Goratha's Acolyte of Chayula Gas Arrow Poison Monk, UNDERRATED?! - Path of Exile 2

[@ejun251]

Both how rage and font of rage works and that free spirit reservation "into the breach" tech were completely new to me. I love how every video I watch from you, I learn something new despite having played a long time. I also appreciate that you keep trying new things. You inspire people like me to try doing new things with the concepts you introduce :)

[@DesertWooder]

Nice to see a fellow chonk :) I've been playing gas arrow / poisonburst chayula monk since the start on SSF and it's pretty good, no trouble so far. I'm using a weapon swap wand setup with wither duration and curse nodes on it, it's pretty convenient if you want to go that direction; can also get some int on focus to help with gearing.

[@gigansmom]

Completely agree about the HC comment at the moment there aren’t enough defensive ascendancies that incentivize anything but infernalist lol died 9 times trying to get through the campaign. Some of them were super funny like testing the “drowned” debuff in act 3 😅 Anyways switched to infernalist and clean swept through normal/cruel and cruel ascendancy HC SSF. We just need more defensive layers for anything not spamming ES, infernalist, cloak of flame.

[@brofst]

Always loved dot builds, really enjoyed bleed eviscerate last league and it looks like I'm going to reroll poison monk this time!

[@akarenji6628]

Hey Goratha, I also tried to make a Chayula monk work using Archmage, poisons and crit with Hexblast and the Plaguefinger gloves. It has very high potential DPS as far as I can calculate for a level 34 gem level. I have a video on the topic if you ever find the time to see. Thanks

[@akarenji6628]

Also Into the Breach doubles your socketed reservation effects, surely a bug

[@dsamples333]

Ive been looking to do some sort of poison monk. So glad i found this. Will definately be trying out this build. Wanting to play a ranged Chonk but not a big fan of the staff playstyle. Cant wait to try this.

[@vinkrogel]

made it to 6 links and I cannot sustain my mana. I assume this is why you only show 5 links, but it seems weird to skip out on extra links due to mana sustain vs addressing in the build. Any ideas?

[@dshearwf]

I'll be highly interested in how your version works out. I played pretty much the exact same tree in SSF and it fell off a cliff damage wise in t15+. It was a super comfy and safe journey to that point though due to the easy zoning of gas arrow. Got the character to lvl 91 and maybe I'll find some mircale upgrade with my next build, but for now it's benched for sure.

[@TheMaaxZ]

Goratha did mention HoWA unique gloves as a way to scale the damage.

[@SukoSeiti]

Unfortunately Howa is how you scale all attack s skills

[@Kelemtal]

What is your weapon dps? With bonkers bow you should still melt

[@lplayerx422]

That into the breach tech is sick!

[@lish6598]

I think the no spirit for supports is a bug. Other ascendancy skills, that also have no spirit cost, will require spirit cost for supports. and addionally the wording sates "additional reservation: xx Spirit" t cost, which should flat add to anything

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

Vitality adds reservation to demonform for example.

[@samnickerson9255]

@@GE_Photon_Lord Demon form requires activation. Into the Breach is always on, its ingrained into the ascendant.

[@Achaa2]

@@samnickerson9255 Life Remnants from blod mage also doesnt have a reservation and no activation, but you still get to pay spirit for supports. So its a bug for sure. Or maybe its a feature to help people play the most underplayed ascendancy

[@K1m9857]

Within the context of the ascendancy, you don't have anything that replaces spirit to something else So I don't think it is a bug

[@aberges]

But you can add "mana support gems" to auras and they don't add anything because spirit gems don't have mana costs. I believe it is the same for this skill, it has no spirit so there's nothing to add to it. And to be clear I don't mean zero so it adds 10 to that zero, it literally has NO SPIRIT so you cannot add anything to "nothing". Programmers will get this.

[@dargon_not_dragon]

Couldn't you replace Barage with Fire Wall at this point then, so you can trigger the cloud?

[@Goratha]

triggering the cloud is bad, you don't want to blow it up with this build

[@miurbansk]

I am thinking about some kind of chaos Monk. Onw question. Chaos damage (not poison) can crit?

[@Goratha]

chaos damage can crit, yes, poison itself cannot crit, but you can apply a poison from a crit and it would be higher damage because the hit is higher - note that gas cloud (the cloud part) can't crit though

[@j000pe]

Great video! How sure are you you can't scale gas arrow with crit? Tooltip says it's affected by crit gems like inevitable crit and supercritical. The poison seems based on the hit damage of the arrow, eventhough it doesn't hit. Which makes it logical you could scale it with crit.

[@Goratha]

I tested it for a while, and it never proc'd the % dmg bonus from critting, it's possible it's counted as critting but not actually critting though, so probably could do another test for damage numbers specifically. Keep in mind the actual arrow can crit but I'm pretty sure the cloud can't.

[@mthai975]

@goratha what would be the ascendency point order?

[@Goratha]

It's in the maxroll planner, but I took reality rend, and then the breach nodes, you'd get chaos resistance last.

[@mthai975]

@@Goratha i found out later XD thnx !

[@jakecurry9526]

I have a pconc pathfinder- what you think about running PF with the double poisons node and free spreading etc. Same tree

[@mathiasdx3640]

Will be nerfed soon i think

[@SheinelI]

Im using the build on PF (no pconc), its very strong

[@Goratha]

this will work fine on pathfinder too, the interactions with gain chaos won't apply, so you'd just go for more poisons instead

[@TheOTKGameplay]

how do you get the unique item?

[@mthai975]

what support gems to use for poinburst arrow while leveling?

[@Goratha]

I really liked corrosive poison and armor explosion, it felt pretty nice for clear. Toxic Growth is nice for single target.

[@OllyWood688]

Hmm that free spirit gems thing does not work for my Blood Mage's similar "always on" buff "Life Remnants", I think.

[@Goratha]

I think the difference here is the bloodmage one is a buff, and the into the breach one is more of a radius effect around you. But yeah it could be a bug or it could be intended, hard to say.

[@OllyWood688]

Either way I regret having gone Witch so hard lmao

[@loobkoob]

You should put all the wither nodes on your weapon swap tree. You can take the attack damage stuff or whatever on your main tree, and then the wither stuff for your swap. And then obviously set Eye Of Winter to only ever use your second weapon set.

[@Goratha]

good idea! I was already considering a weapon swap for curse effect, but didn't consider this

[@loobkoob]

@Goratha I've been trying really hard to think how to apply weapon set passives to my builds and that definitely ended up being the best use I could think of for my poison build! I think it's going to be a while before we see weapon set passives being used to the fullest - they add a whole other dimension to build crafting that I think people haven't really adapted to yet. Plus there's the fact that there's not just one way to use them; sometimes you'll split your trees into clear versus single-target, sometimes into different elements, sometimes into damage versus utility, sometimes into different weapon types. Definitely my favourite aspect of theory crafting in POE2!

[@ShaqOverflow]

Do you think its worth routing for Acrobatics? From what I've seen, lots of Evasion heavy builds love it and it doens't seem like it'd screw your tree pathing too too much?

[@Goratha]

you can try it, but I think just getting more ES would be better

[@HeLlo-gq9hb]

Hello, I noticed you didn't get projectile gem levels on your gear, how good would it be on your build?

[@Goratha]

proj gems are good for sure

[@Riot-ippo]

The maxroll link doesn't show the passive tree I'm on android

[@Goratha]

it starts at lvl 1 and shows you the pathing up to whatever level

[@Riot-ippo]

@Goratha naw i mean it was showing no lines at all whole tree was like had no skills allocated but just checked and now it shows up fine ty

[@DesmoxMyco]

Been wanting to try a chy monk but not being able to use any aura stuff keeps me from doing it. What I'm really curious about though is if you've tested chaos damage scaling your gas cloud damage? I've done several tests myself and so far it doesn't seem like chaos damage scales the poison damage from the cloud at all.

[@Goratha]

Damage gained as chaos scales the cloud, and scales poison with chaos % damage, but chaos % damage does not scale poison directly. For example if you don't proc Reality Rending damage gained as chaos and you have no flames, you wouldn't gain any damage from % chaos damage on tree - because the Gas Arrow is counted as Physical damage, while physical damage does scale it. Also this build doesn't use the no spirit ascendancy, as yeah, it's pretty bad unless you're doing no hit runs.

[@pofruin]

Oooo stirit supports on Into the breach? Il try it out. Also what you'll get for last point? I went for Chaos res cause getting to 85 with almost no chaos res on gear is nice. But instant mana leach has also interesting interaction: In to the breach blue flames should be instant. And they are definitely boosted with life (red ones) or mana leach from tree.

[@Goratha]

Yeah, chaos resistance for sure, and yeah the leech from breach would work with leech nodes too.

[@squurellkiller]

Do you think a gas arrow/poison build is viable with deadeye?

[@Goratha]

Probably, you'd run faster which is always nice.

[@peter486]

i did the same i went over to SSF its much much better. and your toon has alt higher value

[@sythys_]

Are there Quivers with additional Proj? Or did you mean proj lvl?

[@Snowy123]

Likely proj lv, a lot of poison skills scale very well with skill level

[@mrchubbles]

Did you use the bow for leveling from the getgo or did you respec after campaign?

[@xedden2]

Pretty common to start monk way a lightning arrow until you get ice strike at least. Poison doesn't feel that good initially so elemental bow works a bit better before you switch to poison

[@Goratha]

I leveled with Poisonburst from the start till level 22. You can level as Lightning Arrow + Lightningrod early on if you want though. Also I think explode Gas Arrow is slightly better in campaign before poison nodes, but you can do poison early too.

[@Huntanor]

I'm did a poison gas self detonate Ingnite warrior and was surprised at how good it is. I walked into tier 7s. Barrage is great for exploding the gas on ignited foes but it does very little for just the cloud. I scaled all the start area projectile damage with Hulking form.

[@cryionic]

Inspired by this I started ssf, switched to gas arrow at 22 and I'm doing zero damage. Not sure where I'm going so wrong at this point, but I think I ll just throw in firewall for now.

[@xedden2]

@@cryionic Firewall makes this feel way better in my experience. Poison definitely seems to take a while to take off

[@b.3713]

drop vine arrow for toxic growth, it combos amazingly with gas arrow and explodes like u were using a fire skill cause youre poisoning the growths. i also run rain of arrows/spiral volley. you can go high es with the leech node this route too, toxic growth explosions refill your " life bar" easily, rain of arrows is there for debuffs and pin generated frenzy charges for spiral volley w/ combat frenzy corrosion goes well on gas arrow along with comorbidity and bursting plague. es leech route is very strong, double time of chayula flames is a waste when they spawn so frequently.

[@K1m9857]

With howa Dont you need more int than dex to get the damage to go up?

[@Goratha]

it just gives you attack speed per 25 dex and flat lightning per 10 int, so no, but you would go for as much int as possible if you did do this setup

[@K1m9857]

@Goratha would you recommend to level up eye of winter to 20? Or keep it at the base gem level, when it is available to get, to keep int low? Especially since it is in ssf Ofc it will change if they add more crafting options

[@Goratha]

@@K1m9857 low gem level, no real reason to level it up

[@DiegoSzad]

I love how every rotten braindead SC trade player called this build bad in your stream, for SSF this is legit great and won't get axed like the fire version

[@chocolatinerevolutionnaire3730]

one thing for defensive purpose, with you playing evasion, acrobatics is like, such a game changer, i can't see an evasion based build without it because it's soo good, defensively it's night and day

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

Not really, you lose too much evasion just to make the evasion "evade" spells. You will end up with bad atk evade and bad spell evade instead of one big chunk atk evade like 90%.

[@Reskan1]

@@GE_Photon_Lord You will evade AOE attacks with it, which has been most of my trouble defensivly. I dont care too much about spells since my ele-res will eat that anyway. Without phys reduction those slams hit for a lot.

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

@@Reskan1 You evade any attack with evasion... You dont need acrobatics for it. Acrobatics is mimicking spell suppress from poe1 ( better said old dodge mechanic ).

[@coa3704]

@@GE_Photon_Lord that is not true. Evasion in poe2 dodges all hits and projectiles (both attack and spells), acrobatics adds aoes

[@GE_Photon_Lord]

@@coa3704 So you cant evade aoe attacks by default? That's weird lol

[@tjpollock4783]

So instead of taking barrage take contagion, it'll spread your posion for you!

[@b00nDAg00n]

I wanna talk about my new BRO CHARACTER

[@thaddaustentakel7620]

Its so weird that Damage "Gain" works for poison but not chaos damage over time from ED and Contagion

[@Goratha]

it's because poison is based on hit damage, and ed/contagion are damage over time abilities with no hit

[@mirroroe9414]

Have you consider using ingenuity+ double Ming and go es/evasion for defense or going full mana for defense? Not sure how much base damage gas arrow have tho

[@napacar]

Nice attempt, i tried the same with scaling flat damage through ele damage quiver with +2 + Widowhail and converting it with original sin so you can scale more with in chaos damage on tree

[@Huntanor]

Gas Cloud is a very cool skill. Its goes two drasticly different directions. Im play an lgnite titan that self detonates by using the poison to trigger the explode on broken armour. Right now at 73 I can self ignite with three enemies 90% of the time. Edit: Im using rain of arrows to pin for power charges and the rain is the back up ignite for exploding the gas. I also messed with the 50% explode on death ignited Gem, but the timing is terrible. In the campagn I use detonating shot to trigger the failed self detonates.

[@Rekennnnn]

Somehow you did it...

[@kurisu1204]

On the fire scaling bit: "Gain" chaos dmg does NOT scale with the base dmg type but the type it is becoming, in this case chaos. Gain works different to conversions. It explains it on the gain tooltip.

[@gaborfabian3967]

He meant like flat fire dmg which he then gains as chaos so it counts towards poison.

[@bappo2693]

There’s some skill that looks like a big fart, I love it 😄

[@disbled]

No idea why GGG would nerf gas arrow explode, it's not even close to being OP lol

[@K1m9857]

It was op before it was nerfed? Not sure if you looked at patch notes lol

[@Goratha]

it's less of a nerf and more of a change to how detonators work in general I think (minions / grenades have them too)

[@squurellkiller]

The free auras on Into the Breach is bug I think. BloodMage also has a zero reservation node but the added auras add spirit cost.

[@G0ldfingers]

Game is better in SSF, time to believe it, who's going to hack or dupe you if you have no currency because you used it all crafting, everything drops you found, and it's more challenging leading to more game satisfaction.

[@Goratha]

Yeah, I heard about the hacking stuff too, kind of scary stuff.

[@dodang_9147]

@@Goratha i was trying something like this with whirlwind strike. the gimmick was to run tempest bell+whirlwind to 10 stack of mantra, cast mantra which makes next attack do % chaos damage than switch the bow and cast gas arrow.

[@xeno8260]

👍

[@AWACxIVIonster]

wouldnt this be just twice as better on pathfinder

[@gaborfabian3967]

Keep in mind while pf gets double poison stacks it does not get gained as chaos procs like chayula. And beacuse each poison has higher dmg on monk it makes vine arrow and plague bearer stronger as well.

[@dodang_9147]

he explained that reality bending +into the breach adds damage. so let's say your stack is 3. if you proc reality rending at 7%, you get 100% extra dmg on hit which is 100% extra poison damage so 3 stack of poison = 6 stacks for this hit than into the breach add's 7% damage per stack of chuyuya for max of 10 stacks. say you add 5/10 stacks. 6 stacks becomes 8 stacks in effective hit damage. that is why it works as well it does.

[@md.mahabubulalam6780]

FARTMANCER?

[@JamSlamHero]

first

[@jirikomestik3692]

"HC is buggy" excuses LOL....

[@duruzhkovivan7556]

I regret to say sorry about the dalogue that made you get offended ; I suggest poison concoction. I don't hate the acolyte of chaula; but Its mechanism is so refractory for me. plz forgive me...

[@alexsaho572]

Look at that cool looking Darth Maul like, dark side Monk ascendency. Lets play it with a bow and arrow ;/ This is one of the most boring things i have ever seen. Top of imagination power fantasy right here (ughhh).

[@Goratha]

I think poison melee can work but I'm ssf and don't have the unique gloves yet.

[@zombiesnivy]

once we get more skills added to the game I think melee poison chayula monk might could be more of a thing

[@Geechi_]

Just not enough support right now. There’s no melee skills that convert to chaos and you can’t stack damage before the conversion in PoE2. Poison melee works but like he said you need plaguefinger, not sure how reliable chances are for it in ssf. Edit - once they add Shadow/Daggers we can actually start cookin

[@dodang_9147]

@@Goratha but the only physical skill with high base % hit is Flicker strike at 328%. i don't see how you make reality rending have as high damage as gas arrow.

[@dodang_9147]

@@Geechi_ the problem is how Flame of Chayaya works. in order to gain flame of chayaya, you need press mantra than kill enemies. for every enemy you kill, you gain a buff of flame of chayaya which boost your chaos damage by 8% per stack. at 10 stacks, 80% of your damage is added as extra chaos damage(160% with lucid dream). the problem is that boss room do not allow you to gain stacks of chayaya because there is no mobs. you would need find a way to either have like 400% duration increase in Flame of chayaya stacks so your timer is long enough to grab into the breach stacks and keep them OR you need find a way to kill mobs/summon mobs to gain stacks in boss fights. that's the issue. Poison melee at best would just be high damage with some poison on the side. If Mantra was on-hit instead of on-kill, Chaos melee monk would work easily. in fact it would have direct synergy with poison because both chaos and physical would synergize with the class.