GOTHIC Iceberg #2

Next stop: The citadel. Today we will have some more interesting stuff to talk about. Sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Once more I want to thank all the guys of gothicarchive.org, Delvin, Saradoc and my mom for cooking some nice soup today, without her, the Upload would have been delayed by two solid hours.
Original Thread on Reddit:
/ the_gothic_iceberg

[@vertigo7082]

So it seems I wasn't thorough enough with a few entries. I make sure to include them in part 3!

[@crygreg8484]

Very nice work. Just one note on the hero's crime: They also had some cut dialogue where you could talk to Diego and tell him what crime you committed. I don't have it clear in my mind but it's in the Definitive Edition, I think it went like this: 1. Armed Robbery (grants you +3 Dexterity) 2. Fight with a king's guard - hero tells Diego he was "challenged" and he never could pass up on a challenge but unfortunately the king has "many guards" (grants you +3 strength) 3. Wrong words to the wrong man - I think the idea was that the hero criticized the king's politics in a tavern and got arrested because of it (+3 Mana) 4. Innocent (+1 to all attributes). Also, about Abuyin's message: I think PB had long planned for Rhobar to lose the war - mostly. Also "returning" is refering to Myrtana, it sort of hints at the fact that the hero probably originates from there or that he was there at some point. Even the credits theme with the ship sailing into the sunset is called "Returning Home". I wouldn't necessarily call it a retcon, "evil" still won - maybe it was what Abuyin perceived as "evil", just like many others, which is the orcs and the hashishins.

[@vertigo7082]

Oh yeah it was in the definitive edition maybe even in "Welt der Verurteilten". I thought about including this but I couldn't find information on it being cut content.

[@crygreg8484]

@@vertigo7082 I'll see if I can dig it up in the scripts, could also be that it was dug up from a previous pre-release version of Gothic. Also, Dexter has more dialogue without NOTR than that (telling you that he was hired by a seeker basically). I think you gain that if you gain actual access with the bridge guard.

[@vertigo7082]

@@crygreg8484 Oh boy for real? Gonna check that out!

[@crygreg8484]

@@vertigo7082 Yep. One of those things I actually miss from Classic. Whole exchange makes the twist in chapter 3 a lot cooler.

[@combatspecialist]

5:04 the entry might've referred to the hidden note left by Saturas in the old new camp that teases NoTR.

[@vertigo7082]

Ahh man you might be right. I didn't think of it as "hidden enough" for this iceberg...Maybe I am going to mention that in the next part. Thanks for the information!

[@YoungArty]

The Dragon Lords reference got me laughing haha! Nice video as usual, looking forward to the next layers!

[@vertigo7082]

A small german tradition! Culture must be respected!

[@YoungArty]

@@vertigo7082i had a feeling you are german, but you simply have no german accent, so that confused me :D

[@vertigo7082]

@@YoungArty Ahh you can hear it when you pay attention!

[@manfredgeorgburggraf533]

Meddl loide.

[@vertigo7082]

@@manfredgeorgburggraf533 Metall, Genossen!

[@Albertgraure]

I remember in Dexter;s dialogue without NotR, that he gives you a chance to run, and he was paid by the seekers to hunt the hero.

[@vertigo7082]

True I completely forgot about this. I will make sure it's in the next video. Thanks mate!

[@coccoavena]

He gives you a chance only if you know his name from the bandit near Brago's cave (corrupting him with some gold). If you don't know Dexter name, the guard on the bridge at entrance bandit camp will attack you, and if you try to talk with dexter without knowing his name from bandit near brago's cave, he'll says the dialogue vertigo show in this video. By a completely obsessed with gothic saga

[@unimportantcommenter4356]

The Nameless Hero's crime could also refer to an earlier draft of the game, where Diego would ask the player about the crime he commited. Then the choice would influence the starting stat of the player. Here are the 4 options and their effects: - Plead Innocent (+3 Str, +3 Dex, +3 or so mana) - Brawl with the royal guard (+5str) - Spewing anti-king rhetoric on the public square (+5 Mana) - Theft (+5 Dex) Also, the Car in Jarkendar was a leftover from Pyranha Byte's scrapped Sci-Fi first person shooter, left in the game either out of negligence, a reference or an easter egg. In fact, that Valley was used as a tesbed for said game, hence it's linear nature.

[@user-ve9mn8jb1h]

Regarding 8:01 - I remember King Rhobar, in G3, saying that NH was sent there just as a test for him to pass and show that he is truly the Chosen One; so that would actually make him not guilty of any crime.

[@wiktorb6846]

I never clicketh on an internet video so swiftly!

[@vertigo7082]

Did you drink a speed potion?

[@d9lv1n]

Xardas's tower was never an issue in G1, in fact it was supposed to be initially located on the hill similarly to the fort ruins (Ur-Shak), so there weren't intentions to hide it, but it would make sense to hide the tower in G2, because Xardas didn't want the mages to know where he is. So it would make sense to put him in some cool cave instead, or even his tower could be located in some cave or something like this, which would make it even more atmospheric and logical.

[@robinv.3632]

About the elements of the dragons: If you want to project the classical 4 elements onto the dragons it makes more sense to give the air element to the ice dragon (cold wind) and let the swamp dragon be the water dragon. I could also imagine that the devs wanted to make up their own elements since the classical 4 elements are overdone. Since we see 2 fire dragons and a bunch of dragon eggs there might also be different breeds of dragons and the swamp dragon could simply be a crossbreed of an earth and a water dragon. And I don´t think Abuyins vision get retconned. Rhobar lost the war against the orcs. Every city in myrtana is controlled by the orcs and everyone loyal to the king is in hiding. The war is basically over and only the nameless hero can make a change since he hasn´t found peace.

[@yernow8216]

"Fire mages can see Xardases tower" was refering to Gothic 2 where you can literally see xardases tower from the monastery

[@vertigo7082]

True. Basically Xardas' fondness of big pimped up towers is not the most effective way to stay under the radar. The mans gotta work on his modesty.

[@yernow8216]

@@vertigo7082 definitely, since from almost anywhere on Khorinis you could use Xardases towers as an orientation point

[@vertigo7082]

@@yernow8216 It's like the huge ass tree in elden ring or the citadel of half-life 2

[@CyrusReznik]

Maaannn!!! Here we are 20 years later and I didn't know the Valentino's ring story :)))))

[@vertigo7082]

Sorry that I spoiled it for you mate!

[@CyrusReznik]

​@@vertigo7082At this time it's just: Bring it on!! More secrets are good!

[@SBBBurney]

More of these, please! Great work!

[@CapitanBreakfast]

Really good and interesting video, keep up the good work!

[@SkinnyGaming81]

Another great vid! Big hug, bro.

[@SzavaHunorLevente]

This is getting better and better! It’s really amazing that after so many years I still find out new things about Gothic from vids like this! 🤘

[@ElKyox]

excellent content, thank u for doing these videos

[@vertigo7082]

I'm glad you enjoy them!

[@krzysztofszczepanski8597]

Great content :D

[@vertigo7082]

Thank you so much!

[@aszhara2900]

Ah yes, Gothic 3, the game that let you scramble the whole timeline and allegiances by deliberately corrupting your save-file at the start of the game.

[@AmitabhaAsukin]

Nice vid, I'm waiting for the next part, thank you for a good job. Danke schön und hallo aus Russland :3

[@vertigo7082]

Большое спасибо! Я рад, что тебе понравилось!

[@sliverz_fx]

These are the things I have learned most about over the years, by just exploring if i exclude gothic 3, but I gotta say that there's things that i will not understand any time soon. Like the hermit easter egg. If we put his words into practice, then Gothic would be spelled Oohhcc.. I don't get that xD

[@vertigo7082]

Yeah they didn't think the other way around. BTW man, I have some difficulties with the coming entries....I might call upon you help for that :)

[@sliverz_fx]

@@vertigo7082 I'll see what I can do to help :)

[@humblehornet621]

Fantastic!

[@Netrofikator]

Exotic funfact for better reach - in the polish dub, when asked for directions, the guard of the bridge that leads to the Old Camp replies that the Old Camp is UNDER the bridge. We are still debating whether this is just a translation error, making him look like a drunk, or some joke-allusion to the fact that you can literally see the camp from the bridge and asking for directions is stupid xd

[@vertigo7082]

He actually says it in the german version too. He is just a joker

[@Netrofikator]

@@vertigo7082 Oh, that explains a lot! His Polish VA was kinda serious and this sparked these debates xD

[@jebise1126]

technical limitation... lack of manpower... so on and so forth - g3 having desert instead of swamp

[@bearpupy2909]

I never clicked on a like button so fast!

[@vertigo7082]

Adanos be with you!

[@bearpupy2909]

@@vertigo7082 bless your soul!

[@Lowca9]

At some point in the iceberg You have to say a few words about LARP Gothic ;p

[@vertigo7082]

It's sadly not on the iceberg but maybe I will do a video about it in the future.

[@egotripp7368]

Can't wait for Tier 3 and the Car in Jharkendar entry, which i'm sure is totally different than the Jharkendar Car one

[@vertigo7082]

Man I didn't create the chart, but yeah it's whack!

[@4F6D]

I think you got the dragon elements wrong. Ice is clearly air. Air is (mostly though) cold like when you use a fan, or when the wind blows in the summer. Swamps are mostly known for being wet and muddy -> water.

[@MegaLol2xd]

18:50 that's the topic for Gothic 3 remake xD

[@tikeyyX]

Again awesome video,i commented on this few hours back but somehow can't see my comment (maybe i deleted it unintentionally) Connection between Sleeper and Crawlers could be due to orcs sacrificing crawler for Sleeper soul to use it as vessel and then that vessel mutated into our beloved Archdemon 🤔 Thats my personal theory, i saw it somewhere and liked the idea ⭐

[@vertigo7082]

I love the theory that they are somehow connected but I've never heard about this one yet. Got a source for that maybe? Yeah the comments are sometimes weird, they disappear and I can't even see them in YT studio. Valve pls fix.

[@tikeyyX]

@@vertigo7082 I honestly dont remember where i found it but its not official information. Its just theory but its good one. Thanx for info, KZbin is sometimes very strange 😁☠️

[@93Beefcake]

Nett gemacht

[@HerrHoppenstedt]

11:36 You are divine! Etzala

[@swagromancer]

Iss mal ne Wurst, Bruder.

[@vertigo7082]

Mhh ohh ja danke!

[@Karti200]

Lets pretend that 'swamp" dragon is actually Water dragon and ice dragon is actually "Air dragon" - you know, air... cold... wind... lets just pretend xd

[@vertigo7082]

You are not the first one to propose this idea but ice is literally frozen water. I cannot get over this fact.

[@YoungArty]

I have never clicked on a notification so fast!

[@vertigo7082]

You guys are simply awesome!

[@Tarquinn]

42 and "What was the question" are referring the Hitchhiker's books, and not the movie as the movie hadn't been made yet.

[@vertigo7082]

What do you mean? A movie was made about that book in 2005 starring Martin Freeman. I even showed a short clip of it.

[@vertigo7082]

www.imdb.com/title/tt0371724/

[@Tarquinn]

@@vertigo7082 Yes, and when was Gothic made?

[@vertigo7082]

@@Tarquinn Sure, but I think that most people know the story because they have seen the movie. It was kinda big back in the day. Is it a reference to the books? sure, but in the end I thought it might be more relatable if I mention the movie.

[@vertigo7082]

Don't get me wrong, you are right but I chose the movie so I can deliver some visuals. Showing a book cover is simply not as interesting.

[@4F6D]

Ich hab den Drachenlord einspieler gesehen du Schlingel.

[@vertigo7082]

Es war nur eine kleine Hommage an einen großen Menschen!

[@4F6D]

Hab mal von einer Theorie gelesen dass Snaf ein Kannibale ist und deswegen Fleischwanzen isst, die immer in der Nähe von Skeletten rumkriechen.

[@vertigo7082]

Die Theorie stand unter dem Reddit thread ist aber in meinen Augen sehr weit hergeholt. Der Mann isst Insekten, welche Aas fressen.

[@4F6D]

@@vertigo7082 Weit hergeholt auf jeden fall, sonst wären wir in manchen Fällen ja auch Kannibalen.

[@vertigo7082]

@@4F6D stimmt genau.

[@jebise1126]

not true. what was the question was used by gaddafi in some interview