Gotham series premiere review

[@35antonio]

This show got so much better. I'm loving season 2!

[@PabloEscobar-vq6kn]

I liked season 1 more. Season 2 kinda dragged for me. I did like Hugo Strange a lot though.

[@tyflyproductions2358]

Pablo Escobar true. But season 3 is amazing

[@Hgh38]

Each season got better except for the last one

[@BatmanHQYT]

Your stuff about the Easter eggs was spot-on, but I think this show is still very compelling, beautifully shot, excels in tone, and has an impeccable cast. It does have its flaws but come on, we're still in the pilot stage here. I hate it when people judge an entire show by the few 2 or 3 episodes. It needs to grow and reach a specific point at which it has gained enough confidence to go bold and go unique. So far, I'm still loving it.

[@krisfarted]

Shouldn't you be protecting gotham

[@hammeredouthomebrew626]

Kristopher Juarez He is protecting Gotham.....from critics

[@DrGnockerz]

John Henry You win comment of the day.

[@colesamoth4353]

I'm hoping it gets better. However, in my personal opinion, the comic book elements being tossed in here, alongside the darkly realistic tones... don't seem to mesh well at certain points. I mean, part of what makes a lot of these crazy characters interesting, IS how subtle they are: the Joker and the Riddler can go either way (at this point, so could Cobblepot). Getting to the point of the characters, should be a lengthy road (somewhere in the middle in terms of pacing), and a carefully handled one at that. Particularly with Edward Nigma, Pamela Isley and the Joker (seeing as Bruce is still a kid and all). But, it's all subjective, of course. It's only been two episodes.

[@dignerds]

Cole Samoth I don't think the way this show has portrayed these characters is that far at all away from being subtle ....in fact they are still a far cry from who they will be.... their unique personality quirks are strongly depicted ..that's it. Personally I'm tired of "muted" characters in comic book live action...this show is BOLD and has a lot to say....this lore is rich with opportunity ,so they can afford to get to the point..anyway that's the way I see it....

[@bluecoast0606]

I actually really love the show. :/

[@wehateyourlife7987]

It got better haha

[@mysteriouscoconut73]

I really like Oswald in the show.

[@tyspyranger]

Jeremy should review the season finale, or the season as a whole like he does with Arrow.

[@robertovaldivia1573]

He probably lose interest and stopped watching

[@robertovaldivia1573]

*lost

[@00maniacmanny00]

+Roberto Valdivia But it's a great show

[@tyspyranger]

00maniacmanny00 It really isn't, at all.

[@thatguywhoenragedwilldoall8233]

+tyspyranger It really is though, really.

[@isaacrascon6776]

Jeremy I'm always amazed how you can sound EXACTLY the same every time you say the whole "Have you seen it? Let me know.. If you like what you seen here and you wanna see more.." lol like seriously how do you sound exactly the same every single time xD

[@JackSmith-kr7tt]

I think he made a deal with Satan...

[@masterbuilder4708]

Anyone know that the actor of Alfred is the son of John Pertwee, the british actor who played the 3rd Doctor in Doctor Who?

[@soup2634]

Huh. I did not. Neat trivia :)

[@ChadtheDJguy]

*Jon, but yes it's awesome.

[@GhostMotley]

Sean Pertwee also has a child called Alfred

[@masterbuilder4708]

GhostMotleyXT Ok didn't know that XD

[@heatherdowden5275]

Huh neat

[@War624]

The thing that bothers me is how old the villains are. They're gonna be old as hell by the time Bruce becomes Batman.

[@darrellglover493]

Penguin ALWAYS been older than Batman. Riddler's age vary depending on the comic book era, and even with that he's only like 10-12 years older which makes little difference if Batman emerges in his mid-20's and Riddler is like in his 30's. Catwoman on the show is 13 which is virtually the same age as Bruce on the show.

[@dcskaeur]

I don't think they're supposed to be easter eggs. Gotham is basically one huge origin story of Gordon, Batman, and all the villains, so it makes sense that they tell you "Here's Batman, here's Catwoman, here's the Riddler, here's Poison Ivy, and here are their origin stories" instead of being like "this might be the Riddler, so we'll see what happens to him for a while and if he isn't then we have wasted your time and screw you lol yolo"

[@EARTHSOUL_Asm]

I agree as a fan of batman I like that they have all the Easter eggs of villains

[@Junji_Seishin]

+dcskaeur I feel like they spelled it out too much with Catwoman. It's so obvious she is who she is, not even a minute into the first episode. Any fan of the series would know her as Selina if they decided to call her by that

[@dcskaeur]

***** And that's bad why?

[@Junji_Seishin]

+dcskaeur it's obnoxious

[@dcskaeur]

***** Definition of obnoxious is highly objectionable or offensive. Are you offended? Then be offended silently.

[@oliver9549]

It got better.

[@TotalCha0s1]

thank fuck for that

[@DravisACard]

And now it's cancelled. Guess it didn't.

[@pierce8878]

Dra'vis A. Card It wasn’t cancelled

[@CJEJTHEDJ]

I haven't seen it, but I'm making an instant comparison between the characters at 1:42 and the twins for Bioshock: Infinite by that description and their appearance.

[@Eastboy122]

The can't have the Waynes parents being alive in the show because it defeats the purpose of what the show is about. Gotham is a Jim Gordon centric show. Not Waynes centric, if the Bruce wanes parents are alive then they can't introduce Jim Gordon because he's first day at work in GPD is when they got murdered. Also i disagree on the Bruce Wayne training himself/burning his hand part. I don't see him trainings himself to be batman..i see a 11 year old boy with huge expectation on his shoulders because his parents are one of the most powerful people in Gotham trying to deal with the traumatic experience of see his parents getting shot right in front of him. he was listening to rock music and drawing some disturbing shit on the note book trying to deal with whats happening. Even Even Alfred said he has nightmare, cutting himself. I think people are jumping to the conclusion when he says "I'am testing myself" people immediately think "Oh he's testing himself to be batman" just because they already know he going to be batman in the futures Instead of thinking "oh he's testing himself so he can deal with the horrific and traumatic experience he's has experienced" Also i disagree with the character aren't being flushed out...it really hard to flushing out multiple character in the span of only two episodes." I agree with the tone though. i feel like the trying to find what tone there trying to go for. First episode was meh. But i liked the second episode. I gave this show 8 more episode before i say i like it or not.

[@TheKnight212]

In regards to the Waynes stuff, the people behind the show have already admitted there will be changes to the lore and it's going to have its on spin on things. So they very easily could have had Jim Gordon being a cop while the Waynes are alive, they could even have had the Waynes interact with Gordon and let Gordon see not everyone in Gotham is corrupt. That way when they are killed it could have had a more deeper impact for Gordon and just give a bit more of an emotional feel to the show. There was potential there to do something with the Waynes and it was wasted.

[@Eastboy122]

Good point but people can also make the argument of that it could complicate the story even more rather then improve it. On paper is sounds awesome but executing it is different story. if Jim Gordon a cop trying to fix Gotham and the police system while Selina kyle story going on and the penguins storyline is playing about. And now add the wayne family and falcone storyline will complicate thing in show in my opinion. Hell people are already unhappy with too many storyline and character being put in the show even though it the second episode, imagine what happens if they add the Wayne family aspect to it. But that's just my opinion . Some people may find that Wayne family aspect cool and now a wasted opportunity but for me i rather see how greatly the Waynes death have a negative impact on the city and, causes the rise of the villains we see today and see how Bruce and Jim Gordon deals with it.

[@TheKnight212]

Eastboy122 I'm not saying the Waynes needed to play a big part, and they could tie in with all of those storylines. Selina Kyle tries to pickpocket Thomas Wayne, but she is still leaning the ropes and Wayne catches her, instead of turning her in he hears her story, and gives her some money then gives her some advice. Cobblepot, in some versions of The Penguin his family has a history with the Waynes and Cobblepot hates them, that could easily be fitted in as well with just a few off hand comments or a confrontation with them, just something minor that would show the history, make a connection but wouldn't require much more storyline. The Falcone story would be a bit bigger but still wouldn't require much, maybe the mob is angry at the Waynes because they are the shining light of Gotham and can't be bribed and have caused the mob some problems, not a big issue but enough to warrant some remarks from Falcone and other mobsters about it. Then you have Jim Gordon, a new cop in Gotham, who has hope to make it a better place, but after a couple months he starts seeing all the corruption and starts losing faith, feeling everyone in Gotham is corrupt, one day though he sees Selina Kyle a young girl pickpocket a very obviously rich looking man, but she gets caught, Jim starts walking over ready to do his job, as he gets closer he hears Selina telling Thomas Wayne her story and why she is pickpocketing, Jim feels sorry for her but knows that the rich people of Gotham don't care, but then Thomas Wayne takes all the money out of his wallet and gives it to Selina, then gives her some advice on finding a better life and such. Jim watches her leave and then goes up to Wayne, shows him his badge and asks why he helped that girl even though she just tried to rob him, Wayne then says something along the lines of "I have plenty of money while that girl doesn't, the job of the rich isn't to look down upon people with less, but to strive to help them, to help give them hope that things will get better". This renews Jims faith that what he is doing is the right thing to do and that he can't give up, and that not everyone in Gotham is corrupt. Then a few months later the Waynes are killed and Jim, Selina, The Falcones everyone has a reaction to it and it actually has an impact on the show. The audience feels more emotion and it adds another layer of depth to the show. Sorry to ramble on so much but I got caught up in writing that lol. But it just shows there was a potential there to give the Waynes death more meaning and also have them as just minor characters that don't overfill the already full storylines going on, they just add a little extra to those storylines.

[@KabbalahSherry]

NatsuDragneel21 I got all caught up in reading that! LOL I LOVE DC fans! True ones! You're the best! (;-D

[@TheKnight212]

KabbalahSherry Lol thanks :).

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

I liked it, and I'm definitely going to finish out the season, but there are three things which bugged me. 1) They're forcing way too many of Batman's rogues gallery in way too fast. 2) The tone is all over the place. You have Jada Pinkett Smith playing this campy over-the-top bad guy, and then you have a guy run up with his eyes poked out by a 13 year old girl. 3) Alfred doesn't act very much like Alfred.

[@thetick3694]

I actually did like Alfred very much

[@SeanChandlerTalksAbout]

@@thetick3694 HIs really harsh in the first episodes

[@thetick3694]

@@SeanChandlerTalksAbout yes he was but over the first season he became better and more caring

[@xXRagingInfernoXx]

It's episodic in the beginning but past episode 10, it's so interesting seeing the mobs fight each other. Especially Penguin

[@greeciequibby8477]

Loads of people seem to not like young Bruce Wayne but him and Selina Kyle were my favourite characters! I thought he was just the person he needed to be and the kid who plays him (and Selina) was really good!

[@chadmerriman8684]

I thought the exact same thing when bruce was burning himself, "So you are already training to be batman after about a week of your parents being dead..................... whats mourning".

[@darrellglover493]

I do not see why not. Bruce died the same night his parents had, so everything from that POINT on is him evolving into TDK. Having him sitting back and grieving will defeat the COMPLETE reason he becomes Batman. Bruce is a tortured soul that never truly grieved and let go. It MAKES PERFECT sense for him to immediately starting that transition.

[@chadmerriman8684]

That makes sense, but because of how some parts of the show are put together (the cartoony callouts for all the villains) i guess i saw it more as the show not giving the character time to grow and rushing it. I guess the creators are worryed they will get canceled because they are in fox so they are packing in as much as possible, i will say i am exicted to see what they do with other villains from the new trailer that came out.

[@WhiteWolfiee]

Lets admit that Cobblepot will steal the show! He acts really good as a psycho. Shame that he isnt the joker!

[@MrGlasses94]

now that you so that he could of be a really great joker cause of how he acts now as Penguin

[@alexman378]

4Reaper45 He also has the thin and long head, the nose and the smile. I don't think that nose is fake, he has it on interviews, but then again so does the rest of his costume, so... I believe he will be the first Penguin (counting movies, cartoons, comics and games) that will generate a fanbase.

[@HoustonSoto]

Nah, I am glad he is Oswald. The Penguin got the cold shoulder from Chris Nolan, and he is barely respected as a true Batman villain nowadays. Robin Lord Taylor is literally reclaiming the Penguin's glory with such a dynamic character. Flawed, ambitious, sympathetic, but utterly insane.

[@apocalyptikkat1001]

He's great in the show, but since you mentioned The Joker, I don't think they should introduce him into the show at all or until the very end, just so it can be like the comics.

[@oliviadaly2108]

John Curcio i completely agree with you

[@Amillerbiller95]

Having the Wayne parents be main characters would've been great. Maybe have them go out with the Elliot's and have young Bruce interacting with a young Hush. Now I'm kind of mad they didn't do that

[@erifortes87]

Gotham is an amazing tv show. I just started watching it and now I can't stop. I'm so addicted. Love Gotham. 375

[@EARTHSOUL_Asm]

Same

[@ObaREX]

I agreed with you at first but the characters seemed to have fleshed out pretty nicely now. Except Barbara and Renee. I hate them both. On a side note. Glad you like Jim Gordon. It's rather refreshing seeing you actually like a boy scout character.

[@whackthepinata]

I'm honestly surprised by how much I like it

[@moonchild345]

Can you review Gotham season 2 and the trailer for season 3? It gets so SO much better !!

[@Jump-Man]

Senia Sotelo season 4 now Ayyy it's dope

[@themovieraider1028]

Now its all coming to an end 😭😭. But every artist needs a blank kanvas...

[@DravisACard]

I guess it didn't get better because now it's canceled. Lol

[@RedDeadDepressionist]

Dra'vis A. Card it only got canceled because they wanted Bat-Woman. And we all know how that worked out

[@VNYLDNYL]

It actually would've been really interesting to see the SERIES finale actually be the death of the waynes. basically everything in gotham lead UP to that point

[@bestboutgaming3212]

The first season is entertaining chaos but from the second season on it's gold. The story lines can be messy/nonsensical, it's really all about the characters and atmosphere. Everyone is really good in the show.

[@LokiDuck]

I can definitely say the second episode and all other episodes after the first one were a much bigger improvement. You hit the nail on the head about the easter eggs in the pilot (I'm still annoyed that they changed Poison Ivy's really great name of Pamela Isley to Ivy Pepper.) Though out of the show Cobblepot and Bullock are seriously the best characters (Seriously never thought I'd say that about Bullock XD)

[@ItzMorphinTime22]

After watching this review, I all of sudden feel like this show isn't worth my time. They already missed out on the potential. What turns me off the most is how they are already calling each character by their hero/villain name before they even transform into that hero/villain. It's like they think the audience is stupid or something and leave them no opportunity to ponder who could be who....if that makes any sense. So ya...Thank you Jeremy for this review. I will not be wasting my time with this show.

[@ItsYaGameBoi_JR]

who are they calling by their names? penguin is obviously the most outstanding but that's accurate since he was always made fun of when he was younger for it. the ivy thing is a little dumb but it's claimed to be a nickname from the producers so eh. same with Selina but again that's an Easter Egg because they used to call Catwoman The Cat back in the day. They're trying to get the world building out of the way now so it doesn't sit there and equally piss off people for not mentioning the obvious. I don't think they plan on having a lot of seasons, maybe 4 or 5 max, so they're trying to make you understand that Gotham is cesspool of villainy and the birthplace of some of the worst of them. I have a feeling this will lead to a Batman year one show that will build off of this. we will have to see how it unfolds cause a lot of the time the first few episodes of a show suck ass

[@johnnyboy513]

Meh its not really a review just a first "impressions" don't sold off a show before if fleshed out its full potential.

[@lln7065]

I didn't even bother watching it. It seems like Marvel's own garbage show... Agents of Shield.

[@ItzMorphinTime22]

Blu Jay Agents of Shield was actually okay IMHO. At the very least it tied into the movie and Marvel is supposed to be a little corny at least a little more humorous than DC. Plus the show didn't spell everything out for you.

[@lln7065]

rebelnumba2 Probably. I didn't even watch it because I already formed an opinion about the show.

[@OscarHazeGaming]

The "LOOK ITS IN THE BATMAN UNIVERSE" here is the exact same reason I hated The Hobbit so much, because The Hobbit threw so much stuff in your face to say "HEY LOOK ITS THE LORD OF THE RINGS UNIVERSE! BTW LEGOLAS!"

[@PauLtus_B]

It really can't be that hard to come up with a decent tv show that's basically about a good cop in a city that's just a giant corruption hole. And with some subtle references, there are mob families in Batman, have those in there. But indeed, it's "LOOK BATMAN STUFF" and then the Batman stuff just becomes stuff. I like the Hobbit movies somewhat, but still it feels like a very expensive mini series, and it basically could've been one movie, and one that's not 3 hours long. It seems like it's more of a LotR fan fiction movie than an actual movie version of the book, with again, just a lot of stuff. There's so much you could cut out of these movies without changing the bigger story. Also I really don't know how they're planning to fill up a movie with what's left of the story now. Also when I the first trailer came out, I just thought: "They can't use that music!" although of course they can, it's the same people who made it, but it just isn't really worthy...

[@McCaffery]

I thought Ben McKenzie did a terrific job embodying young Jim Gordon, I also like the way you get see the beginning of Gordon's idealistic nature getting chipped at. I would also love to see time jumps between every season so after five seasons it could be ten years later and the last two season could be essentially year one/earth one. I really disliked the eluded to former relationship between Barbra and Renee it felt unnecessary and forcing conflict.

[@REDANDSILVER741]

If they ever plan to on adding batman as the ending or whatever there going to have too. Its going to take at least 15 years before batman even becomes batman

[@McCaffery]

REDANDSILVER741 One year time jumps between each season so after 5 season it's 10 years later and Bruce is what 13 14 15 in the show currently so skip ahead 10 years will be in his 20's perfect for a year one/ earth one Batman.

[@rafficgi7922]

You're assuming Gotham will last 5 seasons. Right now, i wouldnt bet my money on it. Id first see how this show evolves during its current season.

[@McCaffery]

Raffi cgi Amen, it is on Fox but can't help but thinking for the best possible outcome

[@LicoriceLain]

I think the reason they have been pushing the former relationship between Renee and Barbara is because they don't want to write in Kate Kane.

[@brod515]

I wish Jeremy directed this. the way he said all this just made me realize the potential this story has.

[@Groanola]

SPOILER: I kinda didn't understand what this show did with Barbara. She was completely normal for the first season, and then she became a psycho killer during the second season. I feel like they could have done more with her psycho build up rather than going straight into her craziness after one big event happens to her at the end of the first season.

[@andrewgoode7640]

Frostbite Gaming I totally agree. (SPOILER) Especially now that she's doing all that Ras al Gul stuff where's she's apparently the demons head. It feels weird. One of my biggest problems about this show is that in between each season there is an abrupt change that they didn't set up. 1) Barbra becomes a psycho killer 2) Penguin falls in love with riddler for some reason 3) Lee becomes evil and so on. Overall I still enjoy the show a lot but it's weird

[@portiz6283]

Totally Agree! Also Why Would Gordon Name His Future Daughter Barbara After This Lunatic?

[@RedDeadDepressionist]

portiz 62 well, season 5 gave u the answer

[@Daniel-yt7fm]

Agreed. One of the worst characters in the show IMO

[@davidmaglioli7048]

I think the show will follow Jim Gordon for four or five seasons (if it gets that far), and then in season five or so it will jump 15 or 20 years and be more focused on Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. Jim will still be a main part of the show maybe a Lt. in the GCPD on his way up to Commissioner and maybe he'll dislike Batman at first and there will be this whole rivalry between the two, or maybe it will be Jim working with Batman behind Harvey's back like he's doing with Cobblepot now. The thing about Batman is that the lore is so deep and has had so many retellings and refinements that there is no limit to what they can do with the show.

[@goofyedward]

Jeremy, have you seen the other seasons? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[@fable23]

Here's the thing about Easter Eggs: The entire reason they're called Easter Eggs is because _they're supposed to be hidden._ The fun of Easter is in the egg hunt. It's no fun if the eggs are just laying out in the open like 'hey, here I am!' And it's DEFINITELY not fun when there's just some dude throwing the eggs at your face screaming "HEY, LOOK AT THESE COOL EGGS I PAINTED. DON'T YOU WANT SOME?" That's what this show is doing. It's egging me in the face. And I don't like it.

[@OlJohnJoe]

maaaaaaaan... first of all, i gotta say, the part you said about alfred has had me at 5:45-6:04 has had me laughing for about 3 days straight. not just a little chuckle, no, full blown laughter! what you said about alfred (and most of the characters were spot on). only thing i didnt agree with is the statement about "bruce not deciding to become batman until his 20's". hes a master at 120 different fighting styles, peak physical, and mental shape so he had to start young. but man i love this review lol!

[@Zorro3k6]

I agree that the easter eggs could be more subtle, but I really didn't mind how they showed them. I actually really enjoy the series. I love the chemistry between Harvey and Jim. Great cop duo. I'll admit that when I first hear of Gotham being produced, I was unsure about it. I mean a Batman show without Batman? Come on. And while it would be cool to save the Wayne's death for like the season finale, I didn't mind that it happened in the first episode. Honestly, I loved the first episode and I like the series. I feel like this show, along with really any show can't be judged too heavily based on only two episodes. Most shows don't have that perfect start. It actually takes a few episodes to really get going and find their footing. Look at Agents of Shield. The first few episodes were OK. But eventually the episodes started getting better and the show went up for me. I have a feeling Gotham will be the same way. Let a few more episodes air and see what they do with these characters. Who knows, they might just surprise you. :)

[@colesamoth4353]

I remember laughing my ass off after seeing/hearing so many people get pissed at the fact Batman wasn't going to be in it. Seriously, wow. The show-runners have said it several times: "this is not a Batman show". I mean, the whole concept revolves around the characters and how they strive in a hellish city like Gotham. Really, did this HAVE to be a Batman show? Was that the justification for why some people were so upset? Damn.

[@masterDarts4188]

Zorro3k6 He makes a good point about he Wayne's. But the show didn't just ignore them. In fact a good portion of the first two episodes involves the death of the Wayne's and why it happened. The next episode will also be dedicated to finding out who murdered them. The show seems to be layered, and it unveiling it one episode at a time. So it isn't like John won't get what he wanted, most likely a majority of this season will be showing the impact the Wayne's and Falcones had on Gotham but just in a different way then most people expected. Which i'm honestly okay with, because when you know what's going to happen you can't really be that invested in it.

[@Zorro3k6]

Hannibal Rasberry I completely agree with you. I like how it was handled. And who knows, perhaps we'll get flash backs with the Waynes. It would be cool to see them being one of the pillars. I was just surprised it happened in the first episode. As such we really didn't get to know them as characters. Which I'm fine with seeing as how Jim is the main character. So yeah, I can't wait to see what they do next. I've been a fan of the show since the first episode.

[@masterDarts4188]

Zorro3k6 Honestly I hope it does work out. There isn't a lot of good TV anymore. And I wouldn't mind this working out. When I first heard about it, I thought ti would be stupid, but i've been surprised so far. I'd like to keep being surprised.

[@Zorro3k6]

Hannibal Rasberry I hope so too. Fox needs another good show. Except that's the problem I saw. As I said earlier, I was on the fence about this show given the time period. But after a while I got over it and decided I will check out the pilot episode when it airs. Then another thought crossed my mind. It's airing on Fox. That means if it's any good, Fox will most likely cancel it after like 5 episodes, haha. I really hope not, but it seems like every good show they have, they cancel. Until Gotham aired, I hadn't watched anything on Fox in years.

[@kacem1784]

Best show in the batman universe

[@IN10SEGAMING]

A Gotham TV Show without Batman is like a sandwich with just 2 slices of bread

[@ZontarDow]

You mean like Gotham Central?

[@TheFelixStrangeShow]

Um not really but cute phrase

[@runner9528]

Your favorite part of a sandwich is the bread?

[@CodysHOG]

the what does that make agents of shield?

[@lesbians663]

Fanboy.

[@TrayOne618]

You nailed it Jeremy. Take away the DC elements and you're left with a below average cop drama. I've been trying to tell people that all week but according to them it's an amazing show. Surprise the people saying that are long time Batman fans

[@ccandmore]

Agreed. The pilot was very underwhelming, and especially when I'm a HUGE Bats fan, this show was a golden chance for them to truly explore more of pre-Batman Gotham's mythology and they blew it.

[@johnnyboy513]

Soh Chang Ci Well they didn't blew "yet" let's give this season a chance to redeem itself before calling off the show when its still young. There are many redeeming qualities in Gotham they just need to fix up the messes surrounding it.

[@crv4352]

But it is a DC show! SO FUCKIN DEAL WITH IT :D

[@ccandmore]

Johnny Boy yeah I supposed so. I guess I got overly subjective haha. They Harvey - Gordon dynamic was well done, and Cobblepot is the diamond in the rough. Hopefully, they'd clean up the rest of the season, though I still maintain that so far it's been underwhelming.

[@seamuslikesmovies8748]

JeremyJahns, you do the best sound effects, the rocks in the godzilla trailer review were hilarious. XD

[@elizabeth7sj222]

Yeah the first season was rough but eventually Penguin got me to stay

[@STLCards618]

I agree that they shouldn't have been so quick to kill off the Waynes. Could have made the show much more interesting, cuz I think a show based solely on Jim Gordon's origin is gonna run outta steam pretty quick. I will say this, Arrow did not have such a great start either but it got much better so just keep watching.

[@marcosdheleno]

the problem is the tie ins, for example it being a cop show, most of the crimes will be somehow investigated by them so you will probably see zazz(oh however you write his name) and black mask, but the problem is, if the police can arrest them, why would they need batman?

[@mrkings2535]

Marcos Danilo they get stronger over the years LIKE PENGUIN

[@marcosdheleno]

TheHammerGamerG that works on theory... but on a movie or series, not so much,.. understand im not bashing the series or saying its impossible to make or anything... just that im really skeptical on how it will be... its the first episode and bruce wayne is already training to became batman, Nigma is already half psycho(he seems to lose it when Gordon answer a riddle thats old and dumb) so all im saying is, they got this whole universe can they pace themselves?

[@masterDarts4188]

Matthew Skinner Keep in mind a good part of the past two episodes have been investigating the Wayne's death. So it's not like the show is just going to ignore them. It seems like season one will be the fall of Gotham because of the Wayne's murder. And it's not like the CW they don't get 24 episodes. So they have to pace the story telling a lot differently. When Jim Gordom came into Gotham in the comics the city had already gone to shit. So it's possible they want to show us that with him trying to fight it as best he can this time.

[@masterDarts4188]

Marcos Danilo Because they break out. That's the whole flaw of the system. The bad guys learn how to work it. And they are able to get away with a lot of things. And guys like Zazz go to arkham where they always escape. People like Black Mask are never really caught, because they're too high up in the ladder. Just like Falcone, they have cops working for them as well.

[@Matt7895]

The pilot was ok but I have no interest in watching the rest. As you said, they just have too many big Batman villains running around, putting their faces in shot just cuz. I would have been ok with Cobblepot, because by the time Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, Cobblepot is supposed to be an middle-to-old aged man. But I'm not ok with Catwoman, Riddler, Joker etc. This could have been a great series showing how Gotham City went to shit. It should have had the Waynes for at least the first season, maybe second and third. It should have shown them built up their fortune, try to make the city better, but then have the Depression hit and a complex series of events which eventually leads to their deaths. Amongst this you can have growing corruption in the police force, and perhaps a struggle between the good elements of the city vs the Mafia, and the Mafia eventually win out. It would have been the ultimate tragedy. The Waynes die at the end of season 3, season 4 picks up 8 years later with Wayne leaving Gotham to train with the League of Shadows. Season 4 shows Wayne off training in Tibet while the real supervillains take over Gotham and the Mafia start to lose power. Seasons 5-8 are Batman. That would have made a great TV series, instead we get this with DC characters gurning into every other frame.

[@ridethewindd44]

In my opinion, although DC is doing pretty well with their TV series, Gotham is like the 2003 Hulk film of Marvels movies to DC.

[@joshlannan3126]

I AGREE ! I know exactly what your talking about

[@soup2634]

Ouch! I haven't watched it yet. Hopefully it won't be all that bad.

[@kashsmith6181]

It's only had two episodes. At least let have one season before judging it as a whole.

[@ridethewindd44]

Fair Enough. It may reach Amazing Spider-Man 2. Loads of Easter eggs and nods to the material...Just not all to interesting on it's own right. Jesting aside, I do hope it gets better =(

[@ChadtheDJguy]

The 2003 Hulk film is actually a fantastic film. It's hated on for not being the superhero action movie everyone thought they were getting, but it's sooo good.

[@TunezCottage]

I agree with you to 100%! Easter eggs are supposed to be super subtle like Fish's lover Lazlo being Professor Pyg, that is super subtle!

[@WolverBean]

Totally should have watched the rest of it. I was skeptical after this review but it's really good and I think Jeremy misjudged this one.

[@Tomzo711]

I cut my wrist! LOOK AT THE BLOOD!!!! PSHHHHHHH

[@TrippieMike21]

Haha that part was great

[@bromodragone8405]

charon7111 Ha... ha... ha.

[@HeatForce]

I heard the pilot episodes for both flash and Constantine were leaked online awhile back. Were they good?

[@Kami-lt3hc]

The story for the Flash seems interesting and the special effects were okay but don't expect Emmy award winning acting. I personally found the dude playing Flash unconvincing and the supporting cast was not that good either. All in all it looks like it is going to be a good show.

[@TheMrpurcell]

Kami Nkurunziza haha all that criticism and your final sentence being it looks like it is going to be a good show

[@techead23]

you can always check them out at watchseries and see for yourself

[@mijanhoque1740]

The flash and constantine pilots were fucking awesome, give them both a 8.8. Both of the shows unlike arrow are staying faithful to the comics which is really cool.

[@bloodysteel6429]

Kami Nkurunziza Give it a little time, sometimes actors need that to just get comfortable in their roles... of course maybe that won't help... I don't know...

[@Cenoura]

Gotham could be better, the writting its not that good. But Cobblepot/Penguin? He is terrific in the show, great casting and i'm really enjoying his caracter on the show, the actor kind of reminds me of tobey mcguire from spiderman!

[@c.k.awesome]

I'm a fan. But he's litterally ranting about the characters not being Flushed out. DUDE! LIKE YOU SAID! FIRST 2 EPISODES! THATS HOW TELEVISION SHOWS WORK. IF THEY WERE TRYING TO JAM A BUNCH OF INFORMATION IN YOUR HEAD FOR ONE EPISODE, IT WOULD BE A MOVIE!

[@WildRover92]

I think people are being too harsh on the show with only two eps in. People are expecting Emmy performers instead of just enjoying the show. Yes some areas need improvements but doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. Im certain the season will get better as it'll go on

[@Chlo255]

This show is really good, especially season 2. Riddler is my favorite

[@grant0306]

ok it been half a season now and i just wana say i watch a lot of tv shows and this is one of those that i cant wait for the next episode. In the begging the first 4-5 episode werent great but it has become better with each new episode. From my crapy OC memories i thought i would hate Jim Gordon but he plays the role perfectly. the show itself depicts perfectly the dark city of Gotham with the coruption and the crime. And for those of ou complaining that there is no Batman that is a fact that was anounced evan before the show began production.

[@darkclaw3296]

As much as I really like the show, I completely agree with everything you said Jeremy. Shit, from the ideas you were throwing out, I'd want to see THAT show. :)

[@ricemenarq6230]

To be honest when I saw the comedian the first thing I thought of was that guy looked like the guy who plays Flash in the other series lol!! Hope it isn't the Joker though. The one thing that made Joker great is they always used a "Less is More" approach to the character by not directly addressing his origin story in the latter versions.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Damn. It hadn't even occurred to me that they could have kept the Waynes around, because he's right that would have made for some awesome world building that's never really been done with a Batman property. I thought the second episode was an improvement because it slowed down a bit, it was more measured and it felt like it actually had a story: there was a case and the case was basically solved. Yes the people behind the crime weren't caught but the immediate issue found a conclusion. That's way more than the all set up no pay off thing we got in the pilot.

[@Foodie-MS-08th]

I like this show, this is the best portrayal of Gotham, I love Bullock yet I wished he had his New York accent, I like the actress who plays Selena Kyle, and the cinematography is great. The characters do seem more cartoony but in my opinion it makes them more interesting. I like Arrow more but the cinematography is shit and the characters are too serious most of the time.

[@michaelbest777]

Just finished season 1 this morning, .. this is the worst review ever,.. it's more of his single minded opinion because I didn't feel any of the disappointment he felt., and this is coming from a guy that waited 2 years to watch season1 cos I thought the show was crap

[@PabloEscobar-vq6kn]

He was right about the first few episodes though. It was like the show didn't know what it wanted to do at first but it has gotten a lot better. It's still cheesy as hell though.

[@PabloEscobar-vq6kn]

He was right about the first few episodes though. It was like the show didn't know what it wanted to do at first but it has gotten a lot better. It's still cheesy as hell though.

[@galenmarek7107]

He literally said in the first five seconds that he doesn't considered a review.

[@BanesBasement]

This is a series premiere review, not a Season 1 review.

[@Cassandra6]

I liked the first episode and I am not very familiar with the DC universe and its characters so I missed a lot of easter eggs

[@malakiramerz7133]

i seem to find you everywhere lol

[@Cassandra6]

Malaki Ramerz sorry lol

[@malakiramerz7133]

ah its cool next thing you know i might find you commenting on a Supernatural video lol

[@Cassandra6]

Malaki Ramerz Maybe a few years ago you would have but I don't watch Spn anymore :P

[@malakiramerz7133]

aww really how come?

[@DeadpoolAndFriends]

I was bothered by all the same stuff that bothered Jeremy, but probably not as bad. Except the Poison Ivy stuff. That pissed me off. But in general, the first few episodes of most shows are "clunky" for lack of a better term. If i like the subject matter, i usually give most shows till the mid season to hook me. First episode of Arrow wasn't stellar, but the show turned out to be my favorite on TV right now. Gotham is good enough to give it a few more months. Love the Gordon/Bullock stuff.

[@robertwelliver3717]

I just had to say that I absolutely *LOVE* when you grab the mic to make a point lol. I fuckin' love that shit XD

[@CmdrSloanne]

I agree, it would be fun to see Bruce's parents along with Gordon & yeah if they wanted have them kill in the finale or in season 2. but still ain't watching this. since I already know from the comics Bruce Wayne/Batman has never found out who murdered his parents. that's one of the reasons his crime fighting to discovered his parents murderer. & what's with Selena that girl looks way older than Bruce,for a teenager she looks like in her 20's.

[@TheMrpurcell]

Idk. I hate delaying the inevitable. It's like I know they're gonna die so I'm not even gonna bother paying attention to them

[@kendallh.8612]

Her 20's? She is really 15. She doesn't even close to her twenties. She just has makeup on and doesn't look super awkward like most 15 yr old girls.

[@gadguard]

CmdrSloanne I'm pretty sure Batman confronts Joe a few times in the comics. It depends on the story though. It's a toss up, but I remember Batman confronting Joe Chill in the alley where he killed his parents. I also remember him not even killing his parents. Comic books. They are always changing.

[@kendallh.8612]

***** Batman Mask of the Phantasm?

[@drew2056]

Kendall H. That's what I thought he was talking about, but the Phantasm doesn't have a red outfit, it is grey and black. And from what I remember Bruce doesn't find out who murdered his parents in that movie, it is mostly about him and Andrea, and how he became Batman.

[@abhikoolblue]

Riddler scenes are not easter eggs. Riddler is IN the show. Easter eggs are things which aren't gonna be in the show.

[@isillor529]

or will be in the show. or were in the show.

[@1980Triumph]

EXACTLY, the same is for all the characters so far, you are supposed to know who they are. Jeremy misses the point completely.

[@joshalbrecht2400]

1980Triumph No, he doesn't. If you implement characters into a series it should be gradual or quick depending if they are the main characters. What you don't do is just shove all the characters, that may or may not see later, into one episode. As Jeremy said, it makes it look like your saying. "Hey guys, remember these characters.... yeah, we all have them in our series, so don't stop watching!" The pilot should set the tone for the series, not a place were you show of all your comming lore.

[@joshalbrecht2400]

Joshua Albrecht may or may not be seen*

[@1980Triumph]

Joshua Albrecht Batman has a lot of rogues and there is a lot to explore, having Riddler slowly descend is a good thing, they are showing you how he was before. The only character I think they are shoving is Catwoman, she seems kind of purposeless to me, all the other fit in nice.

[@goterfortress1]

Just by watching this review, I'm pretty sure they will repeat the same mistakes that happened in Smallville... that means I have no interest whatsoever in watching the show :/

[@inroom108]

You shouldn't base your decision on someone else's opinion of the show, you should give it a chance and then decide. I personally liked the first episode and loved the second one so its really to each its own

[@XtremeDrake]

At least smallville has some superman actions. Imagine smallville happens when Clark Kent is still a kid and they focus on Johnathan Kent. That's what I feel this Gotham show is like. I've got no interest in it either.

[@goterfortress1]

inroom108 I might give it a shot, but I've never liked unnecessary prequels just to make some profit anyway... I mean, we all know how the show is gonna end, so what's the point? Either way, I'll watch it just for the hell of it.

[@nightmareX1993]

I doubt it. Smallville was boring to watch because it was nothing but BS teen drama for the first 7 seasons, with a little bit of superhero action sprinkled in, and then the three remaining seasons were cartoonishly written and had little substance. With this, at least you get some cop drama action instead of the cheap stuff. I do hope that this show doesn't go on for ten years and the last shot is CGI Batman whose face is only seen in green-screen closeups.

[@johnnyboy513]

Prog Goter Yeah sometimes when comes to certain prequels its interesting to see HOW a certain plot point, origin or overall story started before it escalated in the present. But always perter sequels when comes to a certain genres of entertainment.

[@XeroFailGames]

GODDAMN i love when jeremy does his scene impressions...that multiple migs just had me cracking up...and that gandalf fly you fools back in the day...killer and funny as shit

[@TheMrKlump]

About that "joker easter egg" I think fox said that they will have one "potential joker" like him in every episode of the season and tease. I have only seen the first episode though so I don't know if they had one in the second episode.

[@MysteryHipster]

What bothers me is how it desperately panders to the mainstream by simply throwing in pointless cameo after pointless cameo and especially with the way they treat poison ivy, half the time it's wrong with the timeline or all together

[@happyorks1]

***** when they do do it though, it doesn't compromise the narrative. constantly reminding the viewer its Batman references compromises the narrative because Batman hasn't happened yet

[@masterDarts4188]

***** It would be pointless if the characters never showed up again. But they are clearly having them tie into the larger story line. So it's not pandering if there's an actual build up to the premise of the story.

[@jordanbirkin9196]

if you watched the rest you think very differently about the series

[@geno5299]

Fox just needs to give this project to CW.

[@Demetri124]

I feel like the show has potential to be great if they work out their tonal issues and utilize the Bat-universe in interesting ways and tell creative stories with it. We already lost the opportunity to prominently feature the Waynes, but there's still other places they can go in this timeframe. Why not have Tommy Elliot (Hush) show up as Bruce's childhood friend like in the comics, or introduce this period's Red Hood since the mantle has been passed down for decades. There's also a storyline from Long Halloween that has Thomas Wayne operating on Carmine Falcone to save his life and Carmine promising young Bruce he'll repay the debt by giving him anything he should ask for. Since Falcone and Bruce are such big roles in the show this dynamic would be great to play out between them. Also the show's called GOTHAM not Gordon, so what I think they should do (and it seems like they already are) is having a bunch of different story lines unfold at once from many different perspectives. They could balance out story of the police with the story of the Mob and the corrupt cops in between, if done right it could be like The Wire set in Gotham City, and that idea sounds awesome to me

[@blackoutkiller]

Just coming out from watching Joker and your take on the movie, I really hope you go back and do a full season review for Gotham. Season 1 for me was slow (I think I heard that too) but it picks up after I think, and there has been some very intriguing characters in the show, I think it would just be fun to watch a review on all the DC characters you have to talk about ha. Thanks! Also, I watched the animated series but I think the Arkham games educated me better!

[@gamingsfinest1]

This guy should stop making movie reviews and start making movies. He's brilliant! Everything he said would have made the show better. He should be like a movie consultant giving people advice on how to make a movie/show better.

[@TheKlawwGang888]

review Buffy and Angel

[@adamaffronti9756]

Jerome in Gotham is amazing

[@matttheus6144]

You always hit the nail on the head dude, for the most part I largely agree with you about this show. Episode 3 came out yesterday and it still managed to suck me in and I thought that it is becoming quite enjoyable, especially the acting. I still think that they're being a little too obvious with their Easter eggs and foreshadowing, but I enjoy it and anticipate each week's new episode. Plus, I figure that by the time this show is over game of thrones season 5 should be right around the corner ;)

[@Wiiranger87]

I totally agree with the season finale should be about (or include) the murder of the Waynes. When I first heard about the Gotham TV show and thinking about it could work, i always thought that each season finale should have a pivotal moment in Bruce's life ie season 1 his parents' death, season 2 some childhood moment, season 3 (skipping years just to make an example) his disappearance, season 4 his training, etc. etc. I really hope Gotham goes well and get better as time goes on. I miss the pilot episodes but ill try to watch and see how it all plays out.

[@EliseoDimas]

Jeremy! please do the season review, the series did fixed a lot of the issues that it first had.

[@jessebrown1996]

Well the first season was a bit off, Season 2 and 3 blew it out of the park, it's frigging amazing.

[@MegaAnifreak]

I hope if the show last long enough to have a time skip and have bruce training then another time skip then have Batman on the show

[@johnnylove2158]

I think Arrow has it right. Showing his origin while progressing his story as "The Arrow". I really like how it jumps back and fourth. I would love to see Batman get the in-depth origin he deserves.

[@XtremeDrake]

MegaAnifreak I doubt that mate. The producers already mentioned the whole series won't have Batman

[@XtremeDrake]

Johnny Love Agree with you there!

[@RatedRY]

XtremeDrake Than this show is going to bomb....... what a shame.

[@Royta15]

That Killing Joke cameo really grabbed me, hope they never follow up on it but man that was a nice cameo. If it was one.

[@MarcPostReviews]

Hey Jeremy, if the season is over, you're going to do a review of it? I think they have really stepped up their game since the first episodes and I wonder what your thoughts on it are

[@Matyboi]

I am waiting for a good DC Comics show. I hope that Constantine and Flash will be good.

[@armandotorres8962]

there are a lot of dc shows that are awesome

[@dignerds]

There's been a good track record...Arrow-good.....Gotham-very good.....Flash ...good....

[@1001chillout]

John dignerds whoa whoa whoa whoa. I think you mean Arrow-very good......Gotham-possible potential but not great..........Flash-potential Arrow is established Gotham feels like they are not sure where they are going Flash is trying to establish itself too fast. Now that the first episode is over it will probably get better, but that first one crammed the Flash down my throat.

[@armandotorres8962]

1001chillout yeah,arrow is a very good show,a great show

[@dignerds]

1001chillout Nope...I meant what I said.....Gotham seems to know exactly where its going, you can tell because its bold,and doesn't mind taking risks by having over the top flavorful characters..Gordon is show with a direct contrast...especially with Bullock...and the Penguin and Kat are written well...the characters are true to form with their early personalities ..Gotham has a strong start...its good but shows even more potential. How was flash crammed down your throat ??? he wasn't even in full swing until a HALF HOUR into the show. This current generation of fans are so used to this slow roll with comic live action....with "easter eggs" ..."muted" characters......watered down heroes.....and pussy footing slowly around comics..blah blah....that when they get to the point and have some fun and just do the character,it gets interpreted as "crammed"...bull...this slow ass "realistic" kick is getting old and stale fast....and I'm glad they are taking a bold direction with these new shows :)

[@omar47hitman]

Almost every problem you have said in this review , is now solved in "season 3"

[@jesabr12]

They could always do flash backs.

[@YipYapYoup]

Yeah but what's the point of setting the show before Bruce became Batman if you still need flashbacks to show his parents?

[@TheSMLIFfilms]

The point of the show is supposed to be showing how Gotham spirals out of control after the Wayne's died, it would basically just be a boring cop show before then.

[@jesabr12]

Exactly, I don't see how showing Batmans parents will make the show more intresting. They will be like most ordinary loving parents.

[@zacharysylvester8349]

lol flash backs, get it

[@iveesoto370]

I totally agree with you Jeremy, that the Wayne Parents should have been in the whole season and not killed off in the first episode. Gotham is suppose to be about how all the Batman Characters became to be, so not really going into his parents behavior or what Bruce parents were as a person is a lil weird and that you were also right about that it should be a guessing game with the audience about what character is which (i.e Cat women, Joker, Riddler, etc) I still like the season so far, hope they don't jump into the modern batman just yet, and let us see one episode at a time, how each character became to be.

[@D21BeastReviews]

Well put, Jeremy! Bravo! Let's hope the producers watch you review!

[@Js01civic]

I can't watch Fox shows anymore, if they make it to season 2 i'll check it out.

[@johndesper9425]

Fox just sucks.

[@brycelloyd3592]

People that say/do that are the reason those particular shows don't get a second season.

[@DELTABOY04]

sleep hollow is their saving grace imo...

[@BatmanHQYT]

Jeremy, the show you HAVE to watch is Person of Interest.

[@Alkiviadisman]

Review Arrow S2!!!!

[@FreelancerLA]

Really interesting points. I'm digging the "Waynes-as-supporting-characters-who-get-killed-in-the-finale" concept.

[@vaderprime923]

I'm really relieved to see that it isn't like Nolan's Gotham City, as good as that was, it's refreshing to see another take on it, and I'm always game to spend some time with these characters

[@chunkylogart4379]

i dont care the show is awesome.

[@notforvideos]

This sounds God awful, I'll give it a try, after 2-3 episodes I usually make my mind up about shows anyway. Korra sucked during that time, never watched that, hopefully this improves by the sounds of it.

[@stillsuperfly1]

If you could manage to stomach your way through books 1 and 2 of korra and start book three you'd love it, though i do admit i took a bit to long to really get going, but book three is nice

[@kashsmith6181]

You can't judge any series by just the first few episodes.

[@notforvideos]

kash smith If I find it impenetrable I'm not going to 'push through the pain'.

[@kashsmith6181]

notforvideos There have been plenty of good shows with rocky starts.

[@pokeygorilla9368]

I didn't think Korra had a rocky start, the first book was pretty good but ending was a little anticlimactic, Book 2 definitely lost its way for the early to middle part of the season but finished strong. And book 3, well that was incredible, as good as anything Avatar the Last Airbender had ever made.

[@adolfogarcia365]

I was waiting for this review because this would let me know if I should watch the show or not, but seeing as the review was mostly negative I think I'll pass.

[@inroom108]

But it's only his opinion you should check it out then make your own decision on watching the show. I for one really like this show

[@JTopolegend]

inroom108 i like the show to it has potential i'm interested so far potential to be good also do u know how many episodes the first season of Gotham will have

[@rochat]

He didn't say it was bad, just that it has potential and needs some work. It's just two episodes in. Just watch it and form your own opinion.

[@brycelloyd3592]

It wasn't 'mostly negative.' It's called constructive criticism.

[@HoustonSoto]

Good to know you lack the ability to form an opinion from sitting down and performing the arduous task of watching a 40 min TV show.

[@mypalalex]

I like your easter egg ideas better than what's been done in the show. The characters indeed should be characters we want to like, not only because they're batman characters. I've been watching every though, and overall I like what I see. Great review!

[@helloimdillon]

@CmdrSloanne also the actor who plays Selena is 16, and was playing a 14year old Selena, when she was 15

[@caracasmihai01]

The way u described it it seems like its one of the worst shows ever. I think i will skip it when it will air here in Italy.

[@johnnyboy513]

No not really he just describe that the story needed some work but overall its starting out as okay show just need more improvement progressing future episodes. In way he giving the show some more constructive criticism because he sees the show has some improvement. I for one really enjoyed the show but you at least should check it out.

[@caracasmihai01]

Johnny Boy Ofc I will...as much as I rely on his reviews and thoughts I always watch movies or series by myself cause I can have different opinion. :)

[@tylermontigny123]

Gotham has no flaw

[@pimpintel1]

One word. Arrow.

[@soulnova]

There IS another easter egg. At one point on the second episode, there's a panning scene over the city and you can see a green big "Q" logo on a building. "Queen Consolidated" perhaps?

[@jeffprime]

I had the same thought during the premiere episode. I quit counting after I spotted four villains in the first half hour. Fairly major villains, at that. It left me wondering what they plan on doing for the SECOND episode. I had the sense that someone's career placed a LOT of chips on this production, and they wanted to make sure that the premiere COULD NOT FAIL. That being said, I think overall the show has had more ups than downs so far. Jim Gordon completely rocks, and just about saves the show from its weaknesses. I like how they're setting Penguin up to make his move to become a major player in the Gotham underworld. I do fear though that we're going to be clubbed over the head with Selina/Cat for the entire first season. That's going to become really annoying really quick. I also feel that the pace of the show overall feels too rushed. Like they're afraid of being cancelled before they get to show you all of the COOL STUFF they have waiting in the wings. But then again, this is the same network that cancelled Firefly, so that might be a legit fear. I'm waiting to see how the next few weeks pan out. Either they find their voice by Christmas, or it'll just fizzle out slowly after that. Time will tell.