Google Nest WiFi Setup + Wired Backhaul

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In this video we setup the Google Nest WiFi router, plus I add a second "router" as a mesh point and attempt to use a wired backhaul rather than the standard wireless point system. This can only be done using multiple "Nest Routers" and cannot be done using the "Nest Points" that are secondary to routers and do not have wired capabilities.
Also, for the best results, follow the filling instructions for Wired Backhaul.
1. Setup initial primary router
2. Start setup of second router next to primary router wirelessly first.
3. Once setup is complete, take the second router to your desired location and plug in LAN connection and power up.
4. Once on, go into Home app and run a connection test.
5. Enjoy awesome WiFi!
Enjoy the video, and stay tuned for the full review.
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[@jeffcivil9090]

How do you have both wired in??

[@456diablo2112]

If the google Home app says your connection is "good" then it's NOT using the wired backhaul. I have a 5-node mesh in our home, all with wired backhaul, and the Google Home app reports the connections as "great". I'd really check this on your end. With what's shown in the video, the wired backhaul doesn't appear to be operational.

[@OliverStonesUK]

I was thinking the same

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Ok, so what do you do differently to make sure it uses the wired connection?

[@ncvman]

How do know it’s using her wired not WiFi?

[@RayMyers-l7z]

Did you put a switch between your Nest Pro Router and your second Nest Pro Router? I need a total of four Nest Pro's in my home to have adequate coverage, the first one will sit next to my T-Mobile Gateway and from there I have home runs of cat6E to three locations spread out in my home. The Nest Pro only has one port - thus, can I utilize a switch?

[@DJaquithFL]

I sure as the hell would not consider Nest Wi-Fi as ethernet backhaul .. especially since the only way to Jerry-rig it together is to use two or more full routers, and not as they are packaged to be sold. Instead the way they're sold "Nest Wifi router and 1 or 2 points" which absolutely does not support ethernet backhaul .. only Wi-Fi backhaul is supported. Also some companies only allow one AP to be used as ethernet backhaul AP mesh. So you've got to read the fine print. Instead I would recommend something like Linksys Velop, others or more to my liking products from UniFi.

[@vidalrica6524]

This things really don't like to be wired. I have 6 of them, as soon as I plug in the third one, the whole network becomes not reliable. Trying to sell these things and get a velop system.

[@marksapollo]

I got an Ethernet cable to connect my mesh points up. I have 2 eero Pro 6 units but have been having issues with them. Anyway I tested them with Ethernet backhaul and they run very good, so I plugged in my old original Google WiFi pucks using Ethernet backhaul and got consistently better pings then in the Eero's! I am seriously thinking of going back to Google WiFi permanently now. They perform brilliantly for me.

[@christopherweeks842]

Backhaul doesnt seem to work, and worse, wired traffic on same switch will go over the wifi mesh, not wired. I have my nest router with a switch downstream, i have multiple computers off that switch, and another nest router in mesh mode. When pinging the gateway IP, i get fluctating ping times usually like 5ms to 30ms, once i disconnect the mesh router acting as a point, my pings drop for a few seconds, then come back at 1ms or less. Even though the wired computers have a physical link to the main nest router, it is actually having all traffic go over the wifi mesh instead.

[@christopherweeks842]

so... got it to work, i had a netgear routers just bridge with wifi shut off as the first switch, then a second switch off that for my wired office devices and the Mesh router setup as a point. Was googling more and saw someone mention Spanning Tree, didnt find any option in the netgear about it, normally something more on managed and enterprise switches, but i decided to just use a 3rd switch i had in its place, and it worked. Pings off the my wired computer are now 1ms or less, if i disconnected the link to the main switch, my ping times do jump up to 5 to 30ms again, then when i plug the link back in, it takes that route and goes back to 1ms. So, looks like it does work now, and was just that netgear doing some loop blocking most likely.

[@azim1961]

My point is now blinking yellow.. its so frustrating 😵☹️😤😤😤

[@TheMainezetetic]

Ha - I almost smashed mine with a hammer 😂

[@thuggy67]

Can i connect a ac1200 google mesh to the 2200ac?

[@michaelj8460]

If a three story house would you add a third for the third floor? All wired?

[@AndresK5Blazer]

Dumb question: How is it possible to know that a Mesh network was created between those 2 bases and not 2 ordinary Wi-Fi networks.

[@TrexKN]

Basically, if it were two networks, your devices would see them as two networks, even if they had the same name. So your device would remain connected to the weaker signal, unless it completely disconnected. This means your signal would either be poor or have to be manually switched. This would also mean moments without connection, when it switched. A mesh network should be seamless in comparison.

[@nirhaber6149]

So with mesh systems in general i just have to connect every unit directly to the modem itself for best results?

[@773soccer]

No, you connect each additional unit to the primary unit, not the modem.

[@nirhaber6149]

@@773soccer oh

[@stuckinamomentt]

@@773soccer what do you mean by primary unit?

[@773soccer]

@@stuckinamomentt The unit that connects to the modem

[@cl88888]

Great video! BTW, have you tried connecting a device wireless to the secondary wired Google Nest WiFi and do speed test? I'm curious what your WiFi speed is coming from the 2nd wired Google Nest WiFi. I have similar setup all my Google WiFis are wired but I don't know why on the 2nd and 3rd points, I only got 50% WiFi speed of what I pay for.

[@TechOut]

Check your title you mistyped backhaul

[@GeekSmart]

Haha...thanks! Didn’t see the typo! Funny part is it doesn’t show on the App after the B so I didn’t see it.

[@garoldadams922]

I have three with wired backhaul. Modem -> Primary Router -> switch -> then to each secondary router from the switch. You need to set it up wirelessly first with secondaries in close proximity to primary. Then relocate secondaries to perm location with wired (Ethernet) connection and then restart everything. I found it will not recognize the wire connection to the secondary routers until you must run a mesh test again.

[@TheMainezetetic]

I’ll try that - couldn’t get past a wireless connection that is crappy !

[@WarrenRunk]

Thanks for the video, I confirmed this setup still works last night. A few additions that might help others: - I set up the second nest wifi router completely wirelessly (without wired ethernet back haul) to start - Confirmed a few devices were properly connecting to the new router when it was very close by, ran some speed tests, etc (toggling wifi on the devices helps it find the new router) - Then I unplugged the new router, attached the ethernet cable to the WAN (globe logo), plugged back in power) - Confirmed things again, ran more speed tests, ping decreased by about 5ms for me (debatable whether or not it's worth the trouble to wire in my case lol) - You can confirm your new router is properly configured as wired by opening Google Home app -> wifi -> wifi devices -> tap the new one you just installed -> tap wheel icon top right -> mid way down under wi-fi information it should show "Connection type: Wired" if all is setup properly (otherwise it will show "Connection type: Mesh") Good luck

[@bcisalman]

You saved me from a days worth of frustration. Apparently with the new Nest Wi-Fi Pro if you set the points up wirelessly and then plug in Ethernet it’ll stay wireless. I had to factory reset while wired and when I re-set them up it showed up as Wired and spreads were representative of what I pay for.

[@abdullahakova7043]

Does the Ethernet cable that goes into your router ‘point’ come from the first nest router ?

[@WarrenRunk]

@@abdullahakova7043 essentially yes but it can also be plugged into a smart switch that is connected to the main router

[@banjoplayingidiot]

I have the Google Nest Wifi Pro but it's a bit confusing. My Google Home app says: Connection type: Connected to power grid (translated from my language) Is that supposed to be the same as "wired" or is the translation from english to my language in the app just poor?

[@WarrenRunk]

@@banjoplayingidiot you might need to see what it says when you remove the wire for a while. If it changes when you plug the cable in you should be good. Also try some speed tests, latency should decrease on wired

[@bryanwheat4978]

I am trying to understand backhaul. Does this mean when you move it across the house you're just connecting to Ethernet from the wall? Or do you have to have a very extended cord running through the house? Sorry if this is super basic

[@GeekSmart]

Backhaul is the connection between 2 mesh points. This can be wireless (most people use this as it is easier) or wired. Wired can be exposed or in wall wiring. If your home was wired with ethernet, you can just plug one end of the cable into each mesh point to wire them together.

[@Shadarif1901]

@@GeekSmart Can you elaborate on this? My parents are moving into a very large home and property soon and we are planning on running 3 Nest Wifi Routers (for now). The home is wired with ethernet. How can I go about this? Any help is greatly appreciated!

[@cap706]

@@Shadarif1901 basically, he is saying that any home wired with ethernet will have a switch that those ethernet cables terminate to. You plug your modem directly into 1st nest router's internet WAN port (has a world symbol), then run a 2nd ethernet cable from the other port into the port on the switch that leads to the room where you would like to place the 2nd router. Take the 2nd router to that room and plug into the ethernet port on the wall. Run your setup thru the app & you're all set

[@ShadowFyre6]

@@cap706 I'm assuming small homes have just one switch that all the ethernet ports lead back to. Im assuming it's not just good enough for them all to lead to the same switch? The way it's explained makes it sound as if being hooked up to the same switch isn't what it means.

[@cap706]

@@ShadowFyre6 Yes, in a home environment, all you should ever need is one switch. But, if your switch doesn't have enough ports for all your ethernet cables, you can get one that does or you can add an additional switch. for example, I have a Google nest wifi system with one port that runs to a 24 port switch. My home has ethernet ports running to each of 5 bedrooms, 4 to the office, 2 to gym, 2 to the bar, & 4 in the theater, a camera system & 5 nest wifi devices to cover whole home all on 1 switch. I have a friend who has an 8 port switch near his modem running to 4 port switches in multiple rooms in his home and has only 1 wireless router. So there are many possibilities.

[@Goessbry]

Ok so I’m new to this and I have 2 of the routers and I have them wireless right now but would like one of them to be wired to my pc a couple rooms away. So if I understand right I just have to do everything the same then connect the Ethernet cable from the router to my pc?

[@TJ-22]

Did this set up work for you? Plug in your Google Wi-Fi access point directly into your pc?

[@Goessbry]

@@TJ-22 yeah it works, helps with lag and stuff to

[@apb5225]

I am wondering about the gigabit port and connecting it to a multi-port switch to connect multiple devices via a gigabit hardwired connection. Does the Google Home app show hardwire devices individually like it does the WiFi connect devices?

[@Clarkzer0]

Yes, it does, and will tell you what router/point it was last connected to/is currently connected to, and if it is a wired or wireless (2.4 / 5ghz) device.

[@pratheepjar]

Can this google mesh wifi router compatibilie with just modem or modem router combo?? I have a modem router together n accidentally ordered this google nest router mesh 4 pack - so will this work for me?? My modem also has a router n my google is a router mesh !! So i m concerned if this will work - if not ill return this n buy a orbi mesh pack alone pls help

[@GeekSmart]

Yes, just disable the built in router in the modem and use the Google Nest WiFi instead!

[@TheTubeade]

Does the second router have to be wired or to the first nest router or can it be wireless

[@aaronchen4841]

Wireless

[@claddagh60]

Did you try the second router as just a wireless point? If so, does it perform as well as a typical Nest point?

[@rodrigofernety]

wondering the same

[@MrBill99]

Real world set up with real world problems. Thanks. What is the advantage of use routers as access points rather than the Google "wifi points" ?

[@liamburns2568]

The points can’t connect over Ethernet, so when you put a second router far away from the original Ethernet will handle the distance better than WiFi. The points also have a built in google assistant so if you’re paranoid about listening devices just stick to routers if you can find them at a reasonable price.

[@001vikingsfan]

Or, Google Wifi, not Nest Wifi Access Points, also work for wired backhaul.

[@Spiderprints]

Did you ever get a third nest router and add it to your network? You mentioned it in the video, but I don't see a new video. Did I miss seeing in your list of vidoes?

[@Misfitswitch]

I don’t get why everyone keeps calling these things routers they’re not their nodes. Routers annual your nat and ports and IP addresses.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

These units are actually routers which is why they only come with one in the box.

[@isabelsablan7534]

This isn't set up as a wired backhaul, otherwise at 10:35 it wouldn't say "Good" connection it should be "Great" connection or better.

[@GeekSmart]

Interesting, since it is not in wireless range of the other unit.

[@zeroturn7091]

I have a combination of 2 Google WiFi and 3 OnHubs that worked perfectly with Ethernet backhaul on the Google WIFI app. Now that it is being phased out for Google Home, I am getting weak connections on my wired satellite units.

[@09_jamie_09]

i connected a ethernet cable and it does not work sooo

[@GeekSmart]

Explain what you did. Did you set them up fully wirelessly prior to wiring them together?

[@sprocketdog6303]

Why are you out of breath the whole time?

[@BBQ-hj3sj]

i used to have one its in my dad's office

[@toneloc79]

I didn't know google nest wifi new ones had hard wired

[@GeekSmart]

The points do not, only the routers, so you have to purchase multiple routers to do wired backhaul.

[@AnshulGuptas]

Did you test internet speed on your phone connected to point, when mesh is wired or wireless?

[@GeekSmart]

I will be for the review. This is just the setup video. I now have a third router wireless so I can see the difference.

[@MarkWaltham]

Thanks for the video. I don't think you showed on the video, but did you connect the second point to the first Google WiFi or to the modem (presuming the former)? When you add your third point, are there enough network ports on the router?

[@GeekSmart]

Second unit was connected to the first google router

[@nelgm]

@@GeekSmart thanks for video, does wired backhaul use WAN or LAN port on router #2? I thought it's WAN and then use the LAN for other devices (preferably with switch since only 1 LAN port).

[@JWG2014]

no - Good is not wired - good is a wifi description, .. nothing you did showed you were connecting with the wire. You may be physically connected but nothing shows that you are passing data or if they support backhaul. The screens you did were the same if they were wireless. The Google Nest specs do mention backhaul but as a dedicated wireless channel. I dont think you accomplished what you think you did.

[@SkepticCyclist]

If it was meshing via WiFi he would only get half the speed on the secondary router at best

[@JWG2014]

@@SkepticCyclist agreed but he did not mess with the wire. The connection speed is a description of wifi. Whike a wire was connected, i dont think it was passing data

[@SkepticCyclist]

@@JWG2014 He did have it wired though. That connect speed was because it was wired. WiFi only connection would always have a drop in WiFi throughput speed on the secondary point.

[@JWG2014]

@@SkepticCyclist I know it was physically connected but no part of that video showed the data was taking that path. Connection "good" I'd a wifi description. Wired it would be 1000gb full duplex. Those devices were designed to be wireless messed. There is nothing in the documentation that say anything about a central controller or controlling node. I like to see him do a trace route. I would bet it was show one of the other nodes in the route. The only way to prove it us working would be to review the route taken.

[@MolotovMan1263]

You are right, I have mine wirless right now with a “Great” connection rating. Its based on bandwidth of the mesh. The documentation says to set up wireless first, then connect the wired backhaul. I dont think he did this. The older Google Wifi app can show you the speed of the mesh, the Home app does not. Id be curious what the old app would say

[@dr.arnoldbenitez5642]

GeekSmart, I just got the new eero Pro 6 tri-band To replaced my eero pro, I have Spectrum 400 internet, I have cat 6 running to all my other room, by replacing the eero pro with the New eero pro 6 tri-band, will I get the same speed to all my other rooms with my Netgear switch connecting to all the other rooms.

[@Mikecounselling]

My WiFi router is in a cupboard but I would like to use the first WiFi nest as a speak also. Can I extend the wire outside of the cupboard so the nest is in the main room and it'll still works as it would of right next to router?

[@natashacole3533]

Thanks for the video. Is there any way to achieve this with just one next wifi router at the end of your Ethernet cable, keeping your current router?

[@mohamed.52]

Google has to address all these issues . I can’t imagine some not savvy person doing it with ease.

[@alfageek53]

Adding an instruction booklet with the router with diagrams and step-by-step installation would be nice. Did they not think anyone would add the second router?

[@davem45]

You might want to blur your home address

[@GeekSmart]

Must have missed that one!

[@mohamed.52]

I had so many issues identical to you. Still know what I did wrong to deserve all that pain.

[@alexisramosrojas454]

What ethernet switch brand are you using to connect to the main nest router?

[@pacocaballerogirol1187]

Do you know if previous version of Google WiFi mesh (it has no speaker and different appearance) works too with wired backhaul? Thanks for your video!

[@GeekSmart]

I believe it does.

[@movakalin5333]

It didn’t work for me. I have Google WiFi.

[@Watch4Me]

Previous google wifi also works wired.

[@zeroturn7091]

It did until Google decided to phase out the WiFi app for the Home app. I get a weak connection on all of my wired units now.

[@KrisTangtam]

The gen 1 Google WiFi would actually tell you if you mesh points were wired or wireless

[@GeekSmart]

Yeah, it’s too bad they didn’t keep that

[@davidv7403]

@@GeekSmart If you download the Google Wifi app, it is more detailed, and it tells you that.

[@zeroturn7091]

Can confirm that, and that app has been deprecated in favor of Google Home.

[@nick7597]

I noticed you mentioned a switch. Is it a managed/unmanaged switch? Is a switch even necessary? Also, is this how you connected your ethernet wires?: Modem to router #1, router #1 to switch, then switch to router #2? Thanks for any replies!

[@GeekSmart]

I use a switch since I have several hard wired devices. If you were mainly doing wireless, then you would not need a switch

[@GeekSmart]

Yes, that is how I have it setup.

[@jeffschulte8278]

So if an additional router was added to the mesh then it would be: Modem to router #1, router #1 to switch, switch to router #2, and switch to router #3?

[@josephlemons]

Would never buy used WiFi gear, never know what someone has done to the device

[@GeekSmart]

I go through it pretty well and reset the entire device. I’m not too worried.

[@isabelsablan7534]

such a nasaly voice

[@GeekSmart]

Yes, I have nasal polyps

[@zeroturn7091]

@@GeekSmart Turbinate Hypertrophy Gang in the building