Shadow Colors and Undershot Shading

[@GoobertownHobbies]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnvJf3WDgr-MeLs Oh yeah, that's the stuff! By chance Dana and I did an outstanding job at covering different aspects of this technique, and plus it's always a pleasure to watch her videos 🙂

[@DanaHowl]

thank uuuuuuu 😉😉😉😉😉

[@tylerttinsley]

I recommend trying badger Mintair paints ghost tint set. It’s often affordable and you get so much of each color. They dry a little glossy though so be sure to finish with a flat varnish.

[@DanaHowl]

Thanks so much for coming to visit, and making these videos with me Brent!!! It was a ton of fun, let's do it again sometime!!! 😊😊😊

[@GoobertownHobbies]

heck yeah! 🙂

[@torymiddlebrooks]

I imagine Brent yelling "I'm on vacation" every time Dana asked him to take a turn on the airbrush

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I just didn't want to clog up her airbrush ;-)

[@DanaHowl]

more like I wouldn't give him a turn on the airbrush, I was having too much fun!!!!

[@SwampRatMiniatures]

Dana’s B-roll Brent faces are spot on

[@ObsidianCrane]

Back in 1985 Boris Vallejo wrote "Fantasy Illustration Techniques" and I have long remembered (sort of) this quote (page 44) "I like to use a reflection of what is around in the shadow areas of the skin. If the scene has vegetation, it's nice to use some green on the skin as well as some warm colours to offset the coolness of the green. If it is a snow scene, I like to use blues and purples on the skin to give the impression of cold." This feels like a more deliberate approach to what you are doing with your shading here. Adding colours to the shadows to reflect the surroundings, or using a single colour in the shadows (of all materials) to establish a unifying light source are very valid artistic methods to help create the illusion of reality in your art - be it on a miniature or a painting.

[@jamesyoungquist6923]

Exactly my thoughts. Study how classical painters chose colors for shadows on people, it's a reflection of the environment. Do the same thing for the sky above

[@TheArmyPainter]

Such a cool video! We agree that “Undershot Shading” is a super simple way to add interest to your minis and Speedpaint is a great tool to use!

[@willsuttie3683]

I've been getting great results with Purple Alchemy sprayed onto an orcy green and Hive Dweller Purple onto Hawkquoise!

[@smashbother5684]

Oh my god, 2 of my favorite minipainting KZbinrs in one video. The world is not ready.

[@ItsDrMcQuack]

Oh damn, I did NOT expect this collab! Feels like being given a spontaneous gift. Yay!

[@TommyDye]

Two of my favorite and most chill mini painters working together! Nice!

[@krzysztofmathews738]

Really glad you guys teamed up for this project! This is very helpful.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Not only I have gone to watch Dana's channel, I have already subscribed to her content!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

woooo!!! we appreciate you :-)

[@ionminiatures]

A lot of painters I notice do underpainting at the time they do the zenithal. So it’s first instead of after the fact to get really good results. I don’t have an air brush for stuff like this, though it can be done with a rattle can too. Fantastic video as always. So informative.

[@donniem7979]

warm transitions are the best

[@magnusmillerwilson]

So fun to see Goob and Dana together! Also at 2:49 the look on Dana’s face when you start unpacking all your stuff on her clean desk is PRICELESS. I laughed so hard I had to rewind and watch it a couple of times.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hehehehe that's my favorite part too :-)

[@user-ov1nn1em4j]

Glad to see RodgeRules mentioned in the description. Lots of good work happening on the historicals side of minis KZbin that unfortunately doesn't get a lot of attention.

[@Searinex]

2:00 I've heard this method called Under Shading from Ninjon (I think, the video was a year+ ago).

[@chadkittleson5447]

Orange and Purple is a large part of my T'au color scheme. Love it.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

so good :-)

[@michaelsbagley]

Loving this lesson and this colaboration!

[@eastoforion]

brent is going crazy with the collabs lately and they have all been amazing!

[@kai_the_shark9044]

My 2 favourite mini youtubers in 1 video! Let's go!

[@spaero2011]

I just started a Space Marine army scheme using a monochromatic undershot shade, and it's great to see this affirmation! I love seeing your systematic approach to testing the full range of different techniques.

[@SweenyMarc]

I don't know if it's cool name dropping other channels here, but I hope it's okay to say GRG Miniatures has been putting out great videos exploring this style of coloured under painting for a long while. Totally changed how I think about base coats, shadows and highlights.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

recommendations are always welcome, thank you! :-)

[@itzasicklegend8740]

The first KZbinr I’ve seen who goes through each variable for the cause and effect of how paint’s interact with each other. This is my learning style too and no other KZbinr could teach me as well as you have

[@bertrandleray4628]

There are really few things that make me as happy as seeing a new goobertown video is online!

[@Duppyman695]

Awesome job as usual, making the hobby fun and colourful!

[@kmykz]

Typcial Goobertown content (shoutout to Dana too) - precise and always well structured :) I like the approach a lot and imo it is superior to a wash, especially in batch painting.

[@trisbane4086]

I'm so glad there are creators like you and Dana and many others for this hobby. This video is not only wholesome and fun but I think a very useful resource that I'll be revisiting in the future. Thank you so much for making videos.

[@Chodor101]

Never watched Dana but pinky promise is a pinky promise, I'm going to her channel now.

[@Miniatur_Steve]

the Bob Ross of the miniature painting world. Really interesting and helpful video! thanks for the testing and analysis!

[@isisnmagic1812]

Brent and Dana my mind is blown, cant wait to see what Dana says. Keep being you Brent

[@connorjensen9699]

Back in the day Privateer Press helped put this sort of thing on the map. Almost no other painting guides actually recommended painting on the shadows. PP worked from mid-tones out, while everyone else just recommended to build up consecutive highlights. Seeing that in one of their books way back really opened up my painting.

[@AwkwardBirb]

That pink and yellow combo was amazing! This is definitely an exciting tool to add to my arsenal, thank you both for sharing ❤

[@rustybateman]

I really want to see more of these colorations with Dana and Brent. They are both great on their own. Together they are spectacular.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hehehe, thanks! I'll have to loop back through canada again soon :-)

[@Jonas_Fox]

Really love this episode! I can't wait to try some of this stuff with my airbrush. 💜 Can't wait to see Dana's take. I always love her unique takes.

[@Theexplorographer]

I'm going to be a forward thinker and use both! Just some advice though? It's okay to call it Shadowing and Highlighting. But, whatever floats your boat, skipper.

[@zealouslyonpsychedelics]

These videos make my day!

[@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb]

Happy to see the collaboration!

[@energypull6847]

I love these joint vids and you both are among my faves!! I’d love to see you do more remote conversations while painting swapping ideas, techniques and perspectives!!

[@MichaelZickefoose]

I JUST started using this technique a few days ago, it's cool to see a video with you two doing it as well

[@GoobertownHobbies]

nice! It's a fun one 🙂

[@wrathofkoniu]

When I watch other painter use airbrush, its always in pristine condition. Mine does not look like that and this makes me sad all the time. Good to see that not every airbrush need to be mint condition to be working fine, just like mine ;D

[@chrisboyne5791]

Big fan of both of you guys. Great collab

[@RigorMortis999]

This reminds me I bought golden acrylic high flow shading grey two years ago and never used it. Time to try.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

now is your time! :-)

[@animeator]

Ooh. excellent. I loved these 🥰

[@gregoryhall4062]

Wookkewoo Two of my favorite painters to watch all in one.

[@LordMattus]

Great video. Thank you for taking the time to try so many different combinations.

[@Dadsidehobbies]

We needed this video for sure. Thanks guys

[@almost_zab]

shut the front door! What treat with this duo :)

[@Delsin071]

I tried this yesterday, using a purple to undershot a gold basecoat. It looked so good that I'm always going to try an undershot colour.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

pretty sweet, eh? :-)

[@graefx]

Ive always remembered your Blood Angels army painting and doing a black undershot shadind that really stuck with me. Fascinating to see that concept expanded across the color wheel

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Heck yeah! it works on heavy armor really well :-)

[@capt.mannerings8095]

okay so dana's video won the thumbnail game but loved the video with so much science! love your videos and hope to catch you live some time again. You are a credit to the hobby community sir.

[@matt123miller]

For the algorithm! This video deserves more views.

[@grimoirworkshop6623]

The sheer amount of times Brent and Dana say word “undershot” in both videos is reminding of that episode of goobertown hobbies where Brent for the first time ever decided to “paint bravely”. 😂😂😂

[@Chunkypumpkinhead]

Oh it's great to see you two in the same space! Two of my favourites.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

It was a good time!! :-)

[@Starexe97]

I was just thinking about shadow-base coat combo for some times now and you came out with this video. It's like you can read my mind! xD

[@Swooper86]

I'm always a big fan of coloured shadows, I suppose this is an easy way to accomplish that. An even older Sam Lenz video on the Tabletop Minions channel (I think it was from December 2017 or so - I remember he was painting a skeleton from Warhammer Underworlds) showed him wet blending different colours into the shadow areas. I've been using that method on almost everything I've painted since then, it had a huge imact on my personal style.

[@ThKrY]

Both videos were great :) Good collab. Was planning on something similar with multiple light sources, will add this to the mix.

[@BlackMagicCraftOfficial]

"I was in Canada for other reasons" Spoiler....the "other reasons" did not include visiting me. Love you both.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I swear Ima come over there and draw u a dang map!

[@Logaan777]

Boooo!!!!!

[@TheShelbyTheShelby]

What a cool video! I'm going to have to go back through and make notes on my favorites and tape it up next to my airbrush setup.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hehehe, have fun!!! :-)

[@beardhammerwargaming]

I love you two sitting in front of the minis and looking at them with the childful glee in your eyes :D

[@Thoadin]

i like to start with the shadow colour then paint in zenithal style, it is easier to miss spots or over shadow and the angle from the bottom is often awkward. It doesn’t work all the time but if i can i dont like that. Then i go back with the shadow colour lightly. Also thank you for all the hard work, i was looking for this for a longtime!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

this is a good strategy, yepyep! :-)

[@Ynffy]

Double the talent in one vid! Off to watch Danas after this. Side note. Shadow tones look best if they are more vivid than the mid tones and highlights in my opinion. For example a cadmium orange midtone looks amazing with a with a redish brown tone mixed into it for the shadows and a paler teal mixed into the orange for the highlights. Though I do like using an opposite color from the color wheel from time to time if it is a special figure or if it shows a lot of skin or fur. I think skin shadows look amazing using blues, purples and greens. This is how I do it since I switched to mostly using oil based paints. I love the amount of pigments they contain.

[@raeishimura]

I like the term Nadiral shading. I never tried this before, but I think im going to give it a try over my usual shading and see how it looks. I always learn something from you man. Thank you so much. I doubt i would have gotten to the level im on without you

[@bunionsandcabbage6764]

I love that you're using the "Brent from Goobertown" mini from Artisan Guild. That's awesome!

[@AnHourOfWolves]

You did the Canadian KZbinr tour eh? Good stuff 🍁

[@d-emprahexpects]

The Painting Scientist hits again! This video must have been a nightmare to edit. Worth it, you made a great resource to come back to again and again🎉🎉🎉

[@NotAllBooksSmellNice]

One of the first humans other than Brent on the channel and its Dana Howl... you spoil us Brent , hope you have a nice day! (Edit for spelling)

[@GoobertownHobbies]

have a good day yourself! 🙂

[@gregceely43]

Big fan of this! I've recently been using purple as a shadow for green, so good to see that combo represented here :)

[@GoobertownHobbies]

purple shadows are goooood :-)

[@mastafoo886]

I actually just discovered Dana's channel the other day, and yes - ill be going there next.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

excellent! she's a good one

[@mastafoo886]

@@GoobertownHobbies indeed! Ive learned a lot from both channels! I dont really wargame, but am in the process of designing 3d printed, fully articulated versions of my dinosaur sculpts, and what ive learned between your channel and Dana's has been so incredibly helpful.

[@OkieDokieCreations]

Sometimes a video comes out that just hits harder. These results were just amazing and fascinating. Also how can Brent even make army men look so good!?

[@geoffreychadwick9229]

As someone who is just getting into this hobby and just learning to paint, this channel and Brent's excitement have really made getting into the hobby easier as I feel more prepared and educated and have a lot more joy.

[@outdated-username]

Didn't know Dana yet, but there's some immediate good vibes here :) (Also loved the shot of just more and more stuff piling on her desk coming out that bag hahah)

[@TheHipHopapotimus]

Really neat testing shadows: something I take for granted or clearly haven’t put any thought in to. (Scribbling notes…)

[@tsw11385]

Two of my fave in one vid 🙌🏻

[@lecherousleech9862]

Extremely cool, can't wait to fiddle with this!

[@Dracobyte]

Great video explanation and guest appereance!

[@rvhextall]

Great video 'guys', very jealous of your skills! I've watched a lot of your videos recently and have a question that I can't really seem to find an answer to and I'm new to miniature painting. Could you offer any advice on developing the bases to the miniatures in the D&D board games please (Wrath of Ashardalon, Castle Ravenloft etc.)? They're fixed to the 'creature' and plain but ideally they'd be better looking like the dungeon tiles that they move around on maybe with a bit of texture too. Thank you for any help!

[@johnnnysilverhand9819]

What was the red brown paint used for the amazon woman? Was it a mix or from a specific brand/bottle?

[@GoobertownHobbies]

it was ruddy fur speedpaint. I've used liquitex burnt sienna ink in the past... any red-brown that you can get to shoot smooth will work! :-)

[@johnnnysilverhand9819]

@@GoobertownHobbies thank you, brother!

[@TrepidDestiny]

I've been doing this to my space marines for a while now. I use Tamiya X-13 (metallic blue) for the base coat, and then I hit the underside with Liquitex Prussian Blue ink.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

yup, that'll do it! :-)

[@MrFancyFingers]

I really need to get an air brush. Thanks for this video, very inspirational. I know you say I don’t need one, but an air brush would save a lot of time.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Oh yeah, the airbrush is so much fun, definitely get one if you have the space and the funds! :-)

[@grindsaur]

As an astronomer I’ll still recommend “nadiral” as the proper term now that we have “zenithal”.

[@Bubbowie]

I've been experimenting a bit with this technique on my salamanders space marines and found that this works quite well. I start with a zenithal from a 45 degree angle, which only leaves the a few dark spots. Warp lightning for the undershot and striking scorpion green from above. A few highlights with poisonous cloud from army painter and the armor is done. The only downside is that it's hard to fix mistakes without starting over from the start. I really like these collaboration videos and hope that we will see more of them in the future.

[@FyreMagyk67]

Great video! That said, if I may be so bold, I think this technique should be called "Shadow Casting". That said, that's just me being, well...me. anyways love seeing your videos, Brent (and good to see Dana too)!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

shadow casting is VERY strong, I like it!! :-)

[@YanniCooper]

Not going to watch Dana's video after this one... Because I watched it first! d;

[@GoobertownHobbies]

This is acceptable :-)

[@keggers5483]

I have been hoping to see an overview of shadow/highlight color combos ever since I saw your chaos warriors, thank you! Also, the amazon and yeti show how dramatic adding shadows can be. It really makes the mini pop.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Thanks! this is a fun technique, give it a try sometime :-)

[@aroncheek5092]

❤ I watch you both always

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

[@MrBoadini]

Thank you so much for this!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

thanks for watchin! :-)

[@magicstar9154]

i literally squee'd with delight seeing both Brent and Dana!

[@dissell2112]

He made me promise to go watch Dana's video, but I just watched that one and came to this one. Do I have to go back and watch her video again? Am I going to be trapped in an infinite loop of going back and forth between these two videos?

[@GoobertownHobbies]

you've got a long night ahead of you! :-)

[@Blacknight8850]

Next time you do a collaboration video, you should both say alternating words in the script so viewers have to watch both videos simultaneously: Brent: "Welcome... Goober... Hobbies... name... Brent" Dana: "To... town... my... is" etc

[@GoobertownHobbies]

this is a good idea.

[@Nathaivel]

Thrilled to see two of my favorite channels collaborate!!!

[@Rd0Lg]

This is something I've been doing, actually. Feels like such a quick cheat to get depth and interest on a model. Definitely needs cleanup but it gets superfast results.

[@Wijkert]

Great video! I realize you told Dana to go fast, but that did mean that there was a lot of airbrush artifacts in the video. Maybe not the best promo for airbrushing. Thinning and/or upping the pressure of the compressor would have helped a lot. Of course you already kno this, but that might have been a good addition to the voiceover at some point.

[@DanielVisOneCade]

Just a quick FYI for those who still have a good amount of the early speed paints. I've had little issues with reactivation when using them until I started using them through my airbrush. The fact your laying down such thin filter like layers of paint means it can reactivate more easily. That said I was using them on high traffic "zenithial" areas on battletech miniatures so was easily able to incorporate that into weathering. I still think using them especially in this manner through the airbrush is worth my time though. 👌

[@tobiasdecker5085]

Abgesehen von der Parkplatzsituation war alles top! Auch die Preise. Nächstes Jahr nehm ich nen Picknickkorb mit.

[@clawhammr666]

Interesting timing, i've been basecoating my death guard more recently kinda like that, death guard green spray on whole model and found a purple spray (too shiny/glossy though but hey) , then proceed to highlight the model (from the top), and I was gonna try a little different tonight, normal green spray (same as above) and then gonna keep adding shadow

[@KabinMiniatures]

Awesome colab 😎 Interesting topic that doesn't seem to get the same attention as zenithal highlights! I should try this 🤔

[@GoobertownHobbies]

hey thanks! Let us know how it goes :-)

[@frederikschulze8218]

woo, new Goobertown, a collab even!

[@BingoBangoBoom]

This is really cool. I will need to try this out, even though my airbrush skill is nowhere close to Dana's.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

we believe in you, give it a try!! :-)

[@Machnarl]

Hey Brent. I spotted your beautiful mug in the new(ish) Army Painter Fanatics promotion video. Will you be releasing a review video of the new range any time soon?

[@GoobertownHobbies]

no comment ;-)

[@Machnarl]

@@GoobertownHobbies Oh...That sounds.....bad

[@GoobertownHobbies]

not bad, just secret... for now@@Machnarl

[@Machnarl]

@@GoobertownHobbies Ooooh....Intriguing

[@HumanistGordian]

I've planned doing exactly this technique on larger models. In my case an eldar knight, his base color is pale sand and I planned a purple and brown undershot shading. The effect should be that of a bone armour, just as the lore describes. Thanks for the video, I was pretty insecure concerning the undershot shading and if it'll be a successful technique.