Google Stadia - Is Cloud Gaming For Real? - Extra Credits

[@extrahistory]

What's YOUR take on Stadia?

[@sannelohuis2958]

I am not sure about it. 60 fps and highresolution? On the internet?

[@dylanbrito727]

Might be a good thing

[@iliakaikaci]

I think it's very good and inovational. I hope it will work in some years

[@JamesWilson-px9dh]

Maybe? There are so many things that need to work and if any of them go wrong it's all for nothing. Even if it works there are caveats, like said latency and infrastructure.

[@rasho2532]

It will fail cause almost no one has the connection to stream 4k

[@Cyfrik]

This _terrifies_ me. Like, seriously, if this is widely adopted, it could create huge issues. A topic that was mentioned in passing in the video, which I think should be focused on a lot more is *preservation.* I mean, we've seen before how games that depend on a central server have a tendency to get shut down a year or two after release, becoming impossible to ever play again. If games in general were to become a streaming service, in the vein of Netflix, that kind of stuff would happen on an even larger scale. (To continue the Netflix comparison, keep in mind how they have a tendency to make certain movies and shows unavailable after a while.) Like, people are already complaining about modern games having unfair DRM. This is going to be so. much. worse. If games are to be taken seriously as an art form, we need to be able to preserve them for future generations. Having them depend on external servers to work makes that impossible.

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

Other options will always exist. Steam will always exist. This doesn't kill anything, it only provides more options.

[@dynamicworlds1]

To say nothing about the whole issue of Google getting frighteningly huge that looms over all news about them.

[@Inogat]

I know right, what if I want to experience WildStar or Warhammer Online Age of Reckoning just as a single player, no way to do that, no official ways at least and even the unofficial are not super efficient. To me it's a huge issue already. I wish MMOs when they died released a single player version. Make us pay for it I don't mind but make it happen. They don't even need to tweak the numbers, players would figure out way to balance it etc as long as it's available.

[@urby000]

This is a pretty big problem on steam already, where many games simply refuse to function without steam authentication, so if steam one day goes under or something else happens, that game will literaly become unplayable(pretty much most games on steam that aren't cracked). Many game developers/publishers are also really pushing this via "online only play", meaning if they decide to shut down their central server, bye bye gameplay. it's one of the many reasons why i'm very supportive of a company like nintendo, while some of their games lose functionality once the online mode for a system(DS) gets shutdown, they game is still very much playable, you have a cartridge of it, and you can pop a 30y old game in it's system and just play within the minute.

[@Darth_Bateman]

So I wasn't the only one who thought of this.

[@sonictimm]

5:00 "How modding is going to work.." It won't. Could you imagine if Spotify let you remix songs you've purchased? Or if Netflix let you export video clips to make memes? ... Enjoy thinking about that. Lawyers don't.

[@natetuimaseve7426]

Except your wrong?

[@taragnor]

Yeah modding would be dead. Do you think google wants to let people install custom modding software onto their data centers? That'd open a ton of security vulnerabilities.

[@ironpro7217]

@@natetuimaseve7426 I'm sure google will let an unauthorised person plug an unknown USB into their data centres to upload their 'skyrim mod' (definitely not some kind of malware that will cause millions of dollars of damage)

[@nomobobby]

Yeah, Vanilla only games is a real buzzkill. There's a lot of sandbox games like mine craft that I would not play on there service without them. Many other games get a lot of extra playtime out of them.

[@propoppop9866]

You could if you gave everyone their own exe

[@kevinkerkhoff6670]

The preservation aspect is the main reason why I will never use such a service. I want to be able to play my game in twenty years from now.

[@nolanjshettle]

like many others here, you're confusing "using" such a service with "completely replacing my current practice of buying and downloading games with streaming them and never buying and downloading anything ever again"

[@Lugmillord]

Bad connection + latency = I'm not sold right now.

[@pirateboss1128]

Parsec is the same thing it's nothing new

[@lewesc]

Yep. Within the short to medium term I think the best people can reasonably hope for is that the service has less input lag than existing offerings and opens up more types of games that feel reasonable to play on a streaming service. You're not going to get CoD, Apex or Darksouls - but you might get Overcooked to a playable state.

[@taragnor]

@@lewesc Yeah, and FPS and other real-time action games are the most popular out there. Just can't see many people buying a gaming service that doesn't do FPS.

[@senshi01]

latency won't be a problem.

[@nidohime6233]

Also lack of games, a console without games is a dead console.

[@Nes_Cartridge]

Anytime I see Stadia, all I can think of are all the digital only games that have vanished for one reason or another, never to be seen again (Scott Pilgrim, P.T., etc)

[@jenkins_onpiano]

NES yes!! And Scott pilgrim was such a great game

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Is there no way to play Scott Pilgrim anymore?

[@Ultranist]

@@SomeFreakingCactus yeah through rpcs3 emulator

[@9seed.]

Stadia will guarantee that game preservation dies.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

@@9seed. I feel like there are a lot of game companies that are perfectly fine with that concept and this annoys me to no end.

[@qwertyman1511]

make sure you don't own anything and keep paying us for the privilege.

[@qwertyman1511]

@Kristofer Quem? do i want to own Sex and the City 2? no. do i want to own the Witcher or Pokémon, hell yes. i will only use the first once(maybe) and the second one for months or years. the cost of playing bought, non-service games is flat and therefore lends itself to longterm ownership and enjoyment. the cost of renting a library for a limited lends it self to a brief experience and will at best be fleeting.

[@CornishCreamtea07]

@Kristofer Quem? Sort of, but at least you can still download a movie via over sources, you can not do that with a game that is being streamed to you.

[@LordBaldur]

Kristofer Quem? Games are a different form of media from movies. You cannot mod a streaming service.

[@qwertyman1511]

@@LordBaldur you can, sometimes. but you are not allowed to do all mods, like mods with questionable IP law (cough cough thomas tank engine cough cough)

[@LordBaldur]

QWERTY man and that is the problem. Companies don’t like mods. They are too pro-consumer.

[@ivoze1735]

Im not a big fan of the "Always Online" type of deals... Hard Pass, for me at least

[@rattmane]

fallout 76 agrees with you

[@elementallynx493]

IVO ZE Aye.

[@rahmatbanua7009]

IVO ZE agree, sometimes offline games are the nice too

[@pokedude900]

Personally I like owning my games. If I can't hold it in my hands or save it to my hard drive, I'm not paying for it.

[@pokedude900]

@Olivier Goulet Other entertainment mediums are different, though. Preservation isn't a concern for them because they're trivially easy to make copies of (legally or otherwise) and use on almost any device you can think of. You can't pirate a streamed game and save if for the day the servers go down and the only legal option vanishes.

[@pokedude900]

@Olivier Goulet This service seems to primarily be for singleplayer games to begin with. And even multiplayer games can still be preserved if people make their own servers. The Wii's online community still exists, for example.

[@lauraschantz9058]

@Olivier Goulet I still buy CDs and DVD/Blu-ray in 2019. When I get a Kindle book, I go into calibre and make myself a personal EPUB copy without the DRM, in case the book is removed from Amazon's store for any reason at all. It's not what everybody's saying. Redundancy is KEY to keeping your files, and I don't want to relinquish that control to Google of all people.

[@kodaskii5042]

Olivier Goulet There’s far more singleplayer games than there are online, though. RDR 2, Metro Exodus, and practically all indie games.

[@stefanosgeorgiou8828]

Just play fortnite

[@rasho2532]

Sure people of Africa India and Latin America have phones but they don't have the required connection.

[@kennedytheretard975]

i am in south america and i play CS GO competitive and i say, ping is fine at 90-120 then bang! 300 and 5 fps pc is good, internet is expensive, but dammit, for get bad net and 300 ping out of nowhere, sucks alot

[@jascrandom9855]

I live in Asuncion, and i have 20 Mbps (+Cable) for about 80 U$D. At least i won't have to buy an expensive Gaming PC or console to play AAA games.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

I do, thanks VTR (chile)

[@elisraine384]

Why would they even have phones if they didn't have internet

[@rafaelbordoni516]

@@elisraine384 They have internet, just not as good as US or Japanese internet and more expensive.

[@MidwestArtMan]

Oh, Comcast, never change. I’m kidding please change very much.

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

Just remember everyone with a streaming service you can't: Mod said game Keep saved progress if you forget to pay Repurpose art and other game assets (like Ross Scott wants to do) Host dedicated servers Can't play said game without internet connection

[@Ails1234]

Poor Ross is gonna have nightmares over Stadia lol

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

@@Ails1234 no kidding it's going to be like Vietnam PTSD for the man

[@jonnunn4196]

#2 probably won't be an issue; I imagine the default sign up screen asking for a credit card / debit card with the defaults payment settings with both auto-renew and auto-pay on that you'd have to turn off if you didn't want them on. Also imagine if for some reason you turned auto-pay off, the next time you log in whenever there's a balance due a big "pay now" button... And another checkbox on that screen on by default saying "turn on autopay".

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

@@jonnunn4196 still you shouldn't have to pay to keep your save games

[@Spookynoises125]

1,2 & 4 are all possible. 1) You can probably mod in the same way you can with steam workshop. 2) I imagine all save game data would come with like a year backup without paying 4) You could probably use the service to host dedicated servers in the same way you can purchase one online.

[@jacobguillerey4476]

two words : singleplayer games. It would be nice to play when you have no connection right ?

[@Humbird00]

Single-player games make all of this completely redundant. All you need is a CPU, and literally everything has one of those... usually with an integrated GPU as well.

[@fernandobanda5734]

Ummm... Didn't you hear the part about playing on your phone anywhere? Switching from phone to other devices? Not needing any good hardware at all? Many modern games demand a huge investment in a PC, single-player or not.

[@Humbird00]

I dunno, Luigi's Mansion 2 seems to be running pretty nicely. And Mario Odyssey has pretty good framerates.

[@happyguy0105]

Fernando Banda True, but I think you missed OP's point. Stadia streams your game to you, which means you are pretty much screwed out of the games when a) you have bad Internet or b) the games were removed from the servers. Yes the gaming hardware requirement is much lower, but on the other hand the demand for Internet speed/ bandwidth and networking equipment would skyrocket to support the high quality gaming experience back to you. So in the end, you would still need some higher-end equipment to play high quality games, it's just in other parts of your gaming experience

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@happyguy0105 I get the cons, but OP said there was no pros in single-player games, as if game streaming had anything to do with multiplayer.

[@bartz0rt928]

Yay, another thing we won't own anymore! Another thing that'll cost an infinite amount of money, just payed in small increments! Another service where what you can enjoy will be determined by whether a giant corporation deems it sufficiently profitable to keep it available! I've kind of soured on the whole concept of streaming, in case you haven't figured.

[@festethephule7553]

My thought exactly.

[@Humbird00]

This is already the case with digital games. But at least with those, you can hack the console before the end of it's life-cycle and backup everything. So you can, you know... keep what you paid for?

[@Cometpluto]

This is one of those things where it's a matter of "humans are lazy idiots that'll take the easiest route, so get the hell off your high horse and come join us"

[@Humbird00]

Doesn't take much effort to turn on a console. Sure, you COULD push the power button to wake your phone, or you could push the power button to wake your console. They're just boxes with buttons.

[@lucasward9506]

You could probably save enough money to buy a console or pc with the money you would be paying for a cloud gaming service.

[@Derekivery]

Comcast: We're the worst and we don't care Yep that checks out

[@airracer28]

CenturyLink too

[@meatharbor]

Can confirm.

[@icuh]

Basically, your ISP is killing this dream coming true (not possible in NA for sure)

[@tomjackal5708]

i mean, canada is in like,,, a _slightly_ better situation but yea it's prob not gonna work here either

[@tuuudes3449]

@@tomjackal5708 Canada may be better in terms of average speeds in some tests, but our ISPs have been ahead of the curve in implementing terrible restrictions and billing methods. We had data caps on home internet in our major cities before most of the cities in the US did, and if you eliminate the rural parts of each country, Canada is not in any way better than the US in providing internet. Pretty much all of Europe and big parts of East Asia have blasted way ahead of North America in internet infrastructure, and the gap only seems to be getting bigger unless you can afford super expensive high speed connections.

[@martinmagar5148]

How is this any different from streaming Netflix? That seems to be running just fine.

[@icuh]

@@martinmagar5148 I hope you watched the video. The problem isn't much of displaying video medium, it's latency from the input. I honestly thought this video made clear of that. -> 2:00

[@StellaEFZ]

>Not possible for NA I think you meant SOUTH AMERICA

[@yoyofargo]

Stadia is going to be about as successful as google+.

[@jazzfan1994]

Forced down the throats of everyone who wants to use a genuinely popular service?

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Let us hope so.

[@lucasward9506]

I hope so.

[@yoyofargo]

@@jazzfan1994 yup.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

I wouldn't put money on that bet.

[@TymersRealm]

In urban areas with decent infrastructure, maybe... I live in the middle of farmland with a over-the-air, DSL-like net connection. I can barely manage the couple of MMOs I play and modest video streaming. There's no way in hell something like what Google's planning will work out here. Not until better 'net infrastructure is well outside major urban areas.

[@crypticcorvid]

Same, lol. I'll stick to actually owning games I can play offline.

[@justanotheruser6468]

As someone from germany, I dropped tears like rivers, as I am living in a (small, but still) city, and I got 6 mbit/sec download, which isnt even stable, I cant even watch youtube on 720 p all the time

[@Humbird00]

So... I imagine that means Phantasy Star Online then? That MMO worked over a freakin' dial-up modem!

[@kailomonkey]

You didn't address MY main concern (besides internet speed/stability) which is what price models will be like. Getting gaming to poorer regions as suggested in the video won't happen if the prices are extortionate. Once you take away all other options, people who want to play a game will have no choice but to pay whatever the service has set!

[@JohnJRM]

If it's Google we're talking about, the monetary price would probably be pretty lenient, while the cost in personal data would be high. Google makes most of its money through personal data collection that supports advertising and marketing services.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

That's because Google hasn't spilled the beans on that yet. Best bet is maybe an E3 presentation/stream.

[@FamusJamus]

Every time you die you're forced to sit through a 30-second advert. Only partly kidding, some TF2 server owners already do this and give you popups mid-game, while trying their best to make the game unplayable if you disable the function that the ads depend on. And then the ads are so bandwidth-heavy they get you kicked from the server for high-ping anyway.

[@dande3139]

Here's what I want: I want the option to buy a game, and have it "always be mine". I don't want DRM interfering with what I legitimately paid for. I want to be able to play "offline". I want to easily be able to play local multiplayer. Here are the problems with current video streaming services: Movies and TV shows go silently off the air, and I can't revisit them. Only a handful of shows are actually good, and the rest are garbage. Can't watch "offline" (certain streaming services have fixed this). ISP throttling, because companies don't fork over for priority bandwidth. Lack of accessibility to certain shows and movies outside the streaming service. Really, ISPs are the worst. SUPER corrupt. They form regional monopolies. They give bad service and fail to keep their equipment up to date. They nickle & dime you. They regularly increase their prices the longer you've been a customer with them.

[@DLCSpider]

I know I shouldn't complain but can we have an "old school" game design episode? Something like Depth vs Complexity, Negative Possibility Space or Minimum Viable Product.. I miss them :(

[@teenkitsune]

In sorry, but I think getting rid of physical games is a bad idea, having a tangible product out of the box is how we still have the games of yesteryear today, and going away from physical mediums means that was short lived and the games of today won't be playable 20-30 years later. Plus it's just better to have something you can hold forever rather than a bunch of zeroes and ones floating around for a finite number of years.

[@ironsfamily6]

Even Steam I'm more comfortable with then this. At least Steam let's me keep my installs!

[@DensetsuVII]

Frankly I'm surprised they didn't bring up the fundamental ownership issue with streaming - that like with the rise of video streaming services, we're moving toward a model in which you fundamentally don't or can't own the media you engage with. If Stadia did work (and like a lot of people seem to think, it very well may not work) it would hasten a world in which not just physical releases but downloadable releases at all became less common. Lack of mods are just the beginning - think what it would be like to want to play a game and realize stadia's license for it had run out and it's just not available - and if you've been assuming you'll never need a system to play those games on - you may have no recourse at that point. If only because so many have tried before and all that's changed is Google is 'bigger', I feel like the hype for this is overblown. But were it to work, I'm not sure that'd be entirely good. So maybe all is well with the gaming world after all...

[@DJDavid98]

Fun fact: People don't even own games on Steam, since as per their ToS people only buy a license to use the game, not the game itself. The only games you truly own are the ones you have on a physical disk, and even then, only the ones without online DRM as their verification servers could - or might have already - gone down as time passed.

[@sonictimm]

At this point, we legally don't own games, just the license to play them. But even though that's the law, we still physically hold the media and the files. So you're right, that would be one more step in that direction. Even so, it's hard to visit the Internet Archive and play SimCity for free in your browser without thinking "this is so much easier than buying a Windows 3.1 machine from an antique store and installing the game from a floppy disk"

[@adrienconverset6571]

This doesn't even covers half of the issues with Stadia... 1/ ISPs just won't endure that level of data stream. 20Gb/h and per player is really huge. 2/ How do you pay developpers and game studios ? Do you pay once to own the game, or do you pay a month/year pass to "rent it" ? 3/ Privacy issues ofc. 4/ Latency is gonna be an issue 5/ Call me old fashion, but I still enjoy playing some really old games. What's gonna happen when some servers will get shut down because not enough players on it ? Does that mean the game just dies forever ? Or do I have to buy it AGAIN to play it on a personnal computer ? 6/ Skyrim long life span is due to modding. What happens to modding ? 7/ Call me stupid, but will Stadia charge users by machine usage ? Like a tetris will cost less to run than a Star Citizen ? Or is it by output ? Like a 4k output will cost more than a 720p ? And what's the upside ? Not having to upgrade my computer every 3 years ? Well it's not like there are more and more "low quality" indiegames far more interesting and fun than the overmilked franchises like Far Cry, CoD, etc ... Subnautica, Doki-Doki, Undertale, FTL, and Papers please come to my mind, but there are a lot more. Also at some point some companies will realize it's better to have an awesome gameplay and/or story and average graphics than awesome graphics and overmilked gameplay and shitty narrative.

[@TehVulpez]

I don't like the precedent of not owning your own copy of a game. Microsoft claiming that their software is a service is already creepy enough.

[@Silshadnic]

2:08 ha that "processed" thinking face really got me idk why

[@romankampelmacher4685]

You forgot to mention the Ads on each loading screen..

[@darkmage07070777]

In addition to what's discussed, this has shades of the SNES BS in Japan to it; the games there were only able to be preserved due to a saint of a player recording the broadcasts, else they'd be lost forever. This is that with no way to preserve the game at all if/when the plug is pulled. I'm not really interested in this at all. We're already starting to lose entire years of games due to central server requirements and Steam DRM lockout; I don't want to accelerate that by having the platform itself be outside of my control.

[@matthewhoffman7082]

I, personally, can not *WAIT* for Stadia. There is nothing better than unresponsive controls, rubber banding, and disconnections in online play. These things need to be brought to single player to truly deliver peak 11/10 gameplay experiences. I'm amazed that they haven't done this already! The extra data usage is just a bonus. If you're paying for internet anyways, might as well use as much as you can, right?

[@Theraot]

3:51 Ha! keep dreaming ... This game is not available in your country

[@flaviusclaudius7510]

Oooh now I can have 100+ms lag on single-player games too!

[@hugoleofer]

Stadia will be for smartphone money trap games. Those that don't depend on latency, could use the extra graphics that are limited by the multitude of devices, lower the battery consumption and system memory used for installs. In the world of real games people are buying 120hz monitors and unlocking fps limit for that extra small decrease in lag input. Fast response is a must in gaming and Stadia can't provide it, even with all those datacenters. Multiplayer games already have enough trouble sending those small packages of data, now imagine sending large ones like 1980x720 pixels of data, 60 times in a second. So yeah, this is a thing for a few types of games and mostly adressing smartphone needs.

[@TornadoADV]

I like to own my games, thank you very much. Hard Pass.

[@AM-we1es]

You don't really own them tho

[@TornadoADV]

@@spinnis I guess all these gameboxes just hold hopes and dreams then. Also, I'd love to see Steam revoke my ownership rights when the games reside on seperated hard-drives not connected to the Internet.

[@TornadoADV]

@@AM-we1es Then it's one heck of a fever dream I'm going through, imagining these physical media boxes in my house since my childhood. Do you think I should see a doctor?

[@leops1984]

Google kills off services they get bored of. Ask anyone who relied on Google Reader. No, no, HELL NO!

[@safir2241]

Get rid of ISP corruption, & we’ll have it in half a decade.

[@tyler-kn7vc]

I’m just excited cause stadiu is using Linux in the back end which means new games are likely to get Linux ports. I’m so sick of windows and I’d like to switch to linux

[@WithYouIDisagree]

"Standardize development" Ah, yes, I look forward to the day when all our computers are Chromebooks and Google has a monopoly on everything.

[@juanmam.2113]

Everything but movies and series cause that will be Disney's

[@saramuoz]

Cloud/Streaming gaming is completely dead in the water as long as modern ISPs continue their stranglehold, at least in the US. I already have enough issue trying to stream HD video with my ISP, nevermind games.

[@UllurValdisson]

You forgot to mention that you don't own the games in any capacity and if Google finds you undesirable as a customer in any way, congratulations! You've involuntarily overcome your gaming addiction!

[@dustypants9326]

There is also the potential to charge for graphics: ie. SD: free, HD: 1.99, UHD: 4.99 But I'm sure there are other sketchy business practices that could be implemented that we haven't thought of yet.

[@NathanTAK]

That actually sounds relatively reasonable; it demonstrably takes more computing power to render in 4K than 480p, so charging more sounds about right

[@jonasn5]

why is this sketchy? It'd be completely fair for them to require a relation between how much average consumption you're gonna take and how much you get.... Additionally if done right it shifts pricing such that lower end is consumer friendly while high end remains for those who can actually afford it. A good game doesn't give a danm if its not full on HD - its gameplay, storytelling etc that carries it.

[@Arafor]

How about targeted in-game advertisement that no ad-block in the world can save you from? That is Google's business after all: advertisement.

[@NathanTAK]

Arafor Yes, *that* would be bad, especially if you’re already paying for the service

[@dustypants9326]

@@NathanTAK I disagree. I have no incentive to pay for a service that my computer can already do if I'm going to be charged extra for resolution.

[@mfoltran]

The questions about ownership and preservation is what scares me the most

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Just as you got to Comcast and just how terrible their service is, my video stopped to buffer. I think they heard you. . .

[@deanspanos8210]

That's not a good image of what its gonna do to games.

[@Chirpysemperboy]

@Adjcent Depends on how it is used. In the wrong hands, it could become a "pay us so you can play the games you bought" service, which is NOT good. Plus, I don't like the idea on having all of my games somewhere I can really do anything with them. I like having my games on my laptop/PC and being able to know that I still have them if, for whatever reason, something happens to the server they are on.

[@ygorko3834]

@Adjcent Because absence of ownership, absence of preservation and absence of modding. And if this thing succedes, the effects on the entire industry will be pretty grim for the general consumer.

[@Feanarth]

@Adjcent in addition of giving up ownership it also will pay developers for time spent in their game. No one will pay "per game" prices while having a streaming sub going, so they pay creators by the minute of consumption. Imagine what this means for the game's design. Games will be designed to keep you hooked, which isn't necessarily equal to "having fun". Also, devs will be paid pennies for designing small or short lived games.

[@Goblinoiddoof]

2:22 That pyro is me literally EVERY time I play TF2. Glitchy, laggy and ping 999.

[@copperlaktronics6705]

Don’t forget! The server has to be in Luxembourg or Virginia!

[@Goblinoiddoof]

@@copperlaktronics6705 which is a pain when u are British.

[@SkyenNovaA]

No thanks i'll stick to my PC

[@Humbird00]

... and my phone. ... and my tablet. ... and my smart TV. ... and in a few years, probably my GPU accelerated toaster.

[@lucasward9506]

@@Humbird00 When your toaster needs an RTX 2080

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

Sooooo it's a Switch but needs an internet connection and potentially dies every so often? Yeah I'll just stick with my Switch then

[@MaxIzrin]

Video streaming only works because you can buffer it. Online games only work because the data being sent is minimal (no graphics, just positions of things, and event triggers, to be parsed locally). So... there's no network on the planet that can support this. It's a pipe dream. As for poor people, speaking from experience, getting a PC, and sailing the high seas, is the cheapest option. The games cost more than the hardware that runs them. Fun little fact: gaming consoles are sold at a loss. The more you know.

[@danime91]

Only true for Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo is actually able to turn a profit on every system they sell. Mostly because they don't care about the whole graphics arms race.

[@Humbird00]

It's bascially streaming video + minimal button inputs. What's a few extra bytes?

[@MaxIzrin]

@@Humbird00 20GB per hour according to Google's own estimates, that's several times more than a Blueray movie for the same length of time. More than "a few extra bytes".

[@georgewilson7432]

I came from the future. It's sucks.

[@crankyfox]

Not enthusiastic about Stadia. So far its just another "game streaming" service. Personally I play most of my AAA games on steam, with a high framerate ultrawide. Logistically googles servers already deal with crunching lots of other data, so adding games to that just adds more problems, multiply the amount of users on steam with the base hardware configs for top tier games, and you have a lot more load. Honestly I think gaming will always be better on dedicated hardware whether a console or PC. After all the point of the progression of computing is to have the power of a mainframe in your backpack, not to return to the age of thin-clients and mainframes. Yeah, I'll take a hard pass.

[@wel0ud996]

Shadow tech is streaming entire game systems and I heard only good things about it.

[@overlordlettuce]

Came for the insightfull knowledge, stayed for the tf2 cameo

[@jacobs279]

Agreed

[@bobbyferg9173]

Honestly dealing with spies with bad wifi is bad enough, just imagine someone with bad wifi also streaming the game itself. You would get backstabbed from your spawn room.

[@VexelExe]

still think we should be putting our efforts into VR technology instead of this dumb streaming stuff

[@1wayroad935]

Castle Super Beast talked about this pretty definitively. This isn't going to work.

[@_ZimZam]

I think you mates should have touched on the things you only gave a passing mention to, like modding and preservation, a more lengthy look. Compared to lag/latency, I'm pretty sure those are much bigger problems for this kind of online service gaming.

[@LightningCayo]

After my experience with PS Now, and Resident Evil 7 on Switch, I’m not going to try the Stadia. We’re just mot ready for cloud gaming

[@zebobez2715]

I hope to be able to play Dwarf Fortress on this system. Ordinary computers are no match for lag death.

[@albertagungbillisupangkat6584]

imagine generating a world that has been going for 2000 years in there

[@Obe4ken]

But can Google handle a catsplosion?

[@lucasward9506]

Nvidia's Geforce Now is inherently better, change my mind.

[@yosoyysoyyo]

Yyyyeahhh, absolutely not. I own a mac, I have sufficient income for this service, but even I won't pay a company for the privilege of borrowing their PC and game library while they collect even MORE of my personal data. Just...hard pass. Especially with latency issues.

[@sord3377]

What does one thing Google has a lot of? Your personal data? even the cat got it correct....

[@udlrfbak]

Finally! never again will i have to own my game, pay only once, or vote with my wallet ever again! It's about time. i had too much power and needed a nerf! THANK YOU GOOGLE!!!

[@HeyImDaki]

I absolutely don't trust my internet connection to pull off something like this

[@jimmyc.491]

Glad to see you're living the stream, Matt! ; )

[@shieldplus]

Lmao, this is going to be dead on arrival.

[@jonasn5]

same was said for Netflix.

[@BottleWaterson]

Yay, now i can play the games i already play with a questionable controller, on a small screen, with a few hundred MS of lag, for the low low price of i dont know per month on top of every other subscription.

[@pamesman]

I like extra credits and all... But you just said data instead of data

[@tommysmith9966]

Alright, stadia is out! Please make a follow up video once the dust has cleared, because man...it did not go well.

[@Theraot]

What happens to your progress in those games? What happens to your progress in those games... ... When google suddently desides to shut down the service?

[@mastergamer5972]

Well your fu**ed

[@gegeji6442]

Stadia is not gonna work in my country because the internet here is slow as hell compared to nations and apparently it is "Neuland" for our politician so nothing is going to change soon

[@saphi20]

i prefer owning the games and consoles, not renting them

[@ItsmeInternetStranger]

People prefer owning movies too, but Netflix is still massive.

[@IonicFox2nd]

@@ItsmeInternetStranger Movies are less than 3 hours long (typically) and don't save anything (other than maybe a time stamp) so you just watch it once and put it away. Games include histories of accomplishments and saves that will go away too if the game is dropped from the service.

[@tnecniw]

Don't give Google more power...

[@michaelrobinson166]

No to Stadia. LET ME PLAY MINESWEEPER WITHOUT AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!

[@Galomortalbr]

maybe in ten years, i don't think we have good enough infrastructure to have a low enough ping to play games via cloud in real time. but for turn based games like CIV and old FF, this crap have a great potential

[@ITPalGame]

Just use Shadow and get a full Windows 10 desktop where you decide what to load on the PC and not being limited to a library offered to you.

[@warrenayiss3012]

For me who live in Africa, the import of consoles or PC components is very very expensive and hazardous because you never know if the package will arrive a day or not. For me Google Stadia is a great idea

[@Aliensthemovie]

I have a feeling that y'all don't like Comcast ...just like everyone else

[@rachelslur8729]

This is your daily reminder that *AJIT PI* is the head of FCC right now.

[@Tackgnol]

Controversial opinion: Stadia is way more dangerous to gaming then Epic Store haters can ever imagine Epic being.

[@laurencefraser]

Well, a Successful Stadia is, yes. The various problems which may prevent that success are still pretty significant though.

[@user-xu9bb5ct2o]

Did you know there is a "top grossing apps" section in the Google Play Store ? Sounds creepy right? Their algorithms may highlight games that get the most gaming time or those that are most profitable...

[@DerettoAlexiel]

Shadow is already doing this for pc...and well its spotty at times.

[@kaimagnus5760]

There are so many more problems and downsides than benefits that I honestly can't even see Google finishing the project. This lacks infrastructure in MOST countries (the data centers arent going to give you free bandwidth) and would be prohibitively expensive just to make even the most basic multiplayer games functional. The day MAY come when something like this is possible but that certainly isn't any time in the near, or even moderate, future. Not to mention the increased motivation of cyber piracy as people try and take control of the games away from Google.

[@z-beeblebrox]

It was waaay too appropriate that my wifi dropped out at 0:21

[@WeaselOnaStick]

>Amazon can pull this off. >Implying USA is the only country in the world egotist

[@evanadams5110]

The flop on this was hard.

[@felipenachmanowicz9393]

I think there are lots LOTS more problems with that for large scale use. Even in big cities where we can expect a large data center next to you.

[@JustJobbe]

How is no one comparing it to Geforce Now

[@edfungus]

This video missed mentioning Twitch for streaming and GeForce Now as another service that predates Stadia .... pretty big oversights

[@thelorebrarian2266]

With the amount of mods there are for Skyrim, they would need their own server.

[@diogosimoes9068]

I feel like this is going to be a massive failure. Pretty much everyone has access to either a PS4, XB1 or PC, so there is no real market for this. Maybe I'm biased since I want Google to fail and serve as example for other companies trying cloud gaming.

[@Nintendotron64]

That's sorta my feelings on the matter as well. Who exactly is Google trying to sell this to?

[@TobyDeshane]

Even if it's perfect in every other way, if this takes off and it's popular, streaming is a disaster for game history preservation.

[@unspeci8852]

This does mean developers might actually start supporting linux

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I find it amusing that Streaming Video games and online only games are single-handedly being denied by shady ISPs. I wonder if a large company of some sort will file a lawsuit towards said ISPs for threatening their business due to that.

[@thinkforaminute]

I used the precursor to Stadia, called Project Stream and it actually worked great. Response was great for AC Odyssey, but that's not a twitchy game. While I'm an old-school gamer with lots of PC games on the shelf, I really don't go back and play them as much as I thought I would. (GOG solved that issue.) If you were given the Comcast treatment, you could usually restart near where you left off prior to being bumped. I did see a bit of compression but I was playing at 1080p at 60FPS. They wanted you to have a 25mbps connection but you were generally streaming 15-20mbps. Honestly much better quality than I expected. I'm delaying buying a new PC until I learn more about the pricing and acceptance.

[@catowarmeowson9964]

There was a delay even at the GDC, streaming is a meme

[@threeofspades663]

I mean... it's cool. If everyone has gigabit+ connections. So if you have home fiber? Maybe. Otherwise, no.

[@Ebalosus]

Even with fibre, you would still need to live within 300km of the datacentre because the speed of light is a hard limit in reality.

[@HoboGirl09]

With the whole KZbin integration it's a cool idea but think of how fast the chat or game could be bombarded with trolls. KZbin is having a hard time controlling there regular comments section so much so they are turning them off for certain creators. I feel this going to make things only worse for streamers especially when you get into the massive creators that also have there own hatedom community.

[@Machtyn]

Keep my games client-side, please!

[@operationkilled]

Article 13 (Europe) + Stadia = I don't think is gonna work.

[@KPX01]

Not sure im ready for my game to buffer like netflix/youtube XD

[@jimmyryan5880]

There is no questions of ownership or mods or whatever. Google will own the games. You will have no access to modding them or sharing them or whatever. I'm glad this wont work.

[@Humbird00]

I wonder how this will work in Europe with Article 13/17? If Google is already going to have to pay royalties just to display links to copyrighted content, maybe selling a streaming service is their way of passing on the cost to the user?

[@pm79080]

Stadia is the consolisation of PC Gaming.

[@pm79080]

LIke Windows and macOS.

[@Humbird00]

Didn't that already happen a decade ago... with Steam?

[@pm79080]

@@Humbird00 Yes

[@LegatoSkyheart]

It's all good and all, I mean Onlive's system model was actually pretty awesome. You could watch anyone playing any game at any time, create awesome clips of your achievements, Free 1 hour trials of every game and you could play it anywhere at any time using any controller. Issue is, you didn't own anything and you constantly need a good connection to get a clear picture otherwise you'll be playing Batman Arkham City in the worst way possible. Delayed controls don't mean ANYTHING if you can't see...well...ANYTHING! but besides data caps and everything, the biggest blow to Stadia really is Game Preservation. I bought Scott Pilgrim vs The World when that game came out on my PS3. I still have that game and can still download it, but that game has been taken off of digital stores for almost 6 years now. If I lose my account, I lose that game. Onlive also went down during that time period and what happened to those game purchases? Well no one is saying they're playing their Onlive version of Batman now are they? You lose the service you lose the game. And that to me is one reason why I will not fully support Cloud Streaming Games.