Gold List Method for learning to L/T memory part one

[@iolan3]

I learn vocab this way, writing a list from my textbook and 'distilling' it as you say. It seems to work very well. Most of the vocab I learn is from a text which I have read several times, and on one particular subject which also helps as you see the links and the words in context. I also say the words aloud to make use of aural memory. I learn a list of around 60-70 words in around 20 minutes this way, but having studied the text a little beforehand.

[@Nutterbutterz95]

You're a remarkable person when it comes to transliterating linguistics to ordinary people striving to learn a new language. Thank you for devoting your time to making these videos.

[@samuraimacisthebest]

I've done many courses and you are, by far, the best teacher. Thank you so much for the time that you put in this. My only problem is time.. Nazdarovje!

[@reef6826]

I have decided goldlist is my method of choice after about 3 months of simultaneous use with Anki. Even though this method is dated it works well. My problem with anki is always when you get down to the last 5 cards, and you are repping the same cards over and over for 5 minutes until you are blue in the face, language learning should not be this painful. I would also find myself when watching native videos or listening to a podcast “I need to make a card about this” and your whole life just becomes anki. And god forbid you break that daily streak. I enjoy the relaxed pace of the goldlist method, it’s flexible and portable, there is no streaks and other fluff. Good old fashioned pen and paper is definitely the way I see myself continuing to learn languages from now on.

[@Pyhantaakka]

For a moment I thought those were wolves running outside your window in a prairie. Then I realized it was a fish tank.

[@joelfanner8454]

I thought it was wheat or some type of grass flowing in the wind at first.

[@Mark-ql2wp]

He has a secret language learning lab at the bottom of the Amazon River.

[@johannaolivares1075]

😆

[@PragueVlogg]

Thank you for your thorough response. You are doing a great service to many people by sharing your knowledge and presenting it in such a comprehensible way on KZbin. Now I am sitting here regretting all the cramming I did in college...looking forward to part 2. --PV.

[@Devon_maloy]

I found and started this today. 1 list done. I’m optimistic. James’s English is damn good, so…

[@sydneyteacherjobrightmind7838]

My Best Luck found this video introduced by another polyglot Steve Kaufmann in his video. Thank you! 💕

[@DavidJamesquoracy]

You're very welcome.

[@jarduli]

man, i wonder how much i will be remember from this video tomorrow:) my long term memory is in quite good condition thought, i can remember every place i went for an ages, also new words. but from the other side i suck in spelling;] interesting videos, im happy even more coz it is for free:) the other time i sent the link of your channel to my friends but none of them has subscribed to you. I LOVE KZbin for what you doing, cant wait the next part

[@JonathanMahoney]

To summarize this video, Gold List Method will help you learn languages more effectively. It will help you get language into your long term memory. It's free, he's not make money off it and you can't either. He doesn't actually get into the method in this part at all. Save 18 minutes of your life and skip to part 2.

[@stubs13]

I noticed this short term effect with the Cyrillic alphabet. At first I used short term methods like "Ч" look like an upside down CHair, or "B" look like a Violin split in half and it did help, but not for long. Once I sat down and memorized the sounds with the characters I can read it pretty effectively now.

[@DDeathdealer007]

I have just seen a video of you speaking Cambridge-style English, after having seen many of your russian lessons. It's really interesting how it changes the perception I have of you when I listen to the two separate accents. Do you have a Bio written somewhere for your history regarding linguistics? with a timeline, where you lived, for example? Would be an interesting read!

[@kofio7581]

What happens when you get to the gold book? Do you still need to distill or just write out the remaining words which would already be in long-term memory?

[@MantrinDharmananda]

I’m goldlisting new words from bilingual books, some have built-in dictionaries after each chapter/verse. It's clear that reading goldlist book or trying to review word lists is no-no. What about reading texts that were goldlisted earlier? It will reactivate short-term memory for sure, but it’s in nature of the text that some words reappear so fully locking memorisation to long-term memory is impossible.

[@DavyDenke]

Hi, this is really interesting. I am dying to know how such principles can be applied to different areas of study such as Finance or Business. We are often asked to cram a lot but developing a real proficiency is harder. Also, do you have any advice on using various accents (you seem to speak so many languages, it must be difficult). Thank you for the time you put in getting out this methods!

[@abcxyz123]

Thank you for all the great language tips, especially the Gold list. I'm going to make a comment that has little to do with this video. I've been watching quite a few Christopher Hitchens' videos lately, mostly debating about religion. And since I have been checking out a lot of your material and it's become obvious to me that you are very educated, very intelligent and interested in many cultures and languages all over the world, I was surprised to read that you are a 'conservative Christian'.>

[@JonathanMahoney]

I understand your concerns. I believe that we are all spiritual children of a Heavenly Father. When we were born with went through a spiritual death, in the sense that we were cut off from the presence of God, just as Adam was in the Fall. As you alluded to, Christ overcame both physical and spiritual death. Only in and through Him can we return to the Father.

[@Kaizen01395]

Hello, I have been using the gold list method for about two months and it has been going well. I have been using it to learn Russian. However, I find that even though I have learned the words and have distilled them out of my list, even when the words come to mind and the correct translations with them, I have found that I second guess myself. I often check back to my gold list to make sure the word means what I think it means (I have never been wrong about a word I distilled thus far). Is there any advice you can give about this? Thanks!

[@DavidJJames]

I wouldn't worry about that, it will come out in the wash.

[@Mik-rs3xv]

I know Spanish by learning most used verbs and tenses, so my messages and intentions were understood by locals. It worked for me to reach B2-C1 in Spanish. So by learning a new language, is it a good idea to put the most used verbs and tenses in the goldlist?

[@wowhobbs3]

Hello Viktor! I have a question for you. I was just curious as to which you think is initially more important when learning a language. Learning proper grammar and usage, or building vocabulary. I personally think learning grammar is slightly more important at first because no matter how many words you know you can't do much with them unless you know how.

[@dorianl04]

love the russian accent!

[@andrewjustice7498]

i love this advice... and information, thank you !

[@fernandocortes1187]

14:40 made on repeating the flow(golden image-list)

[@Jaffra]

Okay, that makes sense, but how would you distill them?

[@DavidJJames]

Elwink, you can find more on huliganov.tv, or in my bit in the Polyglot Project book by Claude Cartaginese, still available as a free e-book as well as being in paper form on the US Amazon. In brief I find nothing in the evidence of the world that does contradict Christianity. It is all in the inference. Evolutionism interprets the evidence a certain way and regards as corroboration things which are just as circular in logic as religion and thereby turns out to be a faith also.

[@aubs965]

Hi David!! I recently started your method and I am loving it! I was honestly curious what is your zodiac sign? 😊

[@nauruzkodzhakov9788]

Hello. Thank you for sharing this information for free. I've visited your site and I've read about the "gold list". Now, before starting it, I wanna make sure if I understood it correctly : let's imagine that I have 100 words in the head list (4 double lists if I'm not mistaken) so I wrote them making a time gap between each 25 words chunk. then within 15-30 days I open it up and start distallation. I choose out 8 well-rememberd and the rest I write in the right hand side. after that I make a gap ( think about something else ) and do the same with the next 25 and so on.. Is it the way it works?

[@DavidJJames]

Looks like you understood - the important thing is never to force the memory. Write them in a relaxed pace just enjoying being reacquainted and then turn the page for the next lot. After two weeks you find out what you didn't forget, and you write it again - maybe in a more concentrated form so that every time you get 60% to 80% (typically 70%) of the amount of lines you had the time before, and you repeat this process until there is very little left. It beats Anki and Supermemo and Memrise for cutting out wasted time in learning but those ways can cut out the need to leave 2 weeks per stage. For those in a hurry, those methods will get them there quicker but they will have put in maybe 150 hours to get the same long-term effect of 100 hours goldlisting.

[@jeremiah3754]

Hi, do you know if learning verb tenses would be applicable with this method? i.e french verbs

[@a.borovinskih]

i can't get whether his does it accent on purpose or it's natural.

[@JonathanMahoney]

That makes sense. I see why the lyrics were confusing for you. You're right, there is not much in the Bible that confirms or refutes us existing prior to this mortal life. There are a couple verses that hint at it I think, including Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." I understand this as the Lord saying he knew Jeremiah before conception.

[@levettp]

It is as if your LT memory does the opposite of what you want it to do. Here some ways to trick it: 1 - "double concentration": do something else while you learn e.g. repeat the words while you run, play tennis etc. 2 - "have an emotion": love, fear e.g. fear for driving 3 times around Moskow on the metro because you don't understand the anouncements

[@emptywords196]

Would you use this method for memorizing Chinese characters?

[@Jaffra]

Thanks for creating and spreading this cool system! I've been using it for about 2 weeks now, so it's still a bit early for me to say whether or not it's working for me, even though it certainly seems to work for me. Anyway, my question is, what would be your advice for learning grammar? I'm a not a fan of cramming or drilling (lazy bastard), so I was wondering for an alternative. Would it make sense to use the goldlist for grammar? Wouldn't it be hard to distill? Thanks in advance!

[@JonathanMahoney]

Well, I didn't write the lyrics, but, the way I understand it, the song is a parent singing to his/her child, asking him/her to remember where he/she came from. The child the earthly child of the supposed author and the "divine parents" reflects a belief that all mankind can be considered spirtual children of God. I hope that makes sense.

[@Batyaboo]

@usenetposts Hahaha! I'm getting the hang (I think) of your various personas. This method looks fascinating. I am trying to see how to combine this with my regular Russian studies. I would like to learn as much Russian as I can, as quickly as possible (I will be flying to Moscow again with a couple of months). I haven't understood the method yet. I'm watching this video now and will devour the rest of your videos. High class stuff. Thanks!

[@chrisbelluzzi1095]

Hi, I have a question regarding verbs in the infinitive vs. conjugated verbs. What is the rec. approach when entering them into a headlist? Would each form of the verb count as 1 word? Or does one only write the infinitives, and then separately memorize the subsequent verb endings for regular verbs? (I imagine it would be necessary to write all forms of each irregular verb into a headlist.) Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks!

[@DavidJJames]

Where you have perfectly regular verbs, it is not a super idea to enter every verb form for every verb in the Headlist. If you have a language where from the infinitive all the inflected forms are obvious, then you learn the basic paradigm based on one of the verbs, then you only need the infinitive after that. In Spanish, Italian, Romanian, Russian, Japanese and a number of other languages, you get sound shifts and spelling shifts inside verbs which are otherwise regular. You may wish to remind yourself of the parts which undergo that shift. I expect you will distil these quickly. Irregular verbs, where the changes are not predictable from high-level rules, need to be listed out in full in the Headlist, and distillations might have 3 lines with sing and pl side by side, or three singular forms and three plural forms on two lines, and eventually only the parts not obvious from the others will be written and you'll have the conjugation on one line. In the meantime once you know you are familiar and remember the irregular verb parts, you can off course drop them on distillation and not write them out, as with everyhing else. That's what I do and it works well for me.

[@chrisbelluzzi1095]

Thank you!

[@chrisbelluzzi1095]

(Additionally, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts in regards to someone utilizing your method to attempt to learn two similar languages, such as Spanish and Italian, simultaneously. Beneficial or detrimental?) Thanks again!

[@nescius24]

Hello Mr. James, thanks for sharing your method. I did not understand the name of the researcher you based your method. Could you write down his name?

[@DavidJJames]

Felipe Lemos Ebbinghaus

[@Trenttrumps]

Thank you: realistic, scientific and therefore very helpful.

[@DavidJJames]

Glad it was helpful!

[@raphaelkick]

Hi so u mean every 45 min of learning I give a 20 min break?

[@davidpennant5535]

Hello, Mr. James. Thank you for sharing this amazing strategy, it is absolutely brilliant. I have a question please. Is it necessary to know all of the grammar of the language you are learning, or can you start while still learning it all? For instance, I am learning Russian. I know the Accusative Case, Prepositional Case, Genative, etc. But I do not know the remaining ones or other bits of grammar. So is it safe to start a gold list in the middle of it, or start it only after I have a significant understanding of the language?

[@DavidJJames]

You can also use goldlist for grammar rules and standard example sentences. Goldlist is best after doing some audio only at the start like a Michel Thomas or a Pimsleur which gives some deep structure of the language even if it doesn't explain grammar fully.

[@yhcpl01]

@typhon3808 but as far as I know he was born in England

[@abcxyz123]

Not fully surprised of course, but it just makes me interested as to how we humans can still truly believe in something when we have observed and learned and are still observing and learning so much information that could contradict a particular religion. I prefer to say 'I just don't know' whether there is a God, But maybe it's easy to say for me having grown up with non-religious parents. I would like to know your view religion, since you are truly an educated intelligent world citizen.

[@satchycollins3985]

Thanks for the info 👍

[@darrinbaker8394]

being as naschot and o both mean about in Russian makes me confused because in my dictionary it says naschot is governed by genitive and o with the prepositional well is it possible to use o which is prepositional in a possessive way? I don't know when to use them?

[@DavidJJames]

Use o and the prepositional case for "about" when you are speaking but be passively aware that naschot also will be used for about in certain contexts. You will be better understood sticking to o.

[@levettp]

3 - "lazyness": Look up a list of words you want to learn from a dictionary and write it down. Repeat 10 times ... your laziness to look it up will make you remember it 4 - "state of mind": state of meditation or even drink a bottle of vodka ... and then learn!

[@TheBikagyura]

OMG are there no less tedious instruction videos for the gold list method?

[@oolytube]

The last place to learn about the actual method is from this clown. He's more concerned with getting a laugh than he is with actually teaching it. There's a really good eBook by Lydia Machova - you can get it for free on her site: www.languagementoring.com/goldlist/

[@Luciek69]

@raphaelkick No, he means WORK for 20 minutes and REST for 10 minutes and repeat.

[@JonathanMahoney]

Hehe, perhaps. No hard feelings, my friend. You have some great ideas, I just wanted to save some people some time so they can get down to language learning quicker. ;-)

[@abdosoviet7696]

More than fantastic

[@hellokittydimaggio]

so basically we should learn subconsciously, good theory i say. subconscious learning & understanding. yup....im going to buy a graph notebook...

[@yhcpl01]

you are Englishman but you don't have any accent though, may I know why ?

[@JonathanMahoney]

I can see that. Unfortunately, it's not really clear either way. Maybe we'll find out "in the next life." =)

[@JonathanMahoney]

Certainly.

[@Arabfreemind]

thank you this is onest

[@andrewang2285]

I am skeptical, the Gold List method is just too good to be true. How would merely writing a list cause the vocabulary to fall into long-term memory? Without repetition, this just does not make sense with what we know about Learning Psychology, you need repetition to establish the neurological pathway in the brain. I hope to know is there is any scientific basis.

[@mamunurrashid5652]

He is just using a modified version of Spaced Repetition Technique,which is proven to be an effective technique!

[@mamunurrashid5652]

He is just using a modified version of Spaced Repetition Technique,which is proven to be an effective technique!

[@BabylonPatrol]

Slow going, lots of common places. Bless the 10 minute limit.

[@perseoeridano4182]

👏🏻👏🏻

[@ColKorn1965]

Maybe the reason I had such a hard time with Russian is because my tutor hated me...:(

[@learning.english7316]

👏🤝👏🙌

[@OnumLCT]

I swear this is not your normal accent

[@gammondog]

You would be correct. This is his Huliganov character. He has done other characters in his videos using different accents. Comedy is part of his channel. By the way, he is from England.

[@dogfeliz]

Hahaha so truth! He’s an actor.