GOOD OMENS || LOVE or LAW, which is stronger? PART 2 in the series on natural laws in Good Omens

What do Neil Gaiman, Michael Sheen, and Douglas McKinnon all have in common? They love Powell and Pressburger films, particularly A Matter of Life and Death. I’ll show you the clues hidden in that movie that might tell us what to expect in Season 3.
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[@doobat708]

If anything, Neil Gaiman's "Why? LOVE." is a very encouraging quote.

[@Sendarya]

Yes!! ❤️

[@how_doidothis]

I love the subtle and not-so-subtle intertextuality of other media in Good Omens and how very intentional it all is

[@jenb7756]

I hope that they don't wait until the last episode to get Crowley and Aziraphale back together. Their interactions are what makes the story so delightful

[@ericamacs3875]

Oh God let's hope not!

[@Sudgilicious]

No fr

[@catfancier270]

Would love the series to end with a montage of Aziraphale and Crowley interacting with each other.

[@Sudgilicious]

@@catfancier270 omg that’s so cute

[@StubbyandShifu]

There can be more mini episodes about their pasts.

[@no9151]

The trial for Crowley's fall would be a great opening scene for season 3

[@sonniewesley5518]

Now I've always thought that season 3 will be Aziraphale's big chance to be there to save Crowley in the nick of time like Crowley has done so repeatedly for him, going against everything he believes in simply to save or get to Crowley and I'm hoping we get the chance to see Aziraphale do his version of the apology dance as a way to put them back on speaking terms.

[@hippolytavargas]

All of this. I'm not emotionally prepared for a year+ before season 3 and then an actual sacrifice. But I do expect a trial and sacrifice of some sort and hope that includes insight and independence -seeing heaven for what it is, burning it all down? for Aziraphale, (but also Aziraphale doing the Apology Dance). My desire to rewatch Stairway to Heaven is now turning into a Powell and Pressburger film fest, so there's that to pass the time.

[@prestontaylor3154]

IMO, Aziraphale doesn't owe anyone an apology...even Crowley. He had to try and make things better. It is WHO and WHY he is. the both just suffered a horrible case of really bad timing.

[@tximop]

@@prestontaylor3154this. He sacrificed himself instead of running away. They both hurt each other. But people make it sound like Crowley was the only one that got hurt

[@catfancier270]

Haven’t watched yet. But if love doesn’t win, I’ll want to sue for emotional damage!

[@Sendarya]

We'll have to start a class action, or maybe a huge support and recovery group, lol

[@catfancier270]

@@SendaryaBoth of those. Along with crowdfunding to pay for it all.

[@Tab-si6jl]

I hope we do see a trial, and I hope it’s Crowley’s from before the fall! I also hope the thing being sacrificed isn’t their angelic/demonic status, to me it doesn’t seem like they’ll become human at the end. I’m just happy to see what Neil writes for him and Terry!

[@Sendarya]

Agreed! Whatever Neil writes is what I'm on board for.

[@BirgitPa]

⁠@@SendaryaMe too, but we shan’t forget that Terry and Neil were/are writers who have their readers in mind while writing. I mean, sure it’ll be their story but it‘ll also be a story for the fans - because that’s what every writer lives for. (I must know) Beside that, everything is possible in S3. Uhm… maybe not the theory in which Crowley and Aziraphale be humans in the end 😳

[@Sudgilicious]

Same, it would just take away the magic of their existence. And after going through so much trouble to be together they would die eventually not soon after depending on the circumstances, and that would make me so sad

[@BirgitPa]

@@Sudgilicious I think they stay angels and will live forever.

[@Sudgilicious]

@@BirgitPa hopefully

[@edhellinde]

Agree with everything that's said except the statement that aziraphale hasn't yet defied what he considers as law. He actually has defied law lots of times. He doesn't believe that heaven is always "good" - that's why he averts Armageddon, saves jobs children, and continues to be close friends with Crowley. I think what he needs to do is let go of his idea of what heaven *Should* or *could* be. The idea that there is this clear separation between good and evil. Good and evil are just 2 sides of the same coin...But he clearly doesn't think that heaven is good now (that's why he wants to improve it), and he doesn't think that all the laws need to be obeyed.

[@maizie9454]

i dont want other characters. i just want crowley and azirophale.

[@Luxinda]

That was basically my first thought, too. I’ll be back for Season 3 because of Crowley and Aziraphale and how they deal with this new situation. 🥰

[@ericamacs3875]

I do love Maggie and Nina, and Shax and some of other characters. But I don't want it to focus on some new characters.

[@mmcga823]

This reminds me of that line from Interstellar: Maybe [love is] some evidence, some artefact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive. I'm drawn across the universe to someone I haven't seen in a decade, who I know is probably dead. Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space. Maybe we should trust that, even if we can't understand it.

[@Sendarya]

Brilliant comparison, and agreed! Love that movie, one of the best of the last few decades.

[@bauwoman2]

I can see a law vs. love theme in Season 3, although (not having seen the movie you are referencing) I see it as more heaven's law (obedience to God's plan) vs. love of things that are not the Almighty. At the end of Season 2 I became very worried for Aziraphale in Season 3. My immediate concern was how Aziraphale would cope when his belief in obedience to the Almighty (and his angelic identity) comes up against his love for the earth and for Crowley. That conflict seems inevitable with the Second Coming project and poor Aziraphale will be forced at some point (maybe multiple points) to make choices between those values of his. Aziraphale took the promotion thinking he can "fix" heaven. Meanwhile Crowley never got the chance to tell him the real reason Gabriel ended up in the bookshop. Aziraphale thinks it is because Gabriel wanted to be with Beelzebub, but the reality is that Gabriel left because he opposed Armageddon Version 2 (the Second Coming?) and was about to get his memory wiped because of that disobedience. Gabriel expected to be cast out for disobedience and figured that way he would end up with Beelzebub. All those years in heaven and the memory wipe plan surprised him and he had to scramble fast to preserve his memories, his identity and love. Aziraphale knows of none of this danger. I can see a plot going either direction, with either Aziraphale or Crowley or both having to make a major sacrifice. At this point in the story, there is no way to save the earth and obey the Almighty (at least according to the Metatron.) Great choices: Obedience to "the Great Plan" (which may not be the Ineffable Plan) or love for a demon or the earth (when organized religion tells us God must come first.) Can't wait to see how Neil Gaiman decides to take the story in Season 3 - I'm sure it will be great and unexpected.

[@letolethe3344]

We may see the doing away with angels and demons entirely, with all beings becoming mortal. I do think we'll find out that God was testing not humans, but angels, when She created the universe and people--to see how angels/demons treat lesser beings when given great power over them. I think only A & C passed the test.

[@annt-g8934]

I think you've done a great job of capturing several of the themes in A Matter of Life and Death, and tying them in with Good Omens - both what we've seen so far and what we're likely to see in S3! :) I grew up in Sweden watching loads of old British movies, and have seen several of the great Powell & Pressburger ones. AMoLaD is probably my favorite, and I have seen it several times. Much like GO, I get more out of each viewing, both in terms of details and just seeing some themes differently. There is so much in AMoLaD that brings to GO to mind, in no order: Organizations that see individuals as pawns; questioning and arguing with heaven; someone's "law" not being the same as moral "right;" creating one's own side; humans winning by working together and defining their own side; Heaven vs Earth; Love is sacrifice; stopping time (and time in general); actions & choice of bravery changing outcomes; the use of color for earth vs. the starkness (and white suits) of heaven; references to Shakespeare & other poets; the first scene (universe voice over); the camera obscura "god's" view; using the same actors in multiple roles; mixing humor with some very deep topics; nations representing different personalities and focus; and yes the chess book. :) Above all it's about love, love over-coming all, and those who believe in true love are stronger together. I can't agree more: If you haven't seen it yet, find it and watch it. If you have seen it in the past, watch it again. :) And then watch some of their other movies, like "I know where I'm going" and "Canterbury Tale." I have a whole list of quotes and themes from P&P movies that apply to GO.

[@AuthorEstherMitchell]

Um... I don't know if you've already considered this, but we already HAD a trial. And they both, in a way, sacrificed themselves for humanity and the ability to stay on Earth and be together (though they weren't thinking of it that way, maybe, at the time) at the end of Season 1. We also saw Gabriel's trial, in Season 2, and his willingness to go to Hell (sacrifice himself for love). I'm not sure if this means we'll see some blend of both versions in Season 3, or if they're done with trials. I also have this theory that the sacrifice for Season 3 was already made, and we just haven't realized it, yet, because it hasn't been revealed. Guess we'll all see come Season 3. :)

[@lulu480]

Your ability to make connections is brilliant! I know nothing about that movie. I will definitely try to find it. I do hope they begin talking to each other before the end! Especially since this is also the end of series.

[@Th3ast3r]

"I was confused at first but now i understand" said no one, i am actually confused!

[@Sendarya]

I'm here if you have any questions :)

[@Th3ast3r]

@@Sendarya It's the law or love for me i don't quite understand that part, what law is stopping the love and how would love stop the law?

[@willowmaid]

I think god in this show is the equivalent of a person playing sims (at least in s2). But as I've heard in other movie about friendship between an angel and a demon: Angel: "but if you control people and their lives, why don't you make them good and let them do what ever they want? Why don't you take control?" God: "have you seen how many of them are down there? And to think I'd have to lead everyone myself and not let them do anything? I'd go crazy!" Angel: "but... you're the creator... without you..." God: "without god's will not a single grass would move. Exactly." (Or something like this, I can't remember exactly, but this is essentially the conversation) I think this could work in Good Omens too. Without god's will the world and people wouldn't exist, yet god doesn't lead everybody directly. His will is that everybody has their own free will. Whoa, this was way more spiritual than I thought it would be. Great video as always!

[@mill-i-am]

I watched this film quite young too, and the similarities have not been lost on me. I'm also a hopeless romantic which is probably thanks to (or why I love) "A Matter of Life and Death." I love that there's going to be more fans of this film too, as I've not met anyone else who knows it!

[@clarestubbs9303]

I love it too! 😍I was a fan before I even started watching GO.

[@bigbigmamamoo]

We already saw a trial in hell and a not!trial in heaven at the end of Season 1

[@_Mahh.C.Silva_]

5:29 it's exactly what happened between Crowley and Aziraphale. I'm pretty sure I will watch this movie! 10:50 I don't think they'll make a trial, maybe something similar, and I think there will be a sacrifice, an important sacrifice, but they won't kill any important characters.

[@Sendarya]

Agreed, it would be a bit darker than the rest of the show in tone to perma-kill anyone we care about. I'm glad you will watch the movie. Enjoy!

[@morgana7116]

the law is a convention decided by the few to organize the many, unemotional and depersonalized, which is sometimes correct and often, unfortunately, is f***ing not. I imagine Crowley's fall can be attributed to the second case, he is a victim of the system. Love, friendship and loyalty between people who live each other emotionally and personally, know each other, help each other, argue maybe sometimes but at the same time appreciate each other, however, can never, never, never be wrong. And it's stronger.

[@morgana7116]

Oh and would really like to see 'Jim' come back from wherever he ended up to help Azi and Cro, after all that dusting together!

[@jaywallcreeper]

I don't know... I think it will be Crowley who sacrifices himself somehow. And maybe Aziraphale will miraculously bring him back... But I hope for a happy ending... :)

[@supremeoverlorde2109]

I like this theory. And I do think the power of love vs law jives very well with the themes of both seasons 1 and 2, so it would make sense if it played a significant role once again in season 3.

[@Zoozangel63]

Grew up on a Matter of Life or Death..it was one of my Mum's favourite films...we watched most P&P films...they used to be often on Saturday or Sunday afternoons... I adore the film...it was probably one of the things that started my Angel fixation.

[@Sendarya]

That's awesome!

[@critchook]

I haven’t seen AMoLaD/StH yet, but I’ll give it a watch. We’ve seen two trials (Crowley in s1, Gabriel in s2) so it’s probably Azi’s turn in s3. Or God’s. Love your vids (as you know)💛🖤

[@Sendarya]

Thank you, and great thought about it being possibly Aziraphale's turn, or God's!

[@sonniewesley5518]

You know that it just hit me that Crowley has asked Aziraphale twice now to runaway with him only to be rejected both times will it be Aziraphale's turn in season 3.

[@Sendarya]

Interesting idea for a parallel in season 3. 😲

[@sabrina3297]

He technically asked three times. haha The first time I watched the series I thought they were just really good friends but after rewatching I realized that they both had feelings for one another the entire time. lol

[@clarestubbs9303]

Three times if you count the argument on the street after the Bandstand scene. 1) Bandstand 2) On the Street 3) Final 15

[@sabrina3297]

Exactly!! ​@@clarestubbs9303

[@BirgitPa]

Wonderful topic and a lot of to think about first! For the moment and spontaneous I like to modify your title a bit, if it’s allowed: LOVE WILL WIN! And as I said bevor, if not, Neil can book his ticket to Alpha Centauri (and hope Crowley isn’t waiting for him).

[@Sendarya]

😂 Yes, I agree! Love will win! (Or we will riot, as the saying goes).

[@netherfield2000]

Your analyses are excellent as always. I really don't want to watch A Stairway to Heaven because I really want to avoid accidental spoilers in case Season 3 sticks very closely to the ending of the movie. I want to be surprised.

[@Sendarya]

That is a very fair and understandable view. ❤️

[@BitsNBobs]

Just wanted to say you are in my top 10 favorite voices ever

[@Sendarya]

Wow, thank you so much for that lovely compliment! ❤️ I'm also so glad you enjoyed the video.

[@lemon8283]

Peter, don’t forget your book!

[@MtMomDesigns]

(Long comment follows.) I watched the P&P film on your recommendation (both here and in other videos ;-) ). I do think it likely we will see a Trial in S3. I would like to know more about Crowley’s Fall, but I also see another possibility. Perhaps a trial will come towards the END of the contemporary action. Not sure what will trigger it - probably Aziraphale’s attempts to “fix” heaven and The Plan; messing that up like when the Heavenly Courier misses Peter in his fall through the fog and the un-Plan-ned meeting between Peter and June happens, and like when A&C thwart the Great Plan in S1. But I imagine both Azi and Crowley being involved, like June being outside the surgical theater and being summoned to testify. At first, Peter offers to ascend the Stairway to Heaven by dying, but he is restrained and June is then questioned. She does mount the stairway; her sacrifice is accepted. Perhaps Azi will be the apparent defendant and victim, but it will be *Crowley* (the one who wears June’s hairstyle Before the Beginning) who steps in to be the sacrifice! An angel being selfless would / could be expectable, but a *demon*?! THAT would have impact on the Court! I imagine (and it breaks my heart) that, like June, quiet tears will start to trickle down Crowley’s cheeks as he stoicly says Good Bye to Aziraphale. The Stairway of Death/Judgment will lurch to a halt…. Freedom is granted. Love wins. I know we speculate about humans needing to have a big part to play in the salvation of the Good Omens World. Perhaps it will be explicitly the work and influence of humans that allow Crowley to make this sacrifice? And that will be how the World comes to share in the Victory? Crowley has come so far! When he’s called nice, he has moved from “I’m not nice! [body slams A]” to “I’m not… either [‘good’ or a ‘lad’]. But thanks. [gracious smile to Ms. Sandwich]”.

[@Sendarya]

These are some really great ideas and theories! And I'm so glad you watched those PnP movies.

[@prestontaylor3154]

If the plan for Armaggedon is going wrong, as per NG. isn't that a GOOD thing?

[@theforgetfulalchemist]

Since season 3 is going to be about the Second Coming, I hope the Oh Hello's Solder, Poet, King plays at some point

[@moondivine2288]

That would be awesome. Though in that case Aziraphale would be the solder, Gabriel the poet and Jesus/ Crowley the king. The reason Gabriel would be the poet is because he’s supposed to be the messenger.

[@Sendarya]

That would be awesome! Love that piece of music.

[@MtMomDesigns]

I’m not familiar with that music. I’ll have to check it out now!

[@graziacavasino8884]

What has really disturbed me since the beginning of GO is the rigidly hierarchical vision of Heaven and Hell. I know it's a harsh criticism of the traditional views of these two realms but I find it more than "toxic", as our devilish friend says: unbelievable.

[@Sendarya]

Well, Good Omens is a satire, and there are certainly criticisms of religious belief and hierarchy built into the narrative.

[@graziacavasino8884]

@@Sendarya of course. This is why I cling to my silly hope of seeing Jesus's second coming as a true love revolution.

[@fala.sylwianna]

Now I just need to watch this film.

[@IberianGeek]

So interesting theory!

[@leslieshepherd9045]

I know Neil says it won’t be as sweet and romantic as S2, but I thought S1 was very romantic, right, there’s just going to be more serious drama, the stakes are higher, and it’s not going to be so domestic in a way.

[@rainbowyarn]

But whyyyyyy Neillll

[@mnkid25]

Powell and Pressburger's films are my favorites from the first time I saw "Stairway to Heaven" back in High School years.

[@northshoregirl8173]

Thanks for the reco! I watched A Matter of Life and Death on Tubi and it was fantastic! Will be looking for more Powell and Pressburger films.

[@clarestubbs9303]

I LOVE this film and have seen it lots of times. I was thinking a trial scene where one of them has to make a sacrifice to save the other even before I watched this video, and now I am certain of it. I think that Azi will sacrifice his life and then be resurrected, with the references to the Resurrectionist and also the miracles being measured by Lazuri "number if people that can be brought back from the dead". I hadn't noticed the lack of colour in Heaven in both movies, or the clock (remember how we hear the clock ticking all the way through the final 15?) so that is interesting. Brilliant video, thank you Sendarya! I love hearing new theories, it's my favourite thing! Off to watch "A matter of life and death" again! Edit: Just watched it, I wonder whether that quote will be used in season 3? "There is nothing in the universe more powerful than law, but there is nothing on Earth more powerful than love. ❤❤

[@ruthannadamsky9728]

I watched "A Matter of Life and Death" last night. Wow! And what a lot of season 3 possibilities!

[@rachelmacnair8865]

This is my take: I've long thought that the whole angels and demons thing came from the transition of polytheism to monotheism - it's a polytheistic holdover, An advantage of polytheism is that it's a match with the world we're in. Rotten things happen? Then the gods were angry. Probably for petty and stupid reasons, but then, the gods are petty and stupid beings. Once monotheism comes in, one God that's all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, and then the world we have? Mismatch. Technically, theodicy. But you can use the polytheistic reasoning within monotheism by having angels and demons, and using that sense of many divine beings in conflict to get you the mess of the world we have. But then this leads to another major problem: As Crowley observes early in S2E1, the angels and demons system is all pointless. But what I see is that GO has a brilliant approach to the theodicy problem. Crowley has by far the best moral character of all demons and Aziraphale has by far the best moral character of all angels. A low bar in both cases, but the point is that it's their interactions with humans that lead to that. Interactions that other angels and demons are missing and are clueless about. And Adam Young turned off his antichrist destiny because he was human - Aziraphale said it outright when they were winged in the clouds. Much as Shax talks of us humans coming up with worse things than demons do and Crowley talks of our beating him to the Spanish Inquisition and WWII, we also can see in this series that being human can mean having compassion and building strong moral character in a way not just the demons but also the angels don't seem to be able to manage.

[@sledgehammer-productions]

Well, watching this video took me 2 hours, as I watched "Stairway to Heaven" at about 90 seconds in 😀. A few days ago I watched "The Omen", where quite a lot of references were taken from (I got that from "7th hour films" reacting to Good Omens).

[@Sendarya]

What a fun movie-a-thon! Thank you for coming back to watch the video, too :)

[@chickwithbricks]

Sigh, ok, fine, I'll watch the movie. The trouble with liking media that goes deep is my need to get the references.

[@leslieshepherd9045]

I’m going to watch the movie, but I think saying that love is what rules on Earth, I think they will be together on Earth and I think they may just be human in the end, left alone to spend time together, like the couple in this movie, God is narrating this story, God knows the ineffable plan, it’s ineffable like love is, and very human, one could argue THE most human thing

[@auntiepanpan]

So i went to Tubi and the movie was not available...HOWEVER! I look up David Niven films and guess what popped up? (Wait for it...) 'A Nightingale sang in Berkeley Square.' Ummmmmmmmmm Coincidence?!? I think not.

[@EasyEnglishPROF]

This post has not got much to do with this video, but I had to tell somebody this idea of mine. The more I think of it, the more I am convinced that the Metatron has chosen coffee for Az and Death for Crowley, who is in fact left alone with the angel of death in the shop. She wants to get both (she has witnessed their kiss from outside the window), but Crowley tells her that us doesn't include her. So Crowley will ideally die. He's always been the sacrifical victim, after all. Maybe a Jesus who didn't want to drink the cup. He may possibly resurrect, but at a price. I still can't fathom what Az will be able to do about it. The bitterest sorrow is that of who remains behind. Unrequited love lasts forever.

[@Sendarya]

Interesting ideas. Are you saying Muriel is the angel of death? And that Aziraphale does not love Crowley in return?

[@EasyEnglishPROF]

@@Sendarya I envision Death as a naïve angel, an innocent tool servicing destiny, or God, with no say in it, candidly accompanying her victims Away Crow Road. Besides, Myrrh was used to embalm mummies in ancient Egypt because of its scent, and Neil did say that Muriel is perfumed. Oh, no, Aziraphel does love his Demon. Unrequited love will befall both, in turns. I do not see them together in a traditional way. However, there might be a form of togetherness at a higher level. They will not give up on each other so easily. But someone will have to be rescued. In the end, Good Omens is all about the power and helplessness of love, and so will be season 3.

[@IberianGeek]

​@@EasyEnglishPROFOn Lucifer, his sister Azrael (The Angel of Death) is a sweet nerd girl. So yeah! Why not? Maybe not Muriel in this case, but someone similar. And on The Sandman, Death is also a sweet girl.

[@marzettik]

First thoughts...only 12 minutes?, NOOOOOO, give me more, lol. ❤ Team Love! Though with Aziraphale strong sense of justice, we could get a curve ball. Or maybe they'll pull a s1 finally...the return of the rubber duck. 😂 The parallels are strong. Isn't it ironic of them to be "repeating the past" as compared to the movie?

[@Sendarya]

Ha! Sorry, sometimes I just have less to say on a subject, though I probably could ramble on for longer, lol. The return of the rubber duck 😂 And yes, it is a bit ironic!

[@Miriam-eb2iu]

Wow, how can one think of all of this and have it put together so perfectly !? a) Neil Gaiman is really an absolute, nearly supernatural genius or b) unbelievably lucky that everything falls into place like that with the things that are already there!

[@lawdeedaw0803]

I just LOVE your videos. I enjoyed both seasons of GO, but your deep-dive videos make me love GO in all its complexity!

[@alinakirs]

My view is, we already saw Crowley coming to Heaven by his own will by an elevator, witnessing a trial there (even if only as a playback), then coming back to Earth to Aziraphale. I see "A Matter of Life on Death" as a clue to season 2, already used. It might not foreshadow anything in season 3, actually.

[@Sendarya]

That could be! Most of the "clues" could be for season 2, more than season 3.

[@prestontaylor3154]

Except for Muriel. too.

[@jedikatalina]

I think that the thought that it was Aziraphale's identity as an angel that was holding him back from happiness is idiocy.

[@Sendarya]

Well, tell me what you think it is, then? I'm very curious!

[@hfriedman]

…”Mavity”…💙💙🤣

[@AmyHeidman]

I’ll have to watch that movie! You’ve brought up one thing that I don’t understand: the blurb describing season 3. “The plans for Armageddon are going wrong. Only Crowley and Aziraphale working together can hope to put it right.” Doesn’t that mean that they’re trying to START Armageddon? Or Aziraphale is and is trying to get Crowley to help him?

[@Sendarya]

It is quite confusingly written, and it does seem like they would want the plans to go wrong. I don't know why it's written that way!

[@victoriar4637]

Thanks for this, it's brilliant and thought provoking 🌟🌈💖I'd love it if Aziraphale brings down the system. If he ditches that part of his belief system which attaches him to heaven, I think it would balance him much more with Crowley, and would ensure they can be together ❤

[@FlatSatire]

This is GREAT. I don't know if I would have ever known about Powell and Pressburger films without Good Omens. I watched A Matter of Life and Death as soon as you recommended it. It was very interesting and I could see so many connections. Thank you!

[@abbygailgaudette5253]

I wish I could watch this but I'm in math class. Someone please reply to remind me to watch this later

[@Sendarya]

Done with math today? Time to watch the movie!

[@abbygailgaudette5253]

@@Sendarya oh thanks for the reminder!

[@ericamacs3875]

I wonder why they'd use American posters? I didn't even know it had a different name in the US I do like the film a lot, it's very weird. That one scene where they're playing table tennis.. I hadn't thought of references to this film but it makes sense, and I hope we do see a trial, I hope a flashback to Crowley's trial as there are so many questions about his fall. And his lack of certain memories.

[@elimgarak7090]

Has it been a year already? I'll go watch the movie and compare notes!

[@TimeLadyChristi]

Such a great video. I’m not crying you are lol

[@lisavalentine8877]

Well, now I MUST see the movie!

[@ehg_in_hell]

9 mins ago!? YIPPEEEEE!

[@eyjayy]

more fuel for my impression they may end up human...

[@Sendarya]

It certainly is possible. The more I think on it, the more possible it seems.

[@clarestubbs9303]

Nooooo. I hope not! They have been pining fo each other for 6000 years, then they finally get to be together before being separated by death after a few decades? Unless they get eternity together in Heaven after they die, like in "Memories of Eden" I want them to get eternal lives on Earth for as long as it survives. 😢

[@graziacavasino8884]

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to access Tubi from my country.

[@elimgarak7090]

I think it might be geolocked for me. I go to the website, but it says that film is not available.

[@graziacavasino8884]

@@elimgarak7090 why do you say that to ME? I've got the same problem.

[@elimgarak7090]

@@graziacavasino8884 I say it to you because you said you had the same problem that I do. My comment is relevant to yours.

[@graziacavasino8884]

@@elimgarak7090 so what can I do?

[@graziacavasino8884]

@@elimgarak7090 it would be relevant IF I could do something about it, but I can't.

[@proximashining776]

Aziraphale and Crowley were already on trial at the end of season 1. To have another trial for basically the same reason would be too repetitive, so probably not. I can see a sacrifice or some grand gesture or declaration. Most likely on Azi's side, as Crowley already made his move. I can imagine season 3 ending with God and Satan going away on a lengthy vacation (or forever) and Aziraphale and Crowley being put in charge of Heaven and Hell respectively. Their jobs would keep them apart but they would be able to make their own rules, so that no one could protest against them being a couple. They could live together on Earth and commute to Heaven/Hell for work.

[@barbarabenoit3667]

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[@lisa_wistfulone7957]

ANOTHER old classic movie with a similar plot! I’ll definitely check it out! I’m newer to the fandom (didn’t have access to GO), so I’m anything but ‘quiet’ about it all. And your channel has given me so many deep dives to investigate and rabbit holes to get lost in- Thank you!! 🖤🩶🤍

[@Sendarya]

I'm so glad, and welcome to the fandom!

[@lisa_wistfulone7957]

@@Sendarya I watched this amazing movie last night, and coincidentally tonight read the Google docs essay by Ariaste about “The Magic Trick You Didn’t See,” and the confluence of the two lit up my brain like Times Square on a summer night!! I loved the creative beautiful weirdness of the movie, and was speculating about parallels and clues, likely to Crowley… but when I read the “Magic Trick” essay tonight, I realized- Aziraphale is Peter! PETER BELIEVES HIS EXPERIENCE IS REAL. But Dr. Reeves says it isn’t, that it’s a medical condition. We’re shown that the heavenly judge is actually Peter’s surgeon. June doesn’t seem to remember the fantastical events, even as a dream. And all the statues on the heavenly stairway, according to the Wikipedia on the movie, are famous people with neurological conditions, supporting that Peter IS actually having medical hallucinations, not reality. What if Neil’s reason for connecting this movie to GO is that some of S2, that Aziraphale believes is real, ISN’T? Like the magic trick theory essay? It had caught my attention and caused much consternation that Aziraphale (in the Final 15) said 3 particularly non-Aziraphale-like things to Crowley: (1) “Obviously you said no to Hell, YOU’RE the BAD GUYS.” ???? Pardon my expression, but there’s No Way in He!! that any amount of psychological manipulation or threat would make Aziraphale say THAT to Crowley… He does NOT actually see Crowley as one of the bad guys. The cognitive dissonance he’d feel would make him unable to sell it, even if he was pushing Crowley away to protect him from the Metatron. (2) “You can be my second-in-command”?? Why the sudden regression to “angels are better than reformed demons?” Why not, “We can do it together, and let them think what they like”? (3) And, really, why would Aziraphale need to highlight that “quaint human expression” of ‘hold that thought’ as if it was fairly new to both of them? They’ve both been around modern humans too long, they’ve probably heard it dozens of times. (But the Metatron hasn’t…) But… if the Metatron is messing with his memories, through the Book of Life, Aziraphale would be like an inverse of Peter. The B-side of the album, the sad song to Peter’s happy one. Peter believed a “realistic” unreal experience that saved his relationship; Aziraphale believes a “realistic” unreal experience that is destroying his. Peter fought with all his mind and will and strength to stay with his beloved. We know that Aziraphale would too. Unless someone is interfering. And maybe memory changes are the interference. What if… what if the reason Crowley so significantly says, “You can’t leave the bookshop” is because of all those journals Aziraphale has been keeping? What if, like in the book/movie “The Notebook,” Crowley has been helping Aziraphale hold onto his true memories through those journals? (I’m branching out from the Google docs essay now with my own ideas here lol) What if the reason Aziraphale backs away from the Metatron (after M re-enters so coolly), looks around frantically at the bookshop as if he wishes he could grab something important, and asks plaintively what will happen to the shop (whew! Pardon the run-on!) What if it’s because he realizes that reality is becoming confusing again and he sort of remembers that something here would help him sort it out? What if when Crowley says, “I understand better than you do,” it’s because he knows and remembers this time, he knows what is going on, and knows that Aziraphale isn’t to blame for what he’s saying (as much as it hurts!) because it’s the Metatron’s rewrite coming out of Aziraphale’s mouth?? But the Metatron is playing a chess game that’s a Matter of Life and Death. He tricks Aziraphale into taking the Stairway/Elevator to Heaven, like the Conductor that keeps trying to trick Peter. Ohhh… Does that set Crowley up to be June, ready to sacrifice their own life to save their beloved…?💔 Or is he the Doctor (David Tennant, the Doctor!? 😅), the opponent in the chess match, using all his wits to outmaneuver his opponent? I’m going to see if I can find any other old books or classic movies referenced in GO (in the opening, maybe?) that are about someone losing their memory, and perhaps being reminded somehow. You’re welcome to run with this too, if you think there’s anything to it! Sorry for the long essay- I hope you find my response! I love how you research connections, and it’s inspired me to take some deep investigative dives too. I have a particularly involved one I’d also like to share with you, about the Angelic Playlist and the 12 pages of song research and connections I found, including another old movie! Maybe through the Discord (if I could figure out how lol)?

[@lisa_wistfulone7957]

@@Sendarya Hi, I watched the brilliant movie a few nights ago, and had an inspiration about how it might connect. I went overboard last night writing waaay too long of a comment here to tell you my theory. But it’s gone now… (If I was onto something, it would have been very spoiler-y, though I didn’t mean it to be!) I’m wondering if you took it down, or if the powers that be did? If I overstepped, I apologize🥺