Precious beautiful NeNe. Ai really loves her mom.🙏💞🙏
@siliza61242 ай бұрын
How this situation reminds me of us going to the hospital to visit a relative. Thank you for posting the video.
@babsysmith16302 ай бұрын
Ai is sooo caring visting and checking on Nene..Remimds me of visiting time at a hospital😊
@sputnik4592 ай бұрын
Thank you for updating 😢. Ihope Nene will return soon to her family. This video was very emotional...the family miss her. Love you Nene
@andreaschwartz9886Ай бұрын
I also agree that Ai should be allowed to spend some time with Nene. Mother and daughter could comfort each other. They have a very close bond. This may help Nene recover sooner. Praying for the whole troop. 🙏🙏💕💕🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
@brianchandler6570Ай бұрын
What if AI gets aggressive with her like the others did?
@kathieshirleyАй бұрын
Ok... 5-6 years ago Shabani was the playful Dad. He had a son, Ki with AI. Nene was the 2nd female that Shabani attempted to make a baby with. AI had Annie but it was Nene that took over the Mother role... could a zookeeper answer that question? Please & Thank you!
@MaddyIndiaАй бұрын
I again hope Nene gets better soon!! 🙏❤️🙏
@398robin2 ай бұрын
I love the relationship between Ai and Nene.
@vickery82052 ай бұрын
Seems like AI is suffering a lot without Nene 😢
@lovejoy30582 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!☺️! FOR REMOVING NENE INTO ANOTHER SPACE. SO SHE CAN GET THE PROPER REST AND PRAYING SHE GET HER STRENGTH BACK. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 . SHE A FIGHTER FOR LIFE.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@jenniferlynn35372 ай бұрын
It seems to me that Nene craves the companionship of the rest of her family. Nene is arthritic - and arthritis is degenerative. “Rest” does not help arthritis - however, activity does. The lethargy we’re witnessing is likely due to painkillers administered to Nene - which can cause sleepiness. It would be a shame if Nene is destined to live out her remaining days segregated from the rest of the group.
@sheppardpaul5292 ай бұрын
I agree, now that would be cruel on her and the troop, you can see how anxious it’s making the family bless her ❤ 🙏🏼
@brianfpp5402 ай бұрын
I think its really healthy for all the gorillas that they can still see each other, im sure it helps relieve the stress they are all suffering.🎉
@charmainejones56202 ай бұрын
It would also decrease the stress of the troop if they could smell her thru a steel barrier. Seeing is not enough as they consistently press nose to window corner trying to get her scent. Rest is good for the old girl.❤❤
@swampsagacity46852 ай бұрын
@@charmainejones5620There are bars between them indoors. There has to be glass on the exterior walls so they can air condition the rooms.
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
I agree 100%@@charmainejones5620
@Greylock21Ай бұрын
I wish there was even the steel bars like inside and a mini mattress Nene is eye level to her family. That really could be done if she is able to get up high in the room. Yes? Like where they have days or am I in the wrong troop.
@swampsagacity4685Ай бұрын
@@Greylock21 There are bars inside. Bars in outer building walls would make it impossible to control their climate in the heat.
@CaseyNahanАй бұрын
Hang in there Nene we are all rooting for you !you go girl ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@pattywhitlock79412 ай бұрын
Thank's for keeping us up dated. As hard as it is knowing Nene isn't well it is nice to know and have an update on her. ..... She's been my fav ever since I found the Shaman Group. I love them all but she's been my heart......❤
@KellyDufourd2 ай бұрын
I pray that Nene feels better soon. Sending love and healing Nene. We love you.
@denisemorris11772 ай бұрын
Miss you Nene! ❤❤
@mooncakerabbithender72032 ай бұрын
I have not been able to watch of late these video's of this family as its breaking my heart to see poor Nene and how the family are suffering so much. They love her dearly. Is the condition of Nene due to her age, is she on pain medication. To see her crawling on the floor is just to sad. Thankyou for the updates. xxx
@PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts2 ай бұрын
I agree I just cry non stop
@swampsagacity4685Ай бұрын
Nene also fell off a perch while chasing Annie two weeks ago. She may have sustained injury.
@giselavo8842Ай бұрын
@@PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts Me too!!
@tatyanagolub61712 ай бұрын
Привет. Слёзы наворачиваются на глазах,от вида Нене, от её беспомощности. 😥
Que significa la clandestinas las áreas de afuera con el resto de los gorilas
@consuelopando94142 ай бұрын
Perdón la clandestinidad
@consuelopando94142 ай бұрын
Perdón la clandestinidad
@luguy8347Ай бұрын
Thank you, for explaining
@christinewilson65322 ай бұрын
Such a sad, sad situation 😞 I feel for them all, who knows what they're thinking, bless them all, hopefully Nene makes some recovery soon and is able to be with her family again ❤️ 🏴
@losalo222 ай бұрын
They should have seperately her from months back for Nene to recover it but seems it's a little late, so sad to see her in pain-mental, physical & psychological.... It's a carelessness that is costly.. wish Nene lives long like Fatou ... ❤ Speedy recovery and may the zookeepers wisely make decisions for the welfare of the animals in the zoo and also considering the fans ❤
@pattiwhite95752 ай бұрын
She injured herself months ago? I am shocked to hear that. And know that they just now isolated her. She seems to need medical intervention then. She must have fractured something in hips or something. The poor thing.
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
@@pattiwhite9575I agree 💯
@ninawest82 ай бұрын
Hopefully they learn from their BIG mistakes!
@giselavo8842Ай бұрын
@@ninawest8 yes!!!
@Kiowa3712 ай бұрын
It breaks my heart to see AI cut off from Nene. Seeing AI attempting to push a stick through a window frame crack to her mother broke me 😂 I can’t believe I have tears in my eyes. They will have to figure out away to keep Nene permanent isolated from all with the exception of AI or figure out how to keep Shabani from becoming so excited.
@MaddyIndiaАй бұрын
Yepp, it was very moving to see her put a stick through to contact her mother. ❤❤
@PandoraBVVАй бұрын
Yes, almost as heart touching as all the times that Ai smacked her, pounded on her, trampled over her, shoved her off the platform, bluff charged her to make her cower against the wall to protect herself. Ahhh, nothing like the "love" of a good and kind daughter eh?
@Kiowa371Ай бұрын
@@PandoraBVV You’re running your mouth about the wrong Gorilla fool. SMDH
@MaddyIndiaАй бұрын
@@PandoraBVV wow she was a meanie
@CaseyNahanАй бұрын
I love the hooooting ,are they singing to nene?❤️
@SomethingAboutGorillasАй бұрын
yes, they do. they are waiting for a response from NENE.😊
@tyeishamcbride71272 ай бұрын
Goodness 😮 this is heartbreaking! Nene has wounds and is crawling😢 i soo want her to get better and I feel bad for Ai who clearly wants to be with her and shabani who displays of hitting the window are his way of trying to get her up❤
@sheilasminicreations2 ай бұрын
I am happy to see Nene. But not happy to see her crawling around. I hope she isn't suffering. Prayers FOR NENE and my love
@SolaKnitez532 ай бұрын
That's my concern also...what kind of life is this? No hay, nothing soft under her old arthric bones..At least give her something comfortable to lay on...my zoo would have done that a long time ago...then again, my zoo would haved help eased her misery and pain also.
@redlipstickmafia2 ай бұрын
Exactly. The zoo said that she was walking now, but by the way she's hunched over and crawling that seems hard to believe.
@redlipstickmafia2 ай бұрын
@@SolaKnitez53 Yes, something soft to lay on. That cold concrete isn't cutting it.
@jenniferlynn35372 ай бұрын
@@SolaKnitez53 It seems to me that the zoo IS giving Nene medication for her pain - which is why she’s been seen so sleepy lately. When the medication begins to wear off, her appetite picks up. We weren’t able to see into the room to know what other accommodations may have been made for Nene.
@sheilasminicreations2 ай бұрын
@redlipstickmafia I hope they don't leave her like this fir too long. It's so sad to watch. And others really don't understand much about what us going on. It's not good for them either.
@GrandRegentSScratch2 ай бұрын
Nene😭😢, you can tell she is in an extreme amount of pain.
@sandraaguirre19062 ай бұрын
Poor Nene, she can't even walk no more. That crawling must be pain for her knees. My blessings for Nene and all that suffering she is going through.
@Rif-hq9ki2 ай бұрын
I know so sad she crawling around! There's no way she can be around her troop now! They need to get her outta there I mean how long can this go on! She should be in a small room recovering small space
@sandraaguirre19062 ай бұрын
@@Rif-hq9ki I know poor Nene.
@PandoraBVVАй бұрын
No proper medical veterinary care will be given. Too expensive, cuts into their profits.
@nena12492 ай бұрын
The zoo should allow Ai to have contact with Nene at least through bars. They could smell and touch each other. That would speed up Nene's recovery, or at least make her pain more bearable.
@sonjavandam13062 ай бұрын
This troop have been through alot in the last year. Ai is feeling sad, i dont know why they can't let her comfort her mum.😢
@arantxabcn57622 ай бұрын
Estoy contenta por ver a Nene. Y que dulce momento la familia reunida alrededor de ella.
@lauralm99052 ай бұрын
AI should be with her mom to comfort her.
@redlipstickmafia2 ай бұрын
I agree, those 2 should be together right now.
@lauralm99052 ай бұрын
I hope the zoo does something. Seems like the whole family is upset. They don't seem to be eating well. I hope Nene gets better soon.
@GregoryWilson-d9h2 ай бұрын
Thanks for keeping us updated.i really appreciate that.will send money when i can donate.god bless.
@staceyrogers49582 ай бұрын
Perhaps they could let Ai in on her own to keep Nene company sometimes.
@holleyb78612 ай бұрын
They all miss her much.
@lisaharms93872 ай бұрын
Prayers for Nene❤❤❤❤
@janicemerchant-blakely48662 ай бұрын
Seams like they could give Nene something soft to lay on. Please give her some comfort! It’s too sad.
@sonjavandam13062 ай бұрын
It's the little things that count, some straw for her to lie on. Smh😢
@ninawest82 ай бұрын
So many of us have said the very same thing. You think that they would listen. Some zoo's give them so much or even have their entire ground layered with hay.
@staceyrogers49582 ай бұрын
I messaged the zoo saying this but they did not respond 😢
@sonjavandam13062 ай бұрын
@@staceyrogers4958 good luck, I know it won't make a difference but it doesn't hurt to try.✌️
@johnroscoe2406Ай бұрын
I am quite sure they know what they are doing.
@stellaferrell87632 ай бұрын
Ai she's missing her mom Shabani he looks worried too prayers beautiful nene
@nadinelemeur19392 ай бұрын
C ' est la qu on voit les liens très forts entre néné et ai Pron rétablissement a néné ❤
@WendyMurray-q6uАй бұрын
I watch all the other zoos they don't have a cement city they have trees and bush poor none dieing in a cement room away from her family ❤
@jorgecanizares98772 ай бұрын
I'd love to see videos of when Shabani first met Nene and AI 🦍🦍
@normasantoro10872 ай бұрын
I'm so happy to see Nene ❤. Also nice to see them keeping an eye on Nene but also a reminder she better off being alone. Ai is the only that's kind to her mom..haven't seen her hit her, wish the zookeepers would let only her in to be with her mom, if only for a few mins...but also understandable why they don't.
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Ela não está ao relento, nãoooooooo. Eles estão cuidando muito bem dela, tanto é que ela está aí aos nossos 👀 olhos 👀 👀 👀 viva a Nenê Genteeeeeeee !!!! O importante é que ela não morreu....
@muriel71002 ай бұрын
Sa fait mal au cœur de les voire comme ça sur tout Ai 😢 merci pour votre vidéo 🙏 mais j'ai vue néné merci
@terrismith33592 ай бұрын
Poor Nene! I truly hope she’s not in severe pain and suffering. It’s so sad to see this matriarch, Nene, this way. I hope she’s kept comfortable and not suffering. Poor family, miss es her, especially Ai. Prayers for Nene and the family. 🥲🦍🙏🏼🥰
@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrimАй бұрын
All these decades enslaved. Now she is dying.Poor Nene.
❤❤❤OMG Ai trying to pass bark to Nene through the vent!!❤️🩹💔❤️🩹💔 Nothing has been done for Nene's legs...😪😪😪
@CaseyNahanАй бұрын
I think that Shabani is sharing positive feelings with all the others ,🌼❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌸🌻🌸🌞🌞🌞🇯🇵
@ZombieQueen8192 ай бұрын
The whole troop is worried about the alpha female Nene, Nene my grumpy old ladybug is loved by all❤❤❤❤ This is killing me to watch Ai with Nene ,, Ai is so lost she doesn’t know what to do.. Ai has always been the best daughter did everything Nene wanted her to do. Come on Nene show everyone just how strong you are your in my prayers the whole troop is🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Nene crawling around now please dear Lord help her 🙏🙏🙏
@consuelopando94142 ай бұрын
Gracias por sus actualizaciones son gratificante gracias a Dios Nene ha comenzado a mejorar Sabanis y Ai están felices gracias al personal del zoológico que tomó medidas para mejorarlos gracias a n todos los seguidores de esta gran familia que observan su desarrollo❤
@sheppardpaul529Ай бұрын
7:10 heart breaking to see them stressed like this😢
@marybrennan73412 ай бұрын
God blees poor Nene, God take away her pain xo.
@sapphirerain702 ай бұрын
It seems Nene is getting worse. 😢 Her family loves her so much.
@victoriarash44172 ай бұрын
AI needs to be with her momma. She would be gentle with her. She loves her momma and it is so sad to see her wanting to be with Nene and can't. I understand why they don't let the others around her but not AI. I love Nene and AI
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
💯
@ForestGirlTeresa2 ай бұрын
I wish there was a way for Ai to be in the same room as her mom. 7:00 Before Nene was isolated, Ai was the only one not picking on her. She and Nene have had some fine times up on the ledge together. Seeing Shabani run past and slap the window shows how Nene would fare had she not been separated from him, although I think he was only trying to rouse her. Praying that Nene will recover enough to be with Ai. Poor old lady. But it's good the others can see her. 💕
@Debbie-u6q2 ай бұрын
Her eye still seems swollen, i was hoping it would look bit better, but still good to see her.....Ai just wants to connect with Nene 😢 theirs is a beautiful relationship....❤
@murasaki-hanaАй бұрын
アイちゃんがネネのことを心配そうにしているのを見ると、切なくなる😢
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Que lindooooo AI e Nenê se encontrando, muito 💘 😍 💌 💖 💓 💘 amor...
@cklg88Ай бұрын
Little Nene is just old and they all know she's dieing. OMG she's crawling. 😪 They love her so much.💜
It doesn't look good for Nene. She doesn't look like she's making any kind of recovery. Sending prayers her way. 🙏❤
@lori6392 ай бұрын
Gorillas seem to care more for their elderly , than a lot of people do.
@swampsagacity46852 ай бұрын
The other gorillas were beating and pounding on Nene before the staff isolated her.
@GrandRegentSScratch2 ай бұрын
Some, most don’t.
@sheppardpaul5292 ай бұрын
@@swampsagacity4685omg really, that explains the situation and why the zoo took those steps, poor old girl
@swampsagacity46852 ай бұрын
@@sheppardpaul529 AND she was chasing Annie away & fell to the ground while trying to jump from one perch to another. She landed HARD on her side. You can see all of it in recent videos.
@racheleastwood55882 ай бұрын
Nene is in the wrong place, they really don't give a stuff about her at all. The beauty needs comfort, care and peace 💚💛
@CC-xn5xi2 ай бұрын
Please give Nene a soft bed!
@Danielleb7232 ай бұрын
I think its a good sign Nene ventured over to the window so her family could see her closer. Earlier on she was not doing that. She is elderly and recovery is slow but i am hopeful she will recover so she can be with her family again.
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
The sad thing about is that IF she recovers, whoch I do not velieve she will with the severe arthritis she has ( I don't know what else). It is NOT a humane thing to do is leave her steughling and not mobile and in pain. NeNe such a loving mother to her kids, but I think if she is in pain and nonchance to recover (my fear even if she "recovers") if she goes nack to the troop she will get hurt again sadly.
@TheFlashyWeaselАй бұрын
@@Bella_Rose.2023at this point I doubt she would be able to be returned to the troop... 😢
@Bella_Rose.2023Ай бұрын
@@TheFlashyWeasel I agree
@liafigueiredo37082 ай бұрын
Comovente ver a preocupação de todos, que Nenê possa recuperar-se bem. Annie está tão magra.
@pamcansler69602 ай бұрын
Is it possible Queen NeNe has had a stroke? Seeing her craw but at the end of the video she was stepping up. She is very weak but still on this video very aware of her surroundings. I so wish AI could get close to her. It seems to make Shabani upset when she is close to her and he looks like he is trying to protect her still trying to understand what is going on. I just hope she is given something to help ease the pain. I know as said before gorilla are not humans but I tell you one thing they could sure teach us a few things. The care this troop has for one another is amazing. I’m just wondering what will happen if something happens to NeNe because she has always been a protector of Kio her son. It may cause a lot more tension between Shabani and him. Just thinking. Prayers for Queen NeNe and troop. Love this troop. Thank you for another update. Waiting for current update also. ❤❤
@SeptemberfarmsАй бұрын
Keeping them separated is causing stress. In the wild this is not how it would be. Annie looks too thin.
@joegaito702Ай бұрын
Appreciate a good laugh we laugh and learn and benefit from the gorillas they make good parents and grandparents and uncles and aunties and stepparents and brothers and sisters they have feelings and emotions and there moments like anyone else right they make better parents and friends than most people out there much love and respect to the gorillas instead i will take them out to lunch or dinner and treat them as they don't mind leaving the tip appreciate you guys thanks such smart and intelligent loving caring animals we should stop and learn and benefit from them way to go very impressed !!! Joe
@AlinaWhitfield05102 ай бұрын
Ai wants to be close to mom😢❤
@jessicaandjasasturdivantst19572 ай бұрын
It's so sad to watch 😢so sad
@beckyhodges42872 ай бұрын
Can’t they let ai in for awhile it would comfort them both. That’s so pitiful
@debralehman-p9w2 ай бұрын
Silverbacks don’t like changes to their routine!! Shabani looks flustered!!🦍💙🦍💙🦍🩷🦍🩷🦍🩷
@eric78-j1g2 ай бұрын
The grandma needs to rest alone, that's better
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Shabani está muito ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ feliz.....
@jacquelincayton8298Ай бұрын
Let Ai in with her mom. Nene needs comfort and love not isolation.
@KathyJo.2 ай бұрын
Nene is so pitiful 🥺 she is crawling on the floor, poor thing 😥….. How long before they let the public know something?
@denisemorris11772 ай бұрын
😢😢
@CC-xn5xi2 ай бұрын
Nene needs a bed. Soft bed.
@denisemorris11772 ай бұрын
@@CC-xn5xi Something soft to lie on!
@SolaKnitez532 ай бұрын
A lot of zoos are not transparent about the animals in their care. I wouldn't hold my breath for info...and if something does come out...I wouldn't trust it. Just my opinion.
@sonjavandam13062 ай бұрын
@@SolaKnitez53It's a very valid opinion. They aren't transparent enough.😢
@thenotsotypicals2 ай бұрын
I hope they let Ai visit Nene alone for a while before reintroducing her to the whole troop.
@ritalittle4838Ай бұрын
Are they treating nene for pain. Poor girl.
@NalaRichenbach2 ай бұрын
Poor old girl. I hope she's feeling better soon.
@aravel132 ай бұрын
omg,guys again,i dont wanna be that guy,but clearly cousin Nene is suffering a lot,if there is no chances just put that poor lady to sleep,is a sin to have her struggle,let her have her farewell and get over it,dont leave a bad memory for her troop,like this they will suffer too,they will think their time to become like her is coming soon too,stop this,let them keep the good memories and let her go🙏✌🏻
@faybooth1502Ай бұрын
This is like jail the more I watch these zoo inclosures
@1947lindalouАй бұрын
Please don't let her suffer😢
@ramonaschwarzlose59092 ай бұрын
Es ist so schön zu sehen, wie wichtig Nene für die Gruppe ist. 🥰❤🥰 Sie sind sich so nah, mit ganz viel Gefühl. 😍 Nene hat viele Besucher am Fenster. 🥰
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Não agiu logo, acho que porque ela estava bem, depois ela levou uma queda aí eles reagiram e começaram a cuidar da mesma, descobrindo outros problemas de saúde que ela tinha. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Isso é o que eu penso....😊😊😊😊😊😊😮😮😮😮😮
@brownrabbit612 ай бұрын
It's a pity that when building this fairly new enclosure they did not design it so that they would have a small place accessible to the staff, and visible to the troop where they could easily isolate one of the family if necessary. That way, they could've separated Nene and looked after her much better, and made her comfortable in what are likely to be her last days. It's a very sad situation as it is.
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
That was about the only thing better about the old enclosure
@lydiademan86902 ай бұрын
Kan ai echt niet alleen even bij haar moeder .ja ik begrijp dat het wilde dieren zijn en dat je nooit zal weten met hoe .ze zullen reageren maar ach dit is toch wel heel erg bijzonder om te zien .dat ai wel iedere keer even gaat kijken bij nene .maar zouden jullie een update .kunnen geven met hoe het nu met nene gaat .ja het is allemaal niet makkelijke voor jullie allemaal .❤❤❤❤❤
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
Ai would never hit her mother or hurt her, the rest of them are iffy, but NOT Ai. Ai would comfort her and be with her. I hate the idea of euthanasia but I hate MORE if NeNe is suffering. What quality of life is that for NeNe. :(
@lydiademan86902 ай бұрын
@@Bella_Rose.2023 ja maar we weten nog niet zo heel veel over nene .dus laten we maar even afwachten de verzorgers en de dieren artsen zullen de wel alles aan doen .om nene .hopelijk weer op de been te krijgen .en laten we dat dan maar hopen
@Bella_Rose.20232 ай бұрын
@lydiademan8690 I cant read your post sorry
@HankandLouie2 ай бұрын
Ai 🥺❤
@BioTransXX2 ай бұрын
They should let Ai be with Nene. She misses her mum. 🥺
@joylee69682 ай бұрын
I agree, it looks like she is trying to open the door to get to Nene.
@justpiddlin14702 ай бұрын
They can't because if something happens to Nene that they need to get to her quickly, Ai would delay the response time significantly.
@susan_7072 ай бұрын
She does, but Shabani could explode if they take another family member out of the group.
@vickery82052 ай бұрын
I agree 💯
@borboleta592 ай бұрын
Eu simplesmente acho que os tratadores sabem (muito melhor do que nós) o que é bom para Nene. O bem estar de Nene vem em primeiro lugar, pois é ela quem está doente. E a gente viu que a opção de se isolar foi dela mesma, pois é assim que deve se sentir melhor.
@Rif-hq9ki2 ай бұрын
Annie looks soooo thin omg Ai tooo
@sheppardpaul5292 ай бұрын
Despite their size etc Gorillas are highly sensitive to environmental changes, they require routine
@karlitadawson6512 ай бұрын
I really think that fall did more damage than we thought. Seems to she’s worsening 🙏🏾😢! I want her better but not in pain. Nene is the glue, plans we have to be made for Kiyo soon
@luvcats1202 ай бұрын
It’s good that we have been given information about Nene’s condition. The one question I have is has she been seen by a veterinarian and received a thorough examination? Thank you for the video! 😊
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Que bommmm a Nenê está vivaaaaaaa !!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😅😅😅😅😊😊😊😊
@sherrylove2536Ай бұрын
They all are worried about that poor sweet Nene 🥺 I'm worried too 😔🙏
@MatiasPeralta-e4n2 ай бұрын
Gentaro es el doble de grande que Kiyomasa
@jaynebaileyАй бұрын
Is there a reason nema is by herself
@inezandrade106Ай бұрын
Sim, está sob cuidados médicos.... Já pensou se ela saísse, 🙌 🙌 🙌 🙌 UAUUUUUU ía ser um alvoroço dos gorilas....