Alison, the duckling whisperer. She picks them up and they calm down immediately.
@grapefruit1992 Жыл бұрын
Some men bring their wofes flowers, Morgan brought his a bunch of baby ducks 😂❤
@polarberri Жыл бұрын
I think the natural ducklings might have done well if there hadn't been a disastrous level of flooding! Wishing them luck for next year.
@bland9876 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it was the cold that killed them?
@Keep-on-ok Жыл бұрын
I think the ducklings got cold.
@JoeyBlogs007 Жыл бұрын
Cold in summer ??? Ducks are water birds 😂🤣🤪
@martinsmallridge4025 Жыл бұрын
@@JoeyBlogs007maybw time for an experiment. Put on a load of cotton or other absorbent clothing, (no waterproofs) and sit out in the rain for 24-48 hours and watch your body temp plummet. The feather down and heat sapping effects of constant water/damp aren’t friends to a baby duckling.
@JoeyBlogs007 Жыл бұрын
@@martinsmallridge4025 They were doing fine, were highly mobile and they are water birds. There were no significant floods there. These animals have evolved over millions of years and experienced that sort of thing.
@Dovietail4 ай бұрын
❤❤❤ it when Allison cameos. Greetings, sweet lady. We cherish your great heart for living things. Not suprising, considering your professional calling. Good luck with your garden this year!
@aquaticma Жыл бұрын
Watching Abby's nose in the brooding house is hilarious! I remember when you couldn't let her near baby chicks. She's come so far! ❤
@Wellington.Gonzalez Жыл бұрын
How old is Abby?
@tiii4017 Жыл бұрын
@@Wellington.Gonzalez like under 2 years, it was a year ago she came to the farm
@Dovietail4 ай бұрын
Such a bad year for geese, but such a great year for natural duckling! Who can figure? The heroes of the story are your excellent fencing and good dogs! So sorry about the rain. ❤❤❤
@Joycat510 Жыл бұрын
Morgan, don’t beat yourself up. Nature takes over and foils our plans. This is life. You and Allison have proven over and over again how much you care about your animals. You don’t owe us an apology.
@bkm2797 Жыл бұрын
Wow that's sad you lost all the baby ducklings due to bad weather. It looked like there was plenty of places that should be Ok, but I guess we learned a hard lesson. Really hope that's the last of any more flooding. Otherwise everything seems Ok, and Gold Shaw Farm will have many more 'Stories on the Farm' to tell. Thanks Morgan, appreciate you taking us along, see you soon!
@lauriemartin7358 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see Lil's reaction to sharing the house with Abby. Those chick's are going to grow into beautiful birds.
@tomgroves2567 Жыл бұрын
I've been watching you since the covid days and it's incredible when I think about how differently you respond and approach things now compared to then. Shows how much you've grown and part of me feels like you're in a better place now than before
@dawnywoodburn Жыл бұрын
Bless your heart Morgan! I know it was hard for you to lose those babies but I respect you for letting nature take it’s course. Love to you and Allison and your menagerie.
@promisedjubileedaniels Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite thing my ducks do. Disappear, then reappear more than a month later and magically have 20 ducklings. So sweet ❤️
@tenofivelips Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful small world you two have created. It's been a pleasure to watch. It's not all your fault. It's nature. And nature can be brutal. Beautiful little chicks.
@preschoolhomestead Жыл бұрын
Allison with the ducks was so adorable. Sorry for your loss of the others.
@anthonywashington2885 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your honesty with your viewers. It's very disappointing news for all of us, but this really puts much more into scope how devastating these floods are.
@piratejennish42 Жыл бұрын
Those little chicks are just so fluffy and cute!! 🥰🥰🥰
@amandajarboe1131 Жыл бұрын
Morgan, all things considered, you are doing well, learning from your mistakes and doing better. That's all anyone can ask. HUGS and the chicks look adorable!
@zoni3gurl641 Жыл бұрын
So sorry about the little ducklings. When you grabbed those ones for sale, my heart kind of hurt but then in hind sight now, it was a good thing. Mother nature can be a real kill joy sometimes. Those little chicks are adorable and will be happy to watch their progress on the farm. I am happy that your farm was pretty safe from all the flooding.
@anitraahrens905 Жыл бұрын
Wunderbar! I see Allison is happy with the new ducklings , too. Thanx for the weird chickens "moment of Zen," Morgan. So sorry that some of the ducklings perished. Love the new addition of the baby chicks. I hope Abby will be alright.
@lynnbetts4332 Жыл бұрын
Sorry about the ducklings. I had a hen pop out with 7 chicks this spring. By afternoon, she was down to 3. The crows were really active near the garden that day, so I think they got them. Or a rat snake. I had a girl sitting on 16 eggs near the shop. She got to the last week. She had kicked out a couple of bad eggs, but still had 10 left when I checked that evening. The next morning, ALL were gone. I have decided that if anymore hens hatch out chicks, I'm grabbing them and putting them in a brooder area. But, of the 4 chicks that made it through this spring, only one is a hen. I think I'll stick to buying pullets.
@ShadowMoon878 Жыл бұрын
Get a decoy Owl on your coop. They will scare the crows away
@minnahumble2294 Жыл бұрын
I think Lynn has a better idea, which is to put them in a brooder after they hatch.
@surlycanadian Жыл бұрын
@@minnahumble2294unless Lynn doesn’t ever sleep, it may be difficult for her to ensure she is even awake and aware that they’ve hatched and can move them to a safe place in a timely manner. A $10 fake owl will reduce the aerial predator risk massively and buy a lot of time for her to first discover that there are freshly hatched chicks to scoop up and move.
@lynnbetts4332 Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowMoon878 My chickens are all free-range. Normally, they all run for cover when any large bird flies overhead. This hen just wasn't very attentive. I was worried when I saw her that morning, and she wasn't keeping up with them all. Was planning on rounding them up that afternoon and putting into a dog crate overnight for safety, but too late.
@lynnbetts4332 Жыл бұрын
@@surlycanadian I have more issues with rat snakes than aerial attack. They have even killed full grown hens. Lost 3 young bantams (2 months old) to snake. They were in my 2'x8' grow-out pen, and they couldn't escape.
@jrrarglblarg9241 Жыл бұрын
I walk my dog past a place we call “the duck ditch.” Wild ducks love it. It has good forage, natural shelter and neighbors with chickens poisoned all the raccoons a few years ago. Every year a momma duck hatches a nest of eggs, sometimes up to a dozen. Survival rate is about one ducking per year, even under these ideal conditions. That’s why they sit a clutch of eggs at once.
@beejls Жыл бұрын
Good point, there's a reason some animals have large broods. Sadly, it's because most won't survive to adulthood.
@jwenting Жыл бұрын
@@beejls Correct, and that's why farmers don't let nature take its course.
@nicsxnin6786 Жыл бұрын
Saw another comment with same thought, heating plate for chicks too low. Bad storms are rough on newborns. Very glad to see your farm doing so well through this flooding event. My prayers go out for those who didn’t fare as well 🙏.
@graehamjestin1493 Жыл бұрын
Audrey has to be my favorite cow on the farm. I love how sleek her coat is and she's got a beautiful build! She strikes a very impressive figure
@RollingThunder2020 Жыл бұрын
Morgan, keep in mind that species generally evolve to breed enough that 2 will survive to adulthood and breed; species where a lot of them tend to die off young have large broods and ducks definitely fit in the "larger brood" category. 50% survival to teenage stage is probably a higher than in the wild average.
@carleeneaton5272 Жыл бұрын
So sorry about your ducklings. I’m in western central VT and we had considerable flooding near me as well. Farm life is truly wonderful and can be so difficult as well. I really enjoy your videos and your approach towards farming. Keep up the good work.
@Facts_homesteading Жыл бұрын
Yo love all the things you did on the farm and I like how far you went with it and it's just so amazing to see all of these baby ducklings following there mom it's heart warming and adorable.
@James2PlayzMC Жыл бұрын
This video just goes to show how powerful nature is!
@AshKay131 Жыл бұрын
All growth is so fulfilling and beautiful thank you as always for sharing with us, Morgan!
@donnalaplante6589 Жыл бұрын
NEK Vermont Born raised. Prayers for Vermont ❤ Our beautiful state another flood
@tomorrowhowever7488 Жыл бұрын
When you began, you had intention. You took action on that intention. That is why your farm has not flooded. Thanks for the inspiration.
@tomorrowhowever7488 Жыл бұрын
Please don't discount the swales and pond. They may have saved your farm! Your thoughtful use of land made it possible for you to help others! Oh wow, you're the cool kid now!
@DanCheaptrix Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear about your ducklings. Glad those three got the chance to have a good life.
@phasm42 Жыл бұрын
Could poke a few drain holes in the shademobile, maybe rivet them with tarp rivets so they're not prone to rip further.
@sgrvtl7183 Жыл бұрын
Always look forward to seeing your videos. The ducklings are adorable, sorry the losses, always sad. You have a lot going on - on the farm!!
@Nphen Жыл бұрын
Now you know for next year to collect the natural hatchlings by the end of the day you find them. No need for the brooder, put them in the bins you kept the gooselings in. That way you can just dump out the bedding when it gets dirty. It was amazing to see them in their natural habitat, maybe allow them out in nice weather and collect them at night. You may well sell a few and only have to raise a few.
@pistol0grip0pump Жыл бұрын
I love how much Alison melts at the sight of baby ducklings, like how can you not? Those little peeps....Oh my god I just got why the candies are called peeps!..how did I not get that until now?!
@gabriellafox7948 Жыл бұрын
🐤Those baby ducks are so precious and I was so happy for the mama! I’m surprised that not even one 🤷🏼♀️or two of them survived?? So sad I almost cried, especially because I know how disappointing that was for you. I can’t imagine how you felt when you found the first two. I know it’s a farm and we’re supposed to just take this all in stride but it is very sad to loose the life of any animal. Hopefully next time the weather won’t be severe or you could remove them with the mother into our safe enclosure for a week until the babies get a bit stronger. Then you can put them right back out on the range with everyone else. Some may say that that’s cheating, rather I think it’s a hand up in the preservation of a little flock. I know Abbey is already doing OK from other videos, press on stay strong & know that we love that you share all this with us Morgan, such a beautiful farm. Both you/farm have learned and grown so much over the last couple of years✨ ♥️🇨🇦♥️
@-touya_todoroki Жыл бұрын
I suggest "shelter boxs" for mamas brooding outsider or your animals that stay outside, having pockets and multiple escape routes out where they like to nest As well as maybe putting out flood protection?
@Spudscave Жыл бұрын
Everyone take a deep breath and relax Life at the farm goes on ❤from Glasgow Scotland 🏴
@meilaniwenska664 Жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome job the ducks did hatching out so many lil ducklings! Though was nervous to watch this video from seeing prior one. I hope Abbylicious has been contained up top and her paw is better. Also, at 12:52 check the amazing Thunderthighs! Looks like a chicken superhero!
@Lonesome__Dove Жыл бұрын
Stoked for the live reading of Toby dog book. Literally can't stop thinking about it. When u told us on the fundraising livestream if we made it to 20k i knew i had to do everything i could to help make that happen. Still going to get the physical copy and the audio version as well. I don't have children and my only nephew is a teenager so im getting it for myself lol. I still have my favorite childrens books 📚
@howdywowey2165 Жыл бұрын
Love the detailed chick raising section. Excellent Video 🎉
@mollydion8311 Жыл бұрын
Those chicks are so beautiful. Will enjoy watching them grow.
@leahness3588 Жыл бұрын
The mothers do a good job at raising their babies. The storm didn't help. I keep my hen and babies in a separate pen for a few weeks so they don't get trampled by the adults. Live and learn. ❤❤
@jeanneshannon5607 Жыл бұрын
Allison, your hubby looks healthy! Good to see you too😍
@jimputnam2044 Жыл бұрын
I live in NS> Canada ,we too were hit with the worst flooding in 50 yrs. Millions of dollars worth of damage. The weather is deffinately getting weird. We had a spring drought and wild fires that consumed a lot of forest. Now all under water.
@linnsoltwedel Жыл бұрын
These videos have turned in to my favorite videos on KZbin! :D
@randymousley1427 Жыл бұрын
Do you follow “Just a Few Acres”? If not, you should.
@jillianstolling2602 Жыл бұрын
I remembered you telling us about this in your live stream and kind of was dreading watching this video. I love mucklings and as much as I hate raising them myself, there is nothing quite like the little water monsters. We generally take in our moms with their babies, unless the mom proves to be a bad mother (had a mother hen this year kill her chicks and then stuff the bodies under her so we took the few remaining eggs.) If the mom is bad we can help the babies and kick her back out or if he is decent after a few days we release them all together or a week or two later, as in the past winter where we had similar storms all season and a few crazy hens who thought it was wise to hatch in that. Don't kick yourself to much, most people don't know how bad an atmospheric river can be when it's dumping on you. Fingers crossed for you out there that it is just the one storm and not a season of them like California. Thank you for the story and thank you even more for the Cochin babies at the end. Gosh I love those babies and birds more than anything. Good luck and best wishes for safety.
@brookemahanes Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry you lost them Morgan. Your new chics are beautiful.
@atlanticx100 Жыл бұрын
That was a creek! wow, your neighborhood was hit badly. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
@Lightna Жыл бұрын
Take it as a leason, Morgan. The next time you have a gut feeling that the weather is not going to be good for baby animals, take it as a sign you should prepare shelter for them ASAP. Do not force down that feeling, listen to your gut. : )
@benjaminwilliams3568 Жыл бұрын
Gold I'm very Sad with you over the loss of those wonderful clutch of baby ducks. That was impressive the sheer number of new born baby ducks😢. Truly a loss of a blessed miracle. I'm praying to God that somewhere somehow some of those lost babies are found.
@ljcl1859 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry about the ducklings. I think a middle ground letting the ducks raise the ducklings but in a more secure area. In one of the mobile coops like you have done before worked pretty well. At least until they are bit bigger. Same with the chickens, I have seen most farmers seperate them out with their mothers, in a separate coop.
@OliviaLovesPugs Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was thinking; collect all the babies and their mother and grow them out in a brooder setup.
@katherinewhittenberg8919 Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry for your loss of birds, but this can be an experience for the next time. Would you be able to build a mountain or raised area in the pasture for the birds protection.
@cindym7234 Жыл бұрын
Morgan, anytime you see a mother duck with babies, catch the mom and babies and lock them up!!! Don't talk yourself out of it. Just do it!! It's a no brainer!
@JenesisDark Жыл бұрын
I could weirdly watch 30 mins of weird chicken zen. You have trained me well.
@catherinecarreiro3955 Жыл бұрын
Sorry about the lost ducklings. 😢Love the colors among the new chicks. 😊
@christiensgarden3325 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about the ducklings and I think you are right keeping them in a brooder
@user-nm1rv2bh7k Жыл бұрын
Did you really think they would be okay with the amount of rain that was coming?
@Adam.304 Жыл бұрын
we went camping this wknd, in alberta. i cant believe what BEAUTIFUL 35ºC days were followed by terrential rains in the evening.
@sasasudar6845 Жыл бұрын
Those chicks are friking cute, the cutest so far on your farm Keep a good job Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina
@heidipustelniak652 Жыл бұрын
Sad, to lose the ducklings! They were so cute!
@Mac-di1yf Жыл бұрын
In the past you had put the mother duck and ducklings in mobile shelters for a couple of weeks and I thought that had better results. They may not be able to roam free like how you would want but if it does have better survivability results seems like the best of both worlds.
@T_P_W_ThachoZenjuan Жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhh, all that work in hatching them and boom. Gone. I've learned to always take the babes or lock em up during crap weather.
@FoxySonia Жыл бұрын
@goldshawfarm Morgan, sorry for the ducklings that didn't make it. Your new chicks are adorable. The brooder heat plate is set way to low and close to the floor. It should be high enough to allow the chicks (or ducklings or goslings) to easily get under it and not have direct contact with the hot metal plate. The birds won't know where they can get warmth unless you show them by placing them under the brooder heat plate, like you did with the "sleepy" chick that was actually too cold and would most likely have died if not warmed up.
@arcan762 Жыл бұрын
tbh I would have thought this would be a learned lesson at this point and have just immediately moved them into that triangular chicken tractor thing that a bunch of baby ducks were successfully raised in with the parents last time
@seth4bucks Жыл бұрын
In years past, you have put new born ducklings/goslings with their moms inside one of your modified John Suscovich chicken tractors until they got old enough to free range. Those ones are the ones who have great survivability and the others are the ones who usually fail to make it. Leaving literally just hatched little ducklings out to face the worst bad weather Vermont has seen in decades seems a little inhumane and contrary to everything you stand for when you could have at least corralled them into a chicken tractor.
@pfeilsusan Жыл бұрын
Went into Hobby Lobby the other day and highland cows are the "in" thing. Artwork throughout the store showing these beautiful species. :)
@katiehettinger7857 Жыл бұрын
Sad you lost your naturally hatched ducklings to the stormy weather, but your philosophical response was refreshing. The reality of the survival rate caststhe way domestic birds are raised in a kinder light. 😉👍💙🇺🇸🕊
@tjs114 Жыл бұрын
when you rebuild the shade mobile, try to make one side taller than the other- either on the short side or the long side it doesn't matter; but the angled roof would let the rain run off rather than pool.
@marymasters3960 Жыл бұрын
Sorry about the loss of all those cute ducklings. My cat went absolutely nuts when all those chicks were peeping away, she just couldn't figure out where they were. We have more than double the normal rainfall for this area, also in the N east.
@ajnormandgroome Жыл бұрын
Great shirt!
@steveshoemaker6347 Жыл бұрын
Well sad that some of the little Ducks did not make it.......Thanks Morgan 👍 Old Shoe🇺🇸
@hopeofdawn Жыл бұрын
One of the things that I think a lot of us who love animals and nature is that in the wild, babies of all species often have a 90% mortality rate in the first year. Working with nature is important for a farmer, but I think we tend to forget that it often isn't kind.
@greengrendel Жыл бұрын
The ducklings did well in that mama duck shed set-up that you had. That might just have to be the way, at least for that first critical week.
@tasanokiranoko881 Жыл бұрын
Are these the ducklings that had issues with the storm? Or did these end up hatching after?
@thewheelingpath-finder1955 Жыл бұрын
so to explain the ducklings from the sounds of it all died. the baby birds you seen at the end of the video are chickens not ducks
@deed5811 Жыл бұрын
All died but the 3 ducklings he sold 😢
@auntyas4petsqueenoakleyfan Жыл бұрын
Alison such a wounderful loving Feathermother
@SandrA-hr5zk Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t use the chicken tractor to house the baby ducklings. It seems to have worked in previous years.
@Ann-ub4mf Жыл бұрын
Awe...they are so cute.😊❤❤❤🥰😘 Morgan, I am so sorry about the ducklings.😢
@chloesmithwalker7565 Жыл бұрын
Love how the land and the recent rains has made a habitat for the ducks.
@Flowmaster925 Жыл бұрын
now, this was the episode that was all over place. you survived, you lost, you gained. real Shakespeare like
@eric2500 Жыл бұрын
Allison: whispers encouragement to duckling. Duckling: Warm, but screaming like a smoke alarm...
@FeedMeSalt Жыл бұрын
Hey Morgan, just wanted to ask how your flooding is doing. We share weather patterns, I'm in Nova Scotia Canada. We have lost multiple people this week and major highways washed out all over. Our farm is on a mounting so we are all good, I'm hoping your elevated farm is safe as well! We just had a missing banty hen come home with six chicks :) we thought we lost her cus she's tiny but nope, she was brooding our brown commercial hen flocks eggs. This little 1 pound chicken brought home six babies half her size. Sometimes nature can be amazing. Sometimes it can be more scary then anything else on this planet. Stay safe man!
@gabriellafox7948 Жыл бұрын
Amazing that she was able to bring home those little baby chicks half her size. You must’ve been overcome with joy at that site! Mother nature IS absolutely amazing! ♥️AB🇨🇦
@FeedMeSalt Жыл бұрын
@@gabriellafox7948 absurd! We have constant month long storms and floods, and here comes our little girl with a half dozen soaked little puff balls. She must have found somewhere near by outside to bunker down and brave the storm for those babies. Babies she didn't even lay 😭 she's a forever brood hen now, never gonna get rid of her.
@luckyrobinshomestead Жыл бұрын
As a farmer, nothing is a complete loss if we learn from it. You have learned that next time you will trust your instincts more, and you did have them, to go and grab the ducklings. Experience is what teaches. We all learn by making mistakes. In a good year, your experiment would have gone just fine, but this was not a good year. If you had succeeded this year, or for several years, and then had a year like this, you would have felt just as bad as this, but now you know from the beginning that this can happen and to be prepared for it. Early lessons are better than late lessons, but I'm still sorry you went through it. It feels rotten.
@alixmccullough8159 Жыл бұрын
It seems like every year you try to have ducklings raised on the pasture and every year they die. But last year it seemed like you found a good medium between brooding ducks and letting the mamas raise them; by keeping them in chicken tractors. Is there a reason you’re not doing it this year when it worked out last year?
@alixmccullough8159 Жыл бұрын
*keeping them with the mamas in the chicken tractors
@Yinlock470 Жыл бұрын
i think he dislikes that medium, he has an obsession with purely pasture-raised ducks even though it never works out for him. it's his biggest flaw as a farmer imo
@i-am-erica Жыл бұрын
My kitty cat is loving this video! 👍 from her. 😊
@wezul Жыл бұрын
Didn't you put the momma ducks with their chicks in a chicken tractor a couple years ago, instead of letting them roam free? Would that have helped the new ducklings survive the storm?
@l.mcmanus3983 Жыл бұрын
Please remember that the fatality rate for any wild animal young will often be high, probably even more that 50%. It’s just a fact of life. I think you made good decisions considering the circumstances. It sucks there was that much rain. We got it here in Montreal too. It was nuts!
@Rayxster Жыл бұрын
Im so sorry about all those ducklings😢, please don't blame yourself to hard. We all learn from out mistakes, we improve, and we change. Next year, if the same situation arises, you know to remove them from the mother duck. Nature can truly be cruel, I doubt many wild ducklings survived that ordeal.
@RoulicisThe Жыл бұрын
The loss rate of ducklings in the wild is between 50 and 70%. It's easy to forget how merciless nature can be
@defeqel6537 Жыл бұрын
@@RoulicisThe we also forget that those percentages used to apply to human babies / children, though more usually at birth
@Zairin. Жыл бұрын
its always a treat seeing Allison in the videos also for the shademobile, you could always have one wheel lower than the other. i cant see it impacting rolling it around, and the water will naturally slide off
@sooshrholes647 Жыл бұрын
I was correcting my 6 yr old and she looks at me, smiles and says," GOOD MORNING WEIRD CHICKENS!" Do you know hard it is to be sincere while dying laughing???
@Jennifer62389 Жыл бұрын
The new chicks have very pretty colors.
@angeliamesserschmidtpowell6074 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the baby chicks part.
@MrAxidol Жыл бұрын
I’m Vietnamese, we like eating duck eggs in our dishes called thit kho trung😊 it’s pork and duck eggs simmering in fish sauce
@dc-4ever201 Жыл бұрын
Might wanna consider building some Duck houses to put up there, raised up just enough to keep water out, it will allow momma Ducks to have some shelter with the brood.
@pattyellen1954 Жыл бұрын
Yes it's heart wrenching to watch ducks wash away into the stream and beyond We try our best
@SpeakerWiggin49 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for Toby dog to sire some PUPPIES!
@judykinsman3258 Жыл бұрын
Great music accompaniment Morgan.👌
@SearchfortheMeaning6 ай бұрын
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@MR-puffnstuff Жыл бұрын
I love ur property and self sustaining lifestyle.
@mentalcaes Жыл бұрын
My cat loved watching the baby chicks.
@jason2wheels546 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered learning welding? When it comes to the shademobile and happy cow mobile it always hits my head how much more durable it could be if it was welded instead of screwed together