@MrEffectfilms]

I'm really starting to hate the Abridged Series for spawning this stupid idea.

[@DigitalLogos]

Welcome to the club

[@SaiyanScholar]

What did Obi-Wan say? Who's the bigger fool... the one or the one who followed lol

[@LucLightWolf121]

TeamFourStar has done irreparable damage to the franchise, as far as I'm concerned. And sadly, we're stuck with this nonsense. We can't put that genie back in the lamp. The fact remains that Dragon Ball Z Abridged was meant to be parody. However, and consequently, with a very cynical, extremely sarcastic, and heavily "medicated" society, the parody was taken as gospel instead of the original source material.

[@darkron288]

They didn't spawn it Goku being a bad dad was a thing since the cell saga. And let's be real the hate for tfs is just beyond petty and forced

[@mdbsonic5772]

@@SaiyanScholarit’s “the fool or the fool who follows him.”

[@ChiChiLand299]

That idea that Piccolo makes Goku believe he made a mistake is literally probably the most misunderstood moment in all of Dragon Ball because that wasn't Goku realizing he made a mistake that was Piccolo making Goku think he made a mistake because throughout the whole conversation Piccolo is saying stuff that isn't true about Gohan. Piccolo thinks that go on is choking that he's afraid that he doesn't have what it takes to beat cell. Like Goku knows Gohan doesn't like to fight that's why he said don't you want to become a great scholar and not a fighter like me. Goku understands Gohan perfectly the problem is he doesn't have any other choice, Gohan shows that he knows what Goku's plan is Gohan shows but he's not afraid he's not scared it's just he doesn't want to kill cell. Which the fact is is that Goku never really pressed really hard on that because he knew that if he tried to really press on how important it was for Gohan to do this he was afraid that Gohan would get nervous but she knew was Gohan's biggest enemy. This is why he gave him the bean because that was meant to be a show of confidence that this was in the bag Gohan you don't have to worry just fight and then Gohan would get frustrated when things weren't going his way and then he get mad and kill cell. If Piccolo actually knew that was the problem he would have been on Goku side because he would just call out Gohan too for being naive. Everybody wants to blame Goku for this but the fact is this is Gohan's fault, what's annoying is how Gohan's written so out of character there just for tension because the last previous sagas he had no issue with trying to kill people he even did kill people had no issue with it. But this idea that oh Piccolo knows Gohan better than Goku that is just the result of people focusing on that one page and forgetting every other page before it because if you actually pay attention Goku's already aware of all that. The only thing he could have been doing different was saying okay Gohan you really really really really really really really really really really really really really really got to murder this guy. Which we all know that wasn't going to change Gohan's opinion he was still going to stubbornly try to talk cell down because that's what good guys do in Dragon Ball when they have the advantage they don't just mercilessly kill people. So there was literally nothing Goku could have done different and so he didn't make a mistakeespecially since it still would have turned out the same even without 16 the instant one of the cell Juniors killed somebody or killed Goku Gohan still would have gotten mad and still would have killed cell

[@wiiownsps3and360]

As a father I find it odd that people without children will fight on the internet on which character is or isn’t a good parent. One the show itself doesn’t focus on the day to day family lives of these characters. We only get moments and no matter what every parent has both good and bad moments and are not overall indicative of your quality as a parent. Two fictional characters in general don’t make great parents overall as a lot of what we as viewers/readers love about them would directly interfere with their parenting. Like let’s be realistic about this. How can Goku or Vegeta effectively be a father when they are never home? And as far as piccolo goes, I’m sorry but leaving a child to start with the forest for six months and then take the preceding six months to beat the shit out of him Every day is not being a good parent either. Y’all are cracked.

[@LucLightWolf121]

I was expecting this particular video.

[@SaiyanScholar]

The video comes in response to a need not a desire

[@LucLightWolf121]

@SaiyanScholar I know, man. That's why I don't judge it. You are as frustrated as I am about this subject.

[@65firered]

I suppose he could have said, "it's complicated."

[@deltase7en717]

Even though it isnt canon but speaks to Goku's character regardless because its something that Goku would do, its in the Bojack movie, the guy goes against the rules of the after life to save Gohan directly and give him one last push to fold Bojack, and Gohan really sees Goku in high regard with the whole speech of, im my father's son and all, the guy is proud to be Goku's father, people saying this unironically or have forgot DBZ entirely or replace in their head Goku from Z to Goku from TFS

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

Tbh. I think he’s an okay father. Not a good one, not a bad one, but an okay one.

[@AlternateSnake]

why do you think he's not a good father

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

@ I think a good father would have went to see his family and friends after the events on planet Namek. But does obviously care about Gohan and Goten so I can’t call him a bad father.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@AlternateSnake Not bothering to check in or even see how his family is doing after the cell games is kinda lame as he didn't know he had another kid and seeing how gotten reacted he really wanted a dad

[@Rickylau-g1y]

@@AlternateSnake he is an evil father!?!?!?!

[@SoulsOfWisdom]

Being a child who had a horrible father. A child defending and admiring their father is not really a good argument. I became an adult before I truly understood/accepted at just how much of a terrible person he is/was. That said, I still think Goku is an okay dad, and Gohan still seems to admire his father somewhat now that he's fully grown as an adult. Though what's clear in their relationship today is that Goku simply isn't that emotionally invested or even capable, and Gohan (and even Chi-Chi) seems to just understand it. Chi-Chi tried really hard to change Goku in DBS, but Goku literally just ran out on her to sneak off to Beerus' world and she was literally like "Well, that's just Goku". Goku does have great qualities as a father that are admirable, but overall, he's just an okay dad IMO and is simply not even capable of being better than he is. Dude hit his head when he was young, people need to give him a break. lol

[@imgon714]

0:45 bro I thought she meant “how were u raised as a kid” type shi. and he said “ i wasn’t really involved” which to me made sense to me. because he kinda wasn’t.

[@glitchy_gamer6417]

Goku was a great dad to not only his sons but to the entire planet

[@Rickylau-g1y]

do you think goku is evil!?!?!?!!?

[@baka1fred642]

piccolo is not gohan's dad, he his step brother

[@AlternateSnake]

big green uncle

[@princejamerson1]

I’ll be honest, I was glad to never followed dragon ball Z abridged because I had no interest in it and I was pissed at DBZ abridged for causing unnecessary damage about Goku’s fatherhood and look what happen that nonsense cause most people to falsely believe that Goku is a bad father which he is not, he’s a great dad and I will defend Goku until I die in old age

[@DutchDread]

"Goku was dead" in the words of dbza bulma "well thats not stopping you now is it?"

[@Citizen_Nappa23]

I have always viewed Goku as Mid. Not a good father, but not a bad father either. He makes both good and poor decisions as a father, but you can clearly tell by Gohuns reaction when he sees him. He's very happy to see him. Other things i can't give justifications for his actions. For example he abondoned his family to train Uub even Gohun was upset at him. (Which makes sense he can literally fly from one side of the planet in seconds, so there is no excuse nor to spend time with his family in that time period. Also allowing Gohun to fight in the first place in the Cell games. (I understand the plot and why he felt the need to involve him) But as a father i cannot justify this decision. I know i won't allow my son to be thrown in such acsituation. IF Goku had trained with Vegeta instead i feel both would be strong enough to take down Cell. They are a oerfect Yin/Yang so they training styles would work perfectly for maximum gains. There are instances where he makes decisions that are good on the context as the Hero but poor as a father. There are others but those are two big ones. Note im not calling Goku a bad father, but he definitely makes poor decisions from time to time. In my opinion he's more Mid.

[@UltimateDragon-ne5ui]

Honestly? He isn't a bad father, but he isn't great either. I would put him somewhere from a decent father to a good one (admittedly a lot closer to good than decent). - Whenever they are at a peaceful time (and he is alive), he tends to spend a lot of time with his family and truly cherish them. Huge plus. Nobody can fault that. - The events on the saiyan and Namek sagas were just unfortunate circumstances. I don't see how he could be better than he was there. - Not coming back after Namek when he could is probably the first bad choice I would give him. Yes, he had reasons. Yes, Gohan wasn't without support. Yes, things were harsh on him for a good while by them. I still can't just ignore it or pretend it was okay because it was better for saving the earth in the end (not like Goku actually knew that would be the case). The reason is simple: This was the first time since Raditz came around when Goku could properly support and be there for his son, meaning all the trauma and tragedy from the saiyan and Namek didn't even get a chance to be addressed properly and Gohan could definitely benefit from having his father around after that. Overall, not a huge misstep or anything, more of a honest mistake. Still a bad choice though. - Again, from the moment he comes back to Earth to about the beginning of the Cell games, I can't really fault anything in Goku's parenting. If anything, he did as well as he could, considering his circumstances. - The senzu beam to Cell. Time to talk about it. I will be honest, this is the biggest misstep Goku does and the main (although not only) reason why I can't call him a great dad. Yes, he was believing in Gohan. Yes, he knew Gohan could win. Yes, he wanted Gohan to fulfill his potential. He still failed to understand his child (a mistake that a lot of parents do, but a mistake nonetheless) and put him in a life or death situation based on that (just because Gohan technically could awaken enough power to easily deal with Cell doesn't mean it was anything less than a life or death situation since, at any point before Gohan snaps, Cell could literally just go "Well, I am tired of this. Killing you instantly!" and off Gohan in a short time). What is interesting about this one though is that the show and Goku himself acknowledge this (thank you Piccolo, you are a great second dad/uncle). The look on his face once he realizes make it clear how much it horrifies him that, for a lack of properly understanding his son, he threw him into such a dangerous situation. - The sacrifice against Cell was a sad necessity (although I still think that he could just leave Cell there and teleport back really quickly, but that is a problem with the scene played out, not with his parenting or even Goku in general). Can't fault him here. If anything, it is a huge plus to show his character and how much he cares. I also feel sorry for Gohan here since this just adds to his pool of trauma. It is a genuine miracle Gohan didn't have straight PTSD by the time the Buu saga comes about. - Deciding not come back after Cell is defeated. I also think that was a misstep (as far as parenting goes). I understand that he thinks he is making things safer that way and all, but I can't pretend that his bad logic is a good justification (even though I somehow get where he is coming from) so I can't just excuse it. Honestly, this might be more of a "Goku didn't think things through quite enough" problem than a parenting problem if I am being honest. However, it does result on Gohan spending most of his teenage years without a father, so I have to include it here. - He was dead for Goten. Can't fault him here. If anything, it is impressive how fast and well he was able to enter the kid's life after he came back, which is a plus. You can see that I actually have quite a few good things to say about his parenting, with only three missteps (that are serious enough to mention). Even then, 2 of these are largely understandable, even if they are still mistakes, and the other one is the only actually really bad one, but he immediately corrects once he realizes it and was open minded enough to recognize his mistake fairly fast. That is honestly a lot better than I can say for most in real life parents. For reference, let me put it in a scale from 0 to 10: - 0 = Some of the most horrendous parenting out there. - From 0 to 5 = Bad parenting. - Around 5 = Average parenting. - Around 7 = Decent parenting. - Around 8, but mostly equal or above 8.5 = Good parenting. - Around 9, but mostly equal or above 9.5 = Great parenting. - 10 = Really great parenting (no such thing as a perfect parent). On this scale, I would normally give Goku around a 8.2. At worst a 7.4 (if I am feeling extra harsh). At best a 9 (if I am feeling lenient). Again, that is actually pretty good. Definitely not a bad father. Just not a perfect one.

[@pyrogundam117]

Closest to him being a bad father was declining the wish back to Earth after defeating Frieza and the senzu bean for Cell, otherwise he tried and is a better father than Vegeta and most saiyans since they usually were never in their kids lives, or at least before the new Bardock special. TFS hasn’t helped this situation out 😅

[@AlternateSnake]

except it wasn't really a bad wish. Goku knew Frieza or another threat could be back (which is exactly what happened) so he decided to learn ssj at will and a new technique. Without them he would have died. Forget android saga the story would end with frieza destroying earth.

[@Rickylau-g1y]

do you think goku is evil!?!?!? do you think freeza is a good guy!?!?!?!?! huh!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@zaikkoz]

If present Goku isn't a bad father, then future Goku definitely is. Why did he let future Gohan suffer like that? He didn't help him, not even via telepathy, the namekians in New Namek (that would have loved helping them with their dragon balls) or just talking to him and telling him how to train the ssj. He just abandoned him.

[@DarkEclipse23]

The circumstances of their deaths was different. Goku died from a heart virus and unlike that goku he wasn’t in contact with king kai. In the current timeline he was literally right able to. How tf is he going to speak telepathically without being with someone who can commune between dimensions/realities?

[@anim_ex]

​@@DarkEclipse23fr i I am certain this guy didn't watch dbz

[@Abahluer]

Dying of natural causes meant he didn't keep his body. The only reason Goku and Vegeta kept their bodies in the afterlife is because they sacrificed themselves, and as a prise they were given their bodies. This is NOT the case for the future timeline.

[@muhamadariefrahmanhakim9166]

I mean he's dead even if he wanted to be more involves, he can't

[@lightdarksoul2097]

He is an awful grandfather though as Pan is crying and still so young then Goku just leaves with some strange kid for years

[@anim_ex]

​​@@lightdarksoul2097was it stated that goku didn't come ONCE to visit while training uub?

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@anim_ex yes

[@anim_ex]

@@lightdarksoul2097 where? I'm genuinely curious.

[@RelatableBlackGuy]

1:30 when bro said BROTHER I sat back with my popcorn

[@insanemakaioshin]

Let us do some maths: he was dead for a year after Raditz and 7 years after Cell. He was absent during Gohan's trip to Namek. He was absent after Namek's destruction for 2 years. That's 10 years & 1 month out of 16.

[@lightyoshiman]

Is he a horrible father? No but is he a great father? No he's just a good dad at best and a meh at worst

[@aliastheabnormal]

Still better than most Japanese fathers. At least he had an excuse of being dead for eight years of his firstborn's life.

[@UltimateDragon-ne5ui]

Agreed.

[@AlternateSnake]

Considering his circumstances he is a fucking wonderful father. Not considering them he's still a fantastic dad. In total he only spend two years without gohan. Saiyan Saga and Yardrat saga. He spend a whole year in the htc with Gohan. And raised him in all of the other timeskips until the cell games. At this point he didn't have a choice. He literally didn't. The moment he meets goten he embraces him and don't forget from the buu saga timeskip to end of z Goku raises goten too. Goten also had Gohan to raise him alongside his mother so it's not like goku deserted his family. There were plenty of people Goku left for Goten. You have to understand at that point in his life he had no choice. The android saga only happened because gero hated goku.

[@aliastheabnormal]

@@AlternateSnake Far more than my father ever did. At least Goku's around.

[@Abakato]

@@AlternateSnake having/being a decent father: Goku The opposite: Gero and his androids

[@koammudo43]

Daima acknowledged the jokke taking it seriously was stupid af 😡💀

[@lightdarksoul2097]

They were right he wasn't involved he didn't know Goten existed till he was seven that isn't great but excuse he was dead not a bad one.

[@GroovyDude00]

"How much have you ever lost on a game of cornhole?" - Son Goku

[@Niall_Sene]

Whenever someone tells me that Goku is a bad father, I'll just point them to this video instead of arguing with them, you bring up all the evidence and I think everyone should see this video.

[@ChiChiLand299]

The problem is though is that they're not specific about goten or Gohan and the fact is that even if he has been dead half of Gohan's life that doesn't mean he's not involved because he was there for the other half 🙄 even now he's been home for like a year helping chichi with Goten so that still involved.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Exactly! But it's not fun to tell the truth, it's easier to run with lies and memes lol

[@lightdarksoul2097]

But I think he's saying he isn't involved fully in who the two chose to be. Goten had Chichi and was raised to enjoy some good fighting she put that in him while Gohan was raised to enjoy school which was again Chichi's influence. Gohan did learn to fight but that was more Piccolo as he needed to be ready for the saiyans and goku wasn't there. Goku was a protector all on Namek and bonded with his son on the same page through androids and cell then was dead again and Vegeta had to be the one to say Gohan had grown so much weaker since they last met

[@marcanthonyclaivil6527]

Goku has never had a father figure, he doesnt have someone to model himself after

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Gohan

[@marcanthonyclaivil6527]

@lightdarksoul2097 gohan was a grandfather, and more of a master, yes he expressed love, he only taught him how to fight and survive, hense his survival a year after his death

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@marcanthonyclaivil6527 I think they say grandfather because his age but he was the one that raised Goku and taught him how to be a good person like a parent would. Like one of the first things we learn is Gohan told Goku to treat girls with respect if he met one

[@marcanthonyclaivil6527]

@lightdarksoul2097 but he was only in a third of his life, he never taught him how to be a father, roshi didnt, ox king didnt, he had no blueprint, hes doing the best he could, thats why he sacrifices himself at the end of the cell saga, hes genuinly apoligetic for forcing gohan, he expected him to be like himself but he wasnt

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@marcanthonyclaivil6527 I mean why wouldn't the Ox King help him be a good dad the dude was there with them and Chi Chi did likely teach him stuff like how to hold to a baby and not kill it Goku had people there to help him he wasn't just doing things randomly that's how you kill a kid

[@RaraPremium]

Bro was there for gohans first 5 years. Literally hunting for food 😭

[@toz.trendy]

I mean he died protecting him twice thats valid

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Yes he also failed to save them when buu exposed earth in fact he saved Mister Satan over them

[@DarthMeh117]

@@toz.trendy maybe he could try living for his son for once.

[@toz.trendy]

@DarthMeh117 that would be in super

[@TheSenzuB]

I don’t understand the WWF clips but I enjoy them

[@emmang2010]

he's been dead but could have been alive if he doesn't ask to be dead so he can train. Like what?

[@HellStar24]

Love how bro pulling stone cold clips 😂😂

[@SisyphusSRB]

What about Goku leaving his family to go train Uub? Instead of inviting him to his home like Goku and Krillin went to Roshi's. Instead, Goku was like "cya" and left.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Yeah not great but his kids were grown so really that's just being a bad grandfather

[@ohitsblockbusterguy7466]

I get the jokes throughout the years but its wild that people take it seriously. It always blows my mind that people tend to forget that Goku literally left everything after the 23rd tournament to start a family with Chi Chi and live carefree life and only saw his friends 4 years later after Gohan was born.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Yes... but by the time Gohan was 16 Goku had missed around ten of those years by being dead or training somewhere

[@colepastoriuspastorius4112]

I just saying in the cell he just died in sacrifice, but there’s a easy bring back with the dragon balls

[@DarkEclipse23]

Wasn’t goku in the middle of spirit control when the dragon was trying to bring him back?

[@DonMoody4]

I think you established your point in the first WHAT??? 2 minutes 😂😂😂😂 people need to listen to the scholar man

[@juggalo_kronikturdzgaming7075]

Goku isn't a bad father, he's an absent father and if you look into the psychology of a child with absent parents, gohans attitude towards his father makes more sense.

[@AlternateSnake]

Gohan loves his dad wdym. And Goku was only absent for 2 years total in his life before the cell games

[@juggalo_kronikturdzgaming7075]

@AlternateSnake no one is saying that gohan doesn't live his dad, he more or less idolized goku through his childhood but children always tend to idolize the absent parent.

[@ZenKrio]

Anyone that uses his son to fight their fight (cell) is a bad father. Goku also prioritized saving Dende and Mr Satan over his kids when Kid Buu blew up earth. He's factually terrible as a father.. Edit: a lot of reaching in the vid.. I do understand the effort you need to put in and I respect that. But Goku should have dealt with cell himself, gone in for another year with Vegeta or Piccolo and figured out how to stack Kaioken with ssj, or found ssj2.

[@maxschreck9988]

@@ZenKrio TBF, saving Dende was saving the Dragon Balls, and Mr. Satan was an attempt at nonviolence or deescalation with regards to Buu.

[@ZenKrio]

@maxschreck9988 I understand, but goku wasn't thinking about that at the time, the dragonballs were still destroyed by Buu anyways and they still had to use Nameks Dragonballs, Dende also wasnt needed for the wish as Porunga didnt understand Dende anyways. So Goku actually neglected his kids over Mr Satan and Dende for no real reason saved for them being conscious at the time. Plans working out long term doesn't justify child abuse or neglect. That would be like taking out a life insurance policy on your first kid and letting them die so you could have a better life for the other, still evil. Gohan being the strongest of the four ssjs at the time doesn't justify sending him in to fight cell when he's NINE, and Goku being ignorant of his sons feelings at the time only justifies him being a terrible father, he refused to even talk to his own kid about his feelings, I would talk to my exs kids when we were together every night to better know and understand them, and those weren't even my children lol. Goku couldn't talk to Gohan about how he felt when he was locked in a room with him for 10 months.. get fd Goku.

[@Mike-xh2vm]

Gohan was the only one who could beat Cell, if they had done what you said, Gohan would have died along with the Earth because Goku should have lost alone.

[@ZenKrio]

@Mike-xh2vm seems odd that people ignore the extra year of training and putting effort into the Kaioken stacking or ssj2. Don't really care for replying to people that refuse to read..

[@Mike-xh2vm]

@@ZenKrio Kaioken stacking was imposible at the time, another year of training was not going to work... Goku himself explained that it was torture going Again, Vegeta and Trunks went another time and they were still weaker than Goku. Don't really care replying to people who refuse to read the Dragon Ball manga, go back a second time to read it and this understand what you read.

[@ORREGOLAC]

I love how the fandom always accepts retcons and new information about the lore of the franchise only when it's convenient for their beliefs about the characters and Universe of this extremely inconsistent and overrated manga.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Easy content either way lol

[@SeanMacadelic]

Ehhh overrated is a little much don’t you think. It’s one of the most influential mangas in history for a reason.

[@ORREGOLAC]

@SeanMacadelic Influence and popularity does not equal quality.

[@streptococo4735]

@@SeanMacadelic popular doesn't mean good. In an objective sense Dragon Ball ia narratively horrible. Toriyama being the reason, the dude literally doesn't care about anything but whatever IS on the moment.

[@Vespyr_]

He was always a bad father, I don't get the cope with this audience. It's literally canon that Goku was an absent father most of Gohan's life. Is he a good person? Yes. Does he love his kid? Yes, sure maybe? As much as he could love anyone really. But he's still a Saiyan male, and let's be honest they aren't the loving type. Kakarot included. I thought Toriyama made that EXTREMELY CLEAR, and it's literally his parting wish that you all grasp this. I don't understand the struggle here.

[@Rickylau-g1y]

do you think goku is evil!?!?!?!

[@roberthornyak5875]

Goku chose to remain dead to train instead of coming back. That is like going out for cigarettes and choosing not to come back. They also tried to wish him home sooner and he said no. Just because he knows Gohan is "in good hands" does not make up for not having his father. Then he knew he was going to get the heart disease and he could have gotten magical healing, wished with the dragon balls, or taken his medicine sooner. Gohan really is attached to his father because his mother is so harsh on him so obviously he is going to favor time with his father. Chi-Chi being a harsh mother does not make Goku a good father. Goku's faith in Gohan was also in part him wanting someone else to be able to defend the earth once he is gone. Otherwise Goku is obsessed with fighting strong fighters and there was no way he would have conceded. Of note, Goku sacrificed King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory so it wasn't all noble. He spends time with his family only when training when clearly his children don't have the same drive as him. Gohan genuinely has academic interests and Goten cares more about having fun.

[@alexanderthegreat4782]

You make a good argument

[@Thatboycapping]

Defend the Goku Dad Agenda Scholar 🗣️‼️‼️✊🏿

[@23Raind]

Absent fathers aren't good fathers, dead or not. Beyond that, Goku always had the option to come back from the dead, he just decided that his guess about what might make the world more safe should take priority over raising his kids. He's not an abusive, unloving father, but he is absent, doesn't provide well, and plays no clear role in the discipline of the kids either. Effectively all responsibility falls on chi-chi. He even lies about being a good grandfather just to get her off his back. He's not a family man, simple as that.

[@23Raind]

She said "raise a kid" not "raise goten". Why say "I wasn't really involved" if it's just goten? Goku can use "I was dead" as an okay excuse, but it doesn't change that be clearly doesn't prioritize his role as husband and father.

[@anim_ex]

So... If you were dead and you had the choice to live but at the cost the everything and everyone (including your kids) you love might get destroyed or you could stay dead and let them live happy lives which would you take?

[@DanteDevilTrigger653]

Even as critiziced his DBS self is (both Manga/ Anime), Goku still has a good relationship with Gohan and Goten (most of the time he is on earth that is).

[@M3rtyville]

Toriyama statements are sometimes... eh... Like Yamcha being an evil cheater while we alw.ays see Bulma cheating or attempting to cheat on Yamcha and even married the dude responsible for Yamcha's dead

[@Mrgar-ij9wx]

I think he means, he wasn’t involved in Gotens life. I mean, he was dead so that makes sense.

[@colepastoriuspastorius4112]

Do you know Gohan was trying to wish his father back to life and he says no Gohan I will go train with King Kai he just abandoned his children. That’s a bad father.

[@kaidenjohnson2624]

Dude goku believed that he's like a magnet that attracts bad guys raditz vegeta freeza came to earth because of him gero creating cell and the android for revenge was because of him he didn't abandon gohan he chose to stay dead for earth safety

[@colepastoriuspastorius4112]

I just saying in the cell he just died in sacrifice, but there’s a easy bring back with the dragon balls

[@surpriseman]

DRAGON BALL FANS NEVER BEATING THE ALLEGATIONS WOOHOO

[@mothermia]

He didn't want to be brought back because he realized that he's the reason Earth is always under attack. Cell, the Androids, Buu, Raditz, Vegeta. Goku was the reason all of them had attacked the planet. And after Cell was killed, Goku finally realized he was, to an extent, the reason that Earth is always in peril. The ONE day he came back to Earth, Babidi, Dabura, and Buu come to Earth.

[@colepastoriuspastorius4112]

@ maybe I’m sorry about how I spelled let me explain Goku always show up. There was A big fret, but that’s not excuse. He could be wish with the dragon balls bring them back to life be honest he miss his born child

[@vladline1882]

I am getting tired of defending Goku too. It seems the writers are doubling down. I bet someone will make "King Cold is a better father than Goku" next.

[@colepastoriuspastorius4112]

Pickle is a true Dad lol

[@Chamillitary44]

Can't be a bad father if you dead as hell

[@yuunoaboi21]

I want a what if scenario of goku receiving the senzu bean and fighting cell again

[@amyyaku5022]

Goku was the best father that he could be and that's all that matters 😊 Also its weird how people would use that dialogue from Daima as "proof" he's a bad father when there are plenty of people who raise kids and are horrendous parents.

[@UniverseStrongestWarrior]

Did he ever stop being one?

[@AndreDBFights]

Yes

[@kingjojo801]

Idont think he’s a bad dad in any way . He’s literally the protector of the earth n his family. Hes also a saiyan, n not to mention he’s not really that old technically. You cant age if your dead , so he was young asl making these decisions.

[@tellmeninetails5819]

Goku is a good man and has good intentions, but the path to hell is paved with good intentions, his absence was a choice he made at least once could have gone home after namek but didn't. And giving cell a sensu bean was inexcusable, even if he tried to fix it afterwards.

[@rikajougasaki3296]

Well, King Yenma never did assign him to hell. He went the other path so I think he's done good.

[@AlternateSnake]

Ragebait? Are you slow? He was brutally injured and pressed random buttons on an alien spaceship. And after he mastered instant transmission he went right home. He had no choice. And the senzu was literally him trying to get gohan to realize cell has to die. SSJ2 was a power he already saw gohan use and he knew it was the only way (which it was)

[@ironline6830]

Make this video as many times as necessary

[@studio96films65]

I wonder if Team Four Star started this trend because they overused that joke in the DBZA parody.

[@kiratorasei6227]

Goku’s not a bad dad in the slightest. He’s Okay. He a little confused but he’s got the spirit. He loves and would absolutely die for his Wife and children. And he even chose to stay dead until the Buu saga because he realized that he was a villain magnet. Call me a fanboy but I just think he’s doing his best and the Saiyan Instinct to fight gets in the way.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

Worst part about this trope is that people are Finns be beefing with TFS again. Show runners, please stop making Goku Ging from HxH.

[@MDPTheReal]

These, “Goku was a bad dad” folk are just as bad as the, “Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan” folk.

[@Darkwing4L]

I haven’t watched the video but I’m assuming the video is referring to the Diama quote. When you think about it it’s true Goku was with gohan for 5 years died, came back got crushed, gohan leaves to namek, Goku comes to fight, after the namek situation he dies in the cell saga and is gone for 7 years, but ofc he beats the bad father allegations in super since he has time to spend time wit his kids and grand kids. He’s not a bad father

[@KusanagiKazuki]

You people and your revisionist history.... toriyama said it you can hate it but you CAN'T rewrite it SAYAJIN don't do parenting DEAL WITH IT ~

[@avanofili]

i ain't gonna lie, i can't count how many times toriyama has retconned his manga. Do y'all remember the if beerus is 10 then Goku ssj god is 7 and whis is 15 era, if we were to take that into resurrection f using that logic vegeta and goku were already on par if not stronger than beerus in resurrection f and we all know that wasn't true.although even though he retcons his manga from time to time, he is still a legendary writer and mangaka.

[@AfroTsu]

Do one on vegeta ?

[@poly_g6068]

TFS ruined Broly for so many people too

[@JoyconsRUnDriftable-dx9vv]

Is this still an argument? Guys, Goku has sacrificed his life twice for his son, stayed dead to protect his family because threats come due to his existence(the Android arc was a result of Goku’s existence), spent as much time as he could with Gohan when the Earth isn’t in danger from aliens and cyborgs or being dead, and supports Gohan. If that’s a bad father, then I guess Vegeta in the Android arc is a good father, right?

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I think its more while he supports and loves Gohan he was still absent for many goof reasons for like ten years out of sixteen that's a pretty bad number. Vegeta was actively a bad father till he was revived and Bra happened

[@aliastheabnormal]

If anything Chi Chi is the bad parent. She had basically mooched off her dad all of her life. Lives vicariously thru Gohan. And saw her future daughter in law as a meal ticket. Because she mooched of her father so much that he went bankrupt.

[@BlankestKnight]

Actually I think he went bankrupt because his kingdom wouldn't stop burning down

[@aliastheabnormal]

@@BlankestKnight Didn't Goku destroy his kingdom?

[@BlankestKnight]

@aliastheabnormal No, that was master Roshi who did that. If I remember correctly, his land was cursed by some wizard who plagued it with a fire spirit or something. Causing it to constantly catch fire. That's why nobody lives on Fire Mountain. These constant fires keep destroying his castle and treasure. Which is why once we get to Super he's pretty much broke and Goku has to become a farmer since he can't mooch off Ox King anymore.

[@rampantkitsune450]

Chi-Chi isn't a bad mom, she's a stressed mom. She basically has to raise 2 kids on her own, at least for 8 years, depending on how involved Goku was a lot more. The way Goku eats she probably has to spend the whole day, or most of it, cooking when he's alive and home. And who knows how normal Gohan and Goten's eating habits are. Goku spends most of his time alive training, until Super where he at least is shown to be a decent farmer. At least for Gohan, she wanted to make sure he had a good future and clearly being a scholar was genuinely what he wanted, little obvious care about that for Goten but he's not nearly as serious as Gohan. Plus they live in the middle of nowhere, I think it's supposed to be close to Satan City but Gohan had to ride Nimbus there so clearly not super close, and she can't fly.

[@aliastheabnormal]

@@rampantkitsune450 I believe it's a hour to Satan city if you're flying. So yeah she's in the middle of nowhere.

[@Ruby-os5nw]

I lowkey blame DBZA for most of this and a lot of other problems when it comes from misinfo in the fandom

[@BigVEE]

Always was, Carrotists. Ain't no change here. But enough about fatherhood. Who. IS. *PAN*!? NOTE: Bad grandfather is the new meta. Get with the times. Enough about old, dusty and settled matters.

[@KillaSmit20789]

11:08 Edited the pushoff out huh

[@streptococo4735]

"I wasn't really involved" DBZ Goku: 4 yrs since Gohan's birth he effectively stopped training to become a full-time father, came Raditz and gave his life to protect him. He goes to Namek to help his child. In the Android saga he spends 3 yrs whit him + 1 more in the Time chamber. Goku RAISED Gohan, sure you can say he didn't raised Goten, but he was DEAD.

[@AlternateSnake]

Not to mention how he died a second time for Gohan in the cell games. Every time Goku dies it's for Gohan. And Goku is VERY enthusiastic about his sons life. When he sees videl with gohan he immediately treats her like he would treat a daughter in law.

[@OrangeStarHighSchool]

*can we stop blaming abridged? It’s supers fault and the whole franchises for selling out with BoG and everything after. No one asked for it to continue. Until we meet again meant when we died and passed on not when goku sold his soul.*

[@brianlaureus]

But even then there are lot that is always just glanced over on this topic. Goku was there for gohan most of his life the first four years of gohan life Goku was there and raised him fairly properly as a parent they went on fishing and hunting trips quite often from what the movies and anime show. Goku even took him to visit his friends. The behind of Z is Goku risking his life to save gohan. And when he comes back after training with king Kai for a year first person he saves is gohan. Back in Namke when Goku first touches down first person he saves is gohan. Then then there after namke he spends three years. Training with gohan and even in the hyperbolic time chamber he apologizes to gohan and says that he’s sorry all there time is spent training a fighting. Which is a big argument against the Goku doesn’t understand gohan stupid shit. Not only did he train gohan to be the strongest he’d ever been he prepared him for what’s to come and supported him THROUGH IT ALL. He made a mistake goku stepped in and handled the situation and still told him he was proud. Gohan having self doubt from the heavens Goku is supporting him and hiding him through the entire situation. Even non canon movies like bojack goku was so upset seeing his song strggule that he broke the laws of DEATH to save his son. Idk where these gokus a bad father arguments come from when they have no ground to stand on.

[@Hueyfreeman467]

Sorry, but im putting Akira Toriyama word above a youtubers. If he says Goku is a disaster of a father than he is a disaster of a father. Time and time again he mentions goku being a bad father, and even in daima its doubled down on. We can argue about character assassination all day, but im taking the creator of the show word above all else.

[@DarkEclipse23]

Then super saiyan is only a 10x multiplier to you then 🤷

[@Mike-xh2vm]

Sorry, but I am taking the original manga itself, which shows Goku being a good father.... Show don't tell.