GOTHAM: A TALE OF TWO HARLEYS

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Vee Infuso

Vee Infuso

3 жыл бұрын

The show Gotham had the rights to certain characters but not others, one of which being Harley Quinn. In order to get around their lack of Harley, they got creative and created two pseudo-Harleys. Barbara Kean and Ecco . Today me and Channel Pup take a look back at the Clown Princess Of Crime prototypes.
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@avace917
@avace917 3 жыл бұрын
The Barbara Kean character just annoyed me. It seemed like they didn't know what to do with her. The actress was fantastic. It just seemed like every next season, she was somebody else.
@dinkledonker801
@dinkledonker801 3 жыл бұрын
They didn't know what to do with any of their characters
@avace917
@avace917 3 жыл бұрын
There's some truth to that but she in particular stuck out like a sore thumb
@joyisntfunny
@joyisntfunny 3 жыл бұрын
I liked her in the later seasons but went back to not liking her in s5, I think the problem was they had her go insane way too fast
@hawktalon7890
@hawktalon7890 3 жыл бұрын
@@dinkledonker801 Case in point: Mr. Freeze being a hired gun. That came completely out of left field, IMO.
@Dagenspear
@Dagenspear 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really think that. I think at the end of season 1, she was a different character than the rest of the season. And in season 2 they continued also swapped her out for a different kind of character, but then put her as a middle ground between where the 2 ideas in that season. Then I think season 3 continues from where she was at the end of season 2, and follows that through for about the whole season. I think season 4 is kinda rebooting of her character though, to where she acts different. But, the little anti man rant at the end of season 4 notwithstanding, I don't think season 5's version is a huge departure from the majority of her season 4 character.
@strigzs5681
@strigzs5681 3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea that Barbra Keen and Ecco each represent separate sides and story’s of Harley. Just like Jerome and Jeremiah could also be seen as the different sides of the joker! I am a little bummed I’m so late to the fandom lol
@rblxduelist
@rblxduelist 3 жыл бұрын
Jerome wasn't the joker though. He was just a phycho who inspired his brother jerimiah to become the real joker as he would have become if the show continued . (Even if jerimiah didn't admit it) Same goes for Barbara she wasn't ever meant to be harley she even goes bad in the comics they just have their own version of her in this and the other one is harley quin
@strigzs5681
@strigzs5681 3 жыл бұрын
@@rblxduelist while you're right, that Jerome wasn't the joker cause y'know he died. Jeremiah far fits the tall order the joker poses. I like to imagine that because they didn't have the right to the joker name they separated the joker into two halves which is why they made the two twins. Jerome represents that more maniacal, unpredictable, psychopath side of the Joker that's the anarchist. While Jerimiah embodies the more cynical, evil, sociopath who thinks before he acts and always leaves himself an out to not get caught. Even at the end we still see that Jerimiah retains his fractured sanity that gives him that unsettling calculating persona. I also completely forgot Barbara was in the comics and went bad so that's on me LMAO.
@rblxduelist
@rblxduelist 3 жыл бұрын
@@strigzs5681 jerimiah really reminded me of the joker more than jerome just by the way he did that thing with the bombs in the different towers and the way he had a wierd enemy friendship with Bruce Wayne a bit like he has with batman in the animated series where he's always being playful with batman but never actually wants him dead
@strigzs5681
@strigzs5681 3 жыл бұрын
@@rblxduelist yea I see that however I feel like it isn't till the end that Jeremiah starts to also decend into the more psychotic and unpredictable nature that the joker is known for, and that Jerome had. Jerome may not have been...the brightest, but he was fairly smart and (like James gordon said) wasn't boring. He was a showman and all the things he did, he did with a flourish and inspired and audience just as the joker would. I feel like Jerimiah was a bit to calculating and lacked that showman quality that really makes the joker the "Clown Prince".
@shehzerkharal7092
@shehzerkharal7092 Жыл бұрын
@@strigzs5681 You think you’re late to the fandom 😢😭😭
@rojui5912
@rojui5912 3 жыл бұрын
Harley, but not Harley. There can be multiple live action Flash, Superman and Batman, but only one live action Harley. She's more protected than Roman Reigns.
@atomicsodium
@atomicsodium 3 жыл бұрын
Just like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
@Strictly_Super
@Strictly_Super 3 жыл бұрын
@@atomicsodium god knows what the mcu will do to wolverine since they acquired fox a while ago.
@marlonclark1896
@marlonclark1896 3 жыл бұрын
@@Strictly_Super can't be that bad
@rajarshisantra8203
@rajarshisantra8203 2 жыл бұрын
@@marlonclark1896 "can't be that bad" quicksilver would like to have a word
@GoodOlRoll
@GoodOlRoll 8 ай бұрын
The Roman Reigns part has aged like a fine wine
@Atomic_Comic2077
@Atomic_Comic2077 3 жыл бұрын
Alternative universe: Gotham is still playing right now!
@tristan8305
@tristan8305 3 жыл бұрын
What an amazing universe
@demo3456
@demo3456 3 жыл бұрын
Gotham never existed...my universe
@tristan8305
@tristan8305 3 жыл бұрын
@@demo3456 what a boring universe.
@icon_godey
@icon_godey 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck make a dimension machine
@silverloveguns
@silverloveguns 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@cultusfetus
@cultusfetus 3 жыл бұрын
at this point i want you talk about every character in the show 🤣 especially victor zsasz. him, edward nygma, oswald and jerome carried the show imo
@kildotgaming
@kildotgaming 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say this show had the best version of Alfred too.
@talkaboutnowt6644
@talkaboutnowt6644 2 жыл бұрын
I love Victor. Man is surrounded by cops and just says "Hey guys! Whats up?"
@divbuster007
@divbuster007 2 жыл бұрын
@@kildotgaming yes i absolutely connected with alfred . Sean Pertwee played the perfect role imo .
@crazystupidgamer
@crazystupidgamer 2 жыл бұрын
Echo's personality changing drastically after a head injury might not be so far from the truth. Psychological studies show that people with brain injuries are more likely to have Psychological disorders due to the physical trauma cased to the brain. This can also be seen happening with some real life serial killers.
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Жыл бұрын
yeah I know right, it's common sense. Serial killers? That's horrifying.
@wayneigoe6722
@wayneigoe6722 Жыл бұрын
Now as to the bullet being able to rattle around in her head, that's another story entirely...
@crazystupidgamer
@crazystupidgamer Жыл бұрын
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Yes indeed. Some of the serial killers that had head injuries that lead to a shift in their behavior include Son of Sam, The dateline killer, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, etc.
@crazystupidgamer
@crazystupidgamer Жыл бұрын
@@wayneigoe6722 😅 yup.
@JackRabs
@JackRabs Жыл бұрын
I definitely wouldn’t be the same if I never had so many head injuries. I’m not insane though. Just a little slow. Lmao
@tokyodeathghoul2313
@tokyodeathghoul2313 Жыл бұрын
While at first I didn't really care for Barbara, she eventually became one of my absolute favorites somehow. After her brief insanity period, around the point of her resurrection, she began to really shine and become a truly fascinating character. I'm so glad they decided to drop the Harley Quinn act and make Barbara her own character, and even practically a completely original character to the show. Yes there are certainly some very high ups and some very very low downs, but I can't help but love the character.
@Fairly-odd-kel
@Fairly-odd-kel 3 жыл бұрын
I clicked for more Gotham, stayed because this channel is epic
@oscardiaz4792
@oscardiaz4792 3 жыл бұрын
Where shorties into this smh
@schnarfschnarf5886
@schnarfschnarf5886 3 жыл бұрын
I clicked for Vee, stayed to get Kel J to hit me back. Simone simone
@Fairly-odd-kel
@Fairly-odd-kel 3 жыл бұрын
@@schnarfschnarf5886 Clicked the likey button haha
@xo_knives8763
@xo_knives8763 3 жыл бұрын
Gotham 😍😍😍
@achavez8836
@achavez8836 2 жыл бұрын
Got you to 69, enjoy 👌
@VideoGameVillians
@VideoGameVillians 3 жыл бұрын
Barbara certainly seems to have been intended at one point to be a version of Harley, but it also seems quite clear that they dropped that idea before the end, instead moving towards the second character to be, and more blatantly, Harley. I would guess they had ideas for her that would no longer work with what they were doing with Joker so they had to change her to someone else and make a new Harley.
@nakmuay7705
@nakmuay7705 2 жыл бұрын
What you said about it being unbelievable that a bullet to the head would change someone's personality completely- a severe concussion can do it so a bullet would too. A head injury can also cause someone to become a mathematical genius or speak in a foreign accent. A dramatic personality shift from a bullet to the brain is well within the realm of possibility.
@samleaburn9346
@samleaburn9346 2 жыл бұрын
From the child that brought you Peter Kay’s DW monster- an analysis of Harley Quinn.
@eldongrimes2306
@eldongrimes2306 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished watching this show and I loved it, really wish we got the 7 seasons 😪
@SA80TAGE
@SA80TAGE 3 жыл бұрын
Harley Quinn was ALWAYS over-sexualised... her og costume might as well be body paint.... on top of that in the animated series she's seen wearing sexy lingerie asking Joker to "ride his Harley" _in a kids cartoon_
@ethanthamouse6695
@ethanthamouse6695 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...... But it's probably because that's the tragedy of her character joker uses her its fucked cause she loves him like any girlfriend would or maybe more but she is so wrapped around his finger she will do what he wants and try to get any ounce of love or whatever she thinks is his equivalent so yeah but that's not exactly her character
@alexanderruzicka1993
@alexanderruzicka1993 3 жыл бұрын
Batman was never kids cartoon.
@telekmorgan5414
@telekmorgan5414 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderruzicka1993 batman the animated series come in
@alexanderruzicka1993
@alexanderruzicka1993 3 жыл бұрын
@@telekmorgan5414 in the animated series there was always hidden dark jokes,there was always violence and deaths,so not for kids.
@telekmorgan5414
@telekmorgan5414 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderruzicka1993 come on every Comic kid watched that show in the 90s
@xo_knives8763
@xo_knives8763 3 жыл бұрын
Gotham was lit AsF i loved all their episodes, the plot was awesome and made sense and the action was packed! Sucks it ended
@lifeisberserk9566
@lifeisberserk9566 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% man ive rewatched the show like 3 times it never gets old everybody is casted perfectly and the villans are awesome plus it's in my top 3 favorite shows
@darkodarko9
@darkodarko9 3 жыл бұрын
i loved it too.. accept two things.. ra's al ghul and the fact that bruce openly mixed in every police work..everyone should know he is the batmen the first night he apears :)
@divbuster007
@divbuster007 2 жыл бұрын
@@darkodarko9 yeah as the same day he comes back , same day batman comes and no one met bruce yet . everyone should know .
@yaboireptarstreams6013
@yaboireptarstreams6013 3 жыл бұрын
Make a vid about ed In my opinion hes the best riddler ever
@zorawarsingh6795
@zorawarsingh6795 3 жыл бұрын
agredd both ozzie and ed are the best penguin and riddler respectively cuz they are the least comical pushovers
@cultusfetus
@cultusfetus 3 жыл бұрын
yes!! i really love gotham because to me the actors play their character well. i really cant see victor zsasz without it being played by anthony carrigan
@jay_jade94
@jay_jade94 3 жыл бұрын
Y E S
@yomanh
@yomanh 2 жыл бұрын
@@zorawarsingh6795 riddler yes live action yes, penguin no chance devito
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 9 ай бұрын
I liked both Barbra Kean and Ecco in Gotham Ecco was a prototype Harley Quinn.
@somethingofascientist5764
@somethingofascientist5764 3 жыл бұрын
I love how Kevin Conroy smiles after saying 'same bat-time, same bat-channel!' In the outro, you can tell he's wanted to say that for years.
@SunShine-xc6dh
@SunShine-xc6dh Жыл бұрын
Firmly believe both Ecco and Jerome were 'killed' for the sole fact that Gotham could say see they werent actually joker and Harley because we killed them
@TheStormbringer8751
@TheStormbringer8751 6 ай бұрын
But it wouldn't matter if they did or not, the show just ended. They could have been whatever and lived. It's just the show ended.
@nexern3211
@nexern3211 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how they didn’t have the right to the characters that they, did better than the people with the actual rights to them.
@TheWhiteWolf6911
@TheWhiteWolf6911 2 жыл бұрын
I agree up to the bullet "inexplicably" changing her crazy, even though yes comic logic is weird sometimes there are countless real world events where someone has lost or injured a massive portion of the brain a result in massive personality shifts even the overnight fluency in a language they had never even heard before, there was one particular famous case where a man in the early 1900s I believe had a railway spike shot through his skull and survive, however after the incident he was much more emotionless and displayed personality shifts, I believe his name was Phineas Gage if you're interested, but long story short it is entirely plausible to suffer brain trauma like a gun shot and act entirely different mentally afterwards
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Жыл бұрын
The White Wolf 6911 even without knowing about this stuff about the railway spike guy, I do now because of college but I watched this pre-college so common sense dictates a bullet to the brain will change you if not kill you
@TheWhiteWolf6911
@TheWhiteWolf6911 Жыл бұрын
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Couldn't agree more lol
@kaydencemacaskill8551
@kaydencemacaskill8551 3 жыл бұрын
While I respect the Barbara/Echo series, I do not appreciate the Margot Robbie slander. She was phenomenal and in no ways is it her fault for being overly sexualized. In the comics she is very overly sexualized and not to mention Robbie mentioned she wasn’t comfortable with all of it, however a role is a role and i’m sure she was more excited to play such a.. complex character. Margot did a fantastic job in Birds of Prey and it was really annoying to see how you guys completely disrespected her entire performance based on something she had little to no control over.
@headachestudios1
@headachestudios1 3 жыл бұрын
Suicide Squad & Birds of prey both sucked ass because of M Robbies inflated ego! Eco is the true live adaptation we've ever had so far which I thank & applaud Gotham very much for! : )
@clown-cult96
@clown-cult96 3 жыл бұрын
Shut up, simp.
@grinsplit444
@grinsplit444 3 жыл бұрын
Both of those movies weren't that good so you're talking bull.
@kaydencemacaskill8551
@kaydencemacaskill8551 3 жыл бұрын
@@headachestudios1 Funny, because many would argue the only reason Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey, AND The Suicide Squad is popular is mostly because of Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn.
@kaydencemacaskill8551
@kaydencemacaskill8551 3 жыл бұрын
@@grinsplit444 Suicide Squad wasn’t good overall, Margot Robbie killed that role though and made it enjoyable. Birds of Prey on the other hand, please explain how it was bad.
@mikeking4349
@mikeking4349 3 жыл бұрын
Love the show or hate the show (I personally loved it) ya gotta the em an A for effort. Such a shame it got cancelled and they had to hotshot the finale. A proper and well prepared season finale would have been awesome
@thegoldavenger.3829
@thegoldavenger.3829 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine what it would have been like if we got a proper reveal of Batman actually fighting thugs instead of what we got
@mikeking4349
@mikeking4349 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegoldavenger.3829 well they did their best trying to turn chicken shit to chicken salad
@andrei_chikatil0
@andrei_chikatil0 4 ай бұрын
@@thegoldavenger.3829 considering that last season got 12 series, and each before got 22. 22 !!! With this 10 missing, I can only imagine what huge parts of Batman’s & no man’s land arcs were cut 😭
@kienserapio
@kienserapio 3 жыл бұрын
Barbara Kean had the worst character arc in Gotham, she went from Jim's lover (which I was okay with since she was pretty and great) then became a cheating lesbian then into a psycopath then became a mafia boss then a psycopath again then she died then became a league of shadow queen or some shit then into a loving mother of Jim while Jim was married to someone else bruh.
@mag1198
@mag1198 2 жыл бұрын
Barbara is just a killer who still thinks jim is her boyfriend
@aurahoneydew9607
@aurahoneydew9607 3 жыл бұрын
Just proof that DC limiting with "keep characters in mint condition by never using them" itself only makes their endeavors needlessly lame. Gotham would have been off the wall good if they were allowed to really go at the [good] Batman stuff but like the CW we have to deal with another "is Pepsi okay" situation
@fluffynator6222
@fluffynator6222 2 жыл бұрын
Pepsi is better tho.
@KB-zq9ny
@KB-zq9ny Жыл бұрын
The Joker of Suicide Squad was the absolute worst; he made Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn look awesome.
@fsxsickle
@fsxsickle 2 жыл бұрын
The timeline of Barbara: S1; sane. S2;insane. S3;gangster. S4;unstable but sane. S5;sane
@Desthemess413
@Desthemess413 3 жыл бұрын
Bro they literally planned on having her be Harley until they electrocuted her. That was supposed to change her completely but then they decided against it
@giovahnnigucci409
@giovahnnigucci409 3 жыл бұрын
I have not seen this show. I need to watch it.
@timrob12
@timrob12 3 жыл бұрын
Also, that ending to your video. Dear God, I love Cameo.
@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560
@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560 3 жыл бұрын
Dude my 2 favourite channels that talk about Gotham in one video
@timelord2502
@timelord2502 3 жыл бұрын
Loved Barbara kean she is one of my favourite characters in the show
@BK-sh2pn
@BK-sh2pn 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew Barbra was supposed to a Harley Quinn character
@nathantaylor1618
@nathantaylor1618 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the joker girl bruce met at the club who led him to Joe chill, was gonna be Harley's Mother.. which is why she went to school for etc
@ryanlyvers8145
@ryanlyvers8145 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought of this but holy crap I can see this and totally agree
@tristan8305
@tristan8305 3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@DwideShrude
@DwideShrude 3 жыл бұрын
Would have liked to see a crazy Ecco with Jerome instead
@twodogsandadingo3331
@twodogsandadingo3331 3 жыл бұрын
OH SHIT. FIRST TIME I SEE YOUR CHANNEL AND THERE'S A CHANNEL PUP CAMEO? I'm definitely subbing to you now.
@ZeroSA
@ZeroSA 3 жыл бұрын
I saw an upload and I was happy, I saw a reupload and was disappoint.
@MrGoddlie
@MrGoddlie 2 жыл бұрын
that dog is a tale of two Vee infuso...
@jewishjellydonut
@jewishjellydonut 2 жыл бұрын
i love gotham's barbara kean, but i never saw her as a harley quinn stand-in, or even similar to harley at all
@graverobbingcleric2745
@graverobbingcleric2745 3 жыл бұрын
Another Pup crossover? Nice!
@mercymainbtw8132
@mercymainbtw8132 3 жыл бұрын
Gotham is my favorite show ever and im just sad it ended it was SOOO GOOOOD!!!😁
@albinobama5744
@albinobama5744 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think it's good it ended when it did, otherwise it all would have gone incredibly down hill.
@lifeisberserk9566
@lifeisberserk9566 3 жыл бұрын
Smallville and Gotham are my favorite shows
@timrob12
@timrob12 3 жыл бұрын
11:58 - I had not yet heard this Joker's voice properly and boy what a surprise. I though Heath Ledger has come alive again.
@dennapin0
@dennapin0 3 жыл бұрын
Wait I can see the actor that plays Barbara as Harley she would look so good ofc our girl Margo owns the role but still
@darkskein
@darkskein 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't this a reupload... For the third time?
@user-vu5rp1fc4w
@user-vu5rp1fc4w 3 жыл бұрын
yeah I'm real confused no one else seems to be commenting on it
@virus1244
@virus1244 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-vu5rp1fc4w did I imagine when this was two different videos?
@HASANIWORLD
@HASANIWORLD 3 жыл бұрын
The first one was focused on Barbara, the second on Ecco and this one is a combination of the two
@randallflagg3700
@randallflagg3700 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really mind, since it's more convenient to watch these episodes (the 3 Jokers one and this one; I'm not sure which one is the 3rd reupload), and it brings some free clicks for the channel... But it would be nice to put a *[reupload/compilation]* in the description. (I understand not putting it in the title, as it would brings in fewer viewers I guess)
@limitlessgamer7470
@limitlessgamer7470 3 жыл бұрын
i mean the actor who played Jim in Gotham also once played batman
@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel
@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel 3 жыл бұрын
Wait what?! When?! I need to see this!
@limitlessgamer7470
@limitlessgamer7470 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel search up batman year one
@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel
@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel 3 жыл бұрын
@@limitlessgamer7470 No way! I've seen that film! Never knew it was Ben Mackenzie though
@marlonclark1896
@marlonclark1896 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsaWhinyWorldmyyoutubechannel yep he voiced him in batman year
@SpookySammy
@SpookySammy 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a re-upload? I've seen both parts in separate videos. I only just realised after watching the first part 🤣😂🤣
@abdullahal-hugbani268
@abdullahal-hugbani268 3 жыл бұрын
It’s just like the joker trilogy video it’s 2 videos mashed up
@Insane-Howl-Cowl
@Insane-Howl-Cowl 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion
@Songvsgaming
@Songvsgaming 4 ай бұрын
I started watching the show because of KZbin compilations. I remember the first time I saw Barbara my first thought was she was Harley Quinn. It wasn’t until I found out she was Jim’s wife that I realized it wasn’t her. Also with echo even though she was with Jeremiah I was still questioning if that is Harley Quinn.
@AceBobcat
@AceBobcat 3 жыл бұрын
"Eddie McDowd can bite it!" I get that reference!
@talkaboutnowt6644
@talkaboutnowt6644 2 жыл бұрын
I much prefer Ecco to Margot Robbie's Harley. The writers of Margot's Harley consistently make the character act dumb. But Harley isn't dumb. She's intelligent but her mind is warped by insanity. Thats how Ecco seems to me
@kildotgaming
@kildotgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn is extremely over rated
@Starwarsdude8221991
@Starwarsdude8221991 3 жыл бұрын
That ending line I feel ya man
@DANIELGORMANN
@DANIELGORMANN 3 жыл бұрын
playing an instrumental version of the joan jett song that was used in the beginning of birds of prey is clever
@EscapeArt15
@EscapeArt15 2 жыл бұрын
A bullet yo the head causing personality change is not unlike Phineous Gage. Phineous, had a railroad spike lodge through his head. Instead of killing him, it distinctly changed his personality.
@LordofFullmetal
@LordofFullmetal Жыл бұрын
I mean, there's a HUGE precedent for brain damage causing personality changes. Your brain IS your personality. So obviously, if the parts of your brain that control your personality are damaged, that changes who you are. It actually happens a lot, where someone suffers brain damage and comes out a totally different person.
@alvilla3325
@alvilla3325 3 жыл бұрын
I always saw her as Harley Quinn except she never had a love relationship with Jerome/Joker if wb wasn’t playing stupid with licenses,Gotham would of had the best most realistic joker and Harley Quinn
@kidanarchy2105
@kidanarchy2105 2 жыл бұрын
I love the adjacent Todd T shirt.
@GamerSlyRatchet1
@GamerSlyRatchet1 3 жыл бұрын
They had no idea what to do with her character. Same with Ivy, who switched roles and personalities often.
@armanhammer18
@armanhammer18 3 жыл бұрын
They did Ivy’s character like a flower. She went from a seed to a bud to full bloom. That’s why they changed actresses. The writers wanted to show Ivy’s development like a plant.
@GamerSlyRatchet1
@GamerSlyRatchet1 3 жыл бұрын
@@armanhammer18 I'm not just talking about the aging thing, though. They wanted her kid self to be a romantic rival to Selina, but that didn't pan out. She was supposed to be seductive and plot against Bruce after the age-up before they just made her Penguin's goofy sidekick for a good while. By the time they finally figured her out, it was too late. There is no consistent direction.
@james1861
@james1861 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought Tobey and Andrew were going to fight when they first saw eachother. It makes sense. Especially the way they looked at eachother!
@theepicwolfnetwork5220
@theepicwolfnetwork5220 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@katerinaquinn5482
@katerinaquinn5482 2 жыл бұрын
The barbara keen version of Harley Quinn was awesome I didn't care for the Barbara that was sucking up to ras al ghul that much I like the really crazy version better and then ultimately the gorgeous redhead at the end
@Taiyougetsu13
@Taiyougetsu13 3 жыл бұрын
It is the year 2021 and I just watched a youtube video with an Eddie McDowd reference. We live in the wildest timeline.
@eyelessJamie
@eyelessJamie 2 жыл бұрын
Channel pup was the creator of the absorbalof from doctor who
@kazinadbiralamadit6905
@kazinadbiralamadit6905 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Vee a big fan here can you do a video about the Arrowverse. I want to hear your thoughts on how they managed to do a live-action multiverse before anyone else, also how their bizarre casting choices worked with them (for better or worse) while not working(somtimes) with the DCEU. Also love your video.
@manontheemooon2335
@manontheemooon2335 3 жыл бұрын
Hes too busy reuploading videos to do new ones
@paulafitzhenry1036
@paulafitzhenry1036 2 жыл бұрын
i love margot robbie and all verisons Harley Quinn, she is a bad ass.
@richardnixon846
@richardnixon846 3 жыл бұрын
PUP IS A FELLOW MYSTERIO FAN, YEAH BABY!!!
@mikemoss6045
@mikemoss6045 11 ай бұрын
10:15 i got the reference.. kind of sucks they never really finished it.
@robertohull5048
@robertohull5048 Жыл бұрын
Vee i like your vids on Gotham and really dig your takes on the characters yet Barbara Kean being a precursor or cut-out of Harley is the one notion I can not agree with and such a comparison does . Barbara a great disservice from day one, Barbara Kean was out for self her alliances outside of Tabitha were always means to a end as opposed to loyalty and gotham gave depth to a known yet faceless character you can see this Barbara being the mother of Batgirl/Oracle
@ZaksAnimangaReviews15
@ZaksAnimangaReviews15 3 жыл бұрын
20:26 is great
@gizel4376
@gizel4376 2 күн бұрын
Barbara was an interesting take on the character, i think at some point they jsut realize the character they have created wasn't compatible with the joker they wanna did, i mean they could had push it, but it would have feeled off, sometimes you just have to let story write itself
@navyswimer89
@navyswimer89 3 жыл бұрын
Eddie Mcdowed never did become human again.
@SvanEsch123
@SvanEsch123 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Barbara Kean was one of my favorite characters on Gotham. She was badass, one of the major crime lords in the city at one point, and I was always excited to see what she was going to do next. Also, I think Margot Robbie is one of the best Harleys we’ve had. I thought the general consensus was that Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn was one of the redeeming aspects of the Suicide Squad movie:)
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Жыл бұрын
Sam van Esch Women hate the margot harley because they aren't like other girls and it's an overused Halloween item, fair enough. But other than overhype even if she wasn't a 1-to-1 of the character, I thought she was very entertaining, probably one of my favorite versions. Maybe just not a harley fan. But they tried to make her more like the TAS version in the two sequels especially The Suicide Squad moreso. I just thing everything from design to everything about this harley was my favorite. Maybe some more harleyquinn esque elements would have added though. I think I get why people hate it now
@zippitybopumdotupbum7740
@zippitybopumdotupbum7740 3 жыл бұрын
Pup’s deep voice scared the shit out of me
@deffy343
@deffy343 3 жыл бұрын
barbara was more of a harley quinn than the harley quinn imposter person
@TimilehinOlaokun
@TimilehinOlaokun 2 жыл бұрын
10:16 I'm wondering if it is a good or bad thing that I understand this reference
@giovahnnigucci409
@giovahnnigucci409 3 жыл бұрын
Does Vee have a beef with Hannibal? At the very bottom of his latest intros it says, “So suck it Hannibal.”
@brendensinner610
@brendensinner610 3 жыл бұрын
Somewhere out there rn Eddie better get started on them Good deeds
@fletcherhamilton3177
@fletcherhamilton3177 3 жыл бұрын
I actually preferred a 'grungy' don't-give-a-rat's 'Harley' over the Margot Robbie 'bimbo'-style Harley. I'd say she'd also be way more in keeping with the Heath Ledger 'rough and dirty' aesthetic.
@InsanaGotham
@InsanaGotham 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@mini_mew775
@mini_mew775 3 жыл бұрын
I preferred Barbara and Jerome's chemistry
@barryxallxn5892
@barryxallxn5892 3 жыл бұрын
Well Barbara and echo are both very Harley Like characters. But in my opinion echo did a better job of being a Harley type character than Barbara Kean at least to me
@KellyClement
@KellyClement 3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny that Jerome runs from a lady guard who is half his size; what if Barbara was that short?
@theonewhoseeks4880
@theonewhoseeks4880 3 жыл бұрын
what it really comes to is that Gotham writers didn't know what to do with Barbra so they made her close to Harley Quinn as possible then once rating started to fall then thats when they kinda dropped her and started the new Harley Quinn. Gotham is a mess on writing only example i need is Fishmoony
@joenguyen5778
@joenguyen5778 3 жыл бұрын
@vee infuso OH MY FUCK! EDDIE MCDOWD!!!
@darthbullymaguire2072
@darthbullymaguire2072 3 жыл бұрын
Can you also make a trilogy about the riddler and the penguin
@sharonfrancis7663
@sharonfrancis7663 3 жыл бұрын
Yea they are the best
@andrei_chikatil0
@andrei_chikatil0 4 ай бұрын
Just two pidors casually banging each other ❤😂
@dananyb9857
@dananyb9857 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who's only recently started getting into DC Comics, I have to say that I absolutely hate that there's a dude called BRUCE TIM working on Batman stuff. Every time I hear "Bruce-Tim-Era", I immediately think that it's about Tim's run as Robin. But NO! It's talking about that dude....
@michaellabonte6390
@michaellabonte6390 2 жыл бұрын
I agree and disagree. He made some of the best batman content once. He led the art department for Mask of the Phantssm and all of the batman animated series. It's just later when he had more agency and worked on things by himself that he did fuck shit with batman. Example= the killing joke
@zackgero4693
@zackgero4693 3 жыл бұрын
Damm they claimed you instantly 😅
@gontagokaharu7638
@gontagokaharu7638 Жыл бұрын
Am I the only person to have hated Alfred in this show. He was so annoying, and wanted so bad to be Bruce’s dad. And fails as a parent completely. He also was so nosy, like sir your his butler.
@shocktrooperstudios659
@shocktrooperstudios659 3 жыл бұрын
Of course we can have multiple Live action flash’s, Superman’s, and Batman’s. But NOOOOOOO. We can’t possibly have multiple live action Joker’s or Harley Quinn’s.
@disneyerapowerrangers2923
@disneyerapowerrangers2923 2 жыл бұрын
Deadshot and waller also. Arrow had to kill off the 2 because of suicide squad.
@shocktrooperstudios659
@shocktrooperstudios659 2 жыл бұрын
@@disneyerapowerrangers2923 oh yeah. They did do that.
@0TheJigsawKiller0
@0TheJigsawKiller0 2 жыл бұрын
this show is incredible because the characters are all so likeable except the ones you're supposed to hate like mayor aubrey and commissioner loeb. i found myself rooting for the "bad guys" like jerome and victor zsasz more than i care to admit. i can't pick a favourite character because they're all as flawed as each other
@jokerboii913
@jokerboii913 3 жыл бұрын
u do make a point hopefully we will get a season 6.
@elmosvedjeback6463
@elmosvedjeback6463 3 жыл бұрын
we wont
@BatmanKnightfan
@BatmanKnightfan 2 жыл бұрын
I’m in love with Erin Richards she’s so gorgeous. ❤️😍❤️😍❤️😍♥️😍♥️🥰🥰🥰🥰
@ukuviispert9599
@ukuviispert9599 3 жыл бұрын
Barbara was decent and enjoyabke fir the first few episode or even the first season, after that she was all over thr place
@jordonhanlan
@jordonhanlan 3 жыл бұрын
Barbara Kean was great after season 1 .
@homelandersolosfiction
@homelandersolosfiction 3 жыл бұрын
hmm Penguin next?
@tilldeprez8050
@tilldeprez8050 3 жыл бұрын
I think Jerome should have stayed joker and Jeremiha should be Gotham’s tribute to hush
@ManOfX305
@ManOfX305 3 жыл бұрын
There's no need for that when Thomas Elliot has already been introduced.
@Dougdenslowe714
@Dougdenslowe714 2 жыл бұрын
The only character that ,in my opinion, missed the mark was Rauls Al Gaul (I know it’s misspelled)!
@DanielBorden.17
@DanielBorden.17 3 жыл бұрын
18:39 where is this from?
@hhvnt
@hhvnt 3 жыл бұрын
Suicide Squad kill the Justice League It’s a game releasing next year
@jaylin.b_tv
@jaylin.b_tv 3 жыл бұрын
Haven’t watched this in a while but I wanted I forget her name oh barber to become harlequin
@FREEZETODEATH
@FREEZETODEATH 7 ай бұрын
Do a vic zsasz breakdown
@eliasdifrancesco4603
@eliasdifrancesco4603 3 жыл бұрын
WhT up Veeeeeeee
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